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TOPIC: Special note: Dustin Keller
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 7:24 pm
From: graybeard
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:05:32 -0800 (PST) Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Below average blocker. Cuts off routes and drops almost everything
>that should be caught. I am getting sick of him in a hurry.
Speaking of tight ends, has Hartsock ever contributed anything to this
team other than a knack for committing stupid penalties, usually at the
worst times? He has certainly cost the Jets far more in lost penalty
yardage than he has helped them to gain.
--
graybeard
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 8:43 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:05:32 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Below average blocker. Cuts off routes and drops almost everything
>that should be caught. I am getting sick of him in a hurry.
He's actually been blocking much better this year, and was having a nice season, until
opposing DCs adjusted to how Schott used him. Of course, Schott hasn't answered.
Again, as with Sanchez & others, if a talented player is making mistakes, not executing,
etc, when do you stop blaming each individual player, and realize something systemic is
going on... & start looking at the guy that designed the system, and is supposed to
implement it?
I thought the following quote kinda says it all...
"Keller also had two costly drops in the final 15 minutes. The first came on a short
dump-off on a 1st-and 10-from the Jets' 30. Then on third down, Keller seemed to find an
opening down the left side but couldn't stop his momentum in time to reach back for a
Sanchez throw that was behind him but catchable. Had Keller come up with that ball, the
Jets would have had a 1st-and-10 inside the Dolphins' 40 with 3:30 left to play.
"It's just a play that we didn't get enough reps of [in practice]," Keller said. "I don't
think we threw that enough. It came down to crunch time and we weren't in synch. He threw
a pretty good ball, it's just I wasn't ready for it." "
Not enough reps in practice. I guess the players decided for themselves, not to practice
that play. To me, I suspect with all the presnap motion, which fools nobody, too much
time is wasted practicing that, as opposed to actually practicing what happens AFTER the
snap... the plays themselves.
The whole offense looks confused & uncoordinated.
But, I guess it's up to the players themselves, to coordinate the offense, in the view of
many here.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 8:54 pm
From: Tutor
On Dec 12, 11:43 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:05:32 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Below average blocker. Cuts off routes and drops almost everything
> >that should be caught. I am getting sick of him in a hurry.
>
> He's actually been blocking much better this year, and was having a nice season, until
> opposing DCs adjusted to how Schott used him. Of course, Schott hasn't answered.
> Again, as with Sanchez & others, if a talented player is making mistakes, not executing,
> etc, when do you stop blaming each individual player, and realize something systemic is
> going on... & start looking at the guy that designed the system, and is supposed to
> implement it?
> I thought the following quote kinda says it all...
>
> "Keller also had two costly drops in the final 15 minutes. The first came on a short
> dump-off on a 1st-and 10-from the Jets' 30. Then on third down, Keller seemed to find an
> opening down the left side but couldn't stop his momentum in time to reach back for a
> Sanchez throw that was behind him but catchable. Had Keller come up with that ball, the
> Jets would have had a 1st-and-10 inside the Dolphins' 40 with 3:30 left to play.
>
> "It's just a play that we didn't get enough reps of [in practice]," Keller said. "I don't
> think we threw that enough. It came down to crunch time and we weren't in synch. He threw
> a pretty good ball, it's just I wasn't ready for it." "
>
> Not enough reps in practice. I guess the players decided for themselves, not to practice
> that play. To me, I suspect with all the presnap motion, which fools nobody, too much
> time is wasted practicing that, as opposed to actually practicing what happens AFTER the
> snap... the plays themselves.
> The whole offense looks confused & uncoordinated.
> But, I guess it's up to the players themselves, to coordinate the offense, in the view of
> many here.
You are hell bent on an all or nothing approach. BuRf, it's not a
mater of "is it Schott OR is it the players?" Please stop presenting
it as such. Schott sucks but Keller frucking drops everything and he
has been dropping everything since the bye week. He is just not very
good. His blocking has imnproved? Oh really? Who do you think
miffed on the 2nd Wake sack of Sanchez? Yup, our very own Dustin. I
have to check the DVR but it might have been him on the 1st Wake
sack. Keller has NOT improved much in blocking as far as I can tell.
When are you going to stop excusing players for horrible play? Rex
and Schott don't get them ready mentally or physically. But on the
field, it is the players who can't catch a cold and can't block.
Sanchez has been running for his life for weeks. The run game has
vanished. Unfortunately for Sanchez, the few passes that are actually
on target get dropped and the rest are behind their targets or
overthrown. He has played very poorly of late. Its a total collapse
and yes it starts with the game plan, which I agree sucks, but in no
way should you or anyone excuse these players for their sloppy
terrible play. come on man the players here are stinking up the
place as well as the coaches, especially Rex, doing a piss poor job
managing this team. Maybe Rex should give them extra time off again.
LOL.
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TOPIC: Unprepared
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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 7:25 pm
From: Tutor
On Dec 12, 10:13 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7jrag658tu5tok9hrbfbohq67eep6djpe7@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>on both sides of the ball.
