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Today's topics:

* Will Laff do this when Novitsky strikes out against LANCE? - 7 messages, 6
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c1e8249c0351df8e?hl=en
* Motorpacing - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3295f120eb3017de?hl=en
* Contador's closing in on Greg - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/84b40874f0a9a8c0?hl=en
* Flyover construction - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/60dbd46b4e29d3ec?hl=en
* AUSA and Team to Paris - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e8a645fe4f853e48?hl=en
* Quantitative Easing Explained - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1ee5f8e131817d39?hl=en
* Hyperinflation Bitches - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/daa0897cc5a35557?hl=en
* Blood Boosting at 1984 Olympics - the rest of the story - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/838ae03ed1a5613f?hl=en
* Transvestite? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cdb9782d80a36f5f?hl=en

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TOPIC: Will Laff do this when Novitsky strikes out against LANCE?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c1e8249c0351df8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 7:44 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


drmofe wrote:
> Is there no end to these rhetorical questions?
> Seriously, dude, other than me getting laid with two hookers and a
> Japanese schoolgirl at New Year's, what's going to happen in January?

I bet the Japanese schoolgirls brother swore she was a virgin.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 9:31 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Nov 18, 5:05 am, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 11/18/2010 4:16 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <a3fb2202-d874-4b8b-a25d-ab03d7012...@32g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
> >   DirtRoadie<DirtRoa...@aol.com>  wrote:
>
> >> On Nov 17, 5:20 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >>> On 11/17/2010 6:37 PM, Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> >>>> On Nov 17, 12:14 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com>   wrote:
> >>>>> On 11/17/2010 11:58 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>
> >>>>>>http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/108684844.html
>
> >>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>
> >>>>> ROTFL!! My, how desperate you're becoming. Come January, be sure
> >>>>> you're wearing Depends(tm) every day. You'll need them. ;-)
>
> >>>> What is going to happen in January?
>
> >>> Been on vacation in Fiji for a few months?
>
> >> You think you're being informative by posting links that anyone could
> >> locate and then dodge when someone asks you a straight question?
> >> What's up with that?
>
> > Rhetorical question, eh? There's a word for it:
> > somebody who beats around the bush and never
> > makes a categorical statement. Sweetheart?
>
> Dear FuckTards and Alzheimer Cycling Association Members,
>
> The likelihood of a January indictment was discussed here in relation to
> the following article in the NY Times.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/sports/cycling/30armstrong.html?_r=...
>
> Carry on,
> BL

Oh ho, the January deadline is set by ... the statute of
limitations expiration date!

But I thought you had explained that every time
Dopestrong denies doping, that's part of continuing
the conspiracy and extends the statute of limitations?

Fredmaster Ben


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 9:39 am
From: DirtRoadie


On Nov 18, 5:05 am, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Dear [FELLOW] FuckTards and Alzheimer Cycling Association Members,

There, the grand poobah of fucktards forgot to include himself.

> The likelihood of a January indictment was discussed here in relation to
> the following article in the NY Times.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/sports/cycling/30armstrong.html?_r=...

Wouldn't it have been much easier to have said "Come January, when
grand jury indictments, if any, should occur ..." in the first place?

That way we might know you weren't just offering a veiled threat that
none of your detractors will be invited your birthday party in
January.

DR


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 9:51 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 11/18/2010 11:39 AM, DirtRoadie wrote:
> That way we might know you weren't just offering a veiled threat that
> none of your detractors will be invited your birthday party in
> January.

If he hires Japanese schoolgirls like drmofe he might have something.

Fred Flintstein


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 10:25 am
From: BLafferty


On 11/18/2010 12:31 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Nov 18, 5:05 am, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 11/18/2010 4:16 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> In article
>>> <a3fb2202-d874-4b8b-a25d-ab03d7012...@32g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
>>> DirtRoadie<DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Nov 17, 5:20 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/17/2010 6:37 PM, Carl Sundquist wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Nov 17, 12:14 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/17/2010 11:58 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/108684844.html
>>
>>>>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>>>>>>> ROTFL!! My, how desperate you're becoming. Come January, be sure
>>>>>>> you're wearing Depends(tm) every day. You'll need them. ;-)
>>
>>>>>> What is going to happen in January?
>>
>>>>> Been on vacation in Fiji for a few months?
>>
>>>> You think you're being informative by posting links that anyone could
>>>> locate and then dodge when someone asks you a straight question?
>>>> What's up with that?
>>
>>> Rhetorical question, eh? There's a word for it:
>>> somebody who beats around the bush and never
>>> makes a categorical statement. Sweetheart?
>>
>> Dear FuckTards and Alzheimer Cycling Association Members,
>>
>> The likelihood of a January indictment was discussed here in relation to
>> the following article in the NY Times.
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/sports/cycling/30armstrong.html?_r=...
>>
>> Carry on,
>> BL
>
> Oh ho, the January deadline is set by ... the statute of
> limitations expiration date!
>
> But I thought you had explained that every time
> Dopestrong denies doping, that's part of continuing
> the conspiracy and extends the statute of limitations?
>
> Fredmaster Ben

