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Today's topics:

* Rex Refuses To Kiss Belichick's Ring - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/154fca4d8769cc8c?hl=en
* NFL Weight Limit ??? - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/038c9226eb387449?hl=en
* Our QB stinks - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b951051f37e74e38?hl=en
* What was/is Sanchez's problem ??? - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ae5e134910d5f050?hl=en
* So... - 8 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/34b272e7848c4489?hl=en
* Heard this...? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4da338a2495ead97?hl=en

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TOPIC: Rex Refuses To Kiss Belichick's Ring
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/154fca4d8769cc8c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 1:58 pm
From: euphy


But he said he's willing to lick his feet.

Jetgreeeen says this is true.

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TOPIC: NFL Weight Limit ???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/038c9226eb387449?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 2:06 pm
From: "JKConey"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ffd64804-597b-4cf4-9180-64e42b09e6be@a10g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
> I got another one of my *ideas*
>
> With guys getting bigger all the time... or... wanting to get
> bigger... it has a nasty habit of making hgh and other fun stuff
> irresistible. we got guys nearing 400 lbs now. soon 400 could be an
> average and not the peak.
>
> what would you say to putting a weigh limit on players now ??? do we
> want 450 pound guys in ten years or so ???


I'd love to see them get bigger and stronger and more juiced up than
ever. 1000 lb Walter Hudson's on the lines vs 1200 lb Manuel Uribe trying
to catch a Michael Vick type would be very entertaining.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 3:26 pm
From: Grinch


On Jan 11, 5:06 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ffd64804-597b-4cf4-9180-64e42b09e6be@a10g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I got another one of my *ideas*
>
> > With guys getting bigger all the time... or... wanting to get
> > bigger... it has a nasty habit of making hgh and other fun stuff
> > irresistible.  we got guys nearing 400 lbs now.  soon 400 could be an
> > average and not the peak.
>
> > what would  you say to putting a weigh limit on players now ??? do we
> > want 450 pound guys in ten years or so ???
>
>     I'd love to see them get bigger and stronger and more juiced up than
> ever. 1000 lb Walter Hudson's on the lines vs 1200 lb Manuel Uribe  trying
> to catch a Michael Vick type would be very entertaining.

If only Wahoo McDaniel had been on steroids!

"Waaahoooooo!!!"

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 4:36 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:073c1099-44be-4546-bd63-9a4545959bbf@m11g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 11, 2:36 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ffd64804-597b-4cf4-9180-64e42b09e6be@a10g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I got another one of my *ideas*
>
> > With guys getting bigger all the time... or... wanting to get
> > bigger... it has a nasty habit of making hgh and other fun stuff
> > irresistible. we got guys nearing 400 lbs now. soon 400 could be an
> > average and not the peak.
>
> > what would you say to putting a weigh limit on players now ??? do we
> > want 450 pound guys in ten years or so ???
>
> Michael...I've thought about this. Somebody needs to take a very serious
> look at the average life span of these guys too. They are kids, lured by
> dollar signs and fame and make decisions that shorten their lives by
> decades. I expect I'll hear all the stuff about how much the make etc.

For every one kid that makes it on to a pro team for a few years, how
many kids dont even make it out of the college ranks even though they
f'ed themselves up with phd trying to grab at the brass ring ??? 32
teams with 53 man rosters = only 1695 people on the planet playing pro
ball. Play the lottery instead.

A few years back a study was done with a cross section of athletes, all
sports and including Olympians. The results were annonymous. The topic was
steroids and performance enhancing drugs. One question was phrased as if a
"pill" were available that would make you the best in your sport and put
your performance at the top would you take it, even if you knew there was a
risk it could seriously shorten your life. Overwhelmingly the answer was
"Yes." That is the nature of competition at many levels. The kid trying to
be his best is doing just that and will do what it takes to do his best if
the method suggested by many is chemical enhancement. That is a fact and
suspect you don't think it exists. I am positive it does.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 4:38 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:4c14723f-101d-484a-bf86-fdf34b7af193@i41g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 11, 5:06 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ffd64804-597b-4cf4-9180-64e42b09e6be@a10g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I got another one of my *ideas*
>
> > With guys getting bigger all the time... or... wanting to get
> > bigger... it has a nasty habit of making hgh and other fun stuff
> > irresistible. we got guys nearing 400 lbs now. soon 400 could be an
> > average and not the peak.
>
> > what would you say to putting a weigh limit on players now ??? do we
> > want 450 pound guys in ten years or so ???
>
> I'd love to see them get bigger and stronger and more juiced up than
> ever. 1000 lb Walter Hudson's on the lines vs 1200 lb Manuel Uribe trying
> to catch a Michael Vick type would be very entertaining.

If only Wahoo McDaniel had been on steroids!

"Waaahoooooo!!!"

Yeah...he might have been half as good as Sam Huff :-)


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 4:58 pm
From: Michael


On Jan 11, 7:36 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:073c1099-44be-4546-bd63-9a4545959bbf@m11g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 11, 2:36 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:ffd64804-597b-4cf4-9180-64e42b09e6be@a10g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >I got another one of my *ideas*
>
> > > With guys getting bigger all the time... or... wanting to get
> > > bigger... it has a nasty habit of making hgh and other fun stuff
> > > irresistible. we got guys nearing 400 lbs now. soon 400 could be an
> > > average and not the peak.
>
> > > what would you say to putting a weigh limit on players now ??? do we
> > > want 450 pound guys in ten years or so ???
>
> > Michael...I've thought about this. Somebody needs to take a very serious
> > look at the average life span of these guys too. They are kids, lured by
> > dollar signs and fame and make decisions that shorten their lives by
> > decades. I expect I'll hear all the stuff about how much the make etc.
>
> For every one kid that makes it on to a pro team for a few years, how
> many kids dont even make it out of the college ranks even though they
> f'ed themselves up with phd trying to grab at the brass ring ??? 32
> teams with 53 man rosters = only 1695 people on the planet playing pro
> ball.  Play the lottery instead.
>
> A few years back a study was done with a cross section of athletes, all
> sports and including Olympians.  The results were annonymous.  The topic was
> steroids and performance enhancing drugs.  One question was phrased as if a
> "pill" were available that would make you the best in your sport and put
> your performance at the top would you take it, even if you knew there was a
> risk it could seriously shorten your life.  Overwhelmingly the answer was
> "Yes."  That is the nature of competition at many levels.  The kid trying to
> be his best is doing just that and will do what it takes to do his best if
> the method suggested by many is chemical enhancement.  That is a fact and
> suspect you don't think it exists.  I am positive it does.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

for a young athlete under competitive duress, acting wisely is
impossible


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 4:58 pm
From: Grinch


On Jan 11, 1:11 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I got another one of my *ideas*
>
> With guys getting bigger all the time... or... wanting to get
> bigger... it has a nasty habit of making hgh and other fun stuff
> irresistible.  we got guys nearing 400 lbs now.  soon 400 could be an
> average and not the peak.
>
> what would  you say to putting a weigh limit on players now ??? do we
> want 450 pound guys in ten years or so ???

Not on the pros, it's pointless and counterproductive.

The pros make mountains of money and are tended by the world's best
doctors and trainers and nutritionists.

The problem is the thousands of kids below the pros in college and
high schools, etc. who have no chance whatsoever of making the pros,
and get none of the expert medical/training/nutritional attention
while bulking up to 300+ pounds while developing all the bad habits
they will keep forever for the rest of their shortened lives.

But these kids will *still* bulk up just as they are now to make the
pros, even if the pros put in some weight limit at 350lbs or
something, because that will still be the way to make the pros.

So the weight limit would have to imposed by college and high schools,
etc.

But it won't ever happen, because as we've already mentioned, *they*
are functionally pros too. At least the coaches and adminstrators who
make huge money off of them are. And those coaches and adminstrators
want to keep those kids bulking (and juicing) just as they do now, to
make more money for themselves.

Did you see the BCS National *Amateur* Championship Game last night?
How many times did the commentators say, "The Ducks just can't handle
the bigger stronger Auburn line."?

Did you see the Auburn side celebrating after the game? And the
Oregon people getting ready to slash their wrists?

