Monday, May 16, 2011

rec.bicycles.racing - 13 new messages in 10 topics - digest

Buzz It
rec.bicycles.racing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing?hl=en

rec.bicycles.racing@googlegroups.com

Today's topics:

* Looking at Armstrong - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c0d44bd8749d8e65?hl=en
* so you want to be a pro? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/833bd784841dfab4?hl=en
* Contador rides with the strength of a bull - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a1476466d23b3d3b?hl=en
* RicodJour - we'd all like to see a photo of you and the goat you're sleeping
with - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3845267cd473dcbd?hl=en
* Giro d'Italia, stage 9 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9c3a30dd8ad78bf9?hl=en
* UCI List of all dopers ranked 0-10 "Most likely to succeed" - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/98c5fb6d7d8a5a10?hl=en
* Close call on a training ride - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b0b3dce207ab2b5a?hl=en
* Please make this plot for me... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/330196c39805e2b1?hl=en
* Liz Hatch Update - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/66ae86a82520c50b?hl=en
* Le Gamin au Velo - finally a cycling film to erase the memory of Quicksilver.
- 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6d8b905d16a55973?hl=en

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Looking at Armstrong
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c0d44bd8749d8e65?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 14 2011 9:01 pm
From: Anton Berlin

> I bring my own goat.  I don't believe in the nanny-state.
>
> R

I always suspected you had a relationship with a goat or sheep.
Thanks for the confirmation

==============================================================================
TOPIC: so you want to be a pro?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/833bd784841dfab4?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 4:29 am
From: "A. Dumas"


RicodJour wrote:
> Please forward this to Landis. Thanks.

Do it yourself: https://twitter.com/GreyManrod

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Contador rides with the strength of a bull
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a1476466d23b3d3b?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 8:15 am
From: Anton Berlin


A clenbuterol injected spanish bull

http://flammecast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/contador-on-a-cow-460x250.jpg

==============================================================================
TOPIC: RicodJour - we'd all like to see a photo of you and the goat you're
sleeping with
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3845267cd473dcbd?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 8:18 am
From: Anton Berlin


Is this goat any relation to the one your father used to fuck when he
was in prison ?

Isn't that against the law boy ?

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Giro d'Italia, stage 9 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9c3a30dd8ad78bf9?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 10:57 am
From: Bob Martin



Stage 9 : May 15, Messina - Etna, 169 km

1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard 4.54.09
2 Jose Rujano Guillen (Ven) Androni Giocattoli 0.03
3 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone 0.50
4 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale
5 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Pro Team Astana
6 David Arroyo Duran (Spa) Movistar Team
7 Kanstantsin Sivtsov (Blr) HTC-Highroad
8 Igor Anton Hernandez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.59
9 John Gadret (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 1.07
10 Hubert Dupont (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale


Changes in GC, stage 9 compared to stage 8 :

Biggest gainers by position :
+52 Philip Deignan
+50 Filippo Savini
+44 Mauricio Alberto Ardila Cano
+38 Mickael Cherel
+35 Julien Berard
+35 Giovanni Visconti
+30 Richie Porte
+28 Jesus Hernandez Blazquez
+25 Daniel Navarro Garcia
+22 Francis De Greef

Biggest losers by position :
-31 Pieter Weening
-26 Pablo Lastras Garcia
-25 Alexsandr Dyachenko
-25 Rafael Valls Ferri
-23 Evgeni Petrov
-23 Matteo Montaguti
-22 Marco Pinotti
-21 Luis Pasamontes Rodriguez
-20 Danilo Di Luca
-20 Peter Kennaugh
-19 Angel Vicioso Arcos

Biggest gainers by time :
+0:13 Alberto Contador Velasco
+0:02 Jose Rujano Guillen

Biggest losers by time :
-27:02 Adam Blyth
-27:02 Danilo Napolitano
-26:42 Alex Rasmussen
-26:42 Frantisek Rabon
-26:42 Mark Cavendish
-26:42 Mark Renshaw
-26:42 Russell Downing
-26:42 Sacha Modolo
-26:40 Chad Beyer
-26:40 Davide Ricci Bitti
-26:37 Alexander Kristoff

Favourites by position :
+30 Richie Porte
+16 Stefano Garzelli
+16 Daniel Moreno Fernandez
+7 Roman Kreuziger
+6 David Arroyo Duran
+6 Carlos Sastre Candil
+4 Vincenzo Nibali
+4 Alberto Contador Velasco
+1 Michele Scarponi
-4 Lars Ytting Bak
-4 Denis Menchov
-5 Frantisek Rabon
-10 Thomas Lovkvist
-20 Danilo Di Luca

Favourites by time :
+0:13 Alberto Contador Velasco
-0:49 Stefano Garzelli
-0:57 Vincenzo Nibali
-0:57 Roman Kreuziger
-0:57 David Arroyo Duran
-1:14 Michele Scarponi
-2:23 Denis Menchov
-2:28 Daniel Moreno Fernandez
-2:28 Carlos Sastre Candil
-2:48 Thomas Lovkvist
-11:59 Richie Porte
-23:53 Lars Ytting Bak
-23:53 Danilo Di Luca
-26:42 Frantisek Rabon

