Tuesday, January 18, 2011

rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* First details of tomorrow's SI article - 8 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/23bfe82e2c19b5b8?hl=en
* Some very cool bikes - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e6870a8b784ca945?hl=en
* Big News ! Floyd is finished ! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2817acb16bd76398?hl=en
* Is Fabio Really Being Paid $$ For This - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c7e0d2f9325f0d22?hl=en
* Jobst - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a39bb102c1cfaa39?hl=en
* After the Super Bowl - Lance to do OJ style low speed chase on national tv -
3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9ce307b04c754d7b?hl=en
* Armstrong hush mone... er uh salary to Don Catlin? How much? - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9b82b84e23df2c25?hl=en
* You pompous, stuck-up, snot-nosed, giant twerp, scumbag, fuck-face, dickhead,
asshole, - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1e051c156579b5bc?hl=en
* The cocksucker Armstrong lied again - over and over - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/98f353187496aac1?hl=en
* Worst Spokespersons EVER !!!! Woods and Armstrong - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a4851d935017fefe?hl=en
* Lance Advises Floyd - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/586a1b724a7ef918?hl=en

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TOPIC: First details of tomorrow's SI article
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/23bfe82e2c19b5b8?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 3:27 pm
From: raamman


On Jan 18, 5:39 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 1/18/2011 5:10 PM, A. Dumas wrote:>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/01/18/lance.armstrong/
> > - HemAssist access
> > - Private plane customs check
> > - Ferrari links at Popovych raid
> > - Catlin cover-up of testosterone/epitest. ratio
> > - Swart story
>
> > Also,
> >http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7142/Lance-Armstrongs-legal-team-so...
>
> "I rode with the strength of two men today," he proclaimed.
>
> Read more:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/01/18/lance.armstrong/inde...

he was with motorola then, so isn't that beyond the bounds of the
investigation ?


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 4:30 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jan 18, 3:10 pm, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/01/18/lance.armstrong/
> - HemAssist access
> - Private plane customs check
> - Ferrari links at Popovych raid
> - Catlin cover-up of testosterone/epitest. ratio
> - Swart story
>
> Also,http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7142/Lance-Armstrongs-legal-team-so...

I don't doubt that all of it is true. That said, I still didn't see
anything that I think LA and his legal team won't be able to squash,
counter with contradictory testimony, or simply deny. Oh, and great
job by the Feds of playing their cards close to their chest, bravo.

It should also be interesting to see what SI says when Contador is
cleared by the Spaniards in the next few weeks.

Brad Anders


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 4:52 pm
From: BLafferty


On 1/18/2011 6:27 PM, raamman wrote:
> On Jan 18, 5:39 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 1/18/2011 5:10 PM, A. Dumas wrote:>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/01/18/lance.armstrong/
>>> - HemAssist access
>>> - Private plane customs check
>>> - Ferrari links at Popovych raid
>>> - Catlin cover-up of testosterone/epitest. ratio
>>> - Swart story
>>
>>> Also,
>>> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7142/Lance-Armstrongs-legal-team-so...
>>
>> "I rode with the strength of two men today," he proclaimed.
>>
>> Read more:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/01/18/lance.armstrong/inde...
>
> he was with motorola then, so isn't that beyond the bounds of the
> investigation ?
It shows a pattern of lying that will not help Uniballer credibility at
a trial under cross examination.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 5:48 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote in message
news:4d360fc1$0$81476$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/01/18/lance.armstrong/
> - HemAssist access
> - Private plane customs check
> - Ferrari links at Popovych raid
> - Catlin cover-up of testosterone/epitest. ratio
> - Swart story
>
> Also,
> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7142/Lance-Armstrongs-legal-team-sought-ammunition-against-Novitzky-from-Victor-Conte.aspx

Sure took a long time to get to the good stuff!

It will be interesting to read the article and find out how much they have
to back up the various stories. For example, the customs check. Did they run
down the customs agents, or is it going to stand on Floyd's comments? If the
latter, that kinda sinks most of the article for me.

The most-damning stuff comes from the allegations regarding the USOC looking
the other way. Yet even that is suspect. They have "someone" who "knows"
that the secret code from a sample was Lance's. Maybe he does, maybe he
doesn't. Enough to slander but not convict. A recurring theme.

And Stephen Swart's accusations about Lance pushing the Motorola team to EPO
use. Just Mr. Swart or did they find others to corroborate?

There is a HUGE difference between getting three people to corroborate one
accusation vs three accusations claimed by one person each. But right now
we're just seeing a summary. Perhaps SI really has the goods? Turn the page!

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 6:17 pm
From: BLafferty


On 1/18/2011 8:48 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4d360fc1$0$81476$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/01/18/lance.armstrong/
>> - HemAssist access
>> - Private plane customs check
>> - Ferrari links at Popovych raid
>> - Catlin cover-up of testosterone/epitest. ratio
>> - Swart story
>>
>> Also,
>> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7142/Lance-Armstrongs-legal-team-sought-ammunition-against-Novitzky-from-Victor-Conte.aspx
>>
>
> Sure took a long time to get to the good stuff!
>
> It will be interesting to read the article and find out how much they
> have to back up the various stories. For example, the customs check. Did
> they run down the customs agents, or is it going to stand on Floyd's
> comments? If the latter, that kinda sinks most of the article for me.
>
> The most-damning stuff comes from the allegations regarding the USOC
> looking the other way. Yet even that is suspect. They have "someone" who
> "knows" that the secret code from a sample was Lance's. Maybe he does,
> maybe he doesn't. Enough to slander but not convict. A recurring theme.
>
> And Stephen Swart's accusations about Lance pushing the Motorola team to
> EPO use. Just Mr. Swart or did they find others to corroborate?
>
> There is a HUGE difference between getting three people to corroborate
> one accusation vs three accusations claimed by one person each. But
> right now we're just seeing a summary. Perhaps SI really has the goods?
> Turn the page!
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
There is discussion over on the CyclingNews forum that the article has
had some of the most damaging information pulled, supposedly because of
threats from Armstrong's counsel. I tend to doubt that as a reason.
More likely is that they have been asked not to print some things
because it might compromise part of the ongoing investigation.


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 6:32 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jan 18, 7:17 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> There is discussion over on the CyclingNews forum that the article has
> had some of the most damaging information pulled, supposedly because of
> threats from Armstrong's counsel.  I tend to doubt that as a reason.
> More likely is that they have been asked not to print some things
> because it might compromise part of the ongoing investigation

... as opposed to the many other details they leaked/released, which,
by your logic, won't compromise part of the ongoing investigation.
Makes sense to me.


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 6:45 pm
From: dave a


On 1/18/2011 6:17 PM, BLafferty wrote:
> On 1/18/2011 8:48 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:4d360fc1$0$81476$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/01/18/lance.armstrong/
>>> - HemAssist access
>>> - Private plane customs check
>>> - Ferrari links at Popovych raid
>>> - Catlin cover-up of testosterone/epitest. ratio
>>> - Swart story
>>>
>>> Also,
>>> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7142/Lance-Armstrongs-legal-team-sought-ammunition-against-Novitzky-from-Victor-Conte.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sure took a long time to get to the good stuff!
>>
>> It will be interesting to read the article and find out how much they
>> have to back up the various stories. For example, the customs check. Did
>> they run down the customs agents, or is it going to stand on Floyd's
>> comments? If the latter, that kinda sinks most of the article for me.
>>
>> The most-damning stuff comes from the allegations regarding the USOC
>> looking the other way. Yet even that is suspect. They have "someone" who
>> "knows" that the secret code from a sample was Lance's. Maybe he does,
>> maybe he doesn't. Enough to slander but not convict. A recurring theme.
>>
>> And Stephen Swart's accusations about Lance pushing the Motorola team to
>> EPO use. Just Mr. Swart or did they find others to corroborate?
>>
>> There is a HUGE difference between getting three people to corroborate
>> one accusation vs three accusations claimed by one person each. But
>> right now we're just seeing a summary. Perhaps SI really has the goods?
>> Turn the page!
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
> There is discussion over on the CyclingNews forum that the article has
> had some of the most damaging information pulled, supposedly because of
> threats from Armstrong's counsel. I tend to doubt that as a reason. More
> likely is that they have been asked not to print some things because it
> might compromise part of the ongoing investigation.

What utter bullshit! They most likely pulled it (if that really did
happen) because they had no evidence to support any of the claims.
Print media news is all about scoops and SI isn't going to do anyone any
favors, including the feds, if they have the goods.

