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* 3 Reasons Why This Team Did Not Deserve Victory - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* Cotch - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* The Verdict is in... - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* A great "win" today... - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Gholston - 1 tackle, 0 sacks - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* We're in the playoffs... - 2 messages, 1 author
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* suck ass Jests lick Obammy balls - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Im sorry, but putting Jason Taylor in coverage - 1 messages, 1 author
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* bad decision Rex - 1 messages, 1 author
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* My second "five star pick" of the season - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* Jets-Bears... Game thoughts... - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: 3 Reasons Why This Team Did Not Deserve Victory
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 3:37 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 18:00:35 -0500, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
>1) Why the coach (whoever is responsible) uses LT as anything other than
>a third down back is a waste of Personnel. Shonn Greene was running
>again. When he was not on the bench, which was most of the time. Its
>like playing a game with one hand tied behind one's back.
Shonn had 2 touches in the 4th quarter... nuf said.
>
>2) Brain dead coaching strategy: Why Kick off to the Bears when the
>strategy was working? Why, down four points with 6 minutes to go and 4th
>and 6th inside the other team's 40, would anyone with a brain not take
>an extra chance for a win (especially since the team will need a TD and
>maybe two scores if the other team scores)? Why run a punt fake with
>Sanchez on the field (is the idea to give away the call?
As bad a call as it was, it worked... Smith just dropped it.
>
>3) A failure to execute in the clutch: Keller's TD drop and Smith's fake
>punt drop, and Holmes' pussy drop, and guys falling over themselves on
>the field.
>
>Burf said earlier, and I agreed, that a win would mean no SOJ. Frankly,
>this team's leadership is so stupid and the players so not clutch that
>they don't deserve SOJ status. Neither are good enough to be worth
>rooting for; they certainly do not not merit disappointment. The only
>disappointment is the time wasted by morons watching this crappy team. I
>guess the old age is really kicking in.
>
>harlan
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:16 pm
From: cd
On Dec 26, 6:00 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> 1) Why the coach (whoever is responsible) uses LT as anything other than
> a third down back is a waste of Personnel. Shonn Greene was running
> again. When he was not on the bench, which was most of the time. Its
> like playing a game with one hand tied behind one's back.
>
> 2) Brain dead coaching strategy: Why Kick off to the Bears when the
> strategy was working? Why, down four points with 6 minutes to go and 4th
> and 6th inside the other team's 40, would anyone with a brain not take
> an extra chance for a win (especially since the team will need a TD and
> maybe two scores if the other team scores)? Why run a punt fake with
> Sanchez on the field (is the idea to give away the call?
>
> 3) A failure to execute in the clutch: Keller's TD drop and Smith's fake
> punt drop, and Holmes' pussy drop, and guys falling over themselves on
> the field.
>
> Burf said earlier, and I agreed, that a win would mean no SOJ. Frankly,
> this team's leadership is so stupid and the players so not clutch that
> they don't deserve SOJ status. Neither are good enough to be worth
> rooting for; they certainly do not not merit disappointment. The only
> disappointment is the time wasted by morons watching this crappy team. I
> guess the old age is really kicking in.
>
> harlan
The lack of clutch or consistency speaks to the new order. Say what
you will, Mangini absent a solid OC and the reach for Favre, is a
better coach. So we go from solid contributor to the sexy pick, I
mean look at the additions.
1. Trade for Holmes. I was turned off to it, after reading somewhere
that Holmes has more drops than Edwards, and Edwards constatnly gets
ripped for it. I wish the trade was for Peppers.
2. Woodhead and Leon for Joe McKnight. Not that I believe that
woodhead would have ever gotten a chance, but a coach that picked an
undersized guy to lead his secondary, at a very physical position and
paid all the praise in pre-season releases him only to help the
enemy. At least Belichick thinks Ryan is a good talent evaluator.
3. Feely. I still don't understand it. Let's see if it works out.
4. Revis. I'm in the minority here, but I would've traded Revis for a
young pass rusher or chance to draft one. That much money for a
player, when opposing QB's have an eternity to pick apart everyone
else in the secondary.
