Tuesday, August 9, 2011

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* Sorry, not impressed with Jets FO so far this summer. - 5 messages, 4
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d1aabf64b09fd4a5?hl=en
* Braylon has another brush with the law - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/864e0d6763e5d96a?hl=en
* In Rexus We Trustus - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/de63010ec4df92bb?hl=en
* Know What? Rex Is Just A Good Guy - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2396780f35a69bf0?hl=en
* our arrogant Front Office: - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e2af2f61cddcbf75?hl=en
* Plax a Jet - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/013afaf2d303441e?hl=en
* What would the Giants take for Osi? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e8e0b677ddbc1723?hl=en
* Pats get Haynesworth for a 5th - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/11127cd72fa3f5fa?hl=en
* With the addition of Ochocinco, the Pats still dont have a single WR - 3
messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ffc431ec3cbc96a6?hl=en
* Brad Smith's loss has a silver lining. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0fe798aa8edfa470?hl=en
* Revis Island and Cro's Nest ready to go... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/fbf3fa7606b06408?hl=en

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TOPIC: Sorry, not impressed with Jets FO so far this summer.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d1aabf64b09fd4a5?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 2:16 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"graybeard" <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:38bd3758u3nukuqbrdjrkkqdjvcje9c4gm@4ax.com...
> In a year with the best class of free agents in my memory, and while
> teams like the Pats and Eagles have markedly improved their rosters, the
> Jets lone significant acquisition is a 34 year old WR who hasn't played
> football in 2 years. Where are the pieces the Jets so badly needed, like
> the pass rusher and safety? I'm sorry, but someone has to explain to me
> how this makes the team one iota better than they were last year.
>
> I don't know why the Jets have developed an aversion to Braylon Edwards,
> but I would have preferred re-signing him over bringing in Plaxico. This
> has nothing to do with personalities or transgressions, but is based on
> purely pragmatic reasons. Edwards is 6 years younger, was a key
> contributor last year who made a number of important catches, and has a
> good working relationship with Sanchez. Burress, when visiting the
> Giants, Eagles, and Jets, DID NOT WORK OUT for any of them. For all we
> know, the guy is a hamstring pull waiting to happen.
>
> The Jets are really rolling the dice on this one. For all our sakes, I
> hope the come-out comes up 7 instead of Snake Eyes.
> --
> graybeard

Gray...completely agree with you. I'd much rather stick with Braylon than
this situation. And they will go nowhere without a pass rushing threat.
That was the achilles heel of the defense down the stretch last year. I
don't get this at all. OMHO Papa Carl


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 5:20 am
From: JetsLife


On Aug 1, 9:44 am, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In a year with the best class of free agents in my memory, and while
> teams like the Pats and Eagles have markedly improved their rosters, the
> Jets lone significant acquisition is a 34 year old WR who hasn't played
> football in 2 years. Where are the pieces the Jets so badly needed, like
> the pass rusher and safety? I'm sorry, but someone has to explain to me
> how this makes the team one iota better than they were last year.
>
> I don't know why the Jets have developed an aversion to Braylon Edwards,
> but I would have preferred re-signing him over bringing in Plaxico. This
> has nothing to do with personalities or transgressions, but is based on
> purely pragmatic reasons. Edwards is 6 years younger, was a key
> contributor last year who made a number of important catches, and has a
> good working relationship with Sanchez. Burress, when visiting the
> Giants, Eagles, and Jets, DID NOT WORK OUT for any of them. For all we
> know, the guy is a hamstring pull waiting to happen.
>
> The Jets are really rolling the dice on this one. For all our sakes, I
> hope the come-out comes up 7 instead of Snake Eyes.
> --
> graybeard

Relax, The sky is not falling. Remember, this team remains loaded and
hungry.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 6:14 am
From: Tutor


On Aug 1, 9:44 am, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In a year with the best class of free agents in my memory, and while
> teams like the Pats and Eagles have markedly improved their rosters, the
> Jets lone significant acquisition is a 34 year old WR who hasn't played
> football in 2 years. Where are the pieces the Jets so badly needed, like
> the pass rusher and safety? I'm sorry, but someone has to explain to me
> how this makes the team one iota better than they were last year.
>
> I don't know why the Jets have developed an aversion to Braylon Edwards,
> but I would have preferred re-signing him over bringing in Plaxico. This
> has nothing to do with personalities or transgressions, but is based on
> purely pragmatic reasons. Edwards is 6 years younger, was a key
> contributor last year who made a number of important catches, and has a
> good working relationship with Sanchez. Burress, when visiting the
> Giants, Eagles, and Jets, DID NOT WORK OUT for any of them. For all we
> know, the guy is a hamstring pull waiting to happen.
>
> The Jets are really rolling the dice on this one. For all our sakes, I
> hope the come-out comes up 7 instead of Snake Eyes.
> --
> graybeard

