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The mycobacterial cell wall: structure, biosynthesis and sites of drug
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Current Opinion in Chemical Biology
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Colorimetric Assay of Catalase
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Translational Research on Trichoderma: From 'Omics to the Field.
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DNA Repair
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The impact of next-generation sequencing technology on genetics •
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Kasargode (Kerala), Dec 18 (IANS) National Human Rights Commission
(NHRC) chief K.G. Balakrishnan Saturday said that he will take up with
the central government the seriousness of the impact of the use of
pesticide endosulfan in Kerala villages."The matter is serious and
would be brought to the attention of the centre. Just like the way in
which the centre took up the issue of the cause of Bhopal victims,
they will have to look into the problems of those who have been
affected by the use of endosulfan," said Balakrishnan.

He said this after meeting the victims who have been suffering on
account of the use of endosulfan here.

The pesticide is blamed for cases of children born with
neurobehavioral disorders, congenital malformations and other
abnormalities.

The use of endosulfan at the estates of state-owned Plantation
Corporation of Kerala (PCK) in Kasargode district began in the early
1970s and continued till 2001.

About 500 deaths since 1995 have been officially acknowledged as
related to the spraying of endosulfan in about 11 villages. Unofficial
estimates put the deaths since the late 1970s at around 4,000.

"There is a case here for setting up of specialty hospitals to treat
the victims. Instead of playing the blame game, political parties here
should work together for the victims. A special package has to be
there for children who have become victims," said Balakrishnan.

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1.Mohd Fadzelly Abu Bakar, Maryati Mohamed, Asmah Rahmat, Steven A.
Burr, Jeffrey R. Fry, (2010) "Cytotoxicity and polyphenol diversity in
selected parts of Mangifera pajang and Artocarpus odoratissimus
fruits", Nutrition & Food Science, Vol. 40 Iss: 1, pp.29 - 38

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=1840218&show=abstract

2. Phytochemicals and antioxidant activity of different parts of
bambangan (Mangifera pajang) and tarap (Artocarpus odoratissimus)
Original Research Article
Food Chemistry, Volume 113, Issue 2, 15 March 2009, Pages 479-483
Mohd Fadzelly Abu Bakar, Maryati Mohamed, Asmah Rahmat, Jeffrey Fry
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3. Phylogenetic relationships between the jackfruit, the breadfruit
and nine other Artocarpus spp. from RFLP analysis of an amplified
region of cpDNA Original Research Article
Scientia Horticulturae, Volume 70, Issue 1, June 1997, Pages 57-66
Shinya Kanzaki, Keizo Yonemori, Akira Sugiura, Suranant Subhadrabandhu
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4. ChemInform Abstract: Artosimmin — A Potential Anticancer Lead
Compound from Artocarpus odoratissimus.
ChemInform
Volume 41, Issue 39, September 28, 2010, Page: no, Gwendoline C. L.
Ee, Siow H. Teo, Mawardi Rahmani, Chan K. Lim, Yang M. Lim and Choon
F. J. Bong
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201039216
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My parents didn't want me to marry Rajiv: Sonia Gandhi
Sonia Gandhi admitted to California governor's wife that her parents were against her marriage with Rajiv Gandhi, US embassy cables provided by WikiLeaks reveal.

ISI denies exposing CIA man in Islamabad
An ISI official dismissed claims of the Pakistani spy agency's involvement in unmasking the CIA station chief in Islamabad's identity.

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Cairn plea: Oil min to seek legal opinion
The oil ministry may seek a legal opinion on Cairn Energy's conditional applications seeking approval for the sale of a majority stake in its Indian unit to Vedanta Resources .

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An Indian company has signed a pact with the Rwanda Development Board (RDB) to invest $250 million for a knowledge hub and an integrated food park.

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Pak team leaves for NZ tour sans Afridi and four others
Pakistan cricket team sans its captain Shahid Afridi and four other senior players, Younis Khan, Umar Gul, Shoaib Akhtar and Abdul Razzaq, has left for tour of New Zealand.

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Only two Indians, defender Sardara Singh and forward Rani Rampal, figure in the International Hockey Federation's All Star men and women's teams for 2010.

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* These are the people that I'd call experts and have good eyes - 33 new
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* We need to retaliate against Visa/Mastercard! - 21 new
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* Sampras said Federer's era is as hard as his era - 9 new
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* US empire could collapse at any time, Pulitzer winner tells Raw Story - 7 new
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* Whisper at his best - 6 new
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Wilander: Federer played during the weakest era ever - 5 new
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...Many dumb assumptions and contradictions here. Hard to believe Wilander
actually said this. Who's "Nadal and these guys" that "suddenly" came and
proved they're better than Federer? And how the hell did they prove it? To the
best of my knowledge Rafa didn't come "suddenly" and proved he was better than
him. It actually took Rafa a - Fri, Dec 17 2010 1:45 pm
5 messages , 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.tennis/t/c46ea9d2f13f822a?hl=en


These are the people that I'd call experts and have good eyes - 33 new
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...But you didn't follow tennis back then...? - Fri, Dec 17 2010 1:46 pm
33 messages , 7 authors
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Sampras: "But you can't compare the eras. And in this era, the competition is
much more fierce than Rod's" - 5 new
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"What he's done over the past five years has never, ever been done—and
probably will never, ever happen again. Regardless if he won there or not, he
goes down as the greatest ever. This just confirms it. Now that he has won in
Paris, I think it just more solidifies his place in history as the greatest
player that played the game, in my opinion. - Fri, Dec 17 2010 4:27 pm
5 messages , 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.tennis/t/6e8b2cdd99dfb5a8?hl=en


