Thursday, July 14, 2011

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Today's topics:

* Kenrick Ellis - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1e9bfcf3aaee7b98?hl=en
* It's only $9 billion ... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/07fee50f9b172189?hl=en
* The PC Gestapo at it again... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3d91f489d0991729?hl=en

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TOPIC: Kenrick Ellis
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1e9bfcf3aaee7b98?hl=en
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Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 6:51 pm
From: Hammer


On Jul 12, 7:34 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Jul 12, 6:44 pm, A J <a...@fogliettaandson.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 12, 2:36 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 12, 1:41 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
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> > > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> > > >news:6cef7b95-3096-44ed-8a0d-e891fda56e5c@v7g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Jul 12, 10:10 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > X-No-Archive: Yes
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> > > > > I hope he keeps his nose clean. If you are the Jets do you try &
> > > > > bring in Jenkins for $1Mm or $2MM with no guarantee?
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> > > > > Friday, July 8, 2011
> > > > > Kenrick Ellis gets trial rescheduled
> > > > > By Rich Cimini
> > > > > ESPNNewYork.com
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> > > > > New York Jets draft pick Kenrick Ellis, originally scheduled to stand
> > > > > trial next Tuesday in Hampton, Va., for felony assault, received a
> > > > > continuance and was rescheduled for Nov. 28, an official from the
> > > > > Hampton Circuit court said Friday.
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> > > > > Because that would occur in the middle of the season, assuming the
> > > > > NFL's labor dispute is settled, Ellis' recently-hired attorney likely
> > > > > will request another continuance. That would push the case into next
> > > > > offseason at the earliest.
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> > > > > Ellis was indicted a month before the April draft on the charge of
> > > > > malicious wounding, a Class 3 felony in Virginia. If convicted, he
> > > > > faces up to 20 years in prison.
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> > > > > A potential complication is that Ellis is not a U.S. citizen,
> > > > > ESPNNewYork.com has learned. Ellis, a native of Jamaica who moved to
> > > > > Florida at the age of 11, has "permanent resident" status. A permanent
> > > > > resident convicted of an aggravated felony is deportable, according to
> > > > > immigration law.
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> > > > > Jets blog
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> > > > > Jets Looking for more on
> > > > > the green and white? ESPNNewYork.com has you covered. Blog
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> > > > > Because of the enormous stakes, Ellis' best move is to negotiate a
> > > > > plea bargain before he gets to court, according to three immigration
> > > > > lawyers contacted by ESPNNewYork.com. That, they agreed, is the likely
> > > > > outcome.
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> > > > > The key is to make sure that any plea arrangement isn't classified as
> > > > > an aggravated assault and carries less than a one-year sentence,
> > > > > suspended or otherwise, according to Virginia-based immigration
> > > > > attorney Bill Kovatch.
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> > > > > "There's a reason (for the Jets) to be worried ... because if it's an
> > > > > aggravated felony, there's nothing that can be done," said Kovatch,
> > > > > who doesn't represent Ellis. "He gets deported and there's no waiver."
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> > > > > The Jets, who said at the time of the draft that they were
> > > > > "comfortable" with the risk after investigating Ellis and the
> > > > > incident, declined to comment Friday on the potential ramifications of
> > > > > the case because it's still pending. Ellis, a 6-foot-5, 345-pound nose
> > > > > tackle, was selected in the third round.
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> > > > > Ellis was arrested April 12, 2010, by the Hampton University police
> > > > > department, a few days after he allegedly attacked another man,
> > > > > identified in court records as Dennis Eley, a student at Hampton.
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> > > > > Details are sketchy because the school won't release the arrest
> > > > > report. A school spokesperson denied ESPNNewYork.com's request,
> > > > > claiming it's part of an ongoing investigation by the district
> > > > > attorney and that Hampton isn't subject to the Freedom of Information
> > > > > Act because it's a private institution.
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> > > > > The DA's office declined to comment, and Ellis' lawyer, Tim Clancy,
> > > > > didn't return multiple phone messages.
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> > > > > People close to Ellis have said that Eley harassed his girlfriend and
> > > > > came after him with a baseball bat, prompting the lineman to act in
> > > > > self-defense.
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> > > > > A month after the indictment, Eley filed a civil suit, asking for $3
> > > > > million in damages. According to the lawsuit, obtained by
> > > > > ESPNNewYork.com, Ellis attacked Eley without provocation at a secluded
> > > > > location on campus, breaking his nose and his jaw in two places. Eley
> > > > > required two surgeries, the suit claims.
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> > > > > Ellis has yet to be served with the suit, Eley's lawyer said Friday.
> > > > > The lawyer, S. Howard Woodson, said there have been "preliminary"
> > > > > discussions with Ellis' attorney regarding a possible financial
> > > > > settlement. Woodson said Eley was forced to drop out of school because
> > > > > of the injuries and is now working in the Washington, D.C. area.
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> > > > > Because of the pending charge, and because he was previously dismissed
> > > > > from the South Carolina team for failing multiple drug tests, Ellis
> > > > > was deemed a draft risk. A general manager from another team, speaking
> > > > > on the condition of anonymity, said his team shied away from Ellis
> > > > > because of the criminal charge and its potential ramifications on his
> > > > > residency status.
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> > > > > "That was big for us," the GM said. "It's a pain in the tail, the
> > > > > whole legal issue."
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> > > > > A person that commits a crime of "moral turpitude" is deportable,
> > > > > according to immigration law. It's a broad and subjective term that
> > > > > can be used for any crime that U.S. Citizenship and Immigration
> > > > > Services deems offensive, but it usually refers to a vile and depraved
> > > > > act, done with reckless, malicious or evil intent.
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> > > > > One big factor in Ellis' favor: He has been a permanent resident for
> > > > > more than five years. Even if he's convicted of a crime of moral
> > > > > turpitude, as long as it's a misdemeanor -- a sentence less than one
> > > > > year -- it won't affect his residency status, Kovatch said. But a
> > > > > repeat offense, he said, would make him deportable.
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> > > > > Rich Cimini covers the Jets for ESPNNewYork.com.
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> > > > bring in jenkins for 1 to 2 mm so long as he agrees to wear his brace.
> > > > on both knees.  last year's re-injury might not have occured if he had
> > > > been wearing a brace.  this whole business with k. ellis looks dicey.
> > > > i have been wondering what sort of legal advice the jets got prior to
> > > > drafting him.  did their advisor take into account possible
> > > > deportation ???
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> > > > There are too many factors that will not work in favor of Ellis I think.
> > > > Seems like the Jets took a big risk on this one.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > papa... i agree... what im not understanding most of all is this...
> > > ellis fills a need in that at his size, he is a bona fied NT...
> > > still... he was never considered by any scouting review or "expert"
> > > account as a marquee prospect.  he's a run stuffer that lacks "suh"
> > > like potential to dominate and impact a game.  why would you take a
> > > chance with a guy that has two assault cases pending and two drug
> > > testing issues if he is not something real special.  it really does
> > > appear to be an unwarranted gamble.  What do the jets know that I
> > > don't ??? are they now addicted to picking problem cases for its own
> > > sake ???
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> > My guess is that contract language will specifically void the
> > agreement if, as a result of the adjudication of the existing charges
> > in question, deportation is the result..- Hide quoted text -
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> that would account for the cash, but the #3 pick is still up the spout
> if he gets deported- Hide quoted text -
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Maybe he can come back in on a work visa? :)

