Tuesday, September 20, 2011

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Today's topics:

* Blah, blah, blah... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/32febad120f7dd42?hl=en
* So i wonder - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c77c79951fcc35e0?hl=en
* I really hate this offense... - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e85f65bbb211f58b?hl=en
* Kudos to Colin Baxter... Gulp, Mangold... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1061c22f4fdd213d?hl=en
* Did not see the game today, but heard the post game on thr radio - 2
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/47da7f24f8d761d7?hl=en
* Why Wasn't Mangold Immediately Receiving Treatment? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/237b77ec485c1c36?hl=en
* Tom Brady runs like a woman holding in a soaked tampon. - 3 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/abd3529ac028411a?hl=en

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TOPIC: Blah, blah, blah...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/32febad120f7dd42?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 1:16 pm
From: JetsLife


On Sep 13, 6:40 pm, Señor Patriots <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 13, 12:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> > The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> > Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> > The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
> > great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > I just laugh at it.
>
> > Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
> It would be revealing to know how you define greatness.  Apparently
> the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
> most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
> doesn't impress you.  So what does impress you?  Are you watching the
> same sport I'm watching?
>
> If you're arguing that you're sick in the belly of the media attention
> then I can agree with that sentiment.  I agree 100%.  It's an
> embarrassment to humanity. I think the attention is way overblown for
> all of these guys and teams.  It's not real life.  It's a game.
>
> In the context of a game, though, and in discussing facts and numbers
> and records, I don't see another team in the league that compares for
> the last decade (which would be the most relevant decade, I would
> assume).  I would also put the Colts and Steelers in the greatness
> category over that time, but they did not win three and have the best
> overall record and set all those NFL records.  So, I have to say that
> if there is a Gold Standard in the NFL, you be looking at it up in
> Foxboro.

Much of which achieved while likely cheating in a major way. James
Harrison and others have also said as much.

One cannot definitively say the Pats had great success pre-SpyGate
without the aid of cheating. Sorry, that's just reality. Post SpyGate
the Pats have always flamed out in the postseason. Coincidence or not?

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TOPIC: So i wonder
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c77c79951fcc35e0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 2:13 pm
From: "R�vNsf�n �"


"SteelerfanNW" <dave52959@hotmai1.com> wrote in message
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:
: Is the Baltimore D too old now?

Obviously not as long as they keep playing the Steelers. 35-7 stands as it's
own irrefutable evidence.
--
~Drew

"Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

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TOPIC: I really hate this offense...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e85f65bbb211f58b?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 2:44 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 18, 6:51 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:21d4dc56-a764-466d-bb39-6c823e7e0f90@s20g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 18, 2:23 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> > It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the
> > situation.
>
> > Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run,
> > for a 3-yd loss.
>
> > Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more
> > mature out there,
> > & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just
> > aint getting
> > much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> > They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
>
> agreed. But the first drive was outstanding. Now, that said, let'd
> enjoy this win and enjoy what looks to be a real nice season ahead.
> Would hate this forum to become *exclusively* a bitching and moaning
> horror show again. TOday was a convincing and dominating win. Far
> short of perfection which will NEVER happen.
>
> There were some very nice moments. And...I think Sanchez looked really
> good
> when he was getting it done...better than the past.

Papa, if he would just relax. He is more dangerous when he has a
little success. The first pick he had 2-3 guys that would have gotten
him the first down.

He & the OL buried themselves but if he would have taken a deep breath
twice we are up by 10-14 more at half time. The center struggled (3rd
string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
on this makes little sense. The problems in this order were:

1. Injury to Mangold
2. Hunter...could switch one and two
3. The OC
4. Sanchez who is taught and controlled by the OC

Look at the plays & maybe changing it here & there may have helped but
unforced int's when you have options that are open is not a tactical
issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays

Fixed it....see above. Yes...as I have said many times...Sanchez is weak at
times, many times and has flaws...but the only OC he has ever had is an
idiot. He does not have the comfort of developing behind an O line that
protects, or a program with continuity and he got thrown into the mix too
early...I don't see how much more can be expected of him...he is not Cam
Newton.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 2:45 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Percy Flage" <percy.flage_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9dp3dcF4ekU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 19/09/2011 14:40, John C TX wrote:
>> On Sep 18, 6:51 pm, "Papa Carl"<papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> "Tutor"<dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:21d4dc56-a764-466d-bb39-6c823e7e0f90@s20g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 18, 2:23 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
>>>> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the
>>>> situation.
>>>
>>>> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run,
>>>> for a 3-yd loss.
>>>
>>>> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much
>>>> more
>>>> mature out there,
>>>> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez
>>>> just
>>>> aint getting
>>>> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
>>>> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
>>>
>>> agreed. But the first drive was outstanding. Now, that said, let'd
>>> enjoy this win and enjoy what looks to be a real nice season ahead.
>>> Would hate this forum to become *exclusively* a bitching and moaning
>>> horror show again. TOday was a convincing and dominating win. Far
>>> short of perfection which will NEVER happen.
>>>
>>> There were some very nice moments. And...I think Sanchez looked really
>>> good
>>> when he was getting it done...better than the past.
>>
>> Papa, if he would just relax. He is more dangerous when he has a
>> little success. The first pick he had 2-3 guys that would have gotten
>> him the first down.
>>
>> He& the OL buried themselves but if he would have taken a deep breath
>> twice we are up by 10-14 more at half time. The center struggled (3rd
>> string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
>> on this makes little sense. The problems in this order were:
>>
>> 1.Sanchez
>> 2. Hunter
>> 3. injury to Mangold
>>
>> Look at the plays& maybe changing it here& there may have helped but
>> unforced int's when you have options that are open is not a tactical
>> issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
>>
>> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
>>
>
> I'm not so worried about the INTs. The important thing is, during the
> game, that Sanchez doesn't appear worried by them either. He mentions them
> after the game, but he's got a mature mentality for a young QB.
>
> --
> Percy Flage
> "Life is too short to have to explain everyday."

Exactly Percy...he needs to fix it...but it is not as bad as it once
was...and the reasons are more related to him trying too hard than just bad
accuracy or terrible passing.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 2:59 pm
From: John C TX


On Sep 19, 4:44 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:dc43392b-e794-4709-aa2b-de9ac6696aa7@g30g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 18, 6:51 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:21d4dc56-a764-466d-bb39-6c823e7e0f90@s20g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 18, 2:23 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > > It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> > > It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the
> > > situation.
>
> > > Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run,
> > > for a 3-yd loss.
>
> > > Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more
> > > mature out there,
> > > & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just
> > > aint getting
> > > much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> > > They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
>
> > agreed. But the first drive was outstanding. Now, that said, let'd
> > enjoy this win and enjoy what looks to be a real nice season ahead.
> > Would hate this forum to become *exclusively* a bitching and moaning
> > horror show again. TOday was a convincing and dominating win. Far
> > short of perfection which will NEVER happen.
>
> > There were some very nice moments. And...I think Sanchez looked really
> > good
> > when he was getting it done...better than the past.
>
> Papa, if he would just relax. He is more dangerous when he has a
> little success. The first pick he had 2-3 guys that would have gotten
> him the first down.
>
> He & the OL buried themselves but if he would have taken a deep breath
> twice we are up by 10-14 more at half time.  The center struggled (3rd
> string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
> on this makes little sense.  The problems in this order were:
>
> 1. Injury to Mangold
> 2. Hunter...could switch one and two
> 3. The OC
> 4. Sanchez who is taught and controlled by the OC
>
> Look at the plays & maybe changing it here & there may have helped but
> unforced int's when you have options that are open is not a tactical
> issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
>
> Fixed it....see above.  Yes...as I have said many times...Sanchez is weak at
> times, many times and has flaws...but the only OC he has ever had is an
> idiot.  He does not have the comfort of developing behind an O line that
> protects, or a program with continuity and he got thrown into the mix too
> early...I don't see how much more can be expected of him...he is not Cam
> Newton.

