Sunday, November 14, 2010

alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots - 25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Solid - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/85254a3ba938d9a6?hl=en
* They're gonna give this one away. - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/e940538f8c98b777?hl=en
* Touchdown! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/20d8504c4c152a69?hl=en
* Ugh - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/3d3ea494c134f5ce?hl=en
* Collingsworthless. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/c29cc02b5ca0f558?hl=en
* Defense - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/9d0992c067f79a5f?hl=en
* No good... - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/693166e3a54fe9cc?hl=en
* Touchdown...again... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/e6a86d016141c9b2?hl=en
* Ripe for interception - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/58f2d1c710f1f5e3?hl=en
* YESSSSS! INTERCEPTED !!! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/87706a458380afbb?hl=en
* Solid victory - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/1851373d936d0356?hl=en
* What Kind Of Mother Names Her Son "Algae"??? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/a991b06a5ebcfd47?hl=en
* BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Throw another one, rapist! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/ae7aa3949edace7b?hl=en
* Now THAT's teh game - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/a43c114bfab7d89e?hl=en

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TOPIC: Solid
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/85254a3ba938d9a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:06 pm
From: cloud dreamer


Win or lose tonight, they're proving that last week was a hiccough...

..


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:08 pm
From: MrWonderful


cloud dreamer wrote:
> Win or lose tonight, they're proving that last week was a hiccough...
>
> ..
LOL "hiccough" dahhhhhhhhhhh


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:12 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 15/11/2010 12:38 AM, MrWonderful wrote:
> cloud dreamer wrote:
>> Win or lose tonight, they're proving that last week was a hiccough...
>>
>> ..
> LOL "hiccough" dahhhhhhhhhhh

Huh?

..

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TOPIC: They're gonna give this one away.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/e940538f8c98b777?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:20 pm
From: Antonio Varblespunk


I can feel it. That sloppy play at the end of the half,
missed tackles etc. Same old road story.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:27 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 14/11/2010 11:50 PM, Antonio Varblespunk wrote:
> I can feel it. That sloppy play at the end of the half,
> missed tackles etc. Same old road story.
>
>
>


That was a solid drive. Now they just need to avoid that second half
complacency...

..


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:51 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"cloud dreamer" <dont.attack@the.messenger> wrote in message
news:Qt6dnZLgvoI4NX3RnZ2dnUVZ_hYAAAAA@supernews.com...
> On 14/11/2010 11:50 PM, Antonio Varblespunk wrote:
>> I can feel it. That sloppy play at the end of the half,
>> missed tackles etc. Same old road story.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> That was a solid drive. Now they just need to avoid that second half
> complacency...
>
> ..


yup
and the dreaded Pittsburg refereeism

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TOPIC: Touchdown!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/20d8504c4c152a69?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:26 pm
From: cloud dreamer


GRonk making up for last week big time...

..

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TOPIC: Ugh
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/3d3ea494c134f5ce?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:28 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"TJM" <TJM@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:ibq6ou$bkn$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> cloud dreamer wrote:
>> On 14/11/2010 10:53 PM, Uriel wrote:
>>> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>> I hate the night games!! It's almost ten pm...no way I can stay awake
>>>> till 1 am....<sigh>
>>>>
>>>> ;]
>>> great now the group won't have to deal with your constant reporting of
>>> the obvious
>>
>>
>> Grow up. Some people who can't see the game drop in here.
>>
>> ..
> go away


you're the troll you fucking idiot.

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TOPIC: Collingsworthless.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/c29cc02b5ca0f558?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:34 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"


can he hate on the Pats more?
he's been that way forever too.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:40 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 15/11/2010 12:04 AM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> can he hate on the Pats more?
> he's been that way forever too.
>
>


yeah. Another reason I hate the night games....

;]

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TOPIC: Defense
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/9d0992c067f79a5f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:47 pm
From: cloud dreamer


Ahhhh....

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TOPIC: No good...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/693166e3a54fe9cc?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:47 pm
From: cloud dreamer


LOL...this is worth staying up for...


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:50 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"cloud dreamer" <dont.attack@the.messenger> wrote in message
news:W76dnTpBGrPHMH3RnZ2dnUVZ_hMAAAAA@supernews.com...
> LOL...this is worth staying up for...

Karma for the bullshit PI call that got them close.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:52 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 15/11/2010 12:20 AM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> "cloud dreamer"<dont.attack@the.messenger> wrote in message
> news:W76dnTpBGrPHMH3RnZ2dnUVZ_hMAAAAA@supernews.com...
>> LOL...this is worth staying up for...
>
> Karma for the bullshit PI call that got them close.
>
>


Yup. Great acting on the receivers part...


..

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TOPIC: Touchdown...again...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/e6a86d016141c9b2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:54 pm
From: cloud dreamer


LOL...Brady...!!

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TOPIC: Ripe for interception
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/58f2d1c710f1f5e3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:05 pm
From: cloud dreamer


Ben is getting freaked by the pressure...

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TOPIC: YESSSSS! INTERCEPTED !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/87706a458380afbb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:21 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"


TOUCHDOWN!!!


that's the ball game.

Cloud you called it!


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:22 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 15/11/2010 12:51 AM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> TOUCHDOWN!!!
>
>
> that's the ball game.
>
> Cloud you called it!
>
>


Doing the INTERCEPTION dance...dancing dancing dancing...LOL

:D

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TOPIC: Solid victory
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/1851373d936d0356?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:27 pm
From: "RickyBobby"


The Steelers are not that good. But it still counts as a win.

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TOPIC: What Kind Of Mother Names Her Son "Algae"???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/a991b06a5ebcfd47?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:28 pm
From: Howie


On Nov 14, 8:37 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
<foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I heard her other kids are named: Pond Scum, Leukemia, Mold, Syphilis,
> and Bacteria.
>
> mr dude

His mother was a marine biologist.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:30 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Howie" <howie@boardermail.com> wrote in message
news:1f3b7175-ac81-428d-831c-4fea2e336e62@y2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 14, 8:37 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
<foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I heard her other kids are named: Pond Scum, Leukemia, Mold, Syphilis,
> and Bacteria.
>
> mr dude

His mother was a marine biologist.


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his name is Algernon. from the book Flowers for Algernon his mother liked
the book


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:35 pm
From: Howie


On Nov 14, 11:30 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Howie" <ho...@boardermail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1f3b7175-ac81-428d-831c-4fea2e336e62@y2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 14, 8:37 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>
> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I heard her other kids are named: Pond Scum, Leukemia, Mold, Syphilis,
> > and Bacteria.
>
> > mr dude
>
> His mother was a marine biologist.
>
> ===========================================================================­=========
>
> his name is Algernon. from the book  Flowers for Algernon his mother liked
> the book


Dude's mother had the same inspiration. Here is her favorite book:

'The Making of a Moron' by Niall Brennan


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:38 pm
From: MuahMan


On Nov 14, 8:37 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
<foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I heard her other kids are named: Pond Scum, Leukemia, Mold, Syphilis,
> and Bacteria.
>
> mr dude

A Ho with a mean pimp.

