Friday, December 10, 2010

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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e1e53cbd5493c06d?hl=en
* My 2010 predictions exact so far (link included) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/51378b90351327ee?hl=en
* I challenge you Colonel ! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/db84c0494c69bbde?hl=en
* RIP Dandy Don. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ed5dcd6d2e1e0747?hl=en
* Jets top 2 weakneses exposed in 1st Q on way to 0-17. - 7 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7fb338f4cf29d4b3?hl=en
* Jets offensive line over five eras... Which was best ??? - 4 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d86afce45d68a147?hl=en
* Punish Pratt - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ce8a203b81ab455f?hl=en
* In respect of Don Meredith - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1969db4fa54fb88d?hl=en
* Fisher has left the building - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1abc69cf394568b1?hl=en
* fat Bastard knows he wont be around long cause hes a fat pig..digs own grave
- 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c14917a84d45cbfb?hl=en

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TOPIC: My 2010 predictions exact so far (link included)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 6:46 am
From: A J


"That's why they play the games."
>
> h

Great point, Harlan,

After all of the analysis, who really saw the Raiders beating the
bolts,
Indy losing again, or <gulp> the Jets losing by 6 possessions?

I've got an idea, since pre game analysis is so revered by many,
next season, if the lockout DOES occur, the league should set the
schedule, and have accuscore simulate the games. All results will
be certified by the league and each team will have a season record.

Then, when the
lockout is over, all teams can pick up the season already in progress
and play the remainder of the games for real.

I wonder how many would be in favor of that plan?????????? :-)

A J


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TOPIC: I challenge you Colonel !
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 9:20 am
From: " `�.��.���\)R�v�sf�n @\(�`�.��.��"


"Dark Shadow" <crossing_threshold@ymail.com> wrote in message
news:98003784-050b-4005-8799-d302ff2d9245@n2g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 9, 5:24 pm, "\( ` . avNsfan . \)"
<rustylomba...@ravenot.com> wrote:
> "Dark Shadow" <crossing_thresh...@ymail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a623d740-3d24-4e05-be6c-3f1eab32d36d@k14g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 8, 8:37 am, "\( ` . avNsfan . \)"
>
>
>
> <rustylomba...@ravenot.com> wrote:
> > "Dark Shadow" <crossing_thresh...@ymail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:82bed31e-a403-45a2-8952-623e7b13c500@v17g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >I challenge the user posting as Colonel Edmund J. Burke to meet me in
> > > person and prove to me and everyone else that he is not a worthless
> > > waste of a human. I challenge you Edmund J. Burke, to prove to me you
> > > are more than your pathetic words of abuse. You can either continue to
> > > sit behind your keyboard and play coward or you can meet me face to
> > > face and prove to me you're not just another pussy faced cocksucker
> > > who's only strength is a keyboard and mouse.
>
> > > As I'm sure you will not agree to my request I'm calling you out as a
> > > punk and worthless waste of human life. As I am sure if we were to
> > > settle this in person you would not last long enough to beg for mercy.
> > > More then likely you will continue to hide behind your monitor and
> > > keyboard and talk big talk with out backing it up. You are no more
> > > then a weak, coward with no life. Meet me in person and prove me
> > > wrong !
>
> > Stroking his adolescent dick the way you've been doing doesn't seem to
> > be
> > working jethro...
>
> > Drew
> > ` . . ) v sf n ( ` . .
>
> > "...I'm sending him to the kill file,
> > I suggest the rest of you do the same".
> > alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers
> > *Strickland* - April 15, 2009
>
> > "...I guess I'll go back to my previous habit
> > of just ignoring your posts..."
> > alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers
> > *Rocky*(the nutless squirrel) - Feb 23, 2010
> > Did you crawl out of Burkes ass?
>
> No I crawled in yours!
>
> LOL
>
> Dark shadow is another name for skid mark.
>
> LOL
> Drew
> ` . . ) v sf n ( ` . .

Troll

Without a doubt... he's definitely an asstroll !

Drew
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( the original )


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:06 am
From: Dark Shadow

(¯`·.¸®avNsfan®¸.·´¯)
Troll

Without a doubt... he's definitely an asstroll !
(¯`·.¸®avNsfan®¸.·´¯)


Talking to yourself again

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TOPIC: RIP Dandy Don.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:41 am
From: the felonious kidd


On Dec 9, 9:51 pm, frndthdevl <frndthd...@aol.com> wrote:
> "there is a lot of country music i like,and alot I don.t ...........i
> like guys a little out of sync,you know just a lil bit out of
> sync,this guy is not ordinary"
>
> Yeah dandy
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD4RD8vlqVQ&feature=related
>
> pack up all your sishes.........

"little suckers have always bored me"

Jacky Jack Double Track keepin' it clean and respectable for Dinah.

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TOPIC: Jets top 2 weakneses exposed in 1st Q on way to 0-17.
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:43 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-9E3EC9.16523008122010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article
> <b08dba78-b5cc-4b9d-9856-9d3dc62f0f9b@k14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 8, 12:11 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 16:10:30 -0800 (PST), Grinch
>> > <oldna...@mindspring.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >On Dec 7, 11:01 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >>....
>> > >> I wonder if Rex has encountered the thought, that keeping Schott
>> > >> will
>> > >> have an effect on
>> > >> his longevity as HC? I mean... does he ever realize that Schott may
>> > >> be a
>> > >> problem?- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > >> - Show quoted text -
>> >
>> > >If he's as smart as he's supposed to be, he's probably thinking about
>> > >how his own D giving up 45 points ... 6 TD and a FG in the first nine
>> > >drives ... and 20 yards per pass completion in the first Q as they
>> > >gave up 17 (a 68-per game rate), is a problem.
>> >
>> > Of course, the Jets offense was never on the field, between those 7
>> > scoring
>> > drives, were
>> > they?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >After the game he said the collapse of the D was the big problem last
>> > >night, so there is some hope that he may be as smart as he's supposed
>> > >to be.
>> >
>> > Whereas scoring 3 points, of course, was not a problem, was it?
>>
>> When the D gives up 6 TDs and a FG in 9 drives you lose unless the O
>> scores more than 6 TDS and a FG in its nine drives.
>>
>> So if you want to deny that the D collapse was the *BIG* problem in
>> this game, you have to say they lost because the O failed to score >45
>> points -- while playing uphill from behind all the way from before it
>> got to run its first play.
>>
>> I mean, c'mon. If Lex Luthor set off a nuclear bomb at the
>> Meadowlands you'd say, "yeah, but you're ignoring Schott..."
>
> No. This is silly Grinch.
>
> If the Offense moves the ball down the field and scores (and specials
> make kicks and punt further than twelve yards), it not only impacts on
> the other team's D, it minimizes time the other team can score, puts
> pressure on them, etc. There is no way the Pats would have scored 45
> points had the offense performed as other teams had against this defense.
>
> harlan