Re: Pass rushers

What pass rusher FA would you have liked? Cullen Jenkins? Vastly
overrated. There just weren't that many out there. Haynesworth is a
4-3 DE that for 2 years has been a problem. Belichick is taking a no-
risk (5th rounder, I think) to see if he can use him on obvious
passing downs when NE changes up to a 4-3 type scheme. Wise move, but
he is costing $5 Million. Look, Belichick has proven he can reform
and tame malcontents and make them productive (Dillon, Randy Moss).
He now has the true test in Haynesworth. Other than him, there were
NO pass rushers out there in FA. They just drafted 2 DLs. Kendrick
Ellis to replace Jenks (Cullen's big bro) and Wilkerson. There's the
future. Edge pass rusher not available now and will have to wait for
next year. Meanwhile they should resign Shaun Ellis for one more
season.

As for Braylon:

First, I really wanted Braylon back. I was a big Edwards should
retrurn supporter. Thought he had a solid season. But nobody on this
team, players and coaches alike, it seems, wanted him back. Nobody.
Not one. In an interview with Jenkins last month (upon his retirement)
he alluded to Braylon as a chronic "complainer". During the entire
off season, comments from other players, such as Sanchez continually
referred to Holmes, not Braylon. Proof in the pudding that Braylon
was not wanted is not having Sanchez go to bat for him. Now, Arizona
sports radio is reporting that he is asking for $50M and 5 years. No
f-ing way. He'll be lucky to get $6M. Braylon has continual off the
field problems and one more infraction will put him in jail (let alone
suspension form NFL). His probation in Ohio was just extended by 1
year and now it is reported that his entourage was engaged in a big
fight where someone got slashed with a knife. He is a chronic fuck up
and will not change. Apparently, the Jets have had enough of his
sheet. His best friend is Kerry Rhodes, so that should tell you a lot
about him.

Overall, the Jets are not quite yet to the point where they were last
year. They could not possibly pay Brad SMith $15 million /4 years as
Buffalo did. That's too much for a Special Team guy, especially with
the new kickoff rules greatly limiting returns. The loss of Brad
Smith I hopew will be a plus in reducing or eliminating the wildcat
gadget stuff, which usually killed Sanchez's rhythm. LT is capable of
doing that anyway. Didn't need Brad Smith at $4+M per year for that
nonsense.

Whether the Jets improved or not will depend on the 2011 draft picks,
and just as improtantly, the development of the 2010 1st and 2d
rounders. So far, the 2010 draft is a wreck, with zero contribution
from Wilson and Ducasse. I've been patient with them, but if they
don't step up this year, then last year's draft will have been a
colossal bust.

Meanwhile, The addition of Ocho (to replace Randy moss) on the Pats
was a solid move. But Revis eats Ocho for lunch. But Ocho will be
better with Brady as opposed to Palmer. Still, not too worried about
him. Haynesworth is a crap shoot. Slight improvement there. The
rest f their defense still is inferior to the Jets. Theuir running
game depends on the 2d and 3rd round picks from the 2011 draft.

Miami improved? Really? Reggie Bush? What else? Daniel Thomas?
we'll see.

At this point I'm ok with the off season in that Holmes and Cro are
returning. Plax can be a great stop-gap repalcement for the next year
or two for Edwards. 2 inches taller, better hands and a nose for the
end zone that Braylon will never have. And at $3million, not a bad
risk. Optimistic about the draft and the addition of our new tutor
for Schottenheimer, fresh out of retirement from Indianapolis, who is
attending camp this week. (He may be the BEST of our off season
additions).


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 6:36 am
From: Tutor


On Aug 1, 5:16 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "graybeard" <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:38bd3758u3nukuqbrdjrkkqdjvcje9c4gm@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In a year with the best class of free agents in my memory, and while
> > teams like the Pats and Eagles have markedly improved their rosters, the
> > Jets lone significant acquisition is a 34 year old WR who hasn't played
> > football in 2 years. Where are the pieces the Jets so badly needed, like
> > the pass rusher and safety? I'm sorry, but someone has to explain to me
> > how this makes the team one iota better than they were last year.
>
> > I don't know why the Jets have developed an aversion to Braylon Edwards,
> > but I would have preferred re-signing him over bringing in Plaxico. This
> > has nothing to do with personalities or transgressions, but is based on
> > purely pragmatic reasons. Edwards is 6 years younger, was a key
> > contributor last year who made a number of important catches, and has a
> > good working relationship with Sanchez. Burress, when visiting the
> > Giants, Eagles, and Jets, DID NOT WORK OUT for any of them. For all we
> > know, the guy is a hamstring pull waiting to happen.
>
> > The Jets are really rolling the dice on this one. For all our sakes, I
> > hope the come-out comes up 7 instead of Snake Eyes.
> > --
> > graybeard
>
> Gray...completely agree with you.  I'd much rather stick with Braylon than
> this situation.  And they will go nowhere without a pass rushing threat.
> That was the achilles heel of the defense down the stretch last year.  I
> don't get this at all. OMHO Papa Carl- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I agreed until it became clear that he had no support from any of his
teammates or from the coaching. Jenkins pretty much said he was a
locker room cancer (just like his good buddy Sherry Rhodes) in a
recent interview. Plus the latest brush with the law. Jets did not
feel he was worth $8 - $10 Mill per year when he is one more
infraction away from a jail cell (Ohio probabtion was just extended
one year due to the DUI in NY). Holmes no angel either, heis one toke
away from a 1 yr suspension. Hopefully there is financial preotection
built into his contract. But at least Sanchez and the team supports
him.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 6:57 am
From: Michael


