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* was I'm ashamed to admit I was conned. How to dress warm and proof of the
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TOPIC: Hot hookers @ $1k/week
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 12:24 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On Jan 3, 9:52 am, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/30/former-playmate-izabella-_n_...
>
> Especially one that will put up with the, ahem, incidentals.
Dumbass -
She complained that he lay there like a "dead fish" but WTF? If you're
gonna have sex with an 84 year old man, there is about a 100%
probability that if he does manage to get it up that he's gonna lie
there and expect the chick to do all the work. I mean, he's EIGHTY
FOUR YEARS OLD!
I'm very unimpressed with this woman. If you're gonna lower yourself
to having sex with 84 year old men, don't complain about it. It's your
fault.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
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TOPIC: Triathlism: an incredibly unserious sport
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ec19a0075582348d?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 12:51 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jan 3, 10:10 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 3, 4:18 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jan/02/chrissie-wellington-inter...
>
> > Best female triathlete on the planet wasn't into sports until her 20s,
> > had a creepy relationship with her sex-offender first coach, and can't
> > really ride a bike. I'm not making any of that up.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> She split with the coach and I don't see where it says
> she can't ride a bike, other than that as a novice she
> had to be shown how to clip and unclip from pedals.
> I mean, of course she can't ride a bike, she's a tri-geek,
> but no evidence she's worse than the rest.
One of the first things he did was sign her up to do a long-course
triathlon in Alpe d'Huez, which takes place on some of the gruelling
climbs of the Tour de France. She got a puncture, catapulted over a
crash barrier and still managed to win.
Yes, bike racers crash too, but I promise you that if any pros
catapult over a crash barrier during a TT, then...
1) I will laugh
2) They will not win that race
And also, grading triathletes on the curve of tri bike handling would
be emblematic of the soft bigotry of low expectations. I'm principled
enough to observe that they're terrible.
Mind you, cycling may be the second least serious pro sport around...
> The real problem here is that she gets through the
> bike ride by humming horrible music (at least she
> admits it's horrible) and reciting Kipling to herself.
> Sick.
>
> Fredmaster Ben
== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 12:52 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jan 3, 11:58 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 3, 6:05 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On 1/3/2011 7:11 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> > > Ryan - I think you're wrong. Train for and do an ironman - it's a
> > > fucking bitch.
>
> > Dumbass,
>
> > Hard != Serious
>
> > For example, RAAM is hard.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Triathlon is serious.
>
> There's a decent amount of money at stake. $$$ brings out the
> seriousness.
In theory I can believe that. This interview was empirical evidence
you're wrong.
== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 1:15 pm
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Yes, bike racers crash too, but I promise you that if any pros
> catapult over a crash barrier during a TT, then...
I bet Julich could if he tried a little.
== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 2:15 pm
From: Brad Anders
On Jan 3, 4:18 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jan/02/chrissie-wellington-inter...
>
> Best female triathlete on the planet wasn't into sports until her 20s,
> had a creepy relationship with her sex-offender first coach, and can't
> really ride a bike. I'm not making any of that up.
That's a really amazing article, on so many levels. Not a whole lot of
humility.
== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 3:02 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<5c99e977-2f26-4276-aff3-40d4830cdfc5@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 3, 10:10 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 4:18 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jan/02/chrissie-wellington-inter...
> >
> > > Best female triathlete on the planet wasn't into sports until her 20s,
> > > had a creepy relationship with her sex-offender first coach, and can't
> > > really ride a bike. I'm not making any of that up.
> >
> > Dumbass,
> >
> > She split with the coach and I don't see where it says
> > she can't ride a bike, other than that as a novice she
> > had to be shown how to clip and unclip from pedals.
> > I mean, of course she can't ride a bike, she's a tri-geek,
> > but no evidence she's worse than the rest.
>
> One of the first things he did was sign her up to do a long-course
> triathlon in Alpe d'Huez, which takes place on some of the gruelling
> climbs of the Tour de France. She got a puncture, catapulted over a
> crash barrier and still managed to win.
>
> Yes, bike racers crash too, but I promise you that if any pros
> catapult over a crash barrier during a TT, then...
>
> 1) I will laugh
> 2) They will not win that race
>
> And also, grading triathletes on the curve of tri bike handling would
> be emblematic of the soft bigotry of low expectations. I'm principled
> enough to observe that they're terrible.
