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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 FBI Discharges An Internal Memo Against Barbie Video Girl, Warning Of Its Potential Use For Child Pornography

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FBI Discharges An Internal Memo Against Barbie Video Girl, Warning Of
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 Pupils sleep in their school after heavy snow traps them

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Pupils sleep in their school after heavy snow traps them
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 ‘We are ok’: Foreigners tweet about Varanasi blast

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'We are ok': Foreigners tweet about Varanasi blast
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 CBI recommends case against former Chandigarh official

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CBI recommends case against former Chandigarh official
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 Rajpipla scion meets Bruni to discuss HIV/AIDS in India

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Rajpipla scion meets Bruni to discuss HIV/AIDS in India
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Rajpipla-scion-meets-Bruni-to-discuss-HIV-AIDS-in-India/721827/

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 ED joins CBI probe into foodgrain scam

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ED joins CBI probe into foodgrain scam
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/ED-joins-CBI-probe-into-foodgrain-scam/articleshow/7063263.cms

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 End terrorism, says GCC as its summit concludes

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End terrorism, says GCC as its summit concludes
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 PM attends pre-Christmas function

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PM attends pre-Christmas function
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 Tata benefited most, says Chandrasekhar

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Tata benefited most, says Chandrasekhar
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Tata-benefited-most--says-Chandrasekhar/721818

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 Janet Nappylatino Using Walmart to Spy on American Citizens

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Janet Nappylatino Using Walmart to Spy on American Citizens
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 ‘Man paid money to have his Indian-origin wife killed’

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'Man paid money to have his Indian-origin wife killed'
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 Muslim Brotherhood front group trains airport screeners to be sharia compliant

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Muslim Brotherhood front group trains airport screeners to be sharia
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10577 Island nations float proposal to debunk Kyoto

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Island nations float proposal to debunk Kyoto
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10563 Govt facing tough call on food security

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Govt facing tough call on food security
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Govt-facing-tough-call-on-food-security/articleshow/7063223.cms

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10563 Varanasi bomb blast: Terror email sent from Mumbai

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Varanasi bomb blast: Terror email sent from Mumbai
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10563 Raja tried to influence Madras HC judge

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Raja tried to influence Madras HC judge
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10563 Sarkozy wants India to open economy

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Sarkozy wants India to open economy
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10563 UPA 1 scam back to haunt UPA 2: CBI to probe PSU ‘fraud’ in Africa rice exports

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UPA 1 scam back to haunt UPA 2: CBI to probe PSU 'fraud' in Africa
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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/upa-1-scam-back-to-haunt-upa-2-cbi-to-probe-psu-fraud-in-africa-rice-exports/721712/

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10563 HC lifts stay imposed on Lavasa work by MoEF

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HC lifts stay imposed on Lavasa work by MoEF
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hc-lifts-stay-imposed-on-lavasa-work-by-moef/721726/

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10563 HC suspends lawyer who used Raja’s name to pressure Madras judge

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HC suspends lawyer who used Raja's name to pressure Madras judge
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hc-suspends-lawyer-who-used-rajas-name-to-pressure-madras-judge/721717/

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10563 Infant killed in Varanasi terror

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Infant killed in Varanasi terror
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10563 IM sends email, ‘biased’ Babri verdict its theme

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IM sends email, 'biased' Babri verdict its theme
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/im-sends-email-biased-babri-verdict-its-theme/721703/

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:10563 No sale of gutka, pan masala in pouches from March 2011

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No sale of gutka, pan masala in pouches from March 2011
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alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 26 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* On the bright side - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/704643d8ad24cbd5?hl=en
* Miami: Perfect Opponent - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3b136715fe07fd11?hl=en
* Jets-Pats round two game thoughts... - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a37eff012a4c6f93?hl=en
* Not Yet Ready For Prime Time Coaching - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/78f996ae3bc92c61?hl=en
* How about Josh McDaniels for OC of the NYJ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/dbe3877a8a672499?hl=en
* Why did they not keep J. Feeley ??? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5de28bb0c950ddf9?hl=en
* The Pats Just Scored Again - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/15c3cff7a2a5a19a?hl=en
* Live by the blitz, die by the blitz - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7bbf055cf2525945?hl=en
* repost from an old friend - 5 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/dfacb44b8a794201?hl=en

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TOPIC: On the bright side
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/704643d8ad24cbd5?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 4:27 pm
From: "JKConey"

"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-050611.11240907122010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <idkchr$ls0$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On the bright side....
>>
>> 1. Every team has at least 1 really bad loss already this year.
>> 2. We're still 9-3
>> 3. A loss is just one loss no matter what
>> 4. Maybe they'll fire Shot now?
>> 5. We win next week, and could be right back there
>>
>> OK I'm done
>
> Is this the definition of Pollyanna?
>
> Harlan


I'm so old, it conjured up visions of Hayley Mills!


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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:00 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <idmjec$83m$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:

> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> news:harlan-050611.11240907122010@news60.forteinc.com...
> > In article <idkchr$ls0$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On the bright side....
> >>
> >> 1. Every team has at least 1 really bad loss already this year.
> >> 2. We're still 9-3
> >> 3. A loss is just one loss no matter what
> >> 4. Maybe they'll fire Shot now?
> >> 5. We win next week, and could be right back there
> >>
> >> OK I'm done
> >
> > Is this the definition of Pollyanna?
> >
> > Harlan
>
>
> I'm so old, it conjured up visions of Hayley Mills!

AT my age, someone who looks like her seems scrumptious :-(

h


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:15 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-18CA8C.21003007122010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <idmjec$83m$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>> news:harlan-050611.11240907122010@news60.forteinc.com...
>> > In article <idkchr$ls0$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> > "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On the bright side....
>> >>
>> >> 1. Every team has at least 1 really bad loss already this year.
>> >> 2. We're still 9-3
>> >> 3. A loss is just one loss no matter what
>> >> 4. Maybe they'll fire Shot now?
>> >> 5. We win next week, and could be right back there
>> >>
>> >> OK I'm done
>> >
>> > Is this the definition of Pollyanna?
>> >
>> > Harlan
>>
>>
>> I'm so old, it conjured up visions of Hayley Mills!
>
> AT my age, someone who looks like her seems scrumptious :-(
>
> h

I saw a picture of her now, she was in a play my nephew did stage work
on.......not to bad for her age I guess.

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TOPIC: Miami: Perfect Opponent
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3b136715fe07fd11?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 4:49 pm
From: rt


On Dec 7, 2:48 pm, BicketyBam <Blo...@joemama.net> wrote:
> euphy <e phem...@mindspring.com> wrote innews:49j29a.1u5.19.2@news.alt.net:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12/7/2010 3:46 PM, BicketyBam wrote:
> >> Miami is the perfect opponent for us this week. They aren't so bad
> >> that a win rings hollow and they aren't good enough to beat us at
> >> home. I have watched a fair amount of the Dolphins games this year
> >> and I can't see them beating us on Sunday. Their defense is pretty
> >> good, but it can be beat especially by passes to Keller. Cam Wake is
> >> an excellent pass rusher, but we held him sackless in the first
> >> meeting. Miami will have a hard time covering Edwards, Holmes,
> >> Cotchery and Keller. Running will be tough sledding, but we will
> >> eventually get out yards. Henne has looked mostly awful this year. He
> >> has a very hard time with cover 2 and I hope Rex and staff have
> >> noticed. I would play lots of zone and wait for him to be confused,
> >> which shouldn't take long. He was God awful last week. Lastly, Ricky
> >> and Ronnie will do nothing against us on the ground.
>
> >> There is no reason why the Jets shouldn't improve to 10-3 with a
> >> convincing victory over Miami on Sunday. We will also be 4-1 in the
> >> division and will have ended any glimmer of playoff hope for Miami.
> >> Bank on it. Rex is going to have the defense ready to kill. Sunday
> >> can't get here soon enough.
>
> > YES!  YES!  WE BEAT MIAMI AND THEN MEET THE PATS IN THE PLAY....  oh
> > fuck.....
>
> I'll take my chances with another shot at the Pats.....and who knows - the
> Pats might lose and we never have to  play them. Like last year. And Miami
> will be home. Like last year.
>
> But I digress. Miami is really in for an ass kicking.

