Monday, November 22, 2010

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Today's topics:

* OT sort of... Childress canned - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/bb101feb48703192?hl=en
* WAY OT: Fusion reactor development - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f32887974bbff7eb?hl=en
* How 'bout that Sanchez!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/69ef480c3b60372a?hl=en
* My holiday wish... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a6530a411f4066c9?hl=en
* Just one thing... - 11 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/79f23418fef74369?hl=en
* Happy Thanksgiving to All - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/9b1f2cc94dc2e034?hl=en
* Week 10 Ratings - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5dee5184cc1fa610?hl=en
* Brad Smith - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1e21a84d60f39765?hl=en
* 8-2 = Second-best start in all 51 years of franchise history. - 1 messages,
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TOPIC: OT sort of... Childress canned
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/bb101feb48703192?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 6:08 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:42:42 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Nov 22, 5:35 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:32:34 -0800 (PST), John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>> >> Just heard on 1050 ESPN... Childress was shit-canned.
>>
>> >> Not so sure he is to blame over there...
>>
>> >Your first opening for Schott.
>>
>> Nah, Turner may be on his way out in SD.
>> Me thinks that may be Schott's *destiny,* with his ties there.
>
>I thought there was bad blood there due to Marty?

Didn't he stay, though, after his dad was canned... or did they leave together?


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 7:39 pm
From: Michael


On Nov 22, 9:07 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:30:54 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Nov 22, 7:27 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:35:52 -0500 buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:32:34 -0800 (PST), John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >> >>> Just heard on 1050 ESPN... Childress was shit-canned.
>
> >> >>> Not so sure he is to blame over there...
>
> >> >>Your first opening for Schott.
>
> >> >Nah, Turner may be on his way out in SD.
> >> >Me thinks that may be Schott's *destiny,* with his ties there.
>
> >> Schotty hates the SD GM for firing his dad. I doubt he would go back
> >> there under the current regime.
> >> --
> >> graybeard
>
> >how about Norv for the Jets OC job ??? If not Kubiak, why not Norv ???
> >Norv is only a loser as a HC.  I like his style of offense.
>
> I just hate looking at Norv  ;)
>
> Who has Rex worked with?
> That would be who I think he'd bring in.
> Billick?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

billick was talking shit about rex. i dont expect billick would be in
the running..


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 8:02 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 11/22/2010 4:30 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Nov 22, 7:27 pm, graybeard<graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:35:52 -0500 buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:32:34 -0800 (PST), John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>>>>> Just heard on 1050 ESPN... Childress was shit-canned.
>>
>>>>> Not so sure he is to blame over there...
>>
>>>> Your first opening for Schott.
>>
>>> Nah, Turner may be on his way out in SD.
>>> Me thinks that may be Schott's *destiny,* with his ties there.
>>
>> Schotty hates the SD GM for firing his dad. I doubt he would go back
>> there under the current regime.
>> --
>> graybeard
>
> how about Norv for the Jets OC job ??? If not Kubiak, why not Norv ???
> Norv is only a loser as a HC. I like his style of offense.

That San Diego tree only produces rotten fruit. Anything that comes
from California is lousy by nature... Hey, wait a minute...


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 8:03 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 11/22/2010 6:07 PM, buRford wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:30:54 -0800 (PST), Michael<mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 22, 7:27 pm, graybeard<graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:35:52 -0500 buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:32:34 -0800 (PST), John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>
>>>>>> Just heard on 1050 ESPN... Childress was shit-canned.
>>>
>>>>>> Not so sure he is to blame over there...
>>>
>>>>> Your first opening for Schott.
>>>
>>>> Nah, Turner may be on his way out in SD.
>>>> Me thinks that may be Schott's *destiny,* with his ties there.
>>>
>>> Schotty hates the SD GM for firing his dad. I doubt he would go back
>>> there under the current regime.
>>> --
>>> graybeard
>>
>> how about Norv for the Jets OC job ??? If not Kubiak, why not Norv ???
>> Norv is only a loser as a HC. I like his style of offense.
>
> I just hate looking at Norv ;)
>
> Who has Rex worked with?
> That would be who I think he'd bring in.
> Billick?

Callahan's still around, although his O-line did do a rotten job this
past Sunday.

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TOPIC: WAY OT: Fusion reactor development
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f32887974bbff7eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 6:27 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Nov 22, 1:08 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Since there have been a few threads in here about energy policy and
> the evils of fossil fules...
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1329611/2-2bn-superlab...
>
> I have been following this one.  It has some real promise.  I'd expect
> that we'll probably have fusion reactors inside of twenty years.
> This would be even better than SBSP

Fusion is dangerous!

What if criminals and prison parolees get a hold of fusion???

There will be massive con-fusion!!!

mr dude (try the veal, please remember to tip your waitress)

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TOPIC: How 'bout that Sanchez!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/69ef480c3b60372a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 7:11 pm
From: BicketyBam


buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in
news:71nje6dj0pf08vsu7m2evnpa48qep394f4@4ax.com:

> On 21 Nov 2010 23:18:05 GMT, BicketyBam <Blowme@joemama.net> wrote:
>
>>buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in
>>news:4n2je69eqasl0fe1su27cl10gskn969b48@4ax.com:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>It would be nice if the discussion focused on his clutch play and
>>movement in the pocket and not the OC's play calling. It would be a
>>nice change.
>
> Focus on what you want to focus on. All you whiners act like someone
> is making you read posts, of people you disagree with. Just ignore
> them, and stop whining.

Good advice.

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TOPIC: My holiday wish...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a6530a411f4066c9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 7:33 pm
From: graybeard


On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:44:37 -0800 (PST) Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net>
wrote:

>On Nov 22, 7:14 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:36:50 -0800 (PST) Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Schotty gets high praise by the media and Jets staff.  He gets a good
>> >oppertunity for a HC job and moves on in his career.
>>
>> >Kubiak gets scape goated.  He gets fired.  The Jets hire him for
>> >offensive coordinator.
>>
>> >I really like what Kubiak does.  Their offense is polished, innovative
>> >and explosive.  Schaub also appears to be very well coached.
>>
>> However, if Kubiak is fired and Kyle Shanahan gets a head coaching job,
>> Shanahan senior will almost certainly go after Kubiak to be his OC
>> again.
>> --
>> graybeard
>
>how about Norv as Jets OC ???

