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* This one is on Rex - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/df7deb2833d1e152?hl=en
* One LaDainian Tomlinson - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8027fde09f0c8909?hl=en
* On Sunday - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7e00ff845f86fe65?hl=en
* OT: A coach actually can leave on good terms (though it's more common to
stay on bad). - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/cda177a2a7c5e51f?hl=en
* Hope for the Jets - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2280b8023db18950?hl=en
* NFL Weight Limit ??? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Ricky Bobby says all 8 Teams will win. - 3 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5879418c1bcf8fd6?hl=en
* What was/is Sanchez's problem ??? - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ae5e134910d5f050?hl=en
* Welker gets in on the fun - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e7344b5c7616d5d2?hl=en
* Rex Fand And Critics... Get Ready - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/bf255086a21d23b9?hl=en
* Reggie Jackson to Jets: "Shut up and play" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c888bf653df82231?hl=en
* The Football Scientist... tellin' it like it is... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/810a7e1c57826020?hl=en
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TOPIC: This one is on Rex
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/df7deb2833d1e152?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 6:09 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"justin" <justin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:l9v1j6ht578pgvpcuss304s3frf9bqllhr@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:50:38 -0500, "papa.carl44"
> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>news:harlan-2EDA21.14112014012011@news60.forteinc.com...
>>> An unbiased observer, will admit that Revis and Brady are likely two of
>>> the best players at their respective positions.
>>>
>>> Welker is amazing but Braylon and Santonio are not slouches either
>>>
>>> The Pats have three solid TE and the Jets onlyone (but two really good
>>> WR).
>>>
>>> Our OL is as good or better. Neither D Line, except for Wilfork are
>>> anything to write home about.
>>>
>>> Our RB are better.
>>
>>There RB's are used better and whoever comes in does so with a set and
>>scheme attuned to their abilities etc. I just think they have a better
>>run
>>scheme...and that is probably enhanced because of their passing
>>game...what
>>I like is they set up runs so well that they don't need to "star" RB's.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> IOW, there is no reason for the Pats to dominate the Jets other than
>>> preparation and coaching (and yes prep is part of coaching but not the
>>> only part - just a key one in a playoff game where one mistake can cost
>>> you a game).
>>>
>>> Rex was right when he said it came down to him versus Bellichek.
>>>
>>> He and his staff need to come up with game plans that negate the Brady
>>> advantage and take advantage of our strengths.
>>>
>>> If he really wants to bring a Lombardi to NY (and not just the show),
>>> the road goes through NE.
>>>
>>> And, will a gazillion picks in the draft and so many young players, if
>>> not this year...
>>>
>>> harlan
>>
> The Pats have a better team because of Brady; take him out of the
> equation and they're maybe 8-8. If the Jets can pressure Brady, and
> run the ball and control the clock, they'll win on Sunday. The Giants
> beat the best Pats team ever and they certainly weren't supposed to
> win. And they scored just enough points to pull it out. It wasn't
> classy, but it was effective, and the Giants D kicked the shit out of
> Brady. The Jets need to do the same.
:-) Alas...the Giants had one of the best pass rushing units the game has
ever seen...the Jets have almost NO rush, I wish it weren't so, but it is.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 7:43 pm
From: eric
On Jan 14, 8:54 pm, justin <jus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The Pats have a better team because of Brady; take him out of the
> equation and they're maybe 8-8.
Two years ago the Patriots went 11-5 with a QB that hadn't started
since High School.
> If the Jets can pressure Brady, and
> run the ball and control the clock, they'll win on Sunday. The Giants
> beat the best Pats team ever and they certainly weren't supposed to
> win.
On any given Sunday.
But I don't think this year's Pats are as susceptible to a big rush.
Brady to Moss takes time to develop. Brady to one of 5 choices plus a
good running game is a lot harder to defend.
FWIW Football Outsiders ranks this year's Patriots as a better team
than the 2007 Patriots.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2011/final-2010-dvoa-ratings
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 7:48 pm
From: Grinch
On Jan 14, 3:45 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2:11 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > An unbiased observer, will admit that Revis and Brady are likely two of
> > the best players at their respective positions.
>
> > Welker is amazing but Braylon and Santonio are not slouches either
>
> > The Pats have three solid TE and the Jets onlyone (but two really good
> > WR).
>
> > Our OL is as good or better. Neither D Line, except for Wilfork are
> > anything to write home about.
>
> > Our RB are better.
>
> > IOW, there is no reason for the Pats to dominate the Jets other than
> > preparation and coaching (and yes prep is part of coaching but not the
> > only part - just a key one in a playoff game where one mistake can cost
> > you a game).
>
> > Rex was right when he said it came down to him versus Bellichek.
>
> > He and his staff need to come up with game plans that negate the Brady
> > advantage and take advantage of our strengths.
>
> > If he really wants to bring a Lombardi to NY (and not just the show),
> > the road goes through NE.
>
> > And, will a gazillion picks in the draft and so many young players, if
> > not this year...
>
> > harlan
>
> I mostly agree, perhaps completely.
>
> Gazillion draft picks - who cares.
Everybody chasing Belichick and his gazillion draft picks.
> It's about drafting quality, not
> how many picks you have. What's more the draft is a bit of wild card,
> too many picks don't pan out.
Which is exactly why you want to have a lot of picks -- instead of
packaging them off to trade up to get Lam Jones, Dewayne Robertson, or
the next Gholston. Or to get a free agent you'll lose after one
year.
> Further the draft is just one way to construct a winning team (tho the
> most critical). Gotta be adept in all phases: draft, free agency,
> trades.- Hide quoted text -
You want to be the best at everything, of course.
But free agents are never a bargain, they always cost top dollar.
Draft picks are always a salary cap bargain. The more drafted players
you have the more good players you can have.
Forget the Pats. The Steelers are a good team year in, year out.
When was the last time you remember them going on a big-dollar FA
signing binge? The do it with draft picks and undrafted FAs they
develop themselves.
> - Show quoted text -
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 8:01 pm
From: Grinch
On Jan 14, 8:54 pm, justin <jus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:50:38 -0500, "papa.carl44"
>
>
>
>
>
> <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >"Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> >news:harlan-2EDA21.14112014012011@news60.forteinc.com...
> >> An unbiased observer, will admit that Revis and Brady are likely two of
> >> the best players at their respective positions.
>
> >> Welker is amazing but Braylon and Santonio are not slouches either
>
> >> The Pats have three solid TE and the Jets onlyone (but two really good
> >> WR).
>
> >> Our OL is as good or better. Neither D Line, except for Wilfork are
> >> anything to write home about.
>
> >> Our RB are better.
>
> >There RB's are used better and whoever comes in does so with a set and
> >scheme attuned to their abilities etc. I just think they have a better run
> >scheme...and that is probably enhanced because of their passing game...what
> >I like is they set up runs so well that they don't need to "star" RB's.
>
> >> IOW, there is no reason for the Pats to dominate the Jets other than
> >> preparation and coaching (and yes prep is part of coaching but not the
> >> only part - just a key one in a playoff game where one mistake can cost
> >> you a game).
