Monday, December 6, 2010

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Today's topics:

* the 800 pound topic in the room. - 15 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/74e530812d356602?hl=en
* RIP Dandy Don. - 9 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/ed5dcd6d2e1e0747?hl=en
* OT Palin - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/144fcd4a38e244ee?hl=en

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TOPIC: the 800 pound topic in the room.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/74e530812d356602?hl=en
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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 5 2010 9:56 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"


well later today is the big game.
maybe the biggest game between the Pats and Jets.
neither group has been mentioning it much nor has the trash talk or
predictions been flying.

I expect either a close game or a blowout
.
both teams have been finding ways to win while giving their fans heart
attacks.
I'd wish the Jets good luck but I wouldn't mean it/
Pats 28-17.


== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 5:57 am
From: John C TX


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> well later today is the big game.
> maybe the biggest game between the Pats and Jets.
> neither group has been mentioning it much nor has the trash talk or
> predictions been flying.
>
> I expect either a close game or a blowout
> .
> both teams have been finding ways to win while giving their fans heart
> attacks.
> I'd wish the Jets good luck but I wouldn't mean it/
> Pats 28-17.

I don't make predictions but my gut tells me we lose a close one or
beat you by 14+. I think you may be overvaluing your defense.


== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 7:05 am
From: Michael


On Dec 6, 8:57 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > well later today is the big game.
> > maybe the biggest game between the Pats and Jets.
> > neither group has been mentioning it much nor has the trash talk or
> > predictions been flying.
>
> > I expect either a close game or a blowout
> > .
> > both teams have been finding ways to win while giving their fans heart
> > attacks.
> > I'd wish the Jets good luck but I wouldn't mean it/
> > Pats 28-17.
>
> I don't make predictions but my gut tells me we lose a close one or
> beat you by 14+.  I think you may be overvaluing your defense.

The Pats are flawed defensively and their offense can be stymied by
means of pre-post snap confusion. The Jets are underachieving on
offense, lack a bona fied pass rusher and have issues at the safely
position. What does that mean ??? IMHO, the game wont be decided by
the two talked about units; the Pats offense and the Jets defense.
The Jets offense will be the surprise of the game. I expect them to
leave their Sominex back home in Schotty's office.

Jets 30 Pats 27

*Bonus prediction... If the Jets dont wait for the playoff's to do
it... We may just see Brad Smith throw a pass out of the Wild Cat
tonight.


== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 7:08 am
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <idhtu5$19g$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:

> well later today is the big game.
> maybe the biggest game between the Pats and Jets.
> neither group has been mentioning it much nor has the trash talk or
> predictions been flying.
>
> I expect either a close game or a blowout
> .
> both teams have been finding ways to win while giving their fans heart
> attacks.
> I'd wish the Jets good luck but I wouldn't mean it/
> Pats 28-17.

Thanks Ray, I feel the same way. You and Mark and some blasts from the
past from this NG will be the only reason I will not be completely
depressed if we don't dominate and win.

Harlan


== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 7:10 am
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<3438351a-1a3a-47af-8e76-c6259795776d@a28g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
John C TX <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:

> X-No-Archive: Yes
> > well later today is the big game.
> > maybe the biggest game between the Pats and Jets.
> > neither group has been mentioning it much nor has the trash talk or
> > predictions been flying.
> >
> > I expect either a close game or a blowout
> > .
> > both teams have been finding ways to win while giving their fans heart
> > attacks.
> > I'd wish the Jets good luck but I wouldn't mean it/
> > Pats 28-17.
>
> I don't make predictions but my gut tells me we lose a close one or
> beat you by 14+. I think you may be overvaluing your defense.

John, I think it goes opposite. I think we win a close game of 10 points
or less and risk being blown out if Rex/Shott cannot get the offense
going. No way we can take out four receivers all game against this team.

h


== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:01 am
From: Tutor


On Dec 6, 10:08 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article <idhtu5$19...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > well later today is the big game.
> > maybe the biggest game between the Pats and Jets.
> > neither group has been mentioning it much nor has the trash talk or
> > predictions been flying.
>
> > I expect either a close game or a blowout
> > .
> > both teams have been finding ways to win while giving their fans heart
> > attacks.
> > I'd wish the Jets good luck but I wouldn't mean it/
> > Pats 28-17.
>
> Thanks Ray, I feel the same way. You and Mark and some blasts from the
> past from this NG will be the only reason I will not be completely
> depressed if we don't dominate and win.
>
> Harlan

"Dominate?" I'll be very disappointed if the Jets don't win. But I
have no delusions that the Jets will dominate. That's just
unrealistic. The Patriots are a very good team that bends but doesn't
often break on defense.


== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:24 am
From: John C TX


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> John, I think it goes opposite. I think we win a close game of 10 points
> or less and risk being blown out if Rex/Shott cannot get the offense
> going. No way we can take out four receivers all game against this team.
>
> h

H, I am as nervous as a cat in a sack so anything I say is BS.
Leonard's injury didn't help.

Like I said it was just a gut feeling. Brady is a big time
performer. As a buddy from RSA would call it he has BMT for big match
temperament. If we can get some pressure -- I doubt we will throw the
kitchen sink at him too often-- but enough to stymie him on 3rd down
and Sanchez can play solid then we could do what the Browns did.

The one upside to Leonard's injury is that we could get a game breaker
as a punt returner. We also could fumble.


== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:48 am
From: Michael


On Dec 6, 11:24 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > John, I think it goes opposite. I think we win a close game of 10 points
> > or less and risk being blown out if Rex/Shott cannot get the offense
> > going. No way we can take out four receivers all game against this team.
>
> > h
>
> H, I am as nervous as a cat in a sack so anything I say is BS.
> Leonard's injury didn't help.
>
> Like I said it was just a gut feeling.  Brady is a big time
> performer.  As a buddy from RSA would call it he has BMT for big match
> temperament.  If we can get some pressure -- I doubt we will throw the
> kitchen sink at him too often-- but enough to stymie him on 3rd down
> and Sanchez can play solid then we could do what the Browns did.
>
> The one upside to Leonard's injury is that we could get a game breaker
> as a punt returner. We also could fumble.

my spider sense is acting up again... i have a feeling that there
will be a bright silver lining to the leonhard injury... may be a big
play by e. smith or as you say... a big play by the punt returner
filling in for jimmy.


== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:48 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a3119a6d-a4cf-4a1b-8c0c-5139d5ee6036@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 6, 10:08 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article <idhtu5$19...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > well later today is the big game.
> > maybe the biggest game between the Pats and Jets.
> > neither group has been mentioning it much nor has the trash talk or
> > predictions been flying.
>
> > I expect either a close game or a blowout
> > .
> > both teams have been finding ways to win while giving their fans heart
> > attacks.
> > I'd wish the Jets good luck but I wouldn't mean it/
> > Pats 28-17.
>
> Thanks Ray, I feel the same way. You and Mark and some blasts from the
> past from this NG will be the only reason I will not be completely
> depressed if we don't dominate and win.
>
> Harlan

"Dominate?" I'll be very disappointed if the Jets don't win. But I
have no delusions that the Jets will dominate. That's just
unrealistic. The Patriots are a very good team that bends but doesn't
often break on defense.