This may be difficult for you to follow, so re-read this several times
before you type anything. The media have stated that they have been told
that the SL runs in January. However, the SL for conspiracy does not
toll if the conspirators are still taking steps to conceal and make
successful the conspiracy. Let's wait to see what the indictment
alleges. Maybe they found some nice, recent cover up conversations
between Lance, Popo, Johan and some others.

Lastly, consider this. Teams of federal investigators and Assistant US
Attorneys do not get a trip to Europe unless there's clearly fire
beneath the smoke. Lance is burnt toast, FuckWit.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 12:44 pm
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


DirtRoadie wrote:
>> That way we might know you weren't just offering a veiled threat that
>> none of your detractors will be invited your birthday party in
>> January.

Fred Flintstein wrote:
> If he hires Japanese schoolgirls like drmofe he might have something.

First the Japanese schoolgirl would have to figure out how to look like
an oriental version of LANCE's mom.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 3:39 pm
From: Anton Berlin

> Lastly, consider this.  Teams of federal investigators and Assistant US
> Attorneys do not get a trip to Europe unless there's clearly fire
> beneath the smoke. Lance is burnt toast, FuckWit.

Great point. In this economy it would be nearly impossible to
convince a bureaucrat that doing this (yet alone so open and public)
is worth it.

Even more so - they may be doing this openly just to increase the
chatter and it's certain that many of those that gave depositions are
having monitored communications.


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TOPIC: Motorpacing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3295f120eb3017de?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 9:27 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Nov 17, 11:53 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 11:15 pm, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > But I am thinking of it where the motor is supplementing the rider
> > pedaling (or vice versa). If the rider puts out 200 watts and the e-
> > rig can put out 300, 500 watts of forward motion should make for a
> > substantial motorpace vehicle.
>
> dumbass,
>
> somehow a 500W e-bike is not as fast as a bike rider that makes 500W.

Commercial e-bikes almost all have a very upright riding
position.

Time for the Gruber Assist. The only problem with a
Gruber for Carl is that he can't take full advantage of
it without local group rides, since half the point of a
Gruber would be to stealthily destroy one's fellow
Masters on weekend rides.

Fredmaster Ben


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 12:08 pm
From: Carl Sundquist


On Nov 18, 9:41 am, "Beloved Fred No. 1" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> William Fred wrote:
> >> I thought Arkansas was a cruel mistress, and that's not the same thing as a
> >> bitch.  
> drmofe wrote:
> > Arkansas is hot.
>
> But she's dry.

Nah, usually she's sweaty.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 12:09 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau


On Nov 17, 8:15 pm, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 6:21 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 10:55 am, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I know this isn't the time of year for it, but has anyone tried using
> > > using an e-bike wheel for motorpacing? Where I live there is a
> > > distinct lack of riders so consequently a lack speed training. It's
> > > even harder to find someone to drive a motor.
>
> > > With an e-bike wheel, it seems like you could alternate the wheel
> > > between bikes so that the group can self-motorpace and change
> > > "drivers" periodically, like every 30-45-60 minutes. The driver
> > > wouldn't be passive, just using the motor as a supplement. It's also
> > > less likely to get hassled by law enforcement than pacing off a
> > > motorcycle or scooter.
>
> > >http://www.electric-bikes.com/bikes/kits.html
>
> > > Thoughts?
>
> > It's a lot of money to get into motorpacing, but...
>
> > I've driven an electric scooter as a motorpace vehicle. It really
> > wasn't an e-bike: we removed the pedals.
>
> > In most cases, I think you're underestimating range and speed
> > considerations. Legalities aside, to get a e-bike to be fast enough
> > and have enough range to use this way, you'll need to spend. Because
> > you're starting with a bicycle (not an electric scooter), you're
> > limiting your battery weight and size, so you may need to go Lithium.
>
> But I am thinking of it where the motor is supplementing the rider
> pedaling (or vice versa). If the rider puts out 200 watts and the e-
> rig can put out 300, 500 watts of forward motion should make for a
> substantial motorpace vehicle.