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TOPIC: BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Throw another one, rapist!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/ae7aa3949edace7b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:30 pm
From: "Rapists Don't Win"


Ben the rapist is in fine form tonight.

Two cheating teams playing on Sunday night. The scent of Karma is in the
air, but - Karma hates college co-ed stalking rapists.


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TOPIC: Now THAT's teh game
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/a43c114bfab7d89e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:37 pm
From: cloud dreamer


Hat trick


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[socialactionfoundationforequity:9244 64,000 HIV patients in Nepal

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64,000 HIV patients in Nepal
http://www.myrepublica.com/portal/index.php?action=news_details&news_id=25209

SANTOSH POKHAREL

POKHARA, Nov 14: Around 64,000 persons in Nepal are estimated to have
been affected by HIV and AIDS, disclosed National Center for AIDS and
STD Control Division (NCASC) on Sunday.

However, according to NCASC director Krishna Kumar Rai, only 16,000
HIV-infected persons have been recorded so far.

Addressing a three-day seminar that kicked off in Pokhara, Rai said
hundreds of HIV-infected persons have not disclosed their identities.
"The number of HIV-infected persons has been increasing every year,"
Rai said.

According to NCASC, of the total estimated number of HIV-infected
persons, 3,500 persons are below the age of 14 years. Similarly, the
number of HIV-infected aged between 15 to 49 years is around 50,000.
The rest of those infected are above the age of 50.

However, not all HIV-infected persons have been provided with Anti
Retro Viral (ARV) that increases CD-4 cells in HIV-infected persons´
bodies. Of the total registered HIV-infected persons, only 4,500 have
regularly been receiving ARV.

According to NCASC, around 5,000 persons get infected with HIV and the
equal number dies of AIDS every year in Nepal. Rai said the problem of
HIV/AIDS in Nepal continues unabated despite the persistent efforts of
scores of non-government organizations (NGOs). "Millions of rupees are
being spent to contain the epidemic of HIV/AIDS but with very little
impact," he said.

According to Dipak Kumar Karki, vigilance officer at NCASC, 90 percent
of HIV infected persons contract HIV through unsafe sex. "Those who go
to India and Gulf countries contract HIV," Karki said. "They transmit
the disease to their wives after returning home."

Rajeev Kafle, Chairman of National Association of People living with
HIV/AIDS in Nepal (NAPN), flayed the government for not allocating
adequate budget to tackle the epidemic. "So far, 91 per cent of the
total budget allocated for HIV/AIDS has been borne by NGOs," Kafle
said.

Published on 2010-11-14 20:35:44

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:9244 UN envoy challenges composition of UN Women's Board

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UN envoy challenges composition of UN Women's Board
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=197419

General News of Saturday, 13 November 2010
Source: GNA

Accra, Nov 13, GNA - Mr Stephen Lewis, a former United Nations Envoy=
on HIV and AIDS for Africa on Saturday challenged the membership of
five countries on the UN Agency on Gender Equality and Women's
Empowerment Executive Board. He explained that he disapproved of the
membership of Saudi Arabia, Libya, Bangladesh, Iran and Democratic
Republic of Congo on the Executive=

Board because of their anti-gender laws and practices.

The UN Women was formed to support the Commission on the Status of
Women and other inter-governmental bodies in devising policies and
also helping member states to implement standards. It is also to
provide technical and financial support to the countri= es and assist
them to forge partnerships with civil society. Speaking at an
international women's conference in Accra on the them= e: "Quality
versus Quantity; How far have we come in promoting Africa women'= s
participation in politics," Mr Lewis said the five countries'
membership 'amounted to international trafficking of the rights of
women.' The Women's Conference was organized by the African Women
Developmen= t Fund to celebrate its 10th anniversary was attended by
leading accomplish= ed African women, including the Liberian
President, Mrs Ellen Johnson Sirlea= f ; Vice President of Malawi,
Mrs. Joyce Banda, Ministers of State and Parliamentarians.

He said: "In Saudi Arabia, women are not entitled to drive; women
require a male guardian's consent to have a passport and to travel
abroad= .. In a Saudi Court of Law, the testimony of one man equals
that of two wome= n. "Its impossible to know from day to day where
Libya falls on any give= n issue, the rights of women included, and
its presence on the Board is aki= n to farce, Bangladesh is a country
that stands against gender equality.and=

now they sit on the Board of UN Women. "Democratic Republic of the
Congo's membership is a true travesty of=

the integrity of the UN Women; rape has been used unimpeded as a
strategy= of conflict throughout the war. And even though Iran lost
the election to be= a member, it was included in a block of 10
countries for an election by acclamation. "Iran is a country where
domestic violence is legal; marital rape is legal. A charge of rape
can indeed be brought by a woman, but four male witnesses are
required, or three men and two women, and if the charge fai= ls, the
woman who made the accusation receives 80 lashes."

The UN Women is also mandated to hold the world body accountable for=

its own commitments on gender equality. The UN Women will be
officially established on January 1, 2011. The 41 board members were
selected on the following basis: 10 from Africa, 10 from Asia, four
from Eastern Europe, six from Latin America an= d the Caribbean, five
from Western Europe and six from contributing countri= es. Elected
from the African Group were Angola, Cape Verde, Congo, C=F4t= e
d'Ivoire, Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), Ethiopia, Lesotho,
Libya, Nigeria=

and Tanzania. Bangladesh, China, India, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Japan,
Malaysia, Pakistan, Republic of Korea and Timor-Leste were elected
from among the Asian States. Estonia, Hungary, Russia and Ukraine were
elected from among the Eastern European States, while Denmark, France,
Italy, Luxembourg and Swe= den were elected from the Western European
and Other States. In addition, the Council elected Argentina, Brazil,
Dominican Republ= ic, El Salvador, Grenada and Peru from the group of
Latin American and Caribb= ean States.

The Council also elected Mexico, Norway, Saudi Arabia, Spain, United=

Kingdom and United States from among the "contributing countries," for
three-year terms beginning today. Headed by former Chilean president
Michelle Bachelet, UN Women is t= he merger of the UN Development Fund
for Women (UNIFEM), the Division for th= e Advancement of Women (DAW),
the Office of the Special Adviser on Gender Issues, and the UN
International Research and Training Institute for the Advancement of
Women (UN-INSTRAW). 13 Nov. 10

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:9244 Job strain 'raises risk of heart problems in women'

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Job strain 'raises risk of heart problems in women'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11718323

15 November 2010 Last updated at 02:34 GMT

Women with high job strain have a 40% increased risk of cardiovascular
disease compared with those in less demanding posts, a US study
suggests.

They had an 88% raised risk of a heart attack, and more chance of
strokes and damage requiring coronary artery bypass surgery.