I won a doubles tournament! - 1 new
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...Obvious troll is obvious. - Fri, Dec 17 2010 5:05 pm
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Roger, you are a killer! Damn you! - 4 new
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...Yes, and regularly beats Fed on all surfaces with such a game. - Fri, Dec
17 2010 5:25 pm
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E-mail from a perfect ass - 1 new
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...Obsession much? - Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:11 pm
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Whisper at his best - 6 new
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...And I enjoy your silliness everyday ... - Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:18 pm
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Sampras said Federer's era is as hard as his era - 9 new
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...Talking from prison? - Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:22 pm
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For Whisper: Federer's era is weaker than Sampras' - 1 new
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...I thought it was 13 or 14 consecutive years? - Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:31 pm
1 message, 1 author
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This was some good shot making - 1 new
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...Shows how little you know about tennis. - Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:40 pm
1 message, 1 author
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For Giovanna - 1 new
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...On computer? Can't imagine you playing tennis for real ... - Fri, Dec 17
2010 6:41 pm
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We need to retaliate against Visa/Mastercard! - 21 new
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...Have you become a fan of mine? - Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:44 pm
21 messages , 3 authors
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US empire could collapse at any time, Pulitzer winner tells Raw Story - 7 new
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Exclusive: US empire could collapse at any time, Pulitzer winner tells Raw
Story [link] - Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:47 pm
7 messages , 4 authors
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Lol @ Trollander... - 2 new
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...That can happen. And did happen in Fed's case. It's like someone not having
mono and allegedly being the best in his era regularly failed at FO though.
That can happen, too. It's just the opposite of what you mentioned. Everything
is possible ... - Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:59 pm
2 messages , 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.tennis/t/e51ef69b947e3247?hl=en


Wilander's comments are also a dig at Nadal....... - 3 new
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...Maybe so but still a lot more credible than someone with no real name who
comes her and makes outrageous accusations without any proof. I realize that
rst has no standards and we often say thing we should not say but most of the
outrageous things (Rafa is gay, Roger is gay, Rafa cheats, Roger cheats, Rafa
on drugs, Roger on drugs) no one expects to - Fri, Dec 17 2010 8:07 pm
3 messages , 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.tennis/t/e702fbdd1910f019?hl=en


Hey TT, have you seen this movie called Gloomy Sunday? - 1 new
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...Cool someone else has watched it:) - Fri, Dec 17 2010 9:09 pm
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 10:22 pm
From: "Jane_Galt"


"bmoore@nyx.net" <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote :

> On Dec 17, 8:33�pm, "Jane_Galt" <Jane__G...@GaltsGulch.xyy> wrote:
>> "bmo...@nyx.net" <bmo...@nyx.net> �wrote :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 17, 6:38 pm, "Jane_Galt" <Jane__G...@GaltsGulch.xyy> wrote:
>> >> "Remember that there is no such dichotomy as 'human rights' versus
>> 'prope
>> > rty
>> >> rights.' No human rights can exist without property rights. Since
>> materia
>> > l
>> >> goods are produced by the mind and effort of individual men, and are
>> need
>> > ed
>> >> to sustain their lives, if the producer does not own the result of
his
>> >> effort, he does not own his life. To deny property rights means to
tur
> n
>> m
>> > en
>> >> into property owned by the state. Whoever claims the 'right' to
>> >> 'redistribute' the wealth produced by others is claiming the 'right'
t
> o
>> t
>> > reat
>> >> human beings as chattel." -- Ayn Rand
>>
>> > If I may, and I know it's not good netiquette to respond to a .sig,
>> > but
>>
>> >> Since material
>> >> goods are produced by the mind and effort of individual men, and are
>> need
>> > ed
>> >> to sustain their lives, if the producer does not own the result of
his
>> >> effort, he does not own his life.
>>
>> > is the philosophical mistake in Rand's argument. In particular, the
>> > part that says
>>
>> >> if the producer does not own the result of his
>> >> effort, he does not own his life.
>>
>> > BTW, I am not against property rights. I am in favor of them. But this
>> > is nonetheless a flaw in Rand's argument. I would enjoy discussing
>> > this with anyone who can follow a philosphical argument. I'm guessing
>> > maybe 1 or 2 of you can.
>>
>> How is it a mistake?
>>
>> If you own your life, why would you not own what you spend your life to
>> produce?
>
> Because you can own your life without necessarily owning all of what
> you produce.

Why not though? Isnt it a right to own what you spend your life to produce?
Assuming you own your life?

Look, your life is the highest thing of value that you own. If you spend it
to work for 2 hours and earn, say $40, why would you NOT own that $40?

> There is more that defines our identity.

That should be up to each of us, eh?

> It is not simply
> what we produce, nor is owning all that we produce sufficient or (and
> this is the controversial part) even necessary for us to own our
> lives.
>
> P = owning all one produces
>
> L = owning ones life
>
> (P -> L) is false
>
> (L -> P) is false
>
> It is even possible for a slave to own his life. Not that I favor
> slavery :-)

Not really, no. A slave's life is owned by his master, he is considered
property. The people of North Korea, for example, are considered property
of the state. They dont own their lives and they dont own what they spend
their lives to produce.

In a theoretically free country, you would own both.