5. This really gets me. I think Scott really hasn't been as good as
Lewis, even at his age. I think Scott is way overrated and makes
noise with penalties.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:16 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
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> 1) Why the coach (whoever is responsible) uses LT as anything other than
> a third down back is a waste of Personnel. Shonn Greene was running
> again. When he was not on the bench, which was most of the time. Its
> like playing a game with one hand tied behind one's back.
>
> 2) Brain dead coaching strategy: Why Kick off to the Bears when the
> strategy was working? Why, down four points with 6 minutes to go and 4th
> and 6th inside the other team's 40, would anyone with a brain not take
> an extra chance for a win (especially since the team will need a TD and
> maybe two scores if the other team scores)? Why run a punt fake with
> Sanchez on the field (is the idea to give away the call?
>
> 3) A failure to execute in the clutch: Keller's TD drop and Smith's fake
> punt drop, and Holmes' pussy drop, and guys falling over themselves on
> the field.
>
> Burf said earlier, and I agreed, that a win would mean no SOJ. Frankly,
> this team's leadership is so stupid and the players so not clutch that
> they don't deserve SOJ status. Neither are good enough to be worth
> rooting for; they certainly do not not merit disappointment. The only
> disappointment is the time wasted by morons watching this crappy team. I
> guess the old age is really kicking in.
>
> harlan
What really gets to me is not the players as much as coaching...the stuff
that happens is to me, a sign of coaching....sloppy play by guys in clutch
situations...you HAVE to make that TD catch....it wins the freakin
game....Rex has to be too easy, they like him way too much and they are not
crisp or sharp....compare this attitude to a Tuna or BB team...or any other
coach with some discipline. Rex guesses WAY too much, and I'd love to know
how much practice time they put into these gadget plays and fakes.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:17 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 18:00:35 -0500, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com>
> wrote:
>
>>1) Why the coach (whoever is responsible) uses LT as anything other than
>>a third down back is a waste of Personnel. Shonn Greene was running
>>again. When he was not on the bench, which was most of the time. Its
>>like playing a game with one hand tied behind one's back.
>
> Shonn had 2 touches in the 4th quarter... nuf said.
HORRENDOUS decision....I wonder what a Greene, Woodhead tandem would have
been like at this point in the season....no, we have McLost on the team.
>
>>
>>2) Brain dead coaching strategy: Why Kick off to the Bears when the
>>strategy was working? Why, down four points with 6 minutes to go and 4th
>>and 6th inside the other team's 40, would anyone with a brain not take
>>an extra chance for a win (especially since the team will need a TD and
>>maybe two scores if the other team scores)? Why run a punt fake with
>>Sanchez on the field (is the idea to give away the call?
>
> As bad a call as it was, it worked... Smith just dropped it.
>
>>
>>3) A failure to execute in the clutch: Keller's TD drop and Smith's fake
>>punt drop, and Holmes' pussy drop, and guys falling over themselves on
>>the field.
>>
>>Burf said earlier, and I agreed, that a win would mean no SOJ. Frankly,
>>this team's leadership is so stupid and the players so not clutch that
>>they don't deserve SOJ status. Neither are good enough to be worth
>>rooting for; they certainly do not not merit disappointment. The only
>>disappointment is the time wasted by morons watching this crappy team. I
>>guess the old age is really kicking in.
>>
>>harlan
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TOPIC: Cotch
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 3:44 pm
From: cd
On Dec 26, 4:51 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:23:19 -0500, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:20:13 -0800 (PST) cd <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>On Dec 26, 3:57 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> what ever happened to those sure hands on slants?
>
> >>Ever since Holmes started, Cotchery has lost something. I think the
> >>team is better with Edwards and Cotchery, than any other WR
> >>combination with the Jet running game. Holmes has one play and that
> >>is the slant, he is otherwise a risk; so many fumbles at his hand.
