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TOPIC: How the Jet CB's will be used...
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 9:43 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 5, 7:44 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
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> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:c2a33462-0ab9-457f-ae2c-d8f7c9dce898@g25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jan 5, 12:17 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > <SNIP>
>
> >> AGAIN GREAT ANALYSIS.....it seems like people are wanting to toast the
> >> D
> >> backs, safeties...and it isn't really their fault, IMHO....there is
> >> only
> >> so
> >> much that can be done without any pass rush...and I mean a legit threat
> >> from
> >> the D line...at least one guy who can get there...they have NOTHING
> >> going
> >> on...and that leaves the DB's hung out to dry...not even to mention
> >> what
> >> it
> >> will do to at least one LB who MUST cover someone and usually in man
> >> coverage.
>
> > papa... im interested to know what you think of my idea above to use
> > six db's and 2 lbs against the pats. im sure you must have seen
> > similar defense used on run and shoot spread offense. 4 db's in man
> > and two in zone. only 2 lbs with three down linemen. line for db's
> > across in man, (revis, poole, lowrey or coleaman and cromartie) one
> > post db in zone (lowrey or coleman) and one in shallow zone (smith).
> > the shallow db can be used in coverage, come up against the run or
> > used in a zone blitz. a spy MLB (harris) on the ball carrier and the
> > second OLB (pace or blt) to be used on the edge. Of course, each and
> > every DB could be used in a zone blitz too.
>
> > opinion ?
>
> > :-) I ran a defense like that....even had to create it on the spot one
> > night. I took a CB / S backup on the sideline, showed him where the Sam
> > LB was lined up...told him to just go back two yards and play the TE in
> > the seam to the flat...only worry about pass. He went in and did the
> > job...he was a sophomore basketball player with great athletic skills.
> > That created a defense that night and we installed it formally then. The
> > kid in question actually played a lot from that point on and played in
> > college when he graduated. But that was high school, the Jets have a
> > problem, they lost their best safety and they have no D linemen who can
> > penetrate. IMHO, to do this stuff effectively, you need a D line inside
> > that can cause some problems. If the Jets get too cutesy, anybody would
> > just run up the middle like crazy, again, OMHO. PC
>
> Michael, I should explain here that we had already gone into a max pass
> coverage by replacing the DE with a LB and a CB in for where the LB
> left....sorry...so what we effectively did was go with the MLB and WLB up
> on
> the line but playing pass in the slot and put in more DB's....the biggest
> thing was the SLB coming out and a DB going in....we expected the opponent
> to start running right away....but they didn't. We controlled the line
> with
> two tackles and one strong side DE....I would have run on it.- Hide quoted
> text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
that is some creative stuff ! i think the jets could use it against NE
and still avoid getting ground up in the running game because of
Pouha, Ellis and Devito. I hardly ever seen ball carriers get past
them. They dont get any penetration on the qb, but they are very
stout run defenders. it is a very good first down line. the lack of
pass rush, of course would be helped by 6 db's sustaining coverage and
use of zone blitz from the db's. of course, you could go to more of a
standard 34 and can two db's for two more lb's at times on first down,
short yardage of goal line. IMHO, I dont see the jets haveing ANY
chance at all against new england unless they use a defense much like
the ones we are describing.
From a coaching standpoint, how hard is it to come up with a set of
rules for the two DB's in zone and the single OLB ???
