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[socialactionfoundationforequity:12355 Bullied girls at risk for substance use

Bullied girls at risk for substance use
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health/Bullied-girls-at-risk-for-substance-use-/articleshow/7326036.cms

ANI, Jan 20, 2011,

A new study has found that adolescent girls who are victims of
bullying are more likely to engage in substance use as a result of
bullying-related depression.

As schools reopen following the holidays, the message to parents of
adolescent girls is that bullying can have serious consequences: "If
your daughter is a victim of bullying, take it seriously, do all
possible to prevent recurrence, and attend to possible depression and
substance use. For parents of boys who are bullied: depression is
still an issue, but it may not explain the relation between
victimization and substance use," according to Jeremy Luk of the
University of Washington.

His study is the first to identify depression as a possible link to
the relation between victimization and substance use among
adolescents. The findings are generalizable because they are based on
data from a nationally representative sample of 1,495 tenth graders.

The study was based on data on bullying from the 2005/2006 U.S. Health
Behaviour in School-aged Children (HBSC).

"Bullying is a serious problem among adolescents. Previous research
has shown that it is associated with loneliness, depression and
suicide. But no previous national studies have identified depression
as an explanation for the relationship between victimization from
bullying and substance use," Luk said.

The findings have been published in the Prevention Science , a journal
of the Society for Prevention Research.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:12355 Movie "Not My Life" aims to inspire global fight against human trafficking

Movie "Not My Life" aims to inspire global fight against human
trafficking
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/indepth/2011-01/21/c_13700765.htm

English.news.cn 2011-01-21 09:10:23 FeedbackPrintRSS

by Liza Jansen

NEW YORK, Jan. 20 (Xinhua) -- "Once we started to go into the first
truck I just wished I was dead or something. I just kept remembering,
I'm gonna be caged for the rest of my life," Angie said with a
trembling voice, and looked down.

The story of Angie, an American teenage girl, featured in the world
premiere of the documentary film about human trafficking " Not My
Life," at New York's heart for the performing arts, Lincoln Center, on
Wednesday evening.

The documentary movie, directed by Oscar-nominated filmmaker Robert
Bilheimer and narrated by Hollywood actress Ashley Judd, is the first
film that takes an unflinching look at this multi- billion dollar
industry, probing the dark, hidden, and often- unspeakable realities
of modern day slavery, as it is stamped.

Human trafficking earns its profits "on the backs and in the beds of
our planet's youth," Bilheimer said in his statement.

"We have no idea what we're dealing with, except that it's in every
country in the world in some form or another," said Bilheimer. "And
that, to me, is the most frightening part of all."

"Not My Life," which took four years to make, examines slavery in five
continents -- from forced labor in Africa to sexual trafficking in the
United States and Southeast Asia, and zeroes in on children being the
vast majority of trafficking and slavery victims.

"What kind of society cannibalizes its own children?" asked Bilheimer.
"Can we do these sorts of things on such a large scale and still call
ourselves human in any meaningful sense of the term? "

Millions of victims each year get trapped in the cages of human
trafficking which currently affects some 12.3 million adults and
children, according to the Trafficking in Persons Report 2010 (TIP
report), issued by the U.S. Department of State. These estimates vary
though as millions of people are enslaved and exploited with no way to
report their circumstances.

Whether it is the boy kidnapped to serve as a child soldier in the
armed groups of the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo or the
migrant Cambodian woman sold into sex slavery in Thailand, the numbers
remain in the shadows, as do the victims of the crime, according to
the report.

Through composing the movie Bilheimer, who also directed the
documentary "A Closer Walk" about the worldwide AIDS epidemic, aimed
to let one better understand the world in which we live by featuring
global testimony from survivors, depictions of trafficking,
exploitation, and slavery.

Images of forced labor in Africa, street begging and garbage picking
in India alighted Lincoln Center's lofty Alice Tully Hall.

Bilheimer got inspired by former U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, who
wrote that "if slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong."

"Right now, I feel what these men felt: anger, sorrow, fear,
astonishment that we have even come to this," Bilheimer noted.

"Each and everyone of us is called to act. I hope that tonight each of
us will make their own commitment," said Melanne Verveer, who is
ambassador-at-large for global women's issues, in her speech during
the screening.

Angie, the American teenage girl featured in the film, committed
herself yet, by telling her story.

[socialactionfoundationforequity:12355 Court to hear petition on tribunal’s independence

Court to hear petition on tribunal's independence
http://www.livemint.com/2011/01/20231733/Court-to-hear-petition-on-trib.html?atype=tp

The petition alleges that the ministry of commerce and industries has
violated mandatory norms

Fri, Jan 21 2011

Amonth after a top US administrator sought to influence a case at
India's Intellectual Property Appellate Board (IPAB) involving an
American drug maker, a group of lawyers and law academicians have
filed a writ petition in the Madras high court questioning the
independence of the board.