You are wasting you time Harlan...he has his position, he views himself as
an expert on the issue and will not budge...no matter how ridiculous it is.
These guys are a lot like the buffoons in Congress and The White House. How
anyone can ignore the fact that if the O does anything, takes up some time
and actually scores...that is time the other team can NOT be scoring and it
also totally changes the game plan and approach the other team uses...this
is a TEAM sport and involves all three aspects of the game. They can't see
that at all. Yes...the D played terribly, and YES the O did nothing to help
that situation. I'll get ripped for saying anything that comes from having
some experience with the game...I'll be accused of all kinds of crap...but I
know what I know...and when I D is stressed and trying to regroup, a good O
will call a game that keeps them out there for a while, and hopefully moving
toward a TD...that works for the TEAM...for both sides of the ball. I knew
I shouldn't have come back to this...it is a totally pointless discussion
here. Be well, H, have a good Holiday season.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:45 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 7, 12:38 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 21:25:08 -0800 (PST), Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
> >On Dec 7, 12:12 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On Dec 6, 11:53 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > "Grinch" <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >news:3af3c801-aa2d-4af9-a572-2ff0403e6eb4@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> >> > On Dec 6, 10:23 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > > "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >> > >news:4314ba79-734d-45d3-8a81-05c6339e464d@29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...
> >> > > On Dec 6, 9:59 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Weakness #1: The pass D, while staying #1 on allowing lowest % of
> >> > > > completed passes, only 50%, has plunged from #2 to #28 on yards
> >> > > > allowed per completion.
>
> >> > > > First quarter: Brady only hits 5 of 10, 50% good!
>
> >> > > > But those five average 17 yds each, terrible. Count the 36 yd
> >> > > > interference penalty in the end zone after the D backfield gets
> >> > > > beat
> >> > > > there, and it is 20 yards (!) per completion. *Gawd Awful*.
>
> >> > > > Weakness #2: Sanchez has a league bottom (29th) completion
> >> > > > percentage.
>
> >> > > > First quarter: Sanchez hits 2 of 7.
>
> >> > > > (And nobody can say Schott didn't come out throwing against the
> >> > > > weak
> >> > > > Patriot pass D ... didn't use the hurry up offense Sanchez loves
> >> > > > ...
> >> > > > didn't throw slants to Holmes.)
>
> >> > > > Result: 0-17, and the Jets have to play uphill out of this hole
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > rest of the way.
>
> >> > > Rex Ryan loses after every bye week. This is the equivalent.
> >> > > Completely unprepared physically and mentally. He either does not
> >> > > know how to get his team ready or is just too lax too much of the
> >> > > time. Our defense is atrocious. Without Harris and Taylor in there
> >> > > it was even worse, but make no mistake, this pass defense is weak.
>
> >> > > What you are watching is a very poorly designed pass
> >> > > defense...defense in
> >> > > general..it is all gambling...they have totally wasted their two
> >> > > best D
> >> > > backs....NO pass rush...this was all smoke and mirrors, no
> >> > > substance.-
> >> > > Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > The same defense worked great last year with no more pass rush.
>
> >> > The opposing OC's have figured out how to see through the smoke and
> >> > hit big plays against it this year.
>
> >> > There was more of a rush last year....and they did not use the same
> >> > stuff at
> >> > all...this is a lot more of the "bubble" "amoeba" crap now....they
> >> > look like
> >> > they confuse themselves to me.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> jets defensive issues are all manpower issues
>
> >How is the manpower so much worse this year than last year, when they
> >were #1 against both pass and run?
>
> Ellis is a year older, and offers little in the pass rush.
> Rhodes was a pussy, but he was better in coverage than anyone this season.
> Pace is really the only rusher we have, and as such, he can be
> neutralized.
> And without the talent, a scheme can only go so far. Other OCs have
> learned to attack our
> weaknesses... and we don't have the talent, to make up for it.
>
>
>
> >Has adding Cromartie, Taylor and Wilson really hurt the D all that
> >much?
>
> Cromartie is a plus... Wilson is nonsense, and Taylor has had a very few
> moments.

OK. So how does that make the D personnel so much worse than last
year?

THEY SIMPLY PLAYED BETTER LAST YEAR !

>
> >>... no interior pass
> >> rush, no pass rush from the edge... the db's are not able to hold that
> >> scheme up with press coverage unless they can shorten the time the
> >> QB's have to throw the ball. when they try to go max coverage in zone,
> >> their safeties suck so bad that wont work either.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:50 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0ef7bf57-a443-4c05-a033-9441ec3c5d7f@m7g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>> What you are watching is a very poorly designed pass defense...defense in
>> general..it is all gambling...they have totally wasted their two best D
>> backs....NO pass rush...this was all smoke and mirrors, no substance.
>
> Papa, I thought of what you said about the lack of a base defense as I
> watched.
>
> I wonder how much is Rex & how much is Pettine? Doe she yank control
> when it gets bad?

It's all Rex....his father got into this crap too....they out think
themselves with all the cute schemes that are all designed on a particular
tendency of the O for down / distance / field position and time in game or
game situation....then if the O does something different they are
screwed...that is the time you go back to a base D, go back to something
that everyone knows and works...to me, it looks like they rarely do this and
they often look confused. When your big time players are the two starts
CB's and you just don't get them involved in the D, something is
wrong...then they LB's got taken out of the game too....at some point you
need to recognize the scheme is not working and have something to go back
to. OMHO...what do I know?


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 12:46 pm
From: Grinch


On Dec 8, 4:53 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <b08dba78-b5cc-4b9d-9856-9d3dc62f0...@k14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 8, 12:11 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 16:10:30 -0800 (PST), Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >On Dec 7, 11:01 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>....
> > > >> I wonder if Rex has encountered the thought, that keeping Schott will
> > > >> have an effect on
> > > >> his longevity as HC? I mean... does he ever realize that Schott may be a
> > > >> problem?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > >If he's as smart as he's supposed to be, he's probably thinking about
> > > >how his own D giving up 45 points ... 6 TD and a FG in the first nine
> > > >drives ... and 20 yards per pass completion in the first Q as they
> > > >gave up 17 (a 68-per game rate), is a problem.
>
> > > Of course, the Jets offense was never on the field, between those 7 scoring
> > > drives, were
> > > they?
>
> > > >After the game he said the collapse of the D was the big problem last
> > > >night, so there is some hope that he may be as smart as he's supposed
> > > >to be.
>
> > > Whereas scoring 3 points, of course, was not a problem, was it?
>
> > When the D gives up 6 TDs and a FG in 9 drives you lose unless the O
> > scores more than 6 TDS and a FG in its nine drives.
>
> > So if you want to deny that the D collapse was the *BIG* problem in
> > this game, you have to say they lost because the O failed to score >45
> > points -- while playing uphill from behind all the way from before it
> > got to run its first play.
>
> > I mean, c'mon.  If Lex Luthor set off a nuclear bomb at the
> > Meadowlands you'd say, "yeah, but you're ignoring Schott..."
>
> No. This is silly Grinch.
>
> If the Offense moves the ball down the field and scores (and specials
> make kicks and punt further than twelve yards), it not only impacts on
> the other team's D, it minimizes time the other team can score, puts
> pressure on them, etc.  There is no way the Pats would have scored 45
> points had the offense performed as other teams had against this defense.
>
> harlan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

In principle of course your are right -- but it works exactly the
other way too.

If the D holds on those first three drives in the 1st Q then the game
is close at worst, we can use our superior running game, the running
game sets up the pass via play action etc., Sanchez has a much easier
hand to play, the weak Pats D has to defend run and pass at the same
time -- and Sanchez and Co are in the same situation in which they've
been good enough to produce 9-2 until then.

So it is symetrical -- good D protects and sets up the O, and good O
protects and sets up the D, in principle.

But in *practice*, coming into this season, to win now, which squad
has to be responsible for doing the heavy lifting? Coming into this
season off of last year, were you thinking "This year we win with our
great D!" or "This year we win with our great O!" ??

Last year the D was #1 against both run and pass, dominating as few
do.

Last year the Pass O was at the bottom of the league, with a QB ranked
#25.

So what was this year's success going to be primarily based upon??

Sanchez has shown he *can* win when the game is close so he can use
the running game, stick to the plan, not be forced to improvise.

He's also shown that with his league-bottom completion rate, and let's
say unfinished education at reading Ds, you *can't* expect him to be
the hero improvising and hurling the ball to come back from multiple
scores down against a good D waiting for him to tryt. Look at the
picks he threw Monday. Thinking he and the O should be able to do that
is delusional.

So who is responsible for keeping the game close so Sanchez can play
at his best? "The best defense in the league", to quote Rex. That's
who.

Football is a war game and there's an old military saying: you have to
win with the army you've got, not another one you'd prefer to have.
With our army, if the D on its opening possessions gives up score,
score, score, score, we're screwed. We don't have Peyton's O to lead
the comeback.

If we did have Peyton's O with last year's #1 D, then I'd say they
were equally responsible for covering each other. But we don't.
Sanchez is #25 this year too.