Top 10 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
1 Alberto Contador Velasco 33:03:51 (was 5th at 0:13)
2 Kanstantsin Siutsou 0:59 (was 2nd at 0:02)
3 Christophe Le Mevel 1:19 (was 4th at 0:05)
4 Vincenzo Nibali 1:21 (was 8th at 0:24)
5 Michele Scarponi 1:28 (was 6th at 0:14)
6 David Arroyo Duran 1:37 (was 12th at 0:40)
7 Roman Kreuziger 1:41 (was 14th at 0:44)
8 Jose Rodolfo Serpa Perez 1:47 (was 10th at 0:33)
9 Dario Cataldo 2:21 (was 13th at 0:44)
10 Matteo Carrara 2:21 (was 19th at 1:07)
.....
13 Stefano Garzelli 2:39 (was 29th at 1:50)
.....
20 Denis Menchov 3:18 (was 16th at 0:55)
21 Thomas Lovkvist 3:27 (was 11th at 0:39)
.....
26 Carlos Sastre Candil 4:57 (was 32nd at 2:29)
.....
39 Daniel Moreno Fernandez 14:16 (was 55th at 11:48)
.....
71 Danilo Di Luca 35:05 (was 51st at 11:12)
.....
103 Richie Porte 48:33 (was 133rd at 36:34)
.....
122 Lars Ytting Bak 56:23 (was 118th at 32:30)
.....
161 Frantisek Rabon 1:11:45 (was 156th at 45:03)

Top 10 on Points table with previous in parens:
1 Jan Bakelants 10 (was 1st with 7 points)
2 Pablo Lastras Garcia 5 (was 0 points)
3 Matteo Montaguti 5 (was 2nd with 5 points)
4 Martin Kohler 5 (was 3rd with 5 points)
5 Kristof Vandewalle 5 (was 4th with 5 points)
6 Sebastian Lang 5 (was 5th with 5 points)
7 Mirko Selvaggi 5 (was 6th with 5 points)
8 Matteo Tosatto 5 (was 7th with 5 points)
9 Giovanni Visconti 4 (unchanged)
10 Marco Marzano 4 (was 8th with 4 points)

Top 10 on Mountains table with previous in parens:
1 Filippo Savini 16 (was 23rd with 1 points)
2 Alberto Contador Velasco 15 (was 0 points)
3 Bart De Clercq 11 (was 1st with 11 points)
4 Martin Kohler 10 (was 2nd with 10 points)
5 Federico Canuti 9 (was 3rd with 9 points)
6 Jose Rujano Guillen 9 (was 0 points)
7 Mathias Frank 9 (was 0 points)
8 Gianluca Brambilla 8 (was 4th with 8 points)
9 Roman Kreuziger 8 (was 6th with 6 points)
10 Stefano Garzelli 8 (was 9th with 3 points)

Retirements to date : Stage
Chris Butler (USA) BMC Racing Team 9 <<<
Graeme Brown (Aus) Rabobank Cycling Team 9 <<<
Jackson Rodriguez (Ven) Androni Giocattoli 9 <<<
Robbie McEwen (Aus) Team RadioShack 9 <<<
Fabio Andres Duarte Arevalo (Col) Geox-TMC 8
Brice Feillu (Fra) Leopard Trek 5
Bruno Pires (Por) Leopard Trek 5
Chris Barton (USA) BMC Racing Team 5
Davide ViganA² (Ita) Leopard Trek 5
Dominic Klemme (Ger) Leopard Trek 5
Fabian Wegmann (Ger) Leopard Trek 5
Francesco Failli (Ita) Farnese Vini - Neri Sottoli 5
Oliver Zaugg (Swi) Leopard Trek 5
Thomas Rohregger (Aut) Leopard Trek 5
Tom Slagter (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 5
Tom Stamsnijder (Ned) Leopard Trek 5
Tyler Farrar (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 5
Wouter Weylandt (Bel) Leopard Trek 3
Total retirements : 18


(This report can also be seen at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2)

==============================================================================
TOPIC: UCI List of all dopers ranked 0-10 "Most likely to succeed"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/98c5fb6d7d8a5a10?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 11:53 am
From: Phil H


On May 14, 7:11 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So is the consensus these are clean riders or just really good
> dopers?

Reality isn't subject to a majority vote. The folks that do the
testing know what this means but I doubt if we will get to learn the
finer details of the ranking system. The whole thing generates a lot
more questions than answers.
Phil H

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Close call on a training ride
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b0b3dce207ab2b5a?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 12:53 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <bc91fa32-649a-4863-a557-905480e81784@34g2000pru.googlegroups.com>,
Brad Anders <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 12, 9:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> wrote:
> > http://chainreactionblogs.com/diary/
> >
> > Check out the video for today's entry. A very interesting morning.
> >
> > --Mike--     Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> It's amazing how many accidents (bike, car, motorcycle) that we've all
> come upon on Skyline, 84, 9, 92, and the rest of the Santa Cruz
> Mountains roads. Friends of mine saw a dead motorcyclist hanging in a
> tree on the east descent on 84.