Researchers from Boston's Brigham and Women's Hospital followed 17,415
healthy women for more than 10 years.

The study was presented to the American Heart Association.

Job strain, a form of psychological stress, is defined as having a
demanding job that provides limited opportunity for decision making or
to use one's creative or individual skills.

The researchers also found job insecurity was also associated with
risk factors for cardiovascular disease, such as high blood pressure
and obesity - but not directly with poor cardiovascular health.

Stress can trigger the release of hormones such as adrenaline and
cortisol, which at persistently high levels are thought to damage the
cardiovascular system.

It can also raise inflammation levels which are thought to destabilise
the fatty plaques which build up in the blood vessels and can cause
circulatory problems.

Experts are concerned that heart disease can be overlooked in women,
as it is often mistakenly thought of as a male problem.

Women may have less common symptoms, such as back pain, burning in the
chest, abdominal discomfort, nausea, or fatigue, which makes diagnosis
more difficult.

They are also less likely to seek medical help, and tend to present
late in the process of their disease.

Researcher Dr Michelle Albert said the study suggested job stress had
both a short and long-term effect on cardiovascular health.

She also said it was crucial for employers to monitor job stress, and
take action to try to alleviate it.

"Job stress results in absenteeism, sickness, and disability, which
can reduce productivity and competitiveness," she said.

Previous research has tended to focus on the impact of job stress on
men.

Some critics believe it is not stress that causes heart problems - but
the unhealthy behaviour, such as smoking and drinking, that some
people adopt to try to cope with stress.

Ellen Mason, a senior cardiac nurse at the British Heart Foundation,
said the exact mechanism by which stress could change the body's
chemistry to raise the risk of heart disease had still to be pinned
down.

But she said there was a growing body of research to suggest that it
did have a damaging effect on the lining of the arteries.

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alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 26 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Holmes "Haven't run slant all game" - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f4820a277c597055?hl=en
* I had to look twice - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/990e8fd610664cfa?hl=en
* Mark Sanchez - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f57641800cd75e71?hl=en
* The first Browns drive... - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c516116ad6738818?hl=en
* Why is Eric Smith even on the football field? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/633c297d24951c6b?hl=en
* Sanchez is growing up... - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3d61c2c4e9e1cfe0?hl=en
* McKnight sighting - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1ec91bc456d92d5b?hl=en
* This feels like - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d5be356ddd865b7f?hl=en
* Mangini - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/816b53a2f591d08b?hl=en
* Nice loss. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8b64b183e60ca68e?hl=en

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TOPIC: Holmes "Haven't run slant all game"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f4820a277c597055?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 6:24 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "cd" <cd2k@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:bf4227a2-daef-4c62-a8c8-98fe414a4852@p20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> It's true, why does it appear that they don't run slants or crossing
>> routes, with a defender trailing. I also don't like that either they
>> are not coached or the players don't on their own run back to the qb
>> and give a scrambling qb a target. I saw Sanchez looking for an
>> option and just throwing it away or checking it down for no gain.
>
> That stuff only happens when you practice it all the time. My guess is
> Schott is so busy putting in all of his cute crap and tons of useless
> motion that they actually ommit certain basic pieces of practice and he
> rationalizes it by feeling it is obvious stuff you should do....obvious or
> not...you only do it when it becomes second nature by practicing
> it....they don't do it.


The Schott defenders have to understand something...this guy gets a HUGE
pass because of who his old man is. If you don't believe that tell me how
often you hear anyone associated with the pro game bad mouth Richie Kotite?
They don't...it is a very tight community....if Schott were not Marty's son
I promise that some questions would be raised guys like Simms or at least
one of the more objective guys...it will never happen. If you guys think
this offense looked well thought out, well game planned and is something
that can be executed easily...you flat out do not know much about the game.
There is no flow to it...it is a bunch of crap that takes way too long to
develop...and that you do hear from some of the commentators. I find it
very frustrating to try and watch.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:33 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <7tSdnUDMirtWEn3RnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

> "cd" <cd2k@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:bf4227a2-daef-4c62-a8c8-98fe414a4852@p20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > It's true, why does it appear that they don't run slants or crossing
> > routes, with a defender trailing. I also don't like that either they
> > are not coached or the players don't on their own run back to the qb
> > and give a scrambling qb a target. I saw Sanchez looking for an
> > option and just throwing it away or checking it down for no gain.
>
> That stuff only happens when you practice it all the time. My guess is
> Schott is so busy putting in all of his cute crap and tons of useless motion
> that they actually ommit certain basic pieces of practice and he
> rationalizes it by feeling it is obvious stuff you should do....obvious or
> not...you only do it when it becomes second nature by practicing it....they
> don't do it.

Don't forget his overload O-line plays that cause so many false starts
OR the WR or TE going in motion back in forth and ending coming into the
line to make it easier for the defenders to stop a run.

h


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:03 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-994B33.22331414112010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <7tSdnUDMirtWEn3RnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "cd" <cd2k@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:bf4227a2-daef-4c62-a8c8-98fe414a4852@p20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> > It's true, why does it appear that they don't run slants or crossing
>> > routes, with a defender trailing. I also don't like that either they
>> > are not coached or the players don't on their own run back to the qb
>> > and give a scrambling qb a target. I saw Sanchez looking for an
>> > option and just throwing it away or checking it down for no gain.
>>
>> That stuff only happens when you practice it all the time. My guess is
>> Schott is so busy putting in all of his cute crap and tons of useless
>> motion
>> that they actually ommit certain basic pieces of practice and he
>> rationalizes it by feeling it is obvious stuff you should do....obvious
>> or
>> not...you only do it when it becomes second nature by practicing
>> it....they
>> don't do it.
>
> Don't forget his overload O-line plays that cause so many false starts
> OR the WR or TE going in motion back in forth and ending coming into the
> line to make it easier for the defenders to stop a run.
>
> h

There is one there that really baffles me....TE starts out in H position and
goes in motion to the other side, then sets on line as TE....THEN...the WR
on that side goes in motion back the other way, essentially the D playing
zone can leave it alone and it does cause a lot of false starts, not being
set and it looks like what they want Keller to do is much more difficult
when he is in a stance on the LOS....these exotic shifts usually wind up in
LT over guard too.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: I had to look twice
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/990e8fd610664cfa?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 6:26 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:05716f7d-bda1-4bcb-b2f0-e9134cc90406@g20g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 14, 8:43 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7b1c2c6d-1558-4c8e-914e-4319b0e274f9@f16g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Nobody writing Schott sucks post, people looking generally happy with
> > what could be called a lucky win.
> > Is there a new Jets NG on usenet :-)
>
> I could not disagree more. The basic design of the offense is terrible.
> I'm not going to wast my time trying to explain it to you. There is NO WAY
> in Hell a team with the talent of the Jets should have to struggle against
> that defense.

Actually, I thought the Cleveland defense was pretty tough.

