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[socialactionfoundationforequity:8900 Re: Strategy and facts to remember to fight DV cases

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On Nov 5, 8:38 am, lata <lata...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I filed the DVact,but the judge said that i cannt filed.Only daughter-
> in-law can file.So what should i do?
> On Nov 3, 8:31 pm, menvoice <menvoicechandig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.498a.org.in/rsrcs_strtgy_DV.html
>
> > Read DV ACT.  Click Here
>
> > The main attraction for girls is to claim the Right to Residence (RTR)
> > from Husband/Male partner. So make sure you do not own a house or flat
> > in your name. Even though wife/female partner can claim RTR only
> > against Husband/Male partner but nothing stops the wife/female partner
> > from filing a petition under DV act and come and sit inside the house.
>
> > Another important point is wife/female partner can claim maintenance
> > under the DV act. This is in addition to other maintenance ordered
> > under CrPC 125 or HMA section 24. So in case your wife is granted
> > maintenance under CrPC 125 or HMA section 24, then your lawyer has to
> > forcefully argue to the court that basic need of the wife is taken
> > care by other maintenance and hence there is no need of any additional
> > maintenance.
>
> > Please note DV act cannot be filed against a female but if you are a
> > victim of the DV act then make sure your mother files a DV case
> > against your father-in-law/brother-in-law.
>
> > Your wife/female partner can be provided with protection order from
> > local SHO. So you should be in good relation with your local SHO else
> > your wife/female partner can create enough trouble for you.
>
> > Please remember that from various judgments of the various high
> > courts, now it is very clear that DV act is retrospective. That means
> > even though DV act came into existence only in September 2006 but a
> > husband/male partner can be booked for incidents which had occurred
> > before DV act came into existence.
>
> > Please note DV act cannot be filed against a female but if you are a
> > victim of the DV act then make sure your mother files a DV case
> > against your father-in-law/brother-in-law.
>
> > Even though there is no mention of arrest in DV act but non-compliance
> > of order by magistrate can lead to issuance of non-bailable-warrant.
>
> > There was a case booked in Madya-Pradesh where even though divorce was
> > granted in 2003 but wife restored to DV act in 2007 and that
> > subsequently lead to non-bailable-warrant.
>
> > The basic difference between 498a and DV act is in 498a husband is
> > liable for punishment but wife does not get any financial relief but
> > in DV wife/female partner gets lots of relief but there is no
> > punishment/arrest (unless husband violate court order). Another
> > difference is 498a can be booked against husband or his relatives but
> > DV can be booked only against male members of a family.
>
> > Another point to remember is that as per supreme court judgment in
> > batra vs batra any relief to the wife cannot be granted to wife
> > against the property of mother-in law. So it may be wise to transfer
> > the immovable property to mother's name.
>
> > Please remember that under DV act Magistrate is having sweeping
> > powers. So make sure not to keep much cash in the known bank accounts.
>
> > There is a recent Chennai high court judgment where even though the
> > husband has transferred the property to the mothers name but high
> > court did not like this and they passed the RTR in favor of wife. So I
> > guess the safest way out is to sell the property and park the funds in
> > investments which wife cannot track down.
>
> > We are in the process of consolidating all the useful judgment related
> > to DV act and putting them on the website
>
> > General Guidelines for DV victims.  Click Here- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:8900 Re: Strategy and facts to remember to fight DV cases