The way the Chargers are playing, I think Norv may keep his job.
--
graybeard


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 7:41 pm
From: Michael


On Nov 22, 10:33 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:44:37 -0800 (PST) Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 22, 7:14 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:36:50 -0800 (PST) Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Schotty gets high praise by the media and Jets staff.  He gets a good
> >> >oppertunity for a HC job and moves on in his career.
>
> >> >Kubiak gets scape goated.  He gets fired.  The Jets hire him for
> >> >offensive coordinator.
>
> >> >I really like what Kubiak does.  Their offense is polished, innovative
> >> >and explosive.  Schaub also appears to be very well coached.
>
> >> However, if Kubiak is fired and Kyle Shanahan gets a head coaching job,
> >> Shanahan senior will almost certainly go after Kubiak to be his OC
> >> again.
> >> --
> >> graybeard
>
> >how about Norv as Jets OC ???
>
> The way the Chargers are playing, I think Norv may keep his job.
> --
> graybeard- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

unless the jets beat them again in the playoffs :-)

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TOPIC: Just one thing...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/79f23418fef74369?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 8:09 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 11/22/2010 5:01 PM, Grinch wrote:
> On Nov 22, 4:44 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 06:28:27 -0800 (PST), John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>>> buRf, I think that is a fair comment. You do realize that calling
>>> someone an apologist is name calling and a frequent tool of the anti-
>>> Schott gang?
>>
>> I've never used THAT word ;)
>
> Don't apologize for the apologists!
>
>> I just get tired of all the personal comments.
>
> So do I. I hate it that people take things personally. I want Papa
> and Glenn to come back.
>
> Thus I am adopting a new rule for myself: From now on I will never
> criticize what anybody else says in a response to their post. If I
> have a difference I'll put it one of my own that will not name anyone
> personally, or be personally critical of anyone.
>
> One problem with usenet is these posts don't carry tone of language,
> like humor or irony or winking, so what may be intended as a comment
> about the game or an objective disagreement or a friendly tease comes
> off as a jab at the person, then comes the reply, repeat, then the
> group shrinks by a couple more. What could easlily be said with fun
> over beers in sports bar winds up in a usenet fistfight. So I'm not
> going there any more.
>
> I have never, ever, ever, meant to zing anyone *personally* in this
> group (other than the trolls who deserve it). But I know sometimes it
> comes off that way. I hereby apologize to anyone who thinks they are
> owed one.
>
> Now, there is a catch with this new nice-guy policy of mine: usenet
> is all about arguing and flame wars and calling each other idiots. We
> all enjoy it as some level or we wouldn't still be here. I don't want
> to cut myself off from all that fun.
>
> So, if any of you want to call me an idiot or moron, put on your
> asbestos suit, put it in a reply to a post of mine and we'll have some
> fun. (I'm talking to you, Johnny!) I won't take it personally

And if you ever thought that anything that I said to you was meant
personally, then you ARE the granite headed stats geek that you claim to
be. So there!

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 8:11 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 11/22/2010 2:39 PM, buRford wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:17:22 -0800 (PST), John C TX<johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>>>> I'm with ya on this. Ever watch Peyton? Forget the passer for a minute,
>>>> and realize that he has a man open, at least midrange, on every freaking
>>>> play. No matter how many guys are on IR. Whoever gets plugged in, somehow
>>>> gets open. Why do we have a 50% passer, that has to wait until the end of
>>>> the game to find people?
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>> It's because the players can just play in crunchtime, not being weighed down by all of
>>> Schott's nonsense.
>>
>> or it could be they are playing a softer defense?
>>
>> buRf how many time this week& last did he not deliver the ball to the
>> receiver? If he improves his throws they are up by 20-30 points.
>>
>> btw Edwards also said they aren't getting the easy things done. You
>> just did a Maddow on us.
>>
>> :)
>
>
> Or... you see things that don't exist ;)

Now THAT's a shot, or a Schott..., or a Schitty comment.


== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 8:25 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 11/22/2010 4:53 PM, Tutor wrote:
> On Nov 22, 5:29 pm, Johnny Morongo
> <j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
>> On 11/22/2010 10:54 AM, Tutor wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 22, 9:28 am, John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>>>> buRf, I think that is a fair comment. You do realize that calling
>>>> someone an apologist is name calling and a frequent tool of the anti-
>>>> Schott gang?
>>
>>> yeah.. .it's a very clever little remark used often as an indirect
>>> jab. And in this group, you are labeled an "apologist" if you are not
>>> 100% completely and unequivocally against everything Schott does.
>>> It's absolutely impossible to be allowed to be critical but yet
>>> supportive and optimistic. Giving credit when credit is due quickly
>>> moves one over to the "apologist - missing the obvious side of the
>>> ledger". Funny thing is I do not see anyone here who claims Schjott is
>>> great. I have had serious concerns about him through the years but I
>>> also see the great things that have resulted at times because of his
>>> game plan.. not ''in spite" of his game plan as the Anti-Schott
>>> Militia continually contend.
>>
>>> Again, Schott gives us our best "shot" to reach the Superbowl this
>>> year and next. I'd roll with Kubiak or another, but bear in mind that
>>> such a move would require a few steps back to move forward in all
>>> likelihood.
>>
>> Tut, you're just way over the top on your constant criticism of the
>> anti-Schitt gang here. WAAAY over. Keep on screaming about us as
>> though someone will hear ya.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> no I'm not johnny. The passion for negativity here just gets to me
> when we the teram is doing well. I'm not averse to criticism of the
> FO, coaching and players, but you guys fail to acknolwedge small, even
> large successes and do tend to jump all over anyone who has anything
> positive to say, particularly if it is about Schott during the season
> and Tanny during the off season. Step back and take a look. You guys
> are so maniacal of your condemnation of Schott (and Tannenbaum
> usually) that others choose not to post here anymore because anything
> positive is just shot down immediately. Over the top? That's more a
> description of the Anti-Schott Militia stormtrooping that goes on in
> this group after every game, win or lose. Once the offseason comes,
> it will revert back to Tannenbaum, who IMO as done a great job for the
> most part.

Tut, you ignorant slut. Take a look at some of my more recent posts and
you'll see that, every so often, I DO give Schott his props. For
example, the last two calls against the Texans were pretty close to
brilliant. If I still maintain that he's not a great OC by any stretch
of the imagination, that he often seems to pull calls from out of his
ass and that his offense has no rhythm, that doesn't make me a
stormtrooper who scares people out of the NG.

his is what makes me say that you're "over the top." If you have a
different opinion of him, or of anything else that I might say, I'll
hear it and reserve the right to express my opinion right back at ya,
without having to put up with you calling me names, slut.