I was very fortunate in my last coaching job. I only left that job because
I wanted to see my son play in college, then life just changed and I went
into other things. But, we had very good players, and some fantastic
coaches. We were even able to do the offense / defense thing and even split
practices almost completely. We had a good mix of kids, and they had a
reason to be academic, it was a very large private school but one where some
kids were there because the parents worked thier tails off to put them
there..a parochial school. All I'm trying to show you is we had some smart
kids, and ones who grew up in the system. If you drill a lot, teach a
lot...really teach and have sets of rules for situations it is not hard...we
often played man under and zone deep with that stuff and the kids knew how
to communicate and pass off someone. BUT.....the two down tackles both went
on to big time schools and were part of the teeth of the D...the other top
spot of the D was our strong safety who could play deep or up on the line as
a LB. A year later we found we could not do this stuff...just didn't have
the mules to pull the wagon anymore. I'm not so sure those guys you put a
lot of cred in can hold their own without the LB's being very involved.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 7:25 am
From: Michael
On Jan 6, 12:43 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> news:d8a7b02e-065c-4d21-a94e-f10d1188c604@i17g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 5, 7:44 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
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> > "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
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> > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > >news:c2a33462-0ab9-457f-ae2c-d8f7c9dce898@g25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jan 5, 12:17 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > <SNIP>
>
> > >> AGAIN GREAT ANALYSIS.....it seems like people are wanting to toast the
> > >> D
> > >> backs, safeties...and it isn't really their fault, IMHO....there is
> > >> only
> > >> so
> > >> much that can be done without any pass rush...and I mean a legit threat
> > >> from
> > >> the D line...at least one guy who can get there...they have NOTHING
> > >> going
> > >> on...and that leaves the DB's hung out to dry...not even to mention
> > >> what
> > >> it
> > >> will do to at least one LB who MUST cover someone and usually in man
> > >> coverage.
>
> > > papa... im interested to know what you think of my idea above to use
> > > six db's and 2 lbs against the pats. im sure you must have seen
> > > similar defense used on run and shoot spread offense. 4 db's in man
> > > and two in zone. only 2 lbs with three down linemen. line for db's
> > > across in man, (revis, poole, lowrey or coleaman and cromartie) one
> > > post db in zone (lowrey or coleman) and one in shallow zone (smith).
> > > the shallow db can be used in coverage, come up against the run or
> > > used in a zone blitz. a spy MLB (harris) on the ball carrier and the
> > > second OLB (pace or blt) to be used on the edge. Of course, each and
> > > every DB could be used in a zone blitz too.
>
> > > opinion ?
>
> > > :-) I ran a defense like that....even had to create it on the spot one
> > > night. I took a CB / S backup on the sideline, showed him where the Sam
> > > LB was lined up...told him to just go back two yards and play the TE in
> > > the seam to the flat...only worry about pass. He went in and did the
> > > job...he was a sophomore basketball player with great athletic skills.
> > > That created a defense that night and we installed it formally then. The
> > > kid in question actually played a lot from that point on and played in
> > > college when he graduated. But that was high school, the Jets have a
> > > problem, they lost their best safety and they have no D linemen who can
> > > penetrate. IMHO, to do this stuff effectively, you need a D line inside
> > > that can cause some problems. If the Jets get too cutesy, anybody would
> > > just run up the middle like crazy, again, OMHO. PC
>
> > Michael, I should explain here that we had already gone into a max pass
> > coverage by replacing the DE with a LB and a CB in for where the LB
> > left....sorry...so what we effectively did was go with the MLB and WLB up
> > on
> > the line but playing pass in the slot and put in more DB's....the biggest
> > thing was the SLB coming out and a DB going in....we expected the opponent
> > to start running right away....but they didn't. We controlled the line
> > with
> > two tackles and one strong side DE....I would have run on it.- Hide quoted
> > text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> that is some creative stuff ! i think the jets could use it against NE
> and still avoid getting ground up in the running game because of
> Pouha, Ellis and Devito. I hardly ever seen ball carriers get past
> them. They dont get any penetration on the qb, but they are very
> stout run defenders. it is a very good first down line. the lack of
> pass rush, of course would be helped by 6 db's sustaining coverage and
> use of zone blitz from the db's. of course, you could go to more of a
> standard 34 and can two db's for two more lb's at times on first down,
> short yardage of goal line. IMHO, I dont see the jets haveing ANY
> chance at all against new england unless they use a defense much like
> the ones we are describing.
>
> From a coaching standpoint, how hard is it to come up with a set of
> rules for the two DB's in zone and the single OLB ???
