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1. Phytochemicals and Phytopharmaceuticals
Authors:Fereidoon Shahidi, Chi-Tang Ho
Publisher: AOCS Pre
Keywords: phytopharmaceuticals, phytochemicals
Number of Pages: 431
Published: 1999-12-01
List price: $135.00
ISBN-10: 1893997057
ISBN-13: 9781893997059

2. Quality Control of Packaging Materials in the Pharmaceutical Industry (vol 4)
Author: Kenneth Harburn, Harburn
ISBN: 0824782437
ISBN-13:9780824782436, 978-0824782436
Publishing Date: Oct 1990
Publisher: Informa Healthcare
Edition: 1st
Number of Pages: 196
Language: English

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'An Agrobacterium-mediated transient gene expression system for intact leaves .'

 

Jyoti Kapila, Riet De Rycke, Marc Van Montagu, and Geert Angenon.

 

Plant Science Volume 122, Issue 1, 15 January 1997, Pages 101-108

doi:10.1016/S0168-9452(96)04541-4 

 

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* Double Cheaters!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d5778e25a28d9d19?hl=en
* Try to play fair - 10 messages, 3 authors
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* More proof that Schott is a football half-wit. - 4 messages, 2 authors
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* I retract my offer... - 2 messages, 1 author
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* Suspension Isn't Enough - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Unprepared - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* Special note: Dustin Keller - 1 messages, 1 author
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* We are in a pickle - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Double Cheaters!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 5:18 pm
From: Deadmeat


On 12/14/2010 9:37 AM, Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> On Dec 14, 4:37 am, Antonio Varblespunk<a...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "The NFL will not add to the sanctions, but ESPN's Chris Mortensen
>> reported the league is looking into the incident to determine if
>> Alosi and the Jets' inactive players were instructed to station
>> themselves on the extreme edges of the sideline to inhibit Carroll
>> from using that area to cover a punt.
>>
>> As you can see in the still shot of the video below, Alosi and
>> some inactive Jets players stood in a military-style phalanx,
>> foot to foot, with their toes right up against the boundary.
>> Alosi is stationed as close to the corner of the sideline box
>> as allowable. That doesn't look like a coincidence."
>>
>> http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/23160/jets-deliver-strong-s...
>>
>> Tripgate is only in the initial stages....
>
> My God, you people will reach for anything. There was nothing illeagal
> about where the Jet players were standing and if that fool was runing
> where he was supposed to be running, Alosi doesn't have the chance to
> make a jackass out of himself. We are not talking about a guy trying
> to walk a tight rope here, he was a goo 2 to 3 yards out of bounds.


He was blocked out of bounds, which happens quite a bit on punts.
That's why the refs will allow the player a little time to get back in.

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TOPIC: Try to play fair
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 6:29 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 14, 8:07 pm, Deadmeat <no...@home.com> wrote:
> On 12/14/2010 6:26 PM, Michael wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 14, 5:22 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net>  wrote:
> >> "Michael"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:5f75957f-869d-421c-bc80-49cda6db37ca@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> On Dec 14, 4:27 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net>  wrote:
>
> >>> The Steelers are called the classiest club in the NFL so the Jets should
> >>> try
> >>> to play the game fairly for a change.
>
> >> all bets are off with the squeelers.  if the jets assistants want to
> >> trip them up on the sidelines i have no problem with that.  if they
> >> took baseball bats and hit the steelers over the head i'd have no
> >> problem with that.  if they punch rapistberger in the face again, i
> >> have no problem with that.  the steelers have gotten a steady supply
> >> of "favors" from the league officials that cost two teams superbowls
> >> and other teams a chance to play in a superbowl and who knows how many
> >> individial games were handed to to them at the expense of other hard
> >> working teams.
>
> >> if the jets can pull off a win, the least they can do is shuv some of
> >> those fan towels down a few of the steelers throats or decapitate one
> >> of the officials after the next phantom call.  i also would not mind
> >> late hits on their qb, or going low on any of the steelers players at
> >> any time
>
> >> kill... mame... destroy... winning counts for less this time
>
> >> Cheaters never win and winners never cheat.  That explains why the Jets
> >> never win anything.  That and never having a good quarterback since Namath.
>
> > yep... and how many tainted superbowl trophies do the pats have ???
> > and how about the 1982 Jets-Fish champ game when the biggiest winner
> > of em all don shula cheated and watered down the field ???
>
> Yeah, Shula has a direct line to GOD and he told him to make it rain.  I
> guess Shula also turned on the shower last week too.
>
> If you have proof that Shula did turn on the hoses, please enlighten,
> and saying "I heard/read it somewhere" doesn't count.
>
> The jets lost 3 times to the fins that year, what is the excuse for the
> other 2?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i have proof shula was the guy who was behind leaving the tarp off the
field... the entire league knew it... why not just get on board with
me about the little squeelers. i want them to lose even when the fish
and pats play them. can you at least hope with me for a few broken
bones ??? these ass clowns have gotten away with murder... if the fish
ever get a good qb, may be it will be them next that get screwed out
of a playoff game on behlaf of the squeelers and their owner who the
league is obviously queer for. him and his brand name leage
flagship... i mean flagShit squeelers...


== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 6:46 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ie8v7r$ri6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:atmdnXPmu4COc5rQnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>> "Michael" wrote in message
>> news:5f75957f-869d-421c-bc80-49cda6db37ca@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> On Dec 14, 4:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> The Steelers are called the classiest club in the NFL so the Jets should
>>> try
>>> to play the game fairly for a change.
>>
>> all bets are off with the squeelers. if the jets assistants want to
>> trip them up on the sidelines i have no problem with that. if they
>> took baseball bats and hit the steelers over the head i'd have no
>> problem with that. if they punch rapistberger in the face again, i
>> have no problem with that. the steelers have gotten a steady supply
>> of "favors" from the league officials that cost two teams superbowls
>> and other teams a chance to play in a superbowl and who knows how many
>> individial games were handed to to them at the expense of other hard
>> working teams.
>>
>> if the jets can pull off a win, the least they can do is shuv some of
>> those fan towels down a few of the steelers throats or decapitate one
>> of the officials after the next phantom call. i also would not mind
>> late hits on their qb, or going low on any of the steelers players at
>> any time
>>
>> kill... mame... destroy... winning counts for less this time
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheaters never win and winners never cheat. That explains why the Jets
>> never win anything. That and never having a good quarterback since
>> Namath.
>
>
> It's so sad how pats fans can never be happy with what they have? They
> live with the constant jealousy of being in the rear view mirror of NY.
> Why else the need to post insults here?

They have the most amazing offense in football...and it doesn't make them
happy...amazes me...I do not like BB and would never root for them...but as
a fan of the game I do like watching them play.


== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 6:50 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 14, 9:46 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ie8v7r$ri6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:atmdnXPmu4COc5rQnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> >> "Michael"  wrote in message
> >>news:5f75957f-869d-421c-bc80-49cda6db37ca@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> On Dec 14, 4:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>> The Steelers are called the classiest club in the NFL so the Jets should
> >>> try
> >>> to play the game fairly for a change.
>
> >> all bets are off with the squeelers.  if the jets assistants want to
> >> trip them up on the sidelines i have no problem with that.  if they
> >> took baseball bats and hit the steelers over the head i'd have no
> >> problem with that.  if they punch rapistberger in the face again, i
> >> have no problem with that.  the steelers have gotten a steady supply
> >> of "favors" from the league officials that cost two teams superbowls
> >> and other teams a chance to play in a superbowl and who knows how many
> >> individial games were handed to to them at the expense of other hard
> >> working teams.
>
> >> if the jets can pull off a win, the least they can do is shuv some of
> >> those fan towels down a few of the steelers throats or decapitate one
> >> of the officials after the next phantom call.  i also would not mind
> >> late hits on their qb, or going low on any of the steelers players at
> >> any time
>
> >> kill... mame... destroy... winning counts for less this time
>
> >> Cheaters never win and winners never cheat.  That explains why the Jets
> >> never win anything.  That and never having a good quarterback since
> >> Namath.
>
> >   It's so sad how pats fans can never be happy with what they have? They
> > live with the constant jealousy of being in the rear view mirror of NY.
> > Why else the need to post insults here?
>
> They have the most amazing offense in football...and it doesn't make them
> happy...amazes me...I do not like BB and would never root for them...but as
> a fan of the game I do like watching them play.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

bull shit... the jets have the most amazing offense in football...
santonio holmes, braylon edwards, jerico cotchery, dusten keller, nick
mangold, brandon moore, dbrickashaw ferguson, Tomlinson, Green and
they cant score more than 3 points per game. that is by far the most
amazing offense i have ever seen... EVER


== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 7:55 pm
From: " `�.��.���\)R�v�sf�n @\(�`�.��.��"


"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On Dec 14, 4:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> The Steelers are called the classiest club in the NFL

LMAO! ...and whom is it that calls the steelers the classiest club sticky
booby ...Porter or Harrison, ...both? U R such a Potsie sometimes!

> so the Jets should try
> to play the game fairly for a change.

all bets are off with the squeelers. if the jets assistants want to
trip them up on the sidelines i have no problem with that. if they
took baseball bats and hit the steelers over the head i'd have no
problem with that. if they punch rapistberger in the face again, i
have no problem with that. the steelers have gotten a steady supply
of "favors" from the league officials that cost two teams superbowls
and other teams a chance to play in a superbowl and who knows how many
individial games were handed to to them at the expense of other hard
working teams.
---------

JHC the sky is falling, ...we actually agree about the sPlittsburgh Feelers.
Must be that "blind squirrel finds a nut" theory at work.