PS This is Usenet, right?


== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 9:14 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:56:33 -0800 (PST), Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:

>On Nov 22, 8:52�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:01:28 -0800 (PST), Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just make yer case in response, asshole. �
>> No need to call anyone names �;)
>
>I'm the rubber, you're the glue!
>
>Take *that* !

Oh man... I'm speechless!
Ya got me... I am humbled.


== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 9:16 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:09:06 -0800, Johnny Morongo <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
wrote:

>On 11/22/2010 5:01 PM, Grinch wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 4:44 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 06:28:27 -0800 (PST), John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>
>>>> buRf, I think that is a fair comment. You do realize that calling
>>>> someone an apologist is name calling and a frequent tool of the anti-
>>>> Schott gang?
>>>
>>> I've never used THAT word ;)
>>
>> Don't apologize for the apologists!
>>
>>> I just get tired of all the personal comments.
>>
>> So do I. I hate it that people take things personally. I want Papa
>> and Glenn to come back.
>>
>> Thus I am adopting a new rule for myself: From now on I will never
>> criticize what anybody else says in a response to their post. If I
>> have a difference I'll put it one of my own that will not name anyone
>> personally, or be personally critical of anyone.
>>
>> One problem with usenet is these posts don't carry tone of language,
>> like humor or irony or winking, so what may be intended as a comment
>> about the game or an objective disagreement or a friendly tease comes
>> off as a jab at the person, then comes the reply, repeat, then the
>> group shrinks by a couple more. What could easlily be said with fun
>> over beers in sports bar winds up in a usenet fistfight. So I'm not
>> going there any more.
>>
>> I have never, ever, ever, meant to zing anyone *personally* in this
>> group (other than the trolls who deserve it). But I know sometimes it
>> comes off that way. I hereby apologize to anyone who thinks they are
>> owed one.
>>
>> Now, there is a catch with this new nice-guy policy of mine: usenet
>> is all about arguing and flame wars and calling each other idiots. We
>> all enjoy it as some level or we wouldn't still be here. I don't want
>> to cut myself off from all that fun.
>>
>> So, if any of you want to call me an idiot or moron, put on your
>> asbestos suit, put it in a reply to a post of mine and we'll have some
>> fun. (I'm talking to you, Johnny!) I won't take it personally
>
>And if you ever thought that anything that I said to you was meant
>personally, then you ARE the granite headed stats geek that you claim to
>be. So there!

I see retrogression is becoming the neato thing, in this NG.
Solid... I'm in... it's my new bag!


== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 9:58 pm
From: Tutor


On Nov 22, 8:58 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:57:38 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 22, 5:17 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >> > >   I'm with ya on this. Ever watch Peyton? Forget the passer for a minute,
> >> > >and realize that he has a man open, at least midrange, on every freaking
> >> > >play. No matter how many guys are on IR. Whoever gets plugged in, somehow
> >> > >gets open. Why do we have a 50% passer, that has to wait until the end of
> >> > >the game to find people?
>
> >> > Exactly.
> >> > It's because the players can just play in crunchtime, not being weighed down by all of
> >> > Schott's nonsense.
>
> >> or it could be they are playing a softer defense?
>
> >> buRf how many time this week & last did he not deliver the ball to the
> >> receiver? If he improves his throws they are up by 20-30   points.
>
> >> btw Edwards also said they aren't getting the easy things done.  You
> >> just did a Maddow on us.
>
> >> :)
>
> >some of Sanchez's throws are just way off, particularly the deep
> >ones.  He overthrows and has a huge arc on the ball and I'm not sure
> >why because he does way better with those when he is under pressure.
> >Had some of those bad throws been a little more accurate earlier in
> >the game then the defense would have had to collapse way more than it
> >did to let Houston back into the game.  Also, the OL just can't get it
> >done the last few weeks.  it has regressed.  Slausson playing poorly
> >with the knee and now Woody out.  Yikes.
>
> He's really had a problem deep, since he's been here.
> That one to Braylon, a few weeks ago, was the first I can remember he hit, in stride.
> That one to Braylon on Sunday, at the end of the game, was perfect.
>
> Even Mangold looked terrible yesterday, a couple of times he was just standing looking
> around.
> The whole offense is a mess, except in crunchtime.  They need to speed up the tempo, and
> cut down on all the presnap crap.  Just watch the opposing D before the snap.  They just
> stand pat... it fools nobody, except our offense.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

agree entirely.


== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 10:07 pm
From: Tutor


On Nov 22, 11:25 pm, Johnny Morongo
<j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
> On 11/22/2010 4:53 PM, Tutor wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 5:29 pm, Johnny Morongo
> > <j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com>  wrote:
> >> On 11/22/2010 10:54 AM, Tutor wrote:
>
> >>> On Nov 22, 9:28 am, John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com>    wrote:
> >>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >>>> buRf, I think that is a fair comment.   You do realize that calling
> >>>> someone an apologist is name calling and a frequent tool of the anti-
> >>>> Schott gang?
>
> >>> yeah.. .it's a very clever little remark used often as an indirect
> >>> jab.  And in this group, you are labeled an "apologist" if you are not
> >>> 100% completely and unequivocally against everything Schott does.
> >>> It's absolutely impossible to be allowed to be critical but yet
> >>> supportive and optimistic. Giving credit when credit is due quickly
> >>> moves one over to the "apologist - missing the obvious side of the
> >>> ledger". Funny thing is I do not see anyone here who claims Schjott is
> >>> great.  I have had serious concerns about him through the years but I
> >>> also see the great things that have resulted at times because of his
> >>> game plan.. not ''in spite" of his game plan as the Anti-Schott
> >>> Militia continually contend.
>
> >>> Again, Schott gives us our best "shot" to reach the Superbowl this
> >>> year and next.  I'd roll with Kubiak or another, but bear in mind that
> >>> such a move would require a few steps back to move forward in all
> >>> likelihood.
>
> >> Tut, you're just way over the top on your constant criticism of the
> >> anti-Schitt gang here.  WAAAY over.  Keep on screaming about us as
> >> though someone will hear ya.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > no I'm not johnny.  The passion for negativity here just gets to me
> > when we the teram is doing well.  I'm not averse to criticism of the
> > FO, coaching and players, but you guys fail to acknolwedge small, even
> > large successes and do tend to jump all over anyone who has anything
> > positive to say, particularly if it is about Schott during the season
> > and Tanny during the off season.  Step back and take a look.  You guys
> > are so maniacal of your condemnation of Schott (and Tannenbaum
> > usually) that others choose not to post here anymore because anything
> > positive is just shot down immediately.  Over the top?  That's more a
> > description of the Anti-Schott Militia stormtrooping that goes on in
> > this group after every game, win or lose.  Once the offseason comes,
> > it will revert back to Tannenbaum, who IMO as done a great job for the
> > most part.
>
> Tut, you ignorant slut.  Take a look at some of my more recent posts and
> you'll see that, every so often, I DO give Schott his props.  For
> example, the last two calls against the Texans were pretty close to
> brilliant.  If I still maintain that he's not a great OC by any stretch
> of the imagination, that he often seems to pull calls from out of his
> ass and that his offense has no rhythm, that doesn't make me a
> stormtrooper who scares people out of the NG.
>
> his is what makes me say that you're "over the top."  If you have a
> different opinion of him, or of anything else that I might say, I'll
> hear it and reserve the right to express my opinion right back at ya,
> without having to put up with you calling me names, slut.
>
> PS  This is Usenet, right?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Was it not you, Johnny Morongo who called me Mrs. Schott or Mrs
Tannenbaum and other assorted snide things more than once the times I
have given them props? Sorry my friend but that's several steps
beyond "hearing a different opinion and reserving the right to express
your opinion....." Come on man... you are first in line to
namecall... laet's not be shy about that.


== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 10:10 pm
From: "JKConey"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20d431a0-e857-4df9-9c2b-2c6d96bcf548@g2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>> > I'm with ya on this. Ever watch Peyton? Forget the passer for a
>> > minute,
>> >and realize that he has a man open, at least midrange, on every freaking
>> >play. No matter how many guys are on IR. Whoever gets plugged in,
>> >somehow
>> >gets open. Why do we have a 50% passer, that has to wait until the end
>> >of
>> >the game to find people?
>>
>> Exactly.
>> It's because the players can just play in crunchtime, not being weighed
>> down by all of
>> Schott's nonsense.
>
> or it could be they are playing a softer defense?
>


Doesn't seem to matter to Peyton or Brady who's playing. I'm not saying
he's throwing it 30 yards every play, it's just that there's ALWAYS at least
one guy open. Sanchez can't find ANYONE open most of the game. Why is that?
Is it him, slow to read, or slow to fire? Can't be that these guys aren't
open ALL THE TIME? Looks like he misses his chance, and then has to run. His
best games are slightly over 50%.

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== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 10:20 pm
From: "JKConey"

"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ice4eo$ms1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> I'm with ya on this. Ever watch Peyton? Forget the passer for a minute,
> and realize that he has a man open, at least midrange, on every freaking
> play. No matter how many guys are on IR. Whoever gets plugged in, somehow
> gets open. Why do we have a 50% passer, that has to wait until the end of
> the game to find people?
>


If Sanchez does find someone, he has to drill him in between defenders
for a few yards, or an out for 10-12. Collie, Wayne, Clark, Welker, or
whoever they pickup on the waiver wire that week....these guys consistently
get WIDE OPEN at least 8 times a game? Is it the QB? Is it the WR's? Ours
are just as good. Is it the game plan? I'm trying not to bellyache, but I'm
telling ya the kid has a very long way to go, or needs a new OC.

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== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 11:14 pm
From: Grinch


On Nov 22, 11:09 pm, Johnny Morongo
<j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
> On 11/22/2010 5:01 PM, Grinch wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 4:44 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com>  wrote:
> >> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 06:28:27 -0800 (PST), John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >>> buRf, I think that is a fair comment.   You do realize that calling
> >>> someone an apologist is name calling and a frequent tool of the anti-
> >>> Schott gang?
>
> >> I've never used THAT word  ;)
>
> > Don't apologize for the apologists!
>
> >> I just get tired of all the personal comments.
>
> > So do I.  I hate it that people take things personally.  I want Papa
> > and Glenn to come back.
>
> > Thus I am adopting a new rule for myself:  From now on I will never
> > criticize what anybody else says in a response to their post.  If I
> > have a difference I'll put it one of my own that will not name anyone
> > personally, or be personally critical of anyone.
>
> > One problem with usenet is these posts don't carry tone of language,
> > like humor or irony or winking, so what may be intended as a comment
> > about the game or an objective disagreement or a friendly tease comes
> > off as a jab at the person, then comes the reply, repeat, then the
> > group shrinks by a couple more. What could easlily be said with fun
> > over beers in sports bar winds up in a usenet fistfight. So I'm not
> > going there any more.
>
> > I have never, ever, ever, meant to zing anyone *personally* in this
> > group (other than the trolls who deserve it). But I know sometimes it
> > comes off that way.  I hereby apologize to anyone who thinks they are
> > owed one.
>
> > Now, there is a catch with this new nice-guy policy of mine:  usenet
> > is all about arguing and flame wars and calling each other idiots. We
> > all enjoy it as some level or we wouldn't still be here. I don't want
> > to cut myself off from all that fun.
>
> > So, if any of you want to call me an idiot or moron, put on your
> > asbestos suit, put it in a reply to a post of mine and we'll have some
> > fun.  (I'm talking to you, Johnny!)  I won't take it personally
>
> And if you ever thought that anything that I said to you was meant
> personally, then you ARE the granite headed stats geek that you claim to
> be.  So there!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

*You* I take seriously.

You don't know what I look like, and someday somebody's going to be
hanging around your front door with a baseball bat...

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 11:23 pm
From: Grinch


On Nov 23, 1:10 am, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:20d431a0-e857-4df9-9c2b-2c6d96bcf548@g2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >> >   I'm with ya on this. Ever watch Peyton? Forget the passer for a
> >> > minute,
> >> >and realize that he has a man open, at least midrange, on every freaking
> >> >play. No matter how many guys are on IR. Whoever gets plugged in,
> >> >somehow
> >> >gets open. Why do we have a 50% passer, that has to wait until the end
> >> >of
> >> >the game to find people?
>
> >> Exactly.
> >> It's because the players can just play in crunchtime, not being weighed
> >> down by all of
> >> Schott's nonsense.
>
> > or it could be they are playing a softer defense?
>
>    Doesn't seem to matter to Peyton or Brady who's playing. I'm not saying
> he's throwing it 30 yards every play, it's just that there's ALWAYS at least
> one guy open. Sanchez can't find ANYONE open most of the game. Why is that?
> Is it him, slow to read, or slow to fire? Can't be that these guys aren't
> open ALL THE TIME? Looks like he misses his chance, and then has to run. His
> best games are slightly over 50%.