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anybody who bets this game is crazed.


== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 9:15 am
From: Mattu


On Dec 5, 9:56 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> well later today is the big game.
> maybe the biggest game between the Pats and Jets.
> neither group has been mentioning it much nor has the trash talk or
> predictions been flying.
>
> I expect either a close game or a blowout
> .
> both teams have been finding ways to win while giving their fans heart
> attacks.
> I'd wish the Jets good luck but I wouldn't mean it/
> Pats 28-17.

Being one of the elder statesman here:

Patriots 63
Jestards 0


== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 9:41 am
From: John C TX


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> =====================================================================================
>
> anybody who bets this game is crazed.

Ray, anyone who bets any game is crazed.

I have buddies I watch football with on Sunday. They bet 500-1000 each
week. Every year I make the same offer place your bet with me & I
will give you back 90% of your money at the end of the year.

One wise guy who bets $1-5,000 makes a crack how about me. I told him
I would give him back 95% as I would make it up in volume.


== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 10:35 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:015e17e0-826d-4ff2-ba25-f981f8767bf3@q12g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>> =====================================================================================
>>
>> anybody who bets this game is crazed.
>
> Ray, anyone who bets any game is crazed.
>
> I have buddies I watch football with on Sunday. They bet 500-1000 each
> week. Every year I make the same offer place your bet with me & I
> will give you back 90% of your money at the end of the year.
>
> One wise guy who bets $1-5,000 makes a crack how about me. I told him
> I would give him back 95% as I would make it up in volume.

yup

all I ever needed to see was the odds on the "card" if you can pick just 4
winners they pay off at 10-1
picking 4 winners from all the pro and major college games looks easy.
yet the Mob rakes in millions every week.


== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 11:00 am
From: Michael


On Dec 6, 1:35 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:015e17e0-826d-4ff2-ba25-f981f8767bf3@q12g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
> >> ===========================================================================­==========
>
> >> anybody who bets this game is crazed.
>
> > Ray, anyone who bets any game is crazed.
>
> > I have buddies I watch football with on Sunday. They bet 500-1000 each
> > week.    Every year I make the same offer place your bet with me & I
> > will give you back 90% of your money at the end of the year.
>
> > One wise guy who bets $1-5,000 makes a crack how about me.  I told him
> > I would give him back 95% as I would make it up in volume.
>
> yup
>
> all I ever needed to see was the odds on the "card" if you can pick just 4
> winners they pay off at 10-1
> picking 4 winners from all the pro and major college games looks easy.
> yet the Mob rakes in millions every week.

i only saw fit to bet on one game this year... my five star pick...
not saying that i did bet, mind you... only that i saw it fit to do
so.... i saw it fit to bet 100 bucks on the cowboys beating the giants
the week after gatter took over... and some one saw it fit to give me
some money after the game for some strange reason


== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 2:49 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 06/12/2010 1:45 PM, Mattu wrote:
> On Dec 5, 9:56 pm, "Ray O'Hara"<raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> well later today is the big game.
>> maybe the biggest game between the Pats and Jets.
>> neither group has been mentioning it much nor has the trash talk or
>> predictions been flying.
>>
>> I expect either a close game or a blowout
>> .
>> both teams have been finding ways to win while giving their fans heart
>> attacks.
>> I'd wish the Jets good luck but I wouldn't mean it/
>> Pats 28-17.
>
> Being one of the elder statesman here:
>
> Patriots 63
> Jestards 0

LOL

Pats 48
Jets 24

Jets have only beaten one winning team this season - the Pats - and won
a lot of close games over really bad teams. They're overrated.

Pats have beaten 4 teams .500 or better and are a better team then they
were in September.

And the Jets still have to get by Chicago and Pitts - both who will be
playing hard to stay on top of their division.

This is the Pat's game to lose. The Jets only win if the Pats don't come
to play, but after 11 days of prep, I can't see that.

Barring injuries of course.

I did leave my fingernails long...so that I'll have something to chew
off tonight....lol

..


== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 3:07 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<830be3b5-bfa8-4c67-a125-44beeca9adf4@a17g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
John C TX <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:

> X-No-Archive: Yes
> > John, I think it goes opposite. I think we win a close game of 10 points
> > or less and risk being blown out if Rex/Shott cannot get the offense
> > going. No way we can take out four receivers all game against this team.
> >
> > h
>
> H, I am as nervous as a cat in a sack so anything I say is BS.
> Leonard's injury didn't help.
>
> Like I said it was just a gut feeling. Brady is a big time
> performer. As a buddy from RSA would call it he has BMT for big match
> temperament. If we can get some pressure -- I doubt we will throw the
> kitchen sink at him too often-- but enough to stymie him on 3rd down
> and Sanchez can play solid then we could do what the Browns did.
>
> The one upside to Leonard's injury is that we could get a game breaker
> as a punt returner. We also could fumble.

And, as I posted earlier, I think Smith goes into the Box to replace
Leonhard where is is a little less of a liability.

H

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TOPIC: RIP Dandy Don.
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 7:36 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"


he died last nite from a brain hemorage.
he was a 1st rate QB and he endeared himself to America by calling out
Cosell on his bullshit.
When Lennon was murdered Cosell was against mentioning such a trivial thing
on the air during a game.
Meredith insisted it was big news and had to be mentioned, after a few
minutes arguing Meredith carried the argument and Cosell read the
announcement.
it became the biggest story Cosell ever broke and he ever after took full
"credit" for thr the story.
a leaked tape of the off-air debate in the booth showed it was Dandy Don and
Frank Gifford who wanted it mentioned.

RIP dandy Don.


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 7:59 am
From: "junter522@123.net"


On 12/6/2010 10:36 AM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> he died last nite from a brain hemorage.
> he was a 1st rate QB and he endeared himself to America by calling out
> Cosell on his bullshit.
> When Lennon was murdered Cosell was against mentioning such a trivial thing
> on the air during a game.
> Meredith insisted it was big news and had to be mentioned, after a few
> minutes arguing Meredith carried the argument and Cosell read the
> announcement.
> it became the biggest story Cosell ever broke and he ever after took full
> "credit" for thr the story.
> a leaked tape of the off-air debate in the booth showed it was Dandy Don and
> Frank Gifford who wanted it mentioned.
>
> RIP dandy Don.
>
>
Howard had a God complex.SOB.John &Don had love and peace in their
hearts.R.I.P.Don


== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 9:22 am
From: Neil X


Turn out the lights, the party's over.

Always entertaining, seldom perspicacious, beloved by millions. 21st
Century networks could use more announcers like him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5890812

Peace,
Neil X.


== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 9:49 am
From: yoker


One of my favorites, too.
> > RIP dandy Don

:_(


== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 11:08 am
From: the felonious kidd


On Dec 6, 9:22 am, Neil X <nei...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Always entertaining, seldom perspicacious, beloved by millions.  21st
> Century networks could use more announcers like him.

"Perspicacious". So does that mean you are or are not in favor of
bringing back Dennis Miller to Monday Night Football?