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== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 8:11 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 14, 10:55 pm, " ` . . \)R v sf n @\( ` . . "
<steroid.curt...@1970s.steelers.com> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:5f75957f-869d-421c-bc80-49cda6db37ca@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 4:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > The Steelers are called the classiest club in the NFL
>
> LMAO! ...and whom is it that calls the steelers the classiest club sticky
> booby ...Porter or Harrison, ...both? U R such a Potsie sometimes!
>
> > so the Jets should try
> > to play the game fairly for a change.
>
> all bets are off with the squeelers.  if the jets assistants want to
> trip them up on the sidelines i have no problem with that.  if they
> took baseball bats and hit the steelers over the head i'd have no
> problem with that.  if they punch rapistberger in the face again, i
> have no problem with that.  the steelers have gotten a steady supply
> of "favors" from the league officials that cost two teams superbowls
> and other teams a chance to play in a superbowl and who knows how many
> individial games were handed to to them at the expense of other hard
> working teams.
> ---------
>
> JHC the sky is falling, ...we actually agree about the sPlittsburgh Feelers.
> Must be that "blind squirrel finds a nut" theory at work.
>
>                             . . ) D r e w ( ` . .
>                                    RavNsfan
>                 NNTP-Posting-Host:  " news.qis.net "
>
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>         a "free anonymous foreign remailer" used by welfare
>      cheats and trailer-park trash posting under others nicks

btw, drew... did you ever find the answer to my question ??? when did
the ravens first use the bear front ??? if you dont know, I can help
you if you like... and another question for you... when was the first
time the ravens started using press coverage while overloading one
side of the defensive line ??? traits that have stuck with the ravens
for some time now... and now the jets... since rex ryan had nothing
to do with the ranvesn defense his first year, it could not have been
1999 that we first saw those things in baltimore ;-) or could it
have been ???


== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 8:20 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:a3522993-d423-4b8f-a83d-46e54ec9832b@w18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 14, 9:46 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ie8v7r$ri6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:atmdnXPmu4COc5rQnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> >> "Michael" wrote in message
> >>news:5f75957f-869d-421c-bc80-49cda6db37ca@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> On Dec 14, 4:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>> The Steelers are called the classiest club in the NFL so the Jets
> >>> should
> >>> try
> >>> to play the game fairly for a change.
>
> >> all bets are off with the squeelers. if the jets assistants want to
> >> trip them up on the sidelines i have no problem with that. if they
> >> took baseball bats and hit the steelers over the head i'd have no
> >> problem with that. if they punch rapistberger in the face again, i
> >> have no problem with that. the steelers have gotten a steady supply
> >> of "favors" from the league officials that cost two teams superbowls
> >> and other teams a chance to play in a superbowl and who knows how many
> >> individial games were handed to to them at the expense of other hard
> >> working teams.
>
> >> if the jets can pull off a win, the least they can do is shuv some of
> >> those fan towels down a few of the steelers throats or decapitate one
> >> of the officials after the next phantom call. i also would not mind
> >> late hits on their qb, or going low on any of the steelers players at
> >> any time
>
> >> kill... mame... destroy... winning counts for less this time
>
> >> Cheaters never win and winners never cheat. That explains why the Jets
> >> never win anything. That and never having a good quarterback since
> >> Namath.
>
> > It's so sad how pats fans can never be happy with what they have? They
> > live with the constant jealousy of being in the rear view mirror of NY.
> > Why else the need to post insults here?
>
> They have the most amazing offense in football...and it doesn't make them
> happy...amazes me...I do not like BB and would never root for them...but
> as
> a fan of the game I do like watching them play.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

bull shit... the jets have the most amazing offense in football...
santonio holmes, braylon edwards, jerico cotchery, dusten keller, nick
mangold, brandon moore, dbrickashaw ferguson, Tomlinson, Green and
they cant score more than 3 points per game. that is by far the most
amazing offense i have ever seen... EVER

I hope you are being facetious. I said I like watching an execution of an
offense because it is well conceived. As a fan of "the game" I like
watching good football.....I must have watched the wrong Jets if that is
what you saw.


== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 8:21 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:351871ac-5bcc-446a-aa84-4bb96c2d07fb@y31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 14, 10:55 pm, " ` . . \)R v sf n @\( ` . . "
<steroid.curt...@1970s.steelers.com> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:5f75957f-869d-421c-bc80-49cda6db37ca@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 4:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > The Steelers are called the classiest club in the NFL
>
> LMAO! ...and whom is it that calls the steelers the classiest club sticky
> booby ...Porter or Harrison, ...both? U R such a Potsie sometimes!
>
> > so the Jets should try
> > to play the game fairly for a change.
>
> all bets are off with the squeelers. if the jets assistants want to
> trip them up on the sidelines i have no problem with that. if they
> took baseball bats and hit the steelers over the head i'd have no
> problem with that. if they punch rapistberger in the face again, i
> have no problem with that. the steelers have gotten a steady supply
> of "favors" from the league officials that cost two teams superbowls
> and other teams a chance to play in a superbowl and who knows how many
> individial games were handed to to them at the expense of other hard
> working teams.
> ---------
>
> JHC the sky is falling, ...we actually agree about the sPlittsburgh
> Feelers.
> Must be that "blind squirrel finds a nut" theory at work.
>
> . . ) D r e w ( ` . .
> RavNsfan
> NNTP-Posting-Host: " news.qis.net "
>
> "user.speranza.aioe.org"
> a "free anonymous foreign remailer" used by welfare
> cheats and trailer-park trash posting under others nicks

btw, drew... did you ever find the answer to my question ??? when did
the ravens first use the bear front ??? if you dont know, I can help
you if you like... and another question for you... when was the first
time the ravens started using press coverage while overloading one
side of the defensive line ??? traits that have stuck with the ravens
for some time now... and now the jets... since rex ryan had nothing
to do with the ranvesn defense his first year, it could not have been
1999 that we first saw those things in baltimore ;-) or could it
have been ???

LOL...or better yet....why is it those schemes look so familiarly like
schemes used by Buddy Ryan??????


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 8:46 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 14, 11:21 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:351871ac-5bcc-446a-aa84-4bb96c2d07fb@y31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 10:55 pm, " ` .  .   \)R v sf n @\( ` .  .  "
>
>
>
>
>
> <steroid.curt...@1970s.steelers.com> wrote:
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:5f75957f-869d-421c-bc80-49cda6db37ca@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 14, 4:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > The Steelers are called the classiest club in the NFL
>
> > LMAO! ...and whom is it that calls the steelers the classiest club sticky
> > booby ...Porter or Harrison, ...both? U R such a Potsie sometimes!
>
> > > so the Jets should try
> > > to play the game fairly for a change.
>
> > all bets are off with the squeelers. if the jets assistants want to
> > trip them up on the sidelines i have no problem with that. if they
> > took baseball bats and hit the steelers over the head i'd have no
> > problem with that. if they punch rapistberger in the face again, i
> > have no problem with that. the steelers have gotten a steady supply
> > of "favors" from the league officials that cost two teams superbowls
> > and other teams a chance to play in a superbowl and who knows how many
> > individial games were handed to to them at the expense of other hard
> > working teams.
> > ---------
>
> > JHC the sky is falling, ...we actually agree about the sPlittsburgh
> > Feelers.
> > Must be that "blind squirrel finds a nut" theory at work.
>
> > . . ) D r e w ( ` . .
> > RavNsfan
> > NNTP-Posting-Host: " news.qis.net "
>
> > "user.speranza.aioe.org"
> > a "free anonymous foreign remailer" used by welfare
> > cheats and trailer-park trash posting under others nicks
>
> btw, drew... did you ever find the answer to my question ???  when did
> the ravens first use the bear front ??? if you dont know, I can help
> you if you like... and another question for you... when was the first
> time the ravens started using press coverage while overloading one
> side of the defensive line ??? traits that have stuck with the ravens
> for some time now... and now the jets...   since rex ryan had nothing
> to do with the ranvesn defense his first year, it could not have been
> 1999 that we first saw those things in baltimore  ;-)  or could it
> have been ???
>
> LOL...or better yet....why is it those schemes look so familiarly like
> schemes used by Buddy Ryan??????- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

indeed... :-) though, the buddy ryan defense with the steady supply
of bear front, somthing new at the time, would not work these days...
it has been figured out... rex just mixes it in from time to time and
usually the post snap defense does somthing a bit different from the
bear front lign up any way... if i remember correctly, walsh came up
with the short passing version of the west coast in order to defeat
the 46 defense. or at least that is what i think i remember...


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 8:48 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 14, 11:20 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:a3522993-d423-4b8f-a83d-46e54ec9832b@w18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 9:46 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:ie8v7r$ri6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > > "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >news:atmdnXPmu4COc5rQnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > >> "Michael" wrote in message
> > >>news:5f75957f-869d-421c-bc80-49cda6db37ca@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> On Dec 14, 4:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >>> The Steelers are called the classiest club in the NFL so the Jets
> > >>> should
> > >>> try
> > >>> to play the game fairly for a change.
>
> > >> all bets are off with the squeelers. if the jets assistants want to
> > >> trip them up on the sidelines i have no problem with that. if they
> > >> took baseball bats and hit the steelers over the head i'd have no
> > >> problem with that. if they punch rapistberger in the face again, i
> > >> have no problem with that. the steelers have gotten a steady supply
> > >> of "favors" from the league officials that cost two teams superbowls
> > >> and other teams a chance to play in a superbowl and who knows how many
> > >> individial games were handed to to them at the expense of other hard
> > >> working teams.
>
> > >> if the jets can pull off a win, the least they can do is shuv some of
> > >> those fan towels down a few of the steelers throats or decapitate one
> > >> of the officials after the next phantom call. i also would not mind
> > >> late hits on their qb, or going low on any of the steelers players at
> > >> any time
>
> > >> kill... mame... destroy... winning counts for less this time
>
> > >> Cheaters never win and winners never cheat. That explains why the Jets
> > >> never win anything. That and never having a good quarterback since
> > >> Namath.
>
> > > It's so sad how pats fans can never be happy with what they have? They
> > > live with the constant jealousy of being in the rear view mirror of NY.
> > > Why else the need to post insults here?
>
> > They have the most amazing offense in football...and it doesn't make them
> > happy...amazes me...I do not like BB and would never root for them...but
> > as
> > a fan of the game I do like watching them play.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> bull shit... the jets have the most amazing offense in football...
> santonio holmes, braylon edwards, jerico cotchery, dusten keller, nick
> mangold, brandon moore, dbrickashaw ferguson, Tomlinson, Green and
> they cant score more than 3 points per game.  that is by far the most
> amazing offense i have ever seen... EVER
>
> I hope you are being facetious.  I said I like watching an execution of an
> offense because it is well conceived.  As a fan of "the game" I like
> watching good football.....I must have watched the wrong Jets if that is
> what you saw.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

oh yes... im being facetious... as all hell... it is amazing that the
jets have those weapons and cant score shit... that is AMAZING to
me...