BTW, Peyton's in the reverse situation. How many people say the Colts
won their SB and all their division titles over the last decade
because of their D? When Peyton throws 4 picks how many people say,
"the Colts lost because of their damned defense"? The Colts started
only 6-6 this year and I've heard a lot of people say it's because
Peyton and all the injured O players are having a bad year -- I
haven't heard a single person say: If only the Colts D had sucked it
up to compensate they'd be 10-2, it's their defense's fault! Is that
fair?

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 1:14 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <KtOdnW_9gNtE6Z_QnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> news:harlan-9E3EC9.16523008122010@news60.forteinc.com...
> > In article
> > <b08dba78-b5cc-4b9d-9856-9d3dc62f0f9b@k14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> > Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Dec 8, 12:11 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 16:10:30 -0800 (PST), Grinch
> >> > <oldna...@mindspring.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >On Dec 7, 11:01 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>....
> >> > >> I wonder if Rex has encountered the thought, that keeping Schott
> >> > >> will
> >> > >> have an effect on
> >> > >> his longevity as HC? I mean... does he ever realize that Schott may
> >> > >> be a
> >> > >> problem?- Hide quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > >> - Show quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > >If he's as smart as he's supposed to be, he's probably thinking about
> >> > >how his own D giving up 45 points ... 6 TD and a FG in the first nine
> >> > >drives ... and 20 yards per pass completion in the first Q as they
> >> > >gave up 17 (a 68-per game rate), is a problem.
> >> >
> >> > Of course, the Jets offense was never on the field, between those 7
> >> > scoring
> >> > drives, were
> >> > they?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >After the game he said the collapse of the D was the big problem last
> >> > >night, so there is some hope that he may be as smart as he's supposed
> >> > >to be.
> >> >
> >> > Whereas scoring 3 points, of course, was not a problem, was it?
> >>
> >> When the D gives up 6 TDs and a FG in 9 drives you lose unless the O
> >> scores more than 6 TDS and a FG in its nine drives.
> >>
> >> So if you want to deny that the D collapse was the *BIG* problem in
> >> this game, you have to say they lost because the O failed to score >45
> >> points -- while playing uphill from behind all the way from before it
> >> got to run its first play.
> >>
> >> I mean, c'mon. If Lex Luthor set off a nuclear bomb at the
> >> Meadowlands you'd say, "yeah, but you're ignoring Schott..."
> >
> > No. This is silly Grinch.
> >
> > If the Offense moves the ball down the field and scores (and specials
> > make kicks and punt further than twelve yards), it not only impacts on
> > the other team's D, it minimizes time the other team can score, puts
> > pressure on them, etc. There is no way the Pats would have scored 45
> > points had the offense performed as other teams had against this defense.
> >
> > harlan
>
> You are wasting you time Harlan...he has his position, he views himself as
> an expert on the issue and will not budge...no matter how ridiculous it is.
> These guys are a lot like the buffoons in Congress and The White House. How
> anyone can ignore the fact that if the O does anything, takes up some time
> and actually scores...that is time the other team can NOT be scoring and it
> also totally changes the game plan and approach the other team uses...this
> is a TEAM sport and involves all three aspects of the game. They can't see
> that at all. Yes...the D played terribly, and YES the O did nothing to help
> that situation. I'll get ripped for saying anything that comes from having
> some experience with the game...I'll be accused of all kinds of crap...but I
> know what I know...and when I D is stressed and trying to regroup, a good O
> will call a game that keeps them out there for a while, and hopefully moving
> toward a TD...that works for the TEAM...for both sides of the ball. I knew
> I shouldn't have come back to this...it is a totally pointless discussion
> here. Be well, H, have a good Holiday season.

Thanks Papa. Birthday coming up. I am one of the few people guaranteed a
national holiday on their birthday in just about every country in the
civilized world. I would say it was a big one, but it just means I am
too old.

h


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 3:29 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-3C8472.16143010122010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <KtOdnW_9gNtE6Z_QnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>> news:harlan-9E3EC9.16523008122010@news60.forteinc.com...
>> > In article
>> > <b08dba78-b5cc-4b9d-9856-9d3dc62f0f9b@k14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Dec 8, 12:11 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 16:10:30 -0800 (PST), Grinch
>> >> > <oldna...@mindspring.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >On Dec 7, 11:01 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >>....
>> >> > >> I wonder if Rex has encountered the thought, that keeping Schott
>> >> > >> will
>> >> > >> have an effect on
>> >> > >> his longevity as HC? I mean... does he ever realize that Schott
>> >> > >> may
>> >> > >> be a
>> >> > >> problem?- Hide quoted text -
>> >> >
>> >> > >> - Show quoted text -
>> >> >
>> >> > >If he's as smart as he's supposed to be, he's probably thinking
>> >> > >about
>> >> > >how his own D giving up 45 points ... 6 TD and a FG in the first
>> >> > >nine
>> >> > >drives ... and 20 yards per pass completion in the first Q as they
>> >> > >gave up 17 (a 68-per game rate), is a problem.
>> >> >
>> >> > Of course, the Jets offense was never on the field, between those 7
>> >> > scoring
>> >> > drives, were
>> >> > they?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >After the game he said the collapse of the D was the big problem
>> >> > >last
>> >> > >night, so there is some hope that he may be as smart as he's
>> >> > >supposed
>> >> > >to be.
>> >> >
>> >> > Whereas scoring 3 points, of course, was not a problem, was it?
>> >>
>> >> When the D gives up 6 TDs and a FG in 9 drives you lose unless the O
>> >> scores more than 6 TDS and a FG in its nine drives.
>> >>
>> >> So if you want to deny that the D collapse was the *BIG* problem in
>> >> this game, you have to say they lost because the O failed to score >45
>> >> points -- while playing uphill from behind all the way from before it
>> >> got to run its first play.
>> >>
>> >> I mean, c'mon. If Lex Luthor set off a nuclear bomb at the
>> >> Meadowlands you'd say, "yeah, but you're ignoring Schott..."
>> >
>> > No. This is silly Grinch.
>> >
>> > If the Offense moves the ball down the field and scores (and specials
>> > make kicks and punt further than twelve yards), it not only impacts on
>> > the other team's D, it minimizes time the other team can score, puts
>> > pressure on them, etc. There is no way the Pats would have scored 45
>> > points had the offense performed as other teams had against this
>> > defense.
>> >
>> > harlan
>>
>> You are wasting you time Harlan...he has his position, he views himself
>> as
>> an expert on the issue and will not budge...no matter how ridiculous it
>> is.
>> These guys are a lot like the buffoons in Congress and The White House.
>> How
>> anyone can ignore the fact that if the O does anything, takes up some
>> time
>> and actually scores...that is time the other team can NOT be scoring and
>> it
>> also totally changes the game plan and approach the other team
>> uses...this
>> is a TEAM sport and involves all three aspects of the game. They can't
>> see
>> that at all. Yes...the D played terribly, and YES the O did nothing to
>> help
>> that situation. I'll get ripped for saying anything that comes from
>> having
>> some experience with the game...I'll be accused of all kinds of
>> crap...but I
>> know what I know...and when I D is stressed and trying to regroup, a good
>> O
>> will call a game that keeps them out there for a while, and hopefully
>> moving
>> toward a TD...that works for the TEAM...for both sides of the ball. I
>> knew
>> I shouldn't have come back to this...it is a totally pointless discussion
>> here. Be well, H, have a good Holiday season.
>
> Thanks Papa. Birthday coming up. I am one of the few people guaranteed a
> national holiday on their birthday in just about every country in the
> civilized world. I would say it was a big one, but it just means I am
> too old.
>
> h

I tried putting up the outside decorations today....I decided that I am not
the guy I once was because of all the surgery. Then my son calls, he tells
me that isn't it...I'm just old. Anyway...some of the stuff got up...enough
of it did, I'm done. :-) Happy Birthday ! Jan 1st?