What message did every college coach and AD and president and big
alumni booster receive from that?

Multiply at every level down -- Texas high school divisional
championships, etc. -- and everywhere coaches are trying to get better-
paying jobs and players trying to get recruited by teams at higher
levels.

"We're going to make our players worse, just for their health". It
will never be enacted -- and if it ever is, it will be in a way they
make sure can be corruptly gamed liked the 1,000 other "amateur"
rules.

So while I'm entirely with you in principle ... good luck with that!


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 6:15 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:c09fa865-4990-4ab9-a9d5-2032c05aaafe@g26g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 11, 7:36 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:073c1099-44be-4546-bd63-9a4545959bbf@m11g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 11, 2:36 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:ffd64804-597b-4cf4-9180-64e42b09e6be@a10g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >I got another one of my *ideas*
>
> > > With guys getting bigger all the time... or... wanting to get
> > > bigger... it has a nasty habit of making hgh and other fun stuff
> > > irresistible. we got guys nearing 400 lbs now. soon 400 could be an
> > > average and not the peak.
>
> > > what would you say to putting a weigh limit on players now ??? do we
> > > want 450 pound guys in ten years or so ???
>
> > Michael...I've thought about this. Somebody needs to take a very serious
> > look at the average life span of these guys too. They are kids, lured by
> > dollar signs and fame and make decisions that shorten their lives by
> > decades. I expect I'll hear all the stuff about how much the make etc.
>
> For every one kid that makes it on to a pro team for a few years, how
> many kids dont even make it out of the college ranks even though they
> f'ed themselves up with phd trying to grab at the brass ring ??? 32
> teams with 53 man rosters = only 1695 people on the planet playing pro
> ball. Play the lottery instead.
>
> A few years back a study was done with a cross section of athletes, all
> sports and including Olympians. The results were annonymous. The topic was
> steroids and performance enhancing drugs. One question was phrased as if a
> "pill" were available that would make you the best in your sport and put
> your performance at the top would you take it, even if you knew there was
> a
> risk it could seriously shorten your life. Overwhelmingly the answer was
> "Yes." That is the nature of competition at many levels. The kid trying to
> be his best is doing just that and will do what it takes to do his best if
> the method suggested by many is chemical enhancement. That is a fact and
> suspect you don't think it exists. I am positive it does.- Hide quoted
> text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

for a young athlete under competitive duress, acting wisely is
impossible

Very good analysis

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TOPIC: Our QB stinks
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b951051f37e74e38?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 2:31 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:55:43 -0500, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

>
>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>news:6kkoi65995bjsm8nlutstcdbvpuf0cdjks@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:01:57 -0500, "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
>>>news:XrednaUYkLul6bbQnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:igb701$a96$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Sorry guys but it's true. Colts gave up 30 to the Titans! He's a low
>>>>> percentage guy, yet they keep asking him to throw it 40 times, when the
>>>>> run is going pretty good. Keller is wide wide wide open running across
>>>>> the field yet he holds the ball until he's covered, and we lose the 3.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> www.myconeyislandmemories.com
>>>>
>>>> He's a play action passer..he was in college and he is now...he should
>>>> be
>>>> doing mostly that stuff and forget the straight drops.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He's a low % passer asked to throw it 35 times a game. Chad was 2 for
>>>every 3 from the start. He shows no touch at all. Damn he's been held
>>>without a TD in how many games? They win in spite of him. Where would you
>>>honestly rank him?
>>
>> It's impossible to rate him, as far as a number, given the offense he's
>> given, and being a
>> kid.
>> First, there's all the stupid motion & shifting crap, that takes time away
>> from his reads.
>> Then, he has to rush to read, kill the initial play, etc... then
>> generally, they make him
>> a drop-back QB.
>> I will say he's taken large steps from last season, despite the offense
>> he's been given,
>> unwarranted media & fan criticism, and a seeming lack of coaching.
>> I think the bigger question, is what do you expect from him, under the
>> circumstances of
>> his age, experience, & having an incompetent OC?
>
>Every time they re-set the formation the D changes too...so his reads keep
>changing.....if he could make the change based on an audible it is a lot
>different because he moves them to something he wants the D to do or what he
>sees. If he needs to go slow...OK...but give him a chance to see what the D
>is doing. I'd love to see / hear how opponents view the Jets
>motion...sometimes it appears they do not adjust at all, because the motion
>and resetting people just takes them right back to the same stregnths anyway
>and they appear to run the same stuff out of all the multiple sets.
>

True.
If you watch Defenses, often hey just wait for Sanchez, knowing he's going to have to
rush. Then they adjust. I think that's why he's so much more effective, in the hurryup.
He can just read & react, rather than reading & thinking, then adjusting.
And your point about the audible, is also so much on target.
Everything just seems to take so long, before the ball is snapped, that it's tough to get
any rhythm.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 2:38 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:04:52 -0500, "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>news:6kkoi65995bjsm8nlutstcdbvpuf0cdjks@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:01:57 -0500, "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
>>>news:XrednaUYkLul6bbQnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:igb701$a96$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Sorry guys but it's true. Colts gave up 30 to the Titans! He's a low
>>>>> percentage guy, yet they keep asking him to throw it 40 times, when the
>>>>> run is going pretty good. Keller is wide wide wide open running across
>>>>> the field yet he holds the ball until he's covered, and we lose the 3.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> www.myconeyislandmemories.com
>>>>
>>>> He's a play action passer..he was in college and he is now...he should
>>>> be
>>>> doing mostly that stuff and forget the straight drops.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He's a low % passer asked to throw it 35 times a game. Chad was 2 for
>>>every 3 from the start. He shows no touch at all. Damn he's been held
>>>without a TD in how many games? They win in spite of him. Where would you
>>>honestly rank him?
>>
>> It's impossible to rate him, as far as a number, given the offense he's
>> given, and being a
>> kid.
>> First, there's all the stupid motion & shifting crap, that takes time away
>> from his reads.
>> Then, he has to rush to read, kill the initial play, etc... then
>> generally, they make him
>> a drop-back QB.
>> I will say he's taken large steps from last season, despite the offense
>> he's been given,
>> unwarranted media & fan criticism, and a seeming lack of coaching.
>> I think the bigger question, is what do you expect from him, under the
>> circumstances of
>> his age, experience, & having an incompetent OC?
>
>
> No argument. You keep telling me WHY he stinks, while I'm just stating
>that he does. He doesn't have a different system or coach to work with. He
>doesn't have experience or touch. Maybe he'll get better, and mature in this
>system someday, but right now he's ranked at the bottom.

I'm telling you why the offense stinks.
You're blaming the offense on him.
I don't think he stinks, he's a product of his offense.
The offense stinks, and he's being asked to do the impossible.

And, at least this season, far more often than not, at crunch time when he needs to
perform, he gets the job done. Case in point, moving the team downfield in under a
minute, to get into the position for the winning FG.
A guy that stinks doesn't do that... and it's the Colts playing the Pats ;)

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TOPIC: What was/is Sanchez's problem ???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ae5e134910d5f050?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 2:41 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:51:19 -0500, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