as far as execution of the jet offense... im in favor of it :-)


== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 9:06 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:b22fe543-a379-46d6-b741-876ebe6e457c@i17g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 14, 11:21 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:351871ac-5bcc-446a-aa84-4bb96c2d07fb@y31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 10:55 pm, " ` . . \)R v sf n @\( ` . . "
>
>
>
>
>
> <steroid.curt...@1970s.steelers.com> wrote:
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:5f75957f-869d-421c-bc80-49cda6db37ca@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 14, 4:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > The Steelers are called the classiest club in the NFL
>
> > LMAO! ...and whom is it that calls the steelers the classiest club
> > sticky
> > booby ...Porter or Harrison, ...both? U R such a Potsie sometimes!
>
> > > so the Jets should try
> > > to play the game fairly for a change.
>
> > all bets are off with the squeelers. if the jets assistants want to
> > trip them up on the sidelines i have no problem with that. if they
> > took baseball bats and hit the steelers over the head i'd have no
> > problem with that. if they punch rapistberger in the face again, i
> > have no problem with that. the steelers have gotten a steady supply
> > of "favors" from the league officials that cost two teams superbowls
> > and other teams a chance to play in a superbowl and who knows how many
> > individial games were handed to to them at the expense of other hard
> > working teams.
> > ---------
>
> > JHC the sky is falling, ...we actually agree about the sPlittsburgh
> > Feelers.
> > Must be that "blind squirrel finds a nut" theory at work.
>
> > . . ) D r e w ( ` . .
> > RavNsfan
> > NNTP-Posting-Host: " news.qis.net "
>
> > "user.speranza.aioe.org"
> > a "free anonymous foreign remailer" used by welfare
> > cheats and trailer-park trash posting under others nicks
>
> btw, drew... did you ever find the answer to my question ??? when did
> the ravens first use the bear front ??? if you dont know, I can help
> you if you like... and another question for you... when was the first
> time the ravens started using press coverage while overloading one
> side of the defensive line ??? traits that have stuck with the ravens
> for some time now... and now the jets... since rex ryan had nothing
> to do with the ranvesn defense his first year, it could not have been
> 1999 that we first saw those things in baltimore ;-) or could it
> have been ???
>
> LOL...or better yet....why is it those schemes look so familiarly like
> schemes used by Buddy Ryan??????- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

indeed... :-) though, the buddy ryan defense with the steady supply
of bear front, somthing new at the time, would not work these days...
it has been figured out... rex just mixes it in from time to time and
usually the post snap defense does somthing a bit different from the
bear front lign up any way... if i remember correctly, walsh came up
with the short passing version of the west coast in order to defeat
the 46 defense. or at least that is what i think i remember...

In general that's right......and what I think we are seeing now is BB has
come up with a new O scheme to beat the teams that play the "Tampa 2" or
various halves schemes with the vaunted shut down corners....the game is
evolving back to one to be played in the middle and with TE's and RB's
coming out...it is really smart because with all the specialization of the D
backs this is the way to go.....BB effectively took Revis and Cromartie out
of the game, lessened their ability to do anything significant. As for
the old D's....you mix and match....the allignments and overloads came from
the 46 and sliding a 4-3 defense and then exchanging a LB for a DB.....then
add a man under zone deep to it...it can keep going...but I really think it
will, as D's do, always react to what an offense does...so I expect to see
some coaches going to more of what we see NE doing now....by next season
there will be some others doing it...then the D's will have to change again.
OMHO.....I have gotten so I just like watching a good game, and I'm not as
particular about who is playing it...it's hard to watch the Jets from any
position but an avid fan because it has become very sloppy.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: More proof that Schott is a football half-wit.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5e3a9399d9a4929e?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 6:38 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 14, 7:06 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 6:41 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:b64d5c2e-43a0-43be-bc37-5339bc106699@l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > I'm pleased that on 1050 ESPN Radio this morning, I heard a qualified
> > > commentator mention this little bit of info...
>
> > > What kind of QB is Sanchez ???  What is his strength ??? What sort of
> > > QB has a two year QB not become just yet ??? Where might such a young
> > > QB struggle ???
>
> > > We have ALL  seen that Sanchez is at his best when he can cash in on
> > > his great strength.... His mobility.
>
> > > We have ALL seen Sanchez at his best when the offense is allowed to
> > > flow... Where he gets into his groove...
>
> > > We have also ALL seen Sanchez have his problems with his reads where
> > > he gets confused, lets the ball go late and gets into a funk.  This
> > > would be a typical problem of any inexperienced QB no matter how
> > > fantastic their skill set what.
>
> > > So... What does Shotty do ???
>
> > > Lots of garbage motion at the LOS intended to make the defense "show
> > > their hand" while Sanchez sits there and waits to the last second to
> > > snap the ball... As if Sanchez had Peyton Mannig's experience...
>
> > > What Schotty should be doing is running an offense that allows Sanchez
> > > to simply... play football... Get his feet involved in the game.
> > > Force the defense to have to cover the entire width of the field.
> > > Loosen it up.... Let him make plays on the move...
>
> > > Instead... Schotty would rather stuff a square peg in a round hole.
>
> > > What a brilliant OC we have.
>
> > > I am actually going to write a letter next season to the ticket office
> > > respectfully explaining my reason for canceling tickets that have been
> > > in my family since the early 70's.  I don't buy garbage products.
>
> > > To you guys defending Schott... Or... more to the point... The ones
> > > that are beginning to bastardize their defense of that charlatan.
>
> > > Please don't take this as a personal assault.  I'm not saying you are
> > > no good... Just Schotty...
>
> > > Remember... If all the jets had was just a smidgeon of offensive
> > > ability at their OC position, they win Ravens, GB and Miami and no one
> > > is pointing to us as a laughing stock.
>
> > > This guy is worse that Paul Hacket by a good deal. Hacket was
> > > conservative... Shotty is blatantly incompetent.
>
> >   Yup. So why doesn't the head coach see any of this?
>
> > --
>
> >www.myconeyislandmemories.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Schotty play could cost Jets OC his job-ESPN
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
>
> FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- The franchise quarterback was in danger of being
> benched, the offensive line allowed six sacks Sunday, the
> underperforming three starting wideouts and tight end are the best
> combination of weapons the New York Jets have had in at least a
> decade, and the running back combination of LaDainian Tomlinson and
> Shonn Greene should be good enough to get things done, if used as a
> tag team.
>
> All of which makes you wonder if Jets offensive coordinator Brian
> Schottenheimer isn't working to keep his job these last three weeks of
> the regular season if the team's offense doesn't turn around soon.
>
> The Jets' two-game losing streak -- a 45-3 meltdown against New
> England, and now the slapstick offense they ran in the rain during
> their 10-6 loss to division-rival Miami on Sunday -- isn't the only
> reason that Schottenheimer should be on notice with the Jets staring
> at a season-closing stretch of games that takes them to Pittsburgh and
> Chicago the next two weeks to play two of the best, most physically
> punishing defenses in the league.
>
> What's been more disturbing is the way the overall season has taken
> shape.
> Brian Schottenheimer better shape up the offense -- or he might be
> shipped out of New York.
> When Rex Ryan ticked off all that's wrong with the Jets' offense right
> now, he mentioned quarterback Mark Sanchez, the offensive line, the
> wideouts, the running game and the overall execution of plays.
> "Other than that, we're fine," Ryan said. And for once, he wasn't
> joking.
> The mood at the Jets' complex was funereal on Monday. Not defiant, not
> indomitable.
> "I think we're confident, but you know, we're not blind either," Ryan
> said. "We see the tape, and we can't beat a good football team if we
> play like that. The defense had a terrific game [Sunday], but
> offensively, you're not going to beat anybody if you make the kind of
> mistakes we made.
>
> "I look at it and, I mean, we have the talent to play better. I know
> we do. We have the talent on our coaching staff to get this thing
> taught better."
>
> Ryan eventually said Schottenheimer "does a heckuva job" when asked
> directly about his offensive coordinator's job performance. But it
> felt like lip service.
>
> Ryan was concerned enough about the offense to sit down Monday and
> look at tape of the running game. He had to see for himself why
> Miami's tacklers were "running free" to tackle the Jets' running
> backs, who averaged only 2.8 yards a try. For weeks now, he's held
> Friday meetings with Sanchez and Schottenheimer, chiming in on what he
> sees.
>
> The hard truth lately isn't pretty. The Jets haven't scored a
> touchdown in any of their four losses this year. Even in some of the
> games they've won, they haven't moved the ball well. Turnovers have
> been a problem. They haven't had a touchdown drive in the opening
> quarter for nine straight games, and they've often relied on last-
> minute offensive miracles to escape. Still, their pat answer -- even
> Monday -- is it's all fixable.
> A fix any time now would be good.
> It's impossible to contend anymore that the New England loss didn't
> shake this Jets team to its core. They had a chance to make a
> statement against Miami on Sunday. Instead, Ryan admittedly thought of
> benching Sanchez during his scatter-shot 17-for-44 performance. And
> when the Jets' offensive players dragged themselves into the locker
> room, it was disturbing to hear the words they chose to describe what
> had happened:
>
> "A huge shock," said veteran guard Brandon Moore.
>
> "Confusing," said Dustin Keller.
>
> "Horrible," said center Nick Mangold.
>
> Sanchez felt things were dire enough to address the offense as a whole
> Monday, and urge everyone to "lean on each other."
>
> Even 13 games into this season, it's still hard to say what the Jets'
> offense is -- beyond simply talented. They say they want to be an all-
> weather, ground-and-pound team. But they're not. On Sunday, they ran a
> doomed Wildcat option play instead on fourth-and-2 and threw the ball
> nearly 50 times in a rain-slicked game in which they needed only a
> touchdown to tie or win right down to their last play. They say they
> have weapons at every skill position, but they haven't been able to
> integrate or exploit them all in any consistently effective way.
>
> A lot of that has to fall on Schottenheimer, not just his second-year
> quarterback.
>
> Ryan would never admit Schottenheimer -- a holdover from the Eric
> Mangini regime, remember -- is in jeopardy. Not with so much left to
> play for this season. But the cries that Schottenheimer's play-calling
> is too predictable won't go away when the Jets go out and run the ball
> on 19 of their 26 first-down plays Sunday. And Ryan admitted Monday
> that telling Sanchez to spike the ball and waste a down with more than
> a minute still left against Miami was bad time management.
>
> Schottenheimer's close relationship with Sanchez will certainly help
> him in any eventual deliberations about whether he stays or goes.
>
> But this is the hard truth too: The Jets' franchise has hitched itself
> to Sanchez. This team goes as Sanchez goes. His development is the
> most important on-field issue the team has.
>
> If Sanchez keeps regressing like he has the past few weeks -- earning
> what Ryan called "a blunt force trauma" evaluation from him Monday --
> even the perception that Sanchez's development has stalled could get
> Schottenheimer fired.
>
> "Could get fired" hasn't turned to "should get fired." Yet.
>
> But it's fair to start wondering.
>
> The Steelers aren't the sort of team you expect any offense to get fat
> and happy against. Especially in Pittsburgh. The Steelers' blitzes are
> relentless. Their defenders hit like they want to see opponents'
> molars skittering across the turf.
>
> Considering the Dolphins left town with three or four players openly
> mocking the Jets' toughness -- "We're not going to call them front-
> runners," Miami wideout Brandon Marshall said, "but we noticed that
> when you get out and score fast, hit them in the mouth fast, they tend
> to be the ones getting off the ground second" -- how might the
> Steelers try to beat up the Jets? And then the Bears in Chicago after
> that?
>
> It could get ugly for Sanchez and the Jets' offense before it gets
> better.
>
> Schottenheimer better hope not.
>
> For his own sake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