Yes Bam, last years' waltzing into to the playoffs against
insurmountable odds was truly awe inspiring, but I think you'll find
the end of this season may play out a bit differently facing some
decent teams who actually have incentive to win.

As a Dolphins fan I think the analysis posed in your OP is pretty
accurate. We are a poorly coached, offensively-flawed team with a
decent defense. I'd trade you a Henning for a Shotty in a nanosecond,
but odds are, neither of us would be happy with the replacement.

Henne is not good, and he's likely not ever going be above average.
From what I've seen of the Jet's D, without the predictable overloads
and full on blitzes, they don't seem to pressure the QB, but
unfortunately Chad is a guy who may do worse when he has time to think
about it. Given our running game is anemic, and our top two WRs are
either out or injured, a standard cover 2 will likely suffice.

I've never been a huge Sanchez fan, but at this stage of the game he
shows more promise than Chad, although I'm curious to see how he'll
handle a serious run of adversity. We've got a patchwork secondary,
and Keller and Holmes will likely post big numbers.

But, this is Miami/NYJ. Anything can happen and often does.

It should be entertaining.

rt

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TOPIC: Jets-Pats round two game thoughts...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a37eff012a4c6f93?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 5:43 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 7, 6:18 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:60f50eb4-ba01-4644-9418-b02746f85923@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Easy enough to write off a total destruction as a bad day... Better
> > than losing a close one in OT.  Jets got out done in every aspect of
> > the game but it was more of a fluke kind of game than a real ass
> > kicking.  Last year, the Pats beat the Jets in their second meeting
> > and the Jets still went to the AFC champ game while the Pats got wiped
> > out by the Ravens.  Two major issues here to worry about but nothing
> > we did not already know.  Lack of guys who can rush the passer and
> > poor game planning and play calling on offense.  Rex is using
> > defensive scheme to try to make up for a lack of pass rushers but it
> > wont work against brady or manning with just the smoke and mirrors.
> > The Jets need a bona fied pass rush.  Their defensive issues are pure
> > manpower issues.  The Jets have good LB's and CB's but are weak on the
> > line with pass rushing.  They get no pressue up the gut or from the
> > edge.  I dont blame the DB's. They are being asked to hold up an
> > entire pass defense. Also... The Jets offense is like a boat with a
> > hole in it.  No matter how good your rowers are, the boat is going to
> > sink.  They never have a good offensive game plan and the play calling
> > never shows intelligent flow.  Schotty is the hole...
>
> Michael...the Pats ran the ball at will...and they passed at will...that was
> an ass kicking.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

what game were you watching ??? the jets almost pulled it out in the
end... the pats got lucky.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:11 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3a7cca34-c3f3-4784-99e6-e6e591be8864@u9g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 7, 6:18 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:60f50eb4-ba01-4644-9418-b02746f85923@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Easy enough to write off a total destruction as a bad day... Better
> > than losing a close one in OT. Jets got out done in every aspect of
> > the game but it was more of a fluke kind of game than a real ass
> > kicking. Last year, the Pats beat the Jets in their second meeting
> > and the Jets still went to the AFC champ game while the Pats got wiped
> > out by the Ravens. Two major issues here to worry about but nothing
> > we did not already know. Lack of guys who can rush the passer and
> > poor game planning and play calling on offense. Rex is using
> > defensive scheme to try to make up for a lack of pass rushers but it
> > wont work against brady or manning with just the smoke and mirrors.
> > The Jets need a bona fied pass rush. Their defensive issues are pure
> > manpower issues. The Jets have good LB's and CB's but are weak on the
> > line with pass rushing. They get no pressue up the gut or from the
> > edge. I dont blame the DB's. They are being asked to hold up an
> > entire pass defense. Also... The Jets offense is like a boat with a
> > hole in it. No matter how good your rowers are, the boat is going to
> > sink. They never have a good offensive game plan and the play calling
> > never shows intelligent flow. Schotty is the hole...
>
> Michael...the Pats ran the ball at will...and they passed at will...that
> was
> an ass kicking.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

what game were you watching ??? the jets almost pulled it out in the
end... the pats got lucky.

Hey...stop with the whacky weed :-) I'm not even going to get into the
incredibly stupid decisions made on offense. It blows my mind that some
can't see what you and a few others have been saying for quite some time.
It does not even resemble any other successful team's approach...none of
them....but it does look like a real shoe box offense, no rhythm or rhyme to
it.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:47 pm
From: JetsLife


On Dec 7, 12:07 am, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:60f50eb4-ba01-4644-9418-b02746f85923@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Easy enough to write off a total destruction as a bad day... Better
> > than losing a close one in OT.  Jets got out done in every aspect of
> > the game but it was more of a fluke kind of game than a real ass
> > kicking.  Last year, the Pats beat the Jets in their second meeting
> > and the Jets still went to the AFC champ game while the Pats got wiped
> > out by the Ravens.  Two major issues here to worry about but nothing
> > we did not already know.  Lack of guys who can rush the passer and
> > poor game planning and play calling on offense.  Rex is using
> > defensive scheme to try to make up for a lack of pass rushers but it
> > wont work against brady or manning with just the smoke and mirrors.
> > The Jets need a bona fied pass rush.  Their defensive issues are pure
> > manpower issues.  The Jets have good LB's and CB's but are weak on the
> > line with pass rushing.  They get no pressue up the gut or from the
> > edge.  I dont blame the DB's. They are being asked to hold up an
> > entire pass defense. Also... The Jets offense is like a boat with a
> > hole in it.  No matter how good your rowers are, the boat is going to
> > sink.  They never have a good offensive game plan and the play calling
> > never shows intelligent flow.  Schotty is the hole...
>
> no it wasn't a fluke.
> it was a good old fashioned ass-kicking rout.
> as they say "give BB two weeks and he can scheme to stop Attila the Hun".- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I agree. It wasn't a fluke. The Pats offense, in particular,
annhiliated the Jets defense.