On Aug 1, 5:16 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "graybeard" <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:38bd3758u3nukuqbrdjrkkqdjvcje9c4gm@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In a year with the best class of free agents in my memory, and while
> > teams like the Pats and Eagles have markedly improved their rosters, the
> > Jets lone significant acquisition is a 34 year old WR who hasn't played
> > football in 2 years. Where are the pieces the Jets so badly needed, like
> > the pass rusher and safety? I'm sorry, but someone has to explain to me
> > how this makes the team one iota better than they were last year.
>
> > I don't know why the Jets have developed an aversion to Braylon Edwards,
> > but I would have preferred re-signing him over bringing in Plaxico. This
> > has nothing to do with personalities or transgressions, but is based on
> > purely pragmatic reasons. Edwards is 6 years younger, was a key
> > contributor last year who made a number of important catches, and has a
> > good working relationship with Sanchez. Burress, when visiting the
> > Giants, Eagles, and Jets, DID NOT WORK OUT for any of them. For all we
> > know, the guy is a hamstring pull waiting to happen.
>
> > The Jets are really rolling the dice on this one. For all our sakes, I
> > hope the come-out comes up 7 instead of Snake Eyes.
> > --
> > graybeard
>
> Gray...completely agree with you.  I'd much rather stick with Braylon than
> this situation.  And they will go nowhere without a pass rushing threat.
> That was the achilles heel of the defense down the stretch last year.  I
> don't get this at all. OMHO Papa Carl- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well... They did get back the two pieces they needed most... Santonio
and Cro. I dont blame them for going after Nnamdi even though it did
not work out. Since Cro told them ahead of time he was gong to let
the market develop before he signed, Tanny knew he would still have a
good chance to get Cro even of Nnamdi fell through. To be honest... I
dont think Nnamdi would have helped that much more than Cro can. And
now Cro has a chip on his shoulder and wants to proove himself, so...
All good as far as Cro goes. The pass rush may very well improve even
without a new edge rusher...All the need is for Wilkerson to play well
or K. Ellis not to get deported. If either one of them can take up
two blockers, you'll see Pace, BLT and S. Ellis (if he returns) start
looking a lot better off the edge. As far as them ignoring Edwards...
When Santonio and Edwards came to the Jets they both had issues. The
Jets got a deal because of that. I am POSITIVE that Tanny-Rex-Woody
told them both they had a clean slate with the Jets and a second
chance... BUT... If you screw up in our uniform after we stuck our
necks out, we dont want you back. Santonio keep out of trouble,
Edwards screwd up again. That is why they dont want him back. They
will remind Plax and K. Ellis that they can go the way of Santonio
with a nice contract after representing the Jets in a good manner, or
they can piss off if they screw up again like Edwards. IMHO... Plax
wont come out of the box in good shape, but once he gets his sea leggs
under him, he'll be more valuable to Sanchez than Edwards was.

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TOPIC: Braylon has another brush with the law
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 8:04 pm
From: Tutor


No wonder none of the Jets players or brass had any interest in
wanting him back.


Braylon Edwards has another brush with the law
Posted by Mike Florio on August 1, 2011, 10:24 PM EDT
Getty ImagesFree-agent receiver Braylon Edwards, not far removed from
pleading guilty to DUI and having his probation in Cleveland for an
assault charge extended, nearly got himself into another jam in
Michigan early Monday.

According to FOX 2 in Detroit, two people in Edwards' entourage were
arrested after allegedly assaulting employees at a Birmingham bar.

Per the report, Edwards' friends got into an argument with the
employees. The dispute made its way into the kitchen, and one employee
was "sliced with a knife." The wound required 14 stitches to close.
Another employee allegedly was attacked with a fork. (Alas, the
Placesetting Trifecta was not completed, possibly because Braylon
dropped the spoon.)

Edwards reportedly posted the following on Twitter at about the same
time: "Damn. Get ya knuckles ready" and "Don't fight if. You don't
know how."