>
> Mind you, cycling may be the second least serious pro sport around...
Second only to synchronized swimming.
--
Old Fritz
== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 5:25 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"
Anyone who thinks triathlon is serious should be forced to watch this
over and over until they are cured:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRKajY5GlyI
== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 6:41 pm
From: Fred Flintstein
On 1/3/2011 4:15 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> On Jan 3, 4:18 am, Ryan Cousineau<rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jan/02/chrissie-wellington-inter...
>>
>> Best female triathlete on the planet wasn't into sports until her 20s,
>> had a creepy relationship with her sex-offender first coach, and can't
>> really ride a bike. I'm not making any of that up.
>
> That's a really amazing article, on so many levels. Not a whole lot of
> humility.
To her credit she's aware of her mental illness. She has OCD and
she revels in it. Laff has OCD and he's totally oblivious to it.
Fred Flintstein
== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 6:43 pm
From: Scott
On Jan 3, 4:02 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <5c99e977-2f26-4276-aff3-40d4830cd...@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
> Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 3, 10:10 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 3, 4:18 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jan/02/chrissie-wellington-inter...
>
> > > > Best female triathlete on the planet wasn't into sports until her 20s,
> > > > had a creepy relationship with her sex-offender first coach, and can't
> > > > really ride a bike. I'm not making any of that up.
>
> > > Dumbass,
>
> > > She split with the coach and I don't see where it says
> > > she can't ride a bike, other than that as a novice she
> > > had to be shown how to clip and unclip from pedals.
> > > I mean, of course she can't ride a bike, she's a tri-geek,
> > > but no evidence she's worse than the rest.
>
> > One of the first things he did was sign her up to do a long-course
> > triathlon in Alpe d'Huez, which takes place on some of the gruelling
> > climbs of the Tour de France. She got a puncture, catapulted over a
> > crash barrier and still managed to win.
>
> > Yes, bike racers crash too, but I promise you that if any pros
> > catapult over a crash barrier during a TT, then...
>
> > 1) I will laugh
> > 2) They will not win that race
>
> > And also, grading triathletes on the curve of tri bike handling would
> > be emblematic of the soft bigotry of low expectations. I'm principled
> > enough to observe that they're terrible.
>
> > Mind you, cycling may be the second least serious pro sport around...
>
> Second only to synchronized swimming.
>
> --
> Old Fritz
Or synchronized gerbil-wheel team pursuit
== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 7:22 pm
From: TriGuru55x11
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:52:05 -0800 (PST), Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> On Jan 3, 11:58�am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 6:05�am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/3/2011 7:11 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>>
>>> > Ryan - I think you're wrong. �Train for and do an ironman - it's a
>>> > fucking bitch.
>>
>>> Dumbass,
>>
>>> Hard != Serious
>>
>>> For example, RAAM is hard.
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> Triathlon is serious.
>>
>> There's a decent amount of money at stake. $$$ brings out the
>> seriousness.
>
> In theory I can believe that. This interview was empirical evidence
> you're wrong.
As painful as that video was to watch that, I still want to thank you.
That hit me hard and this for me was a real "moment of truth" "wake up and
smell the taint" kind of realization, I think I learned some valuable
things to help further train my clients.
I don't usually read this board and it is good to see there's worthwhile
information being posted.
== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 8:36 pm
From: Scott
On Jan 3, 8:22 pm, TriGuru55x11 <tri_trai...@contractor.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:52:05 -0800 (PST), Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 11:58 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
> > <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 3, 6:05 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> On 1/3/2011 7:11 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> >>> > Ryan - I think you're wrong. Train for and do an ironman - it's a
> >>> > fucking bitch.
>
> >>> Dumbass,
>
> >>> Hard != Serious
>
> >>> For example, RAAM is hard.
>
> >> Dumbass -
>
> >> Triathlon is serious.
>
> >> There's a decent amount of money at stake. $$$ brings out the
> >> seriousness.
>
> > In theory I can believe that. This interview was empirical evidence
> > you're wrong.
>
> As painful as that video was to watch that, I still want to thank you.
>
> That hit me hard and this for me was a real "moment of truth" "wake up and
> smell the taint" kind of realization, I think I learned some valuable
> things to help further train my clients.