>
> >> Rex was right when he said it came down to him versus Bellichek.
>
> >> He and his staff need to come up with game plans that negate the Brady
> >> advantage and take advantage of our strengths.
>
> >> If he really wants to bring a Lombardi to NY (and not just the show),
> >> the road goes through NE.
>
> >> And, will a gazillion picks in the draft and so many young players, if
> >> not this year...
>
> >> harlan
>
> The Pats have a better team because of Brady; take him out of the
> equation and they're maybe 8-8.
Vegas had the Pats as a 12-win team with Brady, Brady went down, they
replaced him with a guy who hadn't started a game since *high school*,
and they won 11. Football is a *team* game. The Pats are a *superior
team*.
Can the Jets beat them? Sure. They are .500 against them this year.
But they have to beat the Pats, not Brady. And be happy about that.
If football was just QB v QB it would be Sanchez v Brady and we'd be
dead already.
> If the Jets can pressure Brady, and
> run the ball and control the clock, they'll win on Sunday. The Giants
> beat the best Pats team ever and they certainly weren't supposed to
> win. And they scored just enough points to pull it out. It wasn't
> classy, but it was effective, and the Giants D kicked the shit out of
> Brady. The Jets need to do the same.
The Gints D front 4 beat the hell out of Brady all by themselves while
the other 7 guys dropped back in coverage.
Yes, the Jets need to do the same. If you can figure out how they can
do it with the D-line they've got, instead of the D-line the Gints
had...
Otherwise, it's off to Plan B.
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>
> - Show quoted text -
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 8:41 pm
From: eric
On Jan 14, 11:01 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> The Gints D front 4 beat the hell out of Brady all by themselves while
> the other 7 guys dropped back in coverage.
And even then it took a helmet catch and a dropped INT by Samuels.
> Otherwise, it's off to Plan B.
The Jets need 200+ yards rushing. It could happen, the Pats are very
very thin on the defensive line.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 11:04 pm
From: "JKConey"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-2EDA21.14112014012011@news60.forteinc.com...
> An unbiased observer, will admit that Revis and Brady are likely two of
> the best players at their respective positions.
>
Switch coaches, now which team is favored? Still the Pats. Switch QB's,
now which team is favored? It's all about Brady. He's a 10, Sanchez is a 4.
--
www.myconeyislandmemories.com
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TOPIC: One LaDainian Tomlinson
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 7:22 pm
From: Grinch
On Jan 9, 6:58 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:57114117-1da0-4e5e-900b-6fbe474c5c26@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Cash money baby. Several folks in here said the signing was for
> > publicity. As if winning isn't the best publicity of all.
>
> > Why do some folks in here indulge in fantasy rather than reality? Do
> > you truly believe the Jets acquire/jettison talent simply to sell
> > PSLs, tix, etc? Or are you aware of the proven fact the biggest money
> > winner of them, always, is winning?
>
> > LT has been a cash money winner thus far. Most demonstrably so
> > yesterday. Just look at our future Hall of Famer's stats yesterday .
>
> > And he is ours. He chose us because he knew a winner when he saw one.
> > He chose us because he wants to win a Super Bowl. Just like every
> > Jet.
>
> > Where r are the teams relevant to the LT signing - SD and KC? Gone.
>
> > Certain folks in here, try to indulge in reality rather than fantasy.
> > You're that much interesting when you do.
>
> ___________________________________________________
>
> Really Life...you are smarter than this...I hope. Some people, and perhaps
> rightfully so, said that LT was signed because Woody likes big name players
> around. There are some who were not then happy with letting TJ go...I'm
> one, and I still think he would have been a vital part of the team this
> year. That said, all of us as far as I can recall, who had that opinion
> also were very happy to see LT in his revitalized form. Nobody put him
> down. Your persumed brilliance is all hind sight...and as far as yesterday
> goes, he did what he did because Shonn is there alongside of him to share
> the load, he is NOT an all down back. I would have loved to see a three
> back offense with him and Shonn AND TJ.
Exactly.
TJ is on his downside for sure. Not what he once was. He's also a guy
who on his downside had 1,000+ yards for KC combined rushing and
receiving, as their #2 back. That's not so bad for a #2 back on his
downside.
TJ is still a better inside back than LT, outside back and receiver
than Shonn (who even inside hasn't yet shown himself to be another
Earl Campbell or Jim Brown), all round back than both of them, an
unquestioned asset in the locker room, and did I mention he had 1,000
yards? If we really wanted "ground and pound" those could have been
used to keep ol' LT fresh, and have provided a lot more options to
keep Sanchez from being "forced" to throw -- at least downfield.
Anybody who thinks we should ground-and-pound the Pats this weekend to
keep possession from Brady and set up Sanchez with some passes he can
complete should be wishing that TJ were still here.
>They could have gotten rid of any
> number of possible players to make something like that happen. What you are
> doing is choosing to find an issue, forget all of the things that have been
> said by many posters here throughout the entire season and try and create a
> stir...that is baiting at best. You do post some good stuff so take a look
> at this...it is entirely possible for someone to really analyze backs, and
> like TJ and LT both. As for KC not getting it done...to even think you can
> put that on TJ is nuts.
KC played the easiest schedule in the league -- easiest AFC schedule
plus the gawd awful NFC West inter-conference.
They were barely a .500 strength team, and last weekend got their
clock cleaned by a much better team strictly on the merits.
> And the movement of LT away from SanDiego was part
> of him coming back to life...he played well this year and I hope he has at
> least one more year in him.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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TOPIC: On Sunday
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 8:10 pm
From: Grinch
On Jan 14, 1:05 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Jan 14, 12:52 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 12:49 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 14, 3:56 am, cd <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Win or lose I can live with the Jets running the ball 70% of the
> > > > time. It is the strength of the team, we all knew it and we don't
> > > > understand why the OC doesn't think same. Against NE, it will keep he
> > > > defense fresh and if Brady has few opportunities, he may hold the ball
> > > > longer to get some big plays. Further, I've heard it from multiple
> > > > sources, to move Revis around on every play, even at the last second,
> > > > it can only help.
>
> > > > As an aside, I caught NFL live on ESPN and I saw Mangini and Edwards.
> > > > I can't believe how pedestrian Edwards sounds next to Mangini, as they
> > > > were breaking down the playoffs and how to attack or defend teams.
> > > > WOW!!
>
> > > Agree about running. The Pats DL is in shambles right now, and their
> > > linebackers are banged up (or in Spikes' case, probably rusty). Run
> > > the ball, attacking the edges especially, lots of off tackle, and then
> > > when the Pats begin overcompensating, you use the playaction. Not
> > > deep ball stuff -- when the Pats lock down on the run, they play the
> > > corners off and go single deep safety -- and this secondary can make
> > > plays. Draw the linebackers in with playaction and you'll hit the
> > > intermediate stuff all day long. Also, Keller could have a big game
> > > if the Jets can force Chung into run mode instead of locking him down
> > > on the TE as a SS/nickel corner hybrid.
