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* Same shit different year - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d6239cb12d964571?hl=en
* Alexi Grewal: worst teammate ever - 9 messages, 9 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cab4be86af73cf15?hl=en
* HCT - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f30c312a6c989d06?hl=en
* Lafferty miss this one ? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/32f9230b36efd9aa?hl=en
* Can't make this up : - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9316b1844886d071?hl=en
* paypal wholesale world cup 2010 football jersey Germany - 1 messages, 1
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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bee03139306f357c?hl=en

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TOPIC: Same shit different year
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d6239cb12d964571?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 8 2010 11:36 pm
From: raamman


On Dec 8, 5:38 pm, tritonrider <tritonri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Still got a minor group of folks who write shit worth reading, and
> then there's all the rest. Argue the point but Henry is THE man around
> here for a ton of reasons. No one brings what he does to the table,
> and very few others are even vaguely capable on their best day of
> hitting the level of his throw away stuff let alone his simple stuff.
>  Magilla rocks and takes no prisoners. Always slapping down the twits
> and laying the smackdown. Good stuff.

you're an idiot


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 3:48 am
From: drmofe


I was going to post in this thread but I couldn't think of a good
throwaway line.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 8:39 am
From: Fred Fredburger


On 12/9/2010 3:48 AM, drmofe wrote:
> I was going to post in this thread but I couldn't think of a good
> throwaway line.

Anything with the word "trains" in it would be good.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 10:44 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


drmofe wrote:
>> I was going to post in this thread but I couldn't think of a good
>> throwaway line.

Fred Fredburger wrote:
> Anything with the word "trains" in it would be good.

That's JFT's cue.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 7:00 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 12/9/2010 10:44 AM, Beloved Fred No. 1 wrote:
> drmofe wrote:
>>> I was going to post in this thread but I couldn't think of a good
>>> throwaway line.
>
> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>> Anything with the word "trains" in it would be good.
>
> That's JFT's cue.

A highly underrated thread.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 8:00 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 12/9/2010 9:00 PM, Fred Fredburger wrote:
> On 12/9/2010 10:44 AM, Beloved Fred No. 1 wrote:
>> drmofe wrote:
>>>> I was going to post in this thread but I couldn't think of a good
>>>> throwaway line.
>>
>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>> Anything with the word "trains" in it would be good.
>>
>> That's JFT's cue.
>
> A highly underrated thread.

Remember, when they come for your guns its important to have two.
That way you can give them one and still have one in reserve.

Unless they know you post here, then they'll know you own two so
you should probably pick up a third. That would be acceptable.

Fred Flintstein


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 11:57 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 12/9/2010 8:00 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 12/9/2010 9:00 PM, Fred Fredburger wrote:
>> On 12/9/2010 10:44 AM, Beloved Fred No. 1 wrote:
>>> drmofe wrote:
>>>>> I was going to post in this thread but I couldn't think of a good
>>>>> throwaway line.
>>>
>>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>>> Anything with the word "trains" in it would be good.
>>>
>>> That's JFT's cue.
>>
>> A highly underrated thread.
>
> Remember, when they come for your guns its important to have two.
> That way you can give them one and still have one in reserve.
>
> Unless they know you post here, then they'll know you own two so
> you should probably pick up a third. That would be acceptable.
>
> Fred Flintstein

It's all mute (sic) since Obama took all our guns away in 2008.

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TOPIC: Alexi Grewal: worst teammate ever
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cab4be86af73cf15?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 2:05 am
From: "A. Dumas"


--D-y wrote:
> Addressing the title line: third and fourth finishers, Dag-Otto
> Lauritzen and Morten Saether, were teammates riding for Norway.
> Morten dragged Dag-Otto to the line and got outsprinted for the last
> medal. Dag-Otto went on to a pro contract; Morten rode the Tour of
> Texas (amateur) in '86 and I think subsequently went back to school
> and got a degree.

I know who really won.