>
> >Holmes also doesn't seem to have nearly the speed that I thought he
> >would. There have been several passes this year, including one today,
> >where he couldn't catch up to a pass where MS led him by a couple of
> >yards.
>
> I think Holmes is overrated.
> To me, if given the choice, and this is a serious leap for me, I'd keep Braylon.
> I think he has 1, maybe 2 drops this season.
> Whoever the Jets WR coach is, he's done a great job with Braylon... & he's obvious done a
> lot of work, too.
Edwards is a physical receiver with speed, blocks well, goes over the
middle, and still young. He'll also be cheaper, hopefully than
Holmes. Yeah, I think there is more upside to Edwards in this offense
than Holmes, if the organization is forced to choose.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:32 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"graybeard" <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:20:13 -0800 (PST) cd <cd2k@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 26, 3:57 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> what ever happened to those sure hands on slants?
>>
>>Ever since Holmes started, Cotchery has lost something. I think the
>>team is better with Edwards and Cotchery, than any other WR
>>combination with the Jet running game. Holmes has one play and that
>>is the slant, he is otherwise a risk; so many fumbles at his hand.
>
> Holmes also doesn't seem to have nearly the speed that I thought he
> would. There have been several passes this year, including one today,
> where he couldn't catch up to a pass where MS led him by a couple of
> yards.
> --
> graybeard
To me...it looks like most Jets receivers give up on stuff...do not finish
the play so to speak too often....sometimes it is like they don't expect to
get the ball so they are half hearted or something.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:33 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:23:19 -0500, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:20:13 -0800 (PST) cd <cd2k@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Dec 26, 3:57 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> what ever happened to those sure hands on slants?
>>>
>>>Ever since Holmes started, Cotchery has lost something. I think the
>>>team is better with Edwards and Cotchery, than any other WR
>>>combination with the Jet running game. Holmes has one play and that
>>>is the slant, he is otherwise a risk; so many fumbles at his hand.
>>
>>Holmes also doesn't seem to have nearly the speed that I thought he
>>would. There have been several passes this year, including one today,
>>where he couldn't catch up to a pass where MS led him by a couple of
>>yards.
>
> I think Holmes is overrated.
> To me, if given the choice, and this is a serious leap for me, I'd keep
> Braylon.
> I think he has 1, maybe 2 drops this season.
> Whoever the Jets WR coach is, he's done a great job with Braylon... & he's
> obvious done a
> lot of work, too.
Braylon looks tough in traffic too....not so much the rest.
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TOPIC: The Verdict is in...
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 3:48 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:57:00 -0800 (PST), Glenn Greenstein <lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 26, 4:52�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:48:32 -0800 (PST), Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 26, 4:18 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> >> The SOJ lives.
>> >> An undermanned D, with Rex' scheme figured out by OCs.
>> >> Poor ST play.
>> >> And an O game plan devised in some other universe.
>>
>> >> I realize the usual suspects will say the O wasn't a problem, but a smart game plan
>> >> would've taken advantage of Shonn Greene, slowed the game down & kept Cutler off the
>> >> field. Too much passing & too much LT, played into the Bears' hands.
>> >> And that last play to Holmes... I knew it was coming, since we've done it all year. So, I
>> >> suspect the Bears did. It was a great pass by MS, but the Bears were ready for it.
>> >> They had the lead, & the ball entering the 2nd half. LT was in for no reason, and the O
>> >> did nothing. Then, of course, Rex stepped in with the fake point.
>> >> But, if they actually moved the ball to start the 2nd half, it might've been different.
>> >> Just too much passing, & LT... dumb.
>>
>> >> Oh well... hopefully, there'll be some pass rushers in the draft.
>> >> And we'll have a new OC.
>> >> As for the playoffs, at this point I could care less.
>> >> This was the game to win, they didn't.
>>
>> >O scores 27 point and add a TD by the D and it's still on the O.
>> >I really think I've had it with this place.
>>
>> Just go already, Glenn.
>> Stop the melodrama �;)
>
>OK Burf, if that's how you want it.