Possibly that will be ok. I'd be very sure you get a good idea of how
long you can ride assisted, though, since that will be the limit on
this idea.

I mean, as a cost-no-object theory, I am totally ok with the idea of
using two assisted bikes to do back-and-forth motorpace training.
Smarter people than I will comment on whether using a single assisted
bike is functionally the same as motorpacing, since you get the same
combo of higher speeds and reduced wattage. You could "self-pace"
using an HRM or a crank powermeter, so that you knew you were giving
an honest effort for the speed in question.

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TOPIC: Contador's closing in on Greg
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/84b40874f0a9a8c0?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 11:16 am
From: DirtRoadie


On Nov 17, 1:35 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:

> I retract my initial statement that Contador would likely get three months
> and lose his title. Alberto's going for broke, and is going to lose
> everything. The title and two years. The positive side is that gives him *3*
> virtual wins without having to compete in two of them. Plus another virtual
> win when Astana wasn't allowed in the 'Tour. He's closing in fast on Greg.

Is there a category for "unearned" wins? Pereiro and perhaps Schleck?
Maybe even Jan will be able to join the club.
DR


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 12:50 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Nov 18, 2:58 am, "Beloved Fred No. 1" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
> > It's rumored there are chickens in Benelux with higher VO2s then
> > Lemond.
>
> Pigeons actually.

If you're looking for birds with a really high VO2max, you've got to
go with the hummingbird, > 500 ml/kg/min.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 12:59 pm
From: "A. Dumas"


Brad Anders wrote:
> On Nov 18, 2:58 am, "Beloved Fred No. 1" wrote:
>> Anton Berlin wrote:
>>> It's rumored there are chickens in Benelux with higher VO2s then
>>> Lemond.
>> Pigeons actually.
>
> If you're looking for birds with a really high VO2max, you've got to
> go with the hummingbird, > 500 ml/kg/min.

Or Emma Pooley.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 1:02 pm
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Anton Berlin wrote:
>>> It's rumored there are chickens in Benelux with higher VO2s then
>>> Lemond.

Beloved Fred No. 1 wrote:
>> Pigeons actually.

Brad Anders wrote:
> If you're looking for birds with a really high VO2max, you've got to
> go with the hummingbird,> 500 ml/kg/min.

But they're clean just like Lemond. The Belgian pigeons however are on
some good shit. In fact Contador should have claimed he ate some Belgian
pigeon instead of Spanish beef.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 7:34 pm
From: Carl Sundquist


On Nov 18, 3:02 pm, "Beloved Fred No. 1" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
> >>> It's rumored there are chickens in Benelux with higher VO2s then
> >>> Lemond.
>
> Beloved Fred No. 1 wrote:
>
> >> Pigeons actually.
> Brad Anders wrote:
> > If you're looking for birds with a really high VO2max, you've got to
> > go with the hummingbird,>  500 ml/kg/min.
>
> But they're clean just like Lemond. The Belgian pigeons however are on
> some good shit. In fact Contador should have claimed he ate some Belgian
> pigeon instead of Spanish beef.

Van der Poel already tried that one. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/dopingexcuses.html

What about Peruvian candies? Nah, too ludicrous.


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TOPIC: Flyover construction
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/60dbd46b4e29d3ec?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 12:28 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


Is it possible to construct a reliable flyover using scaffolding
and plywood or some other ramp system? Something that you could
move around in a truck and assemble at a race site?

Is anyone doing this?

Fred Flintstein


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 1:06 pm
From: "A. Dumas"


Fred Flintstein wrote:
> Is it possible to construct a reliable flyover using scaffolding
> and plywood or some other ramp system? Something that you could
> move around in a truck and assemble at a race site?
>
> Is anyone doing this?

EVERYONE in Belgium is doing that. So, yes.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 2:23 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 11/18/2010 3:06 PM, A. Dumas wrote:
> Fred Flintstein wrote:
>> Is it possible to construct a reliable flyover using scaffolding
>> and plywood or some other ramp system? Something that you could
>> move around in a truck and assemble at a race site?
>>
>> Is anyone doing this?
>
> EVERYONE in Belgium is doing that. So, yes.

In doing the google and it appears that everyone in the US is
making their flyovers out of lumber as a fixed feature of the
course. We must be dumbasses in addition to having an irony
grokking deficiency.

Never mind. The next step is to talk to a scaffolding supplier.