--
- Jane Galt

"Remember that there is no such dichotomy as 'human rights' versus
'property rights.' No human rights can exist without property rights. Since
material goods are produced by the mind and effort of individual men, and
are needed to sustain their lives, if the producer does not own the result
of his effort, he does not own his life. To deny property rights means to
turn men into property owned by the state. Whoever claims the 'right' to
'redistribute' the wealth produced by others is claiming the 'right' to
treat human beings as chattel." -- Ayn Rand

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 10:52 pm
From: nate


On Dec 18, 1:22 am, "Jane_Galt" <Jane__G...@GaltsGulch.xyy> wrote:
> --
> - Jane Galt


"Who are you?"


heh,

- nate


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 11:10 pm
From: "bmoore@nyx.net"


On Dec 17, 10:22 pm, "Jane_Galt" <Jane__G...@GaltsGulch.xyy> wrote:
> "bmo...@nyx.net" <bmo...@nyx.net>  wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 17, 8:33 pm, "Jane_Galt" <Jane__G...@GaltsGulch.xyy> wrote:
> >> "bmo...@nyx.net" <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote :
>
> >> > On Dec 17, 6:38 pm, "Jane_Galt" <Jane__G...@GaltsGulch.xyy> wrote:
> >> >> "Remember that there is no such dichotomy as 'human rights' versus
> >> 'prope
> >> > rty
> >> >> rights.' No human rights can exist without property rights. Since
> >> materia
> >> > l
> >> >> goods are produced by the mind and effort of individual men, and are
> >> need
> >> > ed
> >> >> to sustain their lives, if the producer does not own the result of
> his
> >> >> effort, he does not own his life. To deny property rights means to
> tur
> > n
> >> m
> >> > en
> >> >> into property owned by the state. Whoever claims the 'right' to
> >> >> 'redistribute' the wealth produced by others is claiming the 'right'
> t
> > o
> >> t
> >> > reat
> >> >> human beings as chattel." -- Ayn Rand
>
> >> > If I may, and I know it's not good netiquette to respond to a .sig,
> >> > but
>
> >> >> Since material
> >> >> goods are produced by the mind and effort of individual men, and are
> >> need
> >> > ed
> >> >> to sustain their lives, if the producer does not own the result of
> his
> >> >> effort, he does not own his life.
>
> >> > is the philosophical mistake in Rand's argument. In particular, the
> >> > part that says
>
> >> >> if the producer does not own the result of his
> >> >> effort, he does not own his life.
>
> >> > BTW, I am not against property rights. I am in favor of them. But this
> >> > is nonetheless a flaw in Rand's argument. I would enjoy discussing
> >> > this with anyone who can follow a philosphical argument. I'm guessing
> >> > maybe 1 or 2 of you can.
>
> >> How is it a mistake?
>
> >> If you own your life, why would you not own what you spend your life to
> >> produce?
>
> > Because you can own your life without necessarily owning all of what
> > you produce.
>
> Why not though? Isnt it a right to own what you spend your life to produce?
> Assuming you own your life?

You're confusing your if-thens.

>
> Look, your life is the highest thing of value that you own. If you spend it
> to work for 2 hours and earn, say $40, why would you NOT own that $40?
>
> > There is more that defines our identity.
>
> That should be up to each of us, eh?

I guess. Isn't it possible that you are a certain thing and Ayn Rand's
writings can't change what you actually are?

> > It is not simply
> > what we produce, nor is owning all that we produce sufficient or (and
> > this is the controversial part) even necessary for us to own our
> > lives.
>
> > P = owning all one produces
>
> > L = owning ones life
>
> > (P -> L) is false
>
> > (L -> P) is false
>
> > It is even possible for a slave to own his life. Not that I favor
> > slavery :-)
>
> Not really, no. A slave's life is owned by his master, he is considered
> property.

Being considered property is not the same as being property. Now we
are at a point in our discussion where I think we need to ask "what
does it mean to be property?". And also (not redundantly) "what does
it mean to be free?" Are they opposites? And BTW, these questions need
to be asked for the individual, not just the people as a whole.

> The people of North Korea, for example, are considered property
> of the state. They dont own their lives and they dont own what they spend
> their lives to produce.

I 100% agree that the North Koreans lack rights. And are treated very
unfairly.

> In a theoretically free country, you would own both.

I would say degrees of both. You own neither fully. It's part of being
in a community.


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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:01 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 17, 6:40 pm, Deadmeat <no...@home.com> wrote:
> On 12/17/2010 4:07 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> > On Dec 17, 3:57 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net>  wrote:
> >> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>
> > what i think the jets should do is get a qualified OC and draft the
> > best pass rusher available next year... that will go a long way...
>
> I wouldn't take any advice from someone who once said that a left tackle
> isn't that important.

when did i ever say that ??? show me the post and i will come to miami
and kiss your ass after i was and wax your car and shine your shoes.
I am on record here.. MANY times... saying that the offensive line is
the most important unit on a pro team. the LT is the most important
part of the o-line. i think you have me confused with another poster


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:56 pm
From: Deadmeat


On 12/17/2010 9:01 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Dec 17, 6:40 pm, Deadmeat<no...@home.com> wrote:
>> On 12/17/2010 4:07 PM, Michael wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 3:57 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>>
>>> what i think the jets should do is get a qualified OC and draft the
>>> best pass rusher available next year... that will go a long way...
>>
>> I wouldn't take any advice from someone who once said that a left tackle
>> isn't that important.
>
> when did i ever say that ??? show me the post and i will come to miami
> and kiss your ass after i was and wax your car and shine your shoes.
> I am on record here.. MANY times... saying that the offensive line is
> the most important unit on a pro team. the LT is the most important
> part of the o-line. i think you have me confused with another poster


No, no, no, I was telling you not to take advice from Rickydicky. He's
the one that spewed the left tackle crap. Of course, now he's
conveniently forgot it.


Can I still get the shoe shine?