About time they started writing Shotty up. Three years late is better
than never. I was beginning to wonder what the hell was taking so
long. A ray of hope. If they can his ass it will make me VERY happy
and it will make the Jets a much better team with one swift stroke...
Get his ass outa there now.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 6:44 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:7803a75f-4d2e-40f8-8f34-fb75d5659b4a@fm22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 14, 7:06 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 6:41 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:b64d5c2e-43a0-43be-bc37-5339bc106699@l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > I'm pleased that on 1050 ESPN Radio this morning, I heard a qualified
> > > commentator mention this little bit of info...
>
> > > What kind of QB is Sanchez ??? What is his strength ??? What sort of
> > > QB has a two year QB not become just yet ??? Where might such a young
> > > QB struggle ???
>
> > > We have ALL seen that Sanchez is at his best when he can cash in on
> > > his great strength.... His mobility.
>
> > > We have ALL seen Sanchez at his best when the offense is allowed to
> > > flow... Where he gets into his groove...
>
> > > We have also ALL seen Sanchez have his problems with his reads where
> > > he gets confused, lets the ball go late and gets into a funk. This
> > > would be a typical problem of any inexperienced QB no matter how
> > > fantastic their skill set what.
>
> > > So... What does Shotty do ???
>
> > > Lots of garbage motion at the LOS intended to make the defense "show
> > > their hand" while Sanchez sits there and waits to the last second to
> > > snap the ball... As if Sanchez had Peyton Mannig's experience...
>
> > > What Schotty should be doing is running an offense that allows Sanchez
> > > to simply... play football... Get his feet involved in the game.
> > > Force the defense to have to cover the entire width of the field.
> > > Loosen it up.... Let him make plays on the move...
>
> > > Instead... Schotty would rather stuff a square peg in a round hole.
>
> > > What a brilliant OC we have.
>
> > > I am actually going to write a letter next season to the ticket office
> > > respectfully explaining my reason for canceling tickets that have been
> > > in my family since the early 70's. I don't buy garbage products.
>
> > > To you guys defending Schott... Or... more to the point... The ones
> > > that are beginning to bastardize their defense of that charlatan.
>
> > > Please don't take this as a personal assault. I'm not saying you are
> > > no good... Just Schotty...
>
> > > Remember... If all the jets had was just a smidgeon of offensive
> > > ability at their OC position, they win Ravens, GB and Miami and no one
> > > is pointing to us as a laughing stock.
>
> > > This guy is worse that Paul Hacket by a good deal. Hacket was
> > > conservative... Shotty is blatantly incompetent.
>
> > Yup. So why doesn't the head coach see any of this?
>
> > --
>
> >www.myconeyislandmemories.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Schotty play could cost Jets OC his job-ESPN
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�-----
>
> FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- The franchise quarterback was in danger of being
> benched, the offensive line allowed six sacks Sunday, the
> underperforming three starting wideouts and tight end are the best
> combination of weapons the New York Jets have had in at least a
> decade, and the running back combination of LaDainian Tomlinson and
> Shonn Greene should be good enough to get things done, if used as a
> tag team.
>
> All of which makes you wonder if Jets offensive coordinator Brian
> Schottenheimer isn't working to keep his job these last three weeks of
> the regular season if the team's offense doesn't turn around soon.
>
> The Jets' two-game losing streak -- a 45-3 meltdown against New
> England, and now the slapstick offense they ran in the rain during
> their 10-6 loss to division-rival Miami on Sunday -- isn't the only
> reason that Schottenheimer should be on notice with the Jets staring
> at a season-closing stretch of games that takes them to Pittsburgh and
> Chicago the next two weeks to play two of the best, most physically
> punishing defenses in the league.
>
> What's been more disturbing is the way the overall season has taken
> shape.
> Brian Schottenheimer better shape up the offense -- or he might be
> shipped out of New York.
> When Rex Ryan ticked off all that's wrong with the Jets' offense right
> now, he mentioned quarterback Mark Sanchez, the offensive line, the
> wideouts, the running game and the overall execution of plays.
> "Other than that, we're fine," Ryan said. And for once, he wasn't
> joking.
> The mood at the Jets' complex was funereal on Monday. Not defiant, not
> indomitable.
> "I think we're confident, but you know, we're not blind either," Ryan
> said. "We see the tape, and we can't beat a good football team if we
> play like that. The defense had a terrific game [Sunday], but
> offensively, you're not going to beat anybody if you make the kind of
> mistakes we made.
>
> "I look at it and, I mean, we have the talent to play better. I know
> we do. We have the talent on our coaching staff to get this thing
> taught better."
>
> Ryan eventually said Schottenheimer "does a heckuva job" when asked
> directly about his offensive coordinator's job performance. But it
> felt like lip service.
>
> Ryan was concerned enough about the offense to sit down Monday and
> look at tape of the running game. He had to see for himself why
> Miami's tacklers were "running free" to tackle the Jets' running
> backs, who averaged only 2.8 yards a try. For weeks now, he's held
> Friday meetings with Sanchez and Schottenheimer, chiming in on what he
> sees.
>
> The hard truth lately isn't pretty. The Jets haven't scored a
> touchdown in any of their four losses this year. Even in some of the
> games they've won, they haven't moved the ball well. Turnovers have
> been a problem. They haven't had a touchdown drive in the opening
> quarter for nine straight games, and they've often relied on last-
> minute offensive miracles to escape. Still, their pat answer -- even
> Monday -- is it's all fixable.
> A fix any time now would be good.
> It's impossible to contend anymore that the New England loss didn't
> shake this Jets team to its core. They had a chance to make a
> statement against Miami on Sunday. Instead, Ryan admittedly thought of
> benching Sanchez during his scatter-shot 17-for-44 performance. And
> when the Jets' offensive players dragged themselves into the locker
> room, it was disturbing to hear the words they chose to describe what
> had happened:
>
> "A huge shock," said veteran guard Brandon Moore.
>
> "Confusing," said Dustin Keller.
>
> "Horrible," said center Nick Mangold.
>
> Sanchez felt things were dire enough to address the offense as a whole
> Monday, and urge everyone to "lean on each other."
>
> Even 13 games into this season, it's still hard to say what the Jets'
> offense is -- beyond simply talented. They say they want to be an all-
> weather, ground-and-pound team. But they're not. On Sunday, they ran a
> doomed Wildcat option play instead on fourth-and-2 and threw the ball
> nearly 50 times in a rain-slicked game in which they needed only a
> touchdown to tie or win right down to their last play. They say they
> have weapons at every skill position, but they haven't been able to
> integrate or exploit them all in any consistently effective way.
>
> A lot of that has to fall on Schottenheimer, not just his second-year
> quarterback.
>
> Ryan would never admit Schottenheimer -- a holdover from the Eric
> Mangini regime, remember -- is in jeopardy. Not with so much left to
> play for this season. But the cries that Schottenheimer's play-calling
> is too predictable won't go away when the Jets go out and run the ball
> on 19 of their 26 first-down plays Sunday. And Ryan admitted Monday
> that telling Sanchez to spike the ball and waste a down with more than
> a minute still left against Miami was bad time management.
>
> Schottenheimer's close relationship with Sanchez will certainly help
> him in any eventual deliberations about whether he stays or goes.
>
> But this is the hard truth too: The Jets' franchise has hitched itself
> to Sanchez. This team goes as Sanchez goes. His development is the
> most important on-field issue the team has.
>
> If Sanchez keeps regressing like he has the past few weeks -- earning
> what Ryan called "a blunt force trauma" evaluation from him Monday --
> even the perception that Sanchez's development has stalled could get
> Schottenheimer fired.
>
> "Could get fired" hasn't turned to "should get fired." Yet.
>
> But it's fair to start wondering.
>
> The Steelers aren't the sort of team you expect any offense to get fat
> and happy against. Especially in Pittsburgh. The Steelers' blitzes are
> relentless. Their defenders hit like they want to see opponents'
> molars skittering across the turf.
>
> Considering the Dolphins left town with three or four players openly
> mocking the Jets' toughness -- "We're not going to call them front-
> runners," Miami wideout Brandon Marshall said, "but we noticed that
> when you get out and score fast, hit them in the mouth fast, they tend
> to be the ones getting off the ground second" -- how might the
> Steelers try to beat up the Jets? And then the Bears in Chicago after
> that?
>
> It could get ugly for Sanchez and the Jets' offense before it gets
> better.
>
> Schottenheimer better hope not.
>
> For his own sake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

About time they started writing Shotty up. Three years late is better
than never. I was beginning to wonder what the hell was taking so
long. A ray of hope. If they can his ass it will make me VERY happy
and it will make the Jets a much better team with one swift stroke...
Get his ass outa there now.