The Sanchize has notably improved in a number of ways, but still has
accuracy issues. His 55% in a league where average is 61% and the good
ones are 65+% leaves ample room for improvement.


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 8:33 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 11/22/2010 3:27 PM, papa.carl44 wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman"<harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> news:harlan-E0F5D5.22054121112010@news60.forteinc.com...
>> Well I am off to the big City for the parade and a much smaller than
>> usual family get together.
>>
>> Here is to everyone having a Thanksgiving worth celebrating.
>>
>> harlan
>
> I wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving...lots of family, turkey and football.
> Be well, Papa Carl
>
>

Hey! You quit us, so don't come around here now with your crocodile
tears and phony well wishes. We know you hate us. Now go back to your
part of the swamp and leave us to our foul-mouthed rants about football,
something about which you obviously know nothing.

So there.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 9:11 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:33:15 -0800, Johnny Morongo <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
wrote:

>On 11/22/2010 3:27 PM, papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "Harlan Lachman"<harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>> news:harlan-E0F5D5.22054121112010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>> Well I am off to the big City for the parade and a much smaller than
>>> usual family get together.
>>>
>>> Here is to everyone having a Thanksgiving worth celebrating.
>>>
>>> harlan
>>
>> I wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving...lots of family, turkey and football.
>> Be well, Papa Carl
>>
>>
>
>Hey! You quit us, so don't come around here now with your crocodile
>tears and phony well wishes. We know you hate us. Now go back to your
>part of the swamp and leave us to our foul-mouthed rants about football,
>something about which you obviously know nothing.
>
>So there.

Yeah, you tell 'im, Gramps ;)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 8:45 pm
From: Julio


In article <017b2a71-b8d5-4526-99ee-18ffc08e7bc6@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:
> You Elo rate the games. In the cases where one won both you come out
> with an 800-point difference, over a 100% chance of winning in the
> future. If you rate all four cases, the "average error" is 400 points
> after 2 games -- a 92% chance of winning/losing against an exactly
> equal opponent. Neither exact nor approximate!

No idea where you get that. There is no 800 point difference on
winning two games, each game gets a rating and those ratings are
factored into the average rating of the winning team. You beat
someone rated 1500, your game rating is 1900, you do it again, your
game rating is 1900 and your overall rating is 1900 if you've only
played two games, some other number if you've played more. If your
rating after 5 games was 1700, and you beat two 1500 teams, then
your rating would be ((5*1700) + (2*1900))/7.

No rating system can accurately rate teams with only 16 games and
where no team plays every other team. Of course my rating system is
an approximation. So is the football outsiders rating system, which
couldn't predict GB beating the Jets either. And I don't think any rating
system in the world could have predicted they would be shut out at
home after a bye (a bizarre result in itself regardless of the relative
rating of the two teams).

I've already stated in previous arguments in previous years that you
could get a similar ranking by multiplying the teams winning percentage
by the winning percentage of its opponents. But my system, particularly
later in the season, is good at predicting winners. The week 10 rankings
picked 12, maybe 13 of this weeks 16 games correctly, pending Monday night's
game. There is no reason at all for you to pay attention to it, it's just
there for anyone who is interested.

J.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 10:05 pm
From: "JKConey"


OK he deserves a thread. Don't get mw wrong, I love the guy. The question
from me is, when will they let him throw a pass? I don't expect him to throw
it often. If it's obvious to everyone in the world that it's going to be a
run, doesn't that kind of help the defense a little? Why not have him heave
one downfield early in a game, even just to throw it away on a 2nd and
short? Could this be Shott's "save this for playoffs" thingie?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 10:17 pm
From: MuahMan


On Nov 22, 2:17 am, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Only the '86 team started with more wins.
>
> None of the others had more than 7 in 10 games.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> (And don't think about how the '86 season turned out.)

Now that's just sad.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 21 2010 10:30 pm
From: Grinch


On Nov 20, 8:36 am, Julio <hoolio3sanc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <836fe80d-694f-422c-9d39-6ff3f21c3...@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
>
> Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 18, 11:24=A0pm, Julio <hoolio3sanc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > In article <4b24e66f-5140-42d4-b5d6-ea0aa7183...@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups=
> > .com>
>
> > > Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 16, 9:46=3DA0pm, Julio <hoolio3sanc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > As usual, a 100 point difference means the higher rated
> > > > > teams wins 62.5% of the time; 200 pts: 75%; 300 pts: 85%;
> > > > > 400 pts: 95%.
>
> > > > Those numbers look like the Elo Chess rating system. =A0It's now used t=
> > o
> > > > produce the rankings for golf pros, tennis pros, all kinds of
> > > > competitors, even universities competing for students, so that's OK.
>
> > > > But Sagarin produces an Elo ranking for the NFL and it has the Jets
> > > > 5th.
>
> > > I've pointed out in earlier seasons that this rating system is the
> > > Elo system.
>
> > But Dude, you're not following the rules of the Elo system.
>
> > It uses binary W/L outcomes so it needs a significant number of them
> > to come up with a meaningful rating.
>
> > E.g, the USCF requires 26 games for an Elo rating. With 2 or 4 or 9
> > the margin of error is *immense*, which one can see in the huge
> > distances you've got between teams here.
>
> That's not true. You get a provisional rating below 100 games.

100 games? Say "26 games".

And do you think you are helping your case by saying the USCF requires
100 games for an Elo rating but you can do it in 9? :-)

A "provisional rating" you can get with *zero* games. It's just an
estimate they slap on you. The error margin is, you know, *huge*.
That's why players with them aren't eligible for the many valuable
prizes and goodies of the chess world.

> Nobody
> starts out playing 26 games at once. These days 4 game tournaments are strung
> out over a month and you get a rating for each game you play.
> No rating system can be perfectly accurate only over 16 games.

Some, like the Elo, don't pretend to be anywhere near accurate under
26 -- certainly not at 9!

> Rating
> systems that rate plays can't predict a given Sunday either. This rating
> system does what I want it to do, which is show at a glance a relative
> rating of the team. Whether a difference of 200 points means that the
> higher rated team wins *exactly* 85 percent of the time is irrelevant,
> it's just an approximation, as are all rating systems.