>
> > > I like the Jets chances in this game, just as long as they can keep
> > > Brady and company from scoring too early. If they have to play catch
> > > up, game over.
>
> > OMG... He's back !!! Where ya been ???
>
> Alien abduction, etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Welcome back! Hope you had a good trip.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 8:49 pm
From: Grinch
On Jan 14, 3:56 am, cd <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Win or lose I can live with the Jets running the ball 70% of the
> time. It is the strength of the team, we all knew it and we don't
> understand why the OC doesn't think same. Against NE, it will keep he
> defense fresh and if Brady has few opportunities, he may hold the ball
> longer to get some big plays. Further, I've heard it from multiple
> sources, to move Revis around on every play, even at the last second,
> it can only help.
>
> As an aside, I caught NFL live on ESPN and I saw Mangini and Edwards.
> I can't believe how pedestrian Edwards sounds next to Mangini, as they
> were breaking down the playoffs and how to attack or defend teams.
> WOW!!
Herm was the last of the incompetent HCs in the NFL, IMHO.
Since the big money came in the owners can't afford incompetent HCs
any more, like in the olden days. The HCs all are *extremely*
competitive now. They are *all* capable. Some are better than others,
but nobody is "bad" except compared to each other. Some are in
situations where they are better or poorer fits, have better or poorer
support, better or poorer owners etc, (think Belichick in Cleveland),
which make fans think they are "bad" when things don't work out. But
they aren't. They are all real experts, the top of the top.
Except Herm. He was a complete fraud, IMHO.
I'd love to know what he used to blackmail the NFL into giving him
*two* HC jobs with what passed for his record.
I'd use it to become a US Senator or something.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 11:37 pm
From: buRford
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:05:23 -0800 (PST), MZ <forums@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>On Jan 14, 12:52�pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Jan 14, 12:49�pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 14, 3:56�am, cd <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > Win or lose I can live with the Jets running the ball 70% of the
>> > > time. �It is the strength of the team, we all knew it and we don't
>> > > understand why the OC doesn't think same. �Against NE, it will keep he
>> > > defense fresh and if Brady has few opportunities, he may hold the ball
>> > > longer to get some big plays. �Further, I've heard it from multiple
>> > > sources, to move Revis around on every play, even at the last second,
>> > > it can only help.
>>
>> > > As an aside, I caught NFL live on ESPN and I saw Mangini and Edwards.
>> > > I can't believe how pedestrian Edwards sounds next to Mangini, as they
>> > > were breaking down the playoffs and how to attack or defend teams.
>> > > WOW!!
>>
>> > Agree about running. �The Pats DL is in shambles right now, and their
>> > linebackers are banged up (or in Spikes' case, probably rusty). �Run
>> > the ball, attacking the edges especially, lots of off tackle, and then
>> > when the Pats begin overcompensating, you use the playaction. �Not
>> > deep ball stuff -- when the Pats lock down on the run, they play the
>> > corners off and go single deep safety -- and this secondary can make
>> > plays. �Draw the linebackers in with playaction and you'll hit the
>> > intermediate stuff all day long. �Also, Keller could have a big game
>> > if the Jets can force Chung into run mode instead of locking him down
>> > on the TE as a SS/nickel corner hybrid.
>>
>> > I like the Jets chances in this game, just as long as they can keep
>> > Brady and company from scoring too early. �If they have to play catch
>> > up, game over.
>>
>> OMG... He's back !!! �Where ya been ???
>
>Alien abduction, etc.
You, too, huh.
Did they take you through a local, or express wormhole?
Man, the traffic in the local one we took.
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TOPIC: OT: A coach actually can leave on good terms (though it's more common
to stay on bad).
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 9:06 pm
From: Grinch
On Jan 14, 9:04 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "cd" <c...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:9ae4b75f-8bfc-4a3b-b714-7f4825d17539@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 14, 12:50 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 12:22 am, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > John Fox goes 2-14 in Carolina, everbody knows he's departing at the
> > > end of the season, during the last few games the fans hang up banners,
> > > "Thank you, John", "Good Luck", the owner has nothing but good things
> > > to say about him, he walks right into a new job with Denver.
>
> > > Wow. The fired coach of a collapsing team can be treated as a human
> > > being, everybody agreeing he did a good job in spite of an awful won-
> > > lost record, it was the situation not him. How often do you see that
> > > with a 2-14 coach?
>
> > > More typical: The Times yesterday had a story on Les Miles who at LSU
> > > in six years is 62-17 with a National Championship -- and how he is
> > > being savaged by fans and boosters for winning *only* that much, has
> > > been publicly criticized for not winning enough by adminstrators in
> > > his own LSU athletic department, and has had to have his chidren get
> > > counseling to deal with the attacks on them for being his kids, and
> > > the attacks on him.
>
> > > Bobby Hebert, the former NFL QB, now a New Orleans sports radio host
> > > and Miles defender, is quoted:" Somebody has got to educate these
> > > fans. They are not always realistic.
>
> > > I'll say.
>
> > > It seems Carolina is a long way from Louisiana.
>
> > I still don't agree with letting McDaniels walk. I thought he was
> > their best chance at getting production out of Tebow. What they
> > should have done is curtailed his responsibilities. Let him just
> > coach, bring in a real GM and front office. I doubt he would have
> > walked.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Fox got lucky getting out of Carolina, and the Panthers will regret
> letting Fox go. I was rooting for Fox to get the Jet HC job, when
> they signed Edwards.
>
> I was rooting for Henning to get that job..and he was already there...so he
> goes with Fox to Carolina and they go to a SB. Herm is running for office
> in a specialty club...the other members are Eric Mangini, Rich Kotite and a
> couple others. Herm is their leader though.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Please don't compare Mangini to Herm and Kotite.
Have a little human compassion, the guy recently lost his job. That's
just cruel. :-(
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TOPIC: Hope for the Jets
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 9:38 pm
From: Grinch
On Jan 14, 12:54 am, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 1:32 am, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 4:12 pm, Copp <cr79...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "In his last six playoff starts, Brady has posted ratings including the
> > > unsightly numbers of 57.6, 79.5, 66.4, 82.5 and 49.1. The only exception
> > > was a firing-range workout against Jacksonville (in 2007) during which
> > > Brady hit the target on 26 of 28 tries for three touchdowns, no picks
> > > and an otherworldly rating of 141.4. Excluding that performance, Brady s
> > > last five postseason games have produced a 2-3 record, eight touchdown
> > > passes, 10 interceptions and a cumulative rating of 66.6, the last a
> > > number that would be highly understandable were we talking about, say,
> > > Mark Sanchez."
>
> > >http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/massarotti/2011/01/do_jets_ju...
>
> > "In his last six playoff starts, Brady has posted ratings including
> > the unsightly numbers ..."
>
> > For his whole career, Brady's playoff numbers are just barely above
> > the average for all playoff QBs. Yet the Patriots' record in those
> > games is 14-4.
>
> > Which could lead one to the conclusion that QBs don't actually win
> > games, *teams* do.