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 7:25 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 17, 9:56 pm, Deadmeat <no...@home.com> wrote:
> On 12/17/2010 9:01 PM, Michael wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 17, 6:40 pm, Deadmeat<no...@home.com>  wrote:
> >> On 12/17/2010 4:07 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 17, 3:57 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net>    wrote:
> >>>> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>
> >>> what i think the jets should do is get a qualified OC and draft the
> >>> best pass rusher available next year... that will go a long way...
>
> >> I wouldn't take any advice from someone who once said that a left tackle
> >> isn't that important.
>
> > when did i ever say that ??? show me the post and i will come to miami
> > and kiss your ass after i was and wax your car and shine your shoes.
> > I am on record here.. MANY times... saying that the offensive line is
> > the most important unit on a pro team.  the LT is the most important
> > part of the o-line.  i think you have me confused with another poster
>
> No, no, no, I was telling you not to take advice from Rickydicky.  He's
> the one that spewed the left tackle crap. Of course, now he's
> conveniently forgot it.
>
> Can I still get the shoe shine?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

ahhh.... in the immortal words of Emily Litelle "never mind" :-)


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 10:40 pm
From: Grinch


On Dec 17, 5:35 pm, Keith Keller <kkeller-use...@wombat.san-
francisco.ca.us> wrote:
> On 2010-12-17, RickyBobby <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>
> Here's Sanchez' year so far (from wikipedia):
>
> 12 games, 201 for 364, 55.2% completion rate, 2472 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT,
> 80.0 rating

That wasn't right even after 12 games.

He's 235 of 441, 53.3%, 2852 yds, 16 TDs, 12 picks, rating 74.2.

He didn't have a good game #13 (380 yards) but he didn't have 4 picks
either.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2010.htm

As to the rest...

> Whose second-year line is this?
>
> 15 games, 176 for 273, 64.5% completion rate, 1795 yards, 15 TD, 9 INT,
> 87.8 rating  (was the starter for about half the season)
>
> Answer below!
>
> ............
>
> ............
>
> ............
>
> ...Joe Montana, 1980 (also from wikipedia)

Montana started only 7 games that year. The rest were mop-up, break-in
appearances where his passing line was as low as 0 for 0.

His stats from those 7 pro-rated for 16 games were 352 of 542, 64.9%,
3,424 yards, rating 87.

And the passing rules were tougher then, the league-average completion
rate was only 56% compared to today's 61%, and the average passer
rating was 71 compared to today's 82.

Adjust for *that*, and Montana's completion % in today's terms was
69.9% and his rating was 98.

Compared to Sanchez's 53%, and 74.2 rating, well ... :-(

But as far above average as Montana was even then, Walsh had DeBerg
start the season, then gave Joe three starts, then sat him for a
bunch, then gave him the last four starts of the year.

That was after Montana sat on the bench behind DeBerg and carried a
clipboard his entire rookie season. (And Joe came out of Notre Dame
older than Sanchez and with a lot more college starts under his belt.)

Bill Walsh was reputed to know how to develop QBs.

> Will Sanchez be the next Montana?  Almost certainly not.

Agreed. :-)

> But it's only been two years, in a less than ideal offense.  

> Certainly a new rookie QB is not going to solve the Jets' problems.

No one certainly won't.

But an equivalent of Steve DeBerg -- veteran, smart, accurate, knows
how to read defenses and complete the passes he is supposed to
complete, a game manager, mentor-type, not going to "carry the team"
but not going to make mistakes, able to work off a strong running game
and win with a strong D, and available because he's aging and not a
great rocket-arm"athlete" -- could have added to the Ws and helped
bring Sanchez along the way Montana was brought along.

Would it have helped Sanchez become better? We'll never know.

But they would have had *more options* both to win games and groom/
protect Sanchez.

Getting benched as a sophomore doesn't seem to have damaged Montana
too much.


> --keith
>
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 11:57 pm
From: Rotalius Jephersun


In article <jtqdnR-Mn5KamZHQnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com>
"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> "Keith Keller" <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:b75tt7xngf.ln2@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us...
> > On 2010-12-17, RickyBobby <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:
> >> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
> >
> > Here's Sanchez' year so far (from wikipedia):
> >
> > 12 games, 201 for 364, 55.2% completion rate, 2472 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT,
> > 80.0 rating
> >
> > Whose second-year line is this?
> >
> > 15 games, 176 for 273, 64.5% completion rate, 1795 yards, 15 TD, 9 INT,
> > 87.8 rating (was the starter for about half the season)
> >
> > Answer below!
> >
> > ............
> >
> > ............
> >
> > ............
> >
> > ...Joe Montana, 1980 (also from wikipedia)
> >
> >
> > Will Sanchez be the next Montana? Almost certainly not. But it's only
> > been two years, in a less than ideal offense. Certainly a new rookie QB
> > is not going to solve the Jets' problems.
> >
> > --keith
>
> Keith...GREAT observation...and well put.

Hmmm. What I see is that Montana had a much higher completion percentage,
which means the offense would be on the field longer, making his defense
more effective. And Montana's TD per pass attempt ratio is 25% higher.
You do know that 60% is the bare minimum acceptable completion % for QB's,
don't you?
That said, a bunch of receivers with jittery hands are not the best
complement to a young qb.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 18 2010 12:05 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8a28688c-e2b1-4dd9-8c18-3ff737cffb54@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 17, 5:35 pm, Keith Keller <kkeller-use...@wombat.san-
francisco.ca.us> wrote:
> On 2010-12-17, RickyBobby <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>
> Here's Sanchez' year so far (from wikipedia):
>
> 12 games, 201 for 364, 55.2% completion rate, 2472 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT,
> 80.0 rating

That wasn't right even after 12 games.

He's 235 of 441, 53.3%, 2852 yds, 16 TDs, 12 picks, rating 74.2.

He didn't have a good game #13 (380 yards) but he didn't have 4 picks
either.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2010.htm

As to the rest...

> Whose second-year line is this?
>
> 15 games, 176 for 273, 64.5% completion rate, 1795 yards, 15 TD, 9 INT,
> 87.8 rating (was the starter for about half the season)
>
> Answer below!
>
> ............
>
> ............
>
> ............
>
> ...Joe Montana, 1980 (also from wikipedia)

Montana started only 7 games that year. The rest were mop-up, break-in
appearances where his passing line was as low as 0 for 0.