I think the loss of Leonhard is devastating to the Jets pass defense
and thus the defense overall.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:51 pm
From: JetsLife


On Dec 7, 2:05 am, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Michael"  wrote in message
>
> news:60f50eb4-ba01-4644-9418-b02746f85923@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> Easy enough to write off a total destruction as a bad day... Better
> than losing a close one in OT.  Jets got out done in every aspect of
> the game but it was more of a fluke kind of game than a real ass
> kicking.  Last year, the Pats beat the Jets in their second meeting
> and the Jets still went to the AFC champ game while the Pats got wiped
> out by the Ravens.  Two major issues here to worry about but nothing
> we did not already know.  Lack of guys who can rush the passer and
> poor game planning and play calling on offense.  Rex is using
> defensive scheme to try to make up for a lack of pass rushers but it
> wont work against brady or manning with just the smoke and mirrors.
> The Jets need a bona fied pass rush.  Their defensive issues are pure
> manpower issues.  The Jets have good LB's and CB's but are weak on the
> line with pass rushing.  They get no pressue up the gut or from the
> edge.  I dont blame the DB's. They are being asked to hold up an
> entire pass defense. Also... The Jets offense is like a boat with a
> hole in it.  No matter how good your rowers are, the boat is going to
> sink.  They never have a good offensive game plan and the play calling
> never shows intelligent flow.  Schotty is the hole...
>
> It was a tale of two quarterbacks just like it was before the game was
> played.  The Jets have a lousy quarterback and they will always have a lousy
> result until they get a better quarterback or the quarterback they have gets
> a lot better.
>
> The Jets have a lousy quarterback and talking about the CB or LB is just a
> waste of your time.
>
> Pull your head out of the stats sheets and admit that the Jets have a lousy
> quarterback just like they always do and will lose just like they always
> lose.
>
> If the Jets had drafted Tom Brady they would have won about ten more Super
> Bowls by now.

Umm, the Pats haven't won a real Super Bowl* yet.

Jets have one, Pats have zero.

The Pats have asterisk bowls, no Super Bowls. ;-)

*Garnered while cheating?


==============================================================================
TOPIC: Not Yet Ready For Prime Time Coaching
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/78f996ae3bc92c61?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 5:45 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:66201181-5628-4745-96f8-810b079ecf43@e20g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 7, 11:21 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article <04irf6lss77mj345uid0mfl6a5l8ug1...@4ax.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:15:48 -0500, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article <n4idnVo5mfcaOmDRnZ2dnUVZ_uudn...@giganews.com>,
> > > "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >> Preparation, Game Planning, and Execution (and yes it is the
> > >> responsibility
> > >> of the coaches to get them to execute)....it is clear that all the
> > >> bravado
> > >> and talk is just that...facing a top opponent Rex and company look
> > >> like an
> > >> embarassment at this point. This is what some of us have been talking
> > >> about...this D is all guessing...and he is not guessing right....and
> > >> the O
> > >> can not take advantage of any of the weaknesses the D gives
> > >> them....the
> > >> hurry up worked...so they get out of it....poor, poor coaching.
>
> > >You left out the special teams. Missed FG and shanked punt. Thank god I
> > >gave up on the game then.
>
> > >I would not let Weatherford and Folk ride back on the plane. They would
> > >be gone. Neither was ready.
>
> > >FWIW, Rex is stupid. Why put the slowest player on the field on a deep
> > >route on a TE. Smith was behind the TE yet the ball barely made it to
> > >Smith's feet; since he had no idea where the ball was, instead of
> > >intercepting by stopping and getting the ball, the POS interfere's with
> > >the TE on an uncatchable ball.
>
> > >When I turned off the game, Welker had had no catches on Revis. Instead
> > >of using Cro on a TE, they waste him on the smaller branch.
>
> > >Rex misused his personnel.
>
> > >Maybe we make the playoffs. Maybe not.
>
> > >Not ready for prime time this team.
>
> > >The Patriots are a flawed Defense and it is 3 points in the second
> > >half.
>
> > >Joke.
>
> > >h
>
> > Agreed about the misuse of personnel, although he's very limited in what
> > he
> > could do with
> > the talent we have.
> > Amazin' aint it... all season, we make every D look like the Steel
> > Curtain of
> > years past.
>
> I disagree. He has Coleman, Lowery, Pool, Ihedigbo and Cole all of whom
> are faster than POS. He could have put Coleman, et. all on Branch and
> taken a TE out of the game. While Leonhard is a solid player and he was
> missed, there was no necessity of the assignments that Rex and Pettine
> chose.
>
> harlan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i think that *POS* was the guy who was best prepaired to call the
coverages in the absense of leonhard

YUP....I hesitate to call anyone who can make an NFL team a POS...can't get
into that kind of stuff...he may not be as good as someone would like, but
he is a person and I do not think he does not try...he just may not be as
good as a top first team player is. OMHO. Papa Carl


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 5:56 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<66201181-5628-4745-96f8-810b079ecf43@e20g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Dec 7, 11:21�am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > In article <04irf6lss77mj345uid0mfl6a5l8ug1...@4ax.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > �buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:15:48 -0500, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >In article <n4idnVo5mfcaOmDRnZ2dnUVZ_uudn...@giganews.com>,
> > > > "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Preparation, Game Planning, and Execution (and yes it is the
> > > >> responsibility
> > > >> of the coaches to get them to execute)....it is clear that all the
> > > >> bravado
> > > >> and talk is just that...facing a top opponent Rex and company look
> > > >> like an
> > > >> embarassment at this point. �This is what some of us have been talking
> > > >> about...this D is all guessing...and he is not guessing right....and
> > > >> the O
> > > >> can not take advantage of any of the weaknesses the D gives
> > > >> them....the
> > > >> hurry up worked...so they get out of it....poor, poor coaching.
> >
> > > >You left out the special teams. Missed FG and shanked punt. Thank god I
> > > >gave up on the game then.
> >
> > > >I would not let Weatherford and Folk ride back on the plane. They would
> > > >be gone. Neither was ready.
> >
> > > >FWIW, Rex is stupid. Why put the slowest player on the field on a deep
> > > >route on a TE. Smith was behind the TE yet the ball barely made it to
> > > >Smith's feet; since he had no idea where the ball was, instead of
> > > >intercepting by stopping and getting the ball, the POS interfere's with
> > > >the TE on an uncatchable ball.
> >
> > > >When I turned off the game, Welker had had no catches on Revis. Instead
> > > >of using Cro on a TE, they waste him on the smaller branch.
> >
> > > >Rex misused his personnel.
> >
> > > >Maybe we make the playoffs. Maybe not.
> >
> > > >Not ready for prime time this team.
> >
> > > >The Patriots are a flawed Defense and it is 3 points in the second half.
> >
> > > >Joke.
> >
> > > >h
> >
> > > Agreed about the misuse of personnel, although he's very limited in what
> > > he
> > > could do with
> > > the talent we have.
> > > Amazin' aint it... all season, we make every D look like the Steel
> > > Curtain of
> > > years past.
> >
> > I disagree. He has Coleman, Lowery, Pool, Ihedigbo and Cole all of whom
> > are faster than POS. He could have put Coleman, et. all on Branch and
> > taken a TE out of the game. While Leonhard is a solid player and he was
> > missed, there was no necessity of the assignments that Rex and Pettine
> > chose.
> >
> > harlan- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> i think that *POS* was the guy who was best prepaired to call the
> coverages in the absense of leonhard

And he was clearly the right POS to cover receivers deep and miss
tackles.