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 8:31 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <xJydnYPB3-BWKp_QnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> news:harlan-3C8472.16143010122010@news60.forteinc.com...
> > In article <KtOdnW_9gNtE6Z_QnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> >> news:harlan-9E3EC9.16523008122010@news60.forteinc.com...
> >> > In article
> >> > <b08dba78-b5cc-4b9d-9856-9d3dc62f0f9b@k14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Dec 8, 12:11 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 16:10:30 -0800 (PST), Grinch
> >> >> > <oldna...@mindspring.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >On Dec 7, 11:01 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >>....
> >> >> > >> I wonder if Rex has encountered the thought, that keeping Schott
> >> >> > >> will
> >> >> > >> have an effect on
> >> >> > >> his longevity as HC? I mean... does he ever realize that Schott
> >> >> > >> may
> >> >> > >> be a
> >> >> > >> problem?- Hide quoted text -
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >> - Show quoted text -
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >If he's as smart as he's supposed to be, he's probably thinking
> >> >> > >about
> >> >> > >how his own D giving up 45 points ... 6 TD and a FG in the first
> >> >> > >nine
> >> >> > >drives ... and 20 yards per pass completion in the first Q as they
> >> >> > >gave up 17 (a 68-per game rate), is a problem.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Of course, the Jets offense was never on the field, between those 7
> >> >> > scoring
> >> >> > drives, were
> >> >> > they?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >After the game he said the collapse of the D was the big problem
> >> >> > >last
> >> >> > >night, so there is some hope that he may be as smart as he's
> >> >> > >supposed
> >> >> > >to be.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Whereas scoring 3 points, of course, was not a problem, was it?
> >> >>
> >> >> When the D gives up 6 TDs and a FG in 9 drives you lose unless the O
> >> >> scores more than 6 TDS and a FG in its nine drives.
> >> >>
> >> >> So if you want to deny that the D collapse was the *BIG* problem in
> >> >> this game, you have to say they lost because the O failed to score >45
> >> >> points -- while playing uphill from behind all the way from before it
> >> >> got to run its first play.
> >> >>
> >> >> I mean, c'mon. If Lex Luthor set off a nuclear bomb at the
> >> >> Meadowlands you'd say, "yeah, but you're ignoring Schott..."
> >> >
> >> > No. This is silly Grinch.
> >> >
> >> > If the Offense moves the ball down the field and scores (and specials
> >> > make kicks and punt further than twelve yards), it not only impacts on
> >> > the other team's D, it minimizes time the other team can score, puts
> >> > pressure on them, etc. There is no way the Pats would have scored 45
> >> > points had the offense performed as other teams had against this
> >> > defense.
> >> >
> >> > harlan
> >>
> >> You are wasting you time Harlan...he has his position, he views himself
> >> as
> >> an expert on the issue and will not budge...no matter how ridiculous it
> >> is.
> >> These guys are a lot like the buffoons in Congress and The White House.
> >> How
> >> anyone can ignore the fact that if the O does anything, takes up some
> >> time
> >> and actually scores...that is time the other team can NOT be scoring and
> >> it
> >> also totally changes the game plan and approach the other team
> >> uses...this
> >> is a TEAM sport and involves all three aspects of the game. They can't
> >> see
> >> that at all. Yes...the D played terribly, and YES the O did nothing to
> >> help
> >> that situation. I'll get ripped for saying anything that comes from
> >> having
> >> some experience with the game...I'll be accused of all kinds of
> >> crap...but I
> >> know what I know...and when I D is stressed and trying to regroup, a good
> >> O
> >> will call a game that keeps them out there for a while, and hopefully
> >> moving
> >> toward a TD...that works for the TEAM...for both sides of the ball. I
> >> knew
> >> I shouldn't have come back to this...it is a totally pointless discussion
> >> here. Be well, H, have a good Holiday season.
> >
> > Thanks Papa. Birthday coming up. I am one of the few people guaranteed a
> > national holiday on their birthday in just about every country in the
> > civilized world. I would say it was a big one, but it just means I am
> > too old.
> >
> > h
>
> I tried putting up the outside decorations today....I decided that I am not
> the guy I once was because of all the surgery. Then my son calls, he tells
> me that isn't it...I'm just old. Anyway...some of the stuff got up...enough
> of it did, I'm done. :-) Happy Birthday ! Jan 1st?

At my age, I cannot afford to wait that long. Better make it six days
earlier.

h

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Jets offensive line over five eras... Which was best ???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d86afce45d68a147?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 12:08 pm
From: Michael


It would seem as if the Jets have had some very good offensive lines.
Especially at center. Here are five of their starting lines from past
QB eras. Which one ranks as the best over all ???

Joe Namath era (1968)

LT: Winston Hill
LG: Bob Talamini
C: John Schmidt
RG: Dave Herman
RT: Sam Walton

Richard Todd era (1982)

LT: Chris Ward
LG: Stan Waldemore
C: Joe Fields
RG: Dan Alexander
RT: Marven Powell

Ken Obrien Ear (1986)

LT: Jim Sweeney (moved to center later in the era)
LG: Ted Banker
C: Joe Fields
RG: Dan Alexander
RT: Reggie McElroy

Vinny Testeverde Era (1998)

LT: Jumbo
LG: Todd Burger
C: Mawae
RG: Matt O'Dwier
RT: Jason Fabini
(Randy Thomas also part of this era)

Sanches Era (current)

LT: D'brickashaw Ferguson
LG: Matt Slauson
C: Nick Mangold
RG: Braodnon Moore
RT: Damian Woody

IMOH... Of all of those starting units, I rank them as follows. And,
NO, I NO NOT have to rank the Namath era first because of the
Superbowl and Winston Hill

1. Todd Era (best over all starting the line the Jets ever had. The
could pass block VERY well. Both power run block, pull, trap and
counter. Fields, Powell and Alexander made the right side of the Jet
line the best I have ever seen.)

2. Namath Era
3. Current Line
4. Testiverde Era
5. O'Briend Era


OK...lemme have it....


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 1:42 pm
From: Grinch


On Dec 10, 3:08 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> It would seem as if the Jets have had some very good offensive lines.
> Especially at center.  Here are five of their starting lines from past
> QB eras.  Which one ranks as the best over all ???
>
> Joe Namath era (1968)
>
> LT: Winston Hill

One of the great injustices is that Hill isn't in the HoF. Eight
times Pro Bowler, including four straight in the combined league after
the merger, four times 1st team All AFC.

The price of spending the last half of his career on one crappy team
after another.

> LG: Bob Talamini
> C: John Schmidt
> RG: Dave Herman
> RT: Sam Walton
>
> Richard Todd era (1982)
>
> LT: Chris Ward
> LG: Stan Waldemore
> C: Joe Fields
> RG: Dan Alexander
> RT: Marven Powell
>
> Ken Obrien Ear (1986)
>
> LT: Jim Sweeney (moved to center later in the era)
> LG: Ted Banker
> C: Joe Fields
> RG: Dan Alexander
> RT: Reggie McElroy
>
> Vinny Testeverde Era (1998)
>
> LT: Jumbo
> LG: Todd Burger
> C: Mawae
> RG: Matt O'Dwier
> RT: Jason Fabini
> (Randy Thomas also part of this era)
>
> Sanches Era (current)
>
> LT: D'brickashaw Ferguson
> LG: Matt Slauson
> C: Nick Mangold
> RG: Braodnon Moore
> RT: Damian Woody
>
> IMOH... Of all of those starting units, I rank them as follows.  And,
> NO, I NO NOT have to rank the Namath era first because of the
> Superbowl and Winston Hill
>
> 1. Todd Era  (best over all starting the line the Jets ever had.  The
> could pass block VERY well.  Both power run block, pull, trap and
> counter.  Fields, Powell and Alexander made the right side of the Jet
> line the best I have ever seen.)
>
> 2. Namath Era
> 3. Current Line
> 4. Testiverde Era
> 5. O'Briend Era
>
> OK...lemme have it....