>
> >>Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. Sloppy execution.
> >>Enough blame to be shared by all. Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
> >>Ha.
>
> > The D played fine, Tut.
> > The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>
> > On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
> > We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
> > Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two
> > weeks.
> > But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general
> > approach to offense,
> > and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
> > We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
> > The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
> > If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad
> > moments... well, no
> > need to beat a dead horse.
>
> > I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and
> > looking to blame
> > anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for
> > the O design &
> > playcalling. It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically
> > been the entire
> > season. There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking,
> > but opposing
> > DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>
> > My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. He's not being groomed
> > properly.
>
> How much can be expected of a defense that get's NO help from the offense,
> poor field position and a ton of 3 and outs? For the first time I think Rex
> has some questions about what is, and has been going on with the offense.
> The O line was terrible...but how can guys be expected to block when the D
> knows exactly what to expect? They are so freakin predictbable...and even
> the opponents are saying that...as well as guys like Klecko and other
> commentators. there is absolutely no scheme to the running game at all.
> I'm going to stop here because I have no appetite for all the guys who will
> come back with crap about how great Schott is...this has been happening all
> season long, and what we see now is what we are reaping. Some people are
> just die hard fans, others are actually fans of the game first...and these
> guys do not prepare for the game.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
"all the guys who will come back with crap about how great Schott is"
Nobody... I mean nobody... has ever said that. Not me, not John C..
no one that I can recall. This kind of post is kind of the reason why
some people here react to you the way they do.
== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 8:07 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein
On Dec 12, 10:13 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7jrag658tu5tok9hrbfbohq67eep6djpe7@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>on both sides of the ball.
>
> >>Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. Sloppy execution.
> >>Enough blame to be shared by all. Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
> >>Ha.
>
> > The D played fine, Tut.
> > The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>
> > On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
> > We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
> > Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two
> > weeks.
> > But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general
> > approach to offense,
> > and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
> > We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
> > The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
> > If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad
> > moments... well, no
> > need to beat a dead horse.
>
> > I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and
> > looking to blame
> > anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for
> > the O design &
> > playcalling. It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically
> > been the entire
> > season. There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking,
> > but opposing
> > DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>
> > My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. He's not being groomed
> > properly.
>
> How much can be expected of a defense that get's NO help from the offense,
> poor field position and a ton of 3 and outs? For the first time I think Rex
> has some questions about what is, and has been going on with the offense.
> The O line was terrible...but how can guys be expected to block when the D
> knows exactly what to expect? They are so freakin predictbable...and even
> the opponents are saying that...as well as guys like Klecko and other
> commentators. there is absolutely no scheme to the running game at all.
> I'm going to stop here because I have no appetite for all the guys who will
> come back with crap about how great Schott is...this has been happening all
> season long, and what we see now is what we are reaping. Some people are
> just die hard fans, others are actually fans of the game first...and these
> guys do not prepare for the game.
Wow. When did we ever start hating on other posters in the NG.
== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 8:27 pm
From: Tutor
On Dec 12, 9:47 pm, Johnny Morongo <mireh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 5:06 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >on both sides of the ball.
>
> > >Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. Sloppy execution.
> > >Enough blame to be shared by all. Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
> > >Ha.
>
> > The D played fine, Tut.
> > The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>
> > On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
> > We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
> > Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two weeks.
> > But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general approach to offense,
> > and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
> > We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
> > The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
> > If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad moments... well, no
> > need to beat a dead horse.
>
> > I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and looking to blame
> > anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for the O design &
> > playcalling. It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically been the entire
> > season. There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking, but opposing
> > DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>
> > My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. He's not being groomed properly.
>
> Where to begin?
>
> Start with the D, Rex's brain child. They played great only because
> Henne sucked so badly. Period. Save for a few hustle plays, they
> lucked out because Henne couldn't get anything done and Marshall was
> worse than Keller. THEIR D was about on a par with ours, except for
> Wake, who is the pass rusher we don't have. Rex is not doing a great
> job with them, and throw Pettine in that boat too. And WTF is Taylor
> doing in coverage when he's or one legit pass rusher? If the jets
> could play Henne every week, we MIGHT make a Super Bowl run, but about
> the only QB worse that him in the league right now is Sancho.
>
> The O: I don't believe that it has taken the pro-Schitts (yes, I mean
> you, Tut and JohnC) this long to see how fucked up this infantile play
> calling is. But better late than never.
> I don't remember who it was, but a bunch of guys, in this group, got
> together some six or seven years ago and wrote a very cogent letter to
> Woody detailing how putrid Herm was (along with Cant Hackett). I
> implore whoever was responsible for that "truth to power" missive to
> send one off to Woody (a major disappointment himself, btw) concerning
> Shitt's ineptitude. He's got to go. Until then, I'm putting my
> fandom into deep freeze. What a continued wast of energy.
>
> Benigno is right: Oh the pain!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is how Rex has prepared this team for December football:
Multiple days off after losses, sloppy disorganized preparation for
your most important rival with more than 10 days to prepare. This is
how you prepare for December football? Nice work by Rex. Maybe he
should give them some extra time off before Chicago and Pittsburgh.
