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Today's topics:
* Jets should acquire Cam Newton - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d2544289fa82731f?hl=en
* there will be a new rule coming - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/60a5d017a979471e?hl=en
* Dwight Lowery at Safety - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/84a18defef0dd131?hl=en
* Alosi learned it from Belichick - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0ee8972284802317?hl=en
* Tripgate! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6603e8c2c3ce4076?hl=en
* One good thing about injuries - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e0754e826f044b33?hl=en
* NFL Playbook video on Jets O in Mia game. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1a8650901ed9691b?hl=en
* We Had To Do What He Said, He Might Cut Us - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e2edd457fec7b7cd?hl=en
* Glad its Pittsburgh and - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/05daac4b9f2ab0f0?hl=en
* More proof that Schott is a football half-wit. - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5e3a9399d9a4929e?hl=en
* This Is What I Have Been Waiting For All Season Long............. - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/441b1bec1f9c43d0?hl=en
* FOers rates the Henne-Sanchez duet. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/73d83074d2ed5fd3?hl=en
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TOPIC: Jets should acquire Cam Newton
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d2544289fa82731f?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 2:35 pm
From: Keith Keller
On 2010-12-17, RickyBobby <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:
> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
Here's Sanchez' year so far (from wikipedia):
12 games, 201 for 364, 55.2% completion rate, 2472 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT,
80.0 rating
Whose second-year line is this?
15 games, 176 for 273, 64.5% completion rate, 1795 yards, 15 TD, 9 INT,
87.8 rating (was the starter for about half the season)
Answer below!
............
............
............
...Joe Montana, 1980 (also from wikipedia)
Will Sanchez be the next Montana? Almost certainly not. But it's only
been two years, in a less than ideal offense. Certainly a new rookie QB
is not going to solve the Jets' problems.
--keith
--
kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
(try just my userid to email me)
AOLSFAQ=http://www.therockgarden.ca/aolsfaq.txt
see X- headers for PGP signature information
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 2:39 pm
From: "RickyBobby"
"MuahMan" wrote in message
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On Dec 17, 3:57 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
Why ruin Cam Newtons career? The New York Jets are where QB's go to
die. (See: Brett Farve, Chad Pennington)
The Jets have endured about a forty year losing streak at the quarterback
position. But all losing streaks end just the same as all winning streaks
end.
Look at the facts. There are still three games left in the regular season
and most of the teams do not have their original starting quarterback
available due to injury. Some teams are down to the third stringer and some
are looking for retired guys to sign. So how is this going to work if the
NFL goes to an eighteen game season soon?
A team needs a quarterback who runs like Vick and throws like Brady.
Usually the Jets get it the wrong way around.
It looks like Cam Newton can run like Vick and throw like Brady and he is
the guy to have.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 3:40 pm
From: Deadmeat
On 12/17/2010 4:07 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Dec 17, 3:57 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>
> what i think the jets should do is get a qualified OC and draft the
> best pass rusher available next year... that will go a long way...
I wouldn't take any advice from someone who once said that a left tackle
isn't that important.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 3:52 pm
From: "RickyBobby"
"Deadmeat" wrote in message
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On 12/17/2010 4:07 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Dec 17, 3:57 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>
> what i think the jets should do is get a qualified OC and draft the
> best pass rusher available next year... that will go a long way...
I wouldn't take any advice from someone who once said that a left tackle
isn't that important.
He protects the quarterback from what he doesn't see. He protects his blind
side. Every housewife knows that the first check she writes in for the
mortgage and the second check she writes is for the left tackle.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:36 pm
From: Deadmeat
On 12/17/2010 6:52 PM, RickyBobby wrote:
>
>
> "Deadmeat" wrote in message
> news:4d0bf4f0$0$24018$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com...
>
> On 12/17/2010 4:07 PM, Michael wrote:
>> On Dec 17, 3:57 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>>
>> what i think the jets should do is get a qualified OC and draft the
>> best pass rusher available next year... that will go a long way...
