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* Pats Soft - Michael-Mark Pissing Match - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f74be03237a4cf2e?hl=en
* Turner has Broken Leg - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/32837cadc48cccd7?hl=en
* Jets - Texans game thoughts - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Vlad Ducasse - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e07f45c011829a7f?hl=en
* Believing In Rex - 1 messages, 1 author
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* ESPN's Power Rankings - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d73968ebcf5b9305?hl=en
* Romantic fascinating girl can meet here in chat rooms - 1 messages, 1 author
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* alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a8fe1353b6c5c17d?hl=en

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TOPIC: Pats Soft - Michael-Mark Pissing Match
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f74be03237a4cf2e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 4:43 pm
From: MZ


On Aug 17, 6:47 pm, "MLD" <M...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:bac09c25-2290-4c95-ac31-04d956066661@a4g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 17, 2:14 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 2:02 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 17, 12:49 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 16, 6:32 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 16, 6:22 pm, "MLD" <M...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:4ded1884-c5a7-4a26-8411-fb4d6b11d456@w11g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > On Aug 16, 2:17 pm, "MLD" <M...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > >news:954f9fcb-4398-44f5-8b60-e5a7292f6509@b34g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > On Aug 15, 9:00 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > This is the secret the NFL, ESPN, etc. dare not speak of: the
> > > > > > > > Pats are
> > > > > > > > soft and will never win anything of note until they become
> > > > > > > > tough. Yet
> > > > > > > > because the Pats in so many ways keep a lid on things led by
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > pretty-boy QB, stake-holders dare not challenge their public
> > > > > > > > persona.
>
> > > > > > > > When they should. When they should see the Pats for what the
> > > > > > > > contenders do: a soft outfit skating by on their past
> > > > > > > > (cheating-
> > > > > > > > based?) achievements.
>
> > > > > > > > The Pats remain a top-heavy team: kill Brady, you kill the
> > > > > > > > Pats.
>
> > > > > > > you dont really have to kill brady, just stuff up their system
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > the jets did in the playoffs. i agree that they need more
> > > > > > > tuffness on
> > > > > > > defense just as much as i think they need a big star WR instead
> > > > > > > of WR
> > > > > > > by retread committee. they had that line with wilfork, seymour
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > warren in front of big smart lb's. it worked to stop the run on
> > > > > > > 1st
> > > > > > > and 2nd. then they had a nice one gap pressure package to put in
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > third down. they also had elite skill at the cb position. now
> > > > > > > old beel-
> > > > > > > a-chick thinks he can win all of his battles with retreads and
> > > > > > > budget
> > > > > > > low round draft picks and he sophmoricaly kisses off quality
> > > > > > > manpower
> > > > > > > to get "value" for them.
>
> > > > > > > Based on your expert analysis I guess the Pats are destined for
> > > > > > > last place
> > > > > > > and out of the Playoffs. Why are you guys so memorized by the
> > > > > > > Pats? You're
> > > > > > > just not going to make them go away by worrying about them and
> > > > > > > talking
> > > > > > > yourselves into how lousy they are. You don't see any of this
> > > > > > > "Oh woe is
> > > > > > > me" re-Jets on the Pat's NG. Perhaps you should read the
> > > > > > > following article
> > > > > > > written by one of your NY
> > > > > > > writers.http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/16/2011-new-england-patrio...
> > > > > > > MLD
>
> > > > > > no... the pats are destined to win the div, lose to the jets in
> > > > > > one of
> > > > > > the regular season games and fall flat in the playoffs, especially
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > they meet up with the jets there. the jets are destined to make
> > > > > > waves
> > > > > > and headlines and sawagger their way to a wild card and quite
> > > > > > probably
> > > > > > back again deep in the playoffs... of course, this is all barring
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > major injury(s) to either team.
>
> > > > > > That might have been the scenario except for the fact (and past
> > > > > > history)
> > > > > > that when BB decides he has to fix something he usually gets it
> > > > > > right. This
