Monday, January 17, 2011

rec.bicycles.racing - 17 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* The winner... wins. The loser... loses. Is that fair? - 6 messages, 4
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d9158dd6d122efa3?hl=en
* Famous Last Words Dept. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/78ed8449e73f6c48?hl=en
* Strongest cyclists in the world ? - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9291859fa6bf781e?hl=en
* Some very cool bikes - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e6870a8b784ca945?hl=en
* Haulin' Ass - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c5d51b5daec3266a?hl=en
* RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/35ef49b7001b618b?hl=en
* It's official. A cyclist as an internet sex symbol - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/fd882505956cff92?hl=en

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TOPIC: The winner... wins. The loser... loses. Is that fair?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d9158dd6d122efa3?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 2:56 pm
From: Fred


On Jan 16, 8:33 am, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 1/16/2011 10:28 AM, Fred wrote:
>
> > On Jan 16, 8:10 am, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
>
> >> It isn't about being paid fairly. I think he probably was.  The issue is
> >> that now that that disparity is known, how will it play with Tyler and
> >> others maintaining Omerta now.
>
> > You think they didn't know about the disparity back then?
>
> > dumbass... tsk, tsk
>
> > Fred
>
> Try reading for comprehension.  I wrote that he undoubtedly knew of the
> disparity, but I doubt Armstrong or Tailwind told Tyler what Armstrong
> actually received. You might want to contact Sylvan Learning Centers.
> They're good at helping FuckTards like you.

That's not what you wrote, dumbass, and even if it was, it wouldn't
make any more sense than what you did write. When you said he now
knows of the disparity, the implication is that back then he did not.
You should try WRITING for comprehension.

Geez, what a ma-roon...

Fred


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 5:10 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jan 16, 5:56 pm, Fred <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 8:33 am, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > On 1/16/2011 10:28 AM, Fred wrote:
> > > On Jan 16, 8:10 am, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
>
> > >> It isn't about being paid fairly. I think he probably was.  The issue is
> > >> that now that that disparity is known, how will it play with Tyler and
> > >> others maintaining Omerta now.
>
> > > You think they didn't know about the disparity back then?
>
> > > dumbass... tsk, tsk
>
> > > Fred
>
> > Try reading for comprehension.  I wrote that he undoubtedly knew of the
> > disparity, but I doubt Armstrong or Tailwind told Tyler what Armstrong
> > actually received. You might want to contact Sylvan Learning Centers.
> > They're good at helping FuckTards like you.
>
> That's not what you wrote, dumbass, and even if it was, it wouldn't
> make any more sense than what you did write.  When you said he now
> knows of the disparity, the implication is that back then he did not.
> You should try WRITING for comprehension.
>
> Geez, what a ma-roon...

Don't be harsh on the guy. He performs a public service.
Every time he opens his mouth everybody in the room feels 20 IQ points
smarter.

R


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 7:54 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


BLafferty" <b@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:UZWdnQjpRqz0l67QnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...> On 1/15/2011 7:43
PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "BLafferty" <b@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:XNKdnaBebImUUqzQnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=6019436&campaign=rss&source=OLYHeadlines
>>>
>>>
>>> "The documents also show the vast discrepancy in bonus payments. An
>>> invoice from August 2001 shows Armstrong earned $1.47 million for
>>> stage wins, days wearing the leader's yellow jersey and the overall
>>> win at that year's Tour.
>>>
>>> Teammate Tyler Hamilton, whose contract stipulated that he would be
>>> the second-highest paid rider after Armstrong, earned just $150,000
>>> in
>>> bonuses for the same race."
>>>
>>> Quite a disparity. That kind of disparity doesn't build much loyalty
>>> over the long run.
>>
>> Regarding the "disparity" of pay between Lance and Tyler, you've
>> first
>> got to level the playing field. Did Tyler win the overall GC? No.
>> Slash
>> $1 million. How many stages did Lance win? 4. How many did Tyler win?
>> 0.
>> How many days in Yellow for Lance? 8. Tyler? 0. For all those things
>> Lance had bonuses paid.
>>
>> What did Tyler do that he should have received a bonus for?
>>
>> If we want to make a case about Tyler being paid fairly, don't we
>> need
>> to know what sort of incentives there may have been in his contract,
>> incentives that he nevertheless FAILED to deliver on? Or do you
>> believe
>> he failed because of the lack of bonuses? That Lance was never doped
>> on
>> drugs, he was doped on $$$?
>
> It isn't about being paid fairly. I think he probably was. The issue
> is that now that that disparity is known, how will it play with Tyler
> and others maintaining Omerta now.