But Michael, don't forget that some of us who said this a while back are
just cowards and agitators...God forbid somebody sees what is really
happening. They have a freakin mountain to climb to even have a chance the
next two weeks.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 6:59 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 14, 9:44 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:7803a75f-4d2e-40f8-8f34-fb75d5659b4a@fm22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 7:06 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 14, 6:41 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:b64d5c2e-43a0-43be-bc37-5339bc106699@l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > I'm pleased that on 1050 ESPN Radio this morning, I heard a qualified
> > > > commentator mention this little bit of info...
>
> > > > What kind of QB is Sanchez ??? What is his strength ??? What sort of
> > > > QB has a two year QB not become just yet ??? Where might such a young
> > > > QB struggle ???
>
> > > > We have ALL seen that Sanchez is at his best when he can cash in on
> > > > his great strength.... His mobility.
>
> > > > We have ALL seen Sanchez at his best when the offense is allowed to
> > > > flow... Where he gets into his groove...
>
> > > > We have also ALL seen Sanchez have his problems with his reads where
> > > > he gets confused, lets the ball go late and gets into a funk. This
> > > > would be a typical problem of any inexperienced QB no matter how
> > > > fantastic their skill set what.
>
> > > > So... What does Shotty do ???
>
> > > > Lots of garbage motion at the LOS intended to make the defense "show
> > > > their hand" while Sanchez sits there and waits to the last second to
> > > > snap the ball... As if Sanchez had Peyton Mannig's experience...
>
> > > > What Schotty should be doing is running an offense that allows Sanchez
> > > > to simply... play football... Get his feet involved in the game.
> > > > Force the defense to have to cover the entire width of the field.
> > > > Loosen it up.... Let him make plays on the move...
>
> > > > Instead... Schotty would rather stuff a square peg in a round hole.
>
> > > > What a brilliant OC we have.
>
> > > > I am actually going to write a letter next season to the ticket office
> > > > respectfully explaining my reason for canceling tickets that have been
> > > > in my family since the early 70's. I don't buy garbage products.
>
> > > > To you guys defending Schott... Or... more to the point... The ones
> > > > that are beginning to bastardize their defense of that charlatan.
>
> > > > Please don't take this as a personal assault. I'm not saying you are
> > > > no good... Just Schotty...
>
> > > > Remember... If all the jets had was just a smidgeon of offensive
> > > > ability at their OC position, they win Ravens, GB and Miami and no one
> > > > is pointing to us as a laughing stock.
>
> > > > This guy is worse that Paul Hacket by a good deal. Hacket was
> > > > conservative... Shotty is blatantly incompetent.
>
> > > Yup. So why doesn't the head coach see any of this?
>
> > > --
>
> > >www.myconeyislandmemories.com-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Schotty play could cost Jets OC his job-ESPN
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­ï¿½-----
>
> > FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- The franchise quarterback was in danger of being
> > benched, the offensive line allowed six sacks Sunday, the
> > underperforming three starting wideouts and tight end are the best
> > combination of weapons the New York Jets have had in at least a
> > decade, and the running back combination of LaDainian Tomlinson and
> > Shonn Greene should be good enough to get things done, if used as a
> > tag team.
>
> > All of which makes you wonder if Jets offensive coordinator Brian
> > Schottenheimer isn't working to keep his job these last three weeks of
> > the regular season if the team's offense doesn't turn around soon.
>
> > The Jets' two-game losing streak -- a 45-3 meltdown against New
> > England, and now the slapstick offense they ran in the rain during
> > their 10-6 loss to division-rival Miami on Sunday -- isn't the only
> > reason that Schottenheimer should be on notice with the Jets staring
> > at a season-closing stretch of games that takes them to Pittsburgh and
> > Chicago the next two weeks to play two of the best, most physically
> > punishing defenses in the league.
>
> > What's been more disturbing is the way the overall season has taken
> > shape.
> > Brian Schottenheimer better shape up the offense -- or he might be
> > shipped out of New York.
> > When Rex Ryan ticked off all that's wrong with the Jets' offense right
> > now, he mentioned quarterback Mark Sanchez, the offensive line, the
> > wideouts, the running game and the overall execution of plays.
> > "Other than that, we're fine," Ryan said. And for once, he wasn't
> > joking.
> > The mood at the Jets' complex was funereal on Monday. Not defiant, not
> > indomitable.
> > "I think we're confident, but you know, we're not blind either," Ryan
> > said. "We see the tape, and we can't beat a good football team if we
> > play like that. The defense had a terrific game [Sunday], but
> > offensively, you're not going to beat anybody if you make the kind of
> > mistakes we made.
>
> > "I look at it and, I mean, we have the talent to play better. I know
> > we do. We have the talent on our coaching staff to get this thing
> > taught better."
>
> > Ryan eventually said Schottenheimer "does a heckuva job" when asked
> > directly about his offensive coordinator's job performance. But it
> > felt like lip service.
>
> > Ryan was concerned enough about the offense to sit down Monday and
> > look at tape of the running game. He had to see for himself why
> > Miami's tacklers were "running free" to tackle the Jets' running
> > backs, who averaged only 2.8 yards a try. For weeks now, he's held
> > Friday meetings with Sanchez and Schottenheimer, chiming in on what he
> > sees.
>
> > The hard truth lately isn't pretty. The Jets haven't scored a
> > touchdown in any of their four losses this year. Even in some of the
> > games they've won, they haven't moved the ball well. Turnovers have
> > been a problem. They haven't had a touchdown drive in the opening
> > quarter for nine straight games, and they've often relied on last-
> > minute offensive miracles to escape. Still, their pat answer -- even
> > Monday -- is it's all fixable.
> > A fix any time now would be good.
> > It's impossible to contend anymore that the New England loss didn't
> > shake this Jets team to its core. They had a chance to make a
> > statement against Miami on Sunday. Instead, Ryan admittedly thought of
> > benching Sanchez during his scatter-shot 17-for-44 performance. And
> > when the Jets' offensive players dragged themselves into the locker
> > room, it was disturbing to hear the words they chose to describe what
> > had happened:
>
> > "A huge shock," said veteran guard Brandon Moore.
>
> > "Confusing," said Dustin Keller.
>
> > "Horrible," said center Nick Mangold.
>
> > Sanchez felt things were dire enough to address the offense as a whole
> > Monday, and urge everyone to "lean on each other."
>
> > Even 13 games into this season, it's still hard to say what the Jets'
> > offense is -- beyond simply talented. They say they want to be an all-
> > weather, ground-and-pound team. But they're not. On Sunday, they ran a
> > doomed Wildcat option play instead on fourth-and-2 and threw the ball
> > nearly 50 times in a rain-slicked game in which they needed only a
> > touchdown to tie or win right down to their last play. They say they
> > have weapons at every skill position, but they haven't been able to
> > integrate or exploit them all in any consistently effective way.
>
> > A lot of that has to fall on Schottenheimer, not just his second-year
> > quarterback.
>
> > Ryan would never admit Schottenheimer -- a holdover from the Eric
> > Mangini regime, remember -- is in jeopardy. Not with so much left to
> > play for this season. But the cries that Schottenheimer's play-calling
> > is too predictable won't go away when the Jets go out and run the ball
> > on 19 of their 26 first-down plays Sunday. And Ryan admitted Monday
> > that telling Sanchez to spike the ball and waste a down with more than
> > a minute still left against Miami was bad time management.
>
> > Schottenheimer's close relationship with Sanchez will certainly help
> > him in any eventual deliberations about whether he stays or goes.
>
> > But this is the hard truth too: The Jets' franchise has hitched itself
> > to Sanchez. This team goes as Sanchez goes. His development is the
> > most important on-field issue the team has.
>
> > If Sanchez keeps regressing like he has the past few weeks -- earning
> > what Ryan called "a blunt force trauma" evaluation from him Monday --
> > even the perception that Sanchez's development has stalled could get
> > Schottenheimer fired.
>
> > "Could get fired" hasn't turned to "should get fired." Yet.
>
> > But it's fair to start wondering.
>
> > The Steelers aren't the sort of team you expect any offense to get fat
> > and happy against. Especially in Pittsburgh. The Steelers' blitzes are
> > relentless. Their defenders hit like they want to see opponents'
> > molars skittering across the turf.
>
> > Considering the Dolphins left town with three or four players openly
> > mocking the Jets' toughness -- "We're not going to call them front-
> > runners," Miami wideout Brandon Marshall said, "but we noticed that
> > when you get out and score fast, hit them in the mouth fast, they tend
> > to be the ones getting off the ground second" -- how might the
> > Steelers try to beat up the Jets? And then the Bears in Chicago after
> > that?
>
> > It could get ugly for Sanchez and the Jets' offense before it gets
> > better.
>
> > Schottenheimer better hope not.
>
> > For his own sake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> About time they started writing Shotty up.  Three years late is better
> than never.  I was beginning to wonder what the hell was taking so
> long.   A ray of hope.  If they can his ass it will make me VERY happy
> and it will make the Jets a much better team with one swift stroke...
> Get his ass outa there now.
>
> But Michael, don't forget that some of us who said this a while back are
> just cowards and agitators...God forbid somebody sees what is really
> happening.  They have a freakin mountain to climb to even have a chance the
> next two weeks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

papa... you are going to begin to see people bastardizing their
defense of this guy... one by one... they wont can him this season,
but if my guess is correct, shotty is now going to be silently
religated to figure head status for the rest of this season while the
offense is run by others. they will speak all sunshine and roses
about him and send him off with a good referance next season. it is
like i said... schotty is woody's guy... was i mean... woody is not a
perfect football man, but he does not want to be made a laughing stock
of... that drive is much stronger than the one he has not to admit he
keep a guy that had him hoodwinked into thinking he was very capable.
i also got some news for the jet fans pointing to rex for all the
garbage clock management. rex is taking the rap for himself, but that
was all schotty...