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 3:47 am
From: drmofe


On Dec 9, 5:05 pm, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:

> Addressing the title line: third and fourth finishers, Dag-Otto
> Lauritzen and Morten Saether, were teammates riding for Norway.
> Morten dragged Dag-Otto to the line and got outsprinted for the last
> medal. Dag-Otto went on to a pro contract; Morten rode the Tour of

Dag-Otto Lauritzen was also somewhat famous in Norway for dragging one
L. Armstrong up to the Indurain-driven break on the last lap of World
Champs, Oslo 1993.


== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 5:55 am
From: Anton Berlin


Sorry Ryan but this subject line makes you look like a putz. If a guy
holds support from a teammate and then drops out or gets 18th then
he's a selfish fucking cunt and deserves the worst.

But if a guy does these things believing he can win and then does it -
that makes him a god.

Because anyone that's got to that level will tell you when the race
starts - it's every man for himself.

(of course this is different in stage racing but one day races you're
on your own)


== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 6:23 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 12/8/2010 8:07 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
> On Dec 8, 3:58 pm, Ryan Cousineau<rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I remind you this reinforces my "amateur bike racing is awesome"
>> theory, since in 1984 this was an amateurs-only race.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I was too greedy (regarding teamwork) in two races and I regret it
> both times. It didn't work out.
>
> It's better to work with or for your teamates.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

If you read between the lines in what Alexi writes in the
comments it isn't obvious that he disagrees with you.

"One can use your brain, for good or for things that are
not so good. Imagine my brain being used to support Davis
and Ron. A little bit different perspective and I could
have easily controlled that entire race and brought Ron
and Davis to the finish on an armchair.

Think perhaps of how that would have affected my lifetime
goal of being a Tour de France rider. One can never go
back, but we can change how we go forward."

Fred Flintstein


== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 6:55 am
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Dec 9, 6:23 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 12/8/2010 8:07 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 3:58 pm, Ryan Cousineau<rcous...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >> I remind you this reinforces my "amateur bike racing is awesome"
> >> theory, since in 1984 this was an amateurs-only race.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > I was too greedy (regarding teamwork) in two races and I regret it
> > both times. It didn't work out.
>
> > It's better to work with or for your teamates.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> If you read between the lines in what Alexi writes in the
> comments it isn't obvious that he disagrees with you.
>
> "One can use your brain, for good or for things that are
> not so good. Imagine my brain being used to support Davis
> and Ron. A little bit different perspective and I could
> have easily controlled that entire race and brought Ron
> and Davis to the finish on an armchair.
>
> Think perhaps of how that would have affected my lifetime
> goal of being a Tour de France rider. One can never go
> back, but we can change how we go forward."

Dumbass -

I didn't even read the article. That is some good introspection.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 6:58 am
From: Plano Dude


On Dec 9, 8:23 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 12/8/2010 8:07 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 3:58 pm, Ryan Cousineau<rcous...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >> I remind you this reinforces my "amateur bike racing is awesome"
> >> theory, since in 1984 this was an amateurs-only race.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > I was too greedy (regarding teamwork) in two races and I regret it
> > both times. It didn't work out.
>
> > It's better to work with or for your teamates.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> If you read between the lines in what Alexi writes in the
> comments it isn't obvious that he disagrees with you.
>
> "One can use your brain, for good or for things that are
> not so good. Imagine my brain being used to support Davis
> and Ron. A little bit different perspective and I could
> have easily controlled that entire race and brought Ron
> and Davis to the finish on an armchair.
>
> Think perhaps of how that would have affected my lifetime
> goal of being a Tour de France rider. One can never go
> back, but we can change how we go forward."
>
> Fred Flintstein

Good talk. I see similarities in attitudes between the young Grewal
and young Armstrong. Speaking of changing how we go forward, Armstrong
figured it out but it doesn't appear that Grewal did.


== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 7:12 am
From: --D-y


On Dec 9, 4:05 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> --D-y wrote:
> > Addressing the title line: third and fourth finishers, Dag-Otto
> > Lauritzen and Morten Saether, were teammates riding for Norway.
> > Morten dragged Dag-Otto to the line and got outsprinted for the last
> > medal. Dag-Otto went on to a pro contract; Morten rode the Tour of
> > Texas (amateur) in '86 and I think subsequently went back to school
> > and got a degree.
>
> I know who really won.