>
>
> I wouldn't take any advice from someone who once said that a left tackle
> isn't that important.
>
>
> He protects the quarterback from what he doesn't see. He protects his
> blind side. Every housewife knows that the first check she writes in for
> the mortgage and the second check she writes is for the left tackle.
Right. You were the one that once said that a left tackle wasn't
important. You really need to remember the shit that you spew.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:44 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Keith Keller" <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message
news:b75tt7xngf.ln2@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us...
> On 2010-12-17, RickyBobby <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:
>> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>
> Here's Sanchez' year so far (from wikipedia):
>
> 12 games, 201 for 364, 55.2% completion rate, 2472 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT,
> 80.0 rating
>
> Whose second-year line is this?
>
> 15 games, 176 for 273, 64.5% completion rate, 1795 yards, 15 TD, 9 INT,
> 87.8 rating (was the starter for about half the season)
>
> Answer below!
>
> ............
>
> ............
>
> ............
>
> ...Joe Montana, 1980 (also from wikipedia)
>
>
> Will Sanchez be the next Montana? Almost certainly not. But it's only
> been two years, in a less than ideal offense. Certainly a new rookie QB
> is not going to solve the Jets' problems.
>
> --keith
Keith...GREAT observation...and well put.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:01 pm
From: Michael
On Dec 17, 6:40 pm, Deadmeat <no...@home.com> wrote:
> On 12/17/2010 4:07 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> > On Dec 17, 3:57 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>
> > what i think the jets should do is get a qualified OC and draft the
> > best pass rusher available next year... that will go a long way...
>
> I wouldn't take any advice from someone who once said that a left tackle
> isn't that important.
when did i ever say that ??? show me the post and i will come to miami
and kiss your ass after i was and wax your car and shine your shoes.
I am on record here.. MANY times... saying that the offensive line is
the most important unit on a pro team. the LT is the most important
part of the o-line. i think you have me confused with another poster
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TOPIC: there will be a new rule coming
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/60a5d017a979471e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 2:38 pm
From: "yoyodog"
"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iedi3s$6tu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Call it the Rex Rule.
> it will regulate where you can stand.
> and heavily penalize pick plays like the wall.
> the wall seems smart, but now realizing that the Jest blockers were trying
> to run the gunner into it seems downright dirty.
> Chuck Knoll/John Madden dirty.
>
>
>
Simple solution:
Line the field with hockey boards. Arena football for stadiums. No more
line of players. No more issue about two feet needing to be inbounds.
Plenty of spectacular crashes. Every Sunday will be like a demolition derby
:-)
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:38 pm
From: Deadmeat
On 12/17/2010 10:44 AM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> "Ritchie"<ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dabda32e-be3e-4c36-aa09-178870bdc9bd@j3g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 16, 12:26 pm, "Ray O'Hara"<raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Call it the Rex Rule.
>> it will regulate where you can stand.
>> and heavily penalize pick plays like the wall.
>> the wall seems smart, but now realizing that the Jest blockers were trying
>> to run the gunner into it seems downright dirty.
>> Chuck Knoll/John Madden dirty.
>
> Such a rule already exists, they are just going to enforce it now.
>
>
> =========================================================================
>
> I'm talking about the fact the Jest were trying to deliberately force
> defenders into the wall.
> in effect adding blockers, it doesn't matter who is standing there. or that
> the coach was legally there.
> the issue is the blockers using the wall to pick gunners.
>
>
So now the jets were trying to force runners into the wall? A few days
ago it was the Dolphins that were cheating. Make up your fucking mind.
That is, after you find it.
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TOPIC: Dwight Lowery at Safety
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/84a18defef0dd131?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 3:19 pm
From: JetsLife
Intrigued to see how a corner performs at safety. Aside from size/
tackling, always wondered why traditional corners aren't used at
safety more for their cover skills. I know coverage demands are
different but it's still defending pass receivers after all ...