Fred Flintstein

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TOPIC: AUSA and Team to Paris
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e8a645fe4f853e48?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 12:54 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Nov 17, 3:02 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> I would not be surprise if the Electronic Crimes Task Force
> of the US Secret Service is also involved.

Yeah, maybe they'll get to Lance after they finish convicting Fraud
for his computer crimes.

Brad Anders


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 4:28 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<d523469d-3c46-497e-acee-d8992024de0b@o34g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Your intellectual acuity is beginning to marginally impress us - well
> done teabag voter.

What are you talking about?

--
Michael Press

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TOPIC: Quantitative Easing Explained
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1ee5f8e131817d39?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 3:49 pm
From: Anton Berlin


I take back everything bad I ever said about you.

Great post.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 4:31 pm
From: Andre


On Nov 18, 6:49 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I take back everything bad I ever said about you.
>
> Great post.

Thanks

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TOPIC: Hyperinflation Bitches
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/daa0897cc5a35557?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 3:54 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Follow up to Andre's post

Read the hyperinflation series - and the rest - especially the
comments

http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2010/08/how-hyperinflation-will-happen.html

http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2010/08/hyperinflation-part-ii-what-it-will.html

http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2010/11/two-more-nails-in-dollars-coffinthe.html


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TOPIC: Blood Boosting at 1984 Olympics - the rest of the story
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/838ae03ed1a5613f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 7:05 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 11/17/2010 8:23 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> Laff - that true? You think Lemond was clean?
>

I was hoping he'd respond.

He still claims that Lemond was clean. He's done this as recently as
last July. The July claim was noteworthy because YOU argued against him
then:
http://tinyurl.com/27ooskk

This version is classic Lafferty, good for laughs:
http://tinyurl.com/29vgjoo

The full, unequivocal, non-candyassed argument:
http://tinyurl.com/24eolq2

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TOPIC: Transvestite?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cdb9782d80a36f5f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 7:37 pm
From: Carl Sundquist


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[socialactionfoundationforequity:9377 64% youths in Gurdaspur district doing drugs

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64% youths in Gurdaspur district doing drugs
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/64-youths-in-Gurdaspur-district-doing-drugs/articleshow/6951347.cms

Sukhwinder Malhi, TNN, Nov 19, 2010,

GURDASPUR: Easy availability of proscribed synthetic drugs and other
intoxicants at chemist shops and RMP clinics in the rural belt has
increased manifold over the years and about 64% youths have been found
hooked to one or the other form of intoxicant in Gurdaspur district.

Gurdaspur Red Cross Drug De-addiction and Rehabilitation Centre, which
has come out with the report says, "Unemployment, easy availability of
drugs and police nexus with drug smugglers and sellers were some of
the factors responsible for an increase in the number of drug
addicts."

"Sale of drugs is rampant in the rural areas and drugs are being
openly sold in certain colonies of Batala, Gurdaspur and Pathankot,
where many deaths are reported every months due to drug abuse," says
the report.

Director of the Drug De-addiction and Rehabilitation Centre, Romesh
Mahajan, said the report was based on the interview of 12,570 drug
addicts admitted in the centre for de-addiction, for the last 17
years. "Majority of the addicts took synthetic drugs, while some were
addicted to poppy husk and as many as 657 were hooked to smack and
heroin. Most of the drug addicts fell in the age group of 25-30 years.
However, what was alarming was the fact that the number of adolescents
falling prey to drug abuse was increasing," he said.

Mahajan said, "The centre has been on the forefront to help police in
locating joints where drugs were being openly sold. Some drug pushers
and smugglers had even been arrested, but the big fish, somehow,
manages to evade the police net."

The report says that besides chemists shops and RMP clinics, certain
dhabas, hotels, restaurants and district taverns were also engaged in
the sale of drugs. The drug-sellers mostly carry out their business
around schools and colleges in these major cities, the report stated.

He said the Red Cross centre had sent its report to the head office at
Chandigarh for urgent attention. He urged the parents and NGOs for
their active participation in dealing with the issue of drug-addiction
by holding awareness meets and seminars in schools and colleges.

"The centre has also recommended the government not to allow the sale
of tobacco, cigarettes and liquor near educational institutions,"
Mahajan said.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:9377 Six inmates escape from Hoshiarpur juvenile home

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Six inmates escape from Hoshiarpur juvenile home
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/Six-inmates-escape-from-Hoshiarpur-juvenile-home-/articleshow/6951355.cms

TNN, Nov 19, 2010,

HOSHIARPUR: Taking advantage of the poor security arrangement in the
juvenile home (Bal Sudhar Ghar) in Ram Colony Camp, six inmates
escaped from the custody on Thursday afternoon. Director social
security has placed juvenile home superintendent Jagdish Mittar under
suspension. Police remained on their toes throughout the day,
searching for the escapees.