- dave a

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 7:29 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


>> There is discussion over on the CyclingNews forum that the article has
>> had some of the most damaging information pulled, supposedly because of
>> threats from Armstrong's counsel. I tend to doubt that as a reason. More
>> likely is that they have been asked not to print some things because it
>> might compromise part of the ongoing investigation.
>
> What utter bullshit! They most likely pulled it (if that really did
> happen) because they had no evidence to support any of the claims. Print
> media news is all about scoops and SI isn't going to do anyone any favors,
> including the feds, if they have the goods.
>
> - dave a


I wouldn't be so sure of the sanctity of print media. If you're SI, you're
going to treat the Feds just like any other source for which you're going to
have a continuing relationship. Preserve that relationship, if at all
possible. With the Lance camp, that doesn't really factor in; the
publication that can claim bragging rights to bringing down his house wins
such a huge prize that relationship maintenance is irrelevant. Lawsuits,
however, are not.

Maybe there's more, or maybe this is everything they've got so far. We'll at
least know a little more tomorrow.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"dave a" <blkcatREMOVETHIS@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ih5j8f0dk3@news3.newsguy.com...
> On 1/18/2011 6:17 PM, BLafferty wrote:
>> On 1/18/2011 8:48 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:4d360fc1$0$81476$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>>>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/01/18/lance.armstrong/
>>>> - HemAssist access
>>>> - Private plane customs check
>>>> - Ferrari links at Popovych raid
>>>> - Catlin cover-up of testosterone/epitest. ratio
>>>> - Swart story
>>>>
>>>> Also,
>>>> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7142/Lance-Armstrongs-legal-team-sought-ammunition-against-Novitzky-from-Victor-Conte.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure took a long time to get to the good stuff!
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to read the article and find out how much they
>>> have to back up the various stories. For example, the customs check. Did
>>> they run down the customs agents, or is it going to stand on Floyd's
>>> comments? If the latter, that kinda sinks most of the article for me.
>>>
>>> The most-damning stuff comes from the allegations regarding the USOC
>>> looking the other way. Yet even that is suspect. They have "someone" who
>>> "knows" that the secret code from a sample was Lance's. Maybe he does,
>>> maybe he doesn't. Enough to slander but not convict. A recurring theme.
>>>
>>> And Stephen Swart's accusations about Lance pushing the Motorola team to
>>> EPO use. Just Mr. Swart or did they find others to corroborate?
>>>
>>> There is a HUGE difference between getting three people to corroborate
>>> one accusation vs three accusations claimed by one person each. But
>>> right now we're just seeing a summary. Perhaps SI really has the goods?
>>> Turn the page!
>>>
>>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>> www.ChainReaction.com
>>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>> There is discussion over on the CyclingNews forum that the article has
>> had some of the most damaging information pulled, supposedly because of
>> threats from Armstrong's counsel. I tend to doubt that as a reason. More
>> likely is that they have been asked not to print some things because it
>> might compromise part of the ongoing investigation.
>
> What utter bullshit! They most likely pulled it (if that really did
> happen) because they had no evidence to support any of the claims. Print
> media news is all about scoops and SI isn't going to do anyone any favors,
> including the feds, if they have the goods.
>
> - dave a
>


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TOPIC: Some very cool bikes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e6870a8b784ca945?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 4:21 pm
From: Carl Sundquist


On Jan 18, 10:09 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 8:26 am, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Then there is the Yamaguchi bike Mike McCarthy used to win the 1992
> > pro pursuit
>
> >http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/22...
>
> That link didn't work for me.  But this bike is truly weird and
> wonderful.http://www.flickr.com/photos/dancingweaponofmassdestruction/5276709260/
> I love that upper bottle cage carrying the flask.  And the seat post
> with the bent seat stem?  Very odd.
>
> That's either a very safe bike or a very dangerous one.  Either it
> would stop traffic so you could ride unimpeded, or people would run
> you over trying to get a better look.  I'm guessing the latter.
>
> R

Yeah, I thought that was a really long link and I was in a rush.

Try this http://takeoverla.blogspot.com/2009/11/mike-mccarthys-yamaguchi.html


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 4:53 pm
From: Carl Sundquist


On Jan 18, 10:09 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 8:26 am, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Then there is the Yamaguchi bike Mike McCarthy used to win the 1992
> > pro pursuit
>
> >http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/22...
>
> That link didn't work for me.  But this bike is truly weird and
> wonderful.http://www.flickr.com/photos/dancingweaponofmassdestruction/5276709260/
> I love that upper bottle cage carrying the flask.  And the seat post
> with the bent seat stem?  Very odd.
>
> That's either a very safe bike or a very dangerous one.  Either it
> would stop traffic so you could ride unimpeded, or people would run
> you over trying to get a better look.  I'm guessing the latter.
>
> R

The seatpost is a standard item from Thomson:
http://www.cambriabike.com/Images/product/thompson_setback_seatpost_g.jpg

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TOPIC: Big News ! Floyd is finished !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2817acb16bd76398?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 4:28 pm
From: "rick-paulos@uiowa.edu"


http://www.zazzle.com/i_believe_floyd_tshirt-235689778239640685

still available. and in pink if you want.

promise, not 1 cent goes to floyd.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 7:34 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <38627d0c-69b0-4a9f-b3cf-56c1985007fe@y31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 17, 11:20 pm, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > well, to bonnie ford I guess it's news- he was history about 15 years
> > ago ( which is why Kloden still rides for Lances team and Floyd is
> > filing a job application form at Lowes)
>
> ""I'm relatively sure this sport cannot be fixed, but that's not my
> job, that's not my fight," Landis said."
>
> Coming from a guy who started the most recent fight, these words sound
> like the admission that his efforts are for naught. He's giving up
> the fight, and the only reason I can see that is he knows the fight is
> lost and he expects minimal, if any, monetary gain from continuing.
>
> So, wonder what Lafferty will have to say re: Floyd's words?

Time will tell...

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TOPIC: Is Fabio Really Being Paid $$ For This
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c7e0d2f9325f0d22?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 6:21 pm
From: BLafferty


Armstrong's spokesman Mark Fabiani would only respond by telling
Cyclingnews, "The story is filled with old news, recycling the same old
tired lies from the same old tired liars".

Note to Fabio and legal team: The Popovych search info is new. It
would help his client not look increasingly like a lying fool, if Fabio
actually read the news before commenting.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 8:43 pm
From: Anton Berlin


I like Lance having this incredibly incompetent counsel.

Money doesn't buy justice - it buys a soundboard in this case

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TOPIC: Jobst
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a39bb102c1cfaa39?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 7:30 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"H. Fred Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
news:YOURhoward-191B65.20421117012011@news.giganews.com...
> In article
> <a739295f-7b28-4734-a014-d93869f74440@f21g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
> Brad Anders <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't have posted anything about his condition if it wasn't for
>> the fact that Jobst has been on these n.g.'s since they began in the
>> '80's, and he's kind of a fixture in the SF Bay Area cycling
>> community. I know there are a lot of people here who know him
>> personally or have interacted with him, positively or negatively.
>> Regardless, I think all of us would love to be as active as he is at
>> 75+ and when something like this happens, I think we'd all like to see
>> it turn out with him doing well and getting back on the bike.
>
> I'd go a little further, Brad. Jobst is still pretty much an icon in the
> Bay Area
> cycling community. Whatever "new" ride you may think you've come up with -
> Jobst did
> it years ago.

Jobst rides were legendary. Us young punk juniors would do what we could to
trash him in the mountains, but at the end of a 110-mile ride (which
typically included a fair amount of dirt), we'd be doing everything we could
to just hang on his wheel as he motored down Foothill towards Palo Alto.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


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TOPIC: After the Super Bowl - Lance to do OJ style low speed chase on national
tv
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9ce307b04c754d7b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 8:30 pm
From: Anton Berlin


That is unless he's still getting drugs and advice from Ferrari.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 9:01 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Jan 18, 10:30 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> That is unless he's still getting drugs and advice from Ferrari.

Who will be his A C Cowlings?


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 9:04 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jan 18, 11:01 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 10:30 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > That is unless he's still getting drugs and advice from Ferrari.
>
> Who will be his A C Cowlings?

Good question but from the looks of things he may be out of friends.
Money only goes so far

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TOPIC: Armstrong hush mone... er uh salary to Don Catlin? How much?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9b82b84e23df2c25?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 8:35 pm
From: Anton Berlin


How much money did Armstrong use to buy Catlin's allegiance?

Looks like the news got it wrong again.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2008/09/24/2008-09-24_lance_armstrong_says_hell_lead_antidopin.html

Armstrong will pay Catlin for the work, but dismissed the concerns of
"conspiracy theorists" who see a conflict of interest in that.

"There's not enough money anywhere to potentially buy out Don Catlin,"
said Armstrong. "For the conspiracy theorists out there that might
think that, I would refer them to Don Catlin."

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TOPIC: You pompous, stuck-up, snot-nosed, giant twerp, scumbag, fuck-face,
dickhead, asshole,
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1e051c156579b5bc?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 8:39 pm
From: Anton Berlin


lying cuntlick uniball son of a bitch.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 9:39 pm
From: Fred


On Jan 18, 9:39 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> lying cuntlick uniball son of a bitch.

Seriously, seek help. You're sounding more and more each day like
that nut job Loughner.