Rex has given us a sloppy team that would have trouble beating a
Division 3 team. On the bright side, he is a young HC who can
certainly learn from his mistakes. I hope he does.
== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 8:49 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:39:26 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 8:06�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >on both sides of the ball.
>>
>> >Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. �Sloppy execution.
>> >Enough blame to be shared by all. �Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
>> >Ha.
>>
>> The D played fine, Tut.
>> The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>>
>> On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
>> We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
>> Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two weeks.
>> But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general approach to offense,
>> and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
>> We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
>> The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
>> If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad moments... well, no
>> need to beat a dead horse.
>>
>> I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and looking to blame
>> anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for the O design &
>> playcalling. �It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically been the entire
>> season. �There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking, but opposing
>> DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>>
>> My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. �He's not being groomed properly.
>
>The D did not play fine. They were disorganized. Having 9 men on the
>field cost a time out. But tha's not what you meant by "lack" of
>personnel. The D was assisted by facing a horribly inept offense.
>You saw last week what a good offense does to this over rated defense
>and we've seen team after team shred the defense on 3rd down and take
>a lead late in the game. Haven't you noticed the defensive collapse
>game after game?
I don't know what game you watched. The D played well.
I've noticed that we don't have players that can put pressure on a QB, without blitzing.
Nor players that can cover an inside pass game, while we blitz.
Nor an offense that can score points, & go ahead in a game, thus allowing the D to gamble
more. The zone D is causing more problems, often, than the blitzing.
>
>THe offense is putrid and of course the coaching is to blame as well
>as the players for dropping almost everything that actually made it to
>them. Keller can't catch a cold. Holmes drops a sure TD pass and
>Sanchez hits under 50% of his throws with the bad ones way off the
>mark. Here you see the result when you combine mediocre offensive
>talent and and bad offensive coaching.
It's not mediocre talent on offense... it's that they have no guidance.
== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 8:58 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:43:44 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 8:06�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >on both sides of the ball.
>>
>> >Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. �Sloppy execution.
>> >Enough blame to be shared by all. �Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
>> >Ha.
>>
>> The D played fine, Tut.
>> The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>>
>> On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
>> We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
>> Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two weeks.
>> But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general approach to offense,
>> and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
>> We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
>> The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
>> If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad moments... well, no
>> need to beat a dead horse.
>>
>> I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and looking to blame
>> anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for the O design &
>> playcalling. �It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically been the entire
>> season. �There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking, but opposing
>> DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>>
>> My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. �He's not being groomed properly.
>
>It would be naive to ignore Rex's deficiencies in all of this. Rex
>sanctions the offensive game plan and design. He needs to force it to
>change. Unless you really believe that Schott doesn't report to Rex.
>That would be absurd if true. Now I have no idea the extent of
>Greene's injury but you can bet the farm that the decision to overplay
>LT all this season has been Rex and 100% Rex. You saw it on Hard
>Knocks. Rex is out to prove to the world he was "right" in dumping TJ
>for LT. I think the quote was "I love being right". To ignore the
>detrimental impact of Rex's ego on this team's performance is akin to
>taking a myopic view of what is happening on the Jets. Schott
>sucks...true, but the scarier issue is whether or not Rex will grow up
>as a HC.
We'll disagree on this.
LT is Schott's guy from SD. At one point in the season, when Schott benched Shonn, Rex
didn't know about it, until he was told during the post-game presser.
This O is the same O that was here before Rex got here. It's Schott's O.
What is Rex's problem, is that he thought he could focus on D, and leave the O to Schott
(and the STs to Westhoff).
I still don't know if Rex realizes he's the HC, and as such, needs to be more involved
with the O. I know he had a meeting with Sanchez this week, so maybe he's starting to get
it.
== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:02 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:12:15 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 8:06�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >on both sides of the ball.
>>
>> >Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. �Sloppy execution.
>> >Enough blame to be shared by all. �Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
>> >Ha.
>>
>> The D played fine, Tut.
>> The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>>
>> On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
>> We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
>> Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two weeks.
>> But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general approach to offense,
>> and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
>> We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
>> The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
>> If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad moments... well, no
>> need to beat a dead horse.
>>
>> I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and looking to blame
>> anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for the O design &
>> playcalling. �It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically been the entire
>> season. �There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking, but opposing
>> DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>>
>> My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. �He's not being groomed properly.
>
>agree 100 %. sanchez was late with his reads and gets some of the
>rap, but the offense as a whole was unprepaired and horrendously
>designed. the offensive game plan sucked... the play calling
>sucked... the protection schemes were a joke... the jets have the most
>predictable offense in the league. the defense did play well, but
>chand henne helped a lot in making the jet defense look good. i dont
>know which qb looked worse... henne or sanchez. we have seen sanchez
>play very well and he has all the tools. that wont count for much in
>schotty's offense. sanchez is going to go up the spout for good
>unless somthing is done about schotty. the only time the jet offense
>looked good under schotty was the middle of the season during the
>favre year. that is beacuse favre was dictating much of the offense
>and calling... errr um... "suggesting" his own plays. the jets
>offense could not score against boise state much less a good NFL
>defense.