Adios Don. I won't hold the fact that you were a Dallas Cowboy against
you.


== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 12:32 pm
From: "JKConey"


Unlike many I loved Cosell, and Don as well. The guy I could ever stand was
Gifford. He was often lost on what was happening, and was a shill for the
network.


--

www.myconeyislandmemories.com

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 12:38 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"the felonious kidd" <bob_aran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8318766f-8d4e-4f5e-af8a-f9ab80b379c0@o23g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 6, 9:22 am, Neil X <nei...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Always entertaining, seldom perspicacious, beloved by millions. 21st
> Century networks could use more announcers like him.

"Perspicacious". So does that mean you are or are not in favor of
bringing back Dennis Miller to Monday Night Football?

Adios Don. I won't hold the fact that you were a Dallas Cowboy against
you


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why is it when commedians come out as Republicans any hint of humour deserts
them?
Miller, P.J.O'Rourke, Ben Stein, well not Stein he was never funny.
but connedservatives seems to be humouristically challenged.
and the jokes wingnuts post to the usenet would embarrass a 12 year old with
their lamosity.


== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 12:39 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:idjh85$eba$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Unlike many I loved Cosell, and Don as well. The guy I could ever stand
> was Gifford. He was often lost on what was happening, and was a shill for
> the network.
>
>
> --
>
> www.myconeyislandmemories.com

the Giff was a great player. before the AFL and the Pats existed the Giants
were the "home" team for New England.
the Giff was cool and one of my heros.
yeah he sucked in the booth.


== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 12:44 pm
From: "JKConey"

"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:idjhmp$gt3$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:idjh85$eba$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Unlike many I loved Cosell, and Don as well. The guy I could ever stand
>> was Gifford. He was often lost on what was happening, and was a shill for
>> the network.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> www.myconeyislandmemories.com
>
> the Giff was a great player. before the AFL and the Pats existed the
> Giants were the "home" team for New England.
> the Giff was cool and one of my heros.
> yeah he sucked in the booth.
>


Yes he was the Lance Allworth of his time. Saw him drop a key YA Tittle
pass in a champ game. He hated any of the old AFL teams he had to cover.
That smug NFL attitude was what turned me into a Giant hater.

--

www.myconeyislandmemories.com


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TOPIC: OT Palin
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 1:48 pm
From: Dewey


MuahMan <muahman@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On Dec 4, 12:13�pm, Dewey <dewey3kNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Eddie Haskell" <jhjh...@sasasqq.com> wrote in news:NVUJo.55999
>> $rp3.31...@unlimited.newshosting.com:
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>> > "Dewey" <dewey3kNOS...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:Xns9E4184F2D29E5dewey3kNOSPAMgmailco@130.133.4.11...
>> >> MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >> news:1c13720a-0532-4d99-b560-
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>> 7886b85c7...@i32g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
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>>
>>
>> >>> On Nov 29, 4:41 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <jhjh...@sasasqq.com> wrote:
>> >>>> "MuahMan" <muah...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>>> news:3001e588-9b14-4187-a9e0-3855a63a7404
>> >> @r16g2000prh.googlegroups.com
>> >>>> ... On Nov 29, 2:00 pm, "O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - Profile."
>>
>> >>>> <accoun...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> > On Nov 26, 2:27 pm, N...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >>>> > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 10:51:09 -0800 (PST), "O'Neil's Faggy
>> >>>> > > Prostate - Loves me some HOT STOVE!"
>> >>>> > > <oneilsprost...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> > > >On Nov 24, 11:46 pm, N...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>> > > >>http://www.smh.com.au/world/sarah-palin-confused-on-
koreas-
>> >> 20101
>> >>>> > > >>125
>> >>> -1...
>>
>> >>>> > > >Unemployment under The Won is nearly 10%, and this is what
>> >>>> > > >you choos
>> >>> e
>> >>>> > > >to bitch about?
>>
>> >>>> > > >AMAZING!!!
>> >>>> > > >:D
>>
>> >>>> > > Never mind that unemployment is so high even with Wall
>> >>>> > > Street making record profits, the republicans drove the
>> >>>> > > economy off
>> the
>> >>>> > > cliff, and the republicans want you to drop dead unless
>> >>>> > > you're
>> a
>> >>>> > > multi millionaire.
>>
>> >>>> > > When does the greed end?
>>
>> >>>> > Voting for Palin may be the ONLY HOPE for our country! Here
>> >>>> > are
>> 10
>> >>>> > reasons to vote for Sarah Palin in 2012:
>>
>> >>>> > * Unemployment will come down
>> >>>> > * Employment will go up
>> >>>> > * Lower taxes for EVERYONE
>> >>>> > * LOWER SPENDING (get it yet, Democrats?)
>> >>>> > * More HIRING will occur
>> >>>> > * STRONGER military PREVAILS
>> >>>> > * U.S. Debt will go DOWN
>> >>>> > * More U.S. companies will be willing to HIRE people
>> >>>> > * People will be PROUD to call themselves AMERICAN again
>>
>> >>>> > "America, the Beautiful" (2012)
>> >>>> > :D
>> >>>> > Fuck That! We need another Civil War.
>> >>>> > Wooooohoooooooooooooooooo Lets put this Democrat vs Republican
>> >>>> > shit to bed forever. Fight
>> it
>> >>>> > out.
>>
>> >>>> Good idea. We republicans have the guns and the military.
>>
>> >>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> >>> and the money, and the jobs, and the work ethic.
>>
>> >>> They do have the unemployed, the homosexuals, and the hippies
>> though!!
>> >>> Frightening! ;)
>>
>> >> OFP, Pratt, "Ricky Bobby" and Haskell all in one thread. Usenet's
>> >> 4 biggest dunderheads finally meet..
>>
>> > ..you, the chief dunderhead.
>>
>> ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Pierced once again by your
>> rapier-like wit.
>>
>> --
>> If I were a cactus, I wouldn't need so much water.
>
> Go spend your WIC stamps.
>

There's that clever Brian Pratt wit that I've missed so much. S'matter?
Can't get any attention in asbnyy anymore? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

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* Shott or Rex (ESPN Insider) - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* the 800 pound topic in the room. - 6 messages, 3 authors
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* Ravens suck... Bunch of posers... Lose at home... - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* OT: Linehan - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Leon Washington punt return - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Fat Bastard eats Gang Dung !!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Fat Bastard is shakingin his boots as Pablo Sanchez smuggles kin across the
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* ESPN: Coles signed so he can retire a Jet - 1 messages, 1 author
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* RIP Dandy Don. - 7 messages, 6 authors
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* The weather tonight up in Foxboro - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Shott or Rex (ESPN Insider)
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:21 am
From: Michael