Fred

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TOPIC: The cocksucker Armstrong lied again - over and over
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/98f353187496aac1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 8:46 pm
From: Anton Berlin


A story in Sports Illustrated challenges Lance Armstrong's statements
that he cut ties to a controversial Italian doctor and training
adviser who has long been accused of helping cyclists cheat.

In a report posted Tuesday on its website, the magazine previewed a
longer investigative piece that will appear in this week's issue,
available Wednesday.

Without naming its source, SI says that when Italian authorities
raided the home of Armstrong teammate Yaroslav Popovych last November
in Italy, they found texts and e-mails linking the Radio Shack team
with Dr. Michele Ferrari as recently as 2009.

Armstrong severed his connection with Ferrari in 2004, amid
accusations the doctor aided another rider in using performance-
enhancing drugs. Ferrari was convicted and then later cleared of
criminal charges on appeal.


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TOPIC: Worst Spokespersons EVER !!!! Woods and Armstrong
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a4851d935017fefe?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 8:52 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Unless you're selling condoms or Epogen

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/study-tiger-woods-lance-armstrong-71489

PS - I didn't know you could buy it Pet-Meds

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=10227&cmpid=05csegb&ref=3312&subref=AA&CAWELAID=552563590

God damn your cat can climb trees fast !


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 9:00 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jan 18, 11:52 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Unless you're selling condoms or Epogen
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/study-tiger-woods-lance-armstro...

I don't believe that article - I'm easily vowed.

R

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 9:03 pm
From: Anton Berlin


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Just as we thought.

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Today's topics:

* Greene's TD - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3706c5492ce71094?hl=en
* All You Fag Republican Chicken Hawks - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/02b6a57a2a1339c3?hl=en
* Byrd is the Word - #90 to be honorary Captain for coin toss on Sunday - 3
messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/00ff15f337cb19e2?hl=en
* Slauson on 1050 ESPN today @ 10:30 am - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/cfd6db2d163d98db?hl=en
* A weepy Tommy boy - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d255742f7b970ab8?hl=en
* Are the NE Patriots the new chokers of the NFL? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b66774fffc10b56e?hl=en
* Sanchez's best game ever - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3ceb422443e23e98?hl=en
* The Meaning Of "Fuck Tom Brady," And The Genius Of Rex Ryan's Trash-Talking -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/64c67b1ab9d6fd55?hl=en
* I'm Moe Greene! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7b77bb67bc102f3f?hl=en
* "You Won The Battle Tonight ... - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Greene's TD
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3706c5492ce71094?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 12:37 pm
From: Keith Keller


On 2011-01-18, papa.carl44 <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> "MZ" <forums@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote in message
> news:5084c508-3a7d-48ae-8969-cd9f7231dc5a@q8g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
>> I don't think that was BB's plan either. Because BB didn't know in
>> advance that Greene would forget to kneel at the 1. The game was
>> still winnable at that point. You stop the Jets from making a first
>> down. That was pretty much a 50/50 proposition at that point.

I'm not so sure; I'd have to look at the actual numbers. But from
memory, the Jets could have gotten the clock down to less than a
minute, kicked a field goal, then the Pats get the ball back with maybe
40-50 seconds, no timeouts, and needing two scores.

Eh, okay, maybe 50/50 is a good assessment, actually. Is the extra
minute and keeping one timeout worth having to score two touchdowns
instead?

Like I said, we will never know!

> What if Cromartie had stayed in bounds...taking a seat so to speak...do you
> think they could have milked the clock then?

I don't think Cromartie staying in would have made a difference, since the
clock would stop on the change of possession. Now, if he'd fallen on
the ball instead of running it, it leaves a little bit more time on the
clock, and the Jets are further back, that it makes no sense to allow
a TD--get a stop, force a punt, and you need one TD with 40-50
seconds.

--keith


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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 2:54 pm
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> What if Cromartie had stayed in bounds...taking a seat so to speak...do you
> think they could have milked the clock then?

Would the clock have run? Wouldn't it stop for the change of
possession?

I am truly asking not making a statement.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 4:01 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:c047d384-0cde-4298-bd2a-a032ee876870@y19g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 18, 2:03 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 11:52 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 06:42:12 -0800 (PST), John C TX
> > <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > >One of the Pats' fans pointed out to me that the Pats loaded the D
> > >line for this play. There appears to be 6 down & 2 more up on the
> > >line. Did BB give us the TD?
>
> > Honestly, at that point in the game, how else were the Pats going to
> > play the Jets?
> > The Jets weren't going to pass, so of course, they stacked the box.
> > Watch the corner shoot in, & get picked up by Richardson. And Mayo
> > change direction. Or
> > Woolfork dive at Greene.
> > Watch the Pats linemen before the snap, planting their feet, and
> > shifting for a better
> > angle.
> > They don't look like possums to me ;)
>
> Burf, as I mentioned to john in an email, they didn't stack the box.
> They brought out a goal line set. There's a huuuuuuge difference
> between them. If a team has 1st and 10 and you know they're going to
> run it 3 times, you don't bring out a goalline formation. The point
> of a goal line formation is to control the LOS, not to stop the run.
> They should have remained in their 3-4 alignment, brought a SS up into
> the box, and pressed the corners up and inside on the receivers to try
> to take away the slant (no way Sanchez was throwing outside in that
> situation -- the Jets don't even do quick outs).
>
> After rewatching it, I'm convinced Schott outsmarted Matt Patricia...

What? Be careful what you say around here.

Unless you are saying "Schott outsmarted a gerbil" or "Schott
outsmarted a Chia Pet", there are people in these parts who take them
as fighting words!


Grinch, What is the difference between you acting like that...total sarcasm
and trying to stir something up and a troll? I like a lot of your stuff,
you make some great points when you stick to facts. This has nothing to do
with any facts and is just to get something going here, and possibly drive
away some more regulars. I just don't think that is a smart idea. If you
want to say you feel like Schott is the best ever or anything you
want...that's fine. But nobody here was criticizing him (Schott) so why do
you feel obliged to get into this? I guess you will enjoy it when this
group is nothing but whack jobs calling each other names? I hope not. Why
don't we all try to let folks have their opinions and respect it and each
other?

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TOPIC: All You Fag Republican Chicken Hawks
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/02b6a57a2a1339c3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 1:42 pm
From: Sanchez The Rapist


On 17 Jan 2011, JetsLife <JetsLife@aol.com> posted some news:b5af01e8-
c790-4501-a6e8-7598a8fda2cb@q12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:

> Always remember the following. These are our young people not
> statistics, Also if you can go to work it means you can go fight. So
> go fight.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqSdT9idHO8&feature=related
>

http://articles.cnn.com/1998-12-
16/politics/1998_12_16_transcripts_clinton_1_saddam-hussein-unscom-iraq-
strike?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

Transcript President Clinton explains Iraq strike

December 16, 1998

Earlier today, I ordered Americas armed forces to strike military and
security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission
is to attack Iraqs nuclear,chemical and biological weapons programs and
its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States,
and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around
the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world
with nuclear arms, poison gas or biologicalweapons.

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TOPIC: Byrd is the Word - #90 to be honorary Captain for coin toss on Sunday
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/00ff15f337cb19e2?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 2:50 pm
From: John C TX


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> >> Rex Ryan on ESPN 1050 said he asked the league to allow Dennis Byrd to
> >> be the team captain(for the coin toss) The League said yes.
>
> > Dave, I was shocked when they said that was 1992.  Life blows by.
>
> > I wish the Jets had video or audio of his speech.
>
> Life sure does fly by....I was at most of of the games that season and still
> remember it quite well.  I had just left coaching, my son was still playing
> in college and my wife was a wreck when Byrd was hurt.  I think it made it
> hard for her to watch her boy carry the ball the rest of the season.  

It really is a stupid game but I love watching it.

>After
> all those years away from coaching, this was the fist time I really wished I
> could give it a go again...and I have NO idea why.

Because it is fun.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 3:55 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6b20aac1-1035-44ee-b1cc-2a991fae82ff@f35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
X-No-Archive: Yes

> >> Rex Ryan on ESPN 1050 said he asked the league to allow Dennis Byrd to
> >> be the team captain(for the coin toss) The League said yes.
>
> > Dave, I was shocked when they said that was 1992. Life blows by.
>
> > I wish the Jets had video or audio of his speech.
>
> Life sure does fly by....I was at most of of the games that season and
> still
> remember it quite well. I had just left coaching, my son was still playing
> in college and my wife was a wreck when Byrd was hurt. I think it made it
> hard for her to watch her boy carry the ball the rest of the season.

It really is a stupid game but I love watching it.

>After
> all those years away from coaching, this was the fist time I really wished
> I
> could give it a go again...and I have NO idea why.

Because it is fun.