The inmates named Balraj Singh, Sohail Haq, Rashid Ali, Tarsem Lal,
Sameer Ahmad and Rajesh Kumar fled from the rear side of the building
by breaking the loose iron grills of the store. The door, connecting
barracks and the store, had been pulled out for repair, leaving ample
scope for their escape.

SP (detective) Randhir Singh Uppal, DSP (rural) H S parmar, SDM
Karnail Singh rushed to the spot with huge police posse and got the
area cordoned off. Jail superintendent was not present in his office
when the incident occurred. On head count, it was found that six
inmates had escaped, one of whom, Sohail Haq hailed from Bangladesh.
On the statement of warden Lakhvir Singh, a case has been registered
against them.

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NEW DELHI: India may well be on its way to becoming a superpower, but
for millions of marginalised communities -- transgenders, female sex
workers, men having sex with men (MSM), intravenous drug users (IDUs)
-- the struggle to live a life with dignity and respect continues.

These communities face an uphill battle for a government recognised
identity card cutting access to nearly all welfare schemes.
Representatives from 20 NGOs and community based organisations (CBOs)
met Planning Commission members and officials on Thursday demanding
inclusion in the government's policy planning and budget.

CFAR's Akhila Sivadas, one of the NGO partners, said, "These
communities do not want segregation, or quotas but a consideration in
the mainstream. Most of their demands relate to health, education and
welfare schemes, many of which are being run by the government but in
a piecemeal manner. There is a need for greater awareness and
interaction with the community to ensure institutional support for
these communities."

The lack of information and segregation from mainstream populations
have led to poor access to social programmes. Despite certain welfare
schemes introduced by the government, coverage is still sparse and
ineffective. According to data available with NGOs, in four states --
Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh -- only 725
people could access widow pension and 4,567 have been able to open
bank accounts. A paltry 34,678 have ration cards and 30,839 have been
able to get voter cards.

Tamil Nadu AIDS Initiative (TAI) project director R Lakshmibai pointed
out that there are nearly 50,000 sex workers only in TN. The state
government has established a welfare board, but a comprehensive policy
for inclusion is needed. "The government needs to define a
nomenclature for transgenders and sex workers and plan health and
welfare schemes taking in to account our specific needs," she said.

While sex workers complained that their children were unable to attend
mainstream schools or live in hostels, transgender community demanded
access to micro-finance, low cost housing scheme and self-help
groups.

Andhra Pradesh's Srinivas Reddy, who is working with the MSM
community, claimed that he holds a post-graduate degree in sociology.
"Many MSMs are engineers, doctors, double post-graduates, but they
can't get jobs because of the stigma attached to their sexual
orientation," he said.

IDUs have demanded that they want a comprehensive rehabilitation
scheme, and opportunities to continue education and employment. The
communities have also demanded that officials, professionals and
students be sensitised about alternative sexuality for long-term
behavioural change.

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Child Soldiers, Other Victims in Central Africa Share Personal Stories
During its recent investigation of  the Lord's Resistance Army's (LRA) crimes, Human Rights Watch researchers noticed hundreds of people in the Central African Republic wearing t-shirts bearing US President Barack Obama's image. For them, and for LRA victims in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Obama is a hero. Many even had personal messages for him.
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Today's topics:

* Motorpacing - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3295f120eb3017de?hl=en
* Contador's closing in on Greg - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/84b40874f0a9a8c0?hl=en
* Will Laff do this when Novitsky strikes out against LANCE? - 9 messages, 7
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c1e8249c0351df8e?hl=en
* AUSA and Team to Paris - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e8a645fe4f853e48?hl=en
* Damn Frogs Are After Lance AGAIN! - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Related to the Uniballer Investigation? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Where's the Beef? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Quantitative Easing Explained - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1ee5f8e131817d39?hl=en

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TOPIC: Motorpacing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3295f120eb3017de?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 17 2010 10:53 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Nov 17, 11:15 pm, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> But I am thinking of it where the motor is supplementing the rider
> pedaling (or vice versa). If the rider puts out 200 watts and the e-
> rig can put out 300, 500 watts of forward motion should make for a
> substantial motorpace vehicle.

dumbass,

somehow a 500W e-bike is not as fast as a bike rider that makes 500W.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 2:51 am
From: drmofe


On Nov 17, 5:37 pm, William Fred <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:d35c6df0-92d2-496a-b17d-
> 8ac0c09be...@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > Arkansas is a bitch. IMHO
>
> I thought Arkansas was a cruel mistress, and that's not the same thing as a
> bitch.  