>
> > The reverse of course is Peyton, who four times in the playoffs has
> > put up numbers better than the average winning playoff QB but lost --
> > no other QB in the last 15 years has lost more than one such game.
>
> > But Peyton can't complain entirely. Ironically, during the post-
> > season in which "he" won the Super Bowl, in two playoff games he put
> > up numbers worse than the average losing playoff QB, and in a third
> > game put up below-average numbers -- yet the Colts won all three,
> > obviously. For once in his life his team carried him, all the way to
> > collect his ring.
>
> > And what did everyone say then, after Peyton had put up by far the
> > worst post-season numbers of his career? "Peyton Manning has finally
> > matured to be able to win the big game."
>
> > Here are numbers for playoff QBs for the last 15 years:
>
> >http://community.advancednflstats.com/2010/12/playoff-qbs-who-carry-t...
>
> > The Jets' problem this week isn't Brady, it's the Patriots.
>
> Meh, it's not that QBs are overrated, it's that QB stats are
> overrated.
>
> As most of you probably know, since he entered the league I've been
> watching Brady as closely as anyone. And, in my opinion, one of his
> best playoff games as a pro -- no, one of his best games, period --
> was vs. San Diego in '06. This was probably one of the "bad" ones you
> guys reference, statistically. I don't remember the stats, but I'm
> positive they were bad.
>
> Context, Grinch. Watch this game and it'll blow your entire
> statistics world to smithereens.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, I haven't watched that game recently. But I do remember that
Brady threw his third pick in it when down a TD late in the 4th Q,
horribly right into the arms of the SD safety. Which would have left
the Pats dead and buried -- except the dumbass decided to showboat
with the ball and fumbled it back.
I don't know if that qualifies as the sort of great clutch QB play
that makes up for bad stats, like the prior two picks, but if you
wish.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 15 2011 12:38 am
From: MZ
On Jan 15, 12:38 am, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Jan 14, 12:54 am, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 13, 1:32 am, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 12, 4:12 pm, Copp <cr79...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "In his last six playoff starts, Brady has posted ratings including the
> > > > unsightly numbers of 57.6, 79.5, 66.4, 82.5 and 49.1. The only exception
> > > > was a firing-range workout against Jacksonville (in 2007) during which
> > > > Brady hit the target on 26 of 28 tries for three touchdowns, no picks
> > > > and an otherworldly rating of 141.4. Excluding that performance, Brady s
> > > > last five postseason games have produced a 2-3 record, eight touchdown
> > > > passes, 10 interceptions and a cumulative rating of 66.6, the last a
> > > > number that would be highly understandable were we talking about, say,
> > > > Mark Sanchez."
>
> > > >http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/massarotti/2011/01/do_jets_ju...
>
> > > "In his last six playoff starts, Brady has posted ratings including
> > > the unsightly numbers ..."
>
> > > For his whole career, Brady's playoff numbers are just barely above
> > > the average for all playoff QBs. Yet the Patriots' record in those
> > > games is 14-4.
>
> > > Which could lead one to the conclusion that QBs don't actually win
> > > games, *teams* do.
>
> > > The reverse of course is Peyton, who four times in the playoffs has
> > > put up numbers better than the average winning playoff QB but lost --
> > > no other QB in the last 15 years has lost more than one such game.
>
> > > But Peyton can't complain entirely. Ironically, during the post-
> > > season in which "he" won the Super Bowl, in two playoff games he put
> > > up numbers worse than the average losing playoff QB, and in a third
> > > game put up below-average numbers -- yet the Colts won all three,
> > > obviously. For once in his life his team carried him, all the way to
> > > collect his ring.
>
> > > And what did everyone say then, after Peyton had put up by far the
> > > worst post-season numbers of his career? "Peyton Manning has finally
> > > matured to be able to win the big game."
>
> > > Here are numbers for playoff QBs for the last 15 years:
>
> > >http://community.advancednflstats.com/2010/12/playoff-qbs-who-carry-t...
>
> > > The Jets' problem this week isn't Brady, it's the Patriots.
>
> > Meh, it's not that QBs are overrated, it's that QB stats are
> > overrated.
>
> > As most of you probably know, since he entered the league I've been
> > watching Brady as closely as anyone. And, in my opinion, one of his
> > best playoff games as a pro -- no, one of his best games, period --
> > was vs. San Diego in '06. This was probably one of the "bad" ones you
> > guys reference, statistically. I don't remember the stats, but I'm
> > positive they were bad.
>
> > Context, Grinch. Watch this game and it'll blow your entire
> > statistics world to smithereens.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Well, I haven't watched that game recently. But I do remember that
> Brady threw his third pick in it when down a TD late in the 4th Q,
> horribly right into the arms of the SD safety. Which would have left
> the Pats dead and buried -- except the dumbass decided to showboat
> with the ball and fumbled it back.
>
> I don't know if that qualifies as the sort of great clutch QB play
> that makes up for bad stats, like the prior two picks, but if you
> wish.
It was a game where the Patriots, as a team, were horribly overmatched
and outplayed in every single facet. The running game was
nonexistent, the offensive line couldn't pass protect, and the
receivers played exactly how you'd expect starters Reche Caldwell and
Jabar Gaffney (picked up on the waiver wire weeks before) to play.
Add to that the fact that SD's defense was firing on all cylinders for
most of the game. The only guy who showed up to play was Brady, and
they won solely because of him (and, as you alluded to, Troy Brown's
strip...which was a heady play by Brown as much as it was
"showboating" by the defender). Yup, football's a team sport. But
every now and then there's a game where an individual completely
transcends the rest of the factors that usually influence the
outcome. Brady was that guy that day. There are few other players
that I'd say that about (Ray Lewis probably being the most frequent).
It was one of his best games as a pro. I'm not sure I've seen him
duplicate that performance since, and that includes several 40 and 50
point games from the historic '07 season on.
Here, I'll say this much. If Brady plays like he did that day, and
the rest of the team plays only mediocre, the Pats win the game Sunday
by two scores.
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TOPIC: NFL Weight Limit ???
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 10:08 pm
From: Grinch
On Jan 12, 11:29 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:cbd6286b-8d9b-425f-9b44-307c7b35fb40@fm22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >> I quite agree....kind of scary, but I think you are right.
>
> > Papa, what annoys me is that too many coaches at the hS level would
> > rather have 270 # fattie as opposed to a kid that is 220 # and can
> > move. I can think of a HS down here that every year pre-season you
> > would here about average weight on the OL & then get their ass handed
> > to them by a school with 200 centers & guards because they were better
> > football players.
>
> Yeah...I've seen stuff like that. But I've also seen some situations where
> it is very obvious the HS kids are juicing. Plus, after I left coaching and
> went into behavioral healthcare I worked in an adolescent unit of a psych
> hospital. We had a few of the cases that "went wrong".....some guys can get
> away with using the stuff, others can't and at times those results are
> horrendous. It is a lot easier to get than a lot of folks think it is.