>
>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>news:96loi6d2vctlse4g63qu1lt7atvkhbmbp4@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:37:32 -0500, "papa.carl44"
>> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>news:harlan-4CE9B6.23055010012011@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>> In article
>>>> <2eb85743-7bb6-4be7-a986-b6635ef95258@s9g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 10, 3:37 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >
>>>>> > news:92669e77-a9c1-4eb9-a650-33a28b7e5a89@fo10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> > On Jan 10, 1:08 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:59:04 -0800 (PST), Michael
>>>>> > > <mjd1...@verizon.net>
>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>> > > >The Jets were the better team vs.. the Colts in every aspect other
>>>>> > > >than QB. IMHO, it looked like Sanchez's poor play cost them about
>>>>> > > >17
>>>>> > > >points.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >With the adjusted Jets defense, they have some sort of a chance
>>>>> > > >against NE now ONLY if Sanchez plays a lot better. Is this
>>>>> > > >possible ??? What is Sanchez's problem ???
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >1. Rusty from not throwing for two weeks ??? (this can be fixed)
>>>>> > > >2. Was overly concerned about throwing a pic ???(this can be
>>>>> > > >fixed)
>>>>> > > >3. Was just too jacked-up and adrenalized ??? (this can be fixed)
>>>>> > > >4. His arm was hurting so he over-compensated ??? (this may not be
>>>>> > > >a
>>>>> > > >solvable problem)
>>>>> > > >5. He took a pain shot and that effected his "feel" for the ball
>>>>> > > >???
>>>>> > > >(again... if he is that bad off physically, this may not be
>>>>> > > >solvable)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >So... What is it ??? Mental or physical ???
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >Also... If he looks that bad early on next week, perhaps put in
>>>>> > > >old
>>>>> > > >man Brunell before the game is out of control ???
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > He was 9-11 in the 2nd half.
>>>>> > > Maybe, it has something to do with the 1st-half offense, being
>>>>> > > rushed
>>>>> > > as
>>>>> > > he was. Not to
>>>>> > > mention a sore shouolder.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>>>> >
>>>>> > most of the interceptions he threw over the past two years,
>>>>> > especially
>>>>> > last season were bad decisions and not so much bad balls. i was
>>>>> > thinking since he was throwing nothing but bad balls yesterday it was
>>>>> > his shoulder. it looked like he was pushing off and torqueing a lot
>>>>> > more. perhaps because it was painful to throw with his arm and
>>>>> > shoulder. even the big pass to edwards on the final drive was high
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And IMHO...your observations would be correct.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> >
>>>>> > - Show quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>> i just hope if he is not capable of playing well that the coaches will
>>>>> have the stones to put in old man brunell or clemmens. i give the
>>>>> jets small chance to win with a good sanchez and zero chance with a
>>>>> bad sanchez
>>>>
>>>> I won't debate your assessment (nor concede your point). But Brunell or
>>>> Clemens playing ensures a loss.
>>>>
>>>> Better to put in Brad Smith and go Wildcat and sprint out passes the
>>>> entire game.
>>>>
>>>> h
>>>
>>>Yes...go heavy line...motion and tons of power wildcat sweeps and sprints
>>>with some counters, in a super hurry up offense.
>>>
>>
>> In a dream world ;)
>> Every time they do wildcat, the O tends to go into slow motion.
>> The hurry up aint an option, with how slow they are in getting the thing
>> set up ;)
>
>They did it right against Buffalo a few times, and then changed it and
>screwed it up, they were even able to change personell against Buffalo and
>get plays off etc. So, it can be done. I just think it is something that
>needs to be done in spurts and for a series, not as a one play thing which
>does take too long for some reason....anyway, let's hope Sanchez has the
>game of his life and they don't need to do it.
>

Agreed. The Buffalo game they did it more efficiently, and demonstrated they could do it
right. Unfortunately, in real games Schott can't think on the fly.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 4:39 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
news:k0npi6hqcvfg7b5t64h0jadf3pc89sc3f0@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:51:19 -0500, "papa.carl44"
> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>news:96loi6d2vctlse4g63qu1lt7atvkhbmbp4@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:37:32 -0500, "papa.carl44"
>>> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:harlan-4CE9B6.23055010012011@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <2eb85743-7bb6-4be7-a986-b6635ef95258@s9g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 10, 3:37 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > news:92669e77-a9c1-4eb9-a650-33a28b7e5a89@fo10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> > On Jan 10, 1:08 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:59:04 -0800 (PST), Michael
>>>>>> > > <mjd1...@verizon.net>
>>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>> > > >The Jets were the better team vs.. the Colts in every aspect
>>>>>> > > >other
>>>>>> > > >than QB. IMHO, it looked like Sanchez's poor play cost them
>>>>>> > > >about
>>>>>> > > >17
>>>>>> > > >points.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > >With the adjusted Jets defense, they have some sort of a chance
>>>>>> > > >against NE now ONLY if Sanchez plays a lot better. Is this
>>>>>> > > >possible ??? What is Sanchez's problem ???
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > >1. Rusty from not throwing for two weeks ??? (this can be fixed)
>>>>>> > > >2. Was overly concerned about throwing a pic ???(this can be
>>>>>> > > >fixed)
>>>>>> > > >3. Was just too jacked-up and adrenalized ??? (this can be
>>>>>> > > >fixed)
>>>>>> > > >4. His arm was hurting so he over-compensated ??? (this may not
>>>>>> > > >be
>>>>>> > > >a
>>>>>> > > >solvable problem)
>>>>>> > > >5. He took a pain shot and that effected his "feel" for the ball
>>>>>> > > >???
>>>>>> > > >(again... if he is that bad off physically, this may not be
>>>>>> > > >solvable)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > >So... What is it ??? Mental or physical ???
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > >Also... If he looks that bad early on next week, perhaps put in
>>>>>> > > >old
>>>>>> > > >man Brunell before the game is out of control ???
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > He was 9-11 in the 2nd half.
>>>>>> > > Maybe, it has something to do with the 1st-half offense, being
>>>>>> > > rushed
>>>>>> > > as
>>>>>> > > he was. Not to
>>>>>> > > mention a sore shouolder.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > most of the interceptions he threw over the past two years,
>>>>>> > especially
>>>>>> > last season were bad decisions and not so much bad balls. i was
>>>>>> > thinking since he was throwing nothing but bad balls yesterday it
>>>>>> > was
>>>>>> > his shoulder. it looked like he was pushing off and torqueing a lot
>>>>>> > more. perhaps because it was painful to throw with his arm and
>>>>>> > shoulder. even the big pass to edwards on the final drive was high
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > And IMHO...your observations would be correct.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i just hope if he is not capable of playing well that the coaches
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> have the stones to put in old man brunell or clemmens. i give the
>>>>>> jets small chance to win with a good sanchez and zero chance with a
>>>>>> bad sanchez
>>>>>
>>>>> I won't debate your assessment (nor concede your point). But Brunell
>>>>> or
>>>>> Clemens playing ensures a loss.
>>>>>
>>>>> Better to put in Brad Smith and go Wildcat and sprint out passes the
>>>>> entire game.
>>>>>
>>>>> h
>>>>
>>>>Yes...go heavy line...motion and tons of power wildcat sweeps and
>>>>sprints
>>>>with some counters, in a super hurry up offense.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In a dream world ;)
>>> Every time they do wildcat, the O tends to go into slow motion.
>>> The hurry up aint an option, with how slow they are in getting the thing
>>> set up ;)
>>
>>They did it right against Buffalo a few times, and then changed it and
>>screwed it up, they were even able to change personell against Buffalo and
>>get plays off etc. So, it can be done. I just think it is something that
>>needs to be done in spurts and for a series, not as a one play thing which
>>does take too long for some reason....anyway, let's hope Sanchez has the
>>game of his life and they don't need to do it.
>>
>
> Agreed. The Buffalo game they did it more efficiently, and demonstrated
> they could do it
> right. Unfortunately, in real games Schott can't think on the fly.

Someone I know and respect, a serious football person...told me they should
put the headphones on Brunell and let him do all the talking to
Sanchez...and call the plays.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 6:27 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:39:58 -0500, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