So Tyler hasn't read the newspaper or the 'net these past few years? How
could he have missed the fireworks regarding the insuring company that
backed Lance's bonus and didn't want to pay? The amounts and specifics
were all laid out in the open. Again, there is nothing new here. Tyler
has had plenty of time to be upset over the fact that Lance got paid one
heck of a lot more than he did.

>> Brian, what about the disparity between the winner's share and loser
>> in
>> a civil court proceeding involving lots of $$$? Is that unfair?
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 7:54 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"BLafferty" <b@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:UZWdnQnpRqybl67QnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 1/15/2011 7:52 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "BLafferty" <b@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:yv-dnWcs3J52sa_QnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 1/15/2011 5:12 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>>>> On Jan 15, 11:44 am, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=6019436&campaign=...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "The documents also show the vast discrepancy in bonus payments.
>>>>> An
>>>>> invoice from August 2001 shows Armstrong earned $1.47 million for
>>>>> stage
>>>>> wins, days wearing the leader's yellow jersey and the overall win
>>>>> at
>>>>> that year's Tour.
>>>>>
>>>>> Teammate Tyler Hamilton, whose contract stipulated that he would
>>>>> be the
>>>>> second-highest paid rider after Armstrong, earned just $150,000 in
>>>>> bonuses for the same race."
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite a disparity. That kind of disparity doesn't build much
>>>>> loyalty
>>>>> over the long run.
>>>>
>>>> Let me sum up your position, Jowls.
>>>> Oh, LANCE, why are you ignoring me?! Sob. Fwap, fwap, fwap.
>>>>
>>>> If Tyler could have gotten more money with another team, he would
>>>> have
>>>> taken the job unless the difference was outweighed by other perks.
>>>> You know, little things, like having an excellent shot at being on
>>>> the
>>>> winning team at the Tour. Provide a list of the teams that got into
>>>> the Tyler bidding war. Oh, none? Got it, dumbass.
>>>>
>>>> R
>>> Your FuckWit brain can't understand the issue yet again. I doubt
>>> that
>>> at the time Tyler had any idea the disparity was a great as it was.
>>> Now that he knows, what effect will that knowledge have on whatever
>>> loyalty to the Uniballer is left?
>>
>> Tyler didn't know that winners are rewarded more than losers? That
>> Quarterbacks make more than a defensive lineman? That the winning
>> side
>> in a lawsuit gains financially? What is it exactly that you think
>> Tyler
>> didn't know? That $1.47 million figure was entirely incentive pay,
>> bonuses for doing well.
>
>
> Come on. Of course Tyler knew of a disparity. Do you think Armstrong
> told him he made $1.47 million? Unlikely.
>

A team whose entire purpose was to deliver a TdF victory to Lance
Armstrong and it's a suprise that he got a $1 million bonus for winning?

>>
>> If Tyler had been paid UCI minimum and was screwed out of
>> opportunities
>> to make bonuses in his contract (which we have not heard evidence of,
>> far as I know), sure, you could try and make a case.
>>
>> This is pathetically poor reporting. They even try to make it seem
>> like
>> a revelation that USPS was being paid a lot of money. I asked the
>> Trek
>> liason at the time how much the sponsorship was costing Trek (he
>> wouldn't tell me) and how much USPS. He said $8 million for USPS, and
>> that's what I told customers. And it turns out that's the correct
>> number. I had no idea it was a state secret. Far as I knew, it was
>> common knowledge. But not in today's revisionist,
>> find-any-angle-to-make-Lance-look-bad media scrum.
>
> I think the main point ESPN picked up on was the anti-drug/morals
> clause insisted upon by Postal in the renewal contract. That will
> have consequences for the Tailwind guys.

Which like so much else is very old news.