h


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:02 pm
From: cd


On Dec 7, 8:45 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:66201181-5628-4745-96f8-810b079ecf43@e20g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 7, 11:21 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <04irf6lss77mj345uid0mfl6a5l8ug1...@4ax.com>,
>
> > buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:15:48 -0500, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >In article <n4idnVo5mfcaOmDRnZ2dnUVZ_uudn...@giganews.com>,
> > > > "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > >> Preparation, Game Planning, and Execution (and yes it is the
> > > >> responsibility
> > > >> of the coaches to get them to execute)....it is clear that all the
> > > >> bravado
> > > >> and talk is just that...facing a top opponent Rex and company look
> > > >> like an
> > > >> embarassment at this point. This is what some of us have been talking
> > > >> about...this D is all guessing...and he is not guessing right....and
> > > >> the O
> > > >> can not take advantage of any of the weaknesses the D gives
> > > >> them....the
> > > >> hurry up worked...so they get out of it....poor, poor coaching.
>
> > > >You left out the special teams. Missed FG and shanked punt. Thank god I
> > > >gave up on the game then.
>
> > > >I would not let Weatherford and Folk ride back on the plane. They would
> > > >be gone. Neither was ready.
>
> > > >FWIW, Rex is stupid. Why put the slowest player on the field on a deep
> > > >route on a TE. Smith was behind the TE yet the ball barely made it to
> > > >Smith's feet; since he had no idea where the ball was, instead of
> > > >intercepting by stopping and getting the ball, the POS interfere's with
> > > >the TE on an uncatchable ball.
>
> > > >When I turned off the game, Welker had had no catches on Revis. Instead
> > > >of using Cro on a TE, they waste him on the smaller branch.
>
> > > >Rex misused his personnel.
>
> > > >Maybe we make the playoffs. Maybe not.
>
> > > >Not ready for prime time this team.
>
> > > >The Patriots are a flawed Defense and it is 3 points in the second
> > > >half.
>
> > > >Joke.
>
> > > >h
>
> > > Agreed about the misuse of personnel, although he's very limited in what
> > > he
> > > could do with
> > > the talent we have.
> > > Amazin' aint it... all season, we make every D look like the Steel
> > > Curtain of
> > > years past.
>
> > I disagree. He has Coleman, Lowery, Pool, Ihedigbo and Cole all of whom
> > are faster than POS. He could have put Coleman, et. all on Branch and
> > taken a TE out of the game. While Leonhard is a solid player and he was
> > missed, there was no necessity of the assignments that Rex and Pettine
> > chose.
>
> > harlan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> i think that *POS*  was the guy who was best prepaired to call the
> coverages in the absense of leonhard
>
> YUP....I hesitate to call anyone who can make an NFL team a POS...can't get
> into that kind of stuff...he may not be as good as someone would like, but
> he is a person and I do not think he does not try...he just may not be as
> good as a top first team player is.  OMHO. Papa Carl- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I never saw Klecko play, but in post game, he's awesome and he called
out the OC scheme. Paraphrasing, the offensive scheme surprises no
one. He's right, it appears that defenses are in the huddle, inspite
of all the pre-snap shifts; defenses hardly move or pursue. I can't
believe they hardly ran, and I think Gruden questioned a third down,
where Schott brought in Brad Smith.

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TOPIC: How about Josh McDaniels for OC of the NYJ?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/dbe3877a8a672499?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 5:52 pm
From: cd


On Dec 7, 11:25 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article <idkckv$1p...@news.datemas.de>, "yoyodog" <NOS...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Good OC, used to work for Bellichik, great spy...
>
> His play calling and use of personnel sure worked for Pat Bowlen.
>
> Frankly, I would prefer giving Callahan a chance at play calling or Matt
> R before the year is done and it is too late to see if either can do
> better.
>
> harlan

Yo love the idea of Callahan as OC.

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TOPIC: Why did they not keep J. Feeley ???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5de28bb0c950ddf9?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 5:56 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<2d8cbea5-45bc-4a78-9580-647f5722cb70@o9g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Dec 7, 2:50�pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <bcf21673-ad63-43f9-bb05-510fa352c...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > �Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > i still dont understand why the jets did not shell out a tiny bit of
> > > loot to keep feeley...
> >
> > > it makes as much sense as having two years to add a much needed �pass
> > > rusher and only coming up with jason taylor
> >
> > They wanted the flexibility to sign a FA given the restricted rules
> > facing a final four team.
> >
> > You might not like the Jason Taylor signing. But he is not done yet and
> > he won us or helped win us at least two games.
> >
> > h
>
> taylor has made a contribution but i want the next gastineau

Fuggedabout it. He would just commit a stupid personal foul by exposing
the tattoo on his butt and cost us a SB.

h


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:13 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-A56BE4.20561007122010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article
> <2d8cbea5-45bc-4a78-9580-647f5722cb70@o9g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 7, 2:50 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>> > In article
>> > <bcf21673-ad63-43f9-bb05-510fa352c...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>> >
>> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> > > i still dont understand why the jets did not shell out a tiny bit of
>> > > loot to keep feeley...
>> >
>> > > it makes as much sense as having two years to add a much needed pass
>> > > rusher and only coming up with jason taylor
>> >
>> > They wanted the flexibility to sign a FA given the restricted rules
>> > facing a final four team.
>> >
>> > You might not like the Jason Taylor signing. But he is not done yet and
>> > he won us or helped win us at least two games.
>> >
>> > h
>>
>> taylor has made a contribution but i want the next gastineau
>
> Fuggedabout it. He would just commit a stupid personal foul by exposing
> the tattoo on his butt and cost us a SB.
>
> h

Michael...you don't like guys with abhorent behavior....and drug problems
etc. Plus...he would drop trow and do the tattoo thing.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:34 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 7, 9:13 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-A56BE4.20561007122010@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <2d8cbea5-45bc-4a78-9580-647f5722c...@o9g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Dec 7, 2:50 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> >> > In article
> >> > <bcf21673-ad63-43f9-bb05-510fa352c...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> > > i still dont understand why the jets did not shell out a tiny bit of
> >> > > loot to keep feeley...
>
> >> > > it makes as much sense as having two years to add a much needed pass
> >> > > rusher and only coming up with jason taylor
>
> >> > They wanted the flexibility to sign a FA given the restricted rules
> >> > facing a final four team.
>
> >> > You might not like the Jason Taylor signing. But he is not done yet and
> >> > he won us or helped win us at least two games.
>
> >> > h
>
> >> taylor has made a contribution but i want the next gastineau
>
> > Fuggedabout it. He would just commit a stupid personal foul by exposing
> > the tattoo on his butt and cost us a SB.
>
> > h
>
> Michael...you don't like guys with abhorent behavior....and drug problems
> etc.  Plus...he would drop trow and do the tattoo thing.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

no... i dont like what he did off the field... but i like the best
pure pass rusher in league history... my jersey of choice for home
games 99 !!!


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:52 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1ba291d9-f5e6-46c7-9d06-2f72c303ac50@e4g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 7, 9:13 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-A56BE4.20561007122010@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <2d8cbea5-45bc-4a78-9580-647f5722c...@o9g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Dec 7, 2:50 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> >> > In article
> >> > <bcf21673-ad63-43f9-bb05-510fa352c...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> > > i still dont understand why the jets did not shell out a tiny bit
> >> > > of
> >> > > loot to keep feeley...
>
> >> > > it makes as much sense as having two years to add a much needed
> >> > > pass
> >> > > rusher and only coming up with jason taylor
>
> >> > They wanted the flexibility to sign a FA given the restricted rules
> >> > facing a final four team.
>
> >> > You might not like the Jason Taylor signing. But he is not done yet
> >> > and
> >> > he won us or helped win us at least two games.
>
> >> > h
>
> >> taylor has made a contribution but i want the next gastineau
>
> > Fuggedabout it. He would just commit a stupid personal foul by exposing
> > the tattoo on his butt and cost us a SB.
>
> > h
>
> Michael...you don't like guys with abhorent behavior....and drug problems
> etc. Plus...he would drop trow and do the tattoo thing.- Hide quoted
> text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

no... i dont like what he did off the field... but i like the best
pure pass rusher in league history... my jersey of choice for home
games 99 !!!