Curiously, Edwards recently posted the following message: "Yo…Lost my
phone last night someone sent tweets. Deleted them and changed my
password. Sorry for the mishap hopefully never happens again!" (We'd
like to think that, if someone found Edwards' phone and realized they
had access to his Twitter page, they would have been a lot more
creative than "Damn. Get ya knuckles ready" and "Don't fight if. You
don't know how.")

Edwards wasn't arrested and he faces no charges. However, the fact
that he was present when the incident went down possibly could become
an issue regarding his probation in Cleveland.

It also could take any remaining air out of the market for Edwards'
services.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 8:28 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6bfdb014-582a-4ac2-a8c8-f837ec26f054@p20g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
No wonder none of the Jets players or brass had any interest in
wanting him back.


Braylon Edwards has another brush with the law
Posted by Mike Florio on August 1, 2011, 10:24 PM EDT
Getty ImagesFree-agent receiver Braylon Edwards, not far removed from
pleading guilty to DUI and having his probation in Cleveland for an
assault charge extended, nearly got himself into another jam in
Michigan early Monday.

According to FOX 2 in Detroit, two people in Edwards' entourage were
arrested after allegedly assaulting employees at a Birmingham bar.

Per the report, Edwards' friends got into an argument with the
employees. The dispute made its way into the kitchen, and one employee
was "sliced with a knife." The wound required 14 stitches to close.
Another employee allegedly was attacked with a fork. (Alas, the
Placesetting Trifecta was not completed, possibly because Braylon
dropped the spoon.)

Edwards reportedly posted the following on Twitter at about the same
time: "Damn. Get ya knuckles ready" and "Don't fight if. You don't
know how."

Curiously, Edwards recently posted the following message: "Yo…Lost my
phone last night someone sent tweets. Deleted them and changed my
password. Sorry for the mishap hopefully never happens again!" (We'd
like to think that, if someone found Edwards' phone and realized they
had access to his Twitter page, they would have been a lot more
creative than "Damn. Get ya knuckles ready" and "Don't fight if. You
don't know how.")

Edwards wasn't arrested and he faces no charges. However, the fact
that he was present when the incident went down possibly could become
an issue regarding his probation in Cleveland.

It also could take any remaining air out of the market for Edwards'
services.

OK...he is an idiot...and so are most current day wide receivers apparently.
He is a real idiot.

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TOPIC: In Rexus We Trustus
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/de63010ec4df92bb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 10:11 pm
From: JetsLife


He's made a lot of pronouncements, most of which have come true.

He's said more than once some day "Mark will be known as the strength
of this team ... "

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TOPIC: Know What? Rex Is Just A Good Guy
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2396780f35a69bf0?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 5:18 am
From: JetsLife


Who also is a great football coach. I just can't help but liking him.
He's humble, genuine, competitive and ain't afraid to be himself. A
true breath of fresh air. Good for him.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 7:07 am
From: Deadmeat


On 8/2/2011 8:18 AM, JetsLife wrote:
> Who also is a great football coach. I just can't help but liking him.
> He's humble, genuine, competitive and ain't afraid to be himself. A
> true breath of fresh air. Good for him.


Dude, if Rex ever comes to a complete stop, your tongue will go so far
up his ass you'll know what he had for dinner.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 7:58 am
From: graybeard


On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 05:18:48 -0700 (PDT), JetsLife <JetsLife@aol.com>
wrote:

>Who also is a great football coach. I just can't help but liking him.
>He's humble, genuine, competitive and ain't afraid to be himself. A
>true breath of fresh air. Good for him.

HUMBLE???!!!
--
graybeard

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TOPIC: our arrogant Front Office:
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 5:30 am
From: Tutor


On Jul 31, 12:45 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 2 AFC champ games in 2 years and you still act like he has no clue? HC
> > position but granted an interview simply out of respect. The good news is
> > that no NFL HC is perfect. The bad news is that Rex still believes he is.
> > --
> >     ~Drew- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My post was not about Rex's coaching. Obviously he has been succesful
and anyopne in their right mind would take him over most other NFL
HCs. It was about his and Tanny's ill conceived quest for Nnamdi.
Unfortunately the Ravens moron troll had to add his 2 cents which
wasn't even worth that much.

Glad they got Plax. Based on Braylon's entourage's latest brush with
the law, I now understand why he became persona non grata, so I
applaud Rex and Tanny for letting him go. Just wonder how much
cheaper than $8 million per season they would have had Cro were it not
for the unnecessary Nnamdi quest. Joseph got about $9M I think, so I
guess Cro would have been around $7 to $7.5.