THe number of makeshift memorials, mostly to motorcyclists, that are on the roads
up in the Santa Cruz mountain is amazing. Some of them don't last very long but there
are a few that have been around for years.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 12:59 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <0OqdncsftPxwnVPQnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:

> "Brad Anders" <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bc91fa32-649a-4863-a557-905480e81784@34g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
> On May 12, 9:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> wrote:
> > http://chainreactionblogs.com/diary/
> >
> > Check out the video for today's entry. A very interesting morning.
> >
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> ===========
> It's amazing how many accidents (bike, car, motorcycle) that we've all
> come upon on Skyline, 84, 9, 92, and the rest of the Santa Cruz
> Mountains roads. Friends of mine saw a dead motorcyclist hanging in a
> tree on the east descent on 84.
> ===========
>
> Two years ago my son and I went 5 or 6 weeks straight of coming across
> motorcycle carnage on our Sunday rides. The most-popular spot was on the
> west side of Haskins, about halfway down. There's a corner at the end of
> a long straight section that they overcook consistently. One did die. We
> didn't know it at the time. As if he went straight, with his motorcycle
> about 30 feet down the embankment, stuck upright between some trees.
> Looked pretty funny and worth a good laugh until we found out later he
> didn't make it. Some really stupid squids out there. At least, in
> general, they're fairly decent towards bicyclists.

Very familiar with the turn on Haskins you're talkin about. THere are a couple of
slight doglegs leading to that turn but in the short distance from the point where
the road transistions into a downhill, you can pick up a *lot* of speed. The turn is
kind of off camber at the beginning and it tightens up a bit - add the gravity feed
and you have trouble for those not paying attention. I really enjoy the descent of
Haskins Hill, though. And that turn is part of why I like it.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Please make this plot for me...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/330196c39805e2b1?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 3:24 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On May 14, 8:26 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Excellent job, my conclusion - there's no correlation because they're
> all doping. Or, there's no correlation because the UCI "suspicion
> index" is bullshit. Pick your poison.

Also choice C - you can't make a donkey into a racehorse.
Probably all three have elements of truth. However, it doesn't
necessarily prove the suspicion index is bullshit. It's a suspicion
index, not a conviction index. One might expect it to be noisy,
and also the correlation of blood doping with results to be not 1:1.

The interesting pieces of this comparison, I think, are that the
correlation is bad (so it's not like whoever does the most
grossly obvious blood packing is automatically in the top 10)
and that the bottom half of the peloton has a lot of zeroes,
which is either an artifact of how often they get tested, or
suggests they don't do as much complex blood
manipulation.

It would be a little more revealing to compare to UCI points
since a non-GC rider can have a good Tour, winning stages
etc, and still be somewhere in the middle on GC.

Fredmaster Ben


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 7:38 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<6a1a2a8e-6e26-4ab6-8ec7-e1a76643deb9@17g2000prr.googlegroups.com>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 14, 8:26 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Excellent job, my conclusion - there's no correlation because they're
> > all doping. Or, there's no correlation because the UCI "suspicion
> > index" is bullshit. Pick your poison.
>
> Also choice C - you can't make a donkey into a racehorse.
> Probably all three have elements of truth. However, it doesn't
> necessarily prove the suspicion index is bullshit. It's a suspicion
> index, not a conviction index. One might expect it to be noisy,
> and also the correlation of blood doping with results to be not 1:1.

And therefore should never be published.

--
Old Fritz

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Liz Hatch Update
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/66ae86a82520c50b?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 6:28 pm
From: Zenon


http://www.cervorosso.com/index.php?section=news&cmd=details&newsid=39

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 8:00 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On May 15, 8:28 pm, Zenon <zenon_jask...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cervorosso.com/index.php?section=news&cmd=details&newsid=39

Of course someone will make sure they get a photo of Liz with her
dildo ?

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Le Gamin au Velo - finally a cycling film to erase the memory of
Quicksilver.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6d8b905d16a55973?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 8:15 pm
From: Anton Berlin


http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/may/15/le-gamin-velo-polisse-cannes

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2011/5/15/1305477791970/Le-Gamin-au-V-lo-007.jpg

==============================================================================

You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "rec.bicycles.racing"
group.

To post to this group, visit http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing?hl=en

To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rec.bicycles.racing+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com

To change the way you get mail from this group, visit:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/subscribe?hl=en

To report abuse, send email explaining the problem to abuse@googlegroups.com

==============================================================================
Google Groups: http://groups.google.com/?hl=en

No comments:

gsk

https://secure.shareit.com/shareit/checkout.html?PRODUCT[300429992]=1&languageid=1&stylefrom=300429992&backlink=http%3A%2F%2Fforexguide.blogspot.com&cookies=1¤cies=USD&pts=VISA,MASTERCARD,AMEX,DC