>
>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>news:k0npi6hqcvfg7b5t64h0jadf3pc89sc3f0@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:51:19 -0500, "papa.carl44"
>> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>>news:96loi6d2vctlse4g63qu1lt7atvkhbmbp4@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:37:32 -0500, "papa.carl44"
>>>> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:harlan-4CE9B6.23055010012011@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <2eb85743-7bb6-4be7-a986-b6635ef95258@s9g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 10, 3:37 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > news:92669e77-a9c1-4eb9-a650-33a28b7e5a89@fo10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> > On Jan 10, 1:08 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:59:04 -0800 (PST), Michael
>>>>>>> > > <mjd1...@verizon.net>
>>>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >The Jets were the better team vs.. the Colts in every aspect
>>>>>>> > > >other
>>>>>>> > > >than QB. IMHO, it looked like Sanchez's poor play cost them
>>>>>>> > > >about
>>>>>>> > > >17
>>>>>>> > > >points.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >With the adjusted Jets defense, they have some sort of a chance
>>>>>>> > > >against NE now ONLY if Sanchez plays a lot better. Is this
>>>>>>> > > >possible ??? What is Sanchez's problem ???
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >1. Rusty from not throwing for two weeks ??? (this can be fixed)
>>>>>>> > > >2. Was overly concerned about throwing a pic ???(this can be
>>>>>>> > > >fixed)
>>>>>>> > > >3. Was just too jacked-up and adrenalized ??? (this can be
>>>>>>> > > >fixed)
>>>>>>> > > >4. His arm was hurting so he over-compensated ??? (this may not
>>>>>>> > > >be
>>>>>>> > > >a
>>>>>>> > > >solvable problem)
>>>>>>> > > >5. He took a pain shot and that effected his "feel" for the ball
>>>>>>> > > >???
>>>>>>> > > >(again... if he is that bad off physically, this may not be
>>>>>>> > > >solvable)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >So... What is it ??? Mental or physical ???
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >Also... If he looks that bad early on next week, perhaps put in
>>>>>>> > > >old
>>>>>>> > > >man Brunell before the game is out of control ???
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > He was 9-11 in the 2nd half.
>>>>>>> > > Maybe, it has something to do with the 1st-half offense, being
>>>>>>> > > rushed
>>>>>>> > > as
>>>>>>> > > he was. Not to
>>>>>>> > > mention a sore shouolder.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > most of the interceptions he threw over the past two years,
>>>>>>> > especially
>>>>>>> > last season were bad decisions and not so much bad balls. i was
>>>>>>> > thinking since he was throwing nothing but bad balls yesterday it
>>>>>>> > was
>>>>>>> > his shoulder. it looked like he was pushing off and torqueing a lot
>>>>>>> > more. perhaps because it was painful to throw with his arm and
>>>>>>> > shoulder. even the big pass to edwards on the final drive was high
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > And IMHO...your observations would be correct.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i just hope if he is not capable of playing well that the coaches
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> have the stones to put in old man brunell or clemmens. i give the
>>>>>>> jets small chance to win with a good sanchez and zero chance with a
>>>>>>> bad sanchez
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I won't debate your assessment (nor concede your point). But Brunell
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> Clemens playing ensures a loss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Better to put in Brad Smith and go Wildcat and sprint out passes the
>>>>>> entire game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> h
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes...go heavy line...motion and tons of power wildcat sweeps and
>>>>>sprints
>>>>>with some counters, in a super hurry up offense.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a dream world ;)
>>>> Every time they do wildcat, the O tends to go into slow motion.
>>>> The hurry up aint an option, with how slow they are in getting the thing
>>>> set up ;)
>>>
>>>They did it right against Buffalo a few times, and then changed it and
>>>screwed it up, they were even able to change personell against Buffalo and
>>>get plays off etc. So, it can be done. I just think it is something that
>>>needs to be done in spurts and for a series, not as a one play thing which
>>>does take too long for some reason....anyway, let's hope Sanchez has the
>>>game of his life and they don't need to do it.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed. The Buffalo game they did it more efficiently, and demonstrated
>> they could do it
>> right. Unfortunately, in real games Schott can't think on the fly.
>
>Someone I know and respect, a serious football person...told me they should
>put the headphones on Brunell and let him do all the talking to
>Sanchez...and call the plays.
>

That makes very good sense... seriously.
I've thought for a while that Sanchez has some issues with Schott... more in-game than
off-field.
Did you hear that that last pass to Braylon, on Saturday, was Sanchez' call?
According to Rex, Sanchez told Schott that Braylon was open, and he wanted to pass it...
and Schott said something like, *go do what you want.* It would be really interesting to
find out what really took place ;) But Schott seems to have such a lack of feel for the
flow of the game.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 7:14 pm
From: Michael


On Jan 11, 7:39 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> news:k0npi6hqcvfg7b5t64h0jadf3pc89sc3f0@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:51:19 -0500, "papa.carl44"
> > <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>"buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> >>news:96loi6d2vctlse4g63qu1lt7atvkhbmbp4@4ax.com...
> >>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:37:32 -0500, "papa.carl44"
> >>> <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>"Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:harlan-4CE9B6.23055010012011@news60.forteinc.com...
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> <2eb85743-7bb6-4be7-a986-b6635ef95...@s9g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>> Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Jan 10, 3:37 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >>>>>> >news:92669e77-a9c1-4eb9-a650-33a28b7e5a89@fo10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>> > On Jan 10, 1:08 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:59:04 -0800 (PST), Michael
> >>>>>> > > <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> >>>>>> > > wrote:
> >>>>>> > > >The Jets were the better team vs.. the Colts in every aspect
> >>>>>> > > >other
> >>>>>> > > >than QB. IMHO, it looked like Sanchez's poor play cost them
> >>>>>> > > >about
> >>>>>> > > >17
> >>>>>> > > >points.
>
> >>>>>> > > >With the adjusted Jets defense, they have some sort of a chance
> >>>>>> > > >against NE now ONLY if Sanchez plays a lot better. Is this
> >>>>>> > > >possible ??? What is Sanchez's problem ???
>
> >>>>>> > > >1. Rusty from not throwing for two weeks ??? (this can be fixed)
> >>>>>> > > >2. Was overly concerned about throwing a pic ???(this can be
> >>>>>> > > >fixed)
> >>>>>> > > >3. Was just too jacked-up and adrenalized ??? (this can be
> >>>>>> > > >fixed)
> >>>>>> > > >4. His arm was hurting so he over-compensated ??? (this may not
> >>>>>> > > >be
> >>>>>> > > >a
> >>>>>> > > >solvable problem)
> >>>>>> > > >5. He took a pain shot and that effected his "feel" for the ball
> >>>>>> > > >???
> >>>>>> > > >(again... if he is that bad off physically, this may not be
> >>>>>> > > >solvable)
>
> >>>>>> > > >So... What is it ??? Mental or physical ???
>
> >>>>>> > > >Also... If he looks that bad early on next week, perhaps put in
> >>>>>> > > >old
> >>>>>> > > >man Brunell before the game is out of control ???
>
> >>>>>> > > He was 9-11 in the 2nd half.
> >>>>>> > > Maybe, it has something to do with the 1st-half offense, being
> >>>>>> > > rushed
> >>>>>> > > as
> >>>>>> > > he was. Not to
> >>>>>> > > mention a sore shouolder.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>>> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>>>> > most of the interceptions he threw over the past two years,
> >>>>>> > especially
> >>>>>> > last season were bad decisions and not so much bad balls. i was
> >>>>>> > thinking since he was throwing nothing but bad balls yesterday it
> >>>>>> > was
> >>>>>> > his shoulder. it looked like he was pushing off and torqueing a lot
> >>>>>> > more. perhaps because it was painful to throw with his arm and
> >>>>>> > shoulder. even the big pass to edwards on the final drive was high
>
> >>>>>> > And IMHO...your observations would be correct.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>>> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>>>> i just hope if he is not capable of playing well that the coaches
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>> have the stones to put in old man brunell or clemmens.  i give the
> >>>>>> jets small chance to win with a good sanchez and zero chance with a
> >>>>>> bad sanchez
>
> >>>>> I won't debate your assessment (nor concede your point). But Brunell
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> Clemens playing ensures a loss.
>
> >>>>> Better to put in Brad Smith and go Wildcat and sprint out passes the
> >>>>> entire game.
>
> >>>>> h
>
> >>>>Yes...go heavy line...motion and tons of power wildcat sweeps and
> >>>>sprints
> >>>>with some counters, in a super hurry up offense.
>
> >>> In a dream world ;)
> >>> Every time they do wildcat, the O tends to go into slow motion.
> >>> The hurry up aint an option, with how slow they are in getting the thing
> >>> set up ;)
>
> >>They did it right against Buffalo a few times, and then changed it and
> >>screwed it up, they were even able to change personell against Buffalo and
> >>get plays off etc.  So, it can be done.  I just think it is something that
> >>needs to be done in spurts and for a series, not as a one play thing which
> >>does take too long for some reason....anyway, let's hope Sanchez has the
> >>game of his life and they don't need to do it.
>
> > Agreed.  The Buffalo game they did it more efficiently, and demonstrated
> > they could do it
> > right.  Unfortunately, in real games Schott can't think on the fly.
>
> Someone I know and respect, a serious football person...told me they should
> put the headphones on Brunell and let him do all the talking to
> Sanchez...and call the plays.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