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TOPIC: Plax a Jet
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 6:39 am
From: Tutor


On Jul 31, 12:41 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> If he can stay healthy it's Plax for Braylon. Plax is more aggressive in
> going to the ball, as I recall. Much cheaper, so I like it.
>
> --
> JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
>
> "Percy Flage" <spuorgelg...@ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:92b3e56f-b52e-4330-bf50-454d123cb810@l37g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Two months removed from jail, Burress agrees to join Jets
>
> > One year deal.
> >http://bit.ly/oeP9HM
>
> > Well, he's paid the price for his stupidity and everyone deserves a
> > second chance.
>
> > With a one year deal, I think this is good for the Jets and Plaxico.
> > He's a big target and we get to see if he's still got the pace he had
> > with the Giants. If he hasn't go the pace we let him go. If he's
> > maintained the skills, the speed and he's learned something, then
> > we've got a good player and a big target to allow Sanchez to "let it
> > air a little".
>
> > --
> > Ian- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And,he isn't despised by his team mates the way Bray was, apparently.
Not a bad risk for $3 million. He'll be 34 but less 2 years of NFL
wear and tear and purportedly in great shape from all the prison
workouts. Much better Red Zone target than Braylon. Braylon, at 6'3"
should have been a tremendous red zone threat, but he never lived up
to that potential either here or in Cleveland. Plax at 6' 5" has
always had a nose for the end zone and great hands.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 6:46 am
From: Tutor


On Jul 31, 2:10 pm, "RävNsfän ®" <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:j140j8$lm5$1@dont-email.me...
> : If he can stay healthy it's Plax for Braylon. Plax is more aggressive in
> : going to the ball, as I recall. Much cheaper, so I like it.
>
> Staying healthy is obviously going to be the key and I attribute Rex's
> decision to sign him to be based on the performance of Plax against the
> Ravens when he played for the Steelers. If the Jets were seriously in need
> of a Plax like player to take them from a third place divisional finish to
> the top I might agree with Rex's gamble. The Jets finished in the playoffs
> however so I don't agree with the Jets need to take such a radical gamble?
>
> It is very likely that Plax can shake off his two year old cobwebs from his
> natural abilities and his experienced pro-skills set. The main question is
> can an enhanced/expedited NFL conditioning regime morph Plax into the degree
> of NFL playing shape that will allow him to avoid serious injury after a
> two-year layoff.
>
> The Jets staff is obviously capable of evaluating most every aspect of a
> players immedite condition and also at creating an enhanced conditioning
> regime for same, I simply question if there is really enough time for the
> appropriet amount NFL conditioning that Plax will require. After-all, any
> remedial conditioning he could attempt while incarcerated would not have
> maintained that which he entered the system with.
>
> So..., Braylon departs and gets picked up somewhere, Plax gets injured in
> camp, preseason, or early in the season, now whom can the Jets turn to
> respective to current depth at the position to provide the performance that
> was similar or better than Braylon Edwards, however adeqaute or inadequate
> Jets fans consider his play during the 2010 season. From where I sit and I
> watched Edwards quite a bit considering his past AFCN team affliation and he
> appeared to be performing very well and actually improving upon prior
> seasons. Plax just seems to be an unreasonable gamble at this point and just
> after the Jets first genuinely earned playoff appearence.
> --
>      ~Drew >

For such an experienced troll, you shouold know that top posting is
obnoxious.

Jets could not afford Braylon. He's asking for 5 yrs at $50M. haha
He'll be lucky to get $6 million. Jets needed that $$$ for Cro,
Holmes and Harris. Can't tie up 17% of the cap in a pair of WRs. Not
smart.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 8:16 am
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<8be4d723-98e2-410d-a969-7ce23d1b4649@p20g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>,
Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jul 31, 2:10 pm, "RävNsfän ®" <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> > "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:j140j8$lm5$1@dont-email.me...
> > : If he can stay healthy it's Plax for Braylon. Plax is more aggressive in
> > : going to the ball, as I recall. Much cheaper, so I like it.
> >
> > Staying healthy is obviously going to be the key and I attribute Rex's
> > decision to sign him to be based on the performance of Plax against the
> > Ravens when he played for the Steelers. If the Jets were seriously in need
> > of a Plax like player to take them from a third place divisional finish to
> > the top I might agree with Rex's gamble. The Jets finished in the playoffs
> > however so I don't agree with the Jets need to take such a radical gamble?
> >
> > It is very likely that Plax can shake off his two year old cobwebs from his
> > natural abilities and his experienced pro-skills set. The main question is
> > can an enhanced/expedited NFL conditioning regime morph Plax into the degree
> > of NFL playing shape that will allow him to avoid serious injury after a
> > two-year layoff.
> >
> > The Jets staff is obviously capable of evaluating most every aspect of a
> > players immedite condition and also at creating an enhanced conditioning
> > regime for same, I simply question if there is really enough time for the
> > appropriet amount NFL conditioning that Plax will require. After-all, any
> > remedial conditioning he could attempt while incarcerated would not have
> > maintained that which he entered the system with.
> >
> > So..., Braylon departs and gets picked up somewhere, Plax gets injured in
> > camp, preseason, or early in the season, now whom can the Jets turn to
> > respective to current depth at the position to provide the performance that
> > was similar or better than Braylon Edwards, however adeqaute or inadequate
> > Jets fans consider his play during the 2010 season. From where I sit and I
> > watched Edwards quite a bit considering his past AFCN team affliation and he
> > appeared to be performing very well and actually improving upon prior
> > seasons. Plax just seems to be an unreasonable gamble at this point and just
> > after the Jets first genuinely earned playoff appearence.
> > --
> >      ~Drew >
>
> For such an experienced troll, you shouold know that top posting is
> obnoxious.
>
> Jets could not afford Braylon. He's asking for 5 yrs at $50M. haha
> He'll be lucky to get $6 million. Jets needed that $$$ for Cro,
> Holmes and Harris. Can't tie up 17% of the cap in a pair of WRs. Not
> smart.