And I don't like what Vick did...but I sure would like somebody who could
play QB like he does.

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TOPIC: The Pats Just Scored Again
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/15c3cff7a2a5a19a?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:17 pm
From: JetsLife


:-)

Gotta have some levity when you get taken behind the shed like that
right?

OT: Inglorious Basterds - just saw it - a classic Tarantino flick.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:21 pm
From: Hammer


On Dec 7, 9:17 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> :-)
>
> Gotta have some levity when you get taken behind the shed like that
> right?
>
> OT: Inglorious Basterds - just saw it - a classic Tarantino flick.

Great post. I wouldn't be surprised if they did score again just now.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:32 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 7, 9:17 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> :-)
>
> Gotta have some levity when you get taken behind the shed like that
> right?
>
> OT: Inglorious Basterds - just saw it - a classic Tarantino flick.

The Pats got lucky... The Jets almost had them...


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:48 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3ef9d2fa-cfb8-40b6-a4dd-306bbe260da1@35g2000prt.googlegroups.com...
> :-)
>
> Gotta have some levity when you get taken behind the shed like that
> right?
>
> OT: Inglorious Basterds - just saw it - a classic Tarantino flick.

Have you ever thought that Rex and Quentin have some things in common? :-)

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TOPIC: Live by the blitz, die by the blitz
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7bbf055cf2525945?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:21 pm
From: JetsLife


On Dec 6, 9:31 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Jets pressure holds Brady to 4 of 9 in 1st Q.
>
> Pats have 4th and 3rd at end of 1st Q.
>
> Rex brings Big Blitz ... 25-yd TD pass ... 0-17.

Yes yes yes. It seems the Jets blitzed too much. It's almost like they
took an irrational tack with no Leonhard: let's blitz a lot and expose
our weakened secondary unit to nightmarish man coverage. I'd of much
preferred a 1-man rush all game and flooding the field from 5 - 20 yds
with defenders. Let the Pats run and dink and dunk down the field,
don't give em man coverage explosion pass play oppties.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: repost from an old friend
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/dfacb44b8a794201?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:27 pm
From: JetsLife


On Dec 7, 11:57 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From a former contributor to this group, one whose opinion I have
> always highly valued.  I can't disagree with anything he writes.  This
> about says it all:
>
> "I thought I would be angrier than this.
>
> But I'm not. I fully expected something like this, though not this
> bad. I was telling friends the Jets would lose 31-14 or 34-17, in that
> range. I knew the Patriots would put up 30 and I knew, especially
> after hearing all week about how "statistically bad" the Patriots D
> was, that the Jets would struggle to put up 20. And no, I'm not
> claiming to be some sort of football Nostradamus, but I can tell you a
> couple of things:
>
> 1. The Jets, if they make the playoffs - that's right, "if" they
> manage to hold off San Diego and get in at 11-5 or 10-6, because they
> are not beating Pittsburgh or Chicago, and could easily lose to Miami
> or Buffalo at home – will either meekly shut out the lights at Kansas
> City or San Diego or Jacksonville or Indy, or will tease us with a bad-
> lookiong win against one of these mediocre teams, before being
> annihilated in Pittsburgh or New England.
>
> 2. This team will NEVER win a championship under the current
> management structure. And, more importantly, it will NEVER win a
> championship under Rex Ryan.
>
> Look at it from the top. Everything Woody Johnson does in setting the
> tone for this franchise is bottom-line based. It's about making a big
> splash, getting in the papers, in the national conversation, and
> ultimately selling tickets. Nothing wrong with that – it is a
> business, after all. But going after Brett Favre, chasing the Namath
> echo in Mark Sanchez, appearing on "Hard Knocks" etc., seem to be
> geared more toward hype than on-field performance. It's OK to sell
> tickets and make money, but if the performance seems secondary to the
> selling, then it's trouble.
>
> Following that strategy, Tannenbaum's moves as a GM make sense. It is
> absolutely a short-range plan, with the Jets filling holes with near-
> done veterans and putting all their draft eggs in a small basket.
> People rag on hmhertz for wanting to collect draft picks, but when
> your strategy is to pick just four guys a year, if you miss on half of
> them, you are cutting way down your chances for success, and
> absolutely mortgaging the future. New England went through a dry spell
> for a bit but never wavered from the strategy, and now it is paying
> off with a ton of good young players (like half of whom I spent
> watching as Florida Gators) plus a ton of draft picks in the future.
> Because of the Jets short-term strategy, if they don't catch the
> Patriots now – and they didn't – they will never catch them.
>
> The Woodhead decision is a perfect example of this. If Woodhead was a
> guy who would be riding the pine for the Jets, but who is an intergral
> part of the best offense in football, what does that say about either
> (1) the GM and coaching staff's evaluative skills or (2) the overall
> organizational strategy? Nothing good about either. Denial of
> Woodhead's abilities just sounds silly now – is there anyone who would
> like to trade Woodhead's future production for Tomlinson's coming 3.2
> ypc now?
>
> And it's most definitely the coaching as well. I posted a couple of
> weeks ago that I feel like the Jets will be the Oilers to New
> England's Steelers – good but never good enough. I like Rex Ryan, but
> he is not going to get the Jets over the hump. Period. The ownership/
> management goals work against him, but there is the on the field stuff
> and last night exemplified it:
>
> The team, as always after a layoff, was woefully unprepared. Bad time
> outs, delay of games, etc but the thing that is really stunning is
> this is a guy who is supposed to be a defensive genius, and yet the
> Patriots did nothing innovative or unexpected on offense and the Jets
> had no answers whatsoever. It's clearly a paper tiger, and when you
> aren't playing against bad QBs like Carson Palmer, from whom you can
> depend on a bunch of bad decisions, the defense looks like the
> undermanned, large-talking, ill-prepared unit that it is.
>
> And we don't need to speak about Ryan's long trend of ineptitude with
> the challenge flag – he makes Herm look like Patek Philippe with his
> clock issues. Add to that flat out stupid decisions – ask a shaky
> kicker to try a 58-yarder in a windy, and the kind of loud-mouthed
> bluster that gets referees' flag pulling fingers itchy, and you have a
> coach who can get you close but never all the way. I guess the one
> positive from last night was that the Jets weren't called for their
> usual stupid drive-extending late hit or unnecessary roughness
> penalties. Then again, the Patriots didn't need any help extending
> their drives.
>
> Anyway, let's spending the week criticizing Folk, or Sanchez, or
> Schottenheimer, or the OL allowing sacks from a three-man rush or
> Curtis Martin, or whatever you like, but the disease is running
> through the entire organization. Our near-term future is littered with
> hopes of near-wildcard berths and early playoff flameouts on hostile
> turf, and the grim specter of watching New England or Pittsburgh or
> Baltimore – better teams, with better coaching and management
> strategies, advance."

After only reading the first paragraph or so it's clear this guy is a
complete blowhard idiot.

Any fool could've seen this blowout coming: the Pats offense is
humming, and there is someone known as Brady leading that charge.

No Brady, no dominant Patriots.

Your friend is a ninkampoop. Brady is in my opinion the best QB ever.
To beat him when his offense is humming around him is very very
difficult.

The Jets like most NFL teams are flawed. Losing Leonhard I think is
devastating to our pass defense.