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:47 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Intrigued to see how a corner performs at safety. Aside from size/
> tackling, always wondered why traditional corners aren't used at
> safety more for their cover skills. I know coverage demands are
> different but it's still defending pass receivers after all ...
The differences are the type of coverage, where you funnel the receivers, if
you take an inside out stance or try to keep them on the sideline. A safety
is often in an under or over coverage much more frequently too...and the
size...and that depends on the scheme, how much gap responsibility will he
have.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 5:58 pm
From: Michael
On Dec 17, 7:47 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e3041909-e27e-42bb-8714-5ac46f5db110@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Intrigued to see how a corner performs at safety. Aside from size/
> > tackling, always wondered why traditional corners aren't used at
> > safety more for their cover skills. I know coverage demands are
> > different but it's still defending pass receivers after all ...
>
> The differences are the type of coverage, where you funnel the receivers, if
> you take an inside out stance or try to keep them on the sideline. A safety
> is often in an under or over coverage much more frequently too...and the
> size...and that depends on the scheme, how much gap responsibility will he
> have.
in my unqualified armchair football mind, i always think that the FS
in the jets style of system should be a 3rd CB any way and the SS
should be more like a very fast LB.
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TOPIC: Alosi learned it from Belichick
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0ee8972284802317?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 3:29 pm
From: John McSorley
On Dec 17, 8:29 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 6:30 am, John McSorley <tutesc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 17, 1:23 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 17, 12:57 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Long before The Great Wall of East Rutherford, Bill Belichick tried to
> > > > trip Marvin Harrison on the sidelines. Proving once again the he is
> > > > the king of all cheats in pro sports. The only difference was that he
> > > > was so uncoordinated, he missed!
>
> > > > So for the Pats fans who are feebly attempting to turn the tables...
> > > > Bwahahahahaha Your team will live in infamy as the all-time cheats.
> > > > * * *
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42kTrO8ZA4
>
> > > > :) I predicct no fewer than a dozen replies from Pats fans and Jets
> > > > haters distinguishing this from that. Be my guest. But Belicheat
> > > > tripped first. Was and still is the biggest douche in the NFL.
>
> > > Come on Pats** fans. You've spent almost a whole week trying to exact
> > > revenge after having had three championships tarnished and diminished
> > > due to the cheating culture of the Pats organization.... I need
> > > amusement! I want to hear you try to justify BB trying to trip a
> > > player in an AFC Championship game no less.
>
> > > Pats are, and will always be under Bill Belichick, the king of sports
> > > cheats.
>
> > SOJ, Tutor...live with it.
>
> * tainted
> * tarnished
> * dismissed
Hey, you should be thanking me for obliging you! I'm here to help the
ASPFNYJ denizens
forget about the last two weeks. If reading & answering your sour
grapes helps, whine away!
BTW, speaking only as a bystander, isn't it clear that this
organization has *institutional*
problems? Like, somewhere between and including Woody Johnson and Rex
Ryan?
JM
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:48 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"John McSorley" <tutescrew@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:40d5d8da-027f-4735-8bca-d18aa12ecedb@i18g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 17, 8:29 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 6:30 am, John McSorley <tutesc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 17, 1:23 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 17, 12:57 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Long before The Great Wall of East Rutherford, Bill Belichick tried
> > > > to
> > > > trip Marvin Harrison on the sidelines. Proving once again the he is
> > > > the king of all cheats in pro sports. The only difference was that
> > > > he
> > > > was so uncoordinated, he missed!
>
> > > > So for the Pats fans who are feebly attempting to turn the tables...
> > > > Bwahahahahaha Your team will live in infamy as the all-time cheats.
> > > > * * *
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42kTrO8ZA4
>
> > > > :) I predicct no fewer than a dozen replies from Pats fans and Jets
> > > > haters distinguishing this from that. Be my guest. But Belicheat
> > > > tripped first. Was and still is the biggest douche in the NFL.