His stats from those 7 pro-rated for 16 games were 352 of 542, 64.9%,
3,424 yards, rating 87.

And the passing rules were tougher then, the league-average completion
rate was only 56% compared to today's 61%, and the average passer
rating was 71 compared to today's 82.

Adjust for *that*, and Montana's completion % in today's terms was
69.9% and his rating was 98.

Compared to Sanchez's 53%, and 74.2 rating, well ... :-(

But as far above average as Montana was even then, Walsh had DeBerg
start the season, then gave Joe three starts, then sat him for a
bunch, then gave him the last four starts of the year.

That was after Montana sat on the bench behind DeBerg and carried a
clipboard his entire rookie season. (And Joe came out of Notre Dame
older than Sanchez and with a lot more college starts under his belt.)

Bill Walsh was reputed to know how to develop QBs.

> Will Sanchez be the next Montana? Almost certainly not.

Agreed. :-)

> But it's only been two years, in a less than ideal offense.

> Certainly a new rookie QB is not going to solve the Jets' problems.

No one certainly won't.

But an equivalent of Steve DeBerg -- veteran, smart, accurate, knows
how to read defenses and complete the passes he is supposed to
complete, a game manager, mentor-type, not going to "carry the team"
but not going to make mistakes, able to work off a strong running game
and win with a strong D, and available because he's aging and not a
great rocket-arm"athlete" -- could have added to the Ws and helped
bring Sanchez along the way Montana was brought along.

Would it have helped Sanchez become better? We'll never know.

But they would have had *more options* both to win games and groom/
protect Sanchez.

Getting benched as a sophomore doesn't seem to have damaged Montana
too much.
__________________________________________________________

All true Grinch....bad job managing Sanchez's development, and someone like
Walsh knew how to do it......the reality is the only person involved with
the offense since the acquisition of Sanchez is the OC, the only consistent
figure there. I'm always wondering what the QB coach does...Sanchez ONLY
speaks of what he learns from the OC....as for another one of you
points....they dismantled a working running attack, no matter how you cut
it, no matter how spectacular some think LT is...the combination of LT and
Shonn Greene are not equal to what they had a year ago....and no way should
they have kept McKnight around and let Woodhead go. At the least Woodhead
would have filled the role Greene had a year ago as a fill in and
alternative back who could catch. They are simply not a ground and pound
team at all. I would hope that the OC's decision to have Sanchez attempt to
carry the offense, and the acquisition of Holmes is an indicator that he
knows that, they may say something different, but their actions indicate
they are aware they don't have the running attack.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:05 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 17, 7:50 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:e5bac3b4-9b11-427d-a08c-fa5c43161a68@o23g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 17, 12:57 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Long before The Great Wall of East Rutherford, Bill Belichick tried to
> > trip Marvin Harrison on the sidelines. Proving once again the he is
> > the king of all cheats in pro sports. The only difference was that he
> > was so uncoordinated, he missed!
>
> > So for the Pats fans who are feebly attempting to turn the tables...
> > Bwahahahahaha Your team will live in infamy as the all-time cheats.
> > * * *
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42kTrO8ZA4
>
> > :) I predicct no fewer than a dozen replies from Pats fans and Jets
> > haters distinguishing this from that. Be my guest. But Belicheat
> > tripped first. Was and still is the biggest douche in the NFL.
>
> as much football smarts that belichick has, when you take a look at
> bb's history and the few things we know about him personally,  he
> appears to be a sad excuse of a person.  i'd rather have kotie or herm
> as the jets coach that that dreary thing.
>
> You are very depressed...go get some Prozac or Zoloft or just a
> drink....NEVER enter the Kotite Zone again !

haha.... i remember he looked like a mess on the sidelines... with
his frumpy clothing and game plan on crumpled up pieces of paper... he
was a good fellow that could not do a job very well... three of my
favorite all time hc quotes came from kotite

1. i'm not a genious... i dont have all the answers
2. we played smash mouth football... but only for three quarters...

and ... the best quote of all time...

3. the only reason we lost that game is because they had a higher
score than we did when the time ran out...

:-)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 7:04 pm
From: Tutor


On Dec 17, 3:02 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 12:57 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Long before The Great Wall of East Rutherford, Bill Belichick tried to
> > trip Marvin Harrison on the sidelines.  Proving once again the he is
> > the king of all cheats in pro sports.  The only difference was that he
> > was so uncoordinated, he missed!
>
> > So for the Pats fans who are feebly attempting to turn the tables...
> > Bwahahahahaha  Your team will live in infamy as the all-time cheats.
> > * * *
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42kTrO8ZA4
>
> > :)  I predicct no fewer than a dozen replies from Pats fans and Jets
> > haters distinguishing this from that.  Be my guest.  But Belicheat
> > tripped first.  Was and still is the biggest douche in the NFL.
>
> 45-3

*
Faux Championship.

Means nothing next to championships obtained without cheating.

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TOPIC: Glad its Pittsburgh and
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/05daac4b9f2ab0f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:12 pm
From: Michael


On Dec 17, 9:00 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-EB1B16.19490817122010@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > then Chicago.
>
> > No way we back into these playoffs.
>
> > Pittsburgh needs to win to ensure it gets in. So do we. Chicago has to
> > win too. So do we.
>
> > If we cannot beat these two playoff caliber teams, who cares.
>
> > Good scheduling NFL.
>
> > While I would not have minded clinching a berth by sweeping Miami and
> > then the Jills, since the Jets screwed the pooch against the Fish, I
> > like the hard way better this year.
>
> > Depressing to be a Jets fan. Be that as it may, I hope everyone gets to
> > spend time with their families and loved ones (and that for most of you
> > they are the same) and has a safe, healthy and joyous XMas (or birthday
> > if you are like me and mine).
>
> > harlan
>
> I like the hard way because it may embarrass Woody enough to do
> something....and maybe listen to someone who can give him good information
> about what he needs to do.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

my two cents... the jets best chance at a win between pitt and chicago
is chicago... the steelers will get help from the refs and the jets d
struggles against teams that can run and pass... the bears have the
martz style of offense wich is easy meat for the jets style of
defense... what the jets defense is best against is the verticle
version of the west coast like the coryell, norv turner and martz
stuff... what they want to avoid having to play is the modified short
version of the west coast like the pats current offense. that offense
was born to blow appart max pressre press coverage... just another
wild guess on my part, but i think BB started working on that offense
during his plane ride home from his loss to the jets earliers this
season..IMHO, that offense was built to wipe out the jets defense.