Bring us something new and logical.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 8:44 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jan 16, 10:54 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "BLafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> news:UZWdnQnpRqybl67QnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > On 1/15/2011 7:52 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> "BLafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >>news:yv-dnWcs3J52sa_QnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>> On 1/15/2011 5:12 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> >>>> On Jan 15, 11:44 am, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=6019436&campaign=...
>
> >>>>> "The documents also show the vast discrepancy in bonus payments.
> >>>>> An
> >>>>> invoice from August 2001 shows Armstrong earned $1.47 million for
> >>>>> stage
> >>>>> wins, days wearing the leader's yellow jersey and the overall win
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> that year's Tour.
>
> >>>>> Teammate Tyler Hamilton, whose contract stipulated that he would
> >>>>> be the
> >>>>> second-highest paid rider after Armstrong, earned just $150,000 in
> >>>>> bonuses for the same race."
>
> >>>>> Quite a disparity. That kind of disparity doesn't build much
> >>>>> loyalty
> >>>>> over the long run.
>
> >>>> Let me sum up your position, Jowls.
> >>>> Oh, LANCE, why are you ignoring me?! Sob. Fwap, fwap, fwap.
>
> >>>> If Tyler could have gotten more money with another team, he would
> >>>> have
> >>>> taken the job unless the difference was outweighed by other perks.
> >>>> You know, little things, like having an excellent shot at being on
> >>>> the
> >>>> winning team at the Tour. Provide a list of the teams that got into
> >>>> the Tyler bidding war. Oh, none? Got it, dumbass.
>
> >>>> R
> >>> Your FuckWit brain can't understand the issue yet again. I doubt
> >>> that
> >>> at the time Tyler had any idea the disparity was a great as it was.
> >>> Now that he knows, what effect will that knowledge have on whatever
> >>> loyalty to the Uniballer is left?
>
> >> Tyler didn't know that winners are rewarded more than losers? That
> >> Quarterbacks make more than a defensive lineman? That the winning
> >> side
> >> in a lawsuit gains financially? What is it exactly that you think
> >> Tyler
> >> didn't know? That $1.47 million figure was entirely incentive pay,
> >> bonuses for doing well.
>
> > Come on. Of course Tyler knew of a disparity.  Do you think Armstrong
> > told him he made $1.47 million?  Unlikely.
>
> A team whose entire purpose was to deliver a TdF victory to Lance
> Armstrong and it's a suprise that he got a $1 million bonus for winning?
>
>
>
>
>
> >> If Tyler had been paid UCI minimum and was screwed out of
> >> opportunities
> >> to make bonuses in his contract (which we have not heard evidence of,
> >> far as I know), sure, you could try and make a case.
>
> >> This is pathetically poor reporting. They even try to make it seem
> >> like
> >> a revelation that USPS was being paid a lot of money. I asked the
> >> Trek
> >> liason at the time how much the sponsorship was costing Trek (he
> >> wouldn't tell me) and how much USPS. He said $8 million for USPS, and
> >> that's what I told customers. And it turns out that's the correct
> >> number. I had no idea it was a state secret. Far as I knew, it was
> >> common knowledge. But not in today's revisionist,
> >> find-any-angle-to-make-Lance-look-bad media scrum.
>
> > I think the main point ESPN picked up on was the anti-drug/morals
> > clause insisted upon by Postal in the renewal contract.  That will
> > have consequences for the Tailwind guys.
>
> Which like so much else is very old news.
>
> Bring us something new and logical.

You might as well tell Lazarus to get up and walk. It's gonna take a
miracle for that to happen.

R


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 10:01 pm
From: Michael Press


In article <ltKdnZ5mGfAPIK7QnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:

> Bring us something new and logical.

Aww, come on. Both? One out of two is difficult enough.

--
Michael Press

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TOPIC: Famous Last Words Dept.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/78ed8449e73f6c48?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 3:18 pm
From: William Fred


Fred Fredburger <FredFredFred@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote in news:4d335b69
@news.x-privat.org:

>
> The checks are being cut in alphabetical order, so the fucktards are
> getting paid first.
>

Which is what makes being an assbag so attractive.