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 8:17 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:9cb4ab3c-be08-48f0-b7b1-de78609298e9@k13g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 14, 9:44 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:7803a75f-4d2e-40f8-8f34-fb75d5659b4a@fm22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 7:06 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 14, 6:41 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:b64d5c2e-43a0-43be-bc37-5339bc106699@l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > I'm pleased that on 1050 ESPN Radio this morning, I heard a
> > > > qualified
> > > > commentator mention this little bit of info...
>
> > > > What kind of QB is Sanchez ??? What is his strength ??? What sort of
> > > > QB has a two year QB not become just yet ??? Where might such a
> > > > young
> > > > QB struggle ???
>
> > > > We have ALL seen that Sanchez is at his best when he can cash in on
> > > > his great strength.... His mobility.
>
> > > > We have ALL seen Sanchez at his best when the offense is allowed to
> > > > flow... Where he gets into his groove...
>
> > > > We have also ALL seen Sanchez have his problems with his reads where
> > > > he gets confused, lets the ball go late and gets into a funk. This
> > > > would be a typical problem of any inexperienced QB no matter how
> > > > fantastic their skill set what.
>
> > > > So... What does Shotty do ???
>
> > > > Lots of garbage motion at the LOS intended to make the defense "show
> > > > their hand" while Sanchez sits there and waits to the last second to
> > > > snap the ball... As if Sanchez had Peyton Mannig's experience...
>
> > > > What Schotty should be doing is running an offense that allows
> > > > Sanchez
> > > > to simply... play football... Get his feet involved in the game.
> > > > Force the defense to have to cover the entire width of the field.
> > > > Loosen it up.... Let him make plays on the move...
>
> > > > Instead... Schotty would rather stuff a square peg in a round hole.
>
> > > > What a brilliant OC we have.
>
> > > > I am actually going to write a letter next season to the ticket
> > > > office
> > > > respectfully explaining my reason for canceling tickets that have
> > > > been
> > > > in my family since the early 70's. I don't buy garbage products.
>
> > > > To you guys defending Schott... Or... more to the point... The ones
> > > > that are beginning to bastardize their defense of that charlatan.
>
> > > > Please don't take this as a personal assault. I'm not saying you are
> > > > no good... Just Schotty...
>
> > > > Remember... If all the jets had was just a smidgeon of offensive
> > > > ability at their OC position, they win Ravens, GB and Miami and no
> > > > one
> > > > is pointing to us as a laughing stock.
>
> > > > This guy is worse that Paul Hacket by a good deal. Hacket was
> > > > conservative... Shotty is blatantly incompetent.
>
> > > Yup. So why doesn't the head coach see any of this?
>
> > > --
>
> > >www.myconeyislandmemories.com-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Schotty play could cost Jets OC his job-ESPN
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------��-----
>
> > FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- The franchise quarterback was in danger of being
> > benched, the offensive line allowed six sacks Sunday, the
> > underperforming three starting wideouts and tight end are the best
> > combination of weapons the New York Jets have had in at least a
> > decade, and the running back combination of LaDainian Tomlinson and
> > Shonn Greene should be good enough to get things done, if used as a
> > tag team.
>
> > All of which makes you wonder if Jets offensive coordinator Brian
> > Schottenheimer isn't working to keep his job these last three weeks of
> > the regular season if the team's offense doesn't turn around soon.
>
> > The Jets' two-game losing streak -- a 45-3 meltdown against New
> > England, and now the slapstick offense they ran in the rain during
> > their 10-6 loss to division-rival Miami on Sunday -- isn't the only
> > reason that Schottenheimer should be on notice with the Jets staring
> > at a season-closing stretch of games that takes them to Pittsburgh and
> > Chicago the next two weeks to play two of the best, most physically
> > punishing defenses in the league.
>
> > What's been more disturbing is the way the overall season has taken
> > shape.
> > Brian Schottenheimer better shape up the offense -- or he might be
> > shipped out of New York.
> > When Rex Ryan ticked off all that's wrong with the Jets' offense right
> > now, he mentioned quarterback Mark Sanchez, the offensive line, the
> > wideouts, the running game and the overall execution of plays.
> > "Other than that, we're fine," Ryan said. And for once, he wasn't
> > joking.
> > The mood at the Jets' complex was funereal on Monday. Not defiant, not
> > indomitable.
> > "I think we're confident, but you know, we're not blind either," Ryan
> > said. "We see the tape, and we can't beat a good football team if we
> > play like that. The defense had a terrific game [Sunday], but
> > offensively, you're not going to beat anybody if you make the kind of
> > mistakes we made.
>
> > "I look at it and, I mean, we have the talent to play better. I know
> > we do. We have the talent on our coaching staff to get this thing
> > taught better."
>
> > Ryan eventually said Schottenheimer "does a heckuva job" when asked
> > directly about his offensive coordinator's job performance. But it
> > felt like lip service.
>
> > Ryan was concerned enough about the offense to sit down Monday and
> > look at tape of the running game. He had to see for himself why
> > Miami's tacklers were "running free" to tackle the Jets' running
> > backs, who averaged only 2.8 yards a try. For weeks now, he's held
> > Friday meetings with Sanchez and Schottenheimer, chiming in on what he
> > sees.
>
> > The hard truth lately isn't pretty. The Jets haven't scored a
> > touchdown in any of their four losses this year. Even in some of the
> > games they've won, they haven't moved the ball well. Turnovers have
> > been a problem. They haven't had a touchdown drive in the opening
> > quarter for nine straight games, and they've often relied on last-
> > minute offensive miracles to escape. Still, their pat answer -- even
> > Monday -- is it's all fixable.
> > A fix any time now would be good.
> > It's impossible to contend anymore that the New England loss didn't
> > shake this Jets team to its core. They had a chance to make a
> > statement against Miami on Sunday. Instead, Ryan admittedly thought of
> > benching Sanchez during his scatter-shot 17-for-44 performance. And
> > when the Jets' offensive players dragged themselves into the locker
> > room, it was disturbing to hear the words they chose to describe what
> > had happened:
>
> > "A huge shock," said veteran guard Brandon Moore.
>
> > "Confusing," said Dustin Keller.
>
> > "Horrible," said center Nick Mangold.
>
> > Sanchez felt things were dire enough to address the offense as a whole
> > Monday, and urge everyone to "lean on each other."
>
> > Even 13 games into this season, it's still hard to say what the Jets'
> > offense is -- beyond simply talented. They say they want to be an all-
> > weather, ground-and-pound team. But they're not. On Sunday, they ran a
> > doomed Wildcat option play instead on fourth-and-2 and threw the ball
> > nearly 50 times in a rain-slicked game in which they needed only a
> > touchdown to tie or win right down to their last play. They say they
> > have weapons at every skill position, but they haven't been able to
> > integrate or exploit them all in any consistently effective way.
>
> > A lot of that has to fall on Schottenheimer, not just his second-year
> > quarterback.
>
> > Ryan would never admit Schottenheimer -- a holdover from the Eric
> > Mangini regime, remember -- is in jeopardy. Not with so much left to
> > play for this season. But the cries that Schottenheimer's play-calling
> > is too predictable won't go away when the Jets go out and run the ball
> > on 19 of their 26 first-down plays Sunday. And Ryan admitted Monday
> > that telling Sanchez to spike the ball and waste a down with more than
> > a minute still left against Miami was bad time management.
>
> > Schottenheimer's close relationship with Sanchez will certainly help
> > him in any eventual deliberations about whether he stays or goes.
>
> > But this is the hard truth too: The Jets' franchise has hitched itself
> > to Sanchez. This team goes as Sanchez goes. His development is the
> > most important on-field issue the team has.
>
> > If Sanchez keeps regressing like he has the past few weeks -- earning
> > what Ryan called "a blunt force trauma" evaluation from him Monday --
> > even the perception that Sanchez's development has stalled could get
> > Schottenheimer fired.
>
> > "Could get fired" hasn't turned to "should get fired." Yet.
>
> > But it's fair to start wondering.
>
> > The Steelers aren't the sort of team you expect any offense to get fat
> > and happy against. Especially in Pittsburgh. The Steelers' blitzes are
> > relentless. Their defenders hit like they want to see opponents'
> > molars skittering across the turf.
>
> > Considering the Dolphins left town with three or four players openly
> > mocking the Jets' toughness -- "We're not going to call them front-
> > runners," Miami wideout Brandon Marshall said, "but we noticed that
> > when you get out and score fast, hit them in the mouth fast, they tend
> > to be the ones getting off the ground second" -- how might the
> > Steelers try to beat up the Jets? And then the Bears in Chicago after
> > that?
>
> > It could get ugly for Sanchez and the Jets' offense before it gets
> > better.
>
> > Schottenheimer better hope not.
>
> > For his own sake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> About time they started writing Shotty up. Three years late is better
> than never. I was beginning to wonder what the hell was taking so
> long. A ray of hope. If they can his ass it will make me VERY happy
> and it will make the Jets a much better team with one swift stroke...
> Get his ass outa there now.
>
> But Michael, don't forget that some of us who said this a while back are
> just cowards and agitators...God forbid somebody sees what is really
> happening. They have a freakin mountain to climb to even have a chance the
> next two weeks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

papa... you are going to begin to see people bastardizing their
defense of this guy... one by one... they wont can him this season,
but if my guess is correct, shotty is now going to be silently
religated to figure head status for the rest of this season while the
offense is run by others. they will speak all sunshine and roses
about him and send him off with a good referance next season. it is
like i said... schotty is woody's guy... was i mean... woody is not a
perfect football man, but he does not want to be made a laughing stock
of... that drive is much stronger than the one he has not to admit he
keep a guy that had him hoodwinked into thinking he was very capable.
i also got some news for the jet fans pointing to rex for all the
garbage clock management. rex is taking the rap for himself, but that
was all schotty...