We'll find out if your idiotic friend is right from here on in and in
the going years. Generally you go as far as your QB: NE, Indy, Pitts &
even Balt. have better QBs at this moment. We'll see how Sanchez and
the Jets play from here.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:41 pm
From: JetsLife


On Dec 7, 11:57 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From a former contributor to this group, one whose opinion I have
> always highly valued.  I can't disagree with anything he writes.  This
> about says it all:
>
> "I thought I would be angrier than this.
>
> But I'm not. I fully expected something like this, though not this
> bad. I was telling friends the Jets would lose 31-14 or 34-17, in that
> range. I knew the Patriots would put up 30 and I knew, especially
> after hearing all week about how "statistically bad" the Patriots D
> was, that the Jets would struggle to put up 20. And no, I'm not
> claiming to be some sort of football Nostradamus, but I can tell you a
> couple of things:
>
> 1. The Jets, if they make the playoffs - that's right, "if" they
> manage to hold off San Diego and get in at 11-5 or 10-6, because they
> are not beating Pittsburgh or Chicago, and could easily lose to Miami
> or Buffalo at home – will either meekly shut out the lights at Kansas
> City or San Diego or Jacksonville or Indy, or will tease us with a bad-
> lookiong win against one of these mediocre teams, before being
> annihilated in Pittsburgh or New England.
>
> 2. This team will NEVER win a championship under the current
> management structure. And, more importantly, it will NEVER win a
> championship under Rex Ryan.
>
> Look at it from the top. Everything Woody Johnson does in setting the
> tone for this franchise is bottom-line based. It's about making a big
> splash, getting in the papers, in the national conversation, and
> ultimately selling tickets. Nothing wrong with that – it is a
> business, after all. But going after Brett Favre, chasing the Namath
> echo in Mark Sanchez, appearing on "Hard Knocks" etc., seem to be
> geared more toward hype than on-field performance. It's OK to sell
> tickets and make money, but if the performance seems secondary to the
> selling, then it's trouble.
>
> Following that strategy, Tannenbaum's moves as a GM make sense. It is
> absolutely a short-range plan, with the Jets filling holes with near-
> done veterans and putting all their draft eggs in a small basket.
> People rag on hmhertz for wanting to collect draft picks, but when
> your strategy is to pick just four guys a year, if you miss on half of
> them, you are cutting way down your chances for success, and
> absolutely mortgaging the future. New England went through a dry spell
> for a bit but never wavered from the strategy, and now it is paying
> off with a ton of good young players (like half of whom I spent
> watching as Florida Gators) plus a ton of draft picks in the future.
> Because of the Jets short-term strategy, if they don't catch the
> Patriots now – and they didn't – they will never catch them.
>
> The Woodhead decision is a perfect example of this. If Woodhead was a
> guy who would be riding the pine for the Jets, but who is an intergral
> part of the best offense in football, what does that say about either
> (1) the GM and coaching staff's evaluative skills or (2) the overall
> organizational strategy? Nothing good about either. Denial of
> Woodhead's abilities just sounds silly now – is there anyone who would
> like to trade Woodhead's future production for Tomlinson's coming 3.2
> ypc now?
>
> And it's most definitely the coaching as well. I posted a couple of
> weeks ago that I feel like the Jets will be the Oilers to New
> England's Steelers – good but never good enough. I like Rex Ryan, but
> he is not going to get the Jets over the hump. Period. The ownership/
> management goals work against him, but there is the on the field stuff
> and last night exemplified it:
>
> The team, as always after a layoff, was woefully unprepared. Bad time
> outs, delay of games, etc but the thing that is really stunning is
> this is a guy who is supposed to be a defensive genius, and yet the
> Patriots did nothing innovative or unexpected on offense and the Jets
> had no answers whatsoever. It's clearly a paper tiger, and when you
> aren't playing against bad QBs like Carson Palmer, from whom you can
> depend on a bunch of bad decisions, the defense looks like the
> undermanned, large-talking, ill-prepared unit that it is.
>
> And we don't need to speak about Ryan's long trend of ineptitude with
> the challenge flag – he makes Herm look like Patek Philippe with his
> clock issues. Add to that flat out stupid decisions – ask a shaky
> kicker to try a 58-yarder in a windy, and the kind of loud-mouthed
> bluster that gets referees' flag pulling fingers itchy, and you have a
> coach who can get you close but never all the way. I guess the one
> positive from last night was that the Jets weren't called for their
> usual stupid drive-extending late hit or unnecessary roughness
> penalties. Then again, the Patriots didn't need any help extending
> their drives.
>
> Anyway, let's spending the week criticizing Folk, or Sanchez, or
> Schottenheimer, or the OL allowing sacks from a three-man rush or
> Curtis Martin, or whatever you like, but the disease is running
> through the entire organization. Our near-term future is littered with
> hopes of near-wildcard berths and early playoff flameouts on hostile
> turf, and the grim specter of watching New England or Pittsburgh or
> Baltimore – better teams, with better coaching and management
> strategies, advance."

Again your friend is an utter boob. No Tom Brady = no 45-3 last night
or the historical Pats success* under Belichick (and regarding last
night. this isn't to mention young Sanchez's atrocious INTs, no
Leonhard, etc).

Last anyone with a brain checked, when you have a HOF QB like Brady
leading your team - perhaps the best ever - you tend to succeed. Also
see: Manning, Montana, et al and currently perhaps that will include R-
berger and Brees some day.

Your friend is a total idiot who is stupidly jumping to sweeping
conclusions on hindsight cherry-picking, and innuendo. The results
show the Jets have managed quite well, thank you, since Rex took over.

Are they as constituted good enough to win it all? We shall see. But
your friend would be well served to understand the level of
competition led by top-flight QB play the Jets have to contend with in
NE, Indy, Pitts, etc. It ain't easy to beat said foes. When one does,
as the Jets have in the past, it is a feat. I have no doubt they'll do
it again very soon.

*While cheating?