>
> I was very fortunate in my last coaching job. I only left that job because
> I wanted to see my son play in college, then life just changed and I went
> into other things. But, we had very good players, and some fantastic
> coaches. We were even able to do the offense / defense thing and even split
> practices almost completely. We had a good mix of kids, and they had a
> reason to be academic, it was a very large private school but one where some
> kids were there because the parents worked thier tails off to put them
> there..a parochial school. All I'm trying to show you is we had some smart
> kids, and ones who grew up in the system. If you drill a lot, teach a
> lot...really teach and have sets of rules for situations it is not hard...we
> often played man under and zone deep with that stuff and the kids knew how
> to communicate and pass off someone. BUT.....the two down tackles both went
> on to big time schools and were part of the teeth of the D...the other top
> spot of the D was our strong safety who could play deep or up on the line as
> a LB. A year later we found we could not do this stuff...just didn't have
> the mules to pull the wagon anymore. I'm not so sure those guys you put a
> lot of cred in can hold their own without the LB's being very involved.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
ahhh...i think i understand what you are saying... the brainpower of
the players helps determine how the coach can run a system. sort of
like leonhard calling coverage ??? lots of posters and fans dont like
e. smith, but rex seems to like him. i think rex finds some security
in having him around because e. smith probably has some football
brainpower as far as calling coverage even though his play has been
horrendous ! probably hard for rex to give up on a guy like that since
he knows his style of defense is dead in the water without the
brianpower component calling the coverage
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 11:38 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:0bf726cc-2baf-4b48-94aa-5c5394fd62e9@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 6, 12:43 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:d8a7b02e-065c-4d21-a94e-f10d1188c604@i17g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 5, 7:44 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
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> > "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
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> >news:1LudnRDeQLYMmbjQnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
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> > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > >news:c2a33462-0ab9-457f-ae2c-d8f7c9dce898@g25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jan 5, 12:17 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > <SNIP>
>
> > >> AGAIN GREAT ANALYSIS.....it seems like people are wanting to toast
> > >> the
> > >> D
> > >> backs, safeties...and it isn't really their fault, IMHO....there is
> > >> only
> > >> so
> > >> much that can be done without any pass rush...and I mean a legit
> > >> threat
> > >> from
> > >> the D line...at least one guy who can get there...they have NOTHING
> > >> going
> > >> on...and that leaves the DB's hung out to dry...not even to mention
> > >> what
> > >> it
> > >> will do to at least one LB who MUST cover someone and usually in man
> > >> coverage.
>
> > > papa... im interested to know what you think of my idea above to use
> > > six db's and 2 lbs against the pats. im sure you must have seen
> > > similar defense used on run and shoot spread offense. 4 db's in man
> > > and two in zone. only 2 lbs with three down linemen. line for db's
> > > across in man, (revis, poole, lowrey or coleaman and cromartie) one
> > > post db in zone (lowrey or coleman) and one in shallow zone (smith).
> > > the shallow db can be used in coverage, come up against the run or
> > > used in a zone blitz. a spy MLB (harris) on the ball carrier and the
> > > second OLB (pace or blt) to be used on the edge. Of course, each and
> > > every DB could be used in a zone blitz too.
>
> > > opinion ?
>
> > > :-) I ran a defense like that....even had to create it on the spot one
> > > night. I took a CB / S backup on the sideline, showed him where the
> > > Sam
> > > LB was lined up...told him to just go back two yards and play the TE
> > > in
> > > the seam to the flat...only worry about pass. He went in and did the
> > > job...he was a sophomore basketball player with great athletic skills.
> > > That created a defense that night and we installed it formally then.
> > > The
> > > kid in question actually played a lot from that point on and played in
> > > college when he graduated. But that was high school, the Jets have a
> > > problem, they lost their best safety and they have no D linemen who
> > > can
> > > penetrate. IMHO, to do this stuff effectively, you need a D line
> > > inside
> > > that can cause some problems. If the Jets get too cutesy, anybody
> > > would
> > > just run up the middle like crazy, again, OMHO. PC
>
> > Michael, I should explain here that we had already gone into a max pass
> > coverage by replacing the DE with a LB and a CB in for where the LB
> > left....sorry...so what we effectively did was go with the MLB and WLB
> > up
> > on
> > the line but playing pass in the slot and put in more DB's....the
> > biggest
> > thing was the SLB coming out and a DB going in....we expected the
> > opponent
> > to start running right away....but they didn't. We controlled the line
> > with
> > two tackles and one strong side DE....I would have run on it.- Hide
> > quoted
> > text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> that is some creative stuff ! i think the jets could use it against NE
> and still avoid getting ground up in the running game because of
> Pouha, Ellis and Devito. I hardly ever seen ball carriers get past
> them. They dont get any penetration on the qb, but they are very
> stout run defenders. it is a very good first down line. the lack of
> pass rush, of course would be helped by 6 db's sustaining coverage and
> use of zone blitz from the db's. of course, you could go to more of a
> standard 34 and can two db's for two more lb's at times on first down,
> short yardage of goal line. IMHO, I dont see the jets haveing ANY
> chance at all against new england unless they use a defense much like
> the ones we are describing.