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TOPIC: We Had To Do What He Said, He Might Cut Us
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:32 pm
From: "Valravn"


"Dano" wrote in message news:iegav8$i2d$1@news.eternal-september.org...


"euphy" <e�phemism@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:4ad00p.mvu.17.1@news.alt.net...
> On 12/17/2010 8:31 AM, Dano wrote:
>>
>> "Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:bbaf2c9a-4192-446f-b1e6-7b24821c807e@w17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Belichick's vacation retreat:
>>>
>>> http://www.cheatlaketoday.com/
>>
>> I'm sure you think that was fucking hilarious...but I don't click on
>> shit like that from turds like you.
>>
>> <PLONK>
>
>
> You know what chump... <plonk> is right up there with LOL and BAAAWHAHAHA
> among the most juvenile and vapid devices that children find amusing and
> original as replies.
>
>

Why? I should waste my time reading asinine, inane and juvenile comments
from shitheels like YOU?

I don't fucking think so. Life is too short. So I won't say it. I usually
don't. You must be a Dolphin fan. So...

<SPLASH> Better?

Me too, me too! Please <PLONK> me too.

Valravn


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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:57 pm
From: Tutor


See video of Patriots "wall" on Pittsburgh punt returns.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/are-patriots-also-guilty-of-lining-sideline-on-punt-coverage/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl4%7Csec3_lnk2%7C190513

haha. The "great wall" in New England.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 7:08 pm
From: Tutor


On Dec 17, 9:57 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> See video of Patriots "wall" on Pittsburgh punt returns.
>
> http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/are-patriots-also-guilty-of-lining...
>
> haha.  The "great wall" in New England.

for those too laxy to clkick the link, you can see the "wall" the Pats
form on punt returns by the Vikings and the Lions too. They've been
doing it all season.

Haha Pratt now banging his head against his trailer wall.

Patriots*: The kings of everything cheating. No one comes close.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 8:28 pm
From: Grinch


On Dec 17, 9:57 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> See video of Patriots "wall" on Pittsburgh punt returns.
>
> http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/are-patriots-also-guilty-of-lining...
>
> haha.  The "great wall" in New England.

Give Bill B credit, he's the best. If there's a way to cheat he'll
find it first.

Everybody else is a pale imitator.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 8:33 pm
From: Grinch


On Dec 17, 9:57 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> See video of Patriots "wall" on Pittsburgh punt returns.
>
> http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/are-patriots-also-guilty-of-lining...
>
> haha.  The "great wall" in New England.

Oh, and BTW, look how far out-of-bounds that Fishman is running down
the sidelines, and how far out he has to be to get tripped up.

The fact that these walls exist is proof of how flagrantly these
gunners break the out of bounds rule and how the league ignores it.

The walls themselves are so far out-of-bounds, think how far out the
punt coverage team must go out for them to matter.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 8:45 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:e21a29df-2ef7-468a-afc8-7a7b3a4b4dbb@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 17, 9:57 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> See video of Patriots "wall" on Pittsburgh punt returns.
>
> http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/are-patriots-also-guilty-of-lining...
>
> haha. The "great wall" in New England.

Oh, and BTW, look how far out-of-bounds that Fishman is running down
the sidelines, and how far out he has to be to get tripped up.

The fact that these walls exist is proof of how flagrantly these
gunners break the out of bounds rule and how the league ignores it.

The walls themselves are so far out-of-bounds, think how far out the
punt coverage team must go out for them to matter.

Absolutely right...and it has gone on for a long time...and nobody raised
Hell till some bonehead trips a guy....leave it to the Jets to screw that
one up too :-)


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 8:46 pm
From: Deadmeat


On 12/17/2010 11:33 PM, Grinch wrote:
> On Dec 17, 9:57 pm, Tutor<dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> See video of Patriots "wall" on Pittsburgh punt returns.
>>
>> http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/are-patriots-also-guilty-of-lining...
>>
>> haha. The "great wall" in New England.
>
> Oh, and BTW, look how far out-of-bounds that Fishman is running down
> the sidelines, and how far out he has to be to get tripped up.
>

Yeah, it's amazing how far he was pushed out of bounds as well.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 18 2010 12:08 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
news:3PudnZlQ2-L6oZHQnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:e21a29df-2ef7-468a-afc8-7a7b3a4b4dbb@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 17, 9:57 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> See video of Patriots "wall" on Pittsburgh punt returns.
>>
>> http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/are-patriots-also-guilty-of-lining...
>>
>> haha. The "great wall" in New England.
>
> Oh, and BTW, look how far out-of-bounds that Fishman is running down
> the sidelines, and how far out he has to be to get tripped up.
>
> The fact that these walls exist is proof of how flagrantly these
> gunners break the out of bounds rule and how the league ignores it.
>
> The walls themselves are so far out-of-bounds, think how far out the
> punt coverage team must go out for them to matter.
>
> Absolutely right...and it has gone on for a long time...and nobody raised
> Hell till some bonehead trips a guy....leave it to the Jets to screw that
> one up too :-)


And....if I am not mistaken...the original idea behind a wall of players was
so when the gunner went out of bounds and got pushed or ran by force behind
some players on the sideline, he would have a harder time getting back
through them and on to the field....that stuff is one of the reasons they
kept moving people back away from the side...the whole white area etc.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Tripgate!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6603e8c2c3ce4076?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 7:01 pm
From: Tutor


On Dec 17, 3:09 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yikes. Jets coaches forming walls of players with intent to interfere
> and injure opposing teams players.  Yikes that is some serious
> cheating. Only a scumbag could cheer for such a team. Everything
> you've never won is totally tainted!!!
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5930402

Patriots do the exact same thing. In fact theyu did it before the
Jets. Jets probably picked up from them.