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TOPIC: It's only $9 billion ...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/07fee50f9b172189?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 13 2011 2:57 am
From: Percy Flage


... not even a proper Billion.

Just split it 50:50 and have done with it. Let's play FOOTBALL!

--
Ian

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TOPIC: The PC Gestapo at it again...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3d91f489d0991729?hl=en
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Date: Wed, Jul 13 2011 8:24 am
From: Michael


OK... Here we go again...

Obviously, Harrison is not a diplomat...

Some of what we have had from Harrison.

On Goodell: ""If that man was on fire and I had to piss to put him
out, I wouldn't do it," Harrison said, per the Associated Press""

Harrison also called Goodell a "crook" and a "devil" and a "puppet"
and a "dictator." Harrison also called Goodell somthing that reports
are clling an "anti-gay slur,"" See below

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/7/13/2273646/james-harrison-roger-goodell-mens-journal-pittsburgh-steelers

Here is my bro bono written statement for Harrison...

"I have nothing to apologize for... The associated press can apologize
to me for misrepresenting me in the press. I didn't make any anti
homosexual statements. I don't even know what Godelle does in his
spare time when he isnt scape goating me for the physical nature of
our sport. When I say he's being gay, I mean he's being a real sissy,
not a homosexual. May be I need to apologize for slurring every 90
pound weakling in the world, but I don't have any problems with what
anyone one does like that in their personal life. I want an honest
apology from them about that. This is real nonsense... First I'm
getting targeted because I hit people on a football field and now I'm
getting blamed for this ??? Come on man... "


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