Last week, the Cleveland defense defeated NE, holding them to14 points
and the week before they defeated New Orleans, holding that high
powered ofense to 17 points.I n addition to those 2 impressive
defensive showings, Cleveland held 4 other teams to under 21,
including the Falcons. Not too shabby. Cleveland defense is no
slouch. Not sure why you think it is, but they've done a good job
this season except for one game on the road against the Steelers.
Schotty called a good game today.

The Cleveland defense IS good...but that are not multi-dimensional...they
beat the Pats by playing pass only for the most part...they came back to a
much more conventional set for the Jets...the talent of the Jets players is
what is carrying this thing right now...they had many opportunities to take
complete control of this game and didn't, and usually because of the play
that was called.


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:07 pm
From: Deadmeat


On 11/14/2010 8:43 PM, papa.carl44 wrote:
> "Glenn Greenstein"<lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7b1c2c6d-1558-4c8e-914e-4319b0e274f9@f16g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>> Nobody writing Schott sucks post, people looking generally happy with
>> what could be called a lucky win.
>> Is there a new Jets NG on usenet :-)
>
> I could not disagree more. The basic design of the offense is terrible.
> I'm not going to wast my time trying to explain it to you. There is NO WAY
> in Hell a team with the talent of the Jets should have to struggle against
> that defense.
>
>


That's right, you tell him. You played the game for 20 years, and then
you coached for another 20, which means you know more about the game
then anyone, ever.

You actually went 2 posts without throwing that in someones face. Gotta
be some sort of record.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:25 pm
From: Grinch


On Nov 14, 5:27 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Nobody writing Schott sucks post, people looking generally happy with
> what could be called a lucky win.
> Is there a new Jets NG on usenet :-)

The last two games (9 quarters):

282 yards rushing
611 yards passing
-----
893 yards total

Schott sucks.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:42 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 11/14/2010 7:25 PM, Grinch wrote:
> On Nov 14, 5:27 pm, Glenn Greenstein<lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Nobody writing Schott sucks post, people looking generally happy with
>> what could be called a lucky win.
>> Is there a new Jets NG on usenet :-)
>
> The last two games (9 quarters):
>
> 282 yards rushing
> 611 yards passing
> -----
> 893 yards total
>
> Schott sucks.
>
>
>

And how many of those passing yards came as a result of Sanchez's
athleticism? Do you think they were the result of plays called by
Schitt? If so, please pick up you tin can, pencils and dark shades at
the nearest shelter.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:04 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:b03a95d9-2b63-4942-baf7-9a807c93236d@42g2000prt.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 14, 5:27 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Nobody writing Schott sucks post, people looking generally happy with
> what could be called a lucky win.
> Is there a new Jets NG on usenet :-)

The last two games (9 quarters):

282 yards rushing
611 yards passing
-----
893 yards total

Schott sucks.

And what did all those yards result in....unless I missed something...it's
only the points scored that matter.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:07 pm
From: buRford


On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:07:58 -0500, Deadmeat <noone@home.com> wrote:

>On 11/14/2010 8:43 PM, papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "Glenn Greenstein"<lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7b1c2c6d-1558-4c8e-914e-4319b0e274f9@f16g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>>> Nobody writing Schott sucks post, people looking generally happy with
>>> what could be called a lucky win.
>>> Is there a new Jets NG on usenet :-)
>>
>> I could not disagree more. The basic design of the offense is terrible.
>> I'm not going to wast my time trying to explain it to you. There is NO WAY
>> in Hell a team with the talent of the Jets should have to struggle against
>> that defense.
>>
>>
>
>
>That's right, you tell him. You played the game for 20 years, and then
>you coached for another 20, which means you know more about the game
>then anyone, ever.
>
>You actually went 2 posts without throwing that in someones face. Gotta
>be some sort of record.


You're right. We all know that those who never played the game, and know it from watching
TV, or going to games, are the real experts. Not those that played, or coached.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Mark Sanchez
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f57641800cd75e71?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 6:32 pm
From: buRford


On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:45:08 -0500, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:d6207836-e04e-4ffc-947e-1143585d13b9@f16g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>On Nov 14, 5:22 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 14, 4:49 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Total ELITE effort by Sanchez. For the second week in a row he bailed
>> > them out. That was about as big time of an effort as I have ever seen
>> > by a QB. Fantastic !
>>
>> OK, who are you and what have you done with Michael :-)
>>
>> Welcome to the bandwagon Michael.
>
>I have always been a fan of Sanchez... His last two weeks were were
>worth making extra note of
>
>Sanchez is a very talented player...thank God they are letting him play
>finally, albeit he has to do most of it on his own and not by the design of
>the offense.
>

It's kinda funny to me, Carl, so few here see it. So many busted plays today, and Sanchez
& the receivers found a way, at critical times. It may've been the worst called game I've
seen, & I see posts about what a great game he called. There was never any rhythm. It
would be two plays for nothing, then a broken play for something, or one bad then one
good... but so rarely, two positive plays in a row.
The only time I saw any rhythm, was on the drive where Sanchez scored. Greene was rushing
& receiving well... then they pulled him & the drive nearly stalled at the two, if not for
Sanchez finding the hole to score.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:00 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Nov 14, 4:49 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Total ELITE effort by Sanchez.  For the second week in a row he bailed
> them out.  That was about as big time of an effort as I have ever seen
> by a QB.  Fantastic !

You misssplelled his last name!!!

His last name is "Manchez"!!!!!!!!

mr dude

==============================================================================
TOPIC: The first Browns drive...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c516116ad6738818?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:17 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <l9-dnWGdjOFgEX3RnZ2dnUVZ5oidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:

> On 11/14/2010 11:17 AM, Johnny Morongo wrote:
> > On 11/14/2010 11:06 AM, buRford wrote:
> >> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:55:03 -0800, MZ<mark@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 11/14/2010 10:41 AM, buRford wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:32:42 -0800, Johnny
> >>>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:29 AM, buRford wrote:
> >>>>>> Loved the play selection against our D.
> >>>>>> THAT is the way I'd like to see Schott call plays... mixing plays
> >>>>>> up, using a Ds
> >>>>>> tendencies against them, just throwing them off balance,& each
> >>>>>> play setting up the next.
> >>>>>> And with the talent we have, we could be unstoppable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You meant that we could be unstoppable if we had an OC? You don't know
> >>>>> what you're talking about. ;)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't know who the OC is, but I want him here. He has our D totally
> >>>> confused.
> >>>> While our OC IS totally confused.
> >>>
> >>> LMAO. Their OC is Brian Daboll, who was a Jets coach under Mangini.
> >>
> >>
> >> Really. So the Jets kept Schott& let him go... very good move ;)
> >> It's funy watching the the Jets O. There is no rhythm, but they can
> >> sometimes move&
> >> score, despite the garbage plays they're given to run.
> >> Also, you look at the Browns O, it's simple football. Not much presnap
> >> motion,& all the
> >> crap Schott loves. But just simply calling good, simple plays at the
> >> right time, can
> >> confuse a good D. And our D, until we're able to disrupt a QB, without
> >> blitzing, we'll
> >> continue to be picked apart. But they're resilient in limiting TDs.
> >
> > But the Browns have something that no other team has: Hillis.
> >
>
> They really hit a home run on that guy. I think he's a Jones-Drew clone.