> > > > > > time he went after fixing the defensive line, third down problems,
> > > > > > the pass
> > > > > > rush and getting another WR to add to the current mix. He has
> > > > > > always done
> > > > > > well adapting to the skill set of the player rather than force the
> > > > > > player
> > > > > > into something he might not be good at. The team additions by
> > > > > > themselves
> > > > > > may not accomplish that goal to your way of seeing things but from
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > point view, the sum of the parts becomes bigger than the whole. I
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > think the Pats will lose 2 out of 3 to the Jets this year--that
> > > > > > is, assuming
> > > > > > the Jets make the Playoffs.
> > > > > > MLD- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > could be... this is all guess work. a football rolls funny some
> > > > > times... i'd think the pats would still do well to carry a major
> > > > > stud
> > > > > wr. i will tell you how to beat the rex jets... you dont beat the
> > > > > jets defense with scheme. rex is too smart. you beat rex with a few
> > > > > elite players that he cant scheme for... manning, santonio and ben
> > > > > repistburger all sent his defensive scheme packing in the playoffs.
> > > > > not because they had the better system... it was one of a kind
> > > > > individual ability that rex's brian power cant accont for. if you
> > > > > want the pats to get around the jets, rely less on bb's brains and
> > > > > system and throw talented offensive skill players at him that are
> > > > > beyond his control.
>
> > > > Which stud WR are you talking about that the Pats should have gone
> > > > after?
>
> > > any top rated guy in any of the last three drafts... look what the
> > > falcons just did with jones...
>
> > > i expext it is not possible for you to consider my point as you appear
> > > to be a hard core belichic shill. some of what worked at austerlitz
> > > to an ideal economy did not work well at waterloo
>
> > Yeah, I'm a real Belichick apologist. Didn't I just criticize him as
> > recently as yesterday re: Solder?
>
> Solder was a good pick.  Needs work, but will probably wind up being a
> high quality LT for a good long time. I see him as being very much
> like the Jets D'Brick.  He'll take his knocks early one if he plays
> before he's developed, but once he gets up to speed physically, you'll
> see how smart BB was in picking him.   Good LT's dont fall out of the
> sky... It was smart of BB to recognize what Solder can be.
>
> > Eric said it best: "The easiest and least costly way to improve a team
> > is to find the weak points and bring them up to a good level, not
> > take the good parts and try to
> > elevate them further."
>
> > The Pats had the #1 offense in the league last year. This was more
> > due to their passing game than their running game. They further
> > improved the passing unit by adding Ochocinco. And you think this is
> > going to be a problem for them. Unbelievable.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> their #1 offense being billed by one commentator after another as the
> best in the nfl, unstopable, their best offense ever... even better
> than 2007... no one can stop them... And what happens ??? They play
> the Jets at home... who were as big of an underdog as you have seen
> all season... And... The Pats mesianic offense was frustrated and
> contained. I submit to you again... You'll see that repeated again
> this year.  They will beat a lot of teams... But not the Jets in the
> playoffs.  They may not beat the Jets all season.
>
> Don't know what you do to earn your bread and butter but isn't it a bit
> feeble to pit your football insight against BB or any coach for that matter.
> There you are laying out a plan on how BB can beat the Jets--we all put in
> our two cents but when push comes to shove we're well below the novice
> level.  The Pats won Super Bowls with mostly "no names " and a lot of good
> schemes and planning. As I noted earlier,  it's the right guy in the right
> place doing what he's best at--not necessarily all first round picks.  It's
> not rocket science to think that BB has the Jets on his mind and he will
> figure it out---that's what he's good at.
> MLD

Mostly with you, but those "no names" turned out to be really good
players (even if for only short periods of time). For example, Otis
Smith in '01 and Tyrone Poole in '03 had stellar years at CB; Ted
Washington had an amazing year at NT in '03; and guys like Tedy
Bruschi, Joe Andruzzi, and Troy Brown were among the best at their
positions for a stretch of 2-3 years, but won't be remembered as being
top tier players because their prime was so short-lived. Was there a
better ILB in football than Bruschi in '03? Maybe Lewis, but that's
about it. Was there a better CB than Law between '01-03? No way, not
even Bailey. There weren't very many better SS's than Rodney in '03
and '04, and Dillon in '04 was 2nd in rushing yards. Nobody outside
of New England is going to remember those guys up there with Brady,
but they were arguably every bit as important.