>
> > > Come on Pats** fans. You've spent almost a whole week trying to exact
> > > revenge after having had three championships tarnished and diminished
> > > due to the cheating culture of the Pats organization.... I need
> > > amusement! I want to hear you try to justify BB trying to trip a
> > > player in an AFC Championship game no less.
>
> > > Pats are, and will always be under Bill Belichick, the king of sports
> > > cheats.
>
> > SOJ, Tutor...live with it.
>
> * tainted
> * tarnished
> * dismissed
Hey, you should be thanking me for obliging you! I'm here to help the
ASPFNYJ denizens
forget about the last two weeks. If reading & answering your sour
grapes helps, whine away!
BTW, speaking only as a bystander, isn't it clear that this
organization has *institutional*
problems? Like, somewhere between and including Woody Johnson and Rex
Ryan?
JM
Hell Yes !
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:50 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:e5bac3b4-9b11-427d-a08c-fa5c43161a68@o23g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 17, 12:57 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Long before The Great Wall of East Rutherford, Bill Belichick tried to
> trip Marvin Harrison on the sidelines. Proving once again the he is
> the king of all cheats in pro sports. The only difference was that he
> was so uncoordinated, he missed!
>
> So for the Pats fans who are feebly attempting to turn the tables...
> Bwahahahahaha Your team will live in infamy as the all-time cheats.
> * * *
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42kTrO8ZA4
>
> :) I predicct no fewer than a dozen replies from Pats fans and Jets
> haters distinguishing this from that. Be my guest. But Belicheat
> tripped first. Was and still is the biggest douche in the NFL.
as much football smarts that belichick has, when you take a look at
bb's history and the few things we know about him personally, he
appears to be a sad excuse of a person. i'd rather have kotie or herm
as the jets coach that that dreary thing.
You are very depressed...go get some Prozac or Zoloft or just a
drink....NEVER enter the Kotite Zone again !
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TOPIC: Tripgate!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6603e8c2c3ce4076?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 3:40 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein
On Dec 17, 5:10 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 3:44 pm, Keith Keller <kkeller-use...@wombat.san-
>
>
>
> francisco.ca.us> wrote:
> > On 2010-12-17, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > all the jets fans are agreeing 100 % that we dont like it. no fans
> > > are sticking up for any of the jet coaches or the buffoon who tripped
> > > the gunner... it was a scumbag thing to do.
>
> > Now, now...you're trying to talk sense. Of course everything the Jets
> > have ever done and will ever do reflect on all Jets fans, no matter
> > whether we approve of the Jets' actions or not. Good luck to all of us
> > getting a job! Once employers find out we're Jets fans, that Kotite
> > hiring will be hanging on our necks like an albatross, and there goes
> > our chance at getting the job.
>
> > For the same reason, never hire a Patriots fan for anything--you know
> > they will give themselves an unfair advantage, just like the Pats did
> > when they got the snowblower to clear the field of snow where their
> > holder would place the ball for an important field goal attempt.
> > SCUMBAGS!
>
> > --keith
>
> > --
> > kkeller-use...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
> > (try just my userid to email me)
> > AOLSFAQ=http://www.therockgarden.ca/aolsfaq.txt
> > see X- headers for PGP signature information
>
> No no no. We've been hearing from Jets fans that they cheer for a
> squeaky clean team. Doesn't seem the case though as last week I saw
> the Miami player rolling around on the ground in agony after being
> tripped by a wall of shitty Jet players.
>
> They also tried to cheat twice by fielding 9 defenders when the rules
> clearly call for 11.
Cheating doesn't bother me. It's the American way.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 3:50 pm
From: MuahMan
On Dec 17, 6:40 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 5:10 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 17, 3:44 pm, Keith Keller <kkeller-use...@wombat.san-
>
> > francisco.ca.us> wrote:
> > > On 2010-12-17, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > all the jets fans are agreeing 100 % that we dont like it. no fans
> > > > are sticking up for any of the jet coaches or the buffoon who tripped
> > > > the gunner... it was a scumbag thing to do.