Actually, he is the first guy to remind me of Mike Alstott in his prime.
Drew is an over pumped smurf. Hillis and Alstot were men who could move
around, through and over defenders.

I like this guy in college. Unlike my ratings for Colt and Ryan in
Atlanta, I got this one right.

And since Burf brought up the OC, Shott is the first OC I have seen in a
long time who stops his own team rather than making the Defense stop his
offense. When Shonn Greene and Smith are ripping the Browns apart, he
has to switch backs, pass, and give the Browns a chance. I could not
believe the 3rd and 2 call after we essentially ran down the field.

Sanchez, Holmes, and Cotch bailed Shott out today. Sanchez not making
one of those Houdini moves costs us the surprise win.

H


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:18 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <T5KdnXMps5WkoX3RnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

> "Johnny Morongo" <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
> news:QYudnTSdGv5UpX3RRVn_vwA@giganews.com...
> > On 11/14/2010 11:25 AM, buRford wrote:
> >> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:17:46 -0800, Johnny
> >> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 11/14/2010 11:06 AM, buRford wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:55:03 -0800, MZ<mark@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:41 AM, buRford wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:32:42 -0800, Johnny
> >>>>>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:29 AM, buRford wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Loved the play selection against our D.
> >>>>>>>> THAT is the way I'd like to see Schott call plays... mixing plays
> >>>>>>>> up, using a Ds
> >>>>>>>> tendencies against them, just throwing them off balance,& each
> >>>>>>>> play setting up the next.
> >>>>>>>> And with the talent we have, we could be unstoppable.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You meant that we could be unstoppable if we had an OC? You don't
> >>>>>>> know
> >>>>>>> what you're talking about. ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Don't know who the OC is, but I want him here. He has our D totally
> >>>>>> confused.
> >>>>>> While our OC IS totally confused.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LMAO. Their OC is Brian Daboll, who was a Jets coach under Mangini.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Really. So the Jets kept Schott& let him go... very good move ;)
> >>>> It's funy watching the the Jets O. There is no rhythm, but they can
> >>>> sometimes move&
> >>>> score, despite the garbage plays they're given to run.
> >>>> Also, you look at the Browns O, it's simple football. Not much presnap
> >>>> motion,& all the
> >>>> crap Schott loves. But just simply calling good, simple plays at the
> >>>> right time, can
> >>>> confuse a good D. And our D, until we're able to disrupt a QB, without
> >>>> blitzing, we'll
> >>>> continue to be picked apart. But they're resilient in limiting TDs.
> >>>
> >>> But the Browns have something that no other team has: Hillis.
> >>
> >> F Hillis. We have Gholston to take care of him!
> >
> > Oh. How could I have forgotten?
>
> This half Schott will serrve tea over the ball during that ceremony that is
> designed to let the defense adjust to what you are doing and confuse the
> guys trying to execute the play. Is it really Brian S's intention to limit
> the number of offensive plays by slowing everything down? Greene looks
> great...so send in LT...and give him the ball up the middle right
> away...that is always obvious too. This is a very poorly designed offense.
> What they accomplish is all up to the players and their abilities.

Yes!!!

h


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:35 pm
From: MZ


On 11/14/2010 7:17 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article<l9-dnWGdjOFgEX3RnZ2dnUVZ5oidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> MZ<mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>
>> On 11/14/2010 11:17 AM, Johnny Morongo wrote:
>>> On 11/14/2010 11:06 AM, buRford wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:55:03 -0800, MZ<mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:41 AM, buRford wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:32:42 -0800, Johnny
>>>>>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:29 AM, buRford wrote:
>>>>>>>> Loved the play selection against our D.
>>>>>>>> THAT is the way I'd like to see Schott call plays... mixing plays
>>>>>>>> up, using a Ds
>>>>>>>> tendencies against them, just throwing them off balance,& each
>>>>>>>> play setting up the next.
>>>>>>>> And with the talent we have, we could be unstoppable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You meant that we could be unstoppable if we had an OC? You don't know
>>>>>>> what you're talking about. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't know who the OC is, but I want him here. He has our D totally
>>>>>> confused.
>>>>>> While our OC IS totally confused.
>>>>>
>>>>> LMAO. Their OC is Brian Daboll, who was a Jets coach under Mangini.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really. So the Jets kept Schott& let him go... very good move ;)
>>>> It's funy watching the the Jets O. There is no rhythm, but they can
>>>> sometimes move&
>>>> score, despite the garbage plays they're given to run.
>>>> Also, you look at the Browns O, it's simple football. Not much presnap
>>>> motion,& all the
>>>> crap Schott loves. But just simply calling good, simple plays at the
>>>> right time, can
>>>> confuse a good D. And our D, until we're able to disrupt a QB, without
>>>> blitzing, we'll
>>>> continue to be picked apart. But they're resilient in limiting TDs.
>>>
>>> But the Browns have something that no other team has: Hillis.
>>>
>>
>> They really hit a home run on that guy. I think he's a Jones-Drew clone.
>
> Actually, he is the first guy to remind me of Mike Alstott in his prime.
> Drew is an over pumped smurf. Hillis and Alstot were men who could move
> around, through and over defenders.
>
> I like this guy in college. Unlike my ratings for Colt and Ryan in
> Atlanta, I got this one right.
>
> And since Burf brought up the OC, Shott is the first OC I have seen in a
> long time who stops his own team rather than making the Defense stop his
> offense. When Shonn Greene and Smith are ripping the Browns apart, he
> has to switch backs, pass, and give the Browns a chance. I could not
> believe the 3rd and 2 call after we essentially ran down the field.
>
> Sanchez, Holmes, and Cotch bailed Shott out today. Sanchez not making
> one of those Houdini moves costs us the surprise win.
>
> H

I think Jones-Drew is a lot more powerful than you give him credit for.
You're only comparing Hillis to Alstott because he's white. :)
Alstott was a slow-poke. Hillis has some shuffle.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:48 pm
From: buRford


On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:17:42 -0500, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:

>In article <l9-dnWGdjOFgEX3RnZ2dnUVZ5oidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>
>> On 11/14/2010 11:17 AM, Johnny Morongo wrote:
>> > On 11/14/2010 11:06 AM, buRford wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:55:03 -0800, MZ<mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 11/14/2010 10:41 AM, buRford wrote:
>> >>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:32:42 -0800, Johnny
>> >>>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:29 AM, buRford wrote:
>> >>>>>> Loved the play selection against our D.
>> >>>>>> THAT is the way I'd like to see Schott call plays... mixing plays
>> >>>>>> up, using a Ds
>> >>>>>> tendencies against them, just throwing them off balance,& each
>> >>>>>> play setting up the next.
>> >>>>>> And with the talent we have, we could be unstoppable.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You meant that we could be unstoppable if we had an OC? You don't know
>> >>>>> what you're talking about. ;)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Don't know who the OC is, but I want him here. He has our D totally
>> >>>> confused.
>> >>>> While our OC IS totally confused.
>> >>>
>> >>> LMAO. Their OC is Brian Daboll, who was a Jets coach under Mangini.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Really. So the Jets kept Schott& let him go... very good move ;)
>> >> It's funy watching the the Jets O. There is no rhythm, but they can
>> >> sometimes move&
>> >> score, despite the garbage plays they're given to run.
>> >> Also, you look at the Browns O, it's simple football. Not much presnap
>> >> motion,& all the
>> >> crap Schott loves. But just simply calling good, simple plays at the
>> >> right time, can
>> >> confuse a good D. And our D, until we're able to disrupt a QB, without
>> >> blitzing, we'll
>> >> continue to be picked apart. But they're resilient in limiting TDs.
>> >
>> > But the Browns have something that no other team has: Hillis.
>> >
>>
>> They really hit a home run on that guy. I think he's a Jones-Drew clone.
>
>Actually, he is the first guy to remind me of Mike Alstott in his prime.
>Drew is an over pumped smurf. Hillis and Alstot were men who could move
>around, through and over defenders.
>
>I like this guy in college. Unlike my ratings for Colt and Ryan in
>Atlanta, I got this one right.
>
>And since Burf brought up the OC, Shott is the first OC I have seen in a
>long time who stops his own team rather than making the Defense stop his
>offense. When Shonn Greene and Smith are ripping the Browns apart, he
>has to switch backs, pass, and give the Browns a chance. I could not
>believe the 3rd and 2 call after we essentially ran down the field.
>
>Sanchez, Holmes, and Cotch bailed Shott out today. Sanchez not making
>one of those Houdini moves costs us the surprise win.
>
>H

Another one who watched the game ;)


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:07 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-4D5CC2.22172914112010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <l9-dnWGdjOFgEX3RnZ2dnUVZ5oidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>
>> On 11/14/2010 11:17 AM, Johnny Morongo wrote:
>> > On 11/14/2010 11:06 AM, buRford wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:55:03 -0800, MZ<mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 11/14/2010 10:41 AM, buRford wrote:
>> >>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:32:42 -0800, Johnny
>> >>>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:29 AM, buRford wrote:
>> >>>>>> Loved the play selection against our D.
>> >>>>>> THAT is the way I'd like to see Schott call plays... mixing plays
>> >>>>>> up, using a Ds
>> >>>>>> tendencies against them, just throwing them off balance,& each
>> >>>>>> play setting up the next.
>> >>>>>> And with the talent we have, we could be unstoppable.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You meant that we could be unstoppable if we had an OC? You don't
>> >>>>> know
>> >>>>> what you're talking about. ;)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Don't know who the OC is, but I want him here. He has our D totally
>> >>>> confused.
>> >>>> While our OC IS totally confused.
>> >>>
>> >>> LMAO. Their OC is Brian Daboll, who was a Jets coach under Mangini.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Really. So the Jets kept Schott& let him go... very good move ;)
>> >> It's funy watching the the Jets O. There is no rhythm, but they can
>> >> sometimes move&
>> >> score, despite the garbage plays they're given to run.
>> >> Also, you look at the Browns O, it's simple football. Not much presnap
>> >> motion,& all the
>> >> crap Schott loves. But just simply calling good, simple plays at the
>> >> right time, can
>> >> confuse a good D. And our D, until we're able to disrupt a QB, without
>> >> blitzing, we'll
>> >> continue to be picked apart. But they're resilient in limiting TDs.
>> >
>> > But the Browns have something that no other team has: Hillis.
>> >
>>
>> They really hit a home run on that guy. I think he's a Jones-Drew clone.
>
> Actually, he is the first guy to remind me of Mike Alstott in his prime.
> Drew is an over pumped smurf. Hillis and Alstot were men who could move
> around, through and over defenders.
>
> I like this guy in college. Unlike my ratings for Colt and Ryan in
> Atlanta, I got this one right.
>
> And since Burf brought up the OC, Shott is the first OC I have seen in a
> long time who stops his own team rather than making the Defense stop his
> offense. When Shonn Greene and Smith are ripping the Browns apart, he
> has to switch backs, pass, and give the Browns a chance. I could not
> believe the 3rd and 2 call after we essentially ran down the field.
>
> Sanchez, Holmes, and Cotch bailed Shott out today. Sanchez not making
> one of those Houdini moves costs us the surprise win.
>
> H

I thought of Alstott also...just tough, but Hillis is a more athletic guy
that Mike was.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:21 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <27c0e6too3kgs84ap5c61q0poblqrevr35@4ax.com>,
buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:37:49 -0500, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I just don't get it... I thought Wilson was going to be in on the nickel
> >packages?
> >
> >They're going to be going at Smith all day long if he isn't pulled.
> >
>
> Wilson is at CB. Smith is what we have at Safety. I like Ihedigbo (sp?)
> much better.

Eric got banged up after being late all game. Did anyone notice he was
late getting to Ihedigbo to celebrate Bo's sack?

I just hope he is injured enough to be forced to miss several games. I
would count that a blessing.

I am tired of watching this guy be just behind the play (or the post
play).

harlan


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 8:05 pm
From: buRford


On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:21:26 -0500, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:

>In article <27c0e6too3kgs84ap5c61q0poblqrevr35@4ax.com>,
> buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:37:49 -0500, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I just don't get it... I thought Wilson was going to be in on the nickel
>> >packages?
>> >
>> >They're going to be going at Smith all day long if he isn't pulled.
>> >
>>
>> Wilson is at CB. Smith is what we have at Safety. I like Ihedigbo (sp?)
>> much better.
>
>Eric got banged up after being late all game. Did anyone notice he was
>late getting to Ihedigbo to celebrate Bo's sack?
>
>I just hope he is injured enough to be forced to miss several games. I
>would count that a blessing.
>
>I am tired of watching this guy be just behind the play (or the post
>play).
>
>harlan