I'd like to give Belichick's schemes a lot of credit, and some of them
deserve it ('04 defensive scheme against the Eagles, '01 defensive
scheme against the Rams), but he's had some great personnel to work
with. Those championship teams had very few holes. The '01 team had
terrible depth, so I guess that's a hole, but that was a season where
injuries weren't a big factor (except at QB of course).

The common theme in all of those championship teams was that Belichick
built primarily through the draft and supplemented the roster with
aging veterans. It evidently worked. This is exactly the strategy
he's using now. The last two big money free agents he signed from
other teams were Rosevelt Colvin and Adalius Thomas. At the time,
they were both among the top free agents available. Neither became
major contributors, and they didn't win championships.

Tannenbaum went for the big splash in all years except this one.
Yeah, they went for Asi, but not really. I like some of the theories
(e.g. shortened camp so don't bring in new faces...was that Harlan?).
They make sense. Or, they're just out of money. Either way, the Jets
are banking on scheme this year, because they haven't seemed to fix
any of the problems from last year. That's not to say they won't be
contenders -- they were a pretty good team last year and figure to be
one again. But bringing back essentially the same team with very few
prospects hoping to make a splash makes the Jets maybe a little more
predictable than other teams.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 5:17 pm
From: Michael


On Aug 17, 7:43 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Aug 17, 6:47 pm, "MLD" <M...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:bac09c25-2290-4c95-ac31-04d956066661@a4g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 17, 2:14 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 17, 2:02 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 17, 12:49 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 16, 6:32 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Aug 16, 6:22 pm, "MLD" <M...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > >news:4ded1884-c5a7-4a26-8411-fb4d6b11d456@w11g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2:17 pm, "MLD" <M...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > > >news:954f9fcb-4398-44f5-8b60-e5a7292f6509@b34g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 9:00 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > This is the secret the NFL, ESPN, etc. dare not speak of: the
> > > > > > > > > Pats are
> > > > > > > > > soft and will never win anything of note until they become
> > > > > > > > > tough. Yet
> > > > > > > > > because the Pats in so many ways keep a lid on things led by
> > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > pretty-boy QB, stake-holders dare not challenge their public
> > > > > > > > > persona.
>
> > > > > > > > > When they should. When they should see the Pats for what the
> > > > > > > > > contenders do: a soft outfit skating by on their past
> > > > > > > > > (cheating-
> > > > > > > > > based?) achievements.
>
> > > > > > > > > The Pats remain a top-heavy team: kill Brady, you kill the
> > > > > > > > > Pats.
>
> > > > > > > > you dont really have to kill brady, just stuff up their system
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > the jets did in the playoffs. i agree that they need more
> > > > > > > > tuffness on
> > > > > > > > defense just as much as i think they need a big star WR instead
> > > > > > > > of WR
> > > > > > > > by retread committee. they had that line with wilfork, seymour
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > warren in front of big smart lb's. it worked to stop the run on
> > > > > > > > 1st
> > > > > > > > and 2nd. then they had a nice one gap pressure package to put in
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > third down. they also had elite skill at the cb position. now
> > > > > > > > old beel-
> > > > > > > > a-chick thinks he can win all of his battles with retreads and
> > > > > > > > budget
> > > > > > > > low round draft picks and he sophmoricaly kisses off quality
> > > > > > > > manpower
> > > > > > > > to get "value" for them.
>
> > > > > > > > Based on your expert analysis I guess the Pats are destined for
> > > > > > > > last place
> > > > > > > > and out of the Playoffs. Why are you guys so memorized by the
> > > > > > > > Pats? You're
> > > > > > > > just not going to make them go away by worrying about them and
> > > > > > > > talking
> > > > > > > > yourselves into how lousy they are. You don't see any of this
> > > > > > > > "Oh woe is
> > > > > > > > me" re-Jets on the Pat's NG. Perhaps you should read the
> > > > > > > > following article
> > > > > > > > written by one of your NY
> > > > > > > > writers.http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/16/2011-new-england-patrio...
> > > > > > > > MLD
>
> > > > > > > no... the pats are destined to win the div, lose to the jets in
> > > > > > > one of
> > > > > > > the regular season games and fall flat in the playoffs, especially
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > they meet up with the jets there. the jets are destined to make
> > > > > > > waves
> > > > > > > and headlines and sawagger their way to a wild card and quite
> > > > > > > probably
> > > > > > > back again deep in the playoffs... of course, this is all barring
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > major injury(s) to either team.
>
> > > > > > > That might have been the scenario except for the fact (and past
> > > > > > > history)
> > > > > > > that when BB decides he has to fix something he usually gets it
> > > > > > > right. This
> > > > > > > time he went after fixing the defensive line, third down problems,
> > > > > > > the pass
> > > > > > > rush and getting another WR to add to the current mix. He has
> > > > > > > always done
> > > > > > > well adapting to the skill set of the player rather than force the