>
> I did see a fantastic HS team this year though...lots of tall and big kids
> and all of them could move. They were just flat out natrual, a few of the
> stereotype "noseguards" short, squat and very tough...but a lot of just
> very well conditioned kids...and in young people you can tell the
> difference, they look their age. These kids won a state championship for
> their coach who was retiring after a career of 40 years at one school. He
> is 79 years old and never had a losing season. I worked for him once, a
> very good man.
I saw some film of Lombardi's Packers recently and thought, couldn't
help myself, "high school team".
Not that they didn't play great -- but, remember, their linemen were
all 240 pounds. The looked like a high school team. And by the
standards of 50 years later, they were really slow too. You get to
watching all the movement in today's game, and you think, "why are
they so slow?"
I'd bet that if a time machine could match them up any good college
team today would crush those Packers. Not even a top college team,
just a competitive one. (I don't want to think about a top high
school team.) I mean literally crush them: 300+ pound linemen with
21st century strength training techniques against 240 lb guys, no
matter how well coached (plus all the 21st century trained backs and
WRs running past them).
One wonders where it will ever end. I mean the limits of physical
possibility. (With and without drugs.)
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TOPIC: Ricky Bobby says all 8 Teams will win.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 10:10 pm
From: "Ravnsfan�����"
"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
news:JNidnaCx6ZBVerLQnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
> "Husky" wrote in message
> news:c9768c06-77cd-4ca3-881d-6a284a8f6a8d@u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
>
> And claims to be a die hard fan of all 8!
>
>
> Bears Steelers Falcons Patriots
>
Hehe, nice try dickless cab driver.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 10:12 pm
From: "Ravnsfan�����"
"Ravnsfan�����" <ravensfan77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:201101150610.UTC.igrdod$12m$1@tioat.net...
>
> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:JNidnaCx6ZBVerLQnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>> "Husky" wrote in message
>> news:c9768c06-77cd-4ca3-881d-6a284a8f6a8d@u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> And claims to be a die hard fan of all 8!
>>
>>
>> Bears Steelers Falcons Patriots
>>
> Hehe, nice try dickless cab driver.
>
>
Dennis, right?
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 10:18 pm
From: "Ravnsfan�����"
"Ravnsfan�����" <ravensfan77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:201101150612.UTC.igrdst$12u$1@tioat.net...
>
>
>
More like Denise!
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TOPIC: What was/is Sanchez's problem ???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ae5e134910d5f050?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 10:57 pm
From: Grinch
On Jan 10, 9:59 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> The Jets were the better team vs.. the Colts in every aspect other
> than QB. IMHO, it looked like Sanchez's poor play cost them about 17
> points.
Yup. He plays an even mediocre first half (instead of passer rating
30) and they have a 10+pt lead going into the second half and are set
up to totally control things.
> With the adjusted Jets defense, they have some sort of a chance
> against NE now ONLY if Sanchez plays a lot better. Is this
> possible ??? What is Sanchez's problem ???
>
> 1. Rusty from not throwing for two weeks ??? (this can be fixed)
> 2. Was overly concerned about throwing a pic ???(this can be fixed)
> 3. Was just too jacked-up and adrenalized ??? (this can be fixed)
> 4. His arm was hurting so he over-compensated ??? (this may not be a
> solvable problem)
> 5. He took a pain shot and that effected his "feel" for the ball ???
> (again... if he is that bad off physically, this may not be solvable)
>
> So... What is it ??? Mental or physical ???
Neither. What makes you think there is anything wrong with Sanchez?
He's just being himself. This year he was third-from bottom in the
NFL competion pct, 54.8% ahead of only Derek Anderson and Clausen,
neither of whom could keep a starting job for the full year. That was
compared to last year's 53.8%.
Completion % is the definition of accuracy in passing. He's the least
accurate QB in the league who played a full season, two years in a
row.
So when the least accurate QB in the league for two years is
inaccurate in a game, you ask "What's wrong with him?"
People can trot out, "dropped passes", "bad weather", "sore arm",
"rusty", "fear of picks", whatever. For one game, two, three, four.
But for two years?
As if no other QB in the league has had dropped passes, bad weather,
physical problems, fear of picks to deal with. Hey, they almost all
have -- yet still have had six completion for every five of his --
that's 20% more. Think of what 20% more pass completions for the
other side means when you are competing to sustain drives, etc.
He is who he is. That's what you saw last week.
Will he get a lot better in the future? Maybe. The notable thing
about him is that he's still had fewer starts both college and pro
than many top QBs get in college alone, He's got some physical
ability and seems smart enough and to have a good attitude. If he
learns with experience he could get a lot better in the future,
maybe. We'll see.
But that future ain't now, yet.
> Also... If he looks that bad early on next week, perhaps put in old
> man Brunell before the game is out of control ???
You won't see Brunell unless the game is already out of control.
They've put all their chips on Sanchez. It's Sanchez or bust.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 11:18 pm
From: Grinch
On Jan 10, 11:10 am, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:e2e9471a-b59f-40ef-8538-0fdfd68d0a49@y31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > The Jets were the better team vs.. the Colts in every aspect other
> > than QB. IMHO, it looked like Sanchez's poor play cost them about 17
> > points.
>
> As I said, they win in spite of him most of the time. He just plain
> stinks right now, and the OC continues to give him too many hard throws.
> When he hits a tough throw late in games the fans seem to think he's great
> in the clutch. Get real... he's not very good right now.
You got it all correct. He's the least accurate QB two years in a
row. When the opposition's QBs hit 6 passes for every 5 your's does
you are at a serious disadvantage, week in, week out.
Then when he occassionally hits a few in a row some people say "wow,
that's how good he *really* is, if he's not that good all the time it
must be somebody else's fault" (and we know who somebody else is).
Does he look sometimes like he *could* be good? Sure.
But I remember when Browning Nagle had Jets fans drooling over how
good he looked like he *could* be. And Clemens after his first
game against the Ravens had people saying "Hey, he really looks like
he *could* be good". The list of could-be-goods is endless.
But that's not being good now.
Trivia fact: Bust that he was, Browning Nagle in his first start for
the Jets threw for 366 yards. In two years of starting Sanchez hasn't
come close to that yet.
> --
>
> www.myconeyislandmemories.com
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 11:32 pm
From: buRford
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:57:15 -0800 (PST), Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On Jan 10, 9:59 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> The Jets were the better team vs.. the Colts in every aspect other
>> than QB. IMHO, it looked like Sanchez's poor play cost them about 17
>> points.
>
>Yup. He plays an even mediocre first half (instead of passer rating
>30) and they have a 10+pt lead going into the second half and are set
>up to totally control things.
>
>
>> With the adjusted Jets defense, they have some sort of a chance
>> against NE now ONLY if Sanchez plays a lot better. Is this
>> possible ??? What is Sanchez's problem ???
>>
>> 1. Rusty from not throwing for two weeks ??? (this can be fixed)
>> 2. Was overly concerned about throwing a pic ???(this can be fixed)
>> 3. Was just too jacked-up and adrenalized ??? (this can be fixed)
>> 4. His arm was hurting so he over-compensated ??? (this may not be a
>> solvable problem)
>> 5. He took a pain shot and that effected his "feel" for the ball ???