I was listening to a stream of a Miami radio station, a bit after the game.
I didn't get the name of the Fins' D player, but he said they knew everything the Jets
were going to do, by the formations & players in the lineup. That there were no
surprises.
Of course, many of us know this too, unfortunately.
== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:06 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:47:21 -0800 (PST), Johnny Morongo <mirehiel@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 5:06�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >on both sides of the ball.
>>
>> >Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. �Sloppy execution.
>> >Enough blame to be shared by all. �Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
>> >Ha.
>>
>> The D played fine, Tut.
>> The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>>
>> On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
>> We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
>> Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two weeks.
>> But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general approach to offense,
>> and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
>> We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
>> The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
>> If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad moments... well, no
>> need to beat a dead horse.
>>
>> I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and looking to blame
>> anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for the O design &
>> playcalling. �It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically been the entire
>> season. �There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking, but opposing
>> DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>>
>> My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. �He's not being groomed properly.
>
>Where to begin?
>
>Start with the D, Rex's brain child. They played great only because
>Henne sucked so badly. Period. Save for a few hustle plays, they
>lucked out because Henne couldn't get anything done and Marshall was
>worse than Keller. THEIR D was about on a par with ours, except for
>Wake, who is the pass rusher we don't have. Rex is not doing a great
>job with them, and throw Pettine in that boat too. And WTF is Taylor
>doing in coverage when he's or one legit pass rusher? If the jets
>could play Henne every week, we MIGHT make a Super Bowl run, but about
>the only QB worse that him in the league right now is Sancho.
>
>The O: I don't believe that it has taken the pro-Schitts (yes, I mean
>you, Tut and JohnC) this long to see how fucked up this infantile play
>calling is. But better late than never.
Huh? I beg your pardon, kind sir, but who do you think posted what you are responding
to... or are you suggesting that I'm pro-Schott... or save me some of what you be puffing,
for next week ;)
>I don't remember who it was, but a bunch of guys, in this group, got
>together some six or seven years ago and wrote a very cogent letter to
>Woody detailing how putrid Herm was (along with Cant Hackett). I
>implore whoever was responsible for that "truth to power" missive to
>send one off to Woody (a major disappointment himself, btw) concerning
>Shitt's ineptitude. He's got to go. Until then, I'm putting my
>fandom into deep freeze. What a continued wast of energy.
>
>Benigno is right: Oh the pain!
== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:09 pm
From: Tutor
On Dec 12, 11:49 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:39:26 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 12, 8:06 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >on both sides of the ball.
>
> >> >Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. Sloppy execution.
> >> >Enough blame to be shared by all. Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
> >> >Ha.
>
> >> The D played fine, Tut.
> >> The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>
> >> On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
> >> We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
> >> Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two weeks.
> >> But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general approach to offense,
> >> and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
> >> We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
> >> The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
> >> If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad moments... well, no
> >> need to beat a dead horse.
>
> >> I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and looking to blame
> >> anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for the O design &
> >> playcalling. It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically been the entire
> >> season. There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking, but opposing
> >> DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>
> >> My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. He's not being groomed properly.
>
> >The D did not play fine. They were disorganized. Having 9 men on the
> >field cost a time out. But tha's not what you meant by "lack" of
> >personnel. The D was assisted by facing a horribly inept offense.
> >You saw last week what a good offense does to this over rated defense
> >and we've seen team after team shred the defense on 3rd down and take
> >a lead late in the game. Haven't you noticed the defensive collapse
> >game after game?
>
> I don't know what game you watched. The D played well.
> I've noticed that we don't have players that can put pressure on a QB, without blitzing.
> Nor players that can cover an inside pass game, while we blitz.
> Nor an offense that can score points, & go ahead in a game, thus allowing the D to gamble
> more. The zone D is causing more problems, often, than the blitzing.
9 defensive players on the field for goal line defense. Time Out
called. LOL... Just terrible coaching out there. The defense got a
break because Henne was as bad as Sanchez. Detroit, Cleveland,
Houston and of course NE QBs have shreded this defense in the 2d half
of games. This defense is vastly overrated this year. I hold Rex
accountable for this. The players have under achieved...players like
Cromartie, who has to be one of the softest big DBs I have ever seen,
all of our safeties, Bryan Thomas, even Scott has disappeared at
times. I won't even mention the DL, where Ellis and Pouha have had
some solid play but no one else. And whose decision is it to drop our
only pass rusher into coverage in what seems like 50% of the plays.
That is just whacky coaching and defensive strategy. Taylor should
rarely drop into coverage. I dunno BuRf.. if you think this defense
is as good as all the Rex puffing then hats off to you. I see a
crappy disorganized apporach that is suspect to getting victimized on
3rd downs in the second half especially game after game. Green Bay
was the last strong defensive performance. Cincinnati and Miami
madeit easy because Palmer and Henne suck.