> > > > > > > player
> > > > > > > into something he might not be good at. The team additions by
> > > > > > > themselves
> > > > > > > may not accomplish that goal to your way of seeing things but from
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > point view, the sum of the parts becomes bigger than the whole. I
> > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > think the Pats will lose 2 out of 3 to the Jets this year--that
> > > > > > > is, assuming
> > > > > > > the Jets make the Playoffs.
> > > > > > > MLD- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > could be... this is all guess work. a football rolls funny some
> > > > > > times... i'd think the pats would still do well to carry a major
> > > > > > stud
> > > > > > wr. i will tell you how to beat the rex jets... you dont beat the
> > > > > > jets defense with scheme. rex is too smart. you beat rex with a few
> > > > > > elite players that he cant scheme for... manning, santonio and ben
> > > > > > repistburger all sent his defensive scheme packing in the playoffs.
> > > > > > not because they had the better system... it was one of a kind
> > > > > > individual ability that rex's brian power cant accont for. if you
> > > > > > want the pats to get around the jets, rely less on bb's brains and
> > > > > > system and throw talented offensive skill players at him that are
> > > > > > beyond his control.
>
> > > > > Which stud WR are you talking about that the Pats should have gone
> > > > > after?
>
> > > > any top rated guy in any of the last three drafts... look what the
> > > > falcons just did with jones...
>
> > > > i expext it is not possible for you to consider my point as you appear
> > > > to be a hard core belichic shill. some of what worked at austerlitz
> > > > to an ideal economy did not work well at waterloo
>
> > > Yeah, I'm a real Belichick apologist. Didn't I just criticize him as
> > > recently as yesterday re: Solder?
>
> > Solder was a good pick.  Needs work, but will probably wind up being a
> > high quality LT for a good long time. I see him as being very much
> > like the Jets D'Brick.  He'll take his knocks early one if he plays
> > before he's developed, but once he gets up to speed physically, you'll
> > see how smart BB was in picking him.   Good LT's dont fall out of the
> > sky... It was smart of BB to recognize what Solder can be.
>
> > > Eric said it best: "The easiest and least costly way to improve a team
> > > is to find the weak points and bring them up to a good level, not
> > > take the good parts and try to
> > > elevate them further."
>
> > > The Pats had the #1 offense in the league last year. This was more
> > > due to their passing game than their running game. They further
> > > improved the passing unit by adding Ochocinco. And you think this is
> > > going to be a problem for them. Unbelievable.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > their #1 offense being billed by one commentator after another as the
> > best in the nfl, unstopable, their best offense ever... even better
> > than 2007... no one can stop them... And what happens ??? They play
> > the Jets at home... who were as big of an underdog as you have seen
> > all season... And... The Pats mesianic offense was frustrated and
> > contained. I submit to you again... You'll see that repeated again
> > this year.  They will beat a lot of teams... But not the Jets in the
> > playoffs.  They may not beat the Jets all season.
>
> > Don't know what you do to earn your bread and butter but isn't it a bit
> > feeble to pit your football insight against BB or any coach for that matter.
> > There you are laying out a plan on how BB can beat the Jets--we all put in
> > our two cents but when push comes to shove we're well below the novice
> > level.  The Pats won Super Bowls with mostly "no names " and a lot of good
> > schemes and planning. As I noted earlier,  it's the right guy in the right
> > place doing what he's best at--not necessarily all first round picks.  It's
> > not rocket science to think that BB has the Jets on his mind and he will
> > figure it out---that's what he's good at.
> > MLD
>
> Mostly with you, but those "no names" turned out to be really good
> players (even if for only short periods of time).  For example, Otis
> Smith in '01 and Tyrone Poole in '03 had stellar years at CB; Ted
> Washington had an amazing year at NT in '03; and guys like Tedy
> Bruschi, Joe Andruzzi, and Troy Brown were among the best at their
> positions for a stretch of 2-3 years, but won't be remembered as being
> top tier players because their prime was so short-lived.  Was there a
> better ILB in football than Bruschi in '03?  Maybe Lewis, but that's
> about it.  Was there a better CB than Law between '01-03?  No way, not
> even Bailey.  There weren't very many better SS's than Rodney in '03
> and '04, and Dillon in '04 was 2nd in rushing yards.  Nobody outside
> of New England is going to remember those guys up there with Brady,
> but they were arguably every bit as important.
>
> I'd like to give Belichick's schemes a lot of credit, and some of them
> deserve it ('04 defensive scheme against the Eagles, '01 defensive
> scheme against the Rams), but he's had some great personnel to work
> with.  Those championship teams had very few holes.  The '01 team had
> terrible depth, so I guess that's a hole, but that was a season where
> injuries weren't a big factor (except at QB of course).
>
> The common theme in all of those championship teams was that Belichick
> built primarily through the draft and supplemented the roster with
> aging veterans.  It evidently worked.  This is exactly the strategy
> he's using now.  The last two big money free agents he signed from
> other teams were Rosevelt Colvin and Adalius Thomas.  At the time,
> they were both among the top free agents available.  Neither became
> major contributors, and they didn't win championships.
>
> Tannenbaum went for the ...
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