>
> From a coaching standpoint, how hard is it to come up with a set of
> rules for the two DB's in zone and the single OLB ???
>
> I was very fortunate in my last coaching job. I only left that job because
> I wanted to see my son play in college, then life just changed and I went
> into other things. But, we had very good players, and some fantastic
> coaches. We were even able to do the offense / defense thing and even
> split
> practices almost completely. We had a good mix of kids, and they had a
> reason to be academic, it was a very large private school but one where
> some
> kids were there because the parents worked thier tails off to put them
> there..a parochial school. All I'm trying to show you is we had some smart
> kids, and ones who grew up in the system. If you drill a lot, teach a
> lot...really teach and have sets of rules for situations it is not
> hard...we
> often played man under and zone deep with that stuff and the kids knew how
> to communicate and pass off someone. BUT.....the two down tackles both
> went
> on to big time schools and were part of the teeth of the D...the other top
> spot of the D was our strong safety who could play deep or up on the line
> as
> a LB. A year later we found we could not do this stuff...just didn't have
> the mules to pull the wagon anymore. I'm not so sure those guys you put a
> lot of cred in can hold their own without the LB's being very involved.-
> Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
ahhh...i think i understand what you are saying... the brainpower of
the players helps determine how the coach can run a system. sort of
like leonhard calling coverage ??? lots of posters and fans dont like
e. smith, but rex seems to like him. i think rex finds some security
in having him around because e. smith probably has some football
brainpower as far as calling coverage even though his play has been
horrendous ! probably hard for rex to give up on a guy like that since
he knows his style of defense is dead in the water without the
brianpower component calling the coverage
That could be, for sure. For one eight year stretch I had a series of LB's
that were smart....very smart. They could come out of a game and tell me
what was happening, they saw things we could not see from the sideline or
even from up above. They wouldn't come out and go to the bench or get a
drink, they'd come right to me and start telling me what they saw and what
they felt they could and could not do. I've stayed very close to some of
them through all these years...you really develop a close relationship like
that...so I could see how Rex would need a player who can "coach" from the
field. There is always a great athlete who needs to have someone else get
him to the right place...it just happens.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 11:46 am
From: Harlan Lachman
In article
<0bf726cc-2baf-4b48-94aa-5c5394fd62e9@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
> probably hard for rex to give up on a guy like that since
> he knows his style of defense is dead in the water without the
> brianpower component calling the coverage
Of course, the alternative would be to play someone else not so adept at
being too slow to cover, hit, or tackle and simplify the defense.
h
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 4:41 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-25C988.14461406012011@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article
> <0bf726cc-2baf-4b48-94aa-5c5394fd62e9@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> probably hard for rex to give up on a guy like that since
>> he knows his style of defense is dead in the water without the
>> brianpower component calling the coverage
>
> Of course, the alternative would be to play someone else not so adept at
> being too slow to cover, hit, or tackle and simplify the defense.
>
> h
Rex can't simplify his defense...because then it isn't his defense and it
becomes very, very vanilla with less than the best in some positions. The
entire thing was build around two outstanding corners. When he lost Jenkins
he lost a lot.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 5:50 pm
From: Michael
On Jan 6, 7:41 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-25C988.14461406012011@news60.forteinc.com...
>
> > In article
> > <0bf726cc-2baf-4b48-94aa-5c5394fd6...@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> probably hard for rex to give up on a guy like that since
> >> he knows his style of defense is dead in the water without the
> >> brianpower component calling the coverage
>
> > Of course, the alternative would be to play someone else not so adept at
> > being too slow to cover, hit, or tackle and simplify the defense.