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On Nov 5, 8:38 am, lata <lata...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I filed the DVact,but the judge said that i cannt filed.Only daughter-
> in-law can file.So what should i do?
> On Nov 3, 8:31 pm, menvoice <menvoicechandig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.498a.org.in/rsrcs_strtgy_DV.html
>
> > Read DV ACT.  Click Here
>
> > The main attraction for girls is to claim the Right to Residence (RTR)
> > from Husband/Male partner. So make sure you do not own a house or flat
> > in your name. Even though wife/female partner can claim RTR only
> > against Husband/Male partner but nothing stops the wife/female partner
> > from filing a petition under DV act and come and sit inside the house.
>
> > Another important point is wife/female partner can claim maintenance
> > under the DV act. This is in addition to other maintenance ordered
> > under CrPC 125 or HMA section 24. So in case your wife is granted
> > maintenance under CrPC 125 or HMA section 24, then your lawyer has to
> > forcefully argue to the court that basic need of the wife is taken
> > care by other maintenance and hence there is no need of any additional
> > maintenance.
>
> > Please note DV act cannot be filed against a female but if you are a
> > victim of the DV act then make sure your mother files a DV case
> > against your father-in-law/brother-in-law.
>
> > Your wife/female partner can be provided with protection order from
> > local SHO. So you should be in good relation with your local SHO else
> > your wife/female partner can create enough trouble for you.
>
> > Please remember that from various judgments of the various high
> > courts, now it is very clear that DV act is retrospective. That means
> > even though DV act came into existence only in September 2006 but a
> > husband/male partner can be booked for incidents which had occurred
> > before DV act came into existence.
>
> > Please note DV act cannot be filed against a female but if you are a
> > victim of the DV act then make sure your mother files a DV case
> > against your father-in-law/brother-in-law.
>
> > Even though there is no mention of arrest in DV act but non-compliance
> > of order by magistrate can lead to issuance of non-bailable-warrant.
>
> > There was a case booked in Madya-Pradesh where even though divorce was
> > granted in 2003 but wife restored to DV act in 2007 and that
> > subsequently lead to non-bailable-warrant.
>
> > The basic difference between 498a and DV act is in 498a husband is
> > liable for punishment but wife does not get any financial relief but
> > in DV wife/female partner gets lots of relief but there is no
> > punishment/arrest (unless husband violate court order). Another
> > difference is 498a can be booked against husband or his relatives but
> > DV can be booked only against male members of a family.
>
> > Another point to remember is that as per supreme court judgment in
> > batra vs batra any relief to the wife cannot be granted to wife
> > against the property of mother-in law. So it may be wise to transfer
> > the immovable property to mother's name.
>
> > Please remember that under DV act Magistrate is having sweeping
> > powers. So make sure not to keep much cash in the known bank accounts.
>
> > There is a recent Chennai high court judgment where even though the
> > husband has transferred the property to the mothers name but high
> > court did not like this and they passed the RTR in favor of wife. So I
> > guess the safest way out is to sell the property and park the funds in
> > investments which wife cannot track down.
>
> > We are in the process of consolidating all the useful judgment related
> > to DV act and putting them on the website
>
> > General Guidelines for DV victims.  Click Here- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Today's topics:

* Forget 53x11 - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b7eb0f8de07c0902?hl=en
* Forget 53-11 - photo from the Tour of Africa - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf5f054698deb536?hl=en
* Landis & Baker Face Trial for Hacking - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d91f23410dc0c1f4?hl=en
* Popoyych Gets His Turn - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/90116db0961f5c57?hl=en
* An Interesting Prediction - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf656187b930b89f?hl=en
* BOSTON PIZZA - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9b4cc18eab166b7b?hl=en
* Hot sexy star Ayesha Takia new highly exposing acting in Super film - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/26725344b8cb6091?hl=en
* CHRISTIAN RADIO - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1f05ccdf008aa2d4?hl=en
* "Shut it Up Popo"* - Popovych says he knows nothing ! - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae47fa6fe8bafbae?hl=en

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TOPIC: Forget 53x11
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b7eb0f8de07c0902?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 3 2010 11:04 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <8a65e528-dd31-4058-b9c1-536a22cba42b@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Carl Sundquist <carl.sundquist@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 3, 7:34 pm, "H. Fred Kveck" <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article <iasetf01...@news6.newsguy.com>, dave a
> > <blkcatREMOVET...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showpost.php?s=cbe0cc85f5b5a62de20a7...
> > > ...&p=578228
> >
> > > or
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/2a3f6c5
> >
> > > Why is his fork backwards?
> >
> >    I'd say it's set up like that to increase the trail, thereby making the
> > bike a bit more stable. Think of it like the front wheels on a shopping
> > cart. It'll want to track better than if the fork was the normal way.
>
> That makes sense, but looking at pictures of Fred Rompelburg's and
> John Howard's bikes (did you know that Howard beat Rompelburg over the
> Gavia in a snowstorm to win the Tour of Bonneville?), they both have
> forks with generous head tube angle and a slight forward rake.
>
> The bike behind the Porsche looks like you typical stayer bike.