Glenn... if you see this... everything is melodrama, lately here.
People have different opinions, so stay & except them, or go.
That's all.
But staying, & always putting people down for having differing views, or threatening to
leave, come on.
You look at the score and say the O wasn't the problem.
I look at the team the Jets are, the weather, the opponent, the Jets D, and the weather
conditions.
All those suggests, to me, that the O gameplan was suicide.
Ball control... slow the game down... limit Cutler touches, keep the D off the field, give
the ball to Shonn... and just play football (ie: limit the cuteness).
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 3:56 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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> The SOJ lives.
> An undermanned D, with Rex' scheme figured out by OCs.
> Poor ST play.
> And an O game plan devised in some other universe.
>
> I realize the usual suspects will say the O wasn't a problem, but a smart
> game plan
> would've taken advantage of Shonn Greene, slowed the game down & kept
> Cutler off the
> field. Too much passing & too much LT, played into the Bears' hands.
> And that last play to Holmes... I knew it was coming, since we've done it
> all year. So, I
> suspect the Bears did. It was a great pass by MS, but the Bears were
> ready for it.
> They had the lead, & the ball entering the 2nd half. LT was in for no
> reason, and the O
> did nothing. Then, of course, Rex stepped in with the fake point.
> But, if they actually moved the ball to start the 2nd half, it might've
> been different.
> Just too much passing, & LT... dumb.
>
> Oh well... hopefully, there'll be some pass rushers in the draft.
> And we'll have a new OC.
> As for the playoffs, at this point I could care less.
> This was the game to win, they didn't.
Sanchez threw very well...the Bears are good against the run...which should
have really limited LT...he just does not have the pop now. Overall, the O
scheme was far superior to most of the season...really good at some times.
A dumb decision by Rex, and a dropped ball made the difference
today...albeit, a defense that is in serious trouble with no pass rush and
apparently no way to develop one. If the O decides to work the middle of
the field both deep and short it takes a lot of the stuff Rex does out of
the equation, puts LB's into coverage and they have NO rush whatsoever.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:05 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:57:00 -0800 (PST), Glenn Greenstein
> <lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 26, 4:52 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:48:32 -0800 (PST), Glenn Greenstein
>>> <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Dec 26, 4:18 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>> >> The SOJ lives.
>>> >> An undermanned D, with Rex' scheme figured out by OCs.
>>> >> Poor ST play.
>>> >> And an O game plan devised in some other universe.
>>>
>>> >> I realize the usual suspects will say the O wasn't a problem, but a
>>> >> smart game plan
>>> >> would've taken advantage of Shonn Greene, slowed the game down & kept
>>> >> Cutler off the
>>> >> field. Too much passing & too much LT, played into the Bears' hands.
>>> >> And that last play to Holmes... I knew it was coming, since we've
>>> >> done it all year. So, I
>>> >> suspect the Bears did. It was a great pass by MS, but the Bears were
>>> >> ready for it.
>>> >> They had the lead, & the ball entering the 2nd half. LT was in for no
>>> >> reason, and the O
>>> >> did nothing. Then, of course, Rex stepped in with the fake point.
>>> >> But, if they actually moved the ball to start the 2nd half, it
>>> >> might've been different.
>>> >> Just too much passing, & LT... dumb.
>>>
>>> >> Oh well... hopefully, there'll be some pass rushers in the draft.
>>> >> And we'll have a new OC.
>>> >> As for the playoffs, at this point I could care less.
>>> >> This was the game to win, they didn't.
>>>
>>> >O scores 27 point and add a TD by the D and it's still on the O.
>>> >I really think I've had it with this place.
>>>
>>> Just go already, Glenn.
>>> Stop the melodrama ;)
>>
>>OK Burf, if that's how you want it.
>
> Glenn... if you see this... everything is melodrama, lately here.
> People have different opinions, so stay & except them, or go.
> That's all.
> But staying, & always putting people down for having differing views, or
> threatening to
> leave, come on.