> >THe offense is putrid and of course the coaching is to blame as well
> >as the players for dropping almost everything that actually made it to
> >them. Keller can't catch a cold. Holmes drops a sure TD pass and
> >Sanchez hits under 50% of his throws with the bad ones way off the
> >mark. Here you see the result when you combine mediocre offensive
> >talent and and bad offensive coaching.
>
> It's not mediocre talent on offense... it's that they have no guidance.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:14 pm
From: Deadmeat
On 12/12/2010 9:55 PM, Tutor wrote:
> On Dec 12, 7:56 pm, Deadmeat<no...@home.com> wrote:
>> On 12/12/2010 7:23 PM, Tutor wrote:
>>
>>> on both sides of the ball.
>>
>>> Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. Sloppy execution.
>>> Enough blame to be shared by all. Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
>>> Ha.
>>
>> That had to be worst game these 2 teams have ever played. I don't
>> consider it a Dolphin win, as much as I count it as a "non-loss".
>>
>> BTW, that asshole coach or whoever the shithead was that stuck his leg
>> out on the sidelines, should cost the jets a hefty fine, and shouldn't
>> be allowed on the field again, ever.
>
> On JI it is being said that the guy who tripped up the Dolphin was Sal
> Alosi, Strength and conditioning coach. No excuse. A terrible thing.
>
> http://www2.newyorkjets.com/team/coach/1147-sal-alosi
With all the cameras out there, I don't get how idiots think they can
get away with something like that.
== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:21 pm
From: Tutor
On Dec 12, 11:58 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:43:44 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 12, 8:06 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >on both sides of the ball.
>
> >> >Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. Sloppy execution.
> >> >Enough blame to be shared by all. Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
> >> >Ha.
>
> >> The D played fine, Tut.
> >> The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>
> >> On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
> >> We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
> >> Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two weeks.
> >> But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general approach to offense,
> >> and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
> >> We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
> >> The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
> >> If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad moments... well, no
> >> need to beat a dead horse.
>
> >> I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and looking to blame
> >> anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for the O design &
> >> playcalling. It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically been the entire
> >> season. There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking, but opposing
> >> DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>
> >> My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. He's not being groomed properly.
>
> >It would be naive to ignore Rex's deficiencies in all of this. Rex
> >sanctions the offensive game plan and design. He needs to force it to
> >change. Unless you really believe that Schott doesn't report to Rex.
> >That would be absurd if true. Now I have no idea the extent of
> >Greene's injury but you can bet the farm that the decision to overplay
> >LT all this season has been Rex and 100% Rex. You saw it on Hard
> >Knocks. Rex is out to prove to the world he was "right" in dumping TJ
> >for LT. I think the quote was "I love being right". To ignore the
> >detrimental impact of Rex's ego on this team's performance is akin to
> >taking a myopic view of what is happening on the Jets. Schott
> >sucks...true, but the scarier issue is whether or not Rex will grow up
> >as a HC.
>
> We'll disagree on this.
> LT is Schott's guy from SD. At one point in the season, when Schott benched Shonn, Rex
> didn't know about it, until he was told during the post-game presser.
> This O is the same O that was here before Rex got here. It's Schott's O.
>
> What is Rex's problem, is that he thought he could focus on D, and leave the O to Schott
> (and the STs to Westhoff).
> I still don't know if Rex realizes he's the HC, and as such, needs to be more involved
> with the O. I know he had a meeting with Sanchez this week, so maybe he's starting to get
> it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Rexon Hard Knocks: (after sarcastically saying how LT is done... "
Don't you love being right".
open your eyes. Rex and Tanny made the call to use LT to the point of
exhaustion, not Schott. Once Greene fumbled, it was Rex that pulled
him. That's an HC decison. No one else.
== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:21 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:13:55 -0500, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>news:7jrag658tu5tok9hrbfbohq67eep6djpe7@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>on both sides of the ball.
>>>
>>>Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. Sloppy execution.
>>>Enough blame to be shared by all. Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
>>>Ha.
>>
>> The D played fine, Tut.
>> The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>>
>> On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
>> We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
>> Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two
>> weeks.
>> But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general
>> approach to offense,
>> and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
>> We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
>> The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
>> If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad
>> moments... well, no
>> need to beat a dead horse.
>>
>> I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and
>> looking to blame
>> anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for
>> the O design &
>> playcalling. It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically
>> been the entire
>> season. There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking,
>> but opposing
>> DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>>
>> My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. He's not being groomed
>> properly.
>
>
>How much can be expected of a defense that get's NO help from the offense,
>poor field position and a ton of 3 and outs? For the first time I think Rex
>has some questions about what is, and has been going on with the offense.
>The O line was terrible...but how can guys be expected to block when the D
>knows exactly what to expect? They are so freakin predictbable...and even
>the opponents are saying that...as well as guys like Klecko and other
>commentators. there is absolutely no scheme to the running game at all.