OK, take this:

IMHO you're right. Powell and Ward were the true proverbial bookends,
and Fields could really play center.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 3:36 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 10, 4:42 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 3:08 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > It would seem as if the Jets have had some very good offensive lines.
> > Especially at center.  Here are five of their starting lines from past
> > QB eras.  Which one ranks as the best over all ???
>
> > Joe Namath era (1968)
>
> > LT: Winston Hill
>
> One of the great injustices is that Hill isn't in the HoF.  Eight
> times Pro Bowler, including four straight in the combined league after
> the merger, four times 1st team All AFC.
>
> The price of spending the last half of his career on one crappy team
> after another.
>
>
>
>
>
> > LG: Bob Talamini
> > C: John Schmidt
> > RG: Dave Herman
> > RT: Sam Walton
>
> > Richard Todd era (1982)
>
> > LT: Chris Ward
> > LG: Stan Waldemore
> > C: Joe Fields
> > RG: Dan Alexander
> > RT: Marven Powell
>
> > Ken Obrien Ear (1986)
>
> > LT: Jim Sweeney (moved to center later in the era)
> > LG: Ted Banker
> > C: Joe Fields
> > RG: Dan Alexander
> > RT: Reggie McElroy
>
> > Vinny Testeverde Era (1998)
>
> > LT: Jumbo
> > LG: Todd Burger
> > C: Mawae
> > RG: Matt O'Dwier
> > RT: Jason Fabini
> > (Randy Thomas also part of this era)
>
> > Sanches Era (current)
>
> > LT: D'brickashaw Ferguson
> > LG: Matt Slauson
> > C: Nick Mangold
> > RG: Braodnon Moore
> > RT: Damian Woody
>
> > IMOH... Of all of those starting units, I rank them as follows.  And,
> > NO, I NO NOT have to rank the Namath era first because of the
> > Superbowl and Winston Hill
>
> > 1. Todd Era  (best over all starting the line the Jets ever had.  The
> > could pass block VERY well.  Both power run block, pull, trap and
> > counter.  Fields, Powell and Alexander made the right side of the Jet
> > line the best I have ever seen.)
>
> > 2. Namath Era
> > 3. Current Line
> > 4. Testiverde Era
> > 5. O'Briend Era
>
> > OK...lemme have it....
>
> OK, take this:
>
> IMHO you're right. Powell and Ward were the true proverbial bookends,
> and Fields could really play center.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

some interesting stuff to consider about the usually malligned 0-lines
during the obrien era... many felt that the line had a hard time of it
no matter how good the quality because O'Brien could not move. The
management and coaching did try to build a pass blocking line around
him with draft picks like Mike Haight, Dava Cadagan and Jeff
Criswell. Haight never lived up to expectations, Cadagan was always
out due to injury and Crisswell took off as soon as he learned to stop
jumping off sides. at any rate... some felt that no line would ever
look good with obrien holding on to the ball and waiting to get his
head stoved in the same spot each and every time


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 8:35 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<5f114226-1679-4d00-9cd2-1351db92ba82@v17g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:

> On Dec 10, 3:08�pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > It would seem as if the Jets have had some very good offensive lines.
> > Especially at center. �Here are five of their starting lines from past
> > QB eras. �Which one ranks as the best over all ???
> >
> > Joe Namath era (1968)
> >
> > LT: Winston Hill
>
> One of the great injustices is that Hill isn't in the HoF. Eight
> times Pro Bowler, including four straight in the combined league after
> the merger, four times 1st team All AFC.
>
> The price of spending the last half of his career on one crappy team
> after another.
>
> > LG: Bob Talamini
> > C: John Schmidt
> > RG: Dave Herman
> > RT: Sam Walton
> >
> > Richard Todd era (1982)
> >
> > LT: Chris Ward
> > LG: Stan Waldemore
> > C: Joe Fields
> > RG: Dan Alexander
> > RT: Marven Powell
> >
> > Ken Obrien Ear (1986)
> >
> > LT: Jim Sweeney (moved to center later in the era)
> > LG: Ted Banker
> > C: Joe Fields
> > RG: Dan Alexander
> > RT: Reggie McElroy
> >
> > Vinny Testeverde Era (1998)
> >
> > LT: Jumbo
> > LG: Todd Burger
> > C: Mawae
> > RG: Matt O'Dwier
> > RT: Jason Fabini
> > (Randy Thomas also part of this era)
> >
> > Sanches Era (current)
> >
> > LT: D'brickashaw Ferguson
> > LG: Matt Slauson
> > C: Nick Mangold
> > RG: Braodnon Moore
> > RT: Damian Woody
> >
> > IMOH... Of all of those starting units, I rank them as follows. �And,
> > NO, I NO NOT have to rank the Namath era first because of the
> > Superbowl and Winston Hill
> >
> > 1. Todd Era �(best over all starting the line the Jets ever had. �The
> > could pass block VERY well. �Both power run block, pull, trap and
> > counter. �Fields, Powell and Alexander made the right side of the Jet
> > line the best I have ever seen.)
> >
> > 2. Namath Era
> > 3. Current Line
> > 4. Testiverde Era
> > 5. O'Briend Era
> >
> > OK...lemme have it....
>
> OK, take this:
>
> IMHO you're right. Powell and Ward were the true proverbial bookends,
> and Fields could really play center.

Grinch, I always felt that Dave Herman was the guy who should get
something in the hall for the job he done on Bubba. A RG who moved to
Tackle to tackle the monster. Now, there was a player.

harlan

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Punish Pratt
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ce8a203b81ab455f?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 2:39 pm
From: "JKConey"

"MuahMan" <muahman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:357a52a2-d1d7-4faf-afe7-b1c5240fc14a@b25g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 8, 11:12 am, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> No. I have these three Patriots World Championship DVDs to watch as
> well.


You sure do... hope they keep you warm under the covers at night when
you're alone.


www.myconeyislandmemories.com


==============================================================================
TOPIC: In respect of Don Meredith
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1969db4fa54fb88d?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 2:42 pm
From: "JKConey"

"Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eb6b1adf-4632-498f-9677-f43772fa83cf@21g2000prv.googlegroups.com...
> says the troll visiting another team's newsgroup. LOL. GFY. Trying
> to figure out which group is more stupid... Pats trolls hjere or
> Dolphins trolls here? Got it... easy... Dolphins trolls by a long
> shot. The irony is that our resident Pats troll with the low IQ
> lives... you guessed it... in south Florida.


Seriously? Pratt's in Florida serving the seniors hamburgers and fries?
Now I know why he hates NYers! I just sold my dads condo down there because
we can't stand the people. It's the worst of the worst group of folks.

--

www.myconeyislandmemories.com

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:44 pm
From: Tutor


On Dec 10, 5:42 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:eb6b1adf-4632-498f-9677-f43772fa83cf@21g2000prv.googlegroups.com...
>
> > says the troll visiting another team's newsgroup.  LOL.  GFY.  Trying
> > to figure out which group is more stupid...  Pats trolls hjere or
> > Dolphins trolls here? Got it... easy... Dolphins trolls by a long
> > shot.  The irony is that our resident Pats troll with the low IQ
> > lives... you guessed it... in south Florida.
>
>   Seriously? Pratt's in Florida serving the seniors hamburgers and fries?
> Now I know why he hates NYers! I just sold my dads condo down there because
> we can't stand the people. It's the worst of the worst group of folks.
>
> --
>
> www.myconeyislandmemories.com

he sells discounted hearing aid batteries


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 9:01 pm
From: "JKConey"

"Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3071d8c6-29d2-4142-aece-8cc180d3e801@y31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 10, 5:42 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:eb6b1adf-4632-498f-9677-f43772fa83cf@21g2000prv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > says the troll visiting another team's newsgroup. LOL. GFY. Trying
>> > to figure out which group is more stupid... Pats trolls hjere or
>> > Dolphins trolls here? Got it... easy... Dolphins trolls by a long
>> > shot. The irony is that our resident Pats troll with the low IQ
>> > lives... you guessed it... in south Florida.
>>
>> Seriously? Pratt's in Florida serving the seniors hamburgers and fries?
>> Now I know why he hates NYers! I just sold my dads condo down there
>> because
>> we can't stand the people. It's the worst of the worst group of folks.
>>
>> --
>>
>> www.myconeyislandmemories.com
>
> he sells discounted hearing aid batteries


What? Tap tap... WHAT?