David, based on the history of 35 year old WR who have not been away
from the game for two years, this does not sound great to me.

I would have rather saved the $3 until one of the WR (Floyd, J. Jones,
or Bray) lowered their demands.

I assume they will have to settle for a one year deal for less. That
three mil along with a contract renegotiation would have been sufficient.

harlan

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TOPIC: What would the Giants take for Osi?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e8e0b677ddbc1723?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 6:51 am
From: Tutor


On Jul 30, 1:43 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "graybeard" <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:2oq7375afq11vks1r4lipr3bb4m571fcq9@4ax.com...
>
> > Jets could use a pass rusher. Would Umenyiora fit their scheme?
> > --
> > graybeard
>
> With a top talent in a very much needed role...you make the scheme fit that
> talent...the great coaches made adjustments in those situations, the almost
> but never ones stuck to the scheme only.  He is the kind of guy who makes
> the OC think and usually have to plan for more than one person to deal with
> him...the Jets need that.

agreed. Look Haynesworth a pure 4-3 end but Belichick will adjust
(and Pats fans hope he can adjust more than just the defensive scheme,
but Haynesworth bad attitude too, just like he did with Dillon and
Moss). Problem with Osi is the money. Can the Jets make room under
the cap for him? It took restructuring almost the entire team to be
able to clear room for Aso/Cro. Once Harris is given his deal, and
the Franchise Tag removed, that should clear upwards of $5-6 million.
That could be enough.

More importantly, what draft picks would you be willing to give to the
Giants without screaming that Tanny always trades his picks? Can't
have it both ways.

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TOPIC: Pats get Haynesworth for a 5th
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/11127cd72fa3f5fa?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 6:57 am
From: Tutor


On Jul 29, 4:41 pm, eric <e...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/29/2011 4:16 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article<4e32db81$0$23624$607ed...@cv.net>, eric<e...@nowhere.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 7/29/2011 9:35 AM, Michael wrote:
> >>> On Jul 29, 9:04 am, Tutor<dcat4...@yahoo.com>   wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 28, 4:22 pm, Harlan Lachman<har...@eeivt.com>   wrote:
>
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> <93ecff12-a2df-4674-87ea-45685def0...@cf8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>    John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com>   wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Like the drafting of QB Ryan Mallett, this is another move most teams
> >>>>>> couldn't afford to make because they would run the risk of a
> >>>>>> Haynesworth blowup derailing the season. Patriots don't have to worry
> >>>>>> about that.
>
> >>>>> And that is why, whether or not we get Namdi, that with Brady and lil
> >>>>> Bill, we will be looking up for the foreseeable future.
>
> >>>>> harlan
>
> >>>> Yep.  Belicheatski is the master at picking up oncde-talented ex-stars
> >>>> at the low end of their careers and making them productive once
> >>>> again.  Dillon, R. Moss and perhaps now Fat Albert.  Always at low
> >>>> cost (a 5th rounder this time) and at minimal risk.  We can only hope
> >>>> that Fat Al is the same unmotivated, out of shape, lazy, club house
> >>>> cancer that he has shown himself to be over the last couple of
> >>>> seasons.  I won't be holding my breath on that one.  Look to see many
> >>>> more 4-3 type schemes (there were plenty of those last year anyway)
> >>>> and a more rested Woolfork.  Very good move by Belichick.  Mangold
> >>>> will have to step it up in those games.
>
> >>> Mangold and Moore will hose fat albert down.  Not to worry.
>
> >> In addition to Haynesworth the Pats get back Ty Warren who was on IR all
> >> last year. It will be a far better DL than the Jets saw last year.
>
> >> And by the way it's Wilfork.
>
> > It is not nice to deliver bad news in this NG and correct one's spelling
> > at the same time.
>
> > In ancient Greece, they boiled messengers with such news in oil.
>
> Sorry.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I meant Warren. Was hung up on the spelling thing. Sorry. This
thread is a disaster. out