The guy with the most toys at the end?
--D-y


== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 9:07 am
From: Steven Bornfeld


On 12/8/2010 6:58 PM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In his own, awesome words:
>
> http://www.alexigrewal.com/index.php/blog/104-the-skinsuit-aka-the-olympics-in-la
>
> " I was not thinking what I could do to help Davis, I was thinking how
> I could use the situation to work all my rivals against each other"
>
> "Phinney was wearing a skin suit.... The skinsuit was information I
> filed away. Only one pocket was sewn into it and we faced a hot,
> hilly two hundred kilometer race. One feed zone per lap on a
> downhill, right near the start finish, wearing a skin suit with one
> pocket was to rely on the unreliable."
>
> "Two laps to go Davis asks me for food. I lied, said I don�t have
> any, I justified it in my mind by thinking I might need it myself."
>
> ...and much more, very entertaining stuff, not just about hiding food
> from the team leader, but also about his tactical choices, and how he
> saw the race.
>
> I did a cursory search, and haven't seen a post in rbr that breaks
> down 1984 Olympic road race race to this extent. Grewal's explanation
> is as fascinating as it is Machiavellian.
>
> There's more goodies in the rest of the site, including his story of
> spitting on the camera man.
>
> I remind you this reinforces my "amateur bike racing is awesome"
> theory, since in 1984 this was an amateurs-only race.


Awesome is right!

Steve

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== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 6:33 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau


On Dec 9, 5:55 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sorry Ryan but this subject line makes you look like a putz.  If a guy
> holds support from a teammate and then drops out or gets 18th then
> he's a selfish fucking cunt and deserves the worst.
>
> But if a guy does these things believing he can win and then does it -
> that makes him a god.
>
> Because anyone that's got to that level will tell you when the race
> starts - it's every man for himself.
>
> (of course this is different in stage racing but one day races you're
> on your own)
On Dec 9, 5:55 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sorry Ryan but this subject line makes you look like a putz.  If a guy
> holds support from a teammate and then drops out or gets 18th then
> he's a selfish fucking cunt and deserves the worst.
>
> But if a guy does these things believing he can win and then does it -
> that makes him a god.
>
> Because anyone that's got to that level will tell you when the race
> starts - it's every man for himself.
>
> (of course this is different in stage racing but one day races you're
> on your own)

I said "worst teammate," not "worst racer." As you note, Grewal
achieved cycling greatness that day.

But he took an awful risk. He relied on being able to outsprint Bauer
heads-up, but he got away with it. As he notes, the good-teammate plan
would have meant delivering Kiefel and Phinney to the finish, with
extremely good odds for the USA.

The meta-problem at the Olympics and Worlds is that national "teams"
are largely a crock, featuring minimal functional loyalties (as
opposed to pro teams, where the personal and financial ties are
usually stronger). Even club teams are more of a real team.


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TOPIC: HCT
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f30c312a6c989d06?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 7:10 am
From: steve


I recently had routine blood tests done. Along with a lot of cryptic
abbreviations is one HCT. Is this the same thing that gets racers in
trouble if it is too high?

No mine isn't that high.
Thanks


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 7:13 am
From: "A. Dumas"


steve wrote:
> I recently had routine blood tests done. Along with a lot of cryptic
> abbreviations is one HCT. Is this the same thing that gets racers in
> trouble if it is too high?

Yes.

> No mine isn't that high.

Good: more room for improvement. Call the good doctor.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 7:17 am
From: steve


On Dec 9, 7:13 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> steve wrote:
> > I recently had routine blood tests done. Along with a lot of cryptic
> > abbreviations is one HCT. Is this the same thing that gets racers in
> > trouble if it is too high?
>
> Yes.
>
> > No mine isn't that high.
>
> Good: more room for improvement. Call the good doctor.