We disagree I am shocked.

:)

If he doesn't throw those two picks we are up big & he is on the bench
resting for the 4 Q. Maybe it is Schott but he was not under pressure
for the int's. I can partially agree as Mangold could be a bigger
deal.

The one thing I did notice was this. If we started with 1st & 10 &
had no penalties every drive but one lead (int) to points. I know it
is tough to do but he has issues with 20+ yards for 1st downs.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 5:15 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4159f95e-fd30-4c5a-8066-a4357d045a01@s3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 19, 4:44 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:dc43392b-e794-4709-aa2b-de9ac6696aa7@g30g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 18, 6:51 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:21d4dc56-a764-466d-bb39-6c823e7e0f90@s20g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 18, 2:23 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > > It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> > > It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the
> > > situation.
>
> > > Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT
> > > run,
> > > for a 3-yd loss.
>
> > > Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much
> > > more
> > > mature out there,
> > > & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez
> > > just
> > > aint getting
> > > much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> > > They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
>
> > agreed. But the first drive was outstanding. Now, that said, let'd
> > enjoy this win and enjoy what looks to be a real nice season ahead.
> > Would hate this forum to become *exclusively* a bitching and moaning
> > horror show again. TOday was a convincing and dominating win. Far
> > short of perfection which will NEVER happen.
>
> > There were some very nice moments. And...I think Sanchez looked really
> > good
> > when he was getting it done...better than the past.
>
> Papa, if he would just relax. He is more dangerous when he has a
> little success. The first pick he had 2-3 guys that would have gotten
> him the first down.
>
> He & the OL buried themselves but if he would have taken a deep breath
> twice we are up by 10-14 more at half time. The center struggled (3rd
> string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
> on this makes little sense. The problems in this order were:
>
> 1. Injury to Mangold
> 2. Hunter...could switch one and two
> 3. The OC
> 4. Sanchez who is taught and controlled by the OC
>
> Look at the plays & maybe changing it here & there may have helped but
> unforced int's when you have options that are open is not a tactical
> issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
>
> Fixed it....see above. Yes...as I have said many times...Sanchez is weak
> at
> times, many times and has flaws...but the only OC he has ever had is an
> idiot. He does not have the comfort of developing behind an O line that
> protects, or a program with continuity and he got thrown into the mix too
> early...I don't see how much more can be expected of him...he is not Cam
> Newton.

We disagree I am shocked.

:)

If he doesn't throw those two picks we are up big & he is on the bench
resting for the 4 Q. Maybe it is Schott but he was not under pressure
for the int's. I can partially agree as Mangold could be a bigger
deal.

The one thing I did notice was this. If we started with 1st & 10 &
had no penalties every drive but one lead (int) to points. I know it
is tough to do but he has issues with 20+ yards for 1st downs.
________________________________________________________________

Look, I agree...but I don't think he is that good to start out with...and
the only "teacher" he has had at this level is someone I find to be very
flawed. I do not compare him to the "greats" not a Brady, Manning or any
past great...compare him to the other young QB's who are doing really
well...yes, they make big mistakes too..but their upside tends to be much
brighter and when I look at why that is I often come to the only conclusion
I can...the type of offense he is playing in causes problems for any
QB...including guys like Favre. But...do I think Sanchez was the best
choice they could have made...Hell no.