>I'm going to stop here because I have no appetite for all the guys who will
>come back with crap about how great Schott is...this has been happening all
>season long, and what we see now is what we are reaping. Some people are
>just die hard fans, others are actually fans of the game first...and these
>guys do not prepare for the game.
>
Yeah, I'm starting to think Rex may be waking up... he seemed to suggest that after the
game.
Ya know, I've been watching this offense for 5 years now, and I'm still amazed it hasn't
changed at all. But, I'm really scared that Sanchez is being damaged, at this point.
He's just a kid.
And watching how the whole offensive team is regressing, it's starting to look like
they're starting to tune out Schott. If Schott is back next season, Rex is a total idiot.
And it's going to be Rex's decision to fire him, because I imagine the rest of the league
now sees Schott as the clueless one he is. Anyone hiring him as HC, would have to be more
clueless than him, after seeing how lame this O is.
As for Schott himself, I kinda feel for him, since his best shot to be a HC, may very well
have been last season, which he allegedly said *not interested.*
== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:28 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:07:33 -0800 (PST), Glenn Greenstein <lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 10:13�pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>wrote:
>> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:7jrag658tu5tok9hrbfbohq67eep6djpe7@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>on both sides of the ball.
>>
>> >>Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. �Sloppy execution.
>> >>Enough blame to be shared by all. �Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
>> >>Ha.
>>
>> > The D played fine, Tut.
>> > The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>>
>> > On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
>> > We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
>> > Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two
>> > weeks.
>> > But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general
>> > approach to offense,
>> > and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
>> > We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
>> > The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
>> > If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad
>> > moments... well, no
>> > need to beat a dead horse.
>>
>> > I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and
>> > looking to blame
>> > anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for
>> > the O design &
>> > playcalling. �It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically
>> > been the entire
>> > season. �There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking,
>> > but opposing
>> > DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>>
>> > My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. �He's not being groomed
>> > properly.
>>
>> How much can be expected of a defense that get's NO help from the offense,
>> poor field position and a ton of 3 and outs? �For the first time I think Rex
>> has some questions about what is, and has been going on with the offense.
>> The O line was terrible...but how can guys be expected to block when the D
>> knows exactly what to expect? �They are so freakin predictbable...and even
>> the opponents are saying that...as well as guys like Klecko and other
>> commentators. �there is absolutely no scheme to the running game at all.
>> I'm going to stop here because I have no appetite for all the guys who will
>> come back with crap about how great Schott is...this has been happening all
>> season long, and what we see now is what we are reaping. �Some people are
>> just die hard fans, others are actually fans of the game first...and these
>> guys do not prepare for the game.
>
>Wow. When did we ever start hating on other posters in the NG.
Seems to me, those who have pointed out Schott's deficiencies, have been ridiculed &
demeaned for pointing out the obvious. We're the negative ones always... not those that
endlessly attack us for posting the obvious.
People still defend Schott, and look to blame anyone else, for the O failures.
And I'm sure that is who Carl is referring to.
== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:33 pm
From: Tutor
On Dec 12, 11:58 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:43:44 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 12, 8:06 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:23:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >on both sides of the ball.
>
> >> >Terrible game plan from Schott and from Rex. Sloppy execution.
> >> >Enough blame to be shared by all. Onward to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
> >> >Ha.
>
> >> The D played fine, Tut.
> >> The problems on D are just lack of personnel.
>
> >> On O, as Rex said after the game, there's enough talent.
> >> We've seen that Sanchez can get it done, so why he is regressing now?
> >> Part of it is the OL - - Woody's injury & just poor play over the past two weeks.
> >> But the rest of it lies in the offensive design, playcalling, general approach to offense,
> >> and a terrible job keeping the young QB's head on straight.
> >> We've seen this same game, play out all season, except for a few games.
> >> The D keeps us in the game, but the O is impotent.
> >> If all the O players are infected, as they're all having their bad moments... well, no
> >> need to beat a dead horse.
>
> >> I just don't understand you guys, who just keep ignoring the obvious, and looking to blame
> >> anyone else for the O problems, other than the guy who is responsible for the O design &
> >> playcalling. It's not like it's been a couple of games... it's basically been the entire
> >> season. There were a couple of games early, where the O started clicking, but opposing
> >> DCs adjusted, and since, no adjustment from our side.
>
> >> My main concern right now, is Sanchez' head. He's not being groomed properly.
>
> >It would be naive to ignore Rex's deficiencies in all of this. Rex
> >sanctions the offensive game plan and design. He needs to force it to
> >change. Unless you really believe that Schott doesn't report to Rex.
> >That would be absurd if true. Now I have no idea the extent of
> >Greene's injury but you can bet the farm that the decision to overplay
> >LT all this season has been Rex and 100% Rex. You saw it on Hard
> >Knocks. Rex is out to prove to the world he was "right" in dumping TJ
> >for LT. I think the quote was "I love being right". To ignore the
> >detrimental impact of Rex's ego on this team's performance is akin to
> >taking a myopic view of what is happening on the Jets. Schott
> >sucks...true, but the scarier issue is whether or not Rex will grow up
> >as a HC.