On Dec 6, 10:58 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 10:19 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 10:05 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
> > > NFL Contrarian Thoughts
>
> > > [Every Thursday, KC Joyner offers a contrarian viewpoint to a common NFL
> > > argument. Sometimes he's right; sometimes he's wrong. He's always
> > > informative.]
>
> > > It is an unquestioned fact that Rex Ryan is one of the most brilliant
> > > defensive playcallers in the NFL. For proof, one needs look no further
> > > than how well he has dealt with the multitude of problems thrown his way
> > > this season.
>
> > > The Jets do not have a great pass rusher, lost their dominant
> > > run-stuffing nose tackle (Kris Jenkins) in the first week and didn't get
> > > the services of linebacker Calvin Pace until Week 5.
>
> > > Ryan also had to make due without shutdown cornerback Darrelle Revis for
> > > multiple games. The cavalry could have come to save the day in the form
> > > of Kyle Wilson, the highly touted cornerback taken with this year's
> > > first-round draft pick, but he has performed so poorly that he has been
> > > relegated to fourth-string status.
>
> > > Throw in a schedule that included matchups against Baltimore, New
> > > England, Denver, Green Bay, Houston and Cincinnati, and most defenses
> > > would be happy to have just survived the onslaught.
>
> > > Ryan's D did more than survive; it has thrived against this daunting
> > > task. The Jets rank third in the league in total yards allowed, fourth
> > > in rushing yards allowed -- and, most important, fourth in points
> > > allowed.
>
> > > It is this type of achievement that all but certainly confirms to Ryan
> > > that playcalling is the key to success. Effective game-planning works,
> > > regardless of your own personnel situation or the personnel level of
> > > your opponent.
>
> > > For all of the success this playcalling regimen has provided the Jets,
> > > it also could be hurting the team by impacting the way offensive
> > > coordinator Brian Schottenheimer attacks Gang Green's opposition.
>
> > > To be fair, the Jets' offense has posted solid numbers in many areas,
> > > ranking 11th in overall yards, second in rushing yards and tied for 10th
> > > in points per game.
>
> > > Being around Rex Ryan and his own approach to playcalling has affected
> > > Brian Schottenheimer's playcalling mindset.
>
> > > The troubling part comes when one takes a closer look at the missed
> > > opportunities Schottenheimer's game plans have seen in the area of
> > > targeting personnel weaknesses in the opposing secondary.
>
> > > The first signs of this came in the opener, against the Baltimore
> > > Ravens; they were starting Fabian Washington as one of their
> > > cornerbacks. Washington was coming off a 2009 campaign where he posted
> > > an 11.2 yards per attempt (YPA) total. That placed him 96th out of the
> > > 100 cornerbacks measured in that metric, meaning he was by far one of
> > > the worst coverage players in the league.
>
> > > That kind of weakness practically begs to be targeted, but Mark Sanchez
> > > threw only one pass Washington's way.
>
> > > A similar thing occurred in the Week 11 contest against the Houston
> > > Texans. Kareem Jackson, one of their corners, is having an awful season.
> > > To get an idea of how poorly Jackson has played, consider that he was
> > > pretty much personally responsible for putting San Diego Chargers rookie
> > > fifth-string wide receiver Seyi Ajirotutu on the radar screen of every
> > > fantasy football coach in Week 9. Jackson gave up 98 yards and two
> > > touchdowns on a mere four passes in coverage against Ajirotutu.
>
> > > The Texans did not bench Jackson after this implosion, so it sounded
> > > like a perfect opportunity to send a ton of passes his way with either
> > > Santonio Holmes or Braylon Edwards, both of whom are a lot more talented
> > > and more seasoned than Ajirotutu.
>
> > > It didn't happen. Jackson was targeted only four times and one of those
> > > passes came against Patrick Turner, a fourth-string wideout for the Jets.
>
> > > Those two instances are concerning enough, but it was the Week 12 game
> > > against the Cincinnati Bengals that really set off the alarm bells.
>
> > > Cincinnati's secondary had been hit with an unbelievable slew of
> > > injuries. They had just placed their starting free safety (Chris
> > > Crocker) on injured reserve. Their starting nickel cornerback (Adam
> > > Jones) went on IR many weeks before this and his backup (Morgan Trent)
> > > hit the IR wire Nov. 15. The Bengals' starting strong safety (Roy
> > > Williams), starting left cornerback (Johnathan Joseph) and third-string
> > > nickel corner (Brandon Ghee) were also going to miss the contest because
> > > of injuries.
>
> > > This means the Bengals would be playing with two backup safeties, a
> > > fourth-string nickel cornerback (who would technically be a
> > > seventh-string cornerback on the roster) and a backup left cornerback
> > > (Jonathan Wade) who was not even on an NFL roster the week before the
> > > game.
>
> > > One could not ask for a more favorable set of passing game matchups --
> > > and yet the Jets had a 37/28 pass to run ratio and threw only eight
> > > vertical passes all game. That is odd enough, but they also targeted
> > > Leon Hall, the only starter in the entire Bengals' secondary and a very
> > > good coverage player in his own right, for four passes. It is a key
> > > reason they were actually down 7-3 at halftime to a team they should
> > > have been dominating.
>
> > > There are many possible explanations for why Schottenheimer didn't
> > > attack this secondary more aggressively, but the one that keeps coming
> > > to my mind is that being around Ryan and his own approach to playcalling
> > > has affected Schottenheimer's playcalling mindset.
>
> > > If that is the case, Schottenheimer would do well to alter his
> > > philosophy going into the huge Monday night showdown against the New
> > > England Patriots. New England is on pace to allow more passing yards
> > > than any team in league history. If the Jets try to beat this team with
> > > a heavy dose of runs and a smattering of passes, it will mean giving
> > > away a huge personnel advantage without a fight. That kind of approach
> > > can work against an injury-depleted Bengals roster but it will almost
> > > certainly backfire against Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.
>
> > harlan... i'm beginning to wonder more and more... i think rex is
> > pulling schotty's strings as far as the run-pass mix goes... rex may
> > be the guy that wants to run against teams with beat up defensive
> > backs...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I've been saying this now for over a year.  But until now, the concept
> has been completely dismissed in this forum.  It's so much easier to
> tag the blame for the offensive game plan completely on
> Schottenheimer.  "Ground and Pound baby!" and that's against teams
> with the worst pass defenses in the NFL.  Duh.  Of course that's Rex's
> doing.  Has been all along.  That doesn't exempt Schott for specific
> bad play calls and all the silly motion, trickery and off beat plays
> at the wrong time... but it's time for everyone to realize that the
> decision maker for the overall offensive strategy has been and remains
> Rex Ryan.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i have to agree now 100 %. I am VERY glad you pointed out:

>"That doesn't exempt Schott for specific
> bad play calls and all the silly motion, trickery and off beat plays
> at the wrong time.."

still... rex is probably the guy that is not interested in shifting
gears and going heavy on passing even if they are facing a defense
who's db's can not defend the pass


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 9:50 am
From: John C TX


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> I've been saying this now for over a year.  But until now, the concept
> has been completely dismissed in this forum.  It's so much easier to
> tag the blame for the offensive game plan completely on
> Schottenheimer.  "Ground and Pound baby!" and that's against teams
> with the worst pass defenses in the NFL.  Duh.  Of course that's Rex's
> doing.  Has been all along.  That doesn't exempt Schott for specific
> bad play calls and all the silly motion, trickery and off beat plays
> at the wrong time... but it's time for everyone to realize that the
> decision maker for the overall offensive strategy has been and remains
> Rex Ryan.