We are really defining *exactly* and "approximation" down, it seems.

When your system pegs the Jets as 9-1 favorites over a 6-3 Green Bay
team that already shut them out at home, you are being neither "exact"
nor "approximate", eh? And we go down the list seeing implausibly huge
gaps like this between one team and another all the way down.

A rating system has two purposes: To rank teams ordinally, 1,2,3,...
and to give a realistic estimate of the strength gap between them, the
probability of one defeating the other.

When the error margin is so *huge* on the strength gaps, obviously
that's failure one -- and error gaps that huge overlap so the ordinal
ranking is wrong too. Failure 2 of 2.

I asked you to calculate the error margin for Elo at 9 games. You
haven't, and from your inability to even calculate simple win
probabilities off the Elo table it seems you can't. Here's a hint:

Two competitors of exactly equal strength play two games against each
other. The odds are 50/50 that one or the other will win both, and
50/50 that the two games will split.

You Elo rate the games. In the cases where one won both you come out
with an 800-point difference, over a 100% chance of winning in the
future. If you rate all four cases, the "average error" is 400 points
after 2 games -- a 92% chance of winning/losing against an exactly
equal opponent. Neither exact nor approximate!

This average error reduces only gradually with more games -- thus the
need for 26. More than 2, and more than 9 (but not 100).

But let me not be a pure naysayer, I strive to be helpful:

There is a better way to achieve your proclaimed objective, using only
W-L and with no problem of not enough game: Figure the stength of
schedule adjusted winning percentage of each team.

There's a formula for determining the win % strength of a team against
an average schedule from its % against an unbalanced one. Around .500
you just subtract the difference from it -- e.g., a .600 team playing
opponents with a combined .450 record has an adjusted .550 record. But
as scores get away from .500 you have to use the formula. Figure for
each team then iterate until the numbers stabilize as doing an Elo.

The result is exactly what you want. It ranks the teams on W-L by
strength of schedule as you are trying to use Elo to do ... but it is
fully accurate on the scale of strength gaps and so is ordinally much
more accurate ... and the numbers are expressed in terms everyone
understands, W-L % v adjW-L %, people can see the differences with
their eyeballs -- nobody has to try to figure out what 1794 vs 1467
means.

And I've never seen anyone do it for the NFL, so if you look up the
formula you can claim the system as all your own. My gift to you.

Every rating system has its purpose. The Elo system was designed for a
situation very different than the NFL -- rating players who compete
against huge numbers of strangers *without* W-L %es that can be
adjusted, as in chess, golf, bowling, tennis, video games, Scrabble
uses it, etc.

If the chess world consisted of 32 players who played nobody but each
other, Aprad would never have bothered.

>I don't believe that Detroit would loss 99 games out of 100 to the Jets,

You're right -- nothing like it.

>but I don't
> believe a 2200 rated chess master would lose 99 times out of a hundred
> to a 2700 grandmaster either.

Right again -- 96 times.

>That is why Las Vegas likes the NFL!
> J.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 8:45 pm
From: Julio


In article <017b2a71-b8d5-4526-99ee-18ffc08e7bc6@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:
> You Elo rate the games. In the cases where one won both you come out
> with an 800-point difference, over a 100% chance of winning in the
> future. If you rate all four cases, the "average error" is 400 points
> after 2 games -- a 92% chance of winning/losing against an exactly
> equal opponent. Neither exact nor approximate!

No idea where you get that. There is no 800 point difference on
winning two games, each game gets a rating and those ratings are
factored into the average rating of the winning team. You beat
someone rated 1500, your game rating is 1900, you do it again, your
game rating is 1900 and your overall rating is 1900 if you've only
played two games, some other number if you've played more. If your
rating after 5 games was 1700, and you beat two 1500 teams, then
your rating would be ((5*1700) + (2*1900))/7.

No rating system can accurately rate teams with only 16 games and
where no team plays every other team. Of course my rating system is
an approximation. So is the football outsiders rating system, which
couldn't predict GB beating the Jets either. And I don't think any rating
system in the world could have predicted they would be shut out at
home after a bye (a bizarre result in itself regardless of the relative
rating of the two teams).

I've already stated in previous arguments in previous years that you
could get a similar ranking by multiplying the teams winning percentage
by the winning percentage of its opponents. But my system, particularly
later in the season, is good at predicting winners. The week 10 rankings
picked 12, maybe 13 of this weeks 16 games correctly, pending Monday night's
game. There is no reason at all for you to pay attention to it, it's just
there for anyone who is interested.

J.


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John)
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 2:04 am
From: Robert T.


On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:20:26 -0500 Phillip Briganti
<scorsese@sympatico.ca> wrote in Message id:
<iccuih$dun$2@speranza.aioe.org>:

>On 11/21/2010 9:50 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>> On 21/11/2010 11:18 PM, RickyBobby wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu" wrote in message
>>> news:d711eff7-9603-45ca-af16-f39249577a0f@f20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Goodbye Burt Farver
>>> Though I never knew you at all
>>> You had no grace to not retire on time
>
>>> mr dude
>>>
>>>
>>> That was actually halfway clever.
>>
>>
>> Likely plagiarized by mr. dude. He's not that clever.
>>
>> ;]
>at least he can spell, asswipe
^

Learn about periods and how to lick them off the private parts of your
father.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 9:20 pm
From: "BG@yahoo.com"


On 11/22/2010 5:04 AM, Robert T. wrote:

>>>
>>>
>>> Likely plagiarized by mr. dude. He's not that clever.
>>>
>>> ;]
>> at least he can spell, asswipe
> ^
>
> Learn about periods and how to lick them off the private parts of your
> father.
we'll leave incestuous behavior like that to your family as they have
obviously trained you well.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 9:28 pm
From: J Morgan


On 11/23/2010 12:20 AM, BG@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 11/22/2010 5:04 AM, Robert T. wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Likely plagiarized by mr. dude. He's not that clever.
>>>>
>>>> ;]
>>> at least he can spell, asswipe
>> ^
>>
>> Learn about periods and how to lick them off the private parts of your
>> father.
> we'll leave incestuous behavior like that to your family as they have
> obviously trained you well.
bwahahahaha

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 5:40 am
From: Smithee


Ellis Hobbs was the victim of pretty hard helmet-to-helmet hit by
Giants DE Dave Tollefson last night and had to be carted off the
field. Word is that he has use of all his extremities, so we can all
hope for the best, Ellis was a solid and exciting player during his
years with the Patriots.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 2:43 pm
From: Polarhound


On 11/22/2010 8:40 AM, Smithee wrote:
> Ellis Hobbs was the victim of pretty hard helmet-to-helmet hit by
> Giants DE Dave Tollefson last night and had to be carted off the
> field. Word is that he has use of all his extremities, so we can all
> hope for the best, Ellis was a solid and exciting player during his
> years with the Patriots.