>
> You look at the score and say the O wasn't the problem.
> I look at the team the Jets are, the weather, the opponent, the Jets D,
> and the weather
> conditions.
> All those suggests, to me, that the O gameplan was suicide.
> Ball control... slow the game down... limit Cutler touches, keep the D off
> the field, give
> the ball to Shonn... and just play football (ie: limit the cuteness).
Burf, I gotta disagree with you here. They had no way of stopping Cutler
and Rex knew it...with NO pass rush and being out schemed by Martz Rex did
the only thing left...let the O score, and Sanchez played better than he has
maybe all season...the O scheme was a Hell of a lot better, it had some
purpose to it. I would still criticize them for looking to get something
out of LT, who looks old and definitely a step slower than even a month ago,
and a couple bad probably Rex decisions. I even think they ran the wildcat
much better....Smith didn't screw up on that pass...receivers need to
complete the play...a lot of them don't, they seem to slow down prematurely
if it doesn't develop as fast as they think...at any rate, letting him throw
at that point was a good decision, but I'd have done it from the basic
wildcat setup, him in shotgun....the D was totally confused and lost...they
have no scheme to make up for no pass rusher, and offenses have figured them
out...they took Revis and Cromartie out of the game. With a good rusher,
someone good on the inside and a really good coverage LB like Urlacher and
they have something going again. Leonhard not being there hurts too I
think, he may have been soft at times, but when he hit a guy they knew they
were hit. OMHO. Papa Carl
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TOPIC: A great "win" today...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 3:53 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Glenn Greenstein" <lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 26, 4:46 pm, Saycoda <frank.io...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 26, 4:44 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 26, 4:36 pm, montygraham <monty1...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > > ...because Sanchez demonstrated he can win in bad, cold weather.
> > > Also, it's clear that the defense has huge problems, so hopefully they
> > > can figure some things out before the playoffs and stop kidding
> > > themselves that they have a "great" defensive unit. Obviously,
> > > "backing into" the playoffs is a nice gift.
>
> > How do you back in with a week left in the season?
>
> You didn't win to get, someone lost, hence "backed in"
We won 10 games and there is a week left in the season. All things
considered, that was enough to get in. Would you feel better if the
Jets had 9 wins this week and win against the Bills to get in? You
back in the last week of the regular season, not before then.
Absolutely correct. They Jets can only play for themselves and are not
responsible for what other teams do at all...hence you look at the
record...they are IN the playoffs, no backing in crap.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:12 pm
From: Keith Keller
On 2010-12-26, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
> Glenn this is an excellent point and clear and compelling logic. Thanks
> for the pick me up.
If you want further cheering up, recall that they got the win last week
in Pittsburgh, which made this game a lot less crucial. (I wonder if
there was a bit of a letdown after such an emotional victory.)
--keith
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TOPIC: Gholston - 1 tackle, 0 sacks
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Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 3:53 pm
From: graybeard
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 18:37:29 -0500 Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com>
wrote:
>Frankly, if they sign him to the minimum, I would not mind if he remains
>on the roster.
To do what? Take up a spot that could be used for a more productive
player?
--
graybeard
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:11 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"graybeard" <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> That gives him 6 solo tackles, 0 sacks, 0 passes defended, and 0 forced
> fumbles for the year. If this waste of space isn't gone next year, I for
> one am going to be really pissed.
> --
> graybeard
ABSOLUTELY...and another wasted roster spot...what might have been with that
space open?
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:13 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
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> In article <07efh6ldnahkppfendtv68697gp90u7suv@4ax.com>,
> buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:38:11 -0500, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >That gives him 6 solo tackles, 0 sacks, 0 passes defended, and 0 forced
>> >fumbles for the year. If this waste of space isn't gone next year, I for
>> >one am going to be really pissed.
>>
>> Come on, gray, he's doing a great job... I heard Rex say that recently.
>
> Guys, lets just hope he does not get sack in the last meaningless game,
> triggering a huge bonus.