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 2:51 pm
From: "JKConey"


OK, although personally I would have gone for it, but I can understand
why he punted on 4th and 1 with 4 minutes to go in the game. But why didn't
he take the short FG with 32 secs left in the game, and then onside kick,
and then a coup eplays before a hail mary for the possible win? Isn't it
like he just accepted the loss by insisting on getting that TD as time ran
out? Can anyone explain this, and how no one held his feet to the fire?

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 5:16 pm
From: marcman


On Dec 10, 5:51 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>    OK, although personally I would have gone for it, but I can understand
> why he punted on 4th and 1 with 4 minutes to go in the game. But why didn't
> he take the short FG with 32 secs left in the game, and then onside kick,
> and then a  coup eplays before a hail mary for the possible win? Isn't it
> like he just accepted the loss by insisting on getting that TD as time ran
> out? Can anyone explain this, and how no one held his feet to the fire?
>
> --
>
> www.myconeyislandmemories.com

Pffft, this one's easy . . . all that unfolded as it did because I had
Indy -4.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 9:01 pm
From: "JKConey"

"marcman" <marcmanstudios@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ad78606a-43ef-420b-884e-4905cf987a55@l8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 10, 5:51 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> OK, although personally I would have gone for it, but I can understand
>> why he punted on 4th and 1 with 4 minutes to go in the game. But why
>> didn't
>> he take the short FG with 32 secs left in the game, and then onside kick,
>> and then a coup eplays before a hail mary for the possible win? Isn't it
>> like he just accepted the loss by insisting on getting that TD as time
>> ran
>> out? Can anyone explain this, and how no one held his feet to the fire?
>>
>> --
>>
>> www.myconeyislandmemories.com
>
> Pffft, this one's easy . . . all that unfolded as it did because I had
> Indy -4.


I was thinking that at the time, but seriously, what the hell was he
thinking? Isn't he supposed to be a genius?


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 8:21 pm
From: DIet Plan <1of9@kaxy.com>


.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 9:04 pm
From: "JKConey"

"DIet Plan" <1of9@kaxy.com> wrote in message
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> .


You're not funny or clever, or even an amusing troll. Go away already
kid.

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Today's topics:

* Same shit different year - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d6239cb12d964571?hl=en
* Alexi Grewal: worst teammate ever - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cab4be86af73cf15?hl=en
* Peruvian candies are so last decade - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7389b81dcbd52859?hl=en
* Can't make this up : - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9316b1844886d071?hl=en
* ping ryan - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bc0373bc75ccac0d?hl=en
* Tyler Update? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1c44054997225e7f?hl=en
* Sweater Meat - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/107acd5389d77061?hl=en
* HCT - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f30c312a6c989d06?hl=en
* Cipollini: "Cycling is pussified" - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5d8b16c0a81396a0?hl=en
* Jonathan Page - Turn the Page on this Book - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Liz Hatch probably doesn't listen to.... - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Same shit different year
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 11:57 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 12/9/2010 8:00 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 12/9/2010 9:00 PM, Fred Fredburger wrote:
>> On 12/9/2010 10:44 AM, Beloved Fred No. 1 wrote:
>>> drmofe wrote:
>>>>> I was going to post in this thread but I couldn't think of a good
>>>>> throwaway line.
>>>
>>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>>> Anything with the word "trains" in it would be good.
>>>
>>> That's JFT's cue.
>>
>> A highly underrated thread.
>
> Remember, when they come for your guns its important to have two.
> That way you can give them one and still have one in reserve.
>
> Unless they know you post here, then they'll know you own two so
> you should probably pick up a third. That would be acceptable.
>
> Fred Flintstein

It's all mute (sic) since Obama took all our guns away in 2008.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 12:02 am
From: Fred Fredburger


On 12/9/2010 11:57 PM, Fred Fredburger wrote:
> On 12/9/2010 8:00 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>> On 12/9/2010 9:00 PM, Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>> On 12/9/2010 10:44 AM, Beloved Fred No. 1 wrote:
>>>> drmofe wrote:
>>>>>> I was going to post in this thread but I couldn't think of a good
>>>>>> throwaway line.
>>>>
>>>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>>>> Anything with the word "trains" in it would be good.
>>>>
>>>> That's JFT's cue.
>>>
>>> A highly underrated thread.
>>
>> Remember, when they come for your guns its important to have two.
>> That way you can give them one and still have one in reserve.
>>
>> Unless they know you post here, then they'll know you own two so
>> you should probably pick up a third. That would be acceptable.
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> It's all mute (sic) since Obama took all our guns away in 2008.

If you don't remember, this was shortly after Gwen Ifill raped Sarah
Palin on national TV.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 5:43 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Fred Flintstein wrote:
> Remember, when they come for your guns its important to have two.
> That way you can give them one and still have one in reserve.
>
> Unless they know you post here, then they'll know you own two so
> you should probably pick up a third. That would be acceptable.

The third one is particularly handy if you miss the caribou with the
first two.

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TOPIC: Alexi Grewal: worst teammate ever
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cab4be86af73cf15?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 5:56 am
From: Anton Berlin


On Dec 9, 8:33 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 9, 5:55 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Sorry Ryan but this subject line makes you look like a putz.  If a guy
> > holds support from a teammate and then drops out or gets 18th then
> > he's a selfish fucking cunt and deserves the worst.
>
> > But if a guy does these things believing he can win and then does it -
> > that makes him a god.
>
> > Because anyone that's got to that level will tell you when the race
> > starts - it's every man for himself.
>
> > (of course this is different in stage racing but one day races you're
> > on your own)
>
> On Dec 9, 5:55 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry Ryan but this subject line makes you look like a putz.  If a guy
> > holds support from a teammate and then drops out or gets 18th then
> > he's a selfish fucking cunt and deserves the worst.
>
> > But if a guy does these things believing he can win and then does it -
> > that makes him a god.
>
> > Because anyone that's got to that level will tell you when the race
> > starts - it's every man for himself.
>
> > (of course this is different in stage racing but one day races you're
> > on your own)
>
> I said "worst teammate," not "worst racer." As you note, Grewal
> achieved cycling greatness that day.
>
> But he took an awful risk. He relied on being able to outsprint Bauer
> heads-up, but he got away with it. As he notes, the good-teammate plan
> would have meant delivering Kiefel and Phinney to the finish, with
> extremely good odds for the USA.
>
> The meta-problem at the Olympics and Worlds is that national "teams"
> are largely a crock, featuring minimal functional loyalties (as
> opposed to pro teams, where the personal and financial ties are
> usually stronger). Even club teams are more of a real team.

Exactly ! How is anyone (Alexi especially) expected to have
allegiance to guys he barely rode with? Just because they all have
the same super gay stars and stripes jersey on?

This is the exact same problem that haunted the US 100k teams for the
80s and 90s. The ten speed drive boys - working as friends that rode
together often - typically went 4-8 minutes faster than the ad hoc
teams the coaches threw together again and again (the definition of
insanity) and sent to international events.

Alexi had one allegiance that day and that was to work for himself.
Anyone that's won eventually second guesses (often much later in
life ) as much as the guys that got second or sixteenth.

Fuck Davis Phinney - if he didn't have the sense to bring enough food
and drink or try to gain advantage be wearing a skinsuit with only 1
pocket then he deserves the place he got.

I'll venture this - in a three up sprint with Phinney, Bauer and
Grewal - Grewal still could win because he would be smart enough to
take advantage of those 2 marking each other and would enter the end
zone untouched.

From reading his blogs and news stories it's clear Alexi (as a human)
is going through a stage where he's trying to rationalize his life,
justify or pardon his past and have it all make sense.

That day in 1984 he inspired 10s of thousands to ride and put in the
miles (me included) and that vision kept me riding many times for many
years.

If you or even he wants to piss on that candy now - well OK that's
everyone's right - but it doesn't change the fact that for years his
ride inspired every loner, every misfit and every one that wanted to
do something for themselves and prove to the world and lastly the
internal doubts we all have that they have value and can do something
incredible.

I don't know him, never raced against him but Alexi Grewal is the
greatest "teammate" ever because at 23 he got it right.

The race is with ourselves. The things we do only mark our souls. And
no one really keeps our score but ourselves.