And sometimes I watch some coaches do some things and can't help but feel
how dumb they are...then I see other coaches and feel like I'd love to be
part of that brilliance :-) My wife laughs at me, she says I'd make it half
way through a season now...I think she's wrong.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 5:35 pm
From: Tutor


On Jan 18, 1:14 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > Rex Ryan on ESPN 1050 said he asked the league to allow Dennis Byrd to
> > be the team captain(for the coin toss) The League said yes.
>
> Dave, I was shocked when they said that was 1992.  Life blows by.
>
> I wish the Jets had video or audio of his speech.

My now 18 year old daughter was a newborn. And I remember that play
like it was yesterday.

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TOPIC: Slauson on 1050 ESPN today @ 10:30 am
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/cfd6db2d163d98db?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 3:02 pm
From: John C TX


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> yep... he "runs the groud game"   Just like I had in quotes above.
> That is exactly what he said.  The way he was speaking he all but gave
> full credit to callahan for their ground attack.  I'd have thought
> better of you if  you manned up and admitted you went off half-
> cocked.


You wrote:

> That was the meat of the interview... The most intersting thing was
> that he gave complete credit to Callahan for their running attack.

He said the word instrumental not complete. Well who would run the
blocking for rushing the ball? Ryan's veterinarian?

If you tell me you weren't trying to infer that any success they have
is only related to Callahan, & Schott has nothing to do with any of
that success, then I owe you an apology. If that was your intended
message then send me your address & I will mail you the star and some
lubricant to minimize the pain.

The silly Schott stuff is tiring.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 3:20 pm
From: Michael


On Jan 18, 6:02 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > yep... he "runs the groud game"   Just like I had in quotes above.
> > That is exactly what he said.  The way he was speaking he all but gave
> > full credit to callahan for their ground attack.  I'd have thought
> > better of you if  you manned up and admitted you went off half-
> > cocked.
> You wrote:
> > That was the meat of the interview... The most intersting thing was
> > that he gave complete credit to Callahan for their running attack.
>
> He said the word instrumental not complete. Well who would run the
> blocking for rushing the ball? Ryan's veterinarian?
>
> If you tell me you weren't trying to infer that any success they have
> is only related to Callahan, & Schott has nothing to do with any of
> that success, then I owe you an apology.  If that was your intended
> message then send me your address & I will mail you the star and some
> lubricant to minimize the pain.
>
> The silly Schott stuff is tiring.

john.. i see what you are getting at now... you are saying that
slauson was paying some lip service to callahan for the sake of the
interview and was not actually giving him all the credit. valid
point. at first i thought you were disputing the quotes. believe it
or not, this was not intended as an anti shot post... this was a pure
slauson post. you know i've been following our 6th round husker.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 7:00 pm
From: John C TX


On Jan 18, 5:20 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 6:02 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > yep... he "runs the groud game"   Just like I had in quotes above.
> > > That is exactly what he said.  The way he was speaking he all but gave
> > > full credit to callahan for their ground attack.  I'd have thought
> > > better of you if  you manned up and admitted you went off half-
> > > cocked.
> > You wrote:
> > > That was the meat of the interview... The most intersting thing was
> > > that he gave complete credit to Callahan for their running attack.
>
> > He said the word instrumental not complete. Well who would run the
> > blocking for rushing the ball? Ryan's veterinarian?
>
> > If you tell me you weren't trying to infer that any success they have
> > is only related to Callahan, & Schott has nothing to do with any of
> > that success, then I owe you an apology.  If that was your intended
> > message then send me your address & I will mail you the star and some
> > lubricant to minimize the pain.
>
> > The silly Schott stuff is tiring.
>
> john.. i see what you are getting at now... you are saying that
> slauson was paying some lip service to callahan for the sake of the
> interview and was not actually giving him all the credit.  valid
> point.  at first i thought you were disputing the quotes. believe it
> or not,  this was not intended as an anti shot post... this was a pure
> slauson post.  you know i've been following our 6th round husker.

Then I owe you an apology and I apologize.

Send the badge to Johnny and send the lube to buRf.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 7:11 pm
From: Michael


On Jan 18, 10:00 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 5:20 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 18, 6:02 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > yep... he "runs the groud game"   Just like I had in quotes above.
> > > > That is exactly what he said.  The way he was speaking he all but gave
> > > > full credit to callahan for their ground attack.  I'd have thought
> > > > better of you if  you manned up and admitted you went off half-
> > > > cocked.
> > > You wrote:
> > > > That was the meat of the interview... The most intersting thing was
> > > > that he gave complete credit to Callahan for their running attack.
>
> > > He said the word instrumental not complete. Well who would run the
> > > blocking for rushing the ball? Ryan's veterinarian?
>
> > > If you tell me you weren't trying to infer that any success they have
> > > is only related to Callahan, & Schott has nothing to do with any of
> > > that success, then I owe you an apology.  If that was your intended
> > > message then send me your address & I will mail you the star and some
> > > lubricant to minimize the pain.
>
> > > The silly Schott stuff is tiring.
>
> > john.. i see what you are getting at now... you are saying that
> > slauson was paying some lip service to callahan for the sake of the
> > interview and was not actually giving him all the credit.  valid
> > point.  at first i thought you were disputing the quotes. believe it
> > or not,  this was not intended as an anti shot post... this was a pure
> > slauson post.  you know i've been following our 6th round husker.
>
> Then I owe you an apology and I apologize.
>
> Send the badge to Johnny and send the lube to buRf.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

thanx, but you dont owe me an appology here... i did not consider that
you jumped on it because you saw it as a branch of my schotty screed.
i understand the motive now...

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TOPIC: A weepy Tommy boy
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d255742f7b970ab8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 3:08 pm
From: ravensfan swallows


On 1/17/2011 11:16 PM, buRford wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:46:44 -0800 (PST), Tutor<dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

>>
>>
>> *******>>>>>>When he was finished addressing the media at the stadium,
>> Brady was seen sobbing on the shoulder of teammate Wes Welker, his
>> leading wide receiver<<<<<<<********
>>
>> So it was no surprise to hear that he did not sleep well Sunday night.
>>
>> "Believe me, every Patriot player that was in uniform yesterday didn't
>> sleep well last night knowing that we didn't do what we needed to do
>> to win the game," Brady said. "And certainly, I'm right at the top of
>> the list in my disappointment in myself, that I really let the team
>> down and didn't play the way I was capable. ... It was futile at about
>> 2.

>>
>> And they will have the entire offseason to think about that now.
>
>
> Sad that neither of these guys, give any credit to the Jets.
> And the Jets are the ones without class.
they did give credit, educate yourself

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TOPIC: Are the NE Patriots the new chokers of the NFL?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b66774fffc10b56e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 3:10 pm
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes
> > > On Jan 17, 1:11 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:22:49 -0500, "yoyodog" <NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >Are the NE Patriots the new chokers of the NFL?
>
> > > > >2007 Loss to the NY Giants in the SB
> > > > >2008 Did not make the playoffs
> > > > >2009 Loss to the Baltimore Ravens in the Wild Card - ONE-AND-DONE
> > > > >2010 Loss the the NY Jets in the Divisional round - ONE-AND-DONE
>
> > > > >I LOVE the fact that because of the bye the Pats got, the season amounts
> > > > >to
> > > > >another ONE-AND-DONE playoff loss season...  That would be only 2 playoff
> > > > >game appearances since 2007 and both were ONE-AND-DONE losses!
>
> > > > >That's got to sting!  :-)
>
> > > > It's like I've said, yo, they've been a Myth.
> > > > Don't know if they're chokers, but it's been quite a while since they were
> > > > worthy of all
> > > > the hype they get.
>
> > > I think they started out the season around 16th in everyone's power
> > > rankings.  Obviously, they outperformed expectations this year.  I
> > > wouldn't say they're a myth or that they're overhyped.  They became
> > > hyped by season's end because they had the best record in the league
> > > and an MVP quarterback.  This was not undue hype.  It was earned.  But
> > > even Pats fans have been wary about the team for most of this season,
> > > myself included.  Too many holes.
>
> > > The bigger question might be what it is about these teams that the
> > > Patriots struggle with so much.  The Ravens and Jets play very similar
> > > football.  And, although the Giants were quite a bit different in
> > > terms of personnel and scheme, they shared the fact that they were a
> > > pressure-based defense that disguised looks better than most teams.
>
> > > The Pats have a lot of work to do this offseason but I think they have
> > > a very good base to build off of.  Youth, draft picks, and a franchise
> > > QB who doesn't appear to be on the decline just yet.  I wouldn't
> > > exactly put them in the has-been category.  Maybe the difference isn't
> > > with the Pats as much as it is with the Jets.  The Jets have emerged
> > > as a top tier NFL team.  You play them three times a year and it'll
> > > take its toll and the losses will pile up.
>
> > Mark, I have been thinking this is the year the Pats should package
> > their extra picks and move up and take their top QB. Since no one is
> > ready to play now (meaning teams are no so sure as they will be next
> > year with Luck that no one will trade regardless of the offer), and at
> > least one of these guys playing two or three years behind Brady will be
> > great, what do you think?
>
> > h
>
> I don't think you give up that much, and pay that much money, for a
> backup player.  I'm also not sure what they have in Hoyer yet.  They
> seem to like him a lot, and I'll be honest, I thought he's looked
> great in the limited snaps I've seen him in.  Who knows?
>
> I think they should package their Oakland pick and a couple of their
> second rounders & third rounders to move into the top 5 to draft
> whoever the next Richard Seymour is.  Easily their biggest weakness
> this year.  They need a Suh-like playmaker alongside Wilfork and Ty
> Warren.  Preferably one that can be physical enough to push back these
> 330lb OTs in the running game, and penetrate the pocket on third
> downs.
>
> Then use their remaining early picks (their own + Carolina's #33) on a
> stud OLB/pass rusher & maybe a running back or C/G (if Mankins
> walks).  Maybe even another 3-4 DE after their first pick just because
> it's so great a need and they can't afford to miss.
>
> Belichick screwed the pooch trading Seymour.  Starting Gerard Warren
> at RE and an undrafted rookie at NT/LE, and moving Wilfork to DE to
> compensate, really left this front 7 in shambles.  Jets fans should
> actually be a little concerned that they weren't more effective
> against this rag-tag group -- Pittsburgh is much more stout against
> the run and dynamic on third downs.  See Tut's post about how awful
> the Patriots are.