Smith wasn't playing a lot, earlier in the season. Rex seems to be putting more emphasis
- - activating fewer DLmen - - on the 2ndary now, hence, more of Smith. I think he's
making a mistake by doing this. There wasn't much pressure earlier, now it's pretty
non-existent. Today was puzzling with a rook in there. But in the 2nd-half they seemed
to focus more on containing the edge on McCoy, to keep him in the pocket.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:24 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <v7f0e6pb68bdnvmn0tsvhhlcmfc5im4l47@4ax.com>,
buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:46:31 -0500, buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:32:21 -0800, Johnny Morongo
> ><j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On 11/14/2010 11:23 AM, buRford wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:18:45 -0800, Johnny
> >>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 11/14/2010 11:09 AM, buRford wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:58:08 -0800, Johnny
> >>>>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:56 AM, buRford wrote:
> >>>>>>> Great play on the Cotch TD... Rolled out, his target was covered,
> >>>>>>> moved some more& found
> >>>>>>> Cotch. His eyes are opening... nice to see ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Seems that he does fine when he has to improvise and not follow
> >>>>>> Schitt's
> >>>>>> calls.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yup... the whole O plays better when they're improvising.
> >>>>> One thing bugging me, is how often we're throwing long now.
> >>>>> First, they don't try it at all... now it's too much. So rare do they
> >>>>> pass mid-range.
> >>>>> And I want to see more Shonn Greene.
> >>>>
> >>>> But Green is getting more carries in this drive.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yeah... and they take him out, when he gets them to the 5 yard line.
> >>> Had they kept running with him, he'd have scored a TD.
> >>> Instead, they bring in LT, then at the 2, pass. Drives me crazy.
> >>> And they score... when MS takes it into his own hands, because the
> >>> playcall was dumb... a
> >>> pass again.
> >>> Always making things more difficult than they need to be.
> >>
> >>Absolutely correct. Shitt is shit. As for all his defenders in
> >>here...eat me.
> >
> >Shonn should be their feature back, & LT as the change of pace.
>
>
> They're just passing too much... it's crazy.
> Too much wildcat, too.
> This offense is just bizarre.
> And as much as we've been controlling the time of possession, since the
> mid-2nd qtr... the
> O has no rhythm to it. At least we're making the important plays today on O.

Actually, the wildcat seemed to average 4 ypc or more with a low that I
saw of three. I thought that was fine. Your other complaints mirrored my
observations.

If Sanchez had not made like Houdini with a bum leg, we lose this game
and there are no last second Holmes' heroics.

Those who criticize Sanchez' accuracy are right. Those who criticize his
judgement, especially dumping down are right too. But the kid has enough
heart to make up for many of his failings.

h


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:36 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 11/14/2010 7:24 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article<v7f0e6pb68bdnvmn0tsvhhlcmfc5im4l47@4ax.com>,
> buRford<buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:46:31 -0500, buRford<buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:32:21 -0800, Johnny Morongo
>>> <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/14/2010 11:23 AM, buRford wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:18:45 -0800, Johnny
>>>>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/14/2010 11:09 AM, buRford wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:58:08 -0800, Johnny
>>>>>>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:56 AM, buRford wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Great play on the Cotch TD... Rolled out, his target was covered,
>>>>>>>>> moved some more& found
>>>>>>>>> Cotch. His eyes are opening... nice to see ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems that he does fine when he has to improvise and not follow
>>>>>>>> Schitt's
>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup... the whole O plays better when they're improvising.
>>>>>>> One thing bugging me, is how often we're throwing long now.
>>>>>>> First, they don't try it at all... now it's too much. So rare do they
>>>>>>> pass mid-range.
>>>>>>> And I want to see more Shonn Greene.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But Green is getting more carries in this drive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah... and they take him out, when he gets them to the 5 yard line.
>>>>> Had they kept running with him, he'd have scored a TD.
>>>>> Instead, they bring in LT, then at the 2, pass. Drives me crazy.
>>>>> And they score... when MS takes it into his own hands, because the
>>>>> playcall was dumb... a
>>>>> pass again.
>>>>> Always making things more difficult than they need to be.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely correct. Shitt is shit. As for all his defenders in
>>>> here...eat me.
>>>
>>> Shonn should be their feature back,& LT as the change of pace.
>>
>>
>> They're just passing too much... it's crazy.
>> Too much wildcat, too.
>> This offense is just bizarre.
>> And as much as we've been controlling the time of possession, since the
>> mid-2nd qtr... the
>> O has no rhythm to it. At least we're making the important plays today on O.
>
> Actually, the wildcat seemed to average 4 ypc or more with a low that I
> saw of three. I thought that was fine. Your other complaints mirrored my
> observations.
>
> If Sanchez had not made like Houdini with a bum leg, we lose this game
> and there are no last second Holmes' heroics.
>
> Those who criticize Sanchez' accuracy are right. Those who criticize his
> judgement, especially dumping down are right too. But the kid has enough
> heart to make up for many of his failings.
>
> h

Imagine when he learns how to play the position.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:57 pm
From: buRford


On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:24:42 -0500, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:

>In article <v7f0e6pb68bdnvmn0tsvhhlcmfc5im4l47@4ax.com>,
> buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:46:31 -0500, buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:32:21 -0800, Johnny Morongo
>> ><j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 11/14/2010 11:23 AM, buRford wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:18:45 -0800, Johnny
>> >>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 11/14/2010 11:09 AM, buRford wrote:
>> >>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:58:08 -0800, Johnny
>> >>>>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:56 AM, buRford wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Great play on the Cotch TD... Rolled out, his target was covered,
>> >>>>>>> moved some more& found
>> >>>>>>> Cotch. His eyes are opening... nice to see ;)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Seems that he does fine when he has to improvise and not follow
>> >>>>>> Schitt's
>> >>>>>> calls.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yup... the whole O plays better when they're improvising.
>> >>>>> One thing bugging me, is how often we're throwing long now.
>> >>>>> First, they don't try it at all... now it's too much. So rare do they
>> >>>>> pass mid-range.
>> >>>>> And I want to see more Shonn Greene.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But Green is getting more carries in this drive.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Yeah... and they take him out, when he gets them to the 5 yard line.
>> >>> Had they kept running with him, he'd have scored a TD.
>> >>> Instead, they bring in LT, then at the 2, pass. Drives me crazy.
>> >>> And they score... when MS takes it into his own hands, because the
>> >>> playcall was dumb... a
>> >>> pass again.
>> >>> Always making things more difficult than they need to be.
>> >>
>> >>Absolutely correct. Shitt is shit. As for all his defenders in
>> >>here...eat me.
>> >
>> >Shonn should be their feature back, & LT as the change of pace.
>>
>>
>> They're just passing too much... it's crazy.
>> Too much wildcat, too.
>> This offense is just bizarre.
>> And as much as we've been controlling the time of possession, since the
>> mid-2nd qtr... the
>> O has no rhythm to it. At least we're making the important plays today on O.
>
>Actually, the wildcat seemed to average 4 ypc or more with a low that I
>saw of three. I thought that was fine. Your other complaints mirrored my
>observations.
>
>If Sanchez had not made like Houdini with a bum leg, we lose this game
>and there are no last second Holmes' heroics.
>
>Those who criticize Sanchez' accuracy are right. Those who criticize his
>judgement, especially dumping down are right too. But the kid has enough
>heart to make up for many of his failings.
>
>h