>
> > h
>
> Rex can't simplify his defense...because then it isn't his defense and it
> becomes very, very vanilla with less than the best in some positions. The
> entire thing was build around two outstanding corners. When he lost Jenkins
> he lost a lot.
imho, the poor production of pace and ellis cost them as much if not
more this year than losing jenk
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 6:26 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:45e64b2d-09fa-48cc-bfff-dab2ef9cc9dc@w17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 6, 7:41 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-25C988.14461406012011@news60.forteinc.com...
>
> > In article
> > <0bf726cc-2baf-4b48-94aa-5c5394fd6...@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> probably hard for rex to give up on a guy like that since
> >> he knows his style of defense is dead in the water without the
> >> brianpower component calling the coverage
>
> > Of course, the alternative would be to play someone else not so adept at
> > being too slow to cover, hit, or tackle and simplify the defense.
>
> > h
>
> Rex can't simplify his defense...because then it isn't his defense and it
> becomes very, very vanilla with less than the best in some positions. The
> entire thing was build around two outstanding corners. When he lost
> Jenkins
> he lost a lot.
imho, the poor production of pace and ellis cost them as much if not
more this year than losing jenk
sort of...maybe not....there is only so much they can do with no big
pressure in the middle. In my opinion, not having that huge player in the
middle changes everything. You don't see teams doubling up on people in the
middle and that changes everything in terms of how they can defend the
outside.
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 1:47 am
From: "RickyBobby"
"buRford" wrote in message
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It won't get any easier next season.
What's interesting, is that the Pats have the 15th toughest schedule.
Looking at this list, it seems the NFL has a bizarre formula for creating
the schedule, as
the Panthers & Bills have the toughest schedule. While the Ravens have the
2nd easiest, &
Steelers the 4th easiest.
Makes no sense that the Bills would have a tougher schedule than the Pats,
since they're
in the same division. The formula is wacky ;)
http://es.pn/h4rRw6
STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
A look at the most difficult schedules in 2011 (based on opponents' 2010
record).
Team Combined win-loss record Percentage
1. Carolina Panthers 142-114-0 .555
2. Buffalo Bills 137-119-0 .535
3t. New York Jets* 133-123-0 .520
3t. Indianapolis Colts* 133-123-0 .520
3t. Jacksonville Jaguars 133-123-0 .520
3t. Kansas City Chiefs* 133-123-0 .520
3t. San Diego Chargers 133-133-0 .520
3t. Denver Broncos 133-123-0 .520
3t. Detroit Lions 133-123-0 .520
10t. Miami Dolphins 132-124-0 .516
10t. Houston Texans 132-124-0 .516
10t. Minnesota Vikings 132-124-0 .516
13t. Green Bay Packers* 130-126-0 .508
13t. New Orleans Saints* 130-126-0 .508
15t. New England Patriots* 129-127-0 .504
15t. Philadelphia Eagles* 129-127-0 .504
15t. Dallas Cowboys 129-127-0 .504
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 127-129-0 .496
19t. Cleveland Browns 126-130-0 .492
19t. Oakland Raiders 126-130-0 .492
19t. New York Giants 126-130-0 .492
19t. Atlanta Falcons* 126-130-0 .492
23t. Tennessee Titans 125-131-0 .488
23t. Chicago Bears* 125-131-0 .488
23t. Seattle Seahawks* 125-131-0 .488
26. St. Louis Rams 122-134-0 .477
27t. Pittsburgh Steelers* 121-135-0 .473
27t. Cincinnati Bengals 121-135-0 .473
27t. Washington Redskins 121-135-0 .473
30. San Francisco 49ers 119-137-0 .465
31. Baltimore Ravens* 117-139-0 .457
32. Arizona Cardinals 113-143-0 .441
Source: ESPN Stats & Information | *Reached playoffs in 2010
Total nonsense table of numbers.
Some teams that were losers in 2010 will be winners in 2011 and some teams
that were winners in 2010 will be winner in 2011.
Another way to look at it is to ask how many teams had the same record in
2010 and 2011? Pretty much none of them.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 5:14 am
From: Steve Russo
On Jan 5, 9:30 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, but if you have weak teams in your division, you ARE rewarded by playing them by
> default. Strength of conference, would make more sense to me, as opposed to strength in
> division.