>> (again... if he is that bad off physically, this may not be solvable)
>>
>> So... What is it ??? Mental or physical ???
>
>Neither. What makes you think there is anything wrong with Sanchez?
>
>He's just being himself. This year he was third-from bottom in the
>NFL competion pct, 54.8% ahead of only Derek Anderson and Clausen,
>neither of whom could keep a starting job for the full year. That was
>compared to last year's 53.8%.
>
>Completion % is the definition of accuracy in passing. He's the least
>accurate QB in the league who played a full season, two years in a
>row.
>
>So when the least accurate QB in the league for two years is
>inaccurate in a game, you ask "What's wrong with him?"
>
>People can trot out, "dropped passes", "bad weather", "sore arm",
>"rusty", "fear of picks", whatever. For one game, two, three, four.
>But for two years?
>
>As if no other QB in the league has had dropped passes, bad weather,
>physical problems, fear of picks to deal with. Hey, they almost all
>have -- yet still have had six completion for every five of his --
>that's 20% more. Think of what 20% more pass completions for the
>other side means when you are competing to sustain drives, etc.
>
>He is who he is. That's what you saw last week.
>
>Will he get a lot better in the future? Maybe. The notable thing
>about him is that he's still had fewer starts both college and pro
>than many top QBs get in college alone, He's got some physical
>ability and seems smart enough and to have a good attitude. If he
>learns with experience he could get a lot better in the future,
>maybe. We'll see.
>
>But that future ain't now, yet.
>
>> Also... If he looks that bad early on next week, perhaps put in old
>> man Brunell before the game is out of control ???
>
>You won't see Brunell unless the game is already out of control.
>
>They've put all their chips on Sanchez. It's Sanchez or bust.
>
Since ya like stats...
the Jets haven't scored a first-quarter offensive touchdown in their last 13 games.
Amazing isn't it... just how bad Sanchez brings the whole team down.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 11:43 pm
From: Grinch
On Jan 12, 11:22 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Grinch" <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
> news:290df47e-00cd-4955-9951-e18c2d0cf572@f30g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 11, 9:27 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:39:58 -0500, "papa.carl44"
> > <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >"buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> > >news:k0npi6hqcvfg7b5t64h0jadf3pc89sc3f0@4ax.com...
> > >> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:51:19 -0500, "papa.carl44"
> > >> <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >>>"buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> > >>>news:96loi6d2vctlse4g63qu1lt7atvkhbmbp4@4ax.com...
> > >>>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:37:32 -0500, "papa.carl44"
> > >>>> <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>"Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>>news:harlan-4CE9B6.23055010012011@news60.forteinc.com...
> > >>>>>> In article
> > >>>>>> <2eb85743-7bb6-4be7-a986-b6635ef95...@s9g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> > >>>>>> Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>> On Jan 10, 3:37 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >>>>>>> >news:92669e77-a9c1-4eb9-a650-33a28b7e5a89@fo10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > >>>>>>> > On Jan 10, 1:08 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>> > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:59:04 -0800 (PST), Michael
> > >>>>>>> > > <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> > >>>>>>> > > wrote:
> > >>>>>>> > > >The Jets were the better team vs.. the Colts in every aspect
> > >>>>>>> > > >other
> > >>>>>>> > > >than QB. IMHO, it looked like Sanchez's poor play cost them
> > >>>>>>> > > >about
> > >>>>>>> > > >17
> > >>>>>>> > > >points.
>
> > >>>>>>> > > >With the adjusted Jets defense, they have some sort of a
> > >>>>>>> > > >chance
> > >>>>>>> > > >against NE now ONLY if Sanchez plays a lot better. Is this
> > >>>>>>> > > >possible ??? What is Sanchez's problem ???
>
> > >>>>>>> > > >1. Rusty from not throwing for two weeks ??? (this can be
> > >>>>>>> > > >fixed)
> > >>>>>>> > > >2. Was overly concerned about throwing a pic ???(this can be
> > >>>>>>> > > >fixed)
> > >>>>>>> > > >3. Was just too jacked-up and adrenalized ??? (this can be
> > >>>>>>> > > >fixed)
> > >>>>>>> > > >4. His arm was hurting so he over-compensated ??? (this may
> > >>>>>>> > > >not
> > >>>>>>> > > >be
> > >>>>>>> > > >a
> > >>>>>>> > > >solvable problem)
> > >>>>>>> > > >5. He took a pain shot and that effected his "feel" for the
> > >>>>>>> > > >ball
> > >>>>>>> > > >???
> > >>>>>>> > > >(again... if he is that bad off physically, this may not be
> > >>>>>>> > > >solvable)
>
> > >>>>>>> > > >So... What is it ??? Mental or physical ???
>
> > >>>>>>> > > >Also... If he looks that bad early on next week, perhaps put
> > >>>>>>> > > >in
> > >>>>>>> > > >old
> > >>>>>>> > > >man Brunell before the game is out of control ???
>
> > >>>>>>> > > He was 9-11 in the 2nd half.
> > >>>>>>> > > Maybe, it has something to do with the 1st-half offense, being
> > >>>>>>> > > rushed
> > >>>>>>> > > as
> > >>>>>>> > > he was. Not to
> > >>>>>>> > > mention a sore shouolder.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >>>>>>> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >>>>>>> > most of the interceptions he threw over the past two years,
> > >>>>>>> > especially
> > >>>>>>> > last season were bad decisions and not so much bad balls. i was
> > >>>>>>> > thinking since he was throwing nothing but bad balls yesterday
> > >>>>>>> > it
> > >>>>>>> > was
> > >>>>>>> > his shoulder. it looked like he was pushing off and torqueing a
> > >>>>>>> > lot
> > >>>>>>> > more. perhaps because it was painful to throw with his arm and
> > >>>>>>> > shoulder. even the big pass to edwards on the final drive was
> > >>>>>>> > high
>
> > >>>>>>> > And IMHO...your observations would be correct.- Hide quoted
> > >>>>>>> > text -
>
> > >>>>>>> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >>>>>>> i just hope if he is not capable of playing well that the coaches
> > >>>>>>> will
> > >>>>>>> have the stones to put in old man brunell or clemmens. i give the
> > >>>>>>> jets small chance to win with a good sanchez and zero chance with
> > >>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>> bad sanchez
>
> > >>>>>> I won't debate your assessment (nor concede your point). But
> > >>>>>> Brunell
> > >>>>>> or
> > >>>>>> Clemens playing ensures a loss.
>
> > >>>>>> Better to put in Brad Smith and go Wildcat and sprint out passes
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>> entire game.
>
> > >>>>>> h
>
> > >>>>>Yes...go heavy line...motion and tons of power wildcat sweeps and
> > >>>>>sprints
> > >>>>>with some counters, in a super hurry up offense.
>
> > >>>> In a dream world ;)
> > >>>> Every time they do wildcat, the O tends to go into slow motion.