Now I'm not an expert on this, so take it for what it's worth.

Trail is defined as the distance between a line drawn through the steering axis to
the ground and a vertical line through the center of the wheel. So on a bike like
Howard's [1] and Rompelberg's [2], where the headtube angle is tipped back pretty
far, the line extending to the ground will naturally land further in front of the
vertical line through the wheel. That means more trail. On a bike with a more normal
headtube angle, turning the fork around moves the wheel further back, increasing the
trail. Turning the fork around on a little kid's first bike is a trick I've seen used
to good effect - the small wheels mean the bike is pretty minimal on trail from the
get go. The backwards fork moves the wheel back, increasing trail and making the bike
a lot less squirrelly.

One interesting thing I see is that the Colnago of Rompelberg has a lot of fork
offset. That moves the wheel forward in relation to the steering axis, which reduces
trail. Perhaps Colnago wanted the bike to steer more like a regular bike. Howard's
bike does not appear to have much fork offset at all.

[1] <http://www.fixedgearswitzerland.com/wp-content/uploads/saltlake_speedbike.jpg>

and:
<http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/storage/Speed04.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1
218068584515>

[2] http://www.blingcheese.com/image/code/0/fred+rompelberg.htm


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 7:04 am
From: "A. Dumas"


Carl Sundquist wrote:
> John Howard's bikes (did you know that Howard beat Rompelburg over the
> Gavia in a snowstorm to win the Tour of Bonneville?),

Haha. (sob)


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 8:32 am
From: --D-y


On Nov 4, 1:04 am, "H. Fred Kveck" <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <8a65e528-dd31-4058-b9c1-536a22cba...@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>  Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 7:34 pm, "H. Fred Kveck" <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > In article <iasetf01...@news6.newsguy.com>, dave a
> > > <blkcatREMOVET...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showpost.php?s=cbe0cc85f5b5a62de20a7...
> > > > ...&p=578228
>
> > > > or
>
> > > >http://tinyurl.com/2a3f6c5
>
> > > > Why is his fork backwards?
>
> > >    I'd say it's set up like that to increase the trail, thereby making the
> > > bike a bit more stable. Think of it like the front wheels on a shopping
> > > cart. It'll want to track better than if the fork was the normal way.
>
> > That makes sense, but looking at pictures of Fred Rompelburg's and
> > John Howard's bikes (did you know that Howard beat Rompelburg over the
> > Gavia in a snowstorm to win the Tour of Bonneville?), they both have
> > forks with generous head tube angle and a slight forward rake.
>
> > The bike behind the Porsche looks like you typical stayer bike.
>
>    Now I'm not an expert on this, so take it for what it's worth.
>
>    Trail is defined as the distance between a line drawn through the steering axis to
> the ground and a vertical line through the center of the wheel. So on a bike like
> Howard's [1] and Rompelberg's [2], where the headtube angle is tipped back pretty
> far, the line extending to the ground will naturally land further in front of the
> vertical line through the wheel. That means more trail. On a bike with a more normal
> headtube angle, turning the fork around moves the wheel further back, increasing the
> trail. Turning the fork around on a little kid's first bike is a trick I've seen used
> to good effect - the small wheels mean the bike is pretty minimal on trail from the
> get go. The backwards fork moves the wheel back, increasing trail and making the bike
> a lot less squirrelly.
>
>    One interesting thing I see is that the Colnago of Rompelberg has a lot of fork
> offset. That moves the wheel forward in relation to the steering axis, which reduces
> trail. Perhaps Colnago wanted the bike to steer more like a regular bike. Howard's
> bike does not appear to have much fork offset at all.
>
> [1] <http://www.fixedgearswitzerland.com/wp-content/uploads/saltlake_speed...>
>
>    and:
> <http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/storage/Speed04.jpg?__SQUARESPAC...
> 218068584515>
>
> [2]http://www.blingcheese.com/image/code/0/fred+rompelberg.htm

Here's one example, although the straight fork kinda interferes with
"the picture", comparing forks curved ahead or behind the steer tube:
<http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/k4drd/Bicycles/
RakeandTrail-1.jpg
>

Noting, briefly, effect of smaller front wheel:
http://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/stayers.html>

Dave says "not too much more trail" than a normal track bike (which,
in spite of steeper angles, might tend to run a little more trail than
road-pattern frames, so they don't "twitch") and then I'm reminded of
the old "Bicycling Science" book where a trail experiment was carried
out which indicated that too much trail was unstable and IMS, less
desirable from a handling ("ability to control the bicycle")
standpoint, than instability caused by too little trail.