Doesn't matter what team you root for... Or even no team at all. You
never want to see anyone hurt like this.

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TOPIC: Pats D
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 6:43 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Copp" <cr79879@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f054be4646b200066592babe71abea25@rip.ax.lt...
> For awhile I thought the Pats D problems were due to the offense
> not being able to maintain possession and the D then getting tired.
> But after tonight, I think it must be some mental problem that
> the players have when the team gets ahead. They seem to be able
> to hold any team close when the game is close, but when they get
> ahead, they stop concentrating. That drive that ended the half
> was due to a really bad missed tackle, and later in the 4th
> quarter there mental errors all over the place. I guess every
> good team has to have some luck to go the distance, but the
> huge horseshoe in the butt must have meant some severe discomfort
> for the players during this game.
>
> This D's problem falls right into the hands of the Jets. The
> Jets are great in the 2 min offense, and they already burned
> the Pats once.
>
> On the other hand....
> There seem to be an awful lot of late comebacks this year by
> teams with decent QB's. It could be that offenses have found
> they can attack with the hurry-up offense effectively if the
> players have good conditioning, and they are using it more,
> and the defenses haven't caught up yet.
> Right, Donovan?
>


the Pats D is young and getting better.
they have the physical skills now they are gaining experience.
things will keep getting better.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 9:01 am
From: "Dano"

"Copp" <cr79879@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f054be4646b200066592babe71abea25@rip.ax.lt...
> For awhile I thought the Pats D problems were due to the offense
> not being able to maintain possession and the D then getting tired.
> But after tonight, I think it must be some mental problem that
> the players have when the team gets ahead. They seem to be able
> to hold any team close when the game is close, but when they get
> ahead, they stop concentrating. That drive that ended the half
> was due to a really bad missed tackle, and later in the 4th
> quarter there mental errors all over the place. I guess every
> good team has to have some luck to go the distance, but the
> huge horseshoe in the butt must have meant some severe discomfort
> for the players during this game.
>
> This D's problem falls right into the hands of the Jets. The
> Jets are great in the 2 min offense, and they already burned
> the Pats once.
>

I know this is a bit simplistic, but I'll say it anyway. Two major factors.
Experience and leadership. But I see encouraging signs in the big plays of
late and the fact that they're gaining a lot of experience...and against
very tough teams. Teams there is a good chance they will see in the post
season at that. Sometimes you have to learn through making mistakes. If
that's true, they should be learning a lot.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 6:46 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Smithee" <ssmith2010@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f6d5840b-7e0d-48c4-9746-f430fef5550f@30g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 21, 8:04 pm, mrl <markrlon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Any predictions on how much of a fine he'll get?

I quote Larry Bird when he was told that Robert Parrish was fined
after he punched Bill Lambeer... "He was fined? For that good deed?"

In all honestly, a big one. Probably $75,000 and don't be surprised
if he gets suspended for a game.


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there should be something with Rapistberger too.
he clearly goes up to Seymour after the play and he said something nasty.
Big Sey just turned and decked him. so it had to be beyong the usual trash
talk.

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TOPIC: 14-2 in sight
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 6:49 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"mrl" <markrlondon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1c48a096-8669-4479-947f-1c87aa3b4203@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 21, 7:22 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "cloud dreamer" <dont.att...@the.messenger> wrote in message
>
> news:gPKdnWUj6q19K3TRnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>
> > With only the Jets and Chicago being the one legitimate threat left and
> > with the way the Jets have been scrapping by the last few weeks, the
> > Pats
> > should have the edge at home. And Chicago is over rated. They've only
> > beaten one winning team.
>
> > 12-4 at worse. 14-2 possible.
>
> > :)
>
> This is a strange season.
> the Pats have many flaws but so doesn't everybody else.

Detroit is another trap game coming up. If they can lose to
Cleveland, they can lose to anyone.


buffalo worries me more.
they aren't as bad as their record.

it's a strange season. they can beat and lose to anyone.
against the Squeerlers and the Fish they were world beaters. they were
horrible vs Cleve. and escaped against the Dolts.
but look around the league.
who can you say any different about?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 9:28 am
From: "Dano"

"mrl" <markrlondon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1c48a096-8669-4479-947f-1c87aa3b4203@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 21, 7:22 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "cloud dreamer" <dont.att...@the.messenger> wrote in message
>>
>> news:gPKdnWUj6q19K3TRnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>
>> > With only the Jets and Chicago being the one legitimate threat left and
>> > with the way the Jets have been scrapping by the last few weeks, the
>> > Pats
>> > should have the edge at home. And Chicago is over rated. They've only
>> > beaten one winning team.
>>
>> > 12-4 at worse. 14-2 possible.
>>
>> > :)
>>
>> This is a strange season.
>> the Pats have many flaws but so doesn't everybody else.
>
> Detroit is another trap game coming up. If they can lose to
> Cleveland, they can lose to anyone.

Cleveland should have been a good object lesson for them...but remember that
was a kind of special circumstance. The Browns were coming off their bye
week and their coach is highly motivated. I think they're better than their
record would indicate too. 5 of their losses were by a touchdown or less
and they beat both the Saints and Pats by a lot. And should have beaten the
Jets.

But of course anyone CAN lose to anyone. I doubt BB or Brady will let them
be too cocky again though.


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TOPIC: Latest Poll: Palin leads Obama in matchup!!! YES!!!!!
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 11:28 am
From: "O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - I need a CHICK that will love my DICK"


My friends, there is GREAT NEWS! The latest poll has Sarah Palin
picking up 54% in a head-to-head matchup against Obama, if the
presidential election were held today. Obama picks up 44% of the vote,
so that is a 10 POINT VICTORY FOR SARAH PALIN!!!!

This is the best news in a long time! They said it couldn't be done
but my prediction is this: SARAH PALIN WILL BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT!!

Restoring Honour, Integrity, and Character to our once and future
great nation!
:D


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 11:58 am
From: "O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - Truth Personified."