> > >>>> The hurry up aint an option, with how slow they are in getting the
> > >>>> thing
> > >>>> set up ;)
>
> > >>>They did it right against Buffalo a few times, and then changed it and
> > >>>screwed it up, they were even able to change personell against Buffalo
> > >>>and
> > >>>get plays off etc. So, it can be done. I just think it is something
> > >>>that
> > >>>needs to be done in spurts and for a series, not as a one play thing
> > >>>which
> > >>>does take too long for some reason....anyway, let's hope Sanchez has
> > >>>the
> > >>>game of his life and they don't need to do it.
>
> > >> Agreed. The Buffalo game they did it more efficiently, and demonstrated
> > >> they could do it
> > >> right. Unfortunately, in real games Schott can't think on the fly.
>
> > >Someone I know and respect, a serious football person...told me they
> > >should
> > >put the headphones on Brunell and let him do all the talking to
> > >Sanchez...and call the plays.
>
> > That makes very good sense... seriously.
> > I've thought for a while that Sanchez has some issues with Schott... more
> > in-game than
> > off-field.
> > Did you hear that that last pass to Braylon, on Saturday, was Sanchez'
> > call?
> > According to Rex, Sanchez told Schott that Braylon was open, and he wanted
> > to pass it...
> > and Schott said something like, *go do what you want.*
>
> So what's the argument here?
>
> That Schott *doesn't* listen to the kid, when on arguably the key play
> of the entire season so far he tells the kid to run the play he wants?
>
> Schott shouldn't have taken the kid's input? Listening to his players
> like that is supposed to be a failing now? :-)
>
> Rex clearly didn't tell the story as any criticism of Schott, so what
> do you know about the exchange that Rex doesn't understand?
>
> Or maybe you're thinking it was a fight-with-the-wife kind of do what
> you want ... "I'm sick and tired of calling plays for you, call your
> own plays, go do what you want!". Nah, I don't think that's
> likely. :-)
>
> I swear, some of you are so addicted to bashing Schott you can't help
> yourselves whatever he does.
>
> Big game ... critical play ... huge success! ... Sanchez said what he
> wanted to do, Schott took his input and said, Go do it, kid! ... Wins
> Game!!
>
> God damn Schott screwed up again, how can he be so hapless??. :-)
---
> Grinch...you are WAY smarter than this.
Aw, we were agreeing on so much for so long there, it had to end.
I 'm pretty sure I'm not smarter than that.
And Burf is on my side on this. :-)
> You can read inference and actually
> it takes some work to go the legnths to interpret it all the way you just
> did. Clearly, the reference was to the fact that at a critical time not
> only did the QB see what needed to be done, but the guy on TV did and then
> the Head Coach seemed to say how cool it was that the kid made the decision.
Good. I say that's cool too.
> When....a play earlier the OC wanted to go a very different
> direction...apparently...ALL of this is guessing and conjecture.
OK, on a different down the OC wanted something very different ...
apparently ... by guessing and conjecture.
Which means maybe not.
I thought somebody was drawing some conclusion from the above, maybe
about the OC, but I had to be wrong -- because who would judge the job
a person is doing on the basis of all guessing and conjecture maybe/
maybe not?
See how smart I'm not! I've got to apologize.
>My thoughts are only that when the QB gets a shot at some of the things he is
> most comfortable with he seems to do so much better.
We're agreeing again. Watch out...
> And on top of that,
> other players have voiced concerns about the OC not listening to
> them...Mangold for example.
Well, a lot of famous coaches have been known for imposing play
calling on their QBs that the QBs didn't like, thinking egotistically
that they, the coaches, actually knew best. Paul Brown, Tom Landry...
> No big deal..no blaming Schott...just an
> observation that the QB, who routinely gets hammered for poor decisions
> apparently made a very good one in this instance and saw some things others
> did not.
But as Schott listened to the kid and went with the play the kid
wanted -- and an aggressive play in a critical situation it was, too
-- we can safely say he is no Paul Brown or Tom Landry.
Whether that is good or bad I don't know, I'm confused now. You guys
will have to straighten that out for yourselves.
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TOPIC: Welker gets in on the fun
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 11:42 pm
From: buRford
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:50:48 -0800 (PST), Ritchie <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 14, 10:26�am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ritchie, the Jets may lose, but they're a good team.
>> The question is more about the coaching.
>> Remember the last game, Rex imploded at the outset with that challenge, then going for it.
>> If you see the players looking kinda relaxed, or loose before the game, it should be a
>> great game.-
>
>I agree with you 100%, they are a good team but the coaching is the
>question mark. This Jet team won 11 games with very questionable
>offense and defensive play calling. Imagine how many they could have
>won with a good head coach and coaching staff. They are not the same
>old jets, they are different. I just don't like what they have become
>off the field, big mouths with absolutely nothing to talk or thump
>their chests about.
My only disagreement with you, is that I think Rex did an amazing job with our D,
considering all the holes we have. Outside of a couple of games, they kept us in games.
That's with little pressure on the QB, suspect coverage by the safeties (even with
Leonhard), etc.
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TOPIC: Rex Fand And Critics... Get Ready
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 11:50 pm
From: buRford
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:43:22 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Jan 14, 11:33 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:37:46 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >By ALL accounts, this Patriot offense is the most potent, unstoppable
>> >unit that has ever been seen. Devised and run by a HOF coach with
>> >football brainpower that has never been seen, nor will ever be
>> >duplicated. And... It is manned by a QB who has been said to trump
>> >Montana, Elway and Marino. He's also by they way, playing the best
>> >football of his career.
>>
>> >Now... We've got Rex and his defense. Rex has proclaimed it is him vs
>> >BB. He's working with everything he's got to come up with a game
>> >plan. Many commentators, including some fans in this very group are
>> >now calling Rex a blow-hard and a buffoon.
>>
>> >Well... Since Rex is going up against what the experts are calling the
>> >best offense, the best coach and the best QB ever...
>>
>> >We'll all get to see now what Rex is and what he is not. Nothing
>> >short of the best defensive mind in history could defeat this world
>> >beating offfense.
>>
>> >Lets see if Rex has the head for it.
>>
>> Thing is, when ya have an opponent with a good O, stopping them is only partially on the
>> D. A big part of it, is keeping them off the field. Hence, whereas so many keep talking
>> about our D, I think the key is the effectiveness of our O.
>> You saw the problem last week. The D held the Colts scoreless in the first quarter, but
>> the O was ineffective. Put us in a hole, which we only got out of, when the O started
>> forcing their will, and limiting Manning's touches. You saw Manning get frustrated, which
>> also helps when he's on the field, since he was less patient n the 4th quarter.
>>
>> The Jets D needs to show the Pats O early, that they came to play. Few teams presented
>> any challenge to the Pats. So, to me, that is Rex's big challenge. Making things a bit
>> uncomfortable for the Pats O, and making them respond to a challenge... for once.- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
>imho, making the pats offense uncomfortable does not mean wholesale
>blitzing. nor does it mean a passive max coverage approach. it means
>being a different defense on each and every series. that is how you
>mess them up.
To me, it's all about putting colored contact lenses in, with a blond wig, and falsies.