I've never ridden a stayer bike; closest I've come is finishing a race
after an accident that left my front fork "altered" to the point of
extreme toe/front wheel overlap. I was too busy to notice anything in
particular IRT handling changes.
--D-y

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TOPIC: Forget 53-11 - photo from the Tour of Africa
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf5f054698deb536?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:20 am
From: drmofe


On Nov 4, 5:41 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 10:41 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Perfected drafting technique
>
> >http://i55.tinypic.com/4kxje1.jpg
>
> Definitely dopers.  Normal riders could never push a bus like that.

You idiots. It was what was going on in the bus at the side of the
road that counts.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 5:47 am
From: Scott


On Nov 3, 8:41 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Perfected drafting technique
>
> http://i55.tinypic.com/4kxje1.jpg

What??? No helmets???

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TOPIC: Landis & Baker Face Trial for Hacking
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d91f23410dc0c1f4?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:30 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Brad Anders wrote:
> I bleed for you.

Kindly ensure the haemocrit level abides by rbr standards of at least 50.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 7:06 am
From: BLafferty


On 11/4/2010 12:29 AM, Fred Fredburger wrote:
> BLafferty wrote:
>> Oops. The Freds are wrong once again.
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landis-wants-new-zealand-win-will-stand-trial-in-france
>>
>
> Wrong? About what?
>
> You said Landis was going to get jail time, that he wouldn't get jail
> time, that he'd be prosecuted and that he wouldn't because they wouldn't
> extradite him. Was it some piece of that that someone argued with or was
> it some different position?
>
> This is the problem with being a candyass, Brian. You end up being right
> once and wrong a dozen times on every topic.
LOL!


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 12:12 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Nov 3, 10:37 am, BLafferty <B...@nobody.com> wrote:
> Oops. The Freds are wrong once again.http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landis-wants-new-zealand-win-will-sta...

Will the Armstrong legal/publicity team have as much sympathy for
Floyd? Not that Floyd would necessarily understand any better if the
trial was in English.

"How he was served struck me as a little peculiar," Miller told the
Los Angeles Times. "It was effected on a guy at a charity ride who was
going to leave Texas for a vacation with his girlfriend. A guy from
Ukraine who doesn't speak great English and didn't really understand
what was going on.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 1:59 pm
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Plano Dude wrote:
> "How he was served struck me as a little peculiar," Miller told the
> Los Angeles Times. "It was effected on a guy at a charity ride who was
> going to leave Texas for a vacation with his girlfriend. A guy from
> Ukraine who doesn't speak great English and didn't really understand
> what was going on.

I don't suppose L's trial is going to be held in an attic ?

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TOPIC: Popoyych Gets His Turn
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/90116db0961f5c57?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 6:11 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 11/3/2010 3:53 PM, BLafferty wrote:
> On 11/3/2010 11:41 AM, BLafferty wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/505414/armstrong-s-team-mate-popovych-summonsed-in-doping-investigation.html
>>
>>
>
> Has anyone seen any photos posted of Popo being served with the criminal
> subpoena to appear before the Grand Jury?

It's really creepy that you care. You're plenty creepy as it
is. But even for you, that's exceptional.

Fred Flintstein


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 7:05 am
From: BLafferty


On 11/4/2010 9:11 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 11/3/2010 3:53 PM, BLafferty wrote:
>> On 11/3/2010 11:41 AM, BLafferty wrote:
>>> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/505414/armstrong-s-team-mate-popovych-summonsed-in-doping-investigation.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Has anyone seen any photos posted of Popo being served with the criminal
>> subpoena to appear before the Grand Jury?
>
> It's really creepy that you care. You're plenty creepy as it
> is. But even for you, that's exceptional.
>
> Fred Flintstein
You're pretty creepy, yourself. Carry on.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:47 am
From: Jimmy July


On 11/04/2010 06:11 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 11/3/2010 3:53 PM, BLafferty wrote:
>> On 11/3/2010 11:41 AM, BLafferty wrote:
>>> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/505414/armstrong-s-team-mate-popovych-summonsed-in-doping-investigation.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Has anyone seen any photos posted of Popo being served with the criminal
>> subpoena to appear before the Grand Jury?
>
> It's really creepy that you care. You're plenty creepy as it
> is. But even for you, that's exceptional.