the jets did nothing to improve ??? what do you call drafting
wilkerson and k. ellis ??? above all they needed help on the d-line.
the lack of pressure from the olb's was a result of having to multi-
task. as i have pointed out before... if either one of the two guys
they drafted for the line can two gap, pace and blt will all of a
sudden look good again and so will their pass rush.


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Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 5:45 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

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>> news:4e4bd1e3$1@news.x-privat.org...
>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>> The shit hath hit the fan already...Ducasse is NOT salvagable. They
>>>> better have something to trade. This is why the D guy is playing O.
>>>
>>> Good point but I am an optimist by nature & practising at one position,
>>> getting moved to another & then playing a 3rd in one game will keep me
>>> from giving up this soon.
>>
>>
>> :-) LOL...it's a modern American corporate practice...multi-tasking so
>> you can do a lot of things half assed and none of them well. My last
>> place of employment loved it and could never figure out why they
>> continued on a downward spiral when they had once been so great.
>
> I rewatched part of the game as I was getting ready. It is not good but
> really not at the level some describe.
>
> The lack of off season was bad timing but I don't get this jumping around.
> How is a young player who played at lower level than most going to master
> one position? was Callahan, Ryan & Schott at your hospital?
>
> I am no expert but it appears the nature of tackle, especially on passing
> downs, seems drastically different than guard. In some of the plays you
> can see his power. Hey, he at least has film to watch this week.