MZ, maybe this will cause BB to step back & look at what he does.
Going cheap on coordinators may be his way of maintaining his system
but wouldn't a Don Capers or someone of his level help on both sides
of the ball? That is one of my knocks on Schott he hasn't seen that
much and he probably wants to be a head coach. A DC or OC that is
happy being DC has value and one who is happy & has experience even
more value.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 3:10 pm
From: Grinch


On Jan 17, 2:48 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 1:11 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:

>
> > On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:22:49 -0500, "yoyodog" <NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >Are the NE Patriots the new chokers of the NFL?
>
> > >2007 Loss to the NY Giants in the SB
> > >2008 Did not make the playoffs
> > >2009 Loss to the Baltimore Ravens in the Wild Card - ONE-AND-DONE
> > >2010 Loss the the NY Jets in the Divisional round - ONE-AND-DONE
>
> > >I LOVE the fact that because of the bye the Pats got, the season amounts to
> > >another ONE-AND-DONE playoff loss season...  That would be only 2 playoff
> > >game appearances since 2007 and both were ONE-AND-DONE losses!
>
> > >That's got to sting!  :-)
>
> > It's like I've said, yo, they've been a Myth.
> > Don't know if they're chokers, but it's been quite a while since they were worthy of all
> > the hype they get.
>
> I think they started out the season around 16th in everyone's power
> rankings.  Obviously, they outperformed expectations this year.  I
> wouldn't say they're a myth or that they're overhyped.  They became
> hyped by season's end because they had the best record in the league
> and an MVP quarterback.  This was not undue hype.  It was earned.  But
> even Pats fans have been wary about the team for most of this season,
> myself included.  Too many holes.
>
> The bigger question might be what it is about these teams that the
> Patriots struggle with so much.  The Ravens and Jets play very similar
> football.  And, although the Giants were quite a bit different in
> terms of personnel and scheme, they shared the fact that they were a
> pressure-based defense that disguised looks better than most teams.

The AFC East was by far the toughest division in the league this year
and its teams played by far the toughest schedule, when computing SOS
by who they played and everyone's margin of victory. Second was the
AFC North -- and the East and North played each other. All their
teams were better than their w-l record looked -- Pitt, Balt, Jets,
Mia was winning-team strength versus an average schedule, and
Cleveland was a lot better than their poor w-l looked, so them beating
NE should maybe be a surprise but not *such* a shock. These teams as
a group and GB in the NFC really dominated the whole league this
year.

(Atlanta won a ton of close games this year, but close games are luck
-- winning close games in the regular season predicts *losing* in the
playoffs. Losing close games in the season *strongly* predicts
winning in the playoffs. GB had no luck in close games this season.
When they met last week the result was exactly what history
predicted.)

Now, two obvious facts that for some reason pro football fans are much
more reluctant than fans of other sports to accept -- are often openly
hostile to, even -- are that (1) there is an awful lot of random
chance in determining game outcomes, and (2) in championship
tournaments where the contestants are more closely grouped together
than in the regular season, the underdog less-good contestants win
even more often than other times. Of course they do.

That's why the MLB and NBA and hockey playoffs are seven games, And
why in other sports few people confuse "the champion" with "the
best". If in tennis or golf the 12-seed wins Wimbledon or the US Open
nobody thinks he's suddenly "the best" but everybody salutes him as
champion -- and nobody damns the top 11 seeds as "chokers". In MLB
in 2003-2005 the Cardinals won 105 games and lost the WS, 100 games
and lost in the playoffs, and then all of 83 games and *won* the World
Series. The world of baseball was not put on its head --there was no
shock or stunned silence -- "the best team" and "the champion" and two
different things. Baseball fans know that. What was the problem?

But in football the fans are very different. It's all about "imposing
your will" on the other team, that means "character", that means a
team is composed of heros who rise to the occasion or don't -- and are
*personalized* for it as "clutch" or "chokers".

During the regular season, "on any given Sunday any team can win" the
fans know -- but for some reason during the playoffs, when the teams
are grouped much more closely together by quality, only "the best" are
supposed to be winners.

It's all heros-and-chokers *bullshit*. The best team has to be number
1 or they *choked*, and if the 6th seed wins it really shows they
*are* the best because their "clutch play" proves it.

Everything is *hugely* over-personalized.

Right now on NFL.com there's expert analysis titled "The "Belichick-
Brady Combo Isn't Superhuman After All" ... WTF bullshit is this?
Did anyone ever call the Joe Torre-Derek Jeter combo "Superhuman"?

But the story goes on to warn us, we *should have known* Belichick
isn't superhuman: "Who could forget Belichick's horrendous decision
to go for it on fourth-and-1 at Indianapolis in 2009?" When it was
4th and 2 and exactly the *right* call.

This "Superhuman" stupidity is be being pushed right on the NFL's own
web site -- because football fans for some reason lap it up, it makes
the NFL and its allies tons of money.

Here's my take on Belichick and Brady going from the "Superhuman
Combo" to "Dummy and Choker", and all the Pats "recent losing". FWIW:

BB is a great coach. He built the Pats into a top team quickly. In
the process of doing so they were also *lucky* in that they won more
playoff games than anyone would expect by how good they were. Very
good and lucky too *is* the unbeatable combo. They overachieved.
Suddenly they were Superhuman! Who could stay with them?? Nobody!

Then things happened the other way. They got unlucky in that they
lost some games in the playoffs when they were the better team. It
happens. (Ask the Cards of 2003-4 -- or 2005! Or countless other
teams in all sports.) In a single elimination tournament, not best of
7, that means you are out right there. So 18-0 .. out. Against Balt
last year, out. After 14-2 this year ... out.

When a very, very good team plays a very good team in one single game,
the very good team has a quite good chance of winning -- as fans of
all other sports know. In reality, that's all that's happening here.
Period.

But football fans can't take that -- the Superhuman Combo, having been
built up to that previously, now must become become rotten playcaller
and choker. It's all incredibly stupid bullshit -- but it really
hypes the game and makes the NFL and media advertisers money,

NFL football is an entertainment industry, exactly like Hollywood.
And the league and TV networks and all the expert media pundits are
every bit as concernced about the truth of all the stories they spin
as Hollywood is.

> The bigger question might be what it is about these teams that the
> Patriots struggle with so much...

The Pats O eviscerated teams this year with a short passing game.
Brady mostly threw short, even more than prior years. The Pats D for
the most part was lesser quality and played "bend but don't break".

When the Jets heavy blitzed the Pats in the prior game, as is Rex's
normal want, *boom*, we saw the mismatches and one-on-ones that
resulted for Brady to exploit to go ahead from the first drive. And
let's just say that Sanchez is not a come-from-behind kind of QB, the
more he tries that the more picks he throws. Result 45-3.

The formula for countering a team with the Pats character is not
rocket science to figure out: Get a controlled, low-mistake O going
to make the Pats D bend-but-don't-break D bend *a lot*, consuming
time, reducing possessions, so you don't get in a shoot-out with
Brady, then put out a contain D that takes away the wideouts' big
plays, make the Pats O run short passes to consume time too...

Then hope for the best. The hard part of the game plan isn't the
conception, the challenge is getting the execution to make it work,
and the *luck* to be in a position to make it work. Because it doesn't
work if you are behind, only if you are close or ahead. If you are
behind then you are running the clock out on yourself and the Pats
have all the options. If you have bad luck and for some reason start
out behind early, you are screwed. There's not really a credible plan
B.