Some folks don't like to remember the history Rex's Dad had in the
game...his wars with Ditka and all that followed. Buddy had a tendency to
put all his focus on the defense too. Rex may have to do some serious
growing up as a complete coach. BB would be the guy to use as a model in
that. I don't like BB, but he has become a complete coach and not just a HC
who runs the D and has people around him to run the O. He saw a trend and
jumped on something mid season to make changes. I honestly think what he
pulled off in NE was brilliant, completely regearing the O mid
season.....all the years I was around the game, one phrase I always heard
was "you've gotta make adjustments".....Rex needs to make some big
adjustments...and that is precisely what Schott is incapable of doing
apparently.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 6:47 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:51:47 -0800 (PST), rt <bellinghamcpa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 12, 4:47 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:51:23 -0800 (PST), rt <bellingham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 12, 3:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:20:27 -0800 (PST), rt <bellingham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >Earlier this week I offered to trade Dan Henning for Schotty.
>>
>> >> >You guys may be cursed with a worse OC than we are, and that is saying
>> >> >something.
>>
>> >> Hey rt... I would take Henning in a heartbeat. He's been a good OC, so it may be the
>> >> talent on your O, especially at QB.
>>
>> >> >I miss the old days when both offenses were exciting.
>>
>> >> That was when Henning was our OC ;)
>>
>> >No my green friend.  THAT was when Tom Olivadotti was our DC.  ;-)
>>
>> So, now you're attacking my Martian heritage, are ya?
>>
>> BTW... congrats on an exciting win.
>> Listening to Rex on the post-game now... he may be getting it about our OC.
>> Said we have the talent on offense, that there's no excuse for no offense.
>> He aint dumb, so maybe he's putting it together... nah... he'll sign Schott to a lifetime
>> contract.
>
>Thank you for the congrats, I appreciate your sportsmanship. Other
>than the fact that any victory against the Jets is a great thing for
>us, there is very little to be happy about after that atrocious
>game... Oh wait- our punter kicks ass. There you go. A silver
>lining...

Yeah, Rex had a hardon for him... not that better field position would've meant anything,
as we had a bunch of opportunities in Fins territory.

>
>Why the hell was Schott sending LT between the tackles against our D
>which was obviously selling out against the run? Isn't that Shonn's
>job? LT has(or perhaps had) many skills, but being a "load" isn't a
>quality I remember. And the Dolphins have precisely one "above
>average" DE, yet there were plenty of snaps where Keller was charged
>with stopping Wake. How is that ever going to work?

Do you remember Robert Stack in "Airplane?" He was asked something like, should we turn
all the lights up on the runway, and he says, *no... that's what they'd expect."
That's what Schott reminds me of... he's always trying to outsmart himself. Just watch
all the motion before the snap, sometime. He puts so much into that, that Sanchez has to
to rush his reads, and the snap. All the while, defenses just stand there waiting to see
what the alignment is, after the motion. It fools no one, but the Jets offense.

>
>We've both got teams with some serious issues. How these issues will
>be addressed in 2011 should be very interesting.
>
>rt

Maybe it'll be addressed for them with a lockout ;)


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 6:47 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:17:42 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Dec 12, 6:24�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:20:27 -0800 (PST), rt <bellingham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Earlier this week I offered to trade Dan Henning for Schotty.
>>
>> >You guys may be cursed with a worse OC than we are, and that is saying
>> >something.
>>
>> Hey rt... I would take Henning in a heartbeat. �He's been a good OC, so it may be the
>> talent on your O, especially at QB.
>>
>>
>>
>> >I miss the old days when both offenses were exciting.
>>
>> That was when Henning was our OC �;)
>
>actually.... those were shula vs. walton teams... walton as OC under
>michaels and walton as HC.... todd and o'brien at QB and marino as
>fish qb. Those were the real fun games


There were a few in the late 90s too.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 6:55 pm
From: sam


In article <c9614be1-5fc5-45a4-b7c3-3b6777f18bb7
@r16g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, ritchie1965@gmail.com says...
>
> On Dec 14, 10:27�am, sam <s...@nospam.spam> wrote:
> > In article <2e8a15ab-bb1d-4371-9a30-93e3a44307b6
> > @z9g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>, ritchie1...@gmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 14, 5:04 am, Hoover <Hoov_Hoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > The Jets should have fired this loser on the spot.http://
> > > > sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/NFL-suspends-Jets-coach-
> > > > rest-of-season-for-tripp?urn=nfl-295447
> >
> > > I think the league should take it one step further, and ban him from
> > > ever working in the NFL again. He could have caused a career ending
> > > injury with his stupidity and carelessness. I believe the actions
> > > warrant a ban from working in the NFL again.
> >
> > He really stood up like a man, admitted he was wrong,
> > no excuses. That's got to count for something.
> >
> > s
>
> I really dont think he had much of a choice, he was caught red handed.
> Admitting he was wrong means absolutely nothing to me, he should be
> banned. "He really stood up like a man" please, give me a break! A
> real man wouldn't have done what he did.

A lot of people start making excuses. He didn't.

s


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 9:36 pm
From: graybeard


On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:36:02 -0800 (PST) marcman
<marcmanstudios@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 14, 4:25�pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 14, 10:31�am, marcman <marcmanstud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Dec 14, 6:17�am, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:> > I think the league should take it one step further, and ban him from
>> > > ever working in the NFL again. He could have caused a career ending
>> > > injury with his stupidity and carelessness. I believe the actions
>> > > warrant a ban from working in the NFL again.
>>
>> > Disagree because he didn't actually injure somebody.
>>
>> > But the Jets should have let him go.
>>
>> That he didn't hurt anyone doesn't matter, the possibility was there
>> because of his stupidity. He should pay the ultimate price and be
>> banned for good because of his stupid and irresponsible action.
>
>I was thinking of you when I responded to Harlan. If you get a chance
>please see my reply to him and offer commentary. Thanks.

You have to understand where these sanctimonious prattlers are coming
from. Obviously they have always worked in companies where an employee
who does one stupid thing after a meritorious career is summarily fired
and blacklisted for life.
--
graybeard


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 9:47 pm
From: Dale Hicks


In article <18kgg6lssfe0nfqujls795st72ihshii2g@4ax.com>,
graybeard@invalid.invalid says...
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:36:02 -0800 (PST) marcman
> <marcmanstudios@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Dec 14, 4:25 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 14, 10:31 am, marcman <marcmanstud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Dec 14, 6:17 am, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:> > I think the league should take it one step further, and ban him from
> >> > > ever working in the NFL again. He could have caused a career ending
> >> > > injury with his stupidity and carelessness. I believe the actions
> >> > > warrant a ban from working in the NFL again.
> >>
> >> > Disagree because he didn't actually injure somebody.
> >>
> >> > But the Jets should have let him go.
> >>
> >> That he didn't hurt anyone doesn't matter, the possibility was there
> >> because of his stupidity. He should pay the ultimate price and be
> >> banned for good because of his stupid and irresponsible action.
> >
> >I was thinking of you when I responded to Harlan. If you get a chance
> >please see my reply to him and offer commentary. Thanks.
>
> You have to understand where these sanctimonious prattlers are coming
> from. Obviously they have always worked in companies where an employee
> who does one stupid thing after a meritorious career is summarily fired
> and blacklisted for life.

Generally, one assault is considered to be a pretty big deal.

--
Cranial Crusader dgh 1138 at bell south point net

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 7:07 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:30:54 -0500, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:

>In article <4jocg6hfvpk4ba9f6kftril2sn8vftukog@4ax.com>,
> buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:03:14 -0500, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <jg9bg61e2l6srhbeiqlhpag5t2ekiqq7em@4ax.com>,
>> > buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> What is Rex's problem, is that he thought he could focus on D, and leave
>> >> the
>> >> O to Schott
>> >> (and the STs to Westhoff).
>> >> I still don't know if Rex realizes he's the HC, and as such, needs to be
>> >> more
>> >> involved
>> >> with the O. I know he had a meeting with Sanchez this week, so maybe he's
>> >> starting to get
>> >> it.
>> >
>> >Burf, you are right the problem is Shott, but John and David are right
>> >that Rex is not the answer and may be responsible for some of Shotts'
>> >worst flaws.
>> >
>> >Rex wants a conservative offense that does not screw thing up for his D.
>> >For reasons I do not understand, he does not want an offense as
>> >attacking as defense and special teams.
>> >
>> >Shott needs to have the reins pulled from him for reasons enumerated in
>> >another post. But they should not be handed to Rex. He cannot hold the
>> >reins until he gets that the job of the offense is to win games by
>> >attacking the opponent's defense.
>> >
>> >harlan
>>
>> We'll disagree on this, Harlan.
>> So, Rex & Tanny brought in Braylon & Holmes, to be part of a conservative O?
>> Tell me, how this O, is any different than the one we had before Rex got
>> here?
>> The best as I can read what happened, is that Rex thought he could get away
>> with giving
>> the whole O to Schott, and that would take care of it... just like he gave
>> the STs to
>> Westhoff.
>> He didn't understand that he was coach of the whole team, and not just the D.
>>
>> When the O was playing well, for that brief period after the first half of
>> the first Pats
>> game, was that O conservative? Or even, the *smashmouth* everyone likes to
>> talk about?
>> No... it actually was attacking the opposing Ds. Then, opposing Ds adjusted,
>> and outside
>> of a few end-of-game hurryup successes, the O has been nothing.
>>
>> Rex has just been a no-show, as far as taking charge of the whole team, and I
>> don't mean
>> he should call offensive plays. Just to push Schott to come up with
>> something different,
>> if he's not going to fire him.
>
>Bur, I cannot believe Rex has nothing to do with the insistence on
>carrying extra tight ends and FB and all the sets with extra tight ends
>that make it easier for teams to stop our running game because they
>replace would be receivers with stiffs and allow the D to rush more.
>
>Rex can only show he is not involved by getting rid of Shott and having
>those aspects of our playbook disappear before it is too late.
>

Obviously, he's involved to a point. Some of the extra TEs, I imagine, were kept because
LG was a question mark.