The non athlete inverted V buffoons at my last place of work were the types
who used every football analogy they could, "huddle up on this", "get a grip
on the ball", "we've gotta take it to the red zone"...and on and on...it was
obvious none of them ever played...but they went to a lot of motivational
trainings that used the football analogies. BTW...this was a psych
hospital....there is a phenomenon called parallell process...when the
patients aren't nuts enough, some of the staff fills the void. This tribe
did a great job of that. And it was always about filling multiple roles (we
treated patients who felt they could do that) and getting the most out of
what we had and "playing with 110 %" That is called obsessive compulsive to
some...but OK if you're working for them.

Seriously...I'm with you...the two positions are different. Who knows what
they are really thinking.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 5:47 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"JohnC(TX)" <johnctxjetsspam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e4bae20@news.x-privat.org...
>
> "Papa Carl" <papa.carl@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:_vKdncCENIU4S9fTnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5127ff18-17de-41a0-a41c-a729460195a6@u20g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 16, 12:36 am, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:X-No-
>> Archive: Yes
>>> My worst fear is that Sanchez is going to get hurt with the offensive
>>> line so questionable.. McKnight's blocking is horrible!
>>
>> Ritchie, I would say the opposite. All I saw was that he picked up
>> the blitz. Granted, one time Reed ran him over but 250 vs 180 that
>> will happen. Leon Washington was here how long & I never saw him pick
>> up the blitz in his career as many times as McKnight did in one game.
>>
>> Difference...Washington NEVER was even left in position to pick it
>> up...it never looked like he was supposed to be doing that and he flat
>> out could not block at all. When McKnight tries to do it he gets
>> leveled....the way he is doing it either he or the QB will get
>> killed...there IS a way for 185+ to attack 250 and it is not the way
>> McKnight did it.
>
>
> Not to run two threads but he got blown up once & made the block 3-4
> times.
>
> On Washington I disagree. He never saw it. You mean to tell me they
> changed the entire offense for LT so he could pick up the blitz? How many
> times did he do it last year?


No...they did not change the offense...they had to know Washington could not
pick up a blitz or would he even attempt to do it...hence he went into a
pattern more than not. When you know a guy can not, will not block you
still try to get him to do something useful.

I don't think McKnight was successful in those attempts...he may have gotten
in the way, but he is going to get killed in how he does it...he will not be
healthy long if he does not improve and my guess is he will avoid it when he
gets caved in a few more times.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 5:48 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"JohnC(TX)" <johnctxjetsspam@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Papa Carl" <papa.carl@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:eIudne9489JbSNfTnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5b403e51-4f34-41d5-a2d3-68417123f433@eb1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 15, 10:05 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:495937eb-1096-4be1-b038-035c58e96127@w11g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> > Oh my Gawd.
>>>
>>> > He is just atrocious. Perhaps the worst Olineman ever drafted by the
>>> > organization, let alone with the 2nd round pick. He won't make the
>>> > team. We have serious issues on this Oline. SERIOUS
>>>
>>> > On a brighter note, Kyle Wilson actually knew where the ball was at
>>> > times.
>>>
>>> > 2010 draft = very very bad (so far)
>>>
>>> And McKnight can NOT block, and runs crappy pass routes....but the worst
>>> is..he is going to get Sanchez killed.
>>
>> Papa, I just posted that I thought he picked up the blitz. Are you
>> saying technically what he was doing or mentally? He at least saw it
>> which is more than I can ever say about Leon Washington. I will re-
>> watch it but I truly was pleased he saw the blitz several times &
>> actually blocked.
>>
>> He got blown up ! He has no power at all...he sits and waits for the
>> guy to run into him. He will get killed himself doing it this way.
>
>
> I saw that happen once but I was just happy he saw it. I saw him pick up
> the blitz 3-4 times, which like I have said ad nauseum, Leon never did.
>
> Its fixable, correct?