On Nov 22, 1:28 pm, "O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - I need a CHICK that
will love my DICK" <accoun...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> My friends, there is GREAT NEWS! The latest poll has Sarah Palin
> picking up 54% in a head-to-head matchup against Obama, if the
> presidential election were held today. Obama picks up 44% of the vote,
> so that is a 10 POINT VICTORY FOR SARAH PALIN!!!!
>
> This is the best news in a long time! They said it couldn't be done
> but my prediction is this: SARAH PALIN WILL BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT!!
>
> Restoring Honour, Integrity, and Character to our once and future
> great nation!
> :D

C-


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 1:04 pm
From: "O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - Truth Personified."


On Nov 22, 2:58 pm, "O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - Truth Personified."
<oneilsprost...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 1:28 pm, "O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - I need a CHICK that
> will love my DICK" <accoun...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My friends, there is GREAT NEWS! The latest poll has Sarah Palin
> > picking up 54% in a head-to-head matchup against Obama, if the
> > presidential election were held today. Obama picks up 44% of the vote,
> > so that is a 10 POINT VICTORY FOR SARAH PALIN!!!!
>
> > This is the best news in a long time! They said it couldn't be done
> > but my prediction is this: SARAH PALIN WILL BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT!!
>
> > Restoring Honour, Integrity, and Character to our once and future
> > great nation!
> > :D
>
> C-

Infidels - please ignore my last post as I had meant to send that one
solely to my girlfriend.

please ignore just the last post, not the one before it.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 1:34 pm
From: "allenx"


The Pats played a "virtually flawless" game. They stuffed the running game,
had only one penalty and scored a TD on each possession in the first half.

The Colts receivers dropped two or three easy catches and threw 3
interceptions.

Despite all the mistakes, they only lost by 3 . They could easily forced OT
or won by scoring in the last 30 seconds, leaving the Patriots having to
explain yet another comeback by Manning and a depleted Colt team.

Not encouraging!! Facing the Colts again in the playoffs scares me more than
any other team.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 2:37 pm
From: eric


On Nov 22, 4:34 pm, "allenx" <brindle1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Pats played a "virtually flawless" game. They stuffed the running game,
> had only one penalty and scored a TD on each possession in the first half.
>
> The Colts receivers dropped two or three easy catches and threw 3
> interceptions.
>
> Despite all the mistakes, they only lost by 3 . They could easily forced OT
> or won by scoring in the last 30 seconds, leaving the Patriots having to
> explain yet another comeback by Manning and a depleted Colt team.
>
> Not encouraging!! Facing the Colts again in the playoffs scares me more than
> any other team.

Manning is only 9-9 in the playoffs. Brady FTW postseason.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 9:48 pm
From: "Dano"

"allenx" <brindle1023@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:L_Cdnd5-4e-Pf3fRnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> The Pats played a "virtually flawless" game. They stuffed the running
> game, had only one penalty and scored a TD on each possession in the first
> half.
>
> The Colts receivers dropped two or three easy catches and threw 3
> interceptions.
>
> Despite all the mistakes, they only lost by 3 . They could easily forced
> OT or won by scoring in the last 30 seconds, leaving the Patriots having
> to explain yet another comeback by Manning and a depleted Colt team.
>
> Not encouraging!! Facing the Colts again in the playoffs scares me more
> than any other team.

They hung on to win against a very good team with one of the greatest QB's
of all time...who has pulled off many a miracle comeback. I can't take
anything bad away from that. Damn good win. If I had one beef, it was
getting a bit conservative on offense down that late stretch.


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 2:38 pm
From: "MWB"

TROLL

GO PATRIOTS


Mark


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 3:57 pm
From: "RickyBobby"


" `·.¸¸.·´¯)RåvÑsfån @(¯`·.¸¸.·´" wrote in message
news:4ce9d18d$0$2536$b42602f9@news.qis.net...

"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
news:XsudnXichpG2MHTRnZ2dnUVZ5qudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Nobody in the AFC can play with the Patriots.

Way too early for you to be abandoning the other 31 teams RickyLicky.

Drew
`·.¸¸.·´¯)®åvÑsfån®(¯`·.¸¸.·´

Going by what I have seen I see the Patriots in the Super Bowl for the
umpteenth time. I am not so sure about the NFC because that is more of a
mess. Either New Orleans or Green Bay maybe.

If we win the Super Bowl again then Tom Brady will face plant Jim Brown as
the greatest football player ever.

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TOPIC: Take The Quiz... was(Re: I haven't seen a quarterback BITCHSLAPPED...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 3:28 pm
From: " `·.¸¸.·´¯\)RåvÑsfån @\(¯`·.¸¸.·´"


"ironcitywest" <mitchellkarera@cs.com> wrote in message
news:b1a950c5-86d5-40c1-ab96-606b0a65cede@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Beiselbub wrote:

> Sey is still a Patriot, a total class
> move.

The Commissioner respectfully disagrees. If Seymour can't make a
legal play on the field perhaps he should take his pathetic act to
professional wrestling.

There is only one team within the past several decades that has two players
that have had NFL rules drawn up to prevent them from using their illegal
cheap shot tactics. One is a semi-chink and the other is a classless knuckle
dragging punk who once stated that he would retire before paying elaborate
NFL fines for being the bitch he is.

Name the two punks and the cesspool city that hosts the team they play for
in 60 seconds ...?

Drew
`·.¸¸.·´¯)RåvÑsfån ®(¯`·.¸¸.·´

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 5:12 pm
From: PR1@YAHOO.COM


How come Detroit gets to play Thanksgiving every year but very few
other teams do?

Do the Pats get to play on Thanksgiving every 10 years?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 5:38 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 22/11/2010 9:42 PM, PR1@YAHOO.COM wrote:
> How come Detroit gets to play Thanksgiving every year but very few
> other teams do?
>
> Do the Pats get to play on Thanksgiving every 10 years?
>


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_Classic

..

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 6:33 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


The ratings would be off the hook!!!!!

mr dude (about to become a billionaire!)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 9:27 pm
From: CUL8R


Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at
airports: All we need to do is develop a booth that you can step into
that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may
have hidden on or in your body. The explosion will be contained within
the sealed booth. This would be a win-win for everyone. There would be
none of this nonsense about racial profiling and the device would
eliminate long and expensive trials. This is so simple that it's
brilliant. I can see it now: you're in the airport terminal and you hear
a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the
PA system, "Attention, standby passengers; we now have a seat available
on flight number..."


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