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:43 pm
From: JetsLife


On Dec 7, 5:47 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Dec 7, 11:57 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > From a former contributor to this group, one whose opinion I have
> > always highly valued.  I can't disagree with anything he writes.  This
> > about says it all:
>
> > "I thought I would be angrier than this.
>
> > But I'm not. I fully expected something like this, though not this
> > bad. I was telling friends the Jets would lose 31-14 or 34-17, in that
> > range. I knew the Patriots would put up 30 and I knew, especially
> > after hearing all week about how "statistically bad" the Patriots D
> > was, that the Jets would struggle to put up 20. And no, I'm not
> > claiming to be some sort of football Nostradamus, but I can tell you a
> > couple of things:
>
> > 1. The Jets, if they make the playoffs - that's right, "if" they
> > manage to hold off San Diego and get in at 11-5 or 10-6, because they
> > are not beating Pittsburgh or Chicago, and could easily lose to Miami
> > or Buffalo at home – will either meekly shut out the lights at Kansas
> > City or San Diego or Jacksonville or Indy, or will tease us with a bad-
> > lookiong win against one of these mediocre teams, before being
> > annihilated in Pittsburgh or New England.
>
> > 2. This team will NEVER win a championship under the current
> > management structure. And, more importantly, it will NEVER win a
> > championship under Rex Ryan.
>
> The honeymoon is ending for Rex, eh?
>
> The first serious "It's Rex's fault!" sighting.
>
> Well, that's what a mere 20-11 record with just one trip to the
> conference championship game in 1.75 seasons gets you!
>
>
>
> > Look at it from the top. Everything Woody Johnson does in setting the
> > tone for this franchise is bottom-line based. It's about making a big
> > splash, getting in the papers, in the national conversation, and
> > ultimately selling tickets. Nothing wrong with that – it is a
> > business, after all. But going after Brett Favre, chasing the Namath
> > echo in Mark Sanchez, appearing on "Hard Knocks" etc., seem to be
> > geared more toward hype than on-field performance. It's OK to sell
> > tickets and make money, but if the performance seems secondary to the
> > selling, then it's trouble.
>
> > Following that strategy, Tannenbaum's moves as a GM make sense. It is
> > absolutely a short-range plan, with the Jets filling holes with near-
> > done veterans and putting all their draft eggs in a small basket.
> > People rag on hmhertz for wanting to collect draft picks, but when
> > your strategy is to pick just four guys a year, if you miss on half of
> > them, you are cutting way down your chances for success, and
> > absolutely mortgaging the future. New England went through a dry spell
> > for a bit but never wavered from the strategy, and now it is paying
> > off with a ton of good young players (like half of whom I spent
> > watching as Florida Gators) plus a ton of draft picks in the future.
> > Because of the Jets short-term strategy, if they don't catch the
> > Patriots now – and they didn't – they will never catch them.
>
> > The Woodhead decision is a perfect example of this. If Woodhead was a
> > guy who would be riding the pine for the Jets, but who is an intergral
> > part of the best offense in football, what does that say about either
> > (1) the GM and coaching staff's evaluative skills or (2) the overall
> > organizational strategy? Nothing good about either. Denial of
> > Woodhead's abilities just sounds silly now – is there anyone who would
> > like to trade Woodhead's future production for Tomlinson's coming 3.2
> > ypc now?
>
> > And it's most definitely the coaching as well. I posted a couple of
> > weeks ago that I feel like the Jets will be the Oilers to New
> > England's Steelers – good but never good enough. I like Rex Ryan, but
> > he is not going to get the Jets over the hump. Period. The ownership/
> > management goals work against him, but there is the on the field stuff
> > and last night exemplified it:
>
> > The team, as always after a layoff, was woefully unprepared. Bad time
> > outs, delay of games, etc but the thing that is really stunning is
> > this is a guy who is supposed to be a defensive genius, and yet the
> > Patriots did nothing innovative or unexpected on offense and the Jets
> > had no answers whatsoever. It's clearly a paper tiger, and when you
> > aren't playing against bad QBs like Carson Palmer, from whom you can
> > depend on a bunch of bad decisions, the defense looks like the
> > undermanned, large-talking, ill-prepared unit that it is.
>
> > And we don't need to speak about Ryan's long trend of ineptitude with
> > the challenge flag – he makes Herm look like Patek Philippe with his
> > clock issues. Add to that flat out stupid decisions – ask a shaky
> > kicker to try a 58-yarder in a windy, and the kind of loud-mouthed
> > bluster that gets referees' flag pulling fingers itchy, and you have a
> > coach who can get you close but never all the way. I guess the one
> > positive from last night was that the Jets weren't called for their
> > usual stupid drive-extending late hit or unnecessary roughness
> > penalties. Then again, the Patriots didn't need any help extending
> > their drives.
>
> > Anyway, let's spending the week criticizing Folk, or Sanchez, or
> > Schottenheimer, or the OL allowing sacks from a three-man rush or
> > Curtis Martin, or whatever you like, but the disease is running
> > through the entire organization. Our near-term future is littered with
> > hopes of near-wildcard berths and early playoff flameouts on hostile
> > turf, and the grim specter of watching New England or Pittsburgh or
> > Baltimore – better teams, with better coaching and management
> > strategies, advance."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Grincher Grincher Grincher!

You are a king of turnabout, my friend. And when I agree with you ...
go Grincher!


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:49 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 7, 11:57 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From a former contributor to this group, one whose opinion I have
> always highly valued. I can't disagree with anything he writes. This
> about says it all:
>
> "I thought I would be angrier than this.
>
> But I�m not. I fully expected something like this, though not this
> bad. I was telling friends the Jets would lose 31-14 or 34-17, in that
> range. I knew the Patriots would put up 30 and I knew, especially
> after hearing all week about how �statistically bad� the Patriots D
> was, that the Jets would struggle to put up 20. And no, I�m not
> claiming to be some sort of football Nostradamus, but I can tell you a
> couple of things:
>
> 1. The Jets, if they make the playoffs - that�s right, �if� they
> manage to hold off San Diego and get in at 11-5 or 10-6, because they
> are not beating Pittsburgh or Chicago, and could easily lose to Miami
> or Buffalo at home � will either meekly shut out the lights at Kansas
> City or San Diego or Jacksonville or Indy, or will tease us with a bad-
> lookiong win against one of these mediocre teams, before being
> annihilated in Pittsburgh or New England.
>
> 2. This team will NEVER win a championship under the current
> management structure. And, more importantly, it will NEVER win a
> championship under Rex Ryan.
>
> Look at it from the top. Everything Woody Johnson does in setting the
> tone for this franchise is bottom-line based. It�s about making a big
> splash, getting in the papers, in the national conversation, and
> ultimately selling tickets. Nothing wrong with that � it is a
> business, after all. But going after Brett Favre, chasing the Namath
> echo in Mark Sanchez, appearing on �Hard Knocks� etc., seem to be
> geared more toward hype than on-field performance. It�s OK to sell
> tickets and make money, but if the performance seems secondary to the
> selling, then it�s trouble.
>
> Following that strategy, Tannenbaum�s moves as a GM make sense. It is
> absolutely a short-range plan, with the Jets filling holes with near-
> done veterans and putting all their draft eggs in a small basket.
> People rag on hmhertz for wanting to collect draft picks, but when
> your strategy is to pick just four guys a year, if you miss on half of
> them, you are cutting way down your chances for success, and
> absolutely mortgaging the future. New England went through a dry spell
> for a bit but never wavered from the strategy, and now it is paying
> off with a ton of good young players (like half of whom I spent
> watching as Florida Gators) plus a ton of draft picks in the future.
> Because of the Jets short-term strategy, if they don�t catch the
> Patriots now � and they didn�t � they will never catch them.
>
> The Woodhead decision is a perfect example of this. If Woodhead was a
> guy who would be riding the pine for the Jets, but who is an intergral
> part of the best offense in football, what does that say about either
> (1) the GM and coaching staff's evaluative skills or (2) the overall
> organizational strategy? Nothing good about either. Denial of
> Woodhead�s abilities just sounds silly now � is there anyone who would
> like to trade Woodhead�s future production for Tomlinson�s coming 3.2
> ypc now?
>
> And it�s most definitely the coaching as well. I posted a couple of
> weeks ago that I feel like the Jets will be the Oilers to New
> England�s Steelers � good but never good enough. I like Rex Ryan, but
> he is not going to get the Jets over the hump. Period. The ownership/
> management goals work against him, but there is the on the field stuff
> and last night exemplified it:
>
> The team, as always after a layoff, was woefully unprepared. Bad time
> outs, delay of games, etc but the thing that is really stunning is
> this is a guy who is supposed to be a defensive genius, and yet the
> Patriots did nothing innovative or unexpected on offense and the Jets
> had no answers whatsoever. It�s clearly a paper tiger, and when you
> aren�t playing against bad QBs like Carson Palmer, from whom you can
> depend on a bunch of bad decisions, the defense looks like the
> undermanned, large-talking, ill-prepared unit that it is.
>
> And we don�t need to speak about Ryan�s long trend of ineptitude with
> the challenge flag � he makes Herm look like Patek Philippe with his
> clock issues. Add to that flat out stupid decisions � ask a shaky
> kicker to try a 58-yarder in a windy, and the kind of loud-mouthed
> bluster that gets referees� flag pulling fingers itchy, and you have a
> coach who can get you close but never all the way. I guess the one
> positive from last night was that the Jets weren�t called for their
> usual stupid drive-extending late hit or unnecessary roughness
> penalties. Then again, the Patriots didn�t need any help extending
> their drives.
>
> Anyway, let�s spending the week criticizing Folk, or Sanchez, or
> Schottenheimer, or the OL allowing sacks from a three-man rush or
> Curtis Martin, or whatever you like, but the disease is running
> through the entire organization. Our near-term future is littered with
> hopes of near-wildcard berths and early playoff flameouts on hostile
> turf, and the grim specter of watching New England or Pittsburgh or
> Baltimore � better teams, with better coaching and management
> strategies, advance."