My problem with the wildcat, is that it often breaks any sense of rhythm.. It's not the
wildcat, per se, it's the situation when it's deployed.
It was amazing to me, how Sanchez was able to salvage so many of the plays, and how the
receivers were able to help him do it. These guys'll be great, when they have some plays
designed for them, & that take advantage of weaknesses in opposing Ds. But for now, most
of it is the same thing against all teams, and our players are learning how to adjust to
the bad positions their OC puts them in.
In a way, Sanchez is having to stretch his envelope, and become independent much faster
than he'd have done, if his OC created an offense around his players. Kind of ironic ;)


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:59 pm
From: buRford


On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:36:32 -0800, Johnny Morongo <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
wrote:

>On 11/14/2010 7:24 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>> In article<v7f0e6pb68bdnvmn0tsvhhlcmfc5im4l47@4ax.com>,
>> buRford<buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:46:31 -0500, buRford<buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:32:21 -0800, Johnny Morongo
>>>> <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/14/2010 11:23 AM, buRford wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:18:45 -0800, Johnny
>>>>>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/14/2010 11:09 AM, buRford wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:58:08 -0800, Johnny
>>>>>>>> Morongo<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:56 AM, buRford wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Great play on the Cotch TD... Rolled out, his target was covered,
>>>>>>>>>> moved some more& found
>>>>>>>>>> Cotch. His eyes are opening... nice to see ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seems that he does fine when he has to improvise and not follow
>>>>>>>>> Schitt's
>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yup... the whole O plays better when they're improvising.
>>>>>>>> One thing bugging me, is how often we're throwing long now.
>>>>>>>> First, they don't try it at all... now it's too much. So rare do they
>>>>>>>> pass mid-range.
>>>>>>>> And I want to see more Shonn Greene.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But Green is getting more carries in this drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah... and they take him out, when he gets them to the 5 yard line.
>>>>>> Had they kept running with him, he'd have scored a TD.
>>>>>> Instead, they bring in LT, then at the 2, pass. Drives me crazy.
>>>>>> And they score... when MS takes it into his own hands, because the
>>>>>> playcall was dumb... a
>>>>>> pass again.
>>>>>> Always making things more difficult than they need to be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely correct. Shitt is shit. As for all his defenders in
>>>>> here...eat me.
>>>>
>>>> Shonn should be their feature back,& LT as the change of pace.
>>>
>>>
>>> They're just passing too much... it's crazy.
>>> Too much wildcat, too.
>>> This offense is just bizarre.
>>> And as much as we've been controlling the time of possession, since the
>>> mid-2nd qtr... the
>>> O has no rhythm to it. At least we're making the important plays today on O.
>>
>> Actually, the wildcat seemed to average 4 ypc or more with a low that I
>> saw of three. I thought that was fine. Your other complaints mirrored my
>> observations.
>>
>> If Sanchez had not made like Houdini with a bum leg, we lose this game
>> and there are no last second Holmes' heroics.
>>
>> Those who criticize Sanchez' accuracy are right. Those who criticize his
>> judgement, especially dumping down are right too. But the kid has enough
>> heart to make up for many of his failings.
>>
>> h
>
>Imagine when he learns how to play the position.

He IS learning pretty quickly now, how to find plays within the mush he's been given by
his OC. He was just amazing today.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:27 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<b9989506-666e-4c98-937a-6b9e9371fab9@a30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:

> and it's not a good one. Whiffed on the taqckle on the kickoff after
> the field goal. Guy almost sprung it because of him. F-ing awful.

Well that answered who the POS #25 was.

Oh well. At least VG has turned it all around ;-)

h

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TOPIC: This feels like
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:30 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<ae11bc4e-88a8-447a-be97-33873ea5a6e6@o29g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:

> This feels like payback for some of those old heart breaking SOJ
> losses.
>
> Sanchez played very well. Playcalling was fine. Defense I'd like to
> slap the sides of their heads for letting MCcoy do that in the Brown's
> final drive in regulation. They sucked. Folk sucked. Chanci Stuckey
> gave us a gift and Holmes makes perhaps the best cutback of the season
> to elude a bunch of Browns on the game winning play.
>
> Waiting for Brian Pratt to tell us we didn't deserve the win again.
> LOL. He's probably right but we'll take it.

Actually, the way Houston lost was the way I remember being a Jet fan.
This was just pure anxiety.

harlan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:32 pm
From: " `�.��.���\)@R�v�sf�n@\(�`�.��.��"


"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On Nov 13, 10:12 pm, " ` . . \)@R v sf n@\( ` . . "
<the.steroid.curt...@steelers.1970s.com> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message

> I say you are out in the streets using that big mouth of yours on old
> men to earn back the cash you lost.

you know all about that sort of thing... of that i'm quite sure

your team sucks and now we know that you do as well... silly boy

You can fool yourself Michelle but those of us around Usenet for over 10
years recognized your obsessive undertones capped by your "silly boy" to be
flirtations and Michelle, Drew never plays on that side of the street
regardless of your reputation for swallowing.

Drew
`�.��.���)��v�sf�n�(�`�.��.��


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 14 2010 7:39 pm
From: " `�.��.���\)@R�v�sf�n@\(�`�.��.��"


"Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:34479ebb-f15f-4e98-a6aa-97a25e8c0245@a30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 13, 10:00 pm, " `�.��.���\)@R�v�sf�n@\(�`�.��.��"
<the.steroid.curt...@steelers.1970s.com> wrote:
> "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:76384ccb-1f24-4b26-a275-d6b4fa61b509@z17g2000prz.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 11, 11:51 pm, Still Roper <mark_edwards_2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > On the Ravens...oooo....tough Dee....
>
> > Go Jets!
>
> Ravens are one of the most overrated teams in the NFL. I like Flacco
> and Boldin a lot, but Rice is all hype, McGahee sucks and the defense
> is so ridiculously overrated that you woinder what drugs some people
> are taking. Sure Ray Lewis is a great LB, but as a unit the Ravens
> will allow opposing teams to pass all overe them. I really wish
> Schott hadn't restricted Sanvhez lkike he did in the season opener. I
> want that game back.
>
> Ravens are a good team. Far from great. Not unlike the Jets, although
> the Jets defense is significantly better.
>
> After all your hot air blowin' your wannabes still lost and you are
> wishing
> for yet another loss. Fat ass Rex Ryan isn't a has been ...he's a never
> was.
> Without the 2 game Siesta by the Colts and Bungholes, the phony Jesters
> wannabe asses would not even be associated with having a post season last
> year. Be happy for the break but don't think anyone sees the Jesters as
> anything but that... a joke. Rex will fuck up any slim chance to get to
> the
> dance and it's going to take a steelers referee type miracle to get them
> in
> again.
>
> Drew
> `�.��.���)��v�sf�n�(�`�.��.��

> shhhh. yer giving me a headache, son. Go cry somewhere else kid.

Turn your daddy's PC off then little girl. If your daddy knows you are
speaking to men online again he will punish you again by making you kiss his
gardener snake until it spits on you.
Drew
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