& you could argue as you have that with a 2nd year QB with little
college experience it may be the correct one.

Last year he had 11 TD's, 20 int's & he fumbled 3 times. This year he
is on target to have 23 TD's ,11-12 int's & no lost fumbles.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 11:45 am
From: Tutor


On Dec 6, 12:50 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > I've been saying this now for over a year.  But until now, the concept
> > has been completely dismissed in this forum.  It's so much easier to
> > tag the blame for the offensive game plan completely on
> > Schottenheimer.  "Ground and Pound baby!" and that's against teams
> > with the worst pass defenses in the NFL.  Duh.  Of course that's Rex's
> > doing.  Has been all along.  That doesn't exempt Schott for specific
> > bad play calls and all the silly motion, trickery and off beat plays
> > at the wrong time... but it's time for everyone to realize that the
> > decision maker for the overall offensive strategy has been and remains
> > Rex Ryan.
>
> & you could argue as you have that with a 2nd year QB with little
> college experience it may be the correct one.
>
> Last year he had 11 TD's, 20 int's & he fumbled 3 times.  This year he
> is on target to have 23 TD's ,11-12 int's & no lost fumbles.

I still think that's so, but I have much more confidence in Mark now
than I did at the outset of the season. I think tonight we see ground
and pund and short passing from both teams. I worry aboout those two
good rookie TEs on NE. We can't stop any TEs.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:24 am
From: John C TX


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> John, I think it goes opposite. I think we win a close game of 10 points
> or less and risk being blown out if Rex/Shott cannot get the offense
> going. No way we can take out four receivers all game against this team.
>
> h

H, I am as nervous as a cat in a sack so anything I say is BS.
Leonard's injury didn't help.

Like I said it was just a gut feeling. Brady is a big time
performer. As a buddy from RSA would call it he has BMT for big match
temperament. If we can get some pressure -- I doubt we will throw the
kitchen sink at him too often-- but enough to stymie him on 3rd down
and Sanchez can play solid then we could do what the Browns did.

The one upside to Leonard's injury is that we could get a game breaker
as a punt returner. We also could fumble.


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:48 am
From: Michael


On Dec 6, 11:24 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > John, I think it goes opposite. I think we win a close game of 10 points
> > or less and risk being blown out if Rex/Shott cannot get the offense
> > going. No way we can take out four receivers all game against this team.
>
> > h
>
> H, I am as nervous as a cat in a sack so anything I say is BS.
> Leonard's injury didn't help.
>
> Like I said it was just a gut feeling.  Brady is a big time
> performer.  As a buddy from RSA would call it he has BMT for big match
> temperament.  If we can get some pressure -- I doubt we will throw the
> kitchen sink at him too often-- but enough to stymie him on 3rd down
> and Sanchez can play solid then we could do what the Browns did.
>
> The one upside to Leonard's injury is that we could get a game breaker
> as a punt returner. We also could fumble.

my spider sense is acting up again... i have a feeling that there
will be a bright silver lining to the leonhard injury... may be a big
play by e. smith or as you say... a big play by the punt returner
filling in for jimmy.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:48 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a3119a6d-a4cf-4a1b-8c0c-5139d5ee6036@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 6, 10:08 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article <idhtu5$19...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > well later today is the big game.
> > maybe the biggest game between the Pats and Jets.
> > neither group has been mentioning it much nor has the trash talk or
> > predictions been flying.
>
> > I expect either a close game or a blowout
> > .
> > both teams have been finding ways to win while giving their fans heart
> > attacks.
> > I'd wish the Jets good luck but I wouldn't mean it/
> > Pats 28-17.
>
> Thanks Ray, I feel the same way. You and Mark and some blasts from the
> past from this NG will be the only reason I will not be completely
> depressed if we don't dominate and win.
>
> Harlan

"Dominate?" I'll be very disappointed if the Jets don't win. But I
have no delusions that the Jets will dominate. That's just
unrealistic. The Patriots are a very good team that bends but doesn't
often break on defense.

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anybody who bets this game is crazed.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 9:41 am
From: John C TX


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> =====================================================================================
>
> anybody who bets this game is crazed.

Ray, anyone who bets any game is crazed.

I have buddies I watch football with on Sunday. They bet 500-1000 each
week. Every year I make the same offer place your bet with me & I
will give you back 90% of your money at the end of the year.

One wise guy who bets $1-5,000 makes a crack how about me. I told him
I would give him back 95% as I would make it up in volume.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 10:35 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:015e17e0-826d-4ff2-ba25-f981f8767bf3@q12g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>> =====================================================================================
>>
>> anybody who bets this game is crazed.
>
> Ray, anyone who bets any game is crazed.
>
> I have buddies I watch football with on Sunday. They bet 500-1000 each
> week. Every year I make the same offer place your bet with me & I
> will give you back 90% of your money at the end of the year.
>
> One wise guy who bets $1-5,000 makes a crack how about me. I told him
> I would give him back 95% as I would make it up in volume.

yup

all I ever needed to see was the odds on the "card" if you can pick just 4
winners they pay off at 10-1
picking 4 winners from all the pro and major college games looks easy.
yet the Mob rakes in millions every week.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 11:00 am
From: Michael


On Dec 6, 1:35 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:015e17e0-826d-4ff2-ba25-f981f8767bf3@q12g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
> >> ===========================================================================­==========
>
> >> anybody who bets this game is crazed.
>
> > Ray, anyone who bets any game is crazed.
>
> > I have buddies I watch football with on Sunday. They bet 500-1000 each
> > week.    Every year I make the same offer place your bet with me & I
> > will give you back 90% of your money at the end of the year.
>
> > One wise guy who bets $1-5,000 makes a crack how about me.  I told him
> > I would give him back 95% as I would make it up in volume.
>
> yup
>
> all I ever needed to see was the odds on the "card" if you can pick just 4
> winners they pay off at 10-1
> picking 4 winners from all the pro and major college games looks easy.
> yet the Mob rakes in millions every week.

i only saw fit to bet on one game this year... my five star pick...
not saying that i did bet, mind you... only that i saw it fit to do
so.... i saw it fit to bet 100 bucks on the cowboys beating the giants
the week after gatter took over... and some one saw it fit to give me
some money after the game for some strange reason