I think there's a misconception that Strength of Schedule somehow
impacts what teams you play next year. it doesn't. The NFL schedule is
predetermined as follows:
1. Each team plays its divisional games: 6 games
2. Then a three year rotating interconference division: 4 games
(rotates every 3 years)
3. Then a four year rotating cross conference division: 4 games
(rotates every 4 years)
4. Then head to head with intraconference teams who place the same in
their divison: 2 games - if you finished 1st, you play the two 1st
place teams from the two conferences you didn't play in #2, above.
Example below:
Dallas Cowboys finished first in the NFC East in 2007
2008 Schedule looked like this:
6 games with NFC East teams
4 games with NFC West teams
4 games with AFC North teams
2 games with the other 2007 first place teams from the NFC North &
South
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 6:55 am
From: Harlan Lachman
In article
<63c8f2d0-0109-46c0-9161-28e9e32f95a5@29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>,
Steve Russo <srusso100@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 9:30�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, but if you have weak teams in your division, you ARE rewarded by
> > playing them by
> > default. �Strength of conference, would make more sense to me, as opposed
> > to strength in
> > division.
>
> I think there's a misconception that Strength of Schedule somehow
> impacts what teams you play next year. it doesn't. The NFL schedule is
> predetermined as follows:
>
> 1. Each team plays its divisional games: 6 games
> 2. Then a three year rotating interconference division: 4 games
> (rotates every 3 years)
> 3. Then a four year rotating cross conference division: 4 games
> (rotates every 4 years)
> 4. Then head to head with intraconference teams who place the same in
> their divison: 2 games - if you finished 1st, you play the two 1st
> place teams from the two conferences you didn't play in #2, above.
>
> Example below:
>
> Dallas Cowboys finished first in the NFC East in 2007
> 2008 Schedule looked like this:
> 6 games with NFC East teams
> 4 games with NFC West teams
> 4 games with AFC North teams
> 2 games with the other 2007 first place teams from the NFC North &
> South
Steve, thanks for the very clear summation of how scheduling works. As
you point out, the strength of schedule is likely determined by how well
teams did in their own conference and the strength of that conference
than the two variable games.
harlan
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 7:34 am
From: eric
On Jan 6, 8:14 am, Steve Russo <srusso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1. Each team plays its divisional games: 6 games
> 2. Then a three year rotating interconference division: 4 games
> (rotates every 3 years)
> 3. Then a four year rotating cross conference division: 4 games
> (rotates every 4 years)
> 4. Then head to head with intraconference teams who place the same in
> their divison: 2 games - if you finished 1st, you play the two 1st
> place teams from the two conferences you didn't play in #2, above.
>
> Example below:
>
> Dallas Cowboys finished first in the NFC East in 2007
> 2008 Schedule looked like this:
> 6 games with NFC East teams
> 4 games with NFC West teams
> 4 games with AFC North teams
> 2 games with the other 2007 first place teams from the NFC North &
> South
That seems pretty balanced to me. Teams that are doing well play their
peers in their conference and teams that are the dregs play the dregs
in their conference. It also allows teams like the Pats, Colts and
Steelers who win their divisions most years to play each other head to
head to determine home field advantage in the playoffs and build up
rivalries.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 7:37 am
From: Steve Russo
On Jan 6, 9:55 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <63c8f2d0-0109-46c0-9161-28e9e32f9...@29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>,
> Steve Russo <srusso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 9:30 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, but if you have weak teams in your division, you ARE rewarded by
> > > playing them by
> > > default. Strength of conference, would make more sense to me, as opposed
> > > to strength in
> > > division.
>
> > I think there's a misconception that Strength of Schedule somehow
> > impacts what teams you play next year. it doesn't. The NFL schedule is
> > predetermined as follows:
>
> > 1. Each team plays its divisional games: 6 games
> > 2. Then a three year rotating interconference division: 4 games
> > (rotates every 3 years)
> > 3. Then a four year rotating cross conference division: 4 games
> > (rotates every 4 years)
> > 4. Then head to head with intraconference teams who place the same in
> > their divison: 2 games - if you finished 1st, you play the two 1st
> > place teams from the two conferences you didn't play in #2, above.