Ya gotta make Brady think for a for seconds longer, who you are & what you're doing ;)
I love watching the Pats offense, BUT, there's a lot of hubris/arrogance there... lots.
And that's one of the things that Rex is playing with, with his silly rants.
If Rex can disguise his play calls, & not show his hand too quickly, lots of frustration
will set in, on the guys who haven't been challenged.
Just like the Media thinks the Pats are the most incredible O, ever created... the Pats
believe it too.
We'll see ;)
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 11:55 pm
From: buRford
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:24:51 -0500, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
>In article <t5u0j691m9suuc415back2auq2barnardg@4ax.com>,
> buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:37:46 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >By ALL accounts, this Patriot offense is the most potent, unstoppable
>> >unit that has ever been seen. Devised and run by a HOF coach with
>> >football brainpower that has never been seen, nor will ever be
>> >duplicated. And... It is manned by a QB who has been said to trump
>> >Montana, Elway and Marino. He's also by they way, playing the best
>> >football of his career.
>> >
>> >Now... We've got Rex and his defense. Rex has proclaimed it is him vs
>> >BB. He's working with everything he's got to come up with a game
>> >plan. Many commentators, including some fans in this very group are
>> >now calling Rex a blow-hard and a buffoon.
>> >
>> >Well... Since Rex is going up against what the experts are calling the
>> >best offense, the best coach and the best QB ever...
>> >
>> >We'll all get to see now what Rex is and what he is not. Nothing
>> >short of the best defensive mind in history could defeat this world
>> >beating offfense.
>> >
>> >Lets see if Rex has the head for it.
>>
>> Thing is, when ya have an opponent with a good O, stopping them is only
>> partially on the
>> D. A big part of it, is keeping them off the field. Hence, whereas so many
>> keep talking
>> about our D, I think the key is the effectiveness of our O.
>> You saw the problem last week. The D held the Colts scoreless in the first
>> quarter, but
>> the O was ineffective. Put us in a hole, which we only got out of, when the
>> O started
>> forcing their will, and limiting Manning's touches. You saw Manning get
>> frustrated, which
>> also helps when he's on the field, since he was less patient n the 4th
>> quarter.
>>
>> The Jets D needs to show the Pats O early, that they came to play. Few teams
>> presented
>> any challenge to the Pats. So, to me, that is Rex's big challenge. Making
>> things a bit
>> uncomfortable for the Pats O, and making them respond to a challenge... for
>> once.
>
>And while I am not holding my breath, getting two or more turnovers and
>making none would help too.
>
>I don't think we can win without winning the turn over battle.
>
>With so few NE turnovers, that might be the only thing that could rattle
>them.
>
That's one reason I don't see the Pats being champs this season.
Brady is due, as are some other players.
The question is whether the Jets D, forces the turnovers... or if their other opponents
do, in subsequent weeks ;)
I'm just not ready for the season to end... so, watch for a Brady performance like in game
one with us ;)
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TOPIC: Reggie Jackson to Jets: "Shut up and play"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 14 2011 11:57 pm
From: buRford
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:30:19 -0800 (PST), Beiselbub� <yank_ees_suck@yahoo.com> wrote:
>You know it's bad when a guy like Reggie Jackson--a NY sports legend
>and prolific trash talker in his own right--is embarrassed for the
>Jets. "Shut up, play football. What are you talking about Bill
>Belichick and these people for?" That's his embarrassment talking.
>Jackson is right, too. I said it too, before the last game: "if the
>Jets are confident, they would just shut up and play." All that smack
>was a sign that they lacked confidence, and it showed on game day.
>
>Ryan said: "I know they say we are a great team and I see the
>sarcasm. Well, they are going to find out if we are a great team or
>not, I can tell you that much."
>
>What did they learn? Patriots 45, Jets 3. Greatness was confirmed,
>alright, the other team's. Ryan was speechless after the game. They
>found out as Ryan said, "I can tell you that much."
>
>And as if the point needed further reinforcement, Braylon Edwards had
>this to say after the game: �They embarrassed us on purpose. I don�t
>want to say that they ran it up, but at the end of the day, they ran
>it up.� How cold hearted of them, not showing a great Jets team the
>*pity* they so richly deserved.
>
>So, here we are, roughly a month later, and the Jets have been back at
>it. The quest for greatness continues. Cromartie called Brady an
>asshole, like any great team would. Rex questions Brady's work ethic,
>said he's tired of his "antics" (that's rich). Not satisfied that he
>has both feet in his mouth, he takes on Belichick too. "It's
>personal," he tells us, applying the "its personal" template he used
>with Peyton and the Colts that he believed led to victory the week
>earlier.
>
>Ryan claimed they were going to /find out/ if they are a great team or
>not. I question if that was possible--learning that is. Learning isn't
>ignoring everything that fails to confirm what you already believe.
>
>As Santayana said, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to
>repeat it.
>
>Well, history is upon us, once again.
>
>Pats 14-Jets 23.
Actually, Reggie's just senile.
He forgets the mouth he had, when he was a player.
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TOPIC: The Football Scientist... tellin' it like it is...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 15 2011 12:03 am
From: buRford
Football Scientist: Targeting Arrington and Butler key for Jets
January, 14, 2011
Jan 14
2:39
PM ET
By KC Joyner
One constant throughout the 2010 Jets season has been their inability to efficiently
target their opponents' defensive coverage weaknesses. Two of the most notable instances
came when they did not go after Ravens cornerback Fabian Washington in Week 1 and when
they let the entire Bengals secondary off the hook in Week 12.
For all of the grief Brian Schottenheimer, Mark Sanchez and company got during the season,
they can erase all of those negative thoughts this weekend by successfully targeting the
two big weaknesses in the Patriots secondary: Kyle Arrington and Darius Butler.
Arrington has started 14 games this year, but has been sharing playing time with Butler of
late, in part due to a recurring elbow injury and illness.
Those ailments might explain why Arrington allowed 446 yards on 48 targets from Weeks
10-17 (a 9.3 YPA) but it doesn't seem sufficient to explain his first-half-of-the-season
struggles. In Weeks 1-9, Arrington gave up 173 yards on 18 targets, which equates to a 9.6
YPA that is comparable to his second-half YPA. Any time a cornerback is in the nine-yard
YPA range, it's a strong indication he is a coverage liability, and Arrington has been at
that level all season long.
The news for New England does get a bit better in the case of Butler, but not by a ton.
From Weeks 1-9, only four of the 23 passes directed his way didn't end up as a completion
or a defensive penalty. He has done much better than that of late, with only 12 of 24
targets ending up as a completion/defensive penalty from Weeks 10-17 -- but that was
offset by a terrible Week 17 showing against Miami (10 targets, 112 yards allowed, 11.2
YPA).
The Jets will almost certainly try to do all they can gameplan-wise to keep this a
low-scoring game, since trying to win a shootout against Tom Brady is not a good idea.
Having said that, they are going to need to hit on a few big plays, even in a grind-it-out
scenario, and the combination of Arrington and Butler should give them the personnel
advantage they need to do just that.
That is, as long as Schottenheimer and company are willing to go for the home run ball.
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