>
> > > Now, now...you're trying to talk sense. Of course everything the Jets
> > > have ever done and will ever do reflect on all Jets fans, no matter
> > > whether we approve of the Jets' actions or not. Good luck to all of us
> > > getting a job! Once employers find out we're Jets fans, that Kotite
> > > hiring will be hanging on our necks like an albatross, and there goes
> > > our chance at getting the job.
>
> > > For the same reason, never hire a Patriots fan for anything--you know
> > > they will give themselves an unfair advantage, just like the Pats did
> > > when they got the snowblower to clear the field of snow where their
> > > holder would place the ball for an important field goal attempt.
> > > SCUMBAGS!
>
> > > --keith
>
> > > --
> > > kkeller-use...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
> > > (try just my userid to email me)
> > > AOLSFAQ=http://www.therockgarden.ca/aolsfaq.txt
> > > see X- headers for PGP signature information
>
> > No no no. We've been hearing from Jets fans that they cheer for a
> > squeaky clean team. Doesn't seem the case though as last week I saw
> > the Miami player rolling around on the ground in agony after being
> > tripped by a wall of shitty Jet players.
>
> > They also tried to cheat twice by fielding 9 defenders when the rules
> > clearly call for 11.
>
> Cheating doesn't bother me. It's the American way.
Hell yeah dude. Bernie Madoff for El Presidente.
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TOPIC: One good thing about injuries
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e0754e826f044b33?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:43 pm
From: Harlan Lachman
In article
<4ab93f13-b5cb-4517-9f18-b965b71bbe5c@j3g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
marcman <marcmanstudios@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 6:34�pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > �Eric Smith is out.
> >
> > I wished he had been out earlier in the year when Ihedigbo could have
> > subbed for him or at least been depth to Poole and Lowery.
> >
> > I wished he could have had his head knocked before a game we had more
> > chance of winning.
> >
> > But, every cloud has a silver lining.
> >
> > Enjoy this one. I know I will.
> >
> > harlan
>
> Has his family contacted you yet? It appears this happened because you
> wished it on him . . .
If so, I really wished I had been quicker on the draw. Pretty much Katie
bar the door...
I guarantee you two things, one bad, one good.
The bad, Eric won't win the game on specials.
Eric Smith won't be beat long on pass plays and get late to sacks.
harlan
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TOPIC: NFL Playbook video on Jets O in Mia game.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1a8650901ed9691b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:43 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:135f1e41-5612-4c42-a195-32187e437557@g26g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/09000d5d81ce91ab/Playbook-Sanchize-hurting-franchise
>
> Plenty of blame to go around, believe me.
>
> But at the core: "At the end of the day, if you are going to be a
> playoff team your QB has to play better than Mark Sanchez ... Those
> were four plays [Sanchez messed up] there are another eight we left on
> the cutting room floor due to lack of time."
OK...here is the thing....some folks seem to think it is all one thing or
all the other. It isn't. Sanchez did NOT play well at all, but the reality
is, his coaches made a decision to have him be the man so somebody felt he
was ready and they never made any attempt to go find a veteran replacement
that was actually better. AND...how Sanchez plays has nothing to do with
the OC...and further than that, his problems and issues with poor play could
very well be amplified by poor coaching and poor design of the offense.
This is not a matter of someone "hating" Schott, it is an observation of the
game of football. I don't think Sanchez is playing well, even after he
showed some signs of progress and at times made some very good plays. That
fact has nothing to do with how I view the overall scheme of the offense. A
good decision would have been to let the kid develop before making him the
starter, I'd love to know whose decision that was because that would tell us
a Hell of a lot more about what really is happening.