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:35 am
From: Michael


On Dec 6, 10:30 am, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:07583934-04b2-41bf-b0ad-710353c8da0b@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 6, 10:07 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <1dced024-ec8b-4ed1-8c48-e9423d2fc...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > The Steelers QB has a bad foot, they have other key injuries and the
> > > Ravens still can beat them in their own house. The Ravens are a total
> > > joke. Most over rated team in the league. The beginning of the end
> > > for that shit excuse of a team was when Rex left for the Jets. Now
> > > those bozos have only the by gone rep Rex built for them.
>
> > Hard to win when the CB who has been beaten all game is allowed to hold
> > the star Baltimore receiver for about four yards on the fourth down play
> > at the end of the game.
>
> > I can see giving Darrelle the benefit of the doubt on the last play of
> > the game. But giving someone who has been toasted all game a pass
> > against the Star receiver is indicative of how easy the Steelers have it.
>
> > Steelers continue to get star treatment from the officials. Even on the
> > road. Not a good matchup for any team.
>
> h.... i cant want to see what the refs do for the steelers when the
> jets go to town.
>
> *message to rex and schotty... dont try to play a close on in
> pittsburg... be ahead by 14 points going into the final minutes of the
> game or have the refs steal one from you to the benifit of the
> amabasador and his nfl brand name squeelers
>
> ========================================================================
>
> the key to beating the Squeerlers is to get a big enough lead that takes the
> refs out of the game.
> refs can't stop a blowout but they can a effect a close game.
>
> that being said the Ratbirds blew it themselves and the overrated Flacco
> bouncing that last pass short of a wide open reciever was the big play. that
> was a sure 1st down and a probable victory if he doesn't bounce it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

the pats beat them all the time because they jump all over them
early.... the steelers would be an 8-8 team every year with no
superbowls if the rest of the coaches understood the advantage that
the refs give them as well as the pats do. the list of screwed teams
is endless... raiders, seahawks, cards, ravens... hell... any team
that ever played them... the jets wont try to break it open against
them... the will try to ground and pund them... be physical and keep
it close... in short... the refs will take the game away from the jets
at the end of the 4th qtr


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 10:36 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:650fc73e-7fa0-476d-b79c-619c196f2e86@35g2000prt.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 6, 10:30 am, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:07583934-04b2-41bf-b0ad-710353c8da0b@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 6, 10:07 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <1dced024-ec8b-4ed1-8c48-e9423d2fc...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > The Steelers QB has a bad foot, they have other key injuries and the
> > > Ravens still can beat them in their own house. The Ravens are a total
> > > joke. Most over rated team in the league. The beginning of the end
> > > for that shit excuse of a team was when Rex left for the Jets. Now
> > > those bozos have only the by gone rep Rex built for them.
>
> > Hard to win when the CB who has been beaten all game is allowed to hold
> > the star Baltimore receiver for about four yards on the fourth down play
> > at the end of the game.
>
> > I can see giving Darrelle the benefit of the doubt on the last play of
> > the game. But giving someone who has been toasted all game a pass
> > against the Star receiver is indicative of how easy the Steelers have
> > it.
>
> > Steelers continue to get star treatment from the officials. Even on the
> > road. Not a good matchup for any team.
>
> h.... i cant want to see what the refs do for the steelers when the
> jets go to town.
>
> *message to rex and schotty... dont try to play a close on in
> pittsburg... be ahead by 14 points going into the final minutes of the
> game or have the refs steal one from you to the benifit of the
> amabasador and his nfl brand name squeelers
>
> ========================================================================
>
> the key to beating the Squeerlers is to get a big enough lead that takes
> the
> refs out of the game.
> refs can't stop a blowout but they can a effect a close game.
>
> that being said the Ratbirds blew it themselves and the overrated Flacco
> bouncing that last pass short of a wide open reciever was the big play.
> that
> was a sure 1st down and a probable victory if he doesn't bounce it.- Hide
> quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

the pats beat them all the time because they jump all over them
early.... the steelers would be an 8-8 team every year with no
superbowls if the rest of the coaches understood the advantage that
the refs give them as well as the pats do. the list of screwed teams
is endless... raiders, seahawks, cards, ravens... hell... any team
that ever played them... the jets wont try to break it open against
them... the will try to ground and pund them... be physical and keep
it close... in short... the refs will take the game away from the jets
at the end of the 4th qtr

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yup

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:43 am
From: Michael


On Dec 5, 8:35 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> This guy seems to be able to have successfully destroyed a fairly
> successful team. While perhaps he cannot be faulted for being unable to
> get Warner to come back, his handling of the Qb situation is a joke and
> his use of personnel does not inspire.
>
> I am so glad we did not get this loser.
>
> h

I posted here that the Cards would fall appart in short order without
Warner. He was that entire team. If he was still there they would
have won the div. Wisenhunt is a decent coach that lost a HOF QB.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:50 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes
> > > All right. Intrude with details/facts. Same result.
>
> > > h
>
> > I thought I wrote that post.
>
> > :)
>
> > I was scratching my head wondering how did Linehan destroy the Lions.
>
> > btw someone was telling me earlier this year how Whisenunt is a good
> > OC. It's the QB.
>
> That is obvious, but he picked Anderson and cut the USC kid, who is
> clearly better than anyone on the roster.

Maybe, time will tell. Leinhart may suck.
>
> With all the young-uns doing OK at Qb (Freeman, Colt McCoy) and
> resurgent vets (e.g., Kitna), the Whizz failed to get any of them.

Does he run the front office?

He got arrogant.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 12:20 pm
From: MBD


>> > All right. Intrude with details/facts. Same result.
>> >
>> > h
>>
>> I thought I wrote that post.
>>
>> :)

Yeah. WTF?

>> I was scratching my head wondering how did Linehan destroy the Lions.
>>
>> btw someone was telling me earlier this year how Whisenunt is a good
>> OC. It's the QB.
>
> That is obvious, but he picked Anderson and cut the USC kid, who is
> clearly better than anyone on the roster.
>
> With all the young-uns doing OK at Qb (Freeman, Colt McCoy) and
> resurgent vets (e.g., Kitna), the Whizz failed to get any of them.

Leinart sucks. It's six of one, half a dozen of another between him and
Anderson.

MBD

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:46 am
From: John C TX


Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> nice punt return.  Too bad he raises his arm with the #1 sign at the
> 40 which slowed him down the nanosecond needed for the punter to be
> able to trip him up before he scores.  I miss the days when the Jets
> had an exciting punt return man.  In fact, I don't remember Leon
> returning punts for us at all, just KOs.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0M1IvEuw0w


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He returned some. That ended with Ryan. You wonder why I think Rex is
the conservative one? I won't be shocked if he returns.

:)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:46 am
From: DIet Plan <1of9@kaxy.com>


On Dec 6, 10:38 am, DIet Plan <1...@kaxy.com> wrote:
> .

,

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:47 am
From: DIet Plan <1of9@kaxy.com>


On Dec 6, 10:37 am, DIet Plan <1...@kaxy.com> wrote:
> .

.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 8:48 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes
> John, he did. But like Chris Baker and Kendall, it did not benefit him
> all that much with ringless stints in Cincy and Foreskins to show for it.
>
> I think Coles would have done better had he chosen just to be rich and
> stay here.
>
> harlan

I agree. I actually think the jets jump on that opportunity to get him
off the payroll to the Bengals.

It still kills me we couldn't have found $250,000 to tag him as #1
tender the 1st time.

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 9:22 am
From: Neil X


Turn out the lights, the party's over.