After only reading the first paragraph or so it's clear this guy is a
complete blowhard idiot.

Any fool could've seen this blowout coming: the Pats offense is
humming, and there is someone known as Brady leading that charge.

No Brady, no dominant Patriots.

Your friend is a ninkampoop. Brady is in my opinion the best QB ever.
To beat him when his offense is humming around him is very very
difficult.

The Jets like most NFL teams are flawed. Losing Leonhard I think is
devastating to our pass defense.

We'll find out if your idiotic friend is right from here on in and in
the going years. Generally you go as far as your QB: NE, Indy, Pitts &
even Balt. have better QBs at this moment. We'll see how Sanchez and
the Jets play from here.


Any fool could have seen it coming?????? So does this make you the "coward"
you are always shouting about?


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:51 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
news:0c886395-a71a-4422-831e-e3eb6a882792@p38g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 7, 11:57 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From a former contributor to this group, one whose opinion I have
> always highly valued. I can't disagree with anything he writes. This
> about says it all:
>
> "I thought I would be angrier than this.
>
> But I�m not. I fully expected something like this, though not this
> bad. I was telling friends the Jets would lose 31-14 or 34-17, in that
> range. I knew the Patriots would put up 30 and I knew, especially
> after hearing all week about how �statistically bad� the Patriots D
> was, that the Jets would struggle to put up 20. And no, I�m not
> claiming to be some sort of football Nostradamus, but I can tell you a
> couple of things:
>
> 1. The Jets, if they make the playoffs - that�s right, �if� they
> manage to hold off San Diego and get in at 11-5 or 10-6, because they
> are not beating Pittsburgh or Chicago, and could easily lose to Miami
> or Buffalo at home � will either meekly shut out the lights at Kansas
> City or San Diego or Jacksonville or Indy, or will tease us with a bad-
> lookiong win against one of these mediocre teams, before being
> annihilated in Pittsburgh or New England.
>
> 2. This team will NEVER win a championship under the current
> management structure. And, more importantly, it will NEVER win a
> championship under Rex Ryan.
>
> Look at it from the top. Everything Woody Johnson does in setting the
> tone for this franchise is bottom-line based. It�s about making a big
> splash, getting in the papers, in the national conversation, and
> ultimately selling tickets. Nothing wrong with that � it is a
> business, after all. But going after Brett Favre, chasing the Namath
> echo in Mark Sanchez, appearing on �Hard Knocks� etc., seem to be
> geared more toward hype than on-field performance. It�s OK to sell
> tickets and make money, but if the performance seems secondary to the
> selling, then it�s trouble.
>
> Following that strategy, Tannenbaum�s moves as a GM make sense. It is
> absolutely a short-range plan, with the Jets filling holes with near-
> done veterans and putting all their draft eggs in a small basket.
> People rag on hmhertz for wanting to collect draft picks, but when
> your strategy is to pick just four guys a year, if you miss on half of
> them, you are cutting way down your chances for success, and
> absolutely mortgaging the future. New England went through a dry spell
> for a bit but never wavered from the strategy, and now it is paying
> off with a ton of good young players (like half of whom I spent
> watching as Florida Gators) plus a ton of draft picks in the future.
> Because of the Jets short-term strategy, if they don�t catch the
> Patriots now � and they didn�t � they will never catch them.
>
> The Woodhead decision is a perfect example of this. If Woodhead was a
> guy who would be riding the pine for the Jets, but who is an intergral
> part of the best offense in football, what does that say about either
> (1) the GM and coaching staff's evaluative skills or (2) the overall
> organizational strategy? Nothing good about either. Denial of
> Woodhead�s abilities just sounds silly now � is there anyone who would
> like to trade Woodhead�s future production for Tomlinson�s coming 3.2
> ypc now?
>
> And it�s most definitely the coaching as well. I posted a couple of
> weeks ago that I feel like the Jets will be the Oilers to New
> England�s Steelers � good but never good enough. I like Rex Ryan, but
> he is not going to get the Jets over the hump. Period. The ownership/
> management goals work against him, but there is the on the field stuff
> and last night exemplified it:
>
> The team, as always after a layoff, was woefully unprepared. Bad time
> outs, delay of games, etc but the thing that is really stunning is
> this is a guy who is supposed to be a defensive genius, and yet the
> Patriots did nothing innovative or unexpected on offense and the Jets
> had no answers whatsoever. It�s clearly a paper tiger, and when you
> aren�t playing against bad QBs like Carson Palmer, from whom you can
> depend on a bunch of bad decisions, the defense looks like the
> undermanned, large-talking, ill-prepared unit that it is.
>
> And we don�t need to speak about Ryan�s long trend of ineptitude with
> the challenge flag � he makes Herm look like Patek Philippe with his
> clock issues. Add to that flat out stupid decisions � ask a shaky
> kicker to try a 58-yarder in a windy, and the kind of loud-mouthed
> bluster that gets referees� flag pulling fingers itchy, and you have a
> coach who can get you close but never all the way. I guess the one
> positive from last night was that the Jets weren�t called for their
> usual stupid drive-extending late hit or unnecessary roughness
> penalties. Then again, the Patriots didn�t need any help extending
> their drives.
>
> Anyway, let�s spending the week criticizing Folk, or Sanchez, or
> Schottenheimer, or the OL allowing sacks from a three-man rush or
> Curtis Martin, or whatever you like, but the disease is running
> through the entire organization. Our near-term future is littered with
> hopes of near-wildcard berths and early playoff flameouts on hostile
> turf, and the grim specter of watching New England or Pittsburgh or
> Baltimore � better teams, with better coaching and management
> strategies, advance."

Again your friend is an utter boob. No Tom Brady = no 45-3 last night
or the historical Pats success* under Belichick (and regarding last
night. this isn't to mention young Sanchez's atrocious INTs, no
Leonhard, etc).

Last anyone with a brain checked, when you have a HOF QB like Brady
leading your team - perhaps the best ever - you tend to succeed. Also
see: Manning, Montana, et al and currently perhaps that will include R-
berger and Brees some day.

Your friend is a total idiot who is stupidly jumping to sweeping
conclusions on hindsight cherry-picking, and innuendo. The results
show the Jets have managed quite well, thank you, since Rex took over.

Are they as constituted good enough to win it all? We shall see. But
your friend would be well served to understand the level of
competition led by top-flight QB play the Jets have to contend with in
NE, Indy, Pitts, etc. It ain't easy to beat said foes. When one does,
as the Jets have in the past, it is a feat. I have no doubt they'll do
it again very soon.

*While cheating?

But anybody who does not see the Jets are top on their way is a coward...and
anti-American or something.


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