That what I was thinking


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 8:56 am
From: "Steve Freides"


steve wrote:
> I recently had routine blood tests done. Along with a lot of cryptic
> abbreviations is one HCT. Is this the same thing that gets racers in
> trouble if it is too high?
>
> No mine isn't that high.
> Thanks

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/HCT

I'm familiar with the first two on this list. The second one is
hematocrit - I think the upper limit is 50 for male cyclists, isn't it?

I actually got red-lighted for this on a recent blood test - my
physician then pointed out to me that that idiot who drew my blood had
checked off "female" and that's why mine showed as abnormally high.
(Yes, you can make all the jokes you like about that.) The lab redid
the paperwork with my correct gender and, lo and behold, my hematocrit
became normal again.

The second one is hydrochlorothiazide, a diuretic drug often taken by
people with high blood pressure. My father, who has congestive heart
failure and high blood pressure, takes it every day. It's banned in any
drug-tested sport so far as I know, so your level of that HCT can get
you in trouble, too.

-S-

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TOPIC: Lafferty miss this one ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/32f9230b36efd9aa?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 8:38 am
From: Fred Fredburger


On 12/8/2010 2:56 PM, BLafferty wrote:
> On 12/8/2010 2:19 PM, William R. Mattil wrote:
>> Found this one by accident, but it was interesting to read regardless.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2e7u52f
>>
>> here is the original - likely wrapped
>>
>> http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2010/06/more-evidence-on-lance-armstrongs.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
> Very old news.

Lafferty makes a statute of limitations argument?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 5:43 pm
From: BLafferty


On 12/9/2010 11:38 AM, Fred Fredburger wrote:
> On 12/8/2010 2:56 PM, BLafferty wrote:
>> On 12/8/2010 2:19 PM, William R. Mattil wrote:
>>> Found this one by accident, but it was interesting to read regardless.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2e7u52f
>>>
>>> here is the original - likely wrapped
>>>
>>> http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2010/06/more-evidence-on-lance-armstrongs.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>> Very old news.
>
> Lafferty makes a statute of limitations argument?
No. :-)

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TOPIC: Can't make this up :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9316b1844886d071?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 10:16 am
From: Amit Ghosh


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/belgian-amateur-champion-receives-one-year-ban

As an active anti-doping advocate, he had instigated the doping
controls performed by the Flemish Community at the Belgian
Championships of the WAOD amateur cycling federation. But after he'd
won his age group event, he tested positive for Methylhexanamine.

....

Even the Belgian agency for food safety supports his argument that the
Methylhexanamine came from a supplement by the name of Crack. "I
especially looked for a safe supplement and my pharmacist said that
Crack did not contain any doping," said Taelman. "How can I, along
with thousands of recreational sportsmen, know that Crack contains
Methylhexanamine?"


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 12:48 pm
From: Phil H


On Dec 9, 11:16 am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/belgian-amateur-champion-receives-one...
>
> As an active anti-doping advocate, he had instigated the doping
> controls performed by the Flemish Community at the Belgian
> Championships of the WAOD amateur cycling federation. But after he'd
> won his age group event, he tested positive for Methylhexanamine.
>
> ....
>
> Even the Belgian agency for food safety supports his argument that the
> Methylhexanamine came from a supplement by the name of Crack. "I
> especially looked for a safe supplement and my pharmacist said that
> Crack did not contain any doping," said Taelman. "How can I, along
> with thousands of recreational sportsmen, know that Crack contains
> Methylhexanamine?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylhexanamine

Phil H

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Phenotype

Lorinda Chung, Juliana Liu, Lori Parsons, Paul M. Hassoun, Michael McGoon,

David B. Badesch, Dave P. Miller, Mark R. Nicolls, and Roham T. Zamanian

Chest 2010;138 1383-1394

http://chestjournal.chestpubs.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/6/1383?etoc

 

Progressive Dilatation of the Main Pulmonary Artery Is a Characteristic of

Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension and Is Not Related to Changes in Pressure

Bart Boerrigter, Gert-Jan Mauritz, J. Tim Marcus, Frank Helderman, Pieter

E. Postmus, Nico Westerhof, and Anton Vonk-Noordegraaf

Chest 2010;138 1395-1401

http://chestjournal.chestpubs.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/6/1395?etoc

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