Arkansas is hot.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 2:53 am
From: drmofe


On Nov 18, 5:09 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 5:11 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "so you may need to go Lithium"
>
> > Ryan - absolutely uncalled for.  No one here is suggesting that Sunny
> > is manic-depressive.
>
> > I've seen some mean cruel shit posted in RBR but this takes the
> > fucking cake.
>
> PS: how did you not work a Grame Obree joke in?

Or a Kurt Cobain joke.
He was on the verge of grokking irony, singing "I don't have a gun" on
_Come as you are_


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 5:37 am
From: Anton Berlin

> PS: how did you not work a Grame Obree joke in?

I never make fun of those that are already down and beaten for the
last few centuries. That's why Scottish jokes are off limits.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 7:41 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


William Fred wrote:
>> I thought Arkansas was a cruel mistress, and that's not the same thing as a
>> bitch.

drmofe wrote:
> Arkansas is hot.

But she's dry.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 7:43 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


drmofe wrote:
> Or a Kurt Cobain joke.
> He was on the verge of grokking irony, singing "I don't have a gun" on
> _Come as you are_

When rbr does a cover to feed starving Fatty masters we'll be singing I
swear I don't have 2 guns.

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TOPIC: Contador's closing in on Greg
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/84b40874f0a9a8c0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 1:58 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Anton Berlin wrote:
> It's rumored there are chickens in Benelux with higher VO2s then
> Lemond.

Pigeons actually.

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TOPIC: Will Laff do this when Novitsky strikes out against LANCE?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c1e8249c0351df8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 2:02 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


BLafferty wrote:
>> ROTFL!! My, how desperate you're becoming. Come January, be sure
>> you're wearing Depends(tm) every day. You'll need them. ;-)

Carl Sundquist wrote:
> What is going to happen in January?

The End Of The World (or perhaps the Mayan calender also predicted the
demise of LANCE - if you see someone with one ball on a Mayan vase
contact Lafferty).


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 1:16 am
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<a3fb2202-d874-4b8b-a25d-ab03d7012aa3@32g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
DirtRoadie <DirtRoadie@aol.com> wrote:

> On Nov 17, 5:20 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > On 11/17/2010 6:37 PM, Carl Sundquist wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 17, 12:14 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> > >> On 11/17/2010 11:58 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> >
> > >>>http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/108684844.html
> >
> > >>> Fred Flintstein
> >
> > >> ROTFL!!  My, how desperate you're becoming.  Come January, be sure
> > >> you're wearing Depends(tm) every day.  You'll need them. ;-)
> >
> > > What is going to happen in January?
> >
> > Been on vacation in Fiji for a few months?
>
> You think you're being informative by posting links that anyone could
> locate and then dodge when someone asks you a straight question?
> What's up with that?

Rhetorical question, eh? There's a word for it:
somebody who beats around the bush and never
makes a categorical statement. Sweetheart?

--
Old Fritz


== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 2:56 am
From: drmofe


On Nov 18, 1:20 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 11/17/2010 6:37 PM, Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> > On Nov 17, 12:14 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >> On 11/17/2010 11:58 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/108684844.html
>
> >>> Fred Flintstein
>
> >> ROTFL!!  My, how desperate you're becoming.  Come January, be sure
> >> you're wearing Depends(tm) every day.  You'll need them. ;-)
>
> > What is going to happen in January?
>
> Been on vacation in Fiji for a few months?

Is there no end to these rhetorical questions?
Seriously, dude, other than me getting laid with two hookers and a
Japanese schoolgirl at New Year's, what's going to happen in January?


== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 3:40 am
From: "A. Dumas"


drmofe wrote:
> Is there no end to these rhetorical questions?

Heh.


== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 4:05 am
From: BLafferty


On 11/18/2010 4:16 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> In article
> <a3fb2202-d874-4b8b-a25d-ab03d7012aa3@32g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
> DirtRoadie<DirtRoadie@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 17, 5:20� pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/17/2010 6:37 PM, Carl Sundquist wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 17, 12:14 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com> � wrote:
>>>>> On 11/17/2010 11:58 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/108684844.html
>>>
>>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>>>
>>>>> ROTFL!! � My, how desperate you're becoming. � Come January, be sure
>>>>> you're wearing Depends(tm) every day. � You'll need them. ;-)
>>>
>>>> What is going to happen in January?
>>>
>>> Been on vacation in Fiji for a few months?
>>
>> You think you're being informative by posting links that anyone could
>> locate and then dodge when someone asks you a straight question?
>> What's up with that?
>
> Rhetorical question, eh? There's a word for it:
> somebody who beats around the bush and never
> makes a categorical statement. Sweetheart?
>
Dear FuckTards and Alzheimer Cycling Association Members,

The likelihood of a January indictment was discussed here in relation to
the following article in the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/sports/cycling/30armstrong.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1290081725-c81R4h5TBll7wHkR64+1DQ

Carry on,
BL


== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 5:31 am
From: Anton Berlin


On Nov 18, 6:05 am, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 11/18/2010 4:16 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <a3fb2202-d874-4b8b-a25d-ab03d7012...@32g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
> >   DirtRoadie<DirtRoa...@aol.com>  wrote:
>
> >> On Nov 17, 5:20 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >>> On 11/17/2010 6:37 PM, Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> >>>> On Nov 17, 12:14 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com>   wrote:
> >>>>> On 11/17/2010 11:58 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>
> >>>>>>http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/108684844.html
>
> >>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>
> >>>>> ROTFL!! My, how desperate you're becoming. Come January, be sure
> >>>>> you're wearing Depends(tm) every day. You'll need them. ;-)
>
> >>>> What is going to happen in January?
>
> >>> Been on vacation in Fiji for a few months?
>
> >> You think you're being informative by posting links that anyone could
> >> locate and then dodge when someone asks you a straight question?
> >> What's up with that?
>
> > Rhetorical question, eh? There's a word for it:
> > somebody who beats around the bush and never
> > makes a categorical statement. Sweetheart?
>
> Dear FuckTards and Alzheimer Cycling Association Members,
>
> The likelihood of a January indictment was discussed here in relation to
> the following article in the NY Times.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/sports/cycling/30armstrong.html?_r=...
>
> Carry on,
> BL

I missed that one while I was in Italia


== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 6:08 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 11/18/2010 6:05 AM, BLafferty wrote:
> Dear FuckTards and Alzheimer Cycling Association Members,
>
> The likelihood of a January indictment was discussed here in relation to
> the following article in the NY Times.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/sports/cycling/30armstrong.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1290081725-c81R4h5TBll7wHkR64+1DQ

Dumbass,

Ham sandwich.

Fred Flintstein


== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 6:17 am
From: BLafferty


On 11/18/2010 9:08 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 11/18/2010 6:05 AM, BLafferty wrote:
>> Dear FuckTards and Alzheimer Cycling Association Members,
>>
>> The likelihood of a January indictment was discussed here in relation to
>> the following article in the NY Times.
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/sports/cycling/30armstrong.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1290081725-c81R4h5TBll7wHkR64+1DQ
>>
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Ham sandwich.
>
> Fred Flintstein

Try not to choke like Mama C.


== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 7:44 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


drmofe wrote:
> Is there no end to these rhetorical questions?
> Seriously, dude, other than me getting laid with two hookers and a
> Japanese schoolgirl at New Year's, what's going to happen in January?

I bet the Japanese schoolgirls brother swore she was a virgin.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 2:04 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


BLafferty wrote:
> There have been indications in the press that Novitsky is not the only
> Federal investigative agent working on this case. IIRC, the FBI is also
> involved. I would not be surprise if the Electronic Crimes Task Force
> of the US Secret Service is also involved.

They arrested Victor Bout so he can spill the beans on LANCE.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 1:23 am
From: Michael Press


In article
<ca0a0431-4dfc-47e1-88d5-d1fe70f53c23@o2g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Nov 17, 3:33 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <dccb6b2a-b07d-4f34-a1b1-d3085b78c...@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> >  Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >   I'd rather see a bulldog like Novitsky
> > > > going after cases that actually have an impact on public health. But,
> > > > I guess that wouldn't get him the kind of press coverage he craves,
> > > > huh?
> >
> > > This is Amerika and Ayn Rand says I can smoke - eat- drink and fuck
> > > whatever I want.  And when my fat cancerous spotted liver needs a
> > > transplant - I expect the rest of you bastards to pay for it.
> >
> > Ayn Rand says your eyeballs can go bright yellow
> > as we stand around, point, and laugh at you.
>
> No Fritz, you dying rotting heap of gray matter, the fuck nuts that
> subscribe to Ayn Rand only do so until they need help from others.
> The banks in Ireland are the example for today.