nick mangold also tried to get schotty to give him the freedom to
change the play and he was rebuffed by shotty. i know this is getting
to be a bore to a lot of people when i say it, but schotty is a poor
play caller. i've been thinking that schotty has been getting some
*advice* since the miami loss. i really hope they get him out of
there for next season.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 7:44 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <514qi6h25sktdunofh0qsothsnvip6ejm8@4ax.com>,
buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:39:58 -0500, "papa.carl44"
> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> >news:k0npi6hqcvfg7b5t64h0jadf3pc89sc3f0@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:51:19 -0500, "papa.carl44"
> >> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:96loi6d2vctlse4g63qu1lt7atvkhbmbp4@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:37:32 -0500, "papa.carl44"
> >>>> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:harlan-4CE9B6.23055010012011@news60.forteinc.com...
> >>>>>> In article
> >>>>>> <2eb85743-7bb6-4be7-a986-b6635ef95258@s9g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>> Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jan 10, 3:37 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > news:92669e77-a9c1-4eb9-a650-33a28b7e5a89@fo10g2000vbb.googlegroups.
> >>>>>>> > com...
> >>>>>>> > On Jan 10, 1:08 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:59:04 -0800 (PST), Michael
> >>>>>>> > > <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> >>>>>>> > > wrote:
> >>>>>>> > > >The Jets were the better team vs.. the Colts in every aspect
> >>>>>>> > > >other
> >>>>>>> > > >than QB. IMHO, it looked like Sanchez's poor play cost them
> >>>>>>> > > >about
> >>>>>>> > > >17
> >>>>>>> > > >points.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > > >With the adjusted Jets defense, they have some sort of a chance
> >>>>>>> > > >against NE now ONLY if Sanchez plays a lot better. Is this
> >>>>>>> > > >possible ??? What is Sanchez's problem ???
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > > >1. Rusty from not throwing for two weeks ??? (this can be fixed)
> >>>>>>> > > >2. Was overly concerned about throwing a pic ???(this can be
> >>>>>>> > > >fixed)
> >>>>>>> > > >3. Was just too jacked-up and adrenalized ??? (this can be
> >>>>>>> > > >fixed)
> >>>>>>> > > >4. His arm was hurting so he over-compensated ??? (this may not
> >>>>>>> > > >be
> >>>>>>> > > >a
> >>>>>>> > > >solvable problem)
> >>>>>>> > > >5. He took a pain shot and that effected his "feel" for the ball
> >>>>>>> > > >???
> >>>>>>> > > >(again... if he is that bad off physically, this may not be
> >>>>>>> > > >solvable)
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > > >So... What is it ??? Mental or physical ???
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > > >Also... If he looks that bad early on next week, perhaps put in
> >>>>>>> > > >old
> >>>>>>> > > >man Brunell before the game is out of control ???
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > > He was 9-11 in the 2nd half.
> >>>>>>> > > Maybe, it has something to do with the 1st-half offense, being
> >>>>>>> > > rushed
> >>>>>>> > > as
> >>>>>>> > > he was. Not to
> >>>>>>> > > mention a sore shouolder.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > > - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > most of the interceptions he threw over the past two years,
> >>>>>>> > especially
> >>>>>>> > last season were bad decisions and not so much bad balls. i was
> >>>>>>> > thinking since he was throwing nothing but bad balls yesterday it
> >>>>>>> > was
> >>>>>>> > his shoulder. it looked like he was pushing off and torqueing a lot
> >>>>>>> > more. perhaps because it was painful to throw with his arm and
> >>>>>>> > shoulder. even the big pass to edwards on the final drive was high
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > And IMHO...your observations would be correct.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> i just hope if he is not capable of playing well that the coaches
> >>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>> have the stones to put in old man brunell or clemmens. i give the
> >>>>>>> jets small chance to win with a good sanchez and zero chance with a
> >>>>>>> bad sanchez
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I won't debate your assessment (nor concede your point). But Brunell
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>> Clemens playing ensures a loss.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Better to put in Brad Smith and go Wildcat and sprint out passes the
> >>>>>> entire game.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> h
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Yes...go heavy line...motion and tons of power wildcat sweeps and
> >>>>>sprints
> >>>>>with some counters, in a super hurry up offense.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In a dream world ;)
> >>>> Every time they do wildcat, the O tends to go into slow motion.
> >>>> The hurry up aint an option, with how slow they are in getting the thing
> >>>> set up ;)
> >>>
> >>>They did it right against Buffalo a few times, and then changed it and
> >>>screwed it up, they were even able to change personell against Buffalo and
> >>>get plays off etc. So, it can be done. I just think it is something that
> >>>needs to be done in spurts and for a series, not as a one play thing which
> >>>does take too long for some reason....anyway, let's hope Sanchez has the
> >>>game of his life and they don't need to do it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Agreed. The Buffalo game they did it more efficiently, and demonstrated
> >> they could do it
> >> right. Unfortunately, in real games Schott can't think on the fly.
> >
> >Someone I know and respect, a serious football person...told me they should
> >put the headphones on Brunell and let him do all the talking to
> >Sanchez...and call the plays.
> >
>
> That makes very good sense... seriously.
> I've thought for a while that Sanchez has some issues with Schott... more
> in-game than
> off-field.
> Did you hear that that last pass to Braylon, on Saturday, was Sanchez' call?
> According to Rex, Sanchez told Schott that Braylon was open, and he wanted to
> pass it...
> and Schott said something like, *go do what you want.* It would be really
> interesting to
> find out what really took place ;) But Schott seems to have such a lack of
> feel for the
> flow of the game.

OTOH, Chris Collingsworth said at the time, I would not be surprised to
see them go long to Braylon, having pointed out that he was wide open on
the pass before (right after the running play).

Maybe it was the obvious call.

h

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 2:59 pm
From: buRford


I got home, & turned my TV to take a look at the weather.
TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
I was impressed by his intelligence.

Got me thinking about what the D may do.
One thing that's pretty clear to me, is that Cro should be on a TE. He has trouble with
smaller quick guys.
I'm seeing some type of inside out D, where they clog the middle, and force the Pats
outside, where the strength of the Jets 2ndary is.
The biggest key to me, is how physical the D plays. Teams seem to get in chess matches
with the Pats O, and invariably lose. The Jets can beat them physically, whether or not
they can do it for 60 minutes, is the question.

That's where the O comes in. It's another ball control game, and even in the blowout a
few weeks ago, the Jets rushed pretty well in the first half... I think they had over
4yds/carry.
So, will Schott do what he did last week, and give in to what the D wanted at the outset
of the game... or will he try to do what he wants the Jets to do?
That's one of my biggest problems with Schott... he tends to prepare the team, as if it's
the worst case scenario, before even testing/prodding the D. Happily, he/they got it
right in the 2nd half last week. And I'm hoping he starts the game, with a plan to make
the Pats stop the rush, before he gives in.