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TOPIC: Kudos to Colin Baxter... Gulp, Mangold...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 2:48 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 9/19/2011 7:09 AM, John C TX wrote:
> On Sep 19, 3:28 am, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> I thought it was an amazing performance, under the circumstances, for our new Center.
>> I figured he barely knew alignments, etc, but he actually never had taken a snap from
>> Sanchez before.
>> Serious kudos to the kid!
>>
>> On the other hand, how is it that the backup Center, never works with the number ones???
>> You have to give backups some reps, once in a while... this really concerns me.
>> I know they can't get a lot of reps, but none?
>>
>> New York Jets C Colin Baxter, 9.18
>>
>> On his experience of getting into the game:
>>
>> I was nervous at first. But overall it was exciting and it was a fun moment. It was a
>> cool way to kickoff the season really. I would rather get put in late in the game when
>> we're up by a lot. When someone goes down, next man comes up and you have to go in there
>> and perform.
>>
>> On working with quarterback Mark Sanchez:
>>
>> It was a little bit of getting used to Mark (Sanchez) because I never took a snap with him
>> before. I feel like once I settled down, it smoothed out a bit.
>>
>> On his thoughts when he saw starting center Nick Mangold go down:
>>
>> I saw him (Nick Mangold) down and I was thinking, is he going to get up, but he didn't.
>>
>> **********************************************************
>>
>> As for Mangold, judging from what he said afterwards, I think he's gonna be down for a
>> while, even if there's no serious damage.
>> I've been there numerous times with an ankle, the numbness he speaks of... whenever I've
>> been there, we're talking serious sprain& healing time. Yikes.
>>
>> New York Jets C Nick Mangold, 9.18
>>
>> On why he is on crutches after walking off of the field:
>>
>> Just precaution. I felt like I could give it a go, but it (his ankle) didn't want to agree
>> with me on that. I don't know, we're just playing it safe
>>
>> On whether he felt like he could play while he was on the sideline following the play:
>>
>> (I) couldn't really put too much pressure on it. It's not going to do well, trying to go
>> against other guys.
>>
>> On what type of injury it is:
>>
>> We'll get it all tested out tomorrow (and) get a better idea.
>>
>> On whether it can be a variety of things:
>>
>> I guess. I don't know. They haven't given me a medical degree yet, so we're still waiting
>> on that one. (Joking)
>>
>> On whether the bone is not broken:
>>
>> Yeah. X-rays were good, so that's a good start.
>>
>> On whether his ankle feels worse now than it did when he came out of the game:
>>
>> It's probably about the same, but it's nice and numb now, so that's a good thing.
>>
>> On how frustrating this injury is:
>>
>> Very frustrating. It's not what I want. It's not what I expected. It's difficult.
>>
>> On whether there was a lot of concern for him because of the team's lack of depth at
>> center:
>>
>> No more than anybody (else). We've got a great locker room, with guys that care about each
>> other. So I think, no matter who it would be, it would be the same level of concern. I
>> know that the other guys are going to be ready and they're going to get the job done if
>> need be.
>
> Agreed.
>
> I remember thinking Felix really sucks or this guy must be a stud to
> enter the season with a guy who knew nothing about our offense. They
> must be high on the rookie they IR'd.
>
> http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/roster/Taylor-Boggs/8d256068-784b-4f90-8b5c-3be8b150e6de
>


He's not that big, listed at only 285, a mere runt by contemporary
standards for any slot on the O-line.

But Hunter's piss poor play and this injury to Nick (who, IMHO, seems
to be having a less than Mangoldian year so far) to point to a possibly
terminal campaign, i.e., dead in the water. Two years running and no
really significant injuries along the O-line? By my reckoning the odds
against it happening for a third straight year are pretty bad. That and
the fact that Sanchez is still, despite winning as he has, a mediocre
QB. At this point at least. The stats don't really lie that much.

Given that and the handicap that Schitt is, I'm stickin' to 8-8, for
now. Let me see the next three games. If they have a defense to match
the '00 Ravens or '85 Bears, that even with this shitty offense, that
might be able to elevate them to contention for the Vince.

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TOPIC: Did not see the game today, but heard the post game on thr radio
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/47da7f24f8d761d7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 2:50 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Ritchie" <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:04c02d5b-620b-4f3f-bb80-072640818cfe@f17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 18, 10:42 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:

> His play took me back to the Kotite years...some horrible play back
> then...who was the tackle who got guys killed?

Ah man Papa did you have to mention the Kotite years. It took me a
long time to wipe those from my memory!