You miss the point. I will explain it to you for five cents.

<http://web.wm.edu/amst/370/2005/sp1/images/lucy%20doctor%20stand.jpg?svr=www>

--
Michael Press


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 5:41 am
From: Anton Berlin

> Michael Press

Your intellectual acuity is beginning to marginally impress us - well
done teabag voter.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 2:07 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Anton Berlin wrote:
> God damn French - I am going to buy a case of 1990 Margaux and pour it
> down the gutter just to prove to them how stupid they are.
>
> From now on it's freedom fries, freedom toast and smells like a
> freedom whore for me.

Freedom whores must be fat.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 4:15 am
From: BLafferty


On 11/18/2010 5:07 AM, Beloved Fred No. 1 wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
>> God damn French - I am going to buy a case of 1990 Margaux and pour it
>> down the gutter just to prove to them how stupid they are.
>>
>> From now on it's freedom fries, freedom toast and smells like a
>> freedom whore for me.
>
> Freedom whores must be fat.

No. Freedom whores must look like Lance's mother.

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TOPIC: Related to the Uniballer Investigation?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 3:59 am
From: BLafferty


On 11/13/2010 1:53 PM, BLafferty wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-police-search-popovychs-home-in-tuscany
>
>
> Time will tell.
And it has.

Cyclist Yaroslav Popovych has become one of the central figures in the
Lance Armstrong doping investigation. US investigators met with the
Italian police yesterday in Lyon, France, to review information and
property it seized in a raid of Popovych's home Thursday.

Police agents seized a computer and mobile telephones from Popovych's
home in Tuscany. The raid is part of an investigation in Padova and also
key to an investigation centred on Popovych's American team-mate, Armstrong.

Read more:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6398/Armstrong-case-Investigators-meet-with-Italians.aspx#ixzz15dOhi8Ps


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 5:33 am
From: Anton Berlin


On Nov 15, 10:55 pm, "derFah...@gmail.com" <derfah...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Nov 15, 10:00 am, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote
>
> > :-)
>
> lol man, Lance is going to have to get off the trainer and kick your
> ass
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqSBZ8Xsjiw

Only a ball gargler would post that link or some other kind of
deutschebag

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 4:15 am
From: BLafferty


On 11/17/2010 9:59 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:958ba654-29ff-4af3-b3c2-a21314468738@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 17, 5:46 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> wrote:
>> "DirtRoadie" <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fedf83e9-abd2-4daf-ac43-1bc3f3e3ec3e@v23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 17, 1:21 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
>> wrote:> "BLafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>
>> ==============
>> Who knows.
>>
>> But I especially liked the part in the ElPais article:
>> "Clearly, farmers that use illegal methods never slaughter their
>> illegally fattened animals until 20 days after the last dose of
>> clenbuterol to evade controls," the report reads
>>
>> Clearly...
>> Never...
>>
>> It's as if they are saying "Hey Alberto we know they do it but since
>> THEY never make mistakes, you're guilty, dude!."
>>
>> DR
>> ===============
>>
>> Clearly this was somebody's sacred cow. Why else would it have also been
>> hooked up to an IV?
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
> ======
> As you know there are at least a few legitimate reasons for IV
> fluids. But coupled with the positive clen it's hard to think of
> any.
> ======
>
> Are there *any* remaining uses of an IV for a professional cyclist that
> don't require authorization as essential from someone in the medical
> profession?
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:958ba654-29ff-4af3-b3c2-a21314468738@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 17, 5:46 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> wrote:
>> "DirtRoadie" <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fedf83e9-abd2-4daf-ac43-1bc3f3e3ec3e@v23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 17, 1:21 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
>> wrote:> "BLafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>
>> ==============
>> Who knows.
>>
>> But I especially liked the part in the ElPais article:
>> "Clearly, farmers that use illegal methods never slaughter their
>> illegally fattened animals until 20 days after the last dose of
>> clenbuterol to evade controls," the report reads
>>
>> Clearly...
>> Never...
>>
>> It's as if they are saying "Hey Alberto we know they do it but since
>> THEY never make mistakes, you're guilty, dude!."
>>
>> DR
>> ===============
>>
>> Clearly this was somebody's sacred cow. Why else would it have also been
>> hooked up to an IV?
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> As you know there are at least a few legitimate reasons for IV
> fluids. But coupled with the positive clen it's hard to think of
> any.
Not that I know of.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 18 2010 6:45 am
From: Andre


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k&feature=related


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