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 6:56 am
From: Tutor


On Jul 29, 4:16 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article <4e32db81$0$23624$607ed...@cv.net>, eric <e...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 7/29/2011 9:35 AM, Michael wrote:
> > > On Jul 29, 9:04 am, Tutor<dcat4...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> > >> On Jul 28, 4:22 pm, Harlan Lachman<har...@eeivt.com>  wrote:
>
> > >>> In article
> > >>> <93ecff12-a2df-4674-87ea-45685def0...@cf8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > >>>   John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > >>>> Like the drafting of QB Ryan Mallett, this is another move most teams
> > >>>> couldn't afford to make because they would run the risk of a
> > >>>> Haynesworth blowup derailing the season. Patriots don't have to worry
> > >>>> about that.
>
> > >>> And that is why, whether or not we get Namdi, that with Brady and lil
> > >>> Bill, we will be looking up for the foreseeable future.
>
> > >>> harlan
>
> > >> Yep.  Belicheatski is the master at picking up oncde-talented ex-stars
> > >> at the low end of their careers and making them productive once
> > >> again.  Dillon, R. Moss and perhaps now Fat Albert.  Always at low
> > >> cost (a 5th rounder this time) and at minimal risk.  We can only hope
> > >> that Fat Al is the same unmotivated, out of shape, lazy, club house
> > >> cancer that he has shown himself to be over the last couple of
> > >> seasons.  I won't be holding my breath on that one.  Look to see many
> > >> more 4-3 type schemes (there were plenty of those last year anyway)
> > >> and a more rested Woolfork.  Very good move by Belichick.  Mangold
> > >> will have to step it up in those games.
>
> > > Mangold and Moore will hose fat albert down.  Not to worry.
>
> > In addition to Haynesworth the Pats get back Ty Warren who was on IR all
> > last year. It will be a far better DL than the Jets saw last year.
>
> > And by the way it's Wilfork.
>
> It is not nice to deliver bad news in this NG and correct one's spelling
> at the same time.
>
> In ancient Greece, they boiled messengers with such news in oil.
>
> Harlan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

they cut Wooolfrok anyway. :)

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TOPIC: With the addition of Ochocinco, the Pats still dont have a single WR
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ffc431ec3cbc96a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 6:59 am
From: Tutor


On Jul 29, 11:38 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > 1. Chad Ochocinco: Washed up retread.
>
> 80 catches with a QB trying to get traded?
>
> > 2. Branch: Washed up retread.
>
> his time with Pats projects to 70 catches
>
> > 3. Tate: Has proven nothing.
>
> ???
>
> > 4. Welker: System cog. Not a bona fied WR
>
> Huh?
>
>
>
> > 5. Edelman: Wishes he was Welker.
>
> > Put the Ochocinco addition together with Fat Albert and it appears
> > that BB has gone off the deep end.  It can work out well from time to
> > time when you give up a first round pick for additional later picks.
> > It can also work out well to take on a guy in the twilight of his
> > career and get additional production out of him for small risk.
> > BUT... You cant win year in and year out with the habit of thinking
> > you can put a swarm of budget manpower on an NFL field and expect to
> > win anything. The past few years have proven that BB can win without
> > either cheating or at least having a few bona fied stars on the
> > field.
>
> > Nice to see that they are content to hand the division over to the
> > Jets rather than try to bring in elite players for once.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It would be foolish to write off Ocho. He's still got a ton of talent
and can be deadly. Thank goodness Revis eats him for lunch.
Belicheater did fine with malcontents Dillon and Moss. Until proven
otherwise, you have to respect his decision to give Fat Al a chance
for only a 5th rounder and $5 M


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 7:06 am
From: Michael


On Jul 29, 1:03 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Jul 29, 9:44 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > 1. Chad Ochocinco: Washed up retread.
> > 2. Branch: Washed up retread.
>
> For retreads, they both outperformed Santonio Holmes last year, who
> you regularly drool over.  You might be lacking objectivity here,
> Michael.
>
> > 3. Tate: Has proven nothing.
> > 4. Welker: System cog. Not a bona fied WR
>
> Others would claim he's been a top 5 WR in the NFL over the past 4
> years.  His stats certainly bear this out.
>
> > 5. Edelman: Wishes he was Welker.
>
> > Put the Ochocinco addition together with Fat Albert and it appears
> > that BB has gone off the deep end.  It can work out well from time to
> > time when you give up a first round pick for additional later picks.
> > It can also work out well to take on a guy in the twilight of his
> > career and get additional production out of him for small risk.
> > BUT... You cant win year in and year out with the habit of thinking
> > you can put a swarm of budget manpower on an NFL field and expect to
> > win anything. The past few years have proven that BB can win without
> > either cheating or at least having a few bona fied stars on the
> > field.
>
> The Patriots won a super bowl in '01 for no other reason than by
> signing "washed up retreads."
>
> > Nice to see that they are content to hand the division over to the
> > Jets rather than try to bring in elite players for once.
>
> Don't the Jets have to actually win the division for a change before
> you declare them the frontrunners?  The Jets haven't even made any
> additions yet.  They've just lost players.  The Pats return everyone
> from last year, plus all the draft picks they've added and now
> Ochocinco and Haynesworth.