--
Bill Fred

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TOPIC: Strongest cyclists in the world ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9291859fa6bf781e?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 5:49 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jan 13, 1:47 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 1:03 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 13, 1:58 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/bikes/news-chinas-overloaded-bikes
>
> > > Reminds me of that yoohoo that went around the US with a trailer and
> > > the small gears.
>
> > > What ever happened to him?
>
> >http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jul/24/local/me-rbriefs24
>
> Is that the same David Michael Anthony?  Last time you
> posted this, I tried to figure it out.  The age seemed to be
> off by a few years.  Looking through archive.org, his
> website seemed to become stagnant around late 2004
> (it seems to have been taken over by a squatter in 2006).
> So maybe yes?
>
> Fredmaster Ben

Another possibility

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/56799354/Method-For-Making-Bicycle-Frame-By-Composite-Material---Patent-7407619


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 6:30 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Now I'm just confused as hell

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/michael-david-anthony-730309.html


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 7:39 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 1/16/2011 6:30 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> Now I'm just confused as hell

It's been obvious to the rest of us for quite a while. Glad you figured
it out.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 8:50 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jan 16, 9:30 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Now I'm just confused as hell
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/michael-david-anthony-73...

Start ranting. That should make you feel like your old self.

R

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TOPIC: Some very cool bikes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e6870a8b784ca945?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 6:26 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Check out slide 3 - seems Cannondale Lefty wasn't that new of an idea
after all

http://outsideonline.com/gear/travel-gd-competition-bicycles-photo-gallery-sidGAL428997.html


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TOPIC: Haulin' Ass
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c5d51b5daec3266a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 6:28 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Jobst probably finished that turn - the guy in the dirt probably did
not.

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TOPIC: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/35ef49b7001b618b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 7:49 pm
From: Big-8 Management Board


REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce.

<rec-bicycles-off-road@moderators.isc.org>: host
moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address
(in reply to RCPT TO command)

"The Real Bev" says that he/she would be happy to do the moderation
if somebody else provided the setup. Steve Bonine sees no evidence
that a group of people exists in Usenet who are interested in the
topic.

>Message-ID: <i5v8ql$vvd$1@news.eternal-september.org>
>Message-ID: <8ehlmvF53cU1@mid.individual.net>

The discussion following the LCC brought up concerns that most users
of rec.bicycles.* might be unaware of this proposal. It was suggested
that further RFDs should be crossposted to all groups of the sub-hier-
archy. However, this would certainly encounter limitations imposed by
typical filter setups. As a compromise this RFD is crossposted to the
two groups with the most traffic, RBT and RBR, instead of RBM.

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

rec.bicycles.off-road Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.bicycles.off-road
rec.bicycles.tech
rec.bicycles.racing

CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD

rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to
provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement)
bicyclists. The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt,
grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road
use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.)
Dicussion might include (but not limited to):

Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling
Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling
Trail Issues
-access/closure
-maintenance
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-preparation
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-responsibilities to the environment
-equipment options or combinations
-overnight vs day use trips
-etiquette
Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions
(technically and eco-sensitively)
-tree roots
-sand
-microbiotic crust
-loose steep climbs, etc.
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coverage
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Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject
for discussion. However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains
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to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder
audience.

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Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item
is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists.

Rec.bicycles.off-road will:

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off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns.

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In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open
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HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

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PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
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To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
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In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
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2010-10-02 3rd RFD
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2011-01-16 LCC

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TOPIC: It's official. A cyclist as an internet sex symbol
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/fd882505956cff92?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 9:09 pm
From: coterock


OK for the office.

Here is validation of her cycling career:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/475998-100-hottest-sports-sex-symbols-ever/page/36

but not as good as :
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/475998-100-hottest-sports-sex-symbols-ever/page/68
or
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/475998-100-hottest-sports-sex-symbols-ever/page/35


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 10:41 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Better is a girl that knows what to do with your pole.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bo2OkHBt4Ng/SNSoW4XxN-I/AAAAAAAABqo/jMv6BmiT4Hc/s1600/Allison+Stroke+Olympics1.jpg


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 11:19 pm
From: Zenon


On Jan 16, 10:41 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Better is a girl that knows what to do with your pole.
>
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bo2OkHBt4Ng/SNSoW4XxN-I/AAAAAAAABqo/jMv6Bmi...


.
.
It's incredible know that she set all those pole vault records with
only one leg...
.
http://de.fishki.net/picsw/092009/23/post7/Allison_Stokke009.jpg
.
.


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