I can only imagine what he wants with the photo.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 11:17 am
From: RicodJour


On Nov 4, 12:47 pm, Jimmy July <J...@JimmyJim.JimJimJim> wrote:
> On 11/04/2010 06:11 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> > On 11/3/2010 3:53 PM, BLafferty wrote:
> >> On 11/3/2010 11:41 AM, BLafferty wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/505414/armstrong-s-team-ma...
>
> >> Has anyone seen any photos posted of Popo being served with the criminal
> >> subpoena to appear before the Grand Jury?
>
> > It's really creepy that you care. You're plenty creepy as it
> > is. But even for you, that's exceptional.
>
> I can only imagine what he wants with the photo.

It's probably best if you try not to, but if you must, notice Jowls'
term of endearment.

R

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TOPIC: An Interesting Prediction
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf656187b930b89f?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 6:12 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 11/3/2010 3:51 PM, BLafferty wrote:
>
> To be clear, this is the only cycling forum that I've posted to in well
> over a year, probably longer.

Interesting.

Fred Flintstein


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 8:00 am
From: RicodJour


On Nov 3, 4:51 pm, BLafferty <B...@nobody.com> wrote:
> On 11/3/2010 4:25 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>
> > Burden of proof, oh bag de douche.  Let's recap:
>
> > You posted a purported other person's post in another forum:
> > "At first it was "Never tested positive" "Most tested Athlete" As it
> > became clear that neither of these was true"
>
> > I asked who has been tested more.
>
> > Instead of saying something sensible, like, "I didn't say that - the
> > other poster did." (denial of ownership)
> > or
> > "It's unproven that LANCE is the most tested athlete." (denial of
> > absolute)
> > or even
> > "Who do you think has been tested more?" (diversion)
>
> > You post possibly the single worst 'proof' on RBR.  No mean feat.
>
> > Keep up the good work, Jowls.  And have a few more Halloween treats.
>
> ROTFLMAO!!  RICO, you're a hoot.  Go over to the other forum and ask the
> poster to substantiate his/her claim.  I'm more concerned about seeing
> the UniBaller start substantiating his PR claims.

See? That was an almost normal response to my question about what
athlete had been tested more.
"Go ask the guy who posted it." Denial of Ownership. Old dogs can
learn new tricks.

R


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 8:36 am
From: BLafferty


On 11/4/2010 11:00 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 3, 4:51 pm, BLafferty<B...@nobody.com> wrote:
>> On 11/3/2010 4:25 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>>
>>> Burden of proof, oh bag de douche. Let's recap:
>>
>>> You posted a purported other person's post in another forum:
>>> "At first it was "Never tested positive" "Most tested Athlete" As it
>>> became clear that neither of these was true"
>>
>>> I asked who has been tested more.
>>
>>> Instead of saying something sensible, like, "I didn't say that - the
>>> other poster did." (denial of ownership)
>>> or
>>> "It's unproven that LANCE is the most tested athlete." (denial of
>>> absolute)
>>> or even
>>> "Who do you think has been tested more?" (diversion)
>>
>>> You post possibly the single worst 'proof' on RBR. No mean feat.
>>
>>> Keep up the good work, Jowls. And have a few more Halloween treats.
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!! RICO, you're a hoot. Go over to the other forum and ask the
>> poster to substantiate his/her claim. I'm more concerned about seeing
>> the UniBaller start substantiating his PR claims.
>
> See? That was an almost normal response to my question about what
> athlete had been tested more.
> "Go ask the guy who posted it." Denial of Ownership. Old dogs can
> learn new tricks.
>
> R

RICO, I don't "own" the other poster's statement. I've done my best to
ascertain whether or not there is a source to substantiate Armstrong's
assertion. The best I could come up with is the USADA site. If you
have a better source that shows Armstrong is/was the most tested athlete
during a specific period of time, provide it. Give Livestrong a call as
my friend did regarding the 28 million cancer claim and ask them for
substantiation of the most tested statement. Carry on. :-)