That first pick the Jets grabbed was *huge* -- even after the FG
missed -- because it set the Pats way back and kept the game situation
in a position where that game plan could work. It kept the Jets O in
a position where they could choose to do the things Sanchez is good at
rather than be foreced to have him do things he's bad at, as in the
last game.

Of course the pick was good defense but it was also *luck* too -- how
many picks does Brady throw, and how many get run back all that way? .
And *all* picks are in very large part luck. There is no defensive
play call: "OK, we get the pick on this play".

Rex put in the right D game plan to contain the Pats O -- 180 degrees
different from the last one -- it was executed with excellence all
the way through, they used the right O game plan, the combination of
*great* D and early luck kept the O in a position where it could
continue with the game plan ... so it was a competitive game ....
then the Pats made some mistakes as mortal humans do -- the bungled
fake punt giving the Jets another 7 was also *huge*, it kept the Jets
O able to stick safely with the low-risk game plan until time ran
out ... and the Jets won.

It was a game. Rex used the right plan to keep things close, then
things worked out. Personally I think the Pats probably are the
better team, by maybe 6-4 in a 10 game set -- but the NFL doesn't play
10-game sets, and when good teams are this closely matched in a single
game either one can win.

And that's the way it is from here until the Lombardi Trophy is
awarded. There are four very closely matched and comparable teams
left, any one of them can win, really it's from a 20% to 30% chance
for each.

The winner will have well earned the trophy and be a true "champion"
-- but as to all the unavoidable accompanying stories about how it
will have "imposed its will" and "risen to the occassion" and "proved
itself *the best*" and in retrospect "no other result was possible"
while the opposing QBs "failed, choked, under the pressure" .... go
stuff all that bullshit claptrap.

> The Pats have a lot of work to do this offseason but I think they have
> a very good base to build off of.  Youth, draft picks, and a franchise
> QB who doesn't appear to be on the decline just yet.  I wouldn't
> exactly put them in the has-been category.

I see no reason at all to believe the Pats won't be as good in the
next few years as in the last few.

I can't believe they will be as lucky again as in Belichick and
Brady's first few, so they may never wear their SuperMan capes again
at NFL.com, and may suffer in comparison to their early selves in the
public's eye -- but on the merits I see no reason to believe they
won't do just fine.

> Maybe the difference isn't
> with the Pats as much as it is with the Jets.  The Jets have emerged
> as a top tier NFL team.  You play them three times a year and it'll
> take its toll and the losses will pile up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


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TOPIC: Sanchez's best game ever
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3ceb422443e23e98?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 4:56 pm
From: Grinch


Only 198 yards on only 25 attempts, not heroic numbers, but....

http://footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2011/quick-reads-divisional-round

Remember all that stuff about how the Jets had simplified their
offense and were limiting Sanchez to slants and other safe throws
after the 45-3 loss to the Patriots? Well, they made it more complex.

Sanchez was fantastic against the Patriots, often hitting his
receivers in stride and even making plays downfield. His best throw
was about as complex as you can get, signaling Braylon Edwards to
change his route on the fly with a hand signal and then launching a
perfect 36-yard corner route to the sideline. He turned 10 third downs
into four first downs and two touchdowns, particularly important
considering his rushing game produced just one first down in the first
half


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 5:29 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:76bd86e6-6cc0-4b00-b9d9-e5de4ce059a1@m35g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> Only 198 yards on only 25 attempts, not heroic numbers, but....
>
> http://footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2011/quick-reads-divisional-round
>
> Remember all that stuff about how the Jets had simplified their
> offense and were limiting Sanchez to slants and other safe throws
> after the 45-3 loss to the Patriots? Well, they made it more complex.
>
> Sanchez was fantastic against the Patriots, often hitting his
> receivers in stride and even making plays downfield. His best throw
> was about as complex as you can get, signaling Braylon Edwards to
> change his route on the fly with a hand signal and then launching a
> perfect 36-yard corner route to the sideline. He turned 10 third downs
> into four first downs and two touchdowns, particularly important
> considering his rushing game produced just one first down in the first
> half

Very good observations. What is important here is they changed the core of
the offense, and did significantly so. I think the result is an efficient
QB who can function in the offense. A lot of good coaching is adjusting to
what the players CAN do..use your tools well so to speak. I liked what
they did very much and was for the most part really excited about what I was
seeing. It became apparent that he would need to pass efficiently to win,
he did that and made some key throws that looked like a seasoned vet
performing. OMHO, Papa Carl


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 5:44 pm
From: Michael


On Jan 18, 8:29 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Grinch" <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
> news:76bd86e6-6cc0-4b00-b9d9-e5de4ce059a1@m35g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Only 198 yards on only 25 attempts, not heroic numbers, but....
>
> >http://footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2011/quick-reads-divisional-...
>
> > Remember all that stuff about how the Jets had simplified their
> > offense and were limiting Sanchez to slants and other safe throws
> > after the 45-3 loss to the Patriots? Well, they made it more complex.
>
> > Sanchez was fantastic against the Patriots, often hitting his
> > receivers in stride and even making plays downfield. His best throw
> > was about as complex as you can get, signaling Braylon Edwards to
> > change his route on the fly with a hand signal and then launching a
> > perfect 36-yard corner route to the sideline. He turned 10 third downs
> > into four first downs and two touchdowns, particularly important
> > considering his rushing game produced just one first down in the first
> > half
>
> Very good observations.  What is important here is they changed the core of
> the offense, and did significantly so.  I think the result is an efficient
> QB who can function in the offense.  A lot of good coaching is adjusting to
> what the players CAN  do..use your tools well so to speak.  I liked what
> they did very much and was for the most part really excited about what I was
> seeing.  It became apparent that he would need to pass efficiently to win,
> he did that and made some key throws that looked like a seasoned vet
> performing.  OMHO, Papa Carl- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

with my very ammature observations...my *theory* is that the offense
began going throuhg a wholesale change after the miami loss. do you
agree ??? if so, who do you think is responsible ??? why have players
recently given callahan and cav for play calling ??? is it me picking
dust specks out of pepper, or do clues bare out that sanchez has an on-
field problem with schotty ???


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 5:58 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:51455202-ca6d-47b9-b42c-e2dbc56a1630@fm22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 18, 8:29 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Grinch" <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
> news:76bd86e6-6cc0-4b00-b9d9-e5de4ce059a1@m35g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Only 198 yards on only 25 attempts, not heroic numbers, but....
>
> >http://footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2011/quick-reads-divisional-...
>
> > Remember all that stuff about how the Jets had simplified their
> > offense and were limiting Sanchez to slants and other safe throws
> > after the 45-3 loss to the Patriots? Well, they made it more complex.
>
> > Sanchez was fantastic against the Patriots, often hitting his
> > receivers in stride and even making plays downfield. His best throw
> > was about as complex as you can get, signaling Braylon Edwards to
> > change his route on the fly with a hand signal and then launching a
> > perfect 36-yard corner route to the sideline. He turned 10 third downs
> > into four first downs and two touchdowns, particularly important
> > considering his rushing game produced just one first down in the first
> > half
>
> Very good observations. What is important here is they changed the core of
> the offense, and did significantly so. I think the result is an efficient
> QB who can function in the offense. A lot of good coaching is adjusting to
> what the players CAN do..use your tools well so to speak. I liked what
> they did very much and was for the most part really excited about what I
> was
> seeing. It became apparent that he would need to pass efficiently to win,
> he did that and made some key throws that looked like a seasoned vet
> performing. OMHO, Papa Carl- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

with my very ammature observations...my *theory* is that the offense
began going throuhg a wholesale change after the miami loss. do you
agree ??? if so, who do you think is responsible ??? why have players
recently given callahan and cav for play calling ??? is it me picking
dust specks out of pepper, or do clues bare out that sanchez has an on-
field problem with schotty ???

I have no clue. I did find it interesting that the FX Sound clip on NFL
Network from the Colts game showed Schott asking Rex what he wanted for that
play that set up the winning FG. So, we know to some extent things seem to
go through Rex. I would imagine that they collectively decided something
needed to be changed, and if they have any smarts they do it in a group,
with all the offensive brains having some input. What I mean is Cav says
what he thinks is best for MS, and Callahan puts in his ideas to let the O
line perform to their best. You don't throw out the offense, but by
collectively coming together you fine tune things. I suspect most players
go to their position coach more readily than anyone else, and that proably
has a role too. I'm only taking a guess here based on my own experiences,
when players you trust tell you what they think will work best for them, and
you are smart enough to listen, you come together and put the stuff together
that works for everyone. It just looked like the total package had / has
more of a goal to it now. OMHO, Papa Carl

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TOPIC: The Meaning Of "Fuck Tom Brady," And The Genius Of Rex Ryan's Trash-
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/64c67b1ab9d6fd55?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 5:32 pm
From: marcman


The Meaning Of "Fuck Tom Brady," And The Genius Of Rex Ryan's Trash-
Talking

http://deadspin.com/5736740/the-meaning-of-fuck-tom-brady-and-the-genius-of-rex-ryans-trash+talking

Athletes talking shit to each other is hardly a new story. Every kid
who ever played sports in high school knows that shit-talking is a
time-honored tradition in competitive athletics. The winners shit-talk
the losers; the losers shit-talk the winners; the fans shit-talk the
players, shit-talk the other team's fans, shit-talk each other.
Screwing with people's minds is an American pastime.