If he has some "pop" it is fixable...if he wants to hit, it is
fixable...with him it is technique and something he probably never did.


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 9:17 pm
From: JetsLife


On Aug 15, 10:01 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Oh my Gawd.
>
> He is just atrocious.  Perhaps the worst Olineman ever drafted by the
> organization, let alone with the 2nd round pick.  He won't make the
> team.  We have serious issues on this Oline.  SERIOUS
>
> On a brighter note, Kyle Wilson actually knew where the ball was at
> times.
>
> 2010 draft = very very bad (so far)

Relax big guy. He's still a kid acclimating. And it's preseason - hard
to judge anything. Vlad's destiny will be decided over the next 3
years.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 9:13 pm
From: JetsLife


On Aug 17, 11:16 am, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
> On 8/16/2011 11:28 AM, Tutor wrote:
>
> >> Wilson made some plays so maybe there is hope.
>
> > No I was the guy trying to be the voice of reason vs. Jonny and all
> > the other anti-Brick guys from the first day he entered camp.  He's
> > come around big.  I don't see the same potential in Vlad.  He was lost
> > out there.  A matador without a cape.
>
> Ahem...that's Johnny, you ignorant slut!  And if you'll notice, I've
> gone soft on Brick the last two years.  He has grown into a serviceable
> LT.  He's still not a bona fide Pro Bowler, let alone an All Pro, but he
> has improved over his first three less than stellar years.
>
> But I'm still not sure about Vlad.  Shoot me.  He's been played all over
> the place.  Maybe he needs NOT to be an all-purpose O-lineman.  Give one
> job to do at a time.  Then lets see.  But there was certainly better
> options for us in the second round (even though I thought it was a
> pretty piss poor draft through and through), and that I put on Tannenbaum.

Lol re "ignorant slut" - assuming you got that from Mick Jagger on SNL
or was there a previous sighting?


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 18 2011 12:03 am
From: Tutor


On Aug 18, 12:17 am, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 15, 10:01 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh my Gawd.
>
> > He is just atrocious.  Perhaps the worst Olineman ever drafted by the
> > organization, let alone with the 2nd round pick.  He won't make the
> > team.  We have serious issues on this Oline.  SERIOUS
>
> > On a brighter note, Kyle Wilson actually knew where the ball was at
> > times.
>
> > 2010 draft = very very bad (so far)
>
> Relax big guy. He's still a kid acclimating. And it's preseason - hard
> to judge anything. Vlad's destiny will be decided over the next 3
> years.

Sure. You keep count of the number of players he gets killed and get
back to us. 50/50 he's not on the roster next year at this time. He
doesn't seem to have any football instincts. Likely bust.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 18 2011 12:08 am
From: Tutor


On Aug 17, 11:16 am, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
> On 8/16/2011 11:28 AM, Tutor wrote:
>
> >> Wilson made some plays so maybe there is hope.
>
> > No I was the guy trying to be the voice of reason vs. Jonny and all
> > the other anti-Brick guys from the first day he entered camp.  He's
> > come around big.  I don't see the same potential in Vlad.  He was lost
> > out there.  A matador without a cape.
>
> Ahem...that's Johnny, you ignorant slut!  And if you'll notice, I've
> gone soft on Brick the last two years.  He has grown into a serviceable
> LT.  He's still not a bona fide Pro Bowler, let alone an All Pro, but he
> has improved over his first three less than stellar years.
>
> But I'm still not sure about Vlad.  Shoot me.  He's been played all over
> the place.  Maybe he needs NOT to be an all-purpose O-lineman.  Give one
> job to do at a time.  Then lets see.  But there was certainly better
> options for us in the second round (even though I thought it was a
> pretty piss poor draft through and through), and that I put on Tannenbaum.