And independent fuckers like Henry Chang, Magilla, Alexi and maybe
Anton make this world 100x better than a million ass grabbing glad
handing yes-men team players.

I am in the business world and I can tell you for a fact that the
"teammates" and "team players" are the most detestable untrustworthy
cunts out there.

So in the end - maybe your subject line isn't so bad - calling someone
like Alexi "the worst teammate ever" is about the best damn compliment
one can make.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:09 am
From: Ryan Cousineau


On Dec 10, 5:56 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 9, 8:33 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Dec 9, 5:55 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Sorry Ryan but this subject line makes you look like a putz.  If a guy
> > > holds support from a teammate and then drops out or gets 18th then
> > > he's a selfish fucking cunt and deserves the worst.
>
> > > But if a guy does these things believing he can win and then does it -
> > > that makes him a god.
>
> > I said "worst teammate," not "worst racer." As you note, Grewal
> > achieved cycling greatness that day.
>
> > But he took an awful risk. He relied on being able to outsprint Bauer
> > heads-up, but he got away with it. As he notes, the good-teammate plan
> > would have meant delivering Kiefel and Phinney to the finish, with
> > extremely good odds for the USA.
>
> > The meta-problem at the Olympics and Worlds is that national "teams"
> > are largely a crock, featuring minimal functional loyalties (as
> > opposed to pro teams, where the personal and financial ties are
> > usually stronger). Even club teams are more of a real team.
>
> Exactly !  How is anyone (Alexi especially) expected to have
> allegiance to guys he barely rode with?  Just because they all have
> the same super gay stars and stripes jersey on?

There's merit to this.

> This is the exact same problem that haunted the US 100k teams for the
> 80s and 90s.  The ten speed drive boys - working as friends that rode
> together often - typically went 4-8 minutes faster than the ad hoc
> teams the coaches threw together again and again (the definition of
> insanity)  and sent to international events.

I'm just boggling here at the idea that anyone cares about 100k TTTs
outside of England.

> Alexi had one allegiance that day and that was to work for himself.
> Anyone that's won eventually second guesses (often much later in
> life ) as much as the guys that got second or sixteenth.
>
> Fuck Davis Phinney - if he didn't have the sense to bring enough food
> and drink or try to gain advantage be wearing a skinsuit with only 1
> pocket then he deserves the place he got.

> I'll venture this - in a three up sprint with Phinney, Bauer and
> Grewal - Grewal still could win because he would be smart enough to
> take advantage of those 2 marking each other and would enter the end
> zone untouched.

Maybe. On the day, he strived to make them work each other, while he
sat on breaks until Bauer finally started stretching him. That wasn't
the bad-teammate part, that was pretty much where he should have been.

> From reading his blogs and news stories it's clear Alexi (as a human)
> is going through a stage where he's trying to rationalize his life,
> justify or pardon his past and have it all make sense.

I think he's trying to get something to do. Reading it, you realize
he's got no money, can hardly find work, and they didn't even bring
the big new Sponsored Race to his preferred town. None of that is a
knock on Grewal, but I will use it as a whip for my favorite
hobbyhorse: pro bike racing is a stupid career.

> That day in 1984 he inspired 10s of thousands to ride and put in the
> miles (me included) and that vision kept me riding many times for many
> years.

I'm going to anonymously quote a friend of mine: "When Grewal made his
final move and pipped Bauer at the finish, it was the closest I've
ever come to putting something through a TV Elvis-style."

Let's just say that Canada was not inspired.

> If you or even he wants to piss on that candy now - well OK that's
> everyone's right - but it doesn't change the fact that for years his
> ride inspired every loner, every misfit and every one that wanted to
> do something for themselves and prove to the world and lastly the
> internal doubts we all have that they have value and can do something
> incredible.

Let's be clear: bike racing isn't real. Grewal didn't steal penicillin
from children; he "stole" a gold medal from a "teammate" who went on
to live a happy life (and great pro career) regardless. Indeed, I'll
go so far as to suggest that had Grewal not medaled, he would have
been out of cycling much sooner, and likely ended up as a carpenter
much earlier, and likely have sufficiently more practice and so much
longer of a client list that today he wouldn't have to be content with
being a month ahead on the rent and scavenging insoles among the
collection of his dead friend.

We're agreeing, really, about all of this: the team structure at these
events is notoriously loose, to the point that "Ted" publishes an
annual list of pro teammates at the Worlds, since that is noteworthy
information when watching how the race develops.

> I don't know him, never raced against him but Alexi Grewal is the
> greatest "teammate" ever because at 23 he got it right.
>
> The race is with ourselves.  The things we do only mark our souls. And
> no one really keeps our score but ourselves.

I'm more simplistic than that: I think the meaning of Grewal's story
is that bike racing is fascinating, and the race doesn't always go to
the swift, nor the battle to the strong (but that's the way to
bet...).

> So in the end - maybe your subject line isn't so bad - calling someone
> like Alexi "the worst teammate ever" is about the best damn compliment
> one can make.

1) Yay! I get the gold medal in Usenet Arguing! I feel like Loretta
Claiborne!

2) My subject line was a bit facetious (or at least putting the most
sensationalist light on Grewal's cool story), but if there was one
"worst teammate" moment that stood out, it was him withholding food
from Phinney at the end. He didn't have to hand it over, and he
understood the effect, but in terms of sportsmanship, we've seen
rivals share food and drink before. And note that Grewal admits to
having a secret feed zone just for himself, too. He made a (post-hoc
justifiable) decision to profoundly screw Phinney in that moment,
though Phinney unwittingly handed Grewal the screwdriver when he put
on a skinsuit.

It's just a great story, really.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 8:07 am
From: MagillaGorilla


Ryan Cousineau wrote:

> In his own, awesome words:
>
> http://www.alexigrewal.com/index.php/blog/104-the-skinsuit-aka-the-olympics-in-la
>
> " I was not thinking what I could do to help Davis, I was thinking how
> I could use the situation to work all my rivals against each other"
>
> "Phinney was wearing a skin suit.... The skinsuit was information I
> filed away. Only one pocket was sewn into it and we faced a hot,
> hilly two hundred kilometer race. One feed zone per lap on a
> downhill, right near the start finish, wearing a skin suit with one
> pocket was to rely on the unreliable."
>
> "Two laps to go Davis asks me for food. I lied, said I don�t have
> any, I justified it in my mind by thinking I might need it myself."
>

The 1984 Olympics was not only all-amateur, but a boycotted Games. Winning it was
meaningless. After Grewal won his gold medal he got all Bill Johnson about it.
That explains why he believes in God and thinks he's going to race Quiznos. Both
are delusions.

Although I am grateful he beat Phinney because had he won the gold medal him and
Connie would be wearing those meaningless medallions to sleep every night and still
talking about them everytime someone comes to interview them about their son.

Okay, I'm ready for you, Carl.

Magilla

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 11:16 am
From: Anton Berlin

> It's just a great story, really.

whatever way it evolves - it's a great story


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 12:07 pm
From: MagillaGorilla


"Kurgan. presented by Gringioni." wrote:

> On Dec 8, 3:58�pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I remind you this reinforces my "amateur bike racing is awesome"
> > theory, since in 1984 this was an amateurs-only race.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I was too greedy (regarding teamwork) in two races and I regret it
> both times. It didn't work out.
>
> It's better to work with or for your teamates.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

The purpose of teammates is to get chicks, get water bottles, and to
keep their mouth shut when the doping authorities come knockin.' Well,
at least according to Lance, that is.