It is also, among athletes, a very Darwinian process. Those who take
it personally and let it negatively affect their game are weeded out,
until you have, in professional sports, a group of men who are not so
easily rattled.

Whenever a "war of words" breaks out between two teams, as it did last
week in the run-up to the Jets-Patriots game, we learn a lot more
about the quirks and insecurities not of the players who speak out,
but of the reporters who beg them to. Next time a player sounds off
about his next opponent, watch the clip closely. He'll seem
exasperated, and the key quotes will come in some final, dismissive
flurry of words muttered in the hopes of ending the line of
questioning. The reporter wants this soundbite, he needs this
soundbite, and he will do anything to get this soundbite. Antonio
Cromartie's "Fuck him" line about Tom Brady was, I suspect, less about
Brady as a person and more about the ceaseless monsoon of Brady-
scorched-you-the-last-time-you-played-and-appeared-to-be-rubbing-it-in-
while-he-was-doing-it questions. Look at the full exchange:

Cromartie, in his first year with the Jets after four years with the
Chargers, backed up Ryan Tuesday when he was asked by the Daily News
if he's ever seen Brady pointing after the Patriots score.
"We see that a lot. He does it a lot," Cromartie said. "That's the
kind of guy he is. We really don't give a damn, to tell you the
truth."
Okay, what kind of guy is Brady?
"An ass————.
"———— him."
If you asked me about kittens all day for a week, when all I was
trying to do was take a shower and go home, then, yes, eventually I'd
say, "Fuck kittens." Because what I'd really be saying is, "Fuck you."

That's not to say that players aren't complicit in making this
bullshit machine hum. They know what the reporters come for, and they
know what will keep them coming back, to that same locker, whenever
they need to whip up a story. Some players obviously enjoy it and take
pride in being the mouthpiece of the organization. But most players
understand that it's a media game played on the media's terms, and
they choose not to participate. When interviewed, they speak in
banalities and platitudes, offering little or no original insight.
This is because little or no insight is required to keep the machine
churning. Reporters usually have the stories written in their heads.
They just need the player to agree so they can plug in his quotes to
complete the piece. That's why you'll often hear questions like: "The
last time you played this team, you turned the ball over four times
and lost the game by three points. How important will it be to win the
turnover battle this weekend?" A less leading question risks a more
thoughtful response, one that might contradict the premise of the
story the reporter has more or less already written. So the
sportswriters' questions supply their own answers.

That's the case even with the questions that lead players to insult
their opponents. "Okay, what kind of guy is Brady?" Take the bait and
call Tom Brady a little bitch. That's the story just aching to be
written, not because Cromartie wants to call Tom Brady a bitch, but
because the media want to call Tom Brady a bitch, so they find a guy
who will say it for them. But Brady knows this. He knows that
Cromartie, in this situation, is little more than the least-composed
member of the Jets' defensive backfield, coaxed over the line by a
relentless, conflict-loving New York media (who of course will turn
around and scold the Jets for engaging in the conflict the media
concocted). For this reason, Brady probably didn't take any of the
Jets' chatter very seriously, whether it was Cromartie's jabs or
whatever nonsense head coach Rex Ryan was spewing.

And herein lies Rex Ryan's genius. By controlling the media narrative
— "This is about Bill Belichick versus Rex Ryan," he said, just about
writing the headline for everyone — and by letting Cromartie attack
the Golden Boy, he could also control national expectations for the
outcome. No way can Rex Ryan beat Bill Belichick. No way can Cromartie
beat Brady. This might be a stretch here, but I'll go so far as to say
that Ryan's manipulation of the media actually pushed the line further
than it already was, resulting in a -9 for the Patriots. Nine points
is a bit much against a team that looked so good in beating the Colts
the week prior, unless you believe that it's a battle between
Belichick/Brady vs. Ryan/Cromartie. Then I'll take the Pats to cover.

Meanwhile, behind closed doors, Ryan was building up his players for
an ass-whooping. It's obviously impossible to know exactly how he did
it, what he said, what message he conveyed and how he conveyed it. But
Sal Palontonio's postgame interview with Bart Scott offered a small
glimpse into Rex Ryan's psychological approach during the week.
Scott's emotions were raw, and he vented about the lack of respect
that the Jets' third-ranked defense was shown in the week leading up
to the game. He also sent a parting shot to the Patriots' D, which, he
said, couldn't "stop a nosebleed." I pay close attention to sports
media, and no one was bashing the Jets' defense or making unfavorable
comparisons to the Patriots' defense. But Bart Scott believed
otherwise. This tells you exactly what Rex was telling his team. No
one respects us. They think this entire league is about Tom Brady and
Bill Belichick. Well, fuck them! It's about the guys in this room. I
believe in all of you. Fuck everyone else. Bart Scott may have been
talking, but those were his coach's words — literally. This is how Rex
Ryan described the Jets' third-quarter defense in their loss to the
Bears in December: "We couldn't stop a nosebleed."

The best, most effective shit-talk all week, I'd wager, was whatever
Ryan told his own guys in the locker room. The Cromartie-Brady dust-up
was a made-for-television event. It was all pretend. If they saw each
other in a bar, they'd be all smiles and hugs. (The players who really
hate each other don't talk about it in front of cameras, because they
know how truly personal it is.) But Bart Scott's anger was very real,
even if the disrespecting critics existed only in his head, courtesy
of Rex Ryan. That is how you motivate jaded professionals. You lie.
And it's a lie you can live with, because you know that in the world
of professional sports, you have to find ways to keep your players
riding that edge. That edge is what the Jets had and the Patriots
didn't. The lesson of last week's war of words isn't that the Jets
successfully screwed with New England's mind. It's that Rex Ryan
successfully screwed with everyone's mind.

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TOPIC: I'm Moe Greene!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 6:03 pm
From: "Moe Greene"


Do you know who I am? I'm Moe Greene!

First of all, the Jets are all done. The offensive line don't even have that
kind of muscle anymore. One of the tackles is injured, right? You're getting
chased out of New York by The Giants and the other Sports Teams. What do you
think is going on here? You think you can go to Pittsburg and win?


Moe Greene (I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders)


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 7:09 pm
From: "JKConey"

"Moe Greene" <Moe Greenet@MGreene.net> wrote in message
news:hN-dncrjqLoP26vQnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Do you know who I am? I'm Moe Greene!
>
> First of all, the Jets are all done. The offensive line don't even have
> that kind of muscle anymore. One of the tackles is injured, right? You're
> getting chased out of New York by The Giants and the other Sports Teams.
> What do you think is going on here? You think you can go to Pittsburg and
> win?
>


Been there, done that.... week 15.

--

www.myconeyislandmemories.com


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TOPIC: "You Won The Battle Tonight ...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 6:14 pm
From: Tutor


On Jan 17, 11:40 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> ... but the war isn't over" I told the Pats fans @ Gillette 12/6 MNF
> when they were in my face friendly. Deep down I knew we'd likely just
> lost the division and the No. 1 seed. As I'm sure many of us felt.
>
> At the time I wasn't thinking about a return engagement there. I was
> just pissed we lost.
>
> I'm glad the lads redeemed themselves in that stadium, where they were
> humiliated on national television.

LOL... you are a kind person.... A Jets fan buddy of mine posted
this:

"As are most Jet fans I am still basking in the glow of beating the
14-2 Patriots @ Gillette when 99.99% of the "experts" were already
crowning Belichick & Brady and really not giving the Jets a snowballs
chance.

Lets be honest, at some point the media (with few exceptions) decided
the chatty Jets were the villains and frankly they could hardly
contain their excitement over the prospect of New England dropping
another beatdown on them ... and yes, most were expecting another
massacre, including Patriots fans who could not have been more cocky
following 45-3 and leading up to this game. (I've been away, not
oblivious)

However I had a good feeling about this game all week, in large part
BECAUSE of that 45-3 drubbing.

As I watched that blowout wind down, and I watched every ugly second
of it, it couldn't have been more apparent to me that the Pats were
running up the score and loving every second of it.

It was like 2007 all over again when the Pats were no longer content
to beat you and the objective switched to humiliation.

They were determined to humiliate the Jets that night, keeping Brady
in till the very last snap, still throwing the ball all over the yard
well into the 4th Qtr, taunting and mocking the Jets on the field and
even directing their taunts towards Rex and the Jets sidelines, and no-
one was enjoying himself more than Tom Brady ... with the possible
exception of Bill Belichick.

It was like Eddie Albert (the longest yard) telling the prison guards
to inflict as much pain and as much humiliation on the inmates as
humanly possible once they knew the victory was secured.