>
> We'll disagree on this.
> LT is Schott's guy from SD. At one point in the season, when Schott benched Shonn, Rex
> didn't know about it, until he was told during the post-game presser.
> This O is the same O that was here before Rex got here. It's Schott's O.
>
> What is Rex's problem, is that he thought he could focus on D, and leave the O to Schott
> (and the STs to Westhoff).
> I still don't know if Rex realizes he's the HC, and as such, needs to be more involved
> with the O. I know he had a meeting with Sanchez this week, so maybe he's starting to get
> it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
In addition to making LT the focusof the offense based on ego and
thereby overplaying him, Rex's other problems include tolerating an
undisciplined, unprepared team on both sides of the ball. In addition
to not having a clue when to not to throw a challenge flag, Rex has a
host of problems he needs to correct in order to become a good HC.
Right now he is not. He's young. I have confidence he can correct
his deficiencies. But they are severe and need attention. We cut
Herm no slack when he sent out an unprepared, uninspired team. Well
we have got ourselves an undisciplined, penalty prone sloppy bunch on
both sides of the ball. The bonehead late hits and penalties are a
result of poor coaching. We have receivers and a 1st round pick TE
who drop almost everything, we have a QB who can be terribly
inaccurate and inconsistent between his good moments. One who pouts
and sulks on the sidelines when things don't go right. This defense
in 2009 were great tacklers and now, in 2010 they are poor tacklers?
Why? Lack of players? Nope. Good tackling is the result of good
coaching and this unit has stepped back in that department in 2010.
That's on Rex.
The problems on the Jets go way deeper than Schott, although Schott is
an integral part of the problem.
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TOPIC: On the bright side: Jets can clinch playoff spot Sunday
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 7:25 pm
From: Keith Keller
On 2010-12-09, Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
>
> Of course. We might as well get a giant roll of stamps if the Jets
> can't beat the Fins at home, because if they can't win that game the
> Jets will need to hire Jim Mora to do their postgame news conference.
Someone remind me never to joke about the Jets' playoff chances again.
And bring me my roll of stamps.
--keith
--
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:33 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:25:31 -0800, Keith Keller
<kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
>On 2010-12-09, Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
>>
>> Of course. We might as well get a giant roll of stamps if the Jets
>> can't beat the Fins at home, because if they can't win that game the
>> Jets will need to hire Jim Mora to do their postgame news conference.
>
>Someone remind me never to joke about the Jets' playoff chances again.
>And bring me my roll of stamps.
>
>--keith
Come on, man... after watching this team this season, are you really surprised by these
last two games?
The miracle, is that it took this long to catch up to their play ;)
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TOPIC: Miami: Perfect Opponent
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 7:33 pm
From: Tutor
On Dec 12, 10:12 pm, "Brad Machado" <KYLERSGRAN...@webtv.net> wrote:
> On 12/7/2010 16:46, BicketyBam wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Miami is the perfect opponent for us this week. They aren't so bad
> that a
> > win rings hollow and they aren't good enough to beat us at home. I
> have
> > watched a fair amount of the Dolphins games this year and I can't
> see them
> > beating us on Sunday. Their defense is pretty good, but it can be
> beat
> > especially by passes to Keller. Cam Wake is an excellent pass
> rusher, but
> > we held him sackless in the first meeting. Miami will have a hard
> time
> > covering Edwards, Holmes, Cotchery and Keller. Running will be tough
> > sledding, but we will eventually get out yards. Henne has looked
> mostly
> > awful this year. He has a very hard time with cover 2 and I hope Rex
> and
> > staff have noticed. I would play lots of zone and wait for him to be
> > confused, which shouldn't take long. He was God awful last week.
> Lastly,
> > Ricky and Ronnie will do nothing against us on the ground.
>
> > There is no reason why the Jets shouldn't improve to 10-3 with a
> convincing
> > victory over Miami on Sunday. We will also be 4-1 in the division
> and will
> > have ended any glimmer of playoff hope for Miami. Bank on it. Rex is
> going
> > to have the defense ready to kill. Sunday can't get here soon enough.
>
> Sunday came and went: DOLPHINS 10 Jets 6. Yep, perfect opponent and
> your prediction was so spot on, dickbreath.
>
> You friggin delusional Jet fans are something else. Face it, your team
> SUCKS and you all have big fucking mouths, starting with the fat coach.
>
> You ain't even making the playoffs. You have not beaten a good team
> all year and barely beat shit teams. You can't even beat a warm
> weather team in your own stadium during a rain storm.
>
> Instead of burying game balls, bury the jerkoff fireman who still is
> practicing spelling the team name.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
talk about the pot calling the kettle black. LOL at the mouthy
troll.
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TOPIC: Jets ticket office wants playoff ticket money....
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 8:34 pm
From: Michael
The Jets sent me a letter with a deadline to pay for playoff
tickets... Well... I have a deadline for them...