This really should be a fun game. I'm not as sold on the Pats, as everyone is...
especially their D. I love watching their offense, but last time I looked they're human
beings, so they can be beaten, and in reality, Brady's due to throw a couple of INTs ;)


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 5:50 pm
From: Michael


On Jan 11, 5:59 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> I got home, & turned my TV to take a look at the weather.
> TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
> I was impressed by his intelligence.
>
> Got me thinking about what the D may do.
> One thing that's pretty clear to me, is that Cro should be on a TE. He has trouble with
> smaller quick guys.  
> I'm seeing some type of inside out D, where they clog the middle, and force the Pats
> outside, where the strength of the Jets 2ndary is.
> The biggest key to me, is how physical the D plays.  Teams seem to get in chess matches
> with the Pats O, and invariably lose.  The Jets can beat them physically, whether or not
> they can do it for 60 minutes, is the question.
>
> That's where the O comes in.  It's another ball control game, and even in the blowout a
> few weeks ago, the Jets rushed pretty well in the first half... I think they had over
> 4yds/carry.
> So, will Schott do what he did last week, and give in to what the D wanted at the outset
> of the game... or will he try to do what he wants the Jets to do?
> That's one of my biggest problems with Schott... he tends to prepare the team, as if it's
> the worst case scenario, before even testing/prodding the D.  Happily, he/they got it
> right in the 2nd half last week.  And I'm hoping he starts the game, with a plan to make
> the Pats stop the rush, before he gives in.
>
> This really should be a fun game.  I'm not as sold on the Pats, as everyone is...
> especially their D.  I love watching their offense, but last time I looked they're human
> beings, so they can be beaten, and in reality, Brady's due to throw a couple of INTs  ;)

i think running against the pats will be hard. they are stout in the
center with wilfork and lb's spikes and mayo. the jets have to have
ballance. not an easy task, though. in order to run, they have to
make the pats respect the pass and vice versa. it will all come down
to sanchez being able to execute the economical pass plays he will be
given and for the receivers to hold on to the ball. any dropped balls
and eratic passing will cost them in both the passing game and also
allowing things to open up for the running game. as much as rex
states that this is him vs bb, this is a players game for the jets
offense. if the execute and concentrate, they have a fair chance. i'm
less concerned with how the jets defense will start out as far as
their game plan, and more interested to see if they can make
adjustments as needed. and i agree about cro. put him on hernadez or
grankowski. you can use a slower, smaller less athletic guy on
branch. may be even wilson or coleman. keep lowrey and smith
shallow. may be get revis on welker... you gotta jack him up at the
line a bit.


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 6:44 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:50:29 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Jan 11, 5:59 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> I got home, & turned my TV to take a look at the weather.
>> TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
>> I was impressed by his intelligence.
>>
>> Got me thinking about what the D may do.
>> One thing that's pretty clear to me, is that Cro should be on a TE. He has trouble with
>> smaller quick guys.  
>> I'm seeing some type of inside out D, where they clog the middle, and force the Pats
>> outside, where the strength of the Jets 2ndary is.
>> The biggest key to me, is how physical the D plays.  Teams seem to get in chess matches
>> with the Pats O, and invariably lose.  The Jets can beat them physically, whether or not
>> they can do it for 60 minutes, is the question.
>>
>> That's where the O comes in.  It's another ball control game, and even in the blowout a
>> few weeks ago, the Jets rushed pretty well in the first half... I think they had over
>> 4yds/carry.
>> So, will Schott do what he did last week, and give in to what the D wanted at the outset
>> of the game... or will he try to do what he wants the Jets to do?
>> That's one of my biggest problems with Schott... he tends to prepare the team, as if it's
>> the worst case scenario, before even testing/prodding the D.  Happily, he/they got it
>> right in the 2nd half last week.  And I'm hoping he starts the game, with a plan to make
>> the Pats stop the rush, before he gives in.
>>
>> This really should be a fun game.  I'm not as sold on the Pats, as everyone is...
>> especially their D.  I love watching their offense, but last time I looked they're human
>> beings, so they can be beaten, and in reality, Brady's due to throw a couple of INTs  ;)
>
>i think running against the pats will be hard. they are stout in the
>center with wilfork and lb's spikes and mayo. the jets have to have
>ballance. not an easy task, though. in order to run, they have to
>make the pats respect the pass and vice versa. it will all come down
>to sanchez being able to execute the economical pass plays he will be
>given and for the receivers to hold on to the ball. any dropped balls
>and eratic passing will cost them in both the passing game and also
>allowing things to open up for the running game. as much as rex
>states that this is him vs bb, this is a players game for the jets
>offense. if the execute and concentrate, they have a fair chance. i'm
>less concerned with how the jets defense will start out as far as
>their game plan, and more interested to see if they can make
>adjustments as needed. and i agree about cro. put him on hernadez or
>grankowski. you can use a slower, smaller less athletic guy on
>branch. may be even wilson or coleman. keep lowrey and smith
>shallow. may be get revis on welker... you gotta jack him up at the
>line a bit.

You've gotta jack them all up, & be physical. We know they're tough, but they're also
human. If you relentlessly beat 'em up, they'll get, well, beaten up ;)
I'd actually like to see Marquis Cole on Welker, with the inside jammed by backers &
safeties. Take away the slant, and make the receivers know they're going to be popped, if
they cross the middle of the field. I still don't trust Wilson, & Coleman just isn't
physical enough.

I know the Pats'll stack the box, and they've Wilfork, but the Jets have to make the Pats
stop them. That was the big mistake last week, they seemed to take for granted that the
Colts would stop them, without trying to force the issue. In the 2nd half they forced
their will. It's not like the Jets OL is a lightweight finesse line. They have the
capacity to run. I just get tired of Schott always trying to set up the run, with the
pass, without challenging the opposition. That's one big reason there's no scoring in the
first quarter. It's amazing to me, that with all the preparation beforehand, he cannot
come up with an effective script, to attack ANY of our opposition, at the outset of the
game.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 6:46 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:44:03 -0500, buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:50:29 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 11, 5:59 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>> I got home, & turned my TV to take a look at the weather.
>>> TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
>>> I was impressed by his intelligence.
>>>
>>> Got me thinking about what the D may do.
>>> One thing that's pretty clear to me, is that Cro should be on a TE. He has trouble with
>>> smaller quick guys.  
>>> I'm seeing some type of inside out D, where they clog the middle, and force the Pats
>>> outside, where the strength of the Jets 2ndary is.
>>> The biggest key to me, is how physical the D plays.  Teams seem to get in chess matches
>>> with the Pats O, and invariably lose.  The Jets can beat them physically, whether or not
>>> they can do it for 60 minutes, is the question.
>>>
>>> That's where the O comes in.  It's another ball control game, and even in the blowout a
>>> few weeks ago, the Jets rushed pretty well in the first half... I think they had over
>>> 4yds/carry.
>>> So, will Schott do what he did last week, and give in to what the D wanted at the outset
>>> of the game... or will he try to do what he wants the Jets to do?
>>> That's one of my biggest problems with Schott... he tends to prepare the team, as if it's
>>> the worst case scenario, before even testing/prodding the D.  Happily, he/they got it
>>> right in the 2nd half last week.  And I'm hoping he starts the game, with a plan to make
>>> the Pats stop the rush, before he gives in.
>>>
>>> This really should be a fun game.  I'm not as sold on the Pats, as everyone is...
>>> especially their D.  I love watching their offense, but last time I looked they're human
>>> beings, so they can be beaten, and in reality, Brady's due to throw a couple of INTs  ;)
>>
>>i think running against the pats will be hard. they are stout in the
>>center with wilfork and lb's spikes and mayo. the jets have to have
>>ballance. not an easy task, though. in order to run, they have to
>>make the pats respect the pass and vice versa. it will all come down
>>to sanchez being able to execute the economical pass plays he will be
>>given and for the receivers to hold on to the ball. any dropped balls
>>and eratic passing will cost them in both the passing game and also
>>allowing things to open up for the running game. as much as rex
>>states that this is him vs bb, this is a players game for the jets
>>offense. if the execute and concentrate, they have a fair chance. i'm
>>less concerned with how the jets defense will start out as far as
>>their game plan, and more interested to see if they can make
>>adjustments as needed. and i agree about cro. put him on hernadez or
>>grankowski. you can use a slower, smaller less athletic guy on
>>branch. may be even wilson or coleman. keep lowrey and smith
>>shallow. may be get revis on welker... you gotta jack him up at the
>>line a bit.
>
>You've gotta jack them all up, & be physical. We know they're tough, but they're also
>human. If you relentlessly beat 'em up, they'll get, well, beaten up ;)
>I'd actually like to see Marquis Cole on Welker, with the inside jammed by backers &
>safeties. Take away the slant, and make the receivers know they're going to be popped, if
>they cross the middle of the field. I still don't trust Wilson, & Coleman just isn't
>physical enough.
>
>I know the Pats'll stack the box, and they've Wilfork, but the Jets have to make the Pats
>stop them. That was the big mistake last week, they seemed to take for granted that the
>Colts would stop them, without trying to force the issue. In the 2nd half they forced
>their will. It's not like the Jets OL is a lightweight finesse line. They have the
>capacity to run. I just get tired of Schott always trying to set up the run, with the
>pass, without challenging the opposition. That's one big reason there's no scoring in the
>first quarter. It's amazing to me, that with all the preparation beforehand, he cannot
>come up with an effective script, to attack ANY of our opposition, at the outset of the
>game.