>
> I don't usually read this board and it is good to see there's worthwhile
> information being posted.
Reminds me of my first ever triathlon... almost. I went to great
lengths to recon the route from the swim finish to where I'd racked my
bike, since I'd read how hectic it could be to search for your bike in
all the confusion. No one told me that if you're next to last coming
out of the water, it's not hard at all to find your bike. When I
think of all the time/energy I wasted that morning,...
== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 9:51 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Jan 3, 7:41 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 1/3/2011 4:15 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
> > On Jan 3, 4:18 am, Ryan Cousineau<rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jan/02/chrissie-wellington-inter...
>
> >> Best female triathlete on the planet wasn't into sports until her 20s,
> >> had a creepy relationship with her sex-offender first coach, and can't
> >> really ride a bike. I'm not making any of that up.
>
> > That's a really amazing article, on so many levels. Not a whole lot of
> > humility.
>
> To her credit she's aware of her mental illness. She has OCD and
> she revels in it. Laff has OCD and he's totally oblivious to it.
She's destroying the competition - it kinda sounds like
any humility would be forced. I'd rather read that then
listen to yet another football player modestly thanking God
for his success (like God cares about beating the Broncos.
Okay, maybe God does care about vanquishing the
Broncos, but that doesn't explain His intervention in all
other games each week.)
Of course, she's destroying them partly because the
field is thin, but still, I think you practically have to have OCD
to be a top endurance athlete. I mean, not just the
training, but the whole weighing-the-oatmeal baggage.
It's not that you have to weigh the oatmeal to win -
it's that you have to have that need to care enough
to weigh it.
Fredmaster Ben
Obsessive, yet not a top endurance athlete
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TOPIC: was I'm ashamed to admit I was conned. How to dress warm and proof of
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 12:53 pm
From: Duane Hébert
On 1/3/2011 3:23 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> Op 3-1-2011 14:41, andresmuro@aol.com schreef:
>> On another note, when dressing up. Too much is always preferable. All
>> you need is rear pockets on your jersey (another almost perfect
>> creation that can almost turn atheists into believers). As you start
>> to warm up, you simply remove stuff to reach your comfort zone. For
>> example, ElPpaso is the perfect environment to test this hypothesis.
>> You may start riding at 29 degrees and in a couple of hours it can go
>> up to 55. I start with sleeveless underwear, a jersey, arm warmers and
>> a fleece jacket with windfront panels. below I wear two pairs of
>> shorts and leg warmers. I also wear booties, a beanie hat and a face
>> mask. I also carry a thinner beanie hat. is a begin to warm up, I
>> remove my face mask, then my arm warmers, then my beanie hat and
>> replace it for a thinner one. Then I open my jacket. After a 3-4 hour
>> ride, I end up happily comfortable, and I never felt cold, not even
>> when I stated. This approach to dressing is effective and affects my
>> mood very positively (had to add last sentence to stay on topic).
>
>
> 29 degrees is just below freezing is it? Man I feel rather underdressed
> just wearing long sleeved thermoshirt, a winter jacket and winter
> cycling pants and winter shoes from -5 C up to 10 C. A face mask? You
> must be kidding. When I start I must feel a little chilly and not warm
> from the start.
About the same here but with regular cycling shoes. A tuque to cover
the ears and a switch to full fingered gloves serves fine. As long as
it's mostly dry...
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 2:21 pm
From: Michael Press
In article
<d6778ced-12cc-4af7-b31c-c809bf056f44@35g2000prt.googlegroups.com>,
James <james.e.steward@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 3, 4:35 am, Lou Holtman <lhollaatditmaar...@planet.nl> wrote:
> > Op 2-1-2011 17:36, Peter Cole schreef:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 1/1/2011 10:51 AM, Duane Hebert wrote:
> >
> > >> "Jay Beattie" <jbeat...@lindsayhart.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:5161b3a9-bef2-4420-9dd8-214cc301ebdf@d1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > >>> I was riding today in the West Hills, and I was fretting about the
> > >>> areas of sheet ice from rain run-off and some local springs, but the
> > >>> road was mostly clear -- it was in the 20s F, and there was snow on
> > >>> the shoulder in some places, but nothing like the Midwest. I don't
> > >>> know how people ride below 0, or even below 20 degrees and in real
> > >>> snow and ice (with narrowed roads) for months on end. -- Jay Beattie.