All we can do is read between the lines.
Here's another one...
Rex was interviewed by Michael Kay on Monday. One of Kay's last questions, was about
Schott. Rex wouldn't throw him under the bus, one of Rex's strong points, but he said
some curious things.
When he speaks of the D, he always speaks as if the D is his.
When he spoke of Schott, and the other O coaches, he spoke of *the guys over there.*
There's a separation between him & the O... and the STs.

I think Rex's biggest challenge, is to take charge of the whole team. It's fine to
delegate, but ya still have to be involved. He seems to be doing more of it, as he's been
meeting with Schott & Sanchez recently... something one would expect they always did.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 7:20 pm
From: Tutor


On Dec 13, 2:44 pm, John Vamp <jvampate...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 7:23 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > on both sides of the ball.
>
> ???????
>
> The offense was bad, but the defense was ridiculously good.
>
> Here's all Miami was able to muster on offense:
>
> - 10 points
> - 6 first downs
> - 131 total yards
> - 5-19 passing
> - 3 turnovers
> - 26:12 time of possession
>
> The Miami FG came after a Sanchez INT.  Miami managed to go 29 whole
> yards before Carpenter hit a 47 yard FG.  The Miami TD came after a
> Sanchez fumble on the next possession.  The Dolphins managed to go 26
> yds for the TD.  So both Miami scores came on short fields thanks to
> the inept offense.
>
> That's as dominating a defensive performance as you can ask for.
> Obviously they were quite prepared on the defensive side of the ball.
> I know you're rightfully upset for losing that game, but don't blame
> the defense.

Miami's offense can't get out of its own way. But of course you are
right. What I am really upset about is the overall culture on the
team. The loosey goosey take a few days off, have a godammed snack
attitude, can NEVER get us to a championship. These group of players
(and coaches and assistants, it seems; see Alosi) is as undisciplined
as a Herm Edwards team. Rex has to change this or he will not be a
success as a HC.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 7:24 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:44:35 -0800 (PST), John Vamp <jvampatella@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 12, 7:23�pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> on both sides of the ball.
>
>???????
>
>The offense was bad, but the defense was ridiculously good.
>
>Here's all Miami was able to muster on offense:
>
>- 10 points
>- 6 first downs
>- 131 total yards
>- 5-19 passing
>- 3 turnovers
>- 26:12 time of possession
>
>The Miami FG came after a Sanchez INT. Miami managed to go 29 whole
>yards before Carpenter hit a 47 yard FG. The Miami TD came after a
>Sanchez fumble on the next possession. The Dolphins managed to go 26
>yds for the TD. So both Miami scores came on short fields thanks to
>the inept offense.
>
>That's as dominating a defensive performance as you can ask for.
>Obviously they were quite prepared on the defensive side of the ball.
>I know you're rightfully upset for losing that game, but don't blame
>the defense.

I don't understand what's going on with some people, now, John.
It's like they have to make up stuff about anything, just to divert attention away from
admitting that the Jets biggest problem, is their OC, including the serious regression of
Sanchez.

As for your team, one can't help but admire how BB & his coaching staff, reinvented their
offense as the season progressed. It's a game of chess. The Jets brought in Cromartie to
help stifle the Pats. Then after the first Pats/Jets game, BB saw the writing on the
wall, and banished Moss.
Then he brought in the lil guy, probably for some Jets intelligence. He fills BB in on
the Jets O, and since Schott never changes anything, your D was in the Jets huddle.
AND... the lil guy fits perfectly into the new O, to boot.
Worked out perfectly for you guys.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 7:49 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:34:40 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Dec 13, 1:41�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:54:37 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 12, 11:43 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:05:32 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >Below average blocker. Cuts off routes and drops almost everything
>> >> >that should be caught. I am getting sick of him in a hurry.
>>
>> >> He's actually been blocking much better this year, and was having a nice season, until
>> >> opposing DCs adjusted to how Schott used him. Of course, Schott hasn't answered.
>> >> Again, as with Sanchez & others, if a talented player is making mistakes, not executing,
>> >> etc, when do you stop blaming each individual player, and realize something systemic is
>> >> going on... & start looking at the guy that designed the system, and is supposed to
>> >> implement it?
>> >> I thought the following quote kinda says it all...
>>
>> >> "Keller also had two costly drops in the final 15 minutes. The first came on a short
>> >> dump-off on a 1st-and 10-from the Jets' 30. Then on third down, Keller seemed to find an
>> >> opening down the left side but couldn't stop his momentum in time to reach back for a
>> >> Sanchez throw that was behind him but catchable. Had Keller come up with that ball, the
>> >> Jets would have had a 1st-and-10 inside the Dolphins' 40 with 3:30 left to play.
>>
>> >> "It's just a play that we didn't get enough reps of [in practice]," Keller said. "I don't
>> >> think we threw that enough. It came down to crunch time and we weren't in synch. He threw
>> >> a pretty good ball, it's just I wasn't ready for it." "
>>
>> >> Not enough reps in practice. I guess the players decided for themselves, not to practice
>> >> that play. To me, I suspect with all the presnap motion, which fools nobody, too much
>> >> time is wasted practicing that, as opposed to actually practicing what happens AFTER the
>> >> snap... the plays themselves.
>> >> The whole offense looks confused & uncoordinated.
>> >> But, I guess it's up to the players themselves, to coordinate the offense, in the view of
>> >> many here.
>>
>> >You are hell bent on an all or nothing approach. �BuRf, it's not a
>> >mater of "is it Schott OR is it the players?" �Please stop presenting
>> >it as such. �Schott sucks but Keller frucking drops everything and he
>> >has been dropping everything since the bye week. �He is just not very
>> >good. �His blocking has imnproved? �Oh really? �Who do you think
>> >miffed on the 2nd Wake sack of Sanchez? �Yup, �our very own Dustin. �I
>> >have to check the DVR but it might have been him on the 1st Wake
>> >sack. �Keller has NOT improved much in blocking as far as I can tell.
>> >When are you going to stop excusing players for horrible play? �Rex
>> >and Schott don't get them ready mentally or physically. �But on the
>> >field, it is the players who can't catch a cold and can't block.
>> >Sanchez has been running for his life for weeks. �The run game has
>> >vanished. �Unfortunately for Sanchez, the few passes that are actually
>> >on target get dropped and the rest are behind their targets or
>> >overthrown. He has played very poorly of late. �Its a total collapse
>> >and yes it starts with the game plan, which I agree sucks, but in no
>> >way should you or anyone excuse these players for their sloppy
>> >terrible play. � come on man �the players here are stinking up the
>> >place as well as the coaches, especially Rex, doing a piss poor job
>> >managing this team. �Maybe Rex should give them extra time off again.
>> >LOL.
>>
>> How much do you watch Keller?
>> I've been watching his blocking since his first season, to see if he's improving.
>> He has markedly.
>> Just because he whiffs now & then, doesn't mean he hasn't.
>> The problem is how he's used.
>> And like many players, when they're not involved, they tend to lose focus.
>> Is Cotchery bad also? �He's dropped more passes this season, than I've seen in his whole
>> career.
>> There's a focus problem on O, and the only thing that glares out at me, is all the presnap
>> crap... much more than I've seen any other team we've played use. �That could take
>> practice time away from actual plays.
>> But, there's something wrong with this O, on so may levels... and it effects all the
>> players.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>so you are saying Keller's, Cocth's, Edwards' and even Holmes' drops
>are attributable to the pre snap motion because an insufficient amount
>of time is spent in practiced on the actual play? Their failure to
>concentrate is caused by this? I'm not saying you are wrong, but can
>you offer a hint of support for this concept? Keller had 2-3 rip
>roaring great games at the outset of the season withthe same pre snap
>motion. And then started to drop everything (as he did as a rookie).
>Cotch hasn't been himself all season but in past years (under Schott
>withthe same convoluted plays) was pretty damned sure handed. What
>changed? It's the same offensive scheme as past years under Schitty,
>right? There's something going on and I have no idea what it is. I'm
>thinking its the whole relaxed summer camp atmosphere of Rex Ryan's NY
>Jets. I don't think they practice hard at all under Rex. Again I'll
>offer the comparison to Herm's Jets.... no hard practices, lack of
>work ethic... plenty of days off... summer camp for vets... not
>unlike Herm's Jets at all. Only with Rex there is arrrogance attached
>to the poor work ethic of the team. With Herm there was stupidity
>attached to the poor work ethic. The similoarities are starting to
>worry me.

Tut, whatever it is, is affecting the whole offense.
We've seen all the players, including Sanchez, demonstrate they're capable of playing at a
high level.
We're not privy to what goes on internally, so we have to use what we can see... & what
people say.
Keller said they didn't practice a certain play, enough to develop a chemistry.*
Obviously, they practice the presnap nonsense... so if they curtailed more of it, then
more time would be for practicing actual plays.
And a side effect of it all, is that Sanchez has to rush his reads, as the motion, etc,
take time. He has to wait until it stops, to complete his reads.

After the first game, Schott said he removed some of the formations & motion, as well as
some extra reads for Sanchez. And that immediately paid dividends. But, opposing DCs
work too, and they adjusted. We've seen Keller, at some point every year, have a great
streak... then it all stops. You believe it's Keller... I believe it's Schott.
The O was decent for a few games, then when Holmes entered the picture, the O started to
sputter. Why? Because Schott hasn't a clue how to keep everyone involved.
He's just in over his head.

And I disagree about the practicing hard, too. The D plays hard, and I think the O
players do too.
The D made a couple of mistakes this past week, but looked to be more focused, and played
well. They weren't lackadaisical.
They O players are just confused, and are given no answers.
Just think of the kids/people you work with.
They look to you, as the knowledgable one, for answers... for guidance.
The players don't design, nor call their plays... they depend on Schott, and his staff.
They've been able to execute, in the two-minute O, which is just plain football, without
all the motion, and cuteness.
Of course, Schott started the game in *hurryup* against the Pats, but it wasn't a normal
hurryup, as there was still all the presnap garbage, just no huddle.
Schott needs to simplify what goes on between the huddle, and the snap. And seriously, it
doesn't fool anyone, so why do it? Look at other teams, there's some motion, but nothing
like this O. It's just crazy.

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TOPIC: We are in a pickle
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