What the Pats did that night was done in the same spirit of malice ...
and to a man the Jets knew it.

You knew it too, didn't you?

You may not have said it out loud for the same reason the Jets had to
swallow it in the immediate aftermath, because it comes off like sour
grapes and makes you an easy target for further derision from the Pats
and their fans, so much like the Jets you had to pretend not to
notice ... but deep down inside you knew it and you didn't like it ...
you had to swallow it, but you didn't like it, if you care about this
team it perhaps even made you angry.

Of course for the most part the media pretended not to notice as well,
though not for the same reasons. Just like they pretended not to
notice when Tom Brady said he respects the Giants but not the Jets in
a radio interview following SB42, an audio I have posted on this site
in the past.

Even yesterday Brady was going on about the "Patriots way" of
conducting their business with class, unlike the loud and obnoxious
Jets ... and this smug, passive-aggressive, sanctimonious little twit
gets away with this BS because nobody in the media ever calls him on
it.

So when Rex or Cromartie or anyone else utters one word of contempt
for this phony the media immediately rushes to his defense, "HOW DARE
YOU INSULT TOM BRADY", like we owe him respect despite the fact that
he does not respect this football team and said as much, for no
apparent reason either, just to take a cheap shot at the Jets for the
heck of it.

I'm not talking about his "I hate the Jets" proclamation. I'm okay
with that. Rivals should hate one another, or at least strongly
dislike one another.

But I'm talking about a separate interview when he said he does not
"respect" the Jets ... but the Jets, according to the media and
including some "Jet fans" like Mike Greenberg, have to respect Tom
Brady?

Again, I've posted the audio and I'm sure most of you have heard it,
but the Patriots adoring media pretends not to notice things like that
just like they pretended not to notice Brady screaming at Rex and
running up the score in that prior meeting.

To notice these things does not fit the narrative the media has
embraced, the Patriots are the embodiment of class and all that is
right with professional sports, while the Jets represent all that is
vile and crude ... and they will not stray from either narrative.

Essentially the Jets were portrayed as the bullies, all bark and no
bite, and the Pats would expose them (again) when they punch them in
the mouth and prove the Jets have no heart and can't take a punch.

If you listened closely all week, that was essentially the storyline
the media adopted and I can't think of anything more insulting, its
like portraying the Jets as lowlifes and cowards ... that's why Bart
Scott was furious.

BUT I DIGRESS

Point being, the Jets (TO A MAN) know the truth, just as most of you
know the truth. They know and we know how the Patriots really feel
about the Jets, how cocky that team has been, how disdainful and
contemptuous of the Jets they have been, starting with Belichick and
Brady, and how that all came to the surface on the night of 45-3 ...
and I knew they would be ready to unleash 60 minutes of fury on the
Pats on Sunday.

I didn't know if that would be enough to win, but I knew the Jets were
chomping at the bit for another crack at the Patriots from the second
that 45-3 debacle ended ... and I absolutely did like our chances.

It was easy for Pats fans to laugh when Rex said "I wish we could play
them again right now" five minutes after 45-3, but I knew what he
meant and I knew why he felt that way, and if they had an ounce of
pride I knew his players felt likewise.

When you do what the Pats did to the Jets that nite, and I don't mean
the margin of victory but how they went about it and how they behaved,
you better pray you don't see that team again anytime soon. If the
situation was reversed I would have been scared to death of playing
the Pats again in the playoffs, for the same reason the Pats should
have been worried ... as they learned in retrospect much to their
chagrin and despite their cockiness.

Translation: RUN THE SCORE UP ON THAT!!

That's what that "plane dance" and those "backflips" at Gillette were
all about.

Were the Jets celebrating excessively at Gillette on Sunday night?

Were the Jets rubbing it in?

Yout better believe it, and loving every second of it too!

RUN THE SCORE UP ON THAT!!

Oh Yeah, and for all you Patriots fans who laugh at Rex Ryan with your
fat jokes and what have you, laugh all you want but know this ...

Rex Ryan is 3-2 verses Belichick & Brady and now he's the main reason
why your 14-2 team is one & done.

Oh and make no mistake about it, if you think the Jets were dancing at
Gillette you should have seen Jet fans doing the Irish Jig in bars and
living-rooms far & wide. Short of winning a SB it doesn't get better
than this.

Knocking off the 14-2 Pats in their building where they hadn't lost a
game all year, a Patriots team that was averaging over 30 PPG and won
their last eight to close out the regular season as the AFC's #1 Seed,
and when most experts already had them coronated ... OH BABY!! ...
short of winning the SB this was the moment Jet fans live for!

So now its Back to Back AFC Championship Games for Rex in his first
two years as an NFL head coach, with a rookie and second year QB, Just
knocked off Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in back to back weeks on the
road, has already won more post season games than any coach in Jets
franchise history (TWO YEARS IN), his neophyte QB has already won as
many post season games on the road as any NFL QB who has ever lived,
one more and he's in sole possession of the all-time record (TWO YEARS
IN) ... and this years run is still going and these guys are just
getting started in their careers.

Now there is one thing left to accomplish to make this all special,
and by special I mean to become football royalty in this town for as
long as you live and long after you are gone, and here I am speaking
directly to the NY Jets ...

FINISH IT

FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED and MAKE IT STICK

Everything you have done heretofore, the back to back conference
finals and knocking off the arrogant Pats when it mattered most and
with the whole world picking against you ... MAKE IT STICK ... and the
way you make it stick, REALLY STICK, as in for all eternity, is to
FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED AND WIN THE WHOLE DANG THING!!"


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TOPIC: OT: Al Davis....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/728e0f8ad45c6552?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 6:45 pm
From: Grinch


The Absolute Ruler of the Raiders speaks, but just look at him:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-raiders/09000d5d81dc62b7/Al-Davis-on-state-of-the-Raiders?module=HP_video

I can't swear it from this angle but he appears to be sitting because
he can't stand.

From another report....
~~~
http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_17130148?nclick_check=1

Al Davis still rules supreme in Raider Nation

... His words drift and ramble and wander and sometimes fall off the
face of the Earth. And then Al Davis gathers himself and returns to
the matter at hand, upon which he exudes equal parts charm and
intellect.

Even at age 81, deeply in the autumn of his life, the owner of the
Oakland Raiders can sit before a room filled with reporters and
cameras and spend nearly two hours reminding one and all that he's
still the boss...

Making his first public speaking appearance in 16 months, Davis on
Tuesday announced the promotion of Hue Jackson from offensive
coordinator to head coach. Jackson, 45, becomes the 17th coach in
Raiders history...

"I plan on being here a long time," Jackson said, an obvious nod to
the fact that Davis has dismissed five coaches in seven years...

It was Davis who did most of the talking. He explained his Jan. 4
dismissal of head coach Tom Cable, saying he was a limited coach whose
personal life brought undue stress upon the franchise. Furthermore,
according to Davis, Cable was dishonest...

"I just didn't think he could do it," Davis said of Cable, "especially
when I saw the contrast with (Jackson)."...

[After Cable just coached the team to its first non-losing season in
nine years. Cable's already been hired by Carroll and is suing the
Raiders]

What was clear was Davis' vanity. He made pointed efforts to point out
the depth of his contributions to Oakland's most successful season on
the field since reaching the Super Bowl eight years ago.

"I did the draft," he said, referring to one of the most impressive
collections of rookies in Raiders history.

"I made the trade for (defensive lineman Richard) Seymour," Davis
added. "I drafted (cornerback Nnamdi) Asomugha" in 2003...

~~~~
"I dropped this team into the dumpster so it's averaged 4-12 for the
last decade, after I *traded* Gruden to Tampa, then fired Callahan
after he coached the team to the Super Bowl but lost to Gruden's
Tampa, then..."

Al, please, it's time. Even Popes retire when they die.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 7:08 pm
From: "JKConey"


I saw him at the presser and thought he looked like he was close to
checking out.


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TOPIC: Jets fans and New Yorkers in general
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 6:56 pm
From: John C TX


On Jan 18, 10:37 am, marcman <marcmanstud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 10:08 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > The guy was drunk.
> > > It's actually kinda sad.
>
> > I just saw this. It is horrible.
>
> I didn't hear about this on the news because I no longer live in NY.
> I didn't know if the story was true or made up because the troll
> didn't leave a link.
>
> I didn't LOL because of the (at the time, for me) alleged story, I
> LOLed because I thought it was a bizarre way to state that the
> Steelers were going to beat the Jets next week. Just clarifying . . .
> that is all . . .
>
>
>
> > Who laughs about father of two dying in accident? I guess my decision
> > to killfile that  moron Swami was prescient.
I wasn't taking a shot at you but the idiot swami.

S

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TOPIC: House money?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 7:13 pm
From: "JKConey"


Can't help but feel that all the pressure is on them. We're way beyond
where I thought we'd be 5 weeks ago.

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