> >
> > >> Skiing.
> >
> > > I always liked Sheldon's line about New England being great for cycling
> > > 10 months out of the year -- July and August being just too hot.
> >
> > > When I began doing weekly club rides many years ago, I was surprised to
> > > find that everyone planned to stop once the cold weather arrived. I
> > > announced that I was going to keep riding every Saturday morning, by
> > > myself, if need be. That first winter, I did indeed ride a few times
> > > alone, but most times had several companions. Now, the typical ride,
> > > even in the dead of winter, draws 50 or so, even cold wind-swept rain
> > > will bring out a dozen. The club's unbroken Saturday morning ride
> > > "streak" now exceeds 700 rides. That list includes sub-zero (F),
> > > pre-plow blizzards (had to bike to ride start, no cars out) and even a
> > > hurricane. They were all fun.
> >
> > > I've never understood the reluctance to cycle in winter. I grew up doing
> > > all kinds of outdoor winter activities, cycling seemed no different.
> > > Like everything else, it just seemed a matter of getting the right
> > > clothing/gear. Downhill skiing in some ways was much more challenging,
> > > given that you were usually on top of some barren mountain, often going
> > > faster than a bike, and/or spending long times shuffling in lift lines
> > > or dangling on chair lifts (frequently stopped under snow guns).
> > > Cycling, like X/C skiing or skating, makes it easier to tolerate the
> > > cold, given the constant high activity level. A hour or two bike ride in
> > > the lowlands seems like nothing compared to all day on the howling
> > > summits with stop & go chilling and sweating.
> >
> > > Having done lots of both, I would rather ride in the woods in the winter
> > > than X/C ski, conditions allowing, ditto for biking on frozen lakes over
> > > skating. X/C skiing and mountain biking form almost perfect compliments,
> > > since snow depth makes one or the other always possible. That said, snow
> > > around here (Boston) has been unreliable enough to have only supported
> > > brief X/C seasons in the last decade. Winter MTB seems to be the better
> > > bet. Road riding is always do-able.
> >
> > > I actually ride more on winter weekends than I do in the summer. The
> > > short winter days prod me to get as much daylight as possible, and there
> > > aren't so many competing outdoor activities. In the summer, it's hard to
> > > give up sailing or a picnic to sweat over hot pavement. I would much
> > > rather ride for a couple of hours on Saturday or Sunday outside, even if
> > > it's in sleet or freezing rain than slog on the trainer indoors or just
> > > lay about nursing a bad case of cabin fever. There's not enough Prozac
> > > in the world to get me to mall walk or spin in a gym.
> >
> > > I had a good ride yesterday, lots of snow melting in the almost 60F
> > > warmth. The deep slush made things slippery in spots, I much prefer
> > > things to be frozen solid so my studs have something to grip.
> >
> > Indeed. Cycling keeps me sane during the dark season. The studs doing
> > very well on ice and hard pack frozen snow and not so well on deep
> > sticky wet snow we had the last couple of days. On the other hand it is
> > good for you steering and balancing capabilities ;-)
> > What is not to like about these circumstances:
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/LoetjeH/Winter_dec2010#
>
> It's effing cold! I'm not equipped for riding in that stuff. Last
> time I tried was the winter classic from Mt Hotham and around Omeo in
> Victoria. It was -7 degC on top of Hotham and the cold air burned my
> lungs. I don't know how the cross country skiers do it, or you folks.
Breathe in and out through your nose.
Do not work harder than that. Use a
scarf across your nose and mouth.
--
Michael Press
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 3:36 pm
From: "andresmuro@aol.com"
On Jan 3, 1:23 pm, Lou Holtman <lhollaatditmaar...@planet.nl> wrote:
> Op 3-1-2011 14:41, andresm...@aol.com schreef:
>
> > On another note, when dressing up. Too much is always preferable. All
> > you need is rear pockets on your jersey (another almost perfect
> > creation that can almost turn atheists into believers). As you start
> > to warm up, you simply remove stuff to reach your comfort zone. For
> > example, ElPpaso is the perfect environment to test this hypothesis.