MZ... I not trying to be an ass here or spew fan BS. I know Welker is
super productive and the other guys cotribute. The fact that BB won a
superbowl with recycled guys is exactly what I am trying to get at.
It can work, but I really think BB has made a habbit of avoiding guyz
with super skills because they cost $$$ and in his mind, he does not
need them. The Jets are not that great of a team. They should have
lost Detroit, Cleveland, Texans... Super skilled guys bailed them out
with individual talents. That's what I think the Pats are lacking. A
second punch that you get from guys like Santonio and Revis.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 8:18 am
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<7a4129c4-add6-42f7-9171-6139be715e84@s17g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Jul 29, 1:03 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 9:44 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > 1. Chad Ochocinco: Washed up retread.
> > > 2. Branch: Washed up retread.
> >
> > For retreads, they both outperformed Santonio Holmes last year, who
> > you regularly drool over.  You might be lacking objectivity here,
> > Michael.
> >
> > > 3. Tate: Has proven nothing.
> > > 4. Welker: System cog. Not a bona fied WR
> >
> > Others would claim he's been a top 5 WR in the NFL over the past 4
> > years.  His stats certainly bear this out.
> >
> > > 5. Edelman: Wishes he was Welker.
> >
> > > Put the Ochocinco addition together with Fat Albert and it appears
> > > that BB has gone off the deep end.  It can work out well from time to
> > > time when you give up a first round pick for additional later picks.
> > > It can also work out well to take on a guy in the twilight of his
> > > career and get additional production out of him for small risk.
> > > BUT... You cant win year in and year out with the habit of thinking
> > > you can put a swarm of budget manpower on an NFL field and expect to
> > > win anything. The past few years have proven that BB can win without
> > > either cheating or at least having a few bona fied stars on the
> > > field.
> >
> > The Patriots won a super bowl in '01 for no other reason than by
> > signing "washed up retreads."
> >
> > > Nice to see that they are content to hand the division over to the
> > > Jets rather than try to bring in elite players for once.
> >
> > Don't the Jets have to actually win the division for a change before
> > you declare them the frontrunners?  The Jets haven't even made any
> > additions yet.  They've just lost players.  The Pats return everyone
> > from last year, plus all the draft picks they've added and now
> > Ochocinco and Haynesworth.
>
> MZ... I not trying to be an ass here or spew fan BS. I know Welker is
> super productive and the other guys cotribute. The fact that BB won a
> superbowl with recycled guys is exactly what I am trying to get at.
> It can work, but I really think BB has made a habbit of avoiding guyz
> with super skills because they cost $$$ and in his mind, he does not
> need them. The Jets are not that great of a team. They should have
> lost Detroit, Cleveland, Texans... Super skilled guys bailed them out
> with individual talents. That's what I think the Pats are lacking. A
> second punch that you get from guys like Santonio and Revis.

FWIW, coming from an old fool with little memory, Michael, I think yours
is an interesting and one of your best posts.

There is something to be said for the theory that great players make
great plays in the clutch.

harlan

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TOPIC: Brad Smith's loss has a silver lining.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0fe798aa8edfa470?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 6:55 am
From: Tutor


On Jul 29, 9:27 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 29, 9:46 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 8:40 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > The loss of Brad Smith has a silver lining.  Other than saving money
> > > > on his contract, the Jets will be less inclined to run all that pistol/
> > > > wild cat stuff that breaks the continuity of the offense.  i would
> > > > expect that tom moore would advise them to run a "real" offense even
> > > > if smith was back with the jets, but smith's loss is a sure bet that
> > > > they will lay off that nonsense for good.
>
> > > Except it worked.
>
> > So does an 1970's Ford Pinto, but it'd pass on one of those for a 2011
> > Mustang. The Jets need to run a real offense now and have no reason
> > for gimmics now that Sanchez can take the huggies off.
>
> > > I would have signed VY for two reasons:
>
> > > 1. He is incredibly talented & would be a good back up for Sanchez.
> > > 2. You could really screw teams up with him running the wildcat.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Inaccurate. The Jets deployed the Wildcat sparingly last year. Don't
> make it out the Jets used the Wildcat as an integral part of their
> offense, because they didn't.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

you are crazy. they used at often and at the wrong times

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TOPIC: Revis Island and Cro's Nest ready to go...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 2 2011 6:36 am
From: Tutor


On Aug 1, 2:49 am, "yoyodog" <connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Cro agrees to terms:  four-year, $32 million
>
> Per ESPN NY:http://tinyurl.com/3uo5dus

The "No Fly Zone"


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