Schotty has f'ed up an offense loaded with talent, a team, a season
and he's now adding the destruction of a QB to his list of impressive
accomplishments. Any Jet fan with two cents of football brainpower
should be throwing fits about this incompetent football zero. I was
waiting to see the outcome of the miami game to decided on sending in
my money to the jets ticket office for playoff tickets. They are NOT
going to get an $800.00 interest free loan from me. Add to that... If
schott is not gone at the end of this season, I plan to cancel my
season tickets and tell them to wipe their asses with the PSL. And...
I know three other season ticket holders that are going to do the same
thing for the same reason. We want a good product for our money and
that means we want schott gone. No way am I going to help subsidize
that charlatan. And for you Schott defenders... Please dont take it
personal...
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:13 pm
From: Tutor
On Dec 12, 11:34 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> The Jets sent me a letter with a deadline to pay for playoff
> tickets... Well... I have a deadline for them...
>
> Schotty has f'ed up an offense loaded with talent, a team, a season
> and he's now adding the destruction of a QB to his list of impressive
> accomplishments. Any Jet fan with two cents of football brainpower
> should be throwing fits about this incompetent football zero. I was
> waiting to see the outcome of the miami game to decided on sending in
> my money to the jets ticket office for playoff tickets. They are NOT
> going to get an $800.00 interest free loan from me. Add to that... If
> schott is not gone at the end of this season, I plan to cancel my
> season tickets and tell them to wipe their asses with the PSL. And...
> I know three other season ticket holders that are going to do the same
> thing for the same reason. We want a good product for our money and
> that means we want schott gone. No way am I going to help subsidize
> that charlatan. And for you Schott defenders... Please dont take it
> personal...
you mean you don't want to front your money to see 9 players on the
field for a goal line defense? LOL
And for pete's sake, knock it off with "Schott defenders" nonsense.
You act like people think he is great. No one has said that not me,
not Glenn, not John. Unfortunately the Anti Schott Militia's thinking
is horribly flawed because it ignores all the other deficiencies on
this team.. and there are many on both sides of the ball, and act like
Schott is the cause of it all. That's just delusional.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:17 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:e0ef8210-caac-4b5f-ae68-995dbd513269@g26g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> The Jets sent me a letter with a deadline to pay for playoff
> tickets... Well... I have a deadline for them...
>
> Schotty has f'ed up an offense loaded with talent, a team, a season
> and he's now adding the destruction of a QB to his list of impressive
> accomplishments. Any Jet fan with two cents of football brainpower
> should be throwing fits about this incompetent football zero. I was
> waiting to see the outcome of the miami game to decided on sending in
> my money to the jets ticket office for playoff tickets. They are NOT
> going to get an $800.00 interest free loan from me. Add to that... If
> schott is not gone at the end of this season, I plan to cancel my
> season tickets and tell them to wipe their asses with the PSL. And...
> I know three other season ticket holders that are going to do the same
> thing for the same reason. We want a good product for our money and
> that means we want schott gone. No way am I going to help subsidize
> that charlatan. And for you Schott defenders... Please dont take it
> personal...
Well...you know I agree with you about the total offensive scheme...or lack
of one. But....I think it is time to put a lot of this on Rex too. It
really looks like he lost this team. That was a horrendous effort, and they
were not prepared or focused. I think Rex may think the swagger and
attitude can trump due diligence and preparation. Swagger and solid
confidence is a must, but it will never replace being ready, knowing what
you are doing and being focused. This is a team with a lot of talent being
used very poorly and they are not indicating they have been made ready to
perform.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 8:57 pm
From: "finsfan"
Nothing? Really??
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:10 pm
From: Tutor
On Dec 12, 11:57 pm, "finsfan" <hmatthe...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
> Nothing? Really??
try reading some of the threads. Nobody here approves. I think he
should be fired.
Bye now.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:18 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f59d811c-20a5-4ce2-9f10-bda76462343c@i41g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 12, 11:57 pm, "finsfan" <hmatthe...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
> Nothing? Really??
try reading some of the threads. Nobody here approves. I think he
should be fired.
Bye now.
I agree...he needs to leave, there really is not place for that kind of
BS....
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TOPIC: 21-0 Pats
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d6e0b0a2f56195e0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 9:05 pm
From: Diogenes
On 12/12/2010 6:57 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>
>> Ray, recently you have been a reasonably intelligent contributor here.
>> Since I can assure you that almost everyone that posts here is fully
>> aware of what the Pats do, why don't you stop acting like a jackass for
>> the rest of the day?
>
> More to the point, what Jet fan cares? Any real Jet fan is more
> concerned with how our team is not playing, the ineptitude of our play
> calling on both sides of the ball, players being prepared, and Sanchez
> regression.
>
> harlan
Ray and his sidekick(fantasy hump)cloud dreamer constantly flood the
Pats newsgroup with the obvious.He's the type of fool that walks up to
you on August 5th and says "hot enough for ya." He is also a left wing
libtard spewing pro Obama propoganda.
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