Magilla


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TOPIC: Peruvian candies are so last decade
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 5:59 am
From: Anton Berlin


On Dec 8, 6:46 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/09/sports/cycling/09cycling.html
>
> Contador, clenbuterol, decision soon, blah blah blah.  You
> know all that stuff.  I didn't know this:
>
>   One of those cases involved the French tennis player Richard
>   Gasquet, who successfully appealed a sanction for cocaine use
>   after testing positive for it in 2009. Gasquet had claimed that he
>   had inadvertently ingested cocaine when he kissed a waitress
>   who had just used the drug. Hours later, he tested positive for the
>   banned substance.
>   Analyses on hair samples of Gasquet and the waitress ended up
>   saving him from a two-year ban. His hair showed no evidence of
>   habitual cocaine use, while hers did. He served only a
>   two-and-a-half-month ban.
>
> Richard Gasquet may be even more awesome than
> Anton and his crazy girlfriend.  This man knows how to
> party.  And in cycling we have ... Jan Ullrich driving his
> car into a bike rack?  What do we have to do to get
> Richard Gasquet onto a bike?  Beyond LIVEDRUNK,
> it's time for RIDEHIGH.
>
> Fredmaster of the Universe Ben

LOL - how'd she end up crazy? Or are you talking about the self-
medicating nurse I used to date?

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TOPIC: Can't make this up :
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:12 am
From: Ryan Cousineau


On Dec 9, 12:48 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 9, 11:16 am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/belgian-amateur-champion-receives-one...
>
> > As an active anti-doping advocate, he had instigated the doping
> > controls performed by the Flemish Community at the Belgian
> > Championships of the WAOD amateur cycling federation. But after he'd
> > won his age group event, he tested positive for Methylhexanamine.
>
> > ....
>
> > Even the Belgian agency for food safety supports his argument that the
> > Methylhexanamine came from a supplement by the name of Crack. "I
> > especially looked for a safe supplement and my pharmacist said that
> > Crack did not contain any doping," said Taelman. "How can I, along
> > with thousands of recreational sportsmen, know that Crack contains
> > Methylhexanamine?"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylhexanamine

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Thanks for posting this, though.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:55 am
From: MagillaGorilla


Amit Ghosh wrote:

> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/belgian-amateur-champion-receives-one-year-ban
>
> As an active anti-doping advocate, he had instigated the doping
> controls performed by the Flemish Community at the Belgian
> Championships of the WAOD amateur cycling federation. But after he'd
> won his age group event, he tested positive for Methylhexanamine.
>
> ....
>
> Even the Belgian agency for food safety supports his argument that the
> Methylhexanamine came from a supplement by the name of Crack. "I
> especially looked for a safe supplement and my pharmacist said that
> Crack did not contain any doping," said Taelman. "How can I, along
> with thousands of recreational sportsmen, know that Crack contains
> Methylhexanamine?"

The operative word is dope.

Magilla

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TOPIC: ping ryan
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bc0373bc75ccac0d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:14 am
From: Ryan Cousineau


On Dec 8, 10:34 am, "Beloved Fred No. 1" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> > Every time you click on one of those abortions of
> > a "data" "visualization" "report" on that Yellowfin page,
> > Robert Chung kills a kitten.
>
> > Won't somebody please think of the kittens?
>
> I think they're Australian so its more likely to be the silence of the
> lambs.

Actually, somebody kills a bunny rabbit, but in Oz, they do that even
if you don't click on the Yellowfin links.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:40 am
From: RicodJour


On Dec 10, 10:14 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 10:34 am, "Beloved Fred No. 1" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> > Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>
> > > Every time you click on one of those abortions of
> > > a "data" "visualization" "report" on that Yellowfin page,
> > > Robert Chung kills a kitten.
>
> > > Won't somebody please think of the kittens?
>
> > I think they're Australian so its more likely to be the silence of the
> > lambs.
>
> Actually, somebody kills a bunny rabbit, but in Oz, they do that even
> if you don't click on the Yellowfin links.

In Japan they just kill the Yellowfin - and eat it.

R


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 9:19 am
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<7c810ee1-4fe6-4ba2-a1d7-4bbef2350353@z26g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 8, 10:34 am, "Beloved Fred No. 1" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> > Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> > > Every time you click on one of those abortions of
> > > a "data" "visualization" "report" on that Yellowfin page,
> > > Robert Chung kills a kitten.
> >
> > > Won't somebody please think of the kittens?
> >
> > I think they're Australian so its more likely to be the silence of the
> > lambs.
>
> Actually, somebody kills a bunny rabbit, but in Oz, they do that even
> if you don't click on the Yellowfin links.

Meanwhile in rbt

<idh3u2$kdg$1@news.eternal-september.org>

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: Tyler Update?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1c44054997225e7f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:45 am
From: MagillaGorilla


Frank Drackman wrote:

> <photoshoppper@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1155064407.478416.225530@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Frank Drackman wrote:
> >> I know that lately bike racing discussion has pretty much been 24 hours
> >> of
> >> Floyd updates but has anyone heard any Tyler updates? A few weeks ago he
> >> said that his short-term goal was to race for the U.S. team at the
> >> Worlds,
> >> and that he would have something to announce soon. I was shocked that
> >> any
> >> domestic team would sign him but he must have had positive conversations
> >> with some teams. Was he just being overly optimistic?
> >
> > What D3 team would not want him? I think you underestimate a sponsor's
> > desire for media hits (mentions in the press).
> >
>
> I understand the value of media hits but the belief that any mention, even
> negative, is a good thing is an urban legend. There is a niche for some
> aggressive companies targeting customers who define themselves as
> nonconformist to use the outlaw image but companies with high brand
> recognition who market to a varied group of consumers are usually very
> protective of their brand.


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TOPIC: Sweater Meat
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/107acd5389d77061?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:51 am
From: MagillaGorilla


w

RicodJour wrote:

> On Jun 17, 10:36�am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > You douchebags, she looks like every other cheap whore I saw in
> > Bratislava shortly after the wall came down. �Only guys that couldn't
> > score in Prague went searching for gash in Slovakia and the really
> > desperate ended up in Bulgaria where the women were easy but hard to
> > beat at arm wrestling.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNVit7cesj8
>
> R


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TOPIC: HCT
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f30c312a6c989d06?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:58 am
From: MagillaGorilla


steve wrote:

> I recently had routine blood tests done. Along with a lot of cryptic
> abbreviations is one HCT. Is this the same thing that gets racers in
> trouble if it is too high?
>
> No mine isn't that high.
> Thanks

HCT = hematocrit, where crit has nothing to do with criterium.

Tell your doctor there's a little something in it for him if he can jack
your number up to 60.

Magilla


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TOPIC: Cipollini: "Cycling is pussified"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5d8b16c0a81396a0?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:59 am
From: MagillaGorilla


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cipollini-decries-modern-cyclings-lack-of-machismo

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 9:37 am
From: Zenon


On Dec 10, 7:59 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cipollini-decries-modern-cyclings-lac...

.
.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/photos/cipollini-decries-modern-cyclings-lack-of-machismo/151426
.
.
You know that tall swallows and likes it.
.
.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 9:39 am
From: Zenon


On Dec 10, 7:59 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cipollini-decries-modern-cyclings-lac...


.
.
Mafia? http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/photos/cipollini-decries-modern-cyclings-lack-of-machismo/149801
.
.
Oh yeah, this looks like mafia.
.
.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 9:08 am
From: Michael Press


In article <4D024E61.16DA8B03@sandiegozoo.com>,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cipollini-decries-modern-cyclings-lack-of-machismo

So, Cipollini did not dope. That is good to know.

--
Michael Press


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 11:57 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Dec 10, 10:59 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cipollini-decries-modern-cyclings-lac...

is he now the italian don cherry ?

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TOPIC: Jonathan Page - Turn the Page on this Book
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/122ff1a21f2b09d4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 8:16 am
From: MagillaGorilla


Page would have won this race had he started 5 minutes ahead of the rest
of the field. He and wife should file a protest with the officials.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/uci-cyclo-cross-world-cup-3-cdm-1/elite-men/results

21 Jonathan Page (USA) Planet Bike 0:04:54


Magilla


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TOPIC: Liz Hatch probably doesn't listen to....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c5bb1203cf0b6dde?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 9:31 am
From: Zenon


Liz Hatch probably doesn't listen to Seasick Steve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoPNC3ebYQ

What a total loser.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:17 am
From: MagillaGorilla


Zenon wrote:

> Liz Hatch probably doesn't listen to Seasick Steve.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoPNC3ebYQ
>
> What a total loser.

What the fuck is this - Arkansas' answer to George Thorogood?

Magilla

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