I tried brother...can't do it...was thinking of going for some kind of
therapy for it. I always felt the Jets should have paid for treatment for
anyone who kept their season's tickets during those years. I'm remembering
an away game in Buffalo I think, Boomer got put under center with some guy
Kotite moved and who had never played left tackle before and got blown up by
Smith...Boomer left the game...am I remembering right? Anyway...I see a lot
of bad O line play when I watch many games now...and agree with some
analysts it could be coming from the shortened training camp. I also think
it is flat out lesser talent and guys who have not played together to
develop as a unit. Along with a D secondary, the O line NEEDS to play
together as a unit. BTW...where I live there are a lot of Eagles
fans...when Richie K came to the Jets they all warned me about entering "The
Kotite Zone"...and would never be the same again :-)


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 2:52 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:bba8e3df-ad83-4336-898a-8257dadac962@y4g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 19, 9:50 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 18, 6:25 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I did not see the game today because I had a wedding to go to. On the
> > way back from Long Island, I did get to hear some of the post game. I
> > hope Mangold is not badly injured.... Was Hunter as bad as the people
> > who called into the show were saying ??? They said he sucked and one
> > guy said he was gonna get Sanchez killed.
>
> Michael, the center had problems but we only picked him up in early
> September so as buRF & PC pointed out he was in bad situation.
> Several times on obvious runs they just destroyed him. Robby Felix in
> pre-season looked better but that was pre-season. I hope this isn't a
> case of the grass looking greener but again Felix hasn't been picked
> up.
>
> Hunter was a mess.
>
> Mangold was walking well this was the last I saw about him.
>
> Sunday, September 18, 2011
> Nick Mangold sprains ankle, to get MRI
> By Jane McManus
> ESPNNewYork.com
>
> EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- All-Pro center Nick Mangold sprained his
> ankle during the first quarter of the New York Jets' 32-3 win against
> the Jaguars on Sunday when teammate Daryl Smith rolled over the
> center's leg.
>
> X-rays were negative, but Mangold, who came into the locker room after
> the game on crutches and with a black walking boot on his right leg,
> will undergo an MRI on Monday.
>
> Jets blog
>
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> the green and white? ESPNNewYork.com has you covered. Blog
>
> "Just precaution," Mangold said of using crutches. "I felt like I
> could give it a go, but it didn't want to agree with me on that. I
> don't know, we're just playing it safe."
>
> Mangold said the ankle not being broken is "a good start," but was
> unsure how long -- or if -- the injury would sideline him.
>
> "I don't expect it to be anything too crazy," he said.
>
> Jets coach Rex Ryan expressed confidence in rookie Colin Baxter, an
> undrafted offensive lineman the Jets picked up off waivers on Sept. 4
> from San Diego and who finished the game at center.
>
> "Baxter stepped in and did a nice job," Ryan said. "It's a similar
> system. We got him from San Diego so the terminology is similar with
> (offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer) coming from San Diego."
>
> Still, the uncertainty is frustrating for Mangold. In his sixth
> season, he has never missed a game. The durable center has started for
> 82 straight regular-season games.
>
> "Very frustrating," Mangold said. "It's not what I want, it's not what
> I expected, it's difficult."
>
> The Jets are thin when it comes to the offensive line. Left tackle
> D'Brickashaw Ferguson, left guard Matt Slauson and right guard Brandon
> Moore were the remaining veterans with Mangold out. Right tackle Wayne
> Hunter has struggled in his first two games as a starter despite a
> year of success as a backup. Of the current backups, Rob Turner has a
> broken right leg and Vlad Ducasse struggled when on the field in the
> preseason. The Jets also have Baxter and guard Caleb Schlauderaff.
>
> "You've got to have confidence in your backups," Hunter said. "I was a
> backup, and I was glad they had confidence in me."
>
> Mangold thought that he would be able to go back into the game after
> feeling pain in the first-quarter collision with the Jets up 9-3. He
> stood on the sideline, but his ankle didn't respond the way he hoped
> it would.
>
> "I was trying," Mangold said, "moving around a little bit and I
> couldn't really do much with it and I knew I'd probably put our team
> in a worse position by trying to go out there."
>
> Midway through halftime, his status was downgraded to doubtful and
> Mangold was in the locker room going through medical tests.
>
> If Mangold is not able to go next week, Baxter could be tapped to
> start. Moore said it meant extra hours for the offensive line this
> week to get the rookie reps with the first team. The line has some
> things to fix -- Hunter had two penalties, Moore was called for an
> illegal man downfield when Baxter gave the wrong snap count.
>
> "Tough position to be put in. He just got here he doesn't get reps
> with the ones," Moore said. "Like most backups he's got to learn
> through the book and be able to come in when he's called upon."
>
> Baxter had surgery on his right meniscus during his senior year at
> Arizona last December. He said it had to be stitched back together but
> despite the extensive nature of the repair he hasn't felt any pain or
> instability. The stitches are barely visible.
>
> "The other team doesn't care that the starting center's gone down,"
> Baxter said. "You just got to go in there play ball and execute it."
>
> Whether or not the Jets should have a little more depth, rather than
> relying on a rookie to possibly go up against Oakland or Baltimore,
> Moore said it's academic.
>
> "I don't work in personnel so depth charts and depth questions I
> really don't get involved in," Moore said. "The guys that are here are
> going to have to be able to play and you move from here."
>
> Jane McManus covers the Jets for ESPNNewYork.com. Information from The
> Associated Press was used in this report.