One other thing... Smith at LB may help keep the lil guy in check, coming out of the
backfield. He needs to be roughed up.


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 6:58 pm
From: Michael


On Jan 11, 9:46 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:44:03 -0500, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:50:29 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>On Jan 11, 5:59 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >>> I got home, & turned my TV to take a look at the weather.
> >>> TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
> >>> I was impressed by his intelligence.
>
> >>> Got me thinking about what the D may do.
> >>> One thing that's pretty clear to me, is that Cro should be on a TE. He has trouble with
> >>> smaller quick guys.  
> >>> I'm seeing some type of inside out D, where they clog the middle, and force the Pats
> >>> outside, where the strength of the Jets 2ndary is.
> >>> The biggest key to me, is how physical the D plays.  Teams seem to get in chess matches
> >>> with the Pats O, and invariably lose.  The Jets can beat them physically, whether or not
> >>> they can do it for 60 minutes, is the question.
>
> >>> That's where the O comes in.  It's another ball control game, and even in the blowout a
> >>> few weeks ago, the Jets rushed pretty well in the first half... I think they had over
> >>> 4yds/carry.
> >>> So, will Schott do what he did last week, and give in to what the D wanted at the outset
> >>> of the game... or will he try to do what he wants the Jets to do?
> >>> That's one of my biggest problems with Schott... he tends to prepare the team, as if it's
> >>> the worst case scenario, before even testing/prodding the D.  Happily, he/they got it
> >>> right in the 2nd half last week.  And I'm hoping he starts the game, with a plan to make
> >>> the Pats stop the rush, before he gives in.
>
> >>> This really should be a fun game.  I'm not as sold on the Pats, as everyone is...
> >>> especially their D.  I love watching their offense, but last time I looked they're human
> >>> beings, so they can be beaten, and in reality, Brady's due to throw a couple of INTs  ;)
>
> >>i think running against the pats will be hard.  they are stout in the
> >>center with wilfork and lb's spikes and mayo.  the jets have to have
> >>ballance.  not an easy task, though.  in order to run, they have to
> >>make the pats respect the pass and vice versa.  it will all come down
> >>to sanchez being able to execute the economical pass plays he will be
> >>given and for the receivers to hold on to the ball.  any dropped balls
> >>and eratic passing will cost them in both the passing game and also
> >>allowing things to open up for the running game.  as much as rex
> >>states that this is him vs bb, this is a players game for the jets
> >>offense. if the execute and concentrate, they have a fair chance.  i'm
> >>less concerned with how the jets defense will start out as far as
> >>their game plan, and more interested to see if they can make
> >>adjustments as needed.  and i agree about cro.  put him on hernadez or
> >>grankowski.  you can use a slower, smaller less athletic guy on
> >>branch.  may be even wilson or coleman. keep lowrey and smith
> >>shallow.  may be get revis on welker... you gotta jack him up at the
> >>line a bit.
>
> >You've gotta jack them all up, & be physical.  We know they're tough, but they're also
> >human.  If you relentlessly beat 'em up, they'll get, well, beaten up ;)
> >I'd actually like to see Marquis Cole on Welker, with the inside jammed by backers &
> >safeties.  Take away the slant, and make the receivers know they're going to be popped, if
> >they cross the middle of the field.  I still don't trust Wilson, & Coleman just isn't
> >physical enough.
>
> >I know the Pats'll stack the box, and they've Wilfork, but the Jets have to make the Pats
> >stop them.  That was the big mistake last week, they seemed to take for granted that the
> >Colts would stop them, without trying to force the issue. In the 2nd half they forced
> >their will.  It's not like the Jets OL is a lightweight finesse line.  They have the
> >capacity to run.  I just get tired of Schott always trying to set up the run, with the
> >pass, without challenging the opposition.  That's one big reason there's no scoring in the
> >first quarter.  It's amazing to me, that with all the preparation beforehand, he cannot
> >come up with an effective script, to attack ANY of our opposition, at the outset of the
> >game.
>
> One other thing... Smith at LB may help keep the lil guy in check, coming out of the
> backfield.  He needs to be roughed up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

smith was sorta a hybrid ss/lb in the colts game. i think he had his
best game by far as a jet. coming up on short routs from his shallow
position and making contact at the exact right time. they should use
him the same way vs the pats. i think the jets d should be in a dime
a lot of the time. probably bb is expecting more of what the jets d
did against the colts and plans to run on them to upset the jets new
defensive apple cart early on.


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 7:41 pm
From: "JKConey"

"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
news:5anpi6pc9lm3kjamlmlsvud9lv803802pe@4ax.com...
> I got home, & turned my TV to take a look at the weather.
> TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
> I was impressed by his intelligence.
>

We've beaten Brady before. I've seen him be quite average against us.
It's all about putting up 7's and getting the lead. Is Rex up for the
challenge of not going nuts? It can be done.

--

www.myconeyislandmemories.com

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 7:47 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<6435e3a8-9dcb-4ad7-854f-b1b7e1ac661b@f2g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Jan 11, 9:46 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:44:03 -0500, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > >On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:50:29 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >>On Jan 11, 5:59 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > >>> I got home, & turned my TV to take a look at the weather.
> > >>> TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
> > >>> I was impressed by his intelligence.
> >
> > >>> Got me thinking about what the D may do.
> > >>> One thing that's pretty clear to me, is that Cro should be on a TE. He
> > >>> has trouble with
> > >>> smaller quick guys.  
> > >>> I'm seeing some type of inside out D, where they clog the middle, and
> > >>> force the Pats
> > >>> outside, where the strength of the Jets 2ndary is.
> > >>> The biggest key to me, is how physical the D plays.  Teams seem to get
> > >>> in chess matches
> > >>> with the Pats O, and invariably lose.  The Jets can beat them
> > >>> physically, whether or not
> > >>> they can do it for 60 minutes, is the question.
> >
> > >>> That's where the O comes in.  It's another ball control game, and even
> > >>> in the blowout a
> > >>> few weeks ago, the Jets rushed pretty well in the first half... I think
> > >>> they had over
> > >>> 4yds/carry.
> > >>> So, will Schott do what he did last week, and give in to what the D
> > >>> wanted at the outset
> > >>> of the game... or will he try to do what he wants the Jets to do?
> > >>> That's one of my biggest problems with Schott... he tends to prepare
> > >>> the team, as if it's
> > >>> the worst case scenario, before even testing/prodding the D.  Happily,
> > >>> he/they got it
> > >>> right in the 2nd half last week.  And I'm hoping he starts the game,
> > >>> with a plan to make
> > >>> the Pats stop the rush, before he gives in.
> >
> > >>> This really should be a fun game.  I'm not as sold on the Pats, as
> > >>> everyone is...
> > >>> especially their D.  I love watching their offense, but last time I
> > >>> looked they're human
> > >>> beings, so they can be beaten, and in reality, Brady's due to throw a
> > >>> couple of INTs  ;)
> >
> > >>i think running against the pats will be hard.  they are stout in the
> > >>center with wilfork and lb's spikes and mayo.  the jets have to have
> > >>ballance.  not an easy task, though.  in order to run, they have to
> > >>make the pats respect the pass and vice versa.  it will all come down
> > >>to sanchez being able to execute the economical pass plays he will be
> > >>given and for the receivers to hold on to the ball.  any dropped balls
> > >>and eratic passing will cost them in both the passing game and also
> > >>allowing things to open up for the running game.  as much as rex
> > >>states that this is him vs bb, this is a players game for the jets
> > >>offense. if the execute and concentrate, they have a fair chance.  i'm
> > >>less concerned with how the jets defense will start out as far as
> > >>their game plan, and more interested to see if they can make
> > >>adjustments as needed.  and i agree about cro.  put him on hernadez or
> > >>grankowski.  you can use a slower, smaller less athletic guy on
> > >>branch.  may be even wilson or coleman. keep lowrey and smith
> > >>shallow.  may be get revis on welker... you gotta jack him up at the
> > >>line a bit.
> >
> > >You've gotta jack them all up, & be physical.  We know they're tough, but
> > >they're also
> > >human.  If you relentlessly beat 'em up, they'll get, well, beaten up ;)
> > >I'd actually like to see Marquis Cole on Welker, with the inside jammed by
> > >backers &
> > >safeties.  Take away the slant, and make the receivers know they're going
> > >to be popped, if
> > >they cross the middle of the field.  I still don't trust Wilson, & Coleman
> > >just isn't
> > >physical enough.
> >
> > >I know the Pats'll stack the box, and they've Wilfork, but the Jets have
> > >to make the Pats
> > >stop them.  That was the big mistake last week, they seemed to take for
> > >granted that the
> > >Colts would stop them, without trying to force the issue. In the 2nd half
> > >they forced
> > >their will.  It's not like the Jets OL is a lightweight finesse line.
> > > They have the
> > >capacity to run.  I just get tired of Schott always trying to set up the
> > >run, with the
> > >pass, without challenging the opposition.  That's one big reason there's
> > >no scoring in the
> > >first quarter.  It's amazing to me, that with all the preparation
> > >beforehand, he cannot
> > >come up with an effective script, to attack ANY of our opposition, at the
> > >outset of the
> > >game.
> >
> > One other thing... Smith at LB may help keep the lil guy in check, coming
> > out of the
> > backfield.  He needs to be roughed up.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> smith was sorta a hybrid ss/lb in the colts game. i think he had his
> best game by far as a jet. coming up on short routs from his shallow
> position and making contact at the exact right time. they should use
> him the same way vs the pats. i think the jets d should be in a dime
> a lot of the time. probably bb is expecting more of what the jets d
> did against the colts and plans to run on them to upset the jets new
> defensive apple cart early on.