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TOPIC: We Had To Do What He Said, He Might Cut Us
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e2edd457fec7b7cd?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:48 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"
On Dec 17, 1:34 pm, euphy <e phem...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On 12/17/2010 8:31 AM, Dano wrote:
> You know what chump... <plonk> is right up there with LOL and
> BAAAWHAHAHA among the most juvenile and vapid devices that children find
> amusing and original as replies.
LOL!!!!!!
mr dude (BAAAWHAHAHA)
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TOPIC: Glad its Pittsburgh and
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/05daac4b9f2ab0f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:49 pm
From: Harlan Lachman
then Chicago.
No way we back into these playoffs.
Pittsburgh needs to win to ensure it gets in. So do we. Chicago has to
win too. So do we.
If we cannot beat these two playoff caliber teams, who cares.
Good scheduling NFL.
While I would not have minded clinching a berth by sweeping Miami and
then the Jills, since the Jets screwed the pooch against the Fish, I
like the hard way better this year.
Depressing to be a Jets fan. Be that as it may, I hope everyone gets to
spend time with their families and loved ones (and that for most of you
they are the same) and has a safe, healthy and joyous XMas (or birthday
if you are like me and mine).
harlan
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:00 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-EB1B16.19490817122010@news60.forteinc.com...
> then Chicago.
>
> No way we back into these playoffs.
>
> Pittsburgh needs to win to ensure it gets in. So do we. Chicago has to
> win too. So do we.
>
> If we cannot beat these two playoff caliber teams, who cares.
>
> Good scheduling NFL.
>
> While I would not have minded clinching a berth by sweeping Miami and
> then the Jills, since the Jets screwed the pooch against the Fish, I
> like the hard way better this year.
>
> Depressing to be a Jets fan. Be that as it may, I hope everyone gets to
> spend time with their families and loved ones (and that for most of you
> they are the same) and has a safe, healthy and joyous XMas (or birthday
> if you are like me and mine).
>
> harlan
I like the hard way because it may embarrass Woody enough to do
something....and maybe listen to someone who can give him good information
about what he needs to do.
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TOPIC: More proof that Schott is a football half-wit.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5e3a9399d9a4929e?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:56 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1fe703e0-3ce7-4608-b2cd-756b5641ea72@n2g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 15, 7:11 pm, cd <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Dec 15, 10:56 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > >About time they started writing Shotty up. Three years late is better
> > >than never. I was beginning to wonder what the hell was taking so
> > >long. A ray of hope. If they can his ass it will make me VERY happy
> > >and it will make the Jets a much better team with one swift stroke...
"One swift stroke" ... it's so easy ... the dream is so beautiful....
> > >Get his ass outa there now.
>
> > With one caveat... who does Rex bring in?
> > I'll be happy when Schott goes, and I don't think it would be possible
> > to bring anyone
> > worse in, unless they hired John C ;)
>
> > But, who Rex brings in is big. In view of what seems to be his managing
> > style, he needs
> > to bring in a guy with a solid resume - - someone who can take over the
> > mess, and quickly
> > turn it into something coherent.
>
> I think it is as simple as Bill Callahan, think he took a Raider team
> to the SB. Even now, only tweak of the offense is enough and Callahan
> knows the current playbook better than Schottenheimer.
This is the same Callahan who so helped Sanchez in the Mia game by
having his O-line give up six sacks to the mighty Fins D.
I'd say he has his own mess to clean up.
Oh, wait -- the OL is Schott's fault! :-)
Grinch or Old Nasty...you really aren't interested in dialogue or discussion
are you? It's all about starting an argument, revving it up right? Does it
make you feel good? Why don't you just give supportive reasons for what the
current OC has done well?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:57 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ba76495c-c01f-4457-bca7-a10902fee826@fm22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 16, 7:23 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 11:37 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >...
> > Remember... If all the jets had was just a smidgeon of offensive
> > ability at their QB position, they win Ravens, GB and Miami and no one
> > is pointing to us as a laughing stock.