on mangold... yikes... even though no broken bones, a serious high
ankle sprain can keep you out for weeks... up to eight weeks
depending... you cant put any real force on an ankle with a bad
sprain... after the robert turner injury, this was just about the
worst thing that could happen considering that they have hunter on
that line too... what a mess... i hope mangold is not too bad off.

Actually...I'm really hoping that McKnight or someone did well enough at
some point in preseason or now to create a trade...they NEED to bring in an
O lineman from somewhere...probably more than one. This will get nasty in a
hurry if they don't.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 2:56 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19bd4226-64cf-4d3c-843b-89efe9605d59@z18g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>I know little about treating injuries ... but they shouldn't the Jets
> have started R.I.C.E. or whatever immediately after the injury? Why
> was Mangold standing on the sideline instead of receiving treatment in
> the trainer's room?
>
> Doesn't controlling inflammation immediately speed up the process of
> healing?
>
> Does anyone have any insights on this?

The inflamation comes later...a few hours afterwards...then you put the ice
and such...they know what they are doing. The Jets docs and ortho guys are
the best there is in the game.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 10:14 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <pbidnR6AAeAKJ-rTnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Papa Carl" <papa.carl@verizon.net> wrote:

> "JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19bd4226-64cf-4d3c-843b-89efe9605d59@z18g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >I know little about treating injuries ... but they shouldn't the Jets
> > have started R.I.C.E. or whatever immediately after the injury? Why
> > was Mangold standing on the sideline instead of receiving treatment in
> > the trainer's room?
> >
> > Doesn't controlling inflammation immediately speed up the process of
> > healing?
> >
> > Does anyone have any insights on this?
>
> The inflamation comes later...a few hours afterwards...then you put the ice
> and such...they know what they are doing. The Jets docs and ortho guys are
> the best there is in the game.

Actually, if one waits for the swelling, it is too late. Ice should be
applied immediately to keep the swelling as low as possible. As much as
the injured location can tolerate. Also, till good to have the injured
leg (or arm) elevated.

When it was clear that Mangold was injured more than a little, he should
have been iced and the ankle/back of the leg, elevated.

harlan

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TOPIC: Tom Brady runs like a woman holding in a soaked tampon.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 3:10 pm
From: "Jose Gore"


Seriously. He runs like he has a pole up his butt.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 3:21 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 19/09/2011 7:40 PM, Jose Gore wrote:
> Seriously. He runs like he has a pole up his butt.
>


What are you? 12?

<plonk>

..


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 3:55 pm
From: "Stewart"

"Jose Gore" <con-man@usa.x.com> wrote in message
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> Seriously. He runs like he has a pole up his butt.
>

A pole that goes for 900+ yards and 7 tds in two games. He's the type
of QB that makes the players around him better. I'd take him in a
heartbeat.


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