Always entertaining, seldom perspicacious, beloved by millions. 21st
Century networks could use more announcers like him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5890812

Peace,
Neil X.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 9:32 am
From: Deadmeat


On 12/6/2010 10:36 AM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> he died last nite from a brain hemorage.
> he was a 1st rate QB and he endeared himself to America by calling out
> Cosell on his bullshit.
> When Lennon was murdered Cosell was against mentioning such a trivial thing
> on the air during a game.
> Meredith insisted it was big news and had to be mentioned, after a few
> minutes arguing Meredith carried the argument and Cosell read the
> announcement.
> it became the biggest story Cosell ever broke and he ever after took full
> "credit" for thr the story.
> a leaked tape of the off-air debate in the booth showed it was Dandy Don and
> Frank Gifford who wanted it mentioned.
>
> RIP dandy Don.
>
>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gcdz1IRVoM&feature=youtube_gdata_player


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 9:49 am
From: yoker


One of my favorites, too.
> > RIP dandy Don

:_(


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 11:08 am
From: the felonious kidd


On Dec 6, 9:22 am, Neil X <nei...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Always entertaining, seldom perspicacious, beloved by millions.  21st
> Century networks could use more announcers like him.

"Perspicacious". So does that mean you are or are not in favor of
bringing back Dennis Miller to Monday Night Football?

Adios Don. I won't hold the fact that you were a Dallas Cowboy against
you.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 12:32 pm
From: "JKConey"


Unlike many I loved Cosell, and Don as well. The guy I could ever stand was
Gifford. He was often lost on what was happening, and was a shill for the
network.


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== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 12:38 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"the felonious kidd" <bob_aran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8318766f-8d4e-4f5e-af8a-f9ab80b379c0@o23g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 6, 9:22 am, Neil X <nei...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Always entertaining, seldom perspicacious, beloved by millions. 21st
> Century networks could use more announcers like him.

"Perspicacious". So does that mean you are or are not in favor of
bringing back Dennis Miller to Monday Night Football?

Adios Don. I won't hold the fact that you were a Dallas Cowboy against
you


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why is it when commedians come out as Republicans any hint of humour deserts
them?
Miller, P.J.O'Rourke, Ben Stein, well not Stein he was never funny.
but connedservatives seems to be humouristically challenged.
and the jokes wingnuts post to the usenet would embarrass a 12 year old with
their lamosity.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 12:39 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:idjh85$eba$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Unlike many I loved Cosell, and Don as well. The guy I could ever stand
> was Gifford. He was often lost on what was happening, and was a shill for
> the network.
>
>
> --
>
> www.myconeyislandmemories.com

the Giff was a great player. before the AFL and the Pats existed the Giants
were the "home" team for New England.
the Giff was cool and one of my heros.
yeah he sucked in the booth.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 10:20 am
From: Michael


Tonights weather in Foxboro is going to be in the low 20's with
constant wind gusting up to 25 mph...

Good for power running. I'm beginning to doubt that the Jets will
open up the offense. You almost have to try to ground it out in
conditions like that. It should not cause too many problems for the
Pats short passing game.

I've been talking to both Jets and Pats fans about this game. Not a
single person is sure about who will win or what will go on during the
game.

This is going to be interesting....


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SUNY Scientists Find Longer DRD4 Gene Can Lead to Double Risk for
Promiscuity, Infidelity

By SUSAN DONALDSON JAMES
Dec. 6, 2010

John Coleman, a 22-year-old from Syracuse, N.Y., has been engaged for
the last two years and cannot fathom having sex with anyone other than
his girlfriend.

"I find cheating appalling," said Coleman. "There's got to be
something going on in your head to cheat."

It turns out Coleman is right.

In what is being called a first of its kind study, researchers at
Binghamton University, State University of New York (SUNY) have
discovered that about half of all people have a gene that makes them
more vulnerable to promiscuity and cheating.

Those with a certain variant of the dopamine receptor D4 polymorphism
-- or DRD4 gene -- "were more likely to have a history of uncommitted
sex, including one-night stands and acts of infidelity," according to
lead investigator Justin Garcia.

DRD4 is the "thrill-seeking" gene, also responsible for alcohol and
gambling addictions. The gene can influence the brain's chemistry and
subsequently, an individual's behavior.

The desire to cheat or sleep around seems to originate in the brain's
pleasure and reward center, where the "rush" of dopamine motivates
those who are vulnerable, the researchers say.

In the study, Garcia instructed 181 student volunteers at SUNY to take
an anonymous survey on their previous sexual behavior, asking them
questions like how many sex partners they had and if they had ever
been unfaithful.

He then tested their DNA by oral rinsing with a special mouthwash -- a
buccal wash -- and genotyped the DRD4.

His team discovered that there is a variation in the thrill-seeking
gene and those with much longer alleles are more prone to, well,
getting prone. (An allele is part of the gene's DNA sequence
responsible for different traits such as eye color or curly hair.)

Those with at least one 7-repeat allele reported a higher rate of
promiscuity -- that is admitting to a "one-night stand." The same
group had a 50 percent increase in instances of sexual cheating.

"It turns out everyone has got the gene," said Garcia, who is a
doctoral fellow in the laboratory of evolutionary anthropology and
health at SUNY Binghamton. "Just as height varies, the amount of
information in the gene varies. In those who have more, their alleles
are longer and they are more prone to thrill-seeking."

"It's inheritable, too," he said. "If your parents have it, you have
it."

When the brain is stimulated -- drinking alcohol, jumping from planes,
having sex -- it releases dopamine, the pleasure response hormone.

"It's rewarding and makes us excited and gives us pleasure," said
Garcia. "But the people with the DRD4 gene need more stimuli to feel
satiated. Some of say 'wow,' that was a rush after jumping out of a
plane. Others ask, 'When is the plane going back up?'"

But not everyone is convinced a roving eye is rooted in DNA.

"Certain people are vulnerable to affairs, but in the end, it's about
personal choice," said Jenn Berman, a psychologist and host of "The
Love and Sex Show" on Cosmo Radio. "And it depends on how well-
developed their impulse control is."

Still, the study could have some interesting implications.

Armed with that kind of data, John Coleman said he might be inclined
to test his fiance and himself as well.

"It's like getting tested for STDs," he said. "It's the ultimate form
of honesty, really," he said.

But Garcia said the gene for risk also might have an evolutionary
advantage, beyond producing more children.

The gene evolved about 30,000 to 50,000 years ago when humans were
moving out of Africa.

"Having some individuals who have wanderlust and want to see what's on
the other side mountain. It's important for new places to live. But
it's also risk-taking. Sometimes, going to the other side of the
mountain means that something eats you. There is a cost and a
benefit."

Some of the implications of this study might be "huge," and not just
in the bedroom. "The big question is what happens in drug rehab if you
have a long allele and others don't? They might have different
treatments."

Not All Who Have Gene Will Be Sluts or Cheaters

The study also strongly suggests that sex drive and thrill can
function independently of love.

That might be the case with Emma, a 20-year-old student from
University of Florida, who just broken up with her boyfriend after a
two-year monogamous relationship.

She wanted to try something different, so she slept with three men in
one month. Two were encounters with guys she had been friends with and
another was a fling that transformed into a longer relationship.

"I'd never done anything like that before," said Emma, who did not
want to reveal her last name. "It was something so new to me."

She said it's not in her personality to take risks. Defying college
stereotypes, Emma's never touched alcohol and has only smoked
marijuana once.

And now that she is in a committed relationship, Emma is certain she
won't be unfaithful.