>
> > Example below:
>
> > Dallas Cowboys finished first in the NFC East in 2007
> > 2008 Schedule looked like this:
> > 6 games with NFC East teams
> > 4 games with NFC West teams
> > 4 games with AFC North teams
> > 2 games with the other 2007 first place teams from the NFC North &
> > South
>
> Steve, thanks for the very clear summation of how scheduling works. As
> you point out, the strength of schedule is likely determined by how well
> teams did in their own conference and the strength of that conference
> than the two variable games.
>
> harlan-
For quite a while I found this very confusing so I looked it up. The
example I used actually came from a Wiki page. What still confuses me
(look at my post further up) is how they determine the home/away teams
for the out-of-division games. I guess some more research is in
order ;-)
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 11:48 am
From: Harlan Lachman
In article
<2a61bc82-216c-48c0-ace5-53908eab32a9@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Steve Russo <srusso100@gmail.com> wrote:
> What still confuses me
> (look at my post further up) is how they determine the home/away teams
> for the out-of-division games. I guess some more research is in
> order ;-)
This would only confuse Jet fans who continually are cursed to have to
play Oakland across the country rather than giving the hated Raiders the
opportunity to freeze their buns off in the cold.
I'd like to see them fly out east in December.
h
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 7:52 am
From: JetGreeeen
..........if we had a solid edge rusher. I hope Jason Taylor is fresh
(he should be) and gets alot of snaps from the DE position. I hope a
pass rushing lineman or linebacker is our top draft priority.
Mr. Greeeen
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 8:08 am
From: "JKConey"
"JetGreeeen" <jetgreeeen@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ada7a071-145a-4c35-bf77-a899d86e903a@d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> ..........if we had a solid edge rusher. I hope Jason Taylor is fresh
> (he should be) and gets alot of snaps from the DE position. I hope a
> pass rushing lineman or linebacker is our top draft priority.
>
> Mr. Greeeen
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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 9:52 am
From: Michael
On Jan 6, 10:52 am, JetGreeeen <jetgree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ..........if we had a solid edge rusher. I hope Jason Taylor is fresh
> (he should be) and gets alot of snaps from the DE position. I hope a
> pass rushing lineman or linebacker is our top draft priority.
>
> Mr. Greeeen
give jason taylor a red bull and power bar !
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 11:39 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"JetGreeeen" <jetgreeeen@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ada7a071-145a-4c35-bf77-a899d86e903a@d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> ..........if we had a solid edge rusher. I hope Jason Taylor is fresh
> (he should be) and gets alot of snaps from the DE position. I hope a
> pass rushing lineman or linebacker is our top draft priority.
>
> Mr. Greeeen
I'd say it better be...big time.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 8:46 am
From: John C TX
X-No-Archive: Yes
> I hope that works out for you and you have a great time ! My sense was that
> college sports out there get more attention, is it still that way?
Once a year I see them down here traveling for the Texans game. Some
are Houston based from Indy but they seem passionate about the Colts.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 11:20 am
From: "IndyJetsFan@gmail.com"
On Jan 5, 6:47 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "IndyJets...@gmail.com" <indyjets...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:21fec9a1-d526-4c51-a04e-18be8a63bc40@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 4, 9:09 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:20:18 -0800 (PST), "IndyJets...@gmail.com"
> > <indyjets...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >If anyone is going to Indy for the game and needs any info about the
> > >city, let me know. It would be nice to meet any fellow Jets fans. I've
> > >been reading your posts for several years. I live 20 minutes from
> > >Indy, and work on the westside. I'm originally from NJ.
>
> > >David
>
> > Nice offer, David.
> > Will you be going to the game?
> > And please feel free to participate... the more hte merrier ;)
>
> I'll be there. I went to all the Jets games back when they came here
> to play their former AFC east foes. Although the colts have had
> several good seasons since the arrival of Manning, it's really not a
> football city. All the fans know is what they read in the paper, or
> see on local TV. I've never seen the Jets play in NJ. I'm hoping to
> take my 2 sons to a game out there next season.
>
> I hope that works out for you and you have a great time ! My sense was that
> college sports out there get more attention, is it still that way?
You are right. IU, Purdue, ND, and now Butler get the most attention.