>
> Frankly, if they sign him to the minimum, I would not mind if he remains
> on the roster.
>
> h
H...he is taking up space, and with the rules as they are...he needs to
go...some aggressive rookie will do better and may even contribute on
special teams...which seem to have developed some issues on coverage. Think
of all the wasted spaces on this team....that simply will not make it
happen.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:16 pm
From: MuahMan
If the Patriots picked this guy up. Belicheck would mold him into a
annual pro-bowler.
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TOPIC: We're in the playoffs...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:08 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Keith Keller" <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message
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> On 2010-12-26, buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> Ho hum.
>
> As a long-time Rangers fan, I can sympathize with this perspective. But
> in a glass half-full moment, I am glad that Sanchez is getting another
> chance at the playoffs. The only way to learn how to win in the
> playoffs is to lose in them, and Sanchez will get another opportunity to
> feel that pain again this season. (And, just maybe, Ryan and staff will
> learn what it takes, too.)
>
> --keith
They need to learn about some depth on the team...quality subs....I keep
wondering how things might be if they got rid of McNothing and had Woodhead
still here to relieve some of the pressure...I would rather have seen him
spelling Shonn today for sure. Still....they NEED some D linemen who can
rush.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:11 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:04:08 -0800, Keith Keller
> <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-12-26, buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>> Ho hum.
>>
>>As a long-time Rangers fan, I can sympathize with this perspective. But
>>in a glass half-full moment, I am glad that Sanchez is getting another
>>chance at the playoffs. The only way to learn how to win in the
>>playoffs is to lose in them, and Sanchez will get another opportunity to
>>feel that pain again this season. (And, just maybe, Ryan and staff will
>>learn what it takes, too.)
>>
>>--keith
>
> Your point is well-taken, but the playoffs get old, without getting to the
> Supe.
> Ever since Parcells was here, the Jets've generally been a competitive
> team.
> It be time to take the next step.
> I didn't think it would be this year, like many did, but...
> My problem is that at least on offense, they don't learn.
> It's the same ol' same ol'.
> I mention Shonn Greene a lot. He had 12 touches today.
> If he'd have had double those touches, we'd have won.
> There was no reason for a shootout. If the D is overmatched, as they are
> against any good
> OC, or QB, you wanna keep the ball away from the opposing O, especially on
> a terrible
> field. Ball-control was key. So, why all the passing?
> Why all the LT? Why can't the O score in the first quarter, or coming out
> of the locker
> room, in the 3rd quarter?
> And what will everyone talk about? Rex's decison to go for it (was a good
> pass, Smith
> dropped), and how bad the D is. The whole point missed.
> So, can they learn?
> I'm not so sure, without a Media or fanbase that get it, to pressure them
> & guide the
> narrative.
I don't disagree, but this is a much different NFl...they no doubt will
change the way they send teams to the playoffs, go best records and not by
division etc...but right now...the Jets did enough to be there, and a kid
like Sanchez gets a valuable opportunity to play against the best...that I
like. Still, I have very little hope for them with that defense in terms of
personnel.
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TOPIC: suck ass Jests lick Obammy balls
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:25 pm
From: DIet Plan <1of9@kaxy.com>
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TOPIC: Im sorry, but putting Jason Taylor in coverage
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:26 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
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> In article
> <47b4e3ae-14b4-4ccc-a770-89584a0a4291@n29g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 26, 2:17 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > is just moronic. #99 drops back into coverage about 50% of the time.
>> > Thats ridiculous
>>
>> to add to that... I've had just about enough of Bryan Thomas.
>
> Papa, you coached and designed D. Isn't it possible to have one
> passrushing and run stopping LB by design? Isn't this just a product of
> Rex' refusal to tailor his system to his personnel.?
>
> I cannot imagine a single reason that JT would be out in coverage on any
> play unless Cro, Revis, Dig, Lowery and Quice were injured and he were
> lined up at CB or S.