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:45 am
From: Jimmy July


On 11/03/2010 10:32 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 3, 1:19 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> On 11/3/2010 10:06 AM, BLafferty wrote:
>>
>>> Too bad for your theory that I don't post to that forum. Enjoy your
>>> delusion. LOL!
>>
>> Dumbass,
>>
>> Do you realize you've posted a ton recently, and only to
>> doping threads?
>>
>> OCD never sleeps.
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> I'm starting to miss Kunich. At least he wasn't a one trick pony.
>

But he didn't bring sock puppets. Lafferty's got him beat on that score!


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 11:19 am
From: RicodJour


On Nov 4, 12:45 pm, Jimmy July <J...@JimmyJim.JimJimJim> wrote:
> On 11/03/2010 10:32 AM, RicodJour wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 1:19 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >> On 11/3/2010 10:06 AM, BLafferty wrote:
>
> >>> Too bad for your theory that I don't post to that forum. Enjoy your
> >>> delusion. LOL!
>
> >> Dumbass,
>
> >> Do you realize you've posted a ton recently, and only to
> >> doping threads?
>
> >> OCD never sleeps.
>
> >> Fred Flintstein
>
> > I'm starting to miss Kunich.  At least he wasn't a one trick pony.
>
> But he didn't bring sock puppets. Lafferty's got him beat on that score!

L'enema's principle occupation is beating. Beating a dead horse,
beating something to death, but primarily, just beating it (to
pictures of LANCE, and now maybe Popovych).

R


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 11:26 am
From: RicodJour


On Nov 3, 1:32 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm starting to miss Kunich.  At least he wasn't a one trick pony.

I was serious about starting to miss Kunich. He got on my nerves, and
I certainly took umbrage with stuff he said, but I got the impression
he was a likable enough guy in real life, and didn't have a particular
axe to grind. He definitely livened the place up, and unlike some
people who started this thread, he didn't suck the air out of the room
with an obsession.

R


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 11:59 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 11/4/2010 1:26 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 3, 1:32 pm, RicodJour<ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm starting to miss Kunich. At least he wasn't a one trick pony.
>
> I was serious about starting to miss Kunich. He got on my nerves, and
> I certainly took umbrage with stuff he said, but I got the impression
> he was a likable enough guy in real life, and didn't have a particular
> axe to grind. He definitely livened the place up, and unlike some
> people who started this thread, he didn't suck the air out of the room
> with an obsession.
>
> R

Did you notice how we just had an election season without getting
overrun with off topic political stuff?

All it took was two people not being here.

Fred Flintstein

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 6:36 am
From: Charlie Padilla


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TOPIC: "Shut it Up Popo"* - Popovych says he knows nothing !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae47fa6fe8bafbae?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 12:39 pm
From: Keith


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/popovych-denies-witnessing-doping?ns_campaign=news&amp;ns_mchannel=rss&amp;ns_source=cyclingnews&amp;ns_linkname=0&amp;ns_fee=0

And that from the man who was total crap at Lotto...I guess that
helped him not joining the ranks of the ex-uniballer mountain henchmen
to fall for doping, I guess there aren't too many around, let's
see...Rubiera only comes to mind for now.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 12:54 pm
From: BLafferty


On 11/4/2010 3:39 PM, Keith wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/popovych-denies-witnessing-doping?ns_campaign=news&amp;ns_mchannel=rss&amp;ns_source=cyclingnews&amp;ns_linkname=0&amp;ns_fee=0
>
> And that from the man who was total crap at Lotto...I guess that
> helped him not joining the ranks of the ex-uniballer mountain henchmen
> to fall for doping, I guess there aren't too many around, let's
> see...Rubiera only comes to mind for now.

I don't think Popo has said anything publicly.
His lawyer said, "He doesn't know anything about what the focus of the
investigation is," Miller said. You could interpret that in a couple of
ways. I'm surprised his attorney didn't say directly that Popo knows
nothing. It usually doesn't take 90 minutes to say you know nothing.

Then again, Mclvain was in the GJ room for over 6 hours, IIRC, and she
claims to know nothing. The eventual indictments said to be coming in
January will make interesting reading.


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