Especially when Bob Knight was around. He could do no wrong! lol. I
kid with everyone that they never heard of the NFL, or thought the
colts were still in Baltimore, until Manning showed up. They get more
excited over the farm progress show than the NFL.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 11:34 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"IndyJetsFan@gmail.com" <indyjetsfan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ffcd10d-7206-46d2-b317-d1d39c1fc369@f8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 5, 6:47 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "IndyJets...@gmail.com" <indyjets...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:21fec9a1-d526-4c51-a04e-18be8a63bc40@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 4, 9:09 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:20:18 -0800 (PST), "IndyJets...@gmail.com"
> > <indyjets...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >If anyone is going to Indy for the game and needs any info about the
> > >city, let me know. It would be nice to meet any fellow Jets fans. I've
> > >been reading your posts for several years. I live 20 minutes from
> > >Indy, and work on the westside. I'm originally from NJ.
>
> > >David
>
> > Nice offer, David.
> > Will you be going to the game?
> > And please feel free to participate... the more hte merrier ;)
>
> I'll be there. I went to all the Jets games back when they came here
> to play their former AFC east foes. Although the colts have had
> several good seasons since the arrival of Manning, it's really not a
> football city. All the fans know is what they read in the paper, or
> see on local TV. I've never seen the Jets play in NJ. I'm hoping to
> take my 2 sons to a game out there next season.
>
> I hope that works out for you and you have a great time ! My sense was
> that
> college sports out there get more attention, is it still that way?
You are right. IU, Purdue, ND, and now Butler get the most attention.
Especially when Bob Knight was around. He could do no wrong! lol. I
kid with everyone that they never heard of the NFL, or thought the
colts were still in Baltimore, until Manning showed up. They get more
excited over the farm progress show than the NFL.
That was the sense I got being out there so many years ago. We did have a
good time. My friend was treated at the Hospital at IU, and they were then
able to do some surgery that nobody else had done successfully. I was
amazed at how barren the city could look on a Sunday afternoon. Is it
still like that?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 11:54 am
From: JetsLife
On Jan 2, 1:58 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Seriously, what was the point of playing Sanchez for a series, just to hand it off?
> Did that keep his *hot-hand* scintillating?
>
> And I'm happy to see McKnight rushing the ball, and he's looking the way I thought he
> would - - productive... but talk about round peg in square whole... why not run him
> suitable to his skill set, rather than as if he's a ground & pound guy?
> They did this in pre-season, too. No wonder they had no clue on Woodhead, they seem to
> use these guys totally wrong.
>
> Lastly, seeing Gholston make a good play, I'm getting ready to see the Jets let him go...
> then BB will pick him up, & he'll become a good player. That he hasn't had a sack in 3
> seasons, something's going on with how they use him. He just doesn't look that bad...
> just like he's being used wrong.
>
> Bottom line, the whole coaching staff seems to lack the creativity, to utilize the
> particular skill sets each individual player has.
Strange coaching staff indeed.
So strange it has a 20-12 regular season record, 2-1 postseason record
including AFC title game appearance w/rookie QB (which before Flacco
had never been done before IINM?), 2/2 qualifying for postseason,
excellent utilization of many players' skill sets including less
heralded folks like Brad Smith, B. Moore, DeVito, etc. Not to mention
rejuvenating the franchise after the '08 collapse, electrifying the
fan base, what else am I missing?
I'll go to battle with this "strange CS" any day.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 5:01 pm
From: Rotalius Jephersun
In article <24d9c917-f9c8-498f-a25a-1af4e595f386@30g2000yql.googlegroups.com>
JetsLife <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote:
>electrifying the fan base,
In this case, the electrodes were attached to the feet.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 11:56 am
From: JetsLife
After the Chicago debacle the Jets spoke of going back to fundamentals
defensively. It looked damn good the following week against Buffalo.
Of course that was sans Fitzpatrick v. a less-than-inspired looking
offense.
Very intrigued to see if 'going back to fundamentals' bears fruit v. a
top offense like Indy. Saturday's results should tell us a lot about
the nature of several defensive disasters the 2nd half of the season.
Were those disasters byproducts of an undermanned pass rush &
secondary, sloppy fundamentals/communication errors, poor gameplans or
some combo of all the above?
We'll learn more Saturday night.
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