> > You may start riding at 29 degrees and in a couple of hours it can go
> > up to 55. I start with sleeveless underwear, a jersey, arm warmers and
> > a fleece jacket with windfront panels. below I wear two pairs of
> > shorts and leg warmers. I also wear booties, a beanie hat and a face
> > mask. I also carry a thinner beanie hat. is a begin to warm up, I
> > remove my face mask, then my arm warmers, then my beanie hat and
> > replace it for a thinner one. Then I open my jacket. After a 3-4 hour
> > ride, I end up happily comfortable, and I never felt cold, not even
> > when I stated. This approach to dressing is effective and affects my
> > mood very positively (had to add last sentence to stay on topic).
>
> 29 degrees is just below freezing is it? Man I feel rather underdressed
> just wearing long sleeved thermoshirt, a winter jacket and winter
> cycling pants and winter shoes from -5 C up to 10 C. A face mask? You
> must be kidding. When I start I must feel a little chilly and not warm
> from the start.
>
> Lou
Im a woos. 25 is the lowest I'll go. I'll wear a thermo vest into the
60s and it doesn't bother me one bit. In the summer, I can ride in the
100s no problem.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 3:48 pm
From: "andresmuro@aol.com"
On Jan 3, 7:58 am, Peter Cole <peter_c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 1/2/2011 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> > On Jan 2, 11:36 am, Peter Cole<peter_c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> I've never understood the reluctance to cycle in winter. I grew up doing
> >> all kinds of outdoor winter activities, cycling seemed no different.
> >> Like everything else, it just seemed a matter of getting the right
> >> clothing/gear.
>
> > Well, I find the choice of clothing is a lot more complicated than
> > for, say, winter hiking. Seems to me the amount of uphill heating and
> > the difference with downhill, wind chill cooling is much greater than
> > it is for hiking or XC skiing. Yes, I know to zip and unzip, etc.,
> > and I even worked up some records of what to wear in what
> > temperatures, but even that is tougher when I'm needing both hands
> > for bike control plus wearing clumsy gloves.
>
> Being a techophile and a seamster (male seamstress), I'm fascinated by
> the problem of winter activewear. I've found the best synthetic fleeces
> to be game changers, including those more exotic types with integral
> semipermeable membranes.
>
> The problem with thermal management when cycling has a lot to do with
> moisture management, both self-generated (sweat) and external
> (rain/spray). Part of the solution is to control the rate of air
> exchange, and the gradient of flow with proximity to the skin. The other
> part is using materials with the lowest change of insulating performance
> with moisture (generally proportional to absorbency).
>
> In cycling, "leading edge" surfaces get much more cooling, so garments
> need to protect those areas. Most clothing, even cycling-specific, does
> a poor job at this. Much the same is true for rain wear.
>
> I see many winter cyclists who make the classic mistake of using
> impermeable outer layers which, while providing a good wind block, trap
> moisture, eventually lowering insulation to near nothing. A much better
> way is layering garments with the inner layers being permeable (and
> wicking) but dense, while the outer layers get progressively less dense
> and more permeable. This emulates the fur coats of many animals.
>
> Extremities are harder to keep warm. Head, feet and hands are tricky.
> Feet tend to get progressively colder, while hands often seem to start
> cold then warm up, and even overheat, with activity. In really cold
> conditions, combined with air flow from wind or velocity, ears, noses,
> cheekbones can get painfully cold (and even damaged). Keeping them warm,
> without restricting breathing or fogging protective lenses can be a
> challenge.
>
> I've (and many others) have found that synthetic stretch fleece (e.g.
> Polartec "Power Stretch" "4-way" -- actually 2-axis --) works almost
> magically well for tights. It has a remarkable comfort range, despite
> it's lack of bulk, good into the 20's(F) or below, by itself just over
> cycling shorts. I couldn't find upper body garments from the same
> material, so I made my own. I've since found them available at outdoor
> equipment outlets. The trick, as with the tights, is to wear them very
> tight. I think the reason they're so effective is that they prevent
> laminar flow over the skin, while allowing perspiration to freely dissipate.
>
> Judicious use of wind-blocking material on leading edge surfaces (knees,
> knuckles, shoulders, upper chest, etc.) can make a huge difference in
> comfort by eliminating cold spots, and if not overdone, won't trap too
> much moisture.