>
> harlan
Yes...it is also part of his belief he can out think the offensive
coordinator by who he puts in at various times, then if the O is wise to his
personell schemes they do something way different. Still....I was always
used to using a "designated" pass rusher, and some great players, guys who
always looked good just couldn't do both deals from OLB especially or even
dropping a D end into coverage. I saw some kids who could play D end and
also drop to limited coverage and look great...some just can't...so use them
the way they can be most effective. I don't ever remember JT being a
coverage guy....Urlacher, Lawrence Taylor in hiis day....they are a rare
breed....Farrior is really good at it.
....I hear what you are saying...I don't know the answer..but it looks like
they still have Revis and Cro committed outside and are having confusion
issues inside...at any rate, O coordinators have figured out Rex's D and
taken Revis and Cro out of the game...IF....a huge IF he had any decent
outside coverage LB's on short outside stuff...he could put them in limited
schemes and stack the inside with D linemen....to me, it looks like the huge
gap is in the D line...they still need help on run and Rex can't move LB's
out to support stuff and let the safeties take over primary inside coverage,
OR outside coverage and let Revis and Cro play inside...it's called a type
of invert...I don't think they can do it because they can be soft up front
without LB's right there. I would love to see good film...not TV type
coverage, but really get to see the whole thing and study the scheme....but,
he just doesn't seem to have an answer to things that happen. Hope that
makes sense.
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TOPIC: bad decision Rex
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Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 4:27 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
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> In article
> <1d4eec18-d838-4d8c-afab-bdfa5359d524@k22g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> cd <cd2k@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 26, 2:49 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Dec 26, 2:47 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > come on Rex, you have a 7 pt lead. Really dumb.
>> >
>> > and we pay the price. This one's on Rex. 100% on Rex and no one
>> > else. Very stupid.
>>
>>
>> Cannot believe the drive to start the half, the decision to go for
>> it. Completely reversed momentum and gave Cutler confidence.
>> STUPID !!
>
> What was stupid was giving away the fake by having Sanchez on the field.
>
> What was stupid was being brave with the lead and no reason to do this
> and being a coward in the 4th period inside the Bears' 40 on 4th and 6th
> and punting.
>
> That is what is stupid.
>
> h
Well said about how they think during game time decisions.
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TOPIC: My second "five star pick" of the season
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 5:14 pm
From: Michael
On Dec 26, 3:28 pm, eric <warth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 9:45 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Thus far I have only had one of my "five star picks" as far as upsets
> > go this season. That was for Dallas to beat the G-Men the week after
> > Garret took over...
>
> > Here is my second five star upset.
>
> > The Bills beat the Pats.
>
> Your best post this year.
it got ray on the hook, did it not ???
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 5:21 pm
From: marcman
On Dec 23, 9:45 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Thus far I have only had one of my "five star picks" as far as upsets
> go this season. That was for Dallas to beat the G-Men the week after
> Garret took over...
>
> Here is my second five star upset.
>
> The Bills beat the Pats.
Close . . .
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 5:22 pm
From: marcman
On Dec 23, 8:24 pm, Rotalius Jephersun <RR...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> And Belichick will accomplish this monumental feet without
> any toe-licking.
>
> RJ
You sell Belichick way too short. He's a terrific toe licker. Just not
his wife's toes . . .
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TOPIC: Jets-Bears... Game thoughts...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 26 2010 5:25 pm
From: Michael
I'm gonna get flamed for this one, but for me, it was an encouraging
loss. The offense did a few things to make me belive they can
actually be productive. When Smith dropped the fake and Keller
dropped the TD, I cant blame it on the offensive game plan or play
calling this time. I like when they did a lot. They produced points
and yardage. They produced enough points to win. I dont blame
Sanchez for his last interception so much either. You cant win in the
last minute of the game with no time outs all the time. Defensers
knew the circumstances and they had that rout covered as a matter of
course.
IMHO, what killed them today was a lack of a pass rush. Even when the
send six guys, they dont have a single high quality pass rusher that
needs to be doubles. The DB's were asked to contain receivers too
long for too often.
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