Brick and Mangold were outstanding picks. Ducasse is lost. No
instincts.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 18 2011 12:06 am
From: Tutor


On Aug 18, 12:13 am, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 17, 11:16 am, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 8/16/2011 11:28 AM, Tutor wrote:
>
> > >> Wilson made some plays so maybe there is hope.
>
> > > No I was the guy trying to be the voice of reason vs. Jonny and all
> > > the other anti-Brick guys from the first day he entered camp.  He's
> > > come around big.  I don't see the same potential in Vlad.  He was lost
> > > out there.  A matador without a cape.
>
> > Ahem...that's Johnny, you ignorant slut!  And if you'll notice, I've
> > gone soft on Brick the last two years.  He has grown into a serviceable
> > LT.  He's still not a bona fide Pro Bowler, let alone an All Pro, but he
> > has improved over his first three less than stellar years.
>
> > But I'm still not sure about Vlad.  Shoot me.  He's been played all over
> > the place.  Maybe he needs NOT to be an all-purpose O-lineman.  Give one
> > job to do at a time.  Then lets see.  But there was certainly better
> > options for us in the second round (even though I thought it was a
> > pretty piss poor draft through and through), and that I put on Tannenbaum.
>
> Lol re "ignorant slut" - assuming you got that from Mick Jagger on SNL
> or was there a previous sighting?

Are you for real? The phrase "Jane, you ignorant slut" was made famous
on SNL by Dan Akyroyd in the late 1970's.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 8:36 pm
From: JetsLife


Specifically his comments regarding his "baby" as he's apparently
referred to Sanchez cuz they came in at the same time.

Godfather Rex said a couple times Sanchez will some day be the
strength of the team, in contrast to a real or perceived weakness.

As a jaded lifelong Jets fanatic, I've admittedly taken some of Rex's
bravado with a grain of salt. Praise be to the football Gods, a lot of
his boastful checks have cleared. Of course except the only one that
matters.

I digress. I think Rex knows a thing or two about football. All of his
checks have cleared except the biggest one. Maybe he's on to
something. Knock on wood I think he's right: Sanchez is going be a
strength for this team.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 9:03 pm
From: JetsLife


On Aug 15, 12:10 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c6b4155f-9e50-41f2-8bec-bbb4283e424e@a31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Laughable. Green Bay No. 1 - obvious good choice.
>
> > But then the Pats, Eagles, Saints, in that order, ahead of the
> > Steelers? Hilarious.
>
> > Pittsburgh goes to its 3rd Super Bowl last year in the past what 5
> > years, yet ESPN ranks them below three teams that lost in the first
> > round of the playoffs last year. Lol
>
> I don't get your point.  That was then, this is now.  Change in players,
> P'burgh got tons of breaks to make it to where they were, including playing
> the Jets lack luster first half effort.  With the changes made by
> Philadelphia I would put them very high in any rankings, maybe the Pats too.
> Historically, there is a big drop off for any team that loses the Super
> Bowl...so that ranking makes a lot of sense to me.

Point taken.

I like to go by results. Much as it pains me to say, the Steelers may
have the best program in the league. All they do is go to / win Super
Bowls. To me NE & NO are finesse teams possibly going nowhere of note
fast. Lighting up the scoreboard means nothing if you can't defend. If
their defenses improve that'll help them.

Philly's ranking I can semi understand, they are indeed loaded across
almost the entire board. Yet their dog-killer QB didn't wow in the
postseason - at home - last season. Jury is out on Vick's postseason
wherewithal.

So to me: placing those three teams ahead of Pittsburgh is folly.
Hell, putting them ahead of the glorious Jets is also questionable.
Last we heard the Jets, Pittsburgh, GB & Chicago were the last four
standing. In a sense that's where any preseason rankings should begin.
And with the Jets ranked No. 1.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 10:44 pm
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