>
> For the coldest days of the year (perhaps below 15F), I add ski goggles
> to my usual balaclava, and cover cheeks, nose and extra for ears with a
> kind of "faceband" I made -- a thinner version of a headband which
> covers the area from goggle to upper lip. Some people use "bank holdup"
> type balaclavas, but I like the incremental approach with layers that
> can be quickly added or removed as conditions change.
>
> I've yet to come up with a perfect system for all conditions, but I have
> much fun trying. I've picked up some tricks from other winter cyclists
> and long distance riders (like rain shorts for warm weather, which I
> modified to rain knickers for cold weather). Shoes are a problem, since
> my size 16 limits choices, ditto for my XXL hands. Cobbling and glove
> making are a bit outside my pay grade, but I can tweak and hack a bit.
>
> I layer gloves, since my hands tend to heat up a lot during a vigorous
> ride. I usually wear a fleece outer glove over a thinner (e.g. X/C ski)
> insulated glove and peel the outer layer when my hands get hot. In
> really cold weather I layer with an overmitt, I have light (unlined)
> ones and heavy (lined) ones which I select for the weather. I don't have
> a problem with shifters since I generally use either bar-end or fixed
> gear bikes in the cold weather, both work well with mitts. Cycling
> gloves seem to lose heat through conduction on the palm side and
> convection on the back. I've yet to see gloves that are designed to deal
> with this.
>
> For shoes, I've yet to do better than oversize with good heavy socks --
> again, I prefer synthetic fleece, mostly for its wet warmth, though wool
> can have better resistance to compression. People often speak well of
> winter-specific cycling shoes (Lake et al, but they're outside of my
> budget and size). A cheaper alternative for flat pedals are lightweight
> winter shoes like the old LL Bean "Snow Sneakers" favored by Alaskan
> cyclists. I've seen people riding classic, felt-lined Sorel's, but those
> things are boat anchors. I got my wife a pair of slip on Sorel's this
> year, light as a feather and (she claims) quite warm and waterproof.
> Modern materials like Thinsulate and Goretex are much better for cycling
> applications than the old, heavy felt and rubber. Some people even swear
> by sandals and thick socks in the winter, probably not as nuts as it
> sounds especially if your feet tend to sweat a lot. I've experimented
> with heavy fleece shoe covers, which worked pretty well, although the
> sole material I used wasn't too durable. I'm interested in experimenting
> with some of the coated fleece fabric that's used as neoprene
> replacement in cold water sports. One of these days I think I'll make up
> some bib shorts from it and see if it works for cold wet rides.
>
> > I admit that I wimp out a lot these days. I used to ride a lot more
> > in winter than I now do. Part of that was realizing that I frequently
> > got bronchitis after longish winter rides. A few years after that
> > began happening with some regularity, I began cutting back. Getting
> > old, I guess.
>
> I have friends who have developed "exercise induced asthma" from hard
> riding in very cold conditions, so I think it's something to be
> concerned about. I've often hacked a bit for the afternoon after a cold
> weather "fitness" (fast) ride. I've learned to just back the pace off a
> lot when the air is really cold and dry unless I want to spend the rest
> of the day wheezing. Just as in the heat and humidity of the dog days,
> you have to adjust your riding to suit the conditions. From the sample
> of riders I've seen, it doesn't seem to correlate to age at all, unless
> it's an inverse correlation, old riders tend to be tougher. As with
> studded tires, I'd rather settle for riding a bit slower in the winter
> than not riding at all, winters get too damn long in New England otherwise.
something that has escaped me. It used to be that jackets where fleece
all around with windfront panels. Lately, they been making these soft-
shells that have wind protection all around. Problem is that they
don't breathe. So, within minutes you'll start sweating. What happened
to the jackets made of fleece with windfront panels only? My other
frustration with buying jackets is that you never know what they are
made of. They are made from the ultimate pro eschclair, technowind,
ultrastop, thingamajig. Well, I don't want that. I want a full light
fleece jacket with front nylon wind panels that cover front arms and
shoulders. it is possible that the fancy term translates to my
requirements. However, since I don't know what it means, i don't
buy.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 5:26 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">
On 1/3/2011 8:58 AM, Peter Cole wrote:
> [...]
> Some people even swear by sandals and thick socks in the winter,
> probably not as nuts as it sounds especially if your feet tend to sweat
> a lot.[...]