Michael, I just rewatched the game and I have no reason why you say that
unless he was even worse than I have thought in all his other games. I
know he made one great play on Tamme, but he met Rhodes short of a first
and got pushed back, he came in late for support on a lot of passing and
running plays.

I just didn't see more than the one solid play. Poole, who I have also
been down on made three solid plays including two early on to set the
tone in the first quarter.

h


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 7:58 pm
From: Michael


On Jan 11, 10:47 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <6435e3a8-9dcb-4ad7-854f-b1b7e1ac6...@f2g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Jan 11, 9:46 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:44:03 -0500, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > > >On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:50:29 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> > > >wrote:
>
> > > >>On Jan 11, 5:59 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > > >>> I got home, & turned my TV to take a look at the weather.
> > > >>> TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
> > > >>> I was impressed by his intelligence.
>
> > > >>> Got me thinking about what the D may do.
> > > >>> One thing that's pretty clear to me, is that Cro should be on a TE. He
> > > >>> has trouble with
> > > >>> smaller quick guys.  
> > > >>> I'm seeing some type of inside out D, where they clog the middle, and
> > > >>> force the Pats
> > > >>> outside, where the strength of the Jets 2ndary is.
> > > >>> The biggest key to me, is how physical the D plays.  Teams seem to get
> > > >>> in chess matches
> > > >>> with the Pats O, and invariably lose.  The Jets can beat them
> > > >>> physically, whether or not
> > > >>> they can do it for 60 minutes, is the question.
>
> > > >>> That's where the O comes in.  It's another ball control game, and even
> > > >>> in the blowout a
> > > >>> few weeks ago, the Jets rushed pretty well in the first half... I think
> > > >>> they had over
> > > >>> 4yds/carry.
> > > >>> So, will Schott do what he did last week, and give in to what the D
> > > >>> wanted at the outset
> > > >>> of the game... or will he try to do what he wants the Jets to do?
> > > >>> That's one of my biggest problems with Schott... he tends to prepare
> > > >>> the team, as if it's
> > > >>> the worst case scenario, before even testing/prodding the D.  Happily,
> > > >>> he/they got it
> > > >>> right in the 2nd half last week.  And I'm hoping he starts the game,
> > > >>> with a plan to make
> > > >>> the Pats stop the rush, before he gives in.
>
> > > >>> This really should be a fun game.  I'm not as sold on the Pats, as
> > > >>> everyone is...
> > > >>> especially their D.  I love watching their offense, but last time I
> > > >>> looked they're human
> > > >>> beings, so they can be beaten, and in reality, Brady's due to throw a
> > > >>> couple of INTs  ;)
>
> > > >>i think running against the pats will be hard.  they are stout in the
> > > >>center with wilfork and lb's spikes and mayo.  the jets have to have
> > > >>ballance.  not an easy task, though.  in order to run, they have to
> > > >>make the pats respect the pass and vice versa.  it will all come down
> > > >>to sanchez being able to execute the economical pass plays he will be
> > > >>given and for the receivers to hold on to the ball.  any dropped balls
> > > >>and eratic passing will cost them in both the passing game and also
> > > >>allowing things to open up for the running game.  as much as rex
> > > >>states that this is him vs bb, this is a players game for the jets
> > > >>offense. if the execute and concentrate, they have a fair chance.  i'm
> > > >>less concerned with how the jets defense will start out as far as
> > > >>their game plan, and more interested to see if they can make
> > > >>adjustments as needed.  and i agree about cro.  put him on hernadez or
> > > >>grankowski.  you can use a slower, smaller less athletic guy on
> > > >>branch.  may be even wilson or coleman. keep lowrey and smith
> > > >>shallow.  may be get revis on welker... you gotta jack him up at the
> > > >>line a bit.
>
> > > >You've gotta jack them all up, & be physical.  We know they're tough, but
> > > >they're also
> > > >human.  If you relentlessly beat 'em up, they'll get, well, beaten up ;)
> > > >I'd actually like to see Marquis Cole on Welker, with the inside jammed by
> > > >backers &
> > > >safeties.  Take away the slant, and make the receivers know they're going
> > > >to be popped, if
> > > >they cross the middle of the field.  I still don't trust Wilson, & Coleman
> > > >just isn't
> > > >physical enough.
>
> > > >I know the Pats'll stack the box, and they've Wilfork, but the Jets have
> > > >to make the Pats
> > > >stop them.  That was the big mistake last week, they seemed to take for
> > > >granted that the
> > > >Colts would stop them, without trying to force the issue. In the 2nd half
> > > >they forced
> > > >their will.  It's not like the Jets OL is a lightweight finesse line.
> > > > They have the
> > > >capacity to run.  I just get tired of Schott always trying to set up the
> > > >run, with the
> > > >pass, without challenging the opposition.  That's one big reason there's
> > > >no scoring in the
> > > >first quarter.  It's amazing to me, that with all the preparation
> > > >beforehand, he cannot
> > > >come up with an effective script, to attack ANY of our opposition, at the
> > > >outset of the
> > > >game.
>
> > > One other thing... Smith at LB may help keep the lil guy in check, coming
> > > out of the
> > > backfield.  He needs to be roughed up.- Hide quoted text -
>
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>
> > smith was sorta a hybrid ss/lb in the colts game. i think he had his
> > best game by far as a jet.  coming up on short routs from his shallow
> > position and making contact at the exact right time. they should use
> > him the same way vs the pats.  i think the jets d should be in a dime
> > a lot of the time.  probably bb is expecting more of what the jets d
> > did against the colts and plans to run on them to upset the jets new
> > defensive apple cart early on.
>
> Michael, I just rewatched the game and I have no reason why you say that
> unless he was even worse than I have thought in all his other games. I
> know he made one great play on Tamme, but he met Rhodes short of a first
> and got pushed back, he came in late for support on a lot of passing and
> running plays
>
> I just didn't see more than the one solid play. Poole, who I have also
> been down on made three solid plays including two early on to set the
> tone in the first quarter.
>
> h- Hide quoted text -
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Smith did not draw a single flag for once. He did not get beat on any
key plays or critical first down conversions. He did not make ten
tackles or ten defended passes, but for once, he contributions were
all positive and none were horribly negative. in short, he has his
best game as a jet. they should use him the same way against the
pats. coming up from shallow ss/lb positoon to challange the short
passing game

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