>
> Fixed it for you. :-)
and if not for some amazing qb play, the jets lose cleveland, detroit
and houston...
Amen....all him. The same guy who took the Jets to the playoffs the same
year Pennington took the Fins there...but Pennington had a real OC to help
him for a change.
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TOPIC: This Is What I Have Been Waiting For All Season Long.............
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/441b1bec1f9c43d0?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 5:00 pm
From: Harlan Lachman
In article
<be47e517-d4b6-461e-bf50-9db75a5ae74a@i17g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
JetsLife <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote:
> And no one, and I mean no one could've predicted the Jets might
> struggle against a Super-Bowl contender like NE on the road, or that
> the Jets QB and offense could struggle against a solid Miami defense.
Life, I will give you the first one.
The second is a sick joke you should apologize for. We scored fewer
points than any of Miami's previous opponents. Any of them
In fact, in their last eleven games, no opponent has failed to score a
TD (in fact in all of their games, their opponents have scored a TD) and
only one scored fewer than 16 points (and that one won).
Our offense helped give up points and only scored 6. It was a disgrace
that every Jet fan should acknowledge and declare unacceptable.
Whether they replace Shott or Rex, changes need to be made because such
performances are unacceptable with so much money and talent invested in
the OL and skill positions.
harlan
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TOPIC: FOers rates the Henne-Sanchez duet.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/73d83074d2ed5fd3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 5:59 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:67e11a9e-7209-4a40-ba43-f37f0081d2ad@g26g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
Advance NFL Stats now rates weekly performance:
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstatsWeek.php?week=14&pos=QB
Uh, oh .... FOers was kind.
This gives both QBs enough negative credit to lose the average game
each all by his own self.
Well, I guess that's why we use competition to sort these things
out. :-(
Henne has played poorly enough now, not even showing a hint of something
good to come, he should be done I would guess....I would like to have seen
how Pennington would have finished their season for them.
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On Dec 14, 3:32 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> QB performances of the week rated and ranked:
>
> http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2010/week-14-quick-reads
>
> [rank, name, yards produced compared to the number expected from a
> replacement-level quality QB]
> ....
>
> #28 Chad Henne, -105.
>
> Henne did a wonderful job of keeping the Jets in the game on Sunday.
> After throwing a touchdown pass to Brandon Marshall, Henne threw an
> incomplete pass and then had a five-yard completion. He followed that
> with three consecutive sacks, including one lost fumble. He completed
> a pass for 28 yards to Anthony Fasano, then lost the ball again on an
> aborted snap.
>
> Obviously frustrated by the whole endeavor, he threw seven straight
> incompletions, took a sack, had another incompletion, and was sacked
> again to finish the day.
>
> It's not like he was throwing bombs, either; outside of a 36-yard
> incompletion to Marshall, each of those eight incompletions at the end
> traveled eight yards or less.
>
> #29 Mark Sanchez, -108
>
> On one hand, you have Santonio Holmes dropping a perfectly reasonable
> pass in the end zone in the second quarter. Unlucky. On the other
> hand, the Jets recovered three of Sanchez's four fumbles on sacks,
> including both of his fumbles on the final drive.
>
> He ended up with just one interception on the day, a testament to the
> trickiness of catching footballs when you're not paid to do so. Sean
> Smith could have had three picks alone.
>
> Through the first ten weeks of charting, Sanchez had 10 dropped
> interceptions, more than anyone in the league (the other 31 teams
> averaged 3.5 dropped picks). If he can play as poorly as he did today
> and still be lucky, how bad is it going to be if he plays like this
> and isn't lucky?
>
> It's not that Sanchez is incompetent, because he's perfectly capable
> of making great throws. It's that his variance is downright
> incredible; he can look like the best quarterback in the league on one
> play and look like a college freshman on the very next one.
> ~~~~~
>
> FWIW
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