The key here is to have a windproof outer sock.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 5:53 pm
From: Jay Beattie
On Jan 3, 5:26 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 1/3/2011 8:58 AM, Peter Cole wrote:
> > [...]
>
> > Some people even swear by sandals and thick socks in the winter,
> > probably not as nuts as it sounds especially if your feet tend to sweat
> > a lot.[...]
>
> The key here is to have a windproof outer sock.
Does it matter in a velomobile? -- Jay Beattie.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 6:17 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">
On 1/3/2011 7:53 PM, Jay Beattie wrote:
> On Jan 3, 5:26 pm, T�m Sherm�n� �_�<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> $southslope.net"> wrote:
>> On 1/3/2011 8:58 AM, Peter Cole wrote:
>> > [...]
>>
>>> Some people even swear by sandals and thick socks in the winter,
>>> probably not as nuts as it sounds especially if your feet tend to sweat
>>> a lot.[...]
>>
>> The key here is to have a windproof outer sock.
>
> Does it matter in a velomobile? -- Jay Beattie.
Think of the velomobile as a giant windproof sock.
Unfortunately, I will likely not have a velomobile until summer arrives.
--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
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TOPIC: Fred Alert ! ---- Alexi reading RBR ?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 12:57 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Dec 27 2010, 2:06 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 27, 11:56 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "When I hear the vacuous critic, I know they have never been there.
> > They are "fred's". All talk and no walk."
>
> >http://www.alexigrewal.com/index.php/blog/98-is-that-really-so
>
> dumbass,
>
> sports scrambles your brains.
>
> humans, as individuals can't provide all our basic necessities, so we
> need society to live. to our primitive minds social approval is as
> important as food or the need to reproduce and loss of status or
> humiliation is as painful as sickness or hunger.
>
> doing well at sports gives you a status boost among the people that
> care that is as powerful being very good looking or being very rich.
> that is why master fatties and amateurs cheat to win even low level
> bike races with trivial prizes and poser like liz hatch call
> themselves pro athletes.
>
> guys like grewal need to realize that he doesn't live in an ancient
> tribe and heightened status from racing quizno's as a 50 yr old won't
> affect his well being. he is being fooled by the 1 million year old
> wiring in his brain. once he realizes this he will stop talking like a
> child.
If you've read about Alexei's somewhat straitened personal
circumstances, you may notice his well-being probably would be
affected by racing Quizno's credibly. I would say that about very few
people, regardless of their talents.
It would apply to Chad Gerlach as well,
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 2:54 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<ba83b8e4-cbef-4ca4-962f-829ccb5c6843@29g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
"Kurgan. presented by Gringioni." <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 9:03 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > As an aside, software patents suck. In fact, if you
> > look at how Gates, Ellison, and Jobs made their
> > zillions, I don't think they made it off software patents.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> They made all that money because they're really good businessmen.
Yes. They each made a good product that did a good job;
and that many people wanted.
--
Old Fritz
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 8:38 pm
From: Scott
On Jan 3, 3:54 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <ba83b8e4-cbef-4ca4-962f-829ccb5c6...@29g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni." <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 2, 9:03 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > As an aside, software patents suck. In fact, if you
> > > look at how Gates, Ellison, and Jobs made their
> > > zillions, I don't think they made it off software patents.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > They made all that money because they're really good businessmen.
>
> Yes. They each made a good product that did a good job;
> and that many people wanted.
>
> --
> Old Fritz
ah, ha! that's the secret, eh?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 2:19 pm
From: BLafferty
On 1/3/2011 3:12 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Jan 3, 12:11 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 1/3/2011 11:52 AM, Philip W. Moore, Jr. wrote:> Go ride your bike and shut the fuck up.
>>> "BLafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>> Unless I'm mistaken, the Federal Grand Jury for the Central District
>>>> of California meets every Tuesday. Which Tuesday will Lance& Co. come
>>>> to rue?
>>
>> Go fuck your bike, Phil.
>
> Phil could at least find his bike, Jowls. You couldn't find your bike
> or your little dingle.
>
> R
I'm devastated by your witty reply.
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TOPIC: World Exclusive -- Jonathan Page Crossdressing
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 8:55 pm
From: Zenon
.
.
Source: http://thejonathanpage.com/blog.html
.
"After a hot shower and an hour in my wife's long down coat..."
.
What's going on here?
.
.
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