Upbringing, experience and culture may actually wield more influence
than the risk-taking gene, according to Susan Quilliam, a noted
British psychologist and author of the updated "Joy of Sex."

"We are learning more and more about genes implicated in behaviors,"
she said. "Every time a genetic study comes out, responsible
scientists also stress that we have choice -- nature and nurture," she
said.

"Not everyone with the gene is promiscuous and not everyone who is
promiscuous will have that gene."

And can't risk-taking be a good thing?

"Sometimes that overlaps with creativity, with entrepreneurship and
wanting to push the boundaries," she said. "In relationships that can
be exciting and fulfilling and help the whole couple move into new
areas."

So should a woman have her boyfriend tested before accepting his
marriage proposal?

"By the time she meets him, unless he is very young, his track record
will prove whether he has acted on his infidelity gene or not," said
Quilliam. "If he has been unfaithful in the past, he is likely to do
it in the future."

Maureen Finn, a 19-year-old television, film and radio major at
Syracuse University, agrees.

"I mean if you meet a guy at a party and he's making out with three
other girls, that's a hint," she said. "If you're disrespecting me,
something tells me you're not going to respect me enough to be
faithful."

ABC's On Campus reporters Sierra Jiminez of Syracuse University and
Meg Wagner of University of South Florida contributed to this story.

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The State government's initiative of resorting to the PPP mode intends
to provide quality education for higher studies in backward districts
Published on 12/06/2010

Ranchi: Having failed to cash in on the University Grants Commission's
(UGC) initiatives under the 12th Five Year Plan, the Jharkhand
government has decided to open new colleges in backward regions of the
State on public-private partnership (PPP) mode.

The State government's initiative of resorting to the PPP mode intends
to provide quality education for higher studies in backward districts.
"If the model bore good results, the experiments would be extended to
other areas as well," Human Resources Development (HRD) Secretary
Mridula Sinha said.

Opening of quality colleges has come on the government agenda with
alarming rise in drop out of students particularly for the higher
education. Literacy rate of Jharkhand is around 69 per cent as per the
2001 census, but enrolment ratio is around eight per cent, which is
three per cent lower the national average.

More than 40 per cent students don't opt for college education after
completing their higher secondary for want of colleges at convenient
distance.

"Exact number of colleges is yet to be decided as the department is
engaged in formulating the details of the project. This will, however,
in the line of the government's thinking of ensuring a good quality
college at the sub-division levels," Sinha added.

In accordance with its initiative to promote higher education, the UGC
has recently sanctioned 374 colleges across the country, which was to
be completed by 2012.

Twelve colleges were sanctioned by the UGC for Jharkhand. However,
given the rise in number of students dropping out for the higher
education for want of institute, it is too less a number of colleges
the State needed, the officer said.

Blaming the shortage of fund for non-availability of new colleges,
Sinha said that Rs 10 crore was sanctioned for opening of new
colleges. Out of this, one-third will be borne out by the Centre, and
the rest has to be managed from the State resources. "The PPP model is
being mooted to deal with the fund crunch," said the secretary.

UGS statistics suggest that the country's gross enrolment ratio of 11
per cent is very low as compared to the world average of 23 per cent,
36.5 per cent for countries in transition and 55 per cent for the
development ones. "Of the 584 districts in the country, enrolment
ratio is lower than the national average in 374 districts, identified
as tribal and backward by the UGC," Sinha said.

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The notices were served on a petition challenging appointment of
Thomas as the Chief Vigilance Commissioner by the government
Published on 12/06/2010

New Delhi: The Supreme Court on Monday issued notice to the central
government and PJ Thomas on a petition challenging his appointment as
the Chief Vigilance Commissioner (CVC).

Thomas' appointment as CVC has been challenged in a public suit. The
court will hear the matter on January 27, 2011, reports IANS.

The opposition has been demanding Thomas' resignation as he has been
charge sheeted in a palm oil import scam when he was Kerala's Civil
Supplies Secretary.

Thomas, who was the Telecom Secretary prior to becoming the CVC, has
recused himself from the ongoing probe into the allocation of 2G
spectrum that the Comptroller and Auditor General of India says caused
a presumptive loss of Rs 1.76 crore to the exchequer.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10509 Government's heavy legislative agenda grounded

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Government's heavy legislative agenda grounded
http://igovernment.in/site/governments-heavy-legislative-agenda-grounded-38886

Lok Sabha has passed only two Bills in the 17 days the House has met
so far in the Winter Session
Published on 12/06/2010

New Delhi: The government had a heavy legislative agenda on its hands
for the Winter session which ends December 13 but has not been able to
make much headway due to the continuing logjam in Parliament.

According to information compiled by PRS Legislative, an independent
research initiative that tracks functioning of Parliament, the
government agenda included 23 pending Bills for consideration and
passing, eight new Bills listed for introduction, consideration and
passing and 24 new Bills for introduction.

The Bills listed for introduction included the National Identification
Authority of India Bill, 2010, Protection of Women from Sexual
Harassment at Workplace Bill, 2010 and the Biotechnology Regulatory
Authority of India, Bill, 2010.

The Bills listed for consideration and passing included the Prevention
of Torture Bill, 2010, the Seeds Bill, 2004 and the Commercial
Divisions of High Courts Bill, 2009,reports IANS.

Parliament officials said that apart form the Bills relating to the
financial business that were passed amid din, Lok Sabha has passed
only two Bills in the 17 days the House has met so far in the winter
session. The two Bills, that were passed November 9, relate to the
changing the name of Orissa to Odisha and its language to Odia.

They said only four financial Bills were passed by Rajya Sabha amid
din since the winter session began Nov

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10509 India, France ink MoU in education sector

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India, France ink MoU in education sector
http://igovernment.in/site/india-france-ink-mou-education-sector-38885

Setting up of a joint laboratory for water sciences and research
collaborations and other academic exchange programmes with seven IITs
are part of it
Published on 12/06/2010

New Delhi: India and France on Monday signed two memoranda of
understanding (MoUs) in the field of education, focussing on academic
collaboration and research.

Under the first MoU, between France's Institute de Recherche pour le
Developpement (IRD) and Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, a
joint laboratory for water sciences would be established in India.

Called Indo-French Cell for Water Sciences (IFCWS), or Cellule Franco-
Indienne de Recherche en Sciences de l'Eau (CEFIRSE), the lab would
focus on research, training and foreign collaborations.

The second agreement was signed between ParisTech and seven Indian
Institutes of Technology (Kharagpur, Bombay, Madras, Kanpur, Delhi,
Guwahati and Roorkee).

The MoU will focus on student exchanges, research collaborations and
other academic exchange programmes.

It also provides for IITs and ParisTech to participate jointly various
European Commission initiatives, reports IANS.

The two countries also finalised a draft MoU to be signed between IIT-
Rajasthan and France in areas of renewable energy, aerospace and
mechanical engineering, among others.

The agreements are among the several signed between the two countries
during French President Nicolas Sarkozy's current India visit,
including a $9.3 billion deal to set up two nuclear reactors in
Maharashtra and a pact to upgrade Mirage 2000 fighter aircrafts.

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