See for yourself:

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/are-patriots-also-guilty-of-lining-sideline-on-punt-coverage/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl4%7Csec3_lnk2%7C190513

haha you are such an idiot.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 11:24 pm
From: MuahMan


On Dec 17, 10:01 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 3:09 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yikes. Jets coaches forming walls of players with intent to interfere
> > and injure opposing teams players.  Yikes that is some serious
> > cheating. Only a scumbag could cheer for such a team. Everything
> > you've never won is totally tainted!!!
>
> >http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5930402
>
> Patriots do the exact same thing.  In fact theyu did it before the
> Jets.  Jets probably picked up from them.
>
> See for yourself:
>
> http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/are-patriots-also-guilty-of-lining...
>
> haha  you are such an idiot.

The Patriots didn't get fined for it the Jets did. So apparently you
and you're link are full of shit.

The Jets did however film from improper locations as did every other
team in the NFL. As Cowher, Ditka, and every other coach said....

Jets are cheaters who try to actually injure players. Total
scumbaggery.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 7:09 pm
From: Tutor


On Dec 16, 12:26 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Call it the Rex Rule.
>  it will regulate where you can stand.
> and heavily penalize pick plays like the wall.
> the wall seems smart, but now realizing that the Jest blockers were trying
> to run the gunner into it seems downright dirty.
> Chuck Knoll/John Madden dirty.

Dude,

the Pats have been using the Wall all season. Why would it be called
a Rex rule. Rex probably learned it from watching tapes of the Pats.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/are-patriots-also-guilty-of-lining-sideline-on-punt-coverage/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl4%7Csec3_lnk2%7C190513

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 7:18 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:dca8a2d5-5a00-4723-9689-0b03e0d8bc8a@29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 17, 7:47 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e3041909-e27e-42bb-8714-5ac46f5db110@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Intrigued to see how a corner performs at safety. Aside from size/
> > tackling, always wondered why traditional corners aren't used at
> > safety more for their cover skills. I know coverage demands are
> > different but it's still defending pass receivers after all ...
>
> The differences are the type of coverage, where you funnel the receivers,
> if
> you take an inside out stance or try to keep them on the sideline. A
> safety
> is often in an under or over coverage much more frequently too...and the
> size...and that depends on the scheme, how much gap responsibility will he
> have.

in my unqualified armchair football mind, i always think that the FS
in the jets style of system should be a 3rd CB any way and the SS
should be more like a very fast LB.

Most of the time that is about right...and the FS needs to be a little
tougher, may not have to be as fast.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 9:04 pm
From: Grinch


On Dec 17, 6:19 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> Intrigued to see how a corner performs at safety. Aside from size/
> tackling, always wondered why traditional corners aren't used at
> safety more for their cover skills. I know coverage demands are
> different but it's still defending pass receivers after all ...

In high school I was a safety and went the other way, got shifted to
CB when the guy there got hurt.

I was used to reading the play in front of me and taking angles, and
had nothing like the quickness or backpeddle ability a CB needs. I
suggested that maybe this was not such a good idea, but it's team
first and the coach is always right, right?

The other team saw this immediately, put their best receiver on me and
he came at me three straight passes.

The first one was a sideline pattern, I was bigger than him, and he
sorta got pushed out of bounds. The ref didn't notice, :-)

The second one he cut in, got ahead of me, got his hands on the ball
but dropped it, though a knee in his back might have had something to
do with that. The ref didn't notice. :-)

Now this guy is really pissed. The third one he comes straight at me,
and I mean *straight*. I backpeddle as fast as I can but I'm going
"whoa! whoa!" in my head. This was one of those olden-days sports
fields that served multiple sports, there was a baseball diamond on
it, and this guy drives me backpeddling right onto it. Not having
eyes in the back of my head I didn't see the dirt and as soon as my
feet hit it I went right down flat on my back. As I looked up the guy
was still running that same damned straight line now with the ball in
his hands disappearing to the far end of the field.

Next play I was back at safety. :-)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 8:22 pm
From: Grinch


On Dec 17, 7:43 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Grinch" <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
> news:135f1e41-5612-4c42-a195-32187e437557@g26g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/09000d5d81ce91ab/Playb...
>
> > Plenty of blame to go around, believe me.
>
> > But at the core: "At the end of the day, if you are going to be a
> > playoff team your QB has to play better than Mark Sanchez ... Those
> > were four plays [Sanchez messed up] there are another eight we left on
> > the cutting room floor due to lack of time."
>
> OK...here is the thing....some folks seem to think it is all one thing or
> all the other.  It isn't.  Sanchez did NOT play well at all, but the reality
> is, his coaches made a decision to have him be the man so somebody felt he
> was ready and they never made any attempt to go find a veteran replacement
> that was actually better.  

Now this is an excellent point. They go into a "win the Super Bowl
*now*" year with talented but baby, unproven QB and nobody else at the
most critical position -- in a no salary cap year. That is just
willful negligence. When the Giants mortgaged the franchise to get
Eli even they signed Kurt Warner at the same time -- and they weren't
trying to "win now".

This is something nobody can pin on the OC, it was a strategic/money
decision, Rex, Tanny, Woody.

But I doubt it was Rex, because what sane HC whose (ample) ass is
going to be on the line in a "win now" year doesn't want an insurance
policy at QB? Rex is a lot of things, but he ain't stupid.

Tanny OTOH has shown a lot of conceit and maybe arrogance in gambling
lots of draft picks to trade up, etc. Even if you are really good,
that can always bite you in the butt.

Woody reportedly cut several million from the payroll this year. Why
only 2 RBs instead of 3 when you are supposedly running a "ground and
pound"? Why'd they let TJ walk? He's on a 1,000 yd pace in KC as
their #2 RB, and that sure would have helped a ground and pound here
if they were serious about it. Why'd they let Woodhead walk? Because
they were committed to pay a few bucks to McKnight?

Why not another QB in a no-cap year? Did Woody tell Tanny he was
reluctant to spend more money on two QBs, one of whom would sit, and
Tanny make him happy by saying "Don't worry about it, I traded up to
draft this kid so he's guaranteed to get better fast!"?

I don't know, but otherwise it's inexplicable. Who goes in to a "win
now" season with a QB as league-bottom *bad* as the kid was last year
-- whatever his excuse, and no matter how promising he is for the
long run -- without a plan B??

> AND...how Sanchez plays has nothing to do with
> the OC...and further than that, his problems and issues with poor play could
> very well be amplified by poor coaching and poor design of the offense.
> This is not a matter of someone "hating" Schott, it is an observation of the
> game of football.  I don't think Sanchez is playing well, even after he
> showed some signs of progress and at times made some very good plays.  That
> fact has nothing to do with how I view the overall scheme of the offense.  

> A good decision would have been to let the kid develop before making him the
> starter, I'd love to know whose decision that was because that would tell us
> a Hell of a lot more about what really is happening.

Absolutely. See, we agree on some things. :-)

Or at least they should have planned to have the *option* of doing
that, and of giving the kid a break during a bad stretch.

I looked this up last year when I was afraid the kid was getting shell-
shocked after some awful games. Namath, Montana, Elway (who as a
rookie once lined up behind guard out of confusion) Marino, almost all
the greats spent a good part of their first two years on the bench.

Last year when I noted this a lot of people said "Oh, just throw him
in from day one like Peyton, that's how to learn".

Well *some* can learn that way, if the have a spit-in-their-eye
attitude, but others have to be brought along more slowly lest they be
broken. Sanchez looks to me like the more sensitive type. And if
they'd done like Eli/Warner, Montana/DeBerg, etc., they would at least
have had *options* to consider to use in developing/protecting him..

Now they are saying Sanchez's confidence is being shaken. Gee whiz,
too bad. Whoever's fault it is, there's no option to do anything
about it now.

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TOPIC: More proof that Schott is a football half-wit.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 11:19 pm
From: Grinch


On Dec 17, 7:56 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Grinch" <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1fe703e0-3ce7-4608-b2cd-756b5641ea72@n2g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 15, 7:11 pm, cd <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 15, 10:56 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > > >About time they started writing Shotty up. Three years late is better
> > > >than never. I was beginning to wonder what the hell was taking so
> > > >long. A ray of hope. If they can his ass it will make me VERY happy
> > > >and it will make the Jets a much better team with one swift stroke...
>
> "One swift stroke" ... it's so easy ... the dream is so beautiful....
>
>
>
>
>
> > > >Get his ass outa there now.
>
> > > With one caveat... who does Rex bring in?
> > > I'll be happy when Schott goes, and I don't think it would be possible
> > > to bring anyone
> > > worse in, unless they hired John C ;)
>
> > > But, who Rex brings in is big. In view of what seems to be his managing
> > > style, he needs
> > > to bring in a guy with a solid resume - - someone who can take over the
> > > mess, and quickly
> > > turn it into something coherent.
>
> > I think it is as simple as Bill Callahan, think he took a Raider team
> > to the SB. Even now, only tweak of the offense is enough and Callahan
> > knows the current playbook better than Schottenheimer.
>
> This is the same Callahan who so helped Sanchez in the Mia game by
> having his O-line give up six sacks to the mighty Fins D.
>
> I'd say he has his own mess to clean up.
>
> Oh, wait -- the OL is Schott's fault!  :-)
>
> Grinch or Old Nasty...you really aren't interested in dialogue or discussion
> are you?  It's all about starting an argument, revving it up right?  Does it
> make you feel good?  Why don't you just give supportive reasons for what the
> current OC has done well?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sheeesh. I suggest that Callahan may not be such an obvious choice
for OC considering his O-Line just gave up six sacks (and one might
add he was fired ignominiously from his last two jobs where he crashed
and burned) -- and you claim I have some sort of moral obligation to
defend Schott?

Why? Why can't I just question Callahan on his own merits?

You guys are so obsessed with Schott that whenever anyone suggests
there might actually be some other real problem on the team, you just
come back Schott! Schott! Schott!

With self-righteousness!

Get over it.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 11:22 pm
From: Grinch


On Dec 17, 7:57 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ba76495c-c01f-4457-bca7-a10902fee826@fm22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 16, 7:23 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 14, 11:37 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >...
> > > Remember... If all the jets had was just a smidgeon of offensive
> > > ability at their QB position, they win Ravens, GB and Miami and no one
> > > is pointing to us as a laughing stock.
>
> > Fixed it for you. :-)
>
> and if not for some amazing qb play, the jets lose cleveland, detroit
> and houston...
>
> Amen....all him.  

You're not going to share any credit with the OC who called those
amazing plays? Not even a little bit?? :-(

Was the Mia game was "all him" too?

You seem a lot more willing to share credit with Schott some times
than others! :-)


> The same guy who took the Jets to the playoffs the same
> year Pennington took the Fins there...but Pennington had a real OC to help
> him for a change.

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