The petition, filed on the basis of facts collected through exercising
the Right to Information (RTI) Act on the competence and independence
of IPAB, alleges that the ministry of commerce and industries has
violated several mandatory norms and placed officials on the board who
do not have the necessary skill and competence.

Mint reported on 8 December that US commerce secretary Gary Locke had
written to Anand Sharma, India's minister of commerce and industries,
seeking a fair consideration of an appeal filed by US drug maker
Gilead Sciences Inc. at IPAB.

The appeal was against a decision by India's patent office to reject
Gilead's application for patenting its HIV-AIDS drug Viread in the
country.

The petition challenging the legality of the specialized IP tribunal
will come up for hearing on Friday.

Senior counsel and leading constitutional law expert Arvind Datar will
argue the matter at the high court on behalf of the petitioners.

Given the global importance of intellectual property (IP) and the fact
that it is apowerful economic currency, India set up IPAB in 2003 to
foster specialized and quicker IP adjudication.

"But its very structure violates basic constitutional mandates that
require us to have a fair and independent judiciary, which is free of
government influence," said one of the signatories in the petition.
The petition was filed under the aegis of a newly formed public
interest group, Promoting Public Interest Lawyering (P-PIL).

IPAB was created following the enactment of India's Trademark Law to
offset the huge pendency rates of trademark disputes at the country's
high courts.

"IPAB's structure and appointments till date make it nothing more than
a government stooge with no IP competence or independence. Many of its
orders are routinely overturned by high courts and in the last year,
almost 75% of its orders were reversed by the high court," said
Shamnad Basheer, who has promoted P-PIL for the purpose of using the
law and legal instruments for public interest causes. Basheer is a
professor of IP law at the National University of Juridical Sciencies
in Kolkata.

The lawyers group has alleged in the petition that the department of
industrial policy and promotion (DIPP), the department responsible for
patent and trademark-related policy implementation under the ministry
of commerce and industries, is the office that effectively controls
IPAB now.

DIPP joint secretary V. Bhaskar, who heads tribunal-related affairs in
the department, was not available for comments at the office. He did
not answer calls made to his cellphone on Thursday.

India's patent controller P.H. Kurian has said earlier his office made
the right decision in rejecting Gilead's application as the drug,
which was not a new invention, did not qualify for a patent protection
under Indian patent law.

But the ministry of commerce and industries duly forwarded the US
commerce secretary's letter to DIPP for action.

The key objective of the IP appellate tribunal was to have specialist
judges who would understand technical nuances of IP disputes and
render quicker and better justice. "Sadly, the IPAB has underperformed
on all counts," P-PIL says in its petition.

The government has even violated the eligibility criteria for
appointment to IPAB, the lawyers body has alleged.

"It has been crafted with a view to favouring Indian Law Service
officers... Further, none of the IPAB members who have been appointed
till date were ever known for their IP expertise prior to being
appointed to this august tribunal," Basheer said in an email
statement.

P-PIL said RTI information collected by it reveal that most of the
appointments at IPAB were made contrary to norms that require every
appointment to a tribunal to be made in consultation with at least a
high court judge.

"Tribunalization was a strategy to wrest control out of judicial hands
(high courts and the Supreme Court) and vest it in the government,"
said another lawyer, who has signed the petition. The courts have,
therefore, been very cautious on this count and insisted that any
specialist tribunal that is set up must be free of executive influence
and manned by people who are otherwise fit to be high court judges, he
said.

[socialactionfoundationforequity:12354 Prosecute Haiti's Duvalier | Violence in Tunisia

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Thousands Killed and Tortured Under Duvalier and His Tonton Macoutes

Haiti’s former dictator Jean‑Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier should be arrested and prosecuted for grave human rights violations, in addition to the corruption charges that are already being considered by local authorities.

On Sunday, Duvalier made a surprise return to Haiti from France, where he has lived in exile since 1986.

Under Duvalier and his Tonton Macoutes, a paramilitary group, thousands of Haitians were killed and tortured, and hundreds of thousands more fled into exile. Action to hold him accountable is long overdue.

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More than 100 people have died since anti-government protests began in mid-December. Many were killed by police firing into crowds, said a statement by Navi Pillay, UN high commissioner for human rights. Police have beaten and arrested scores of demonstrators. Although many have been released, the whereabouts of some remain unknown.

If the interim government fails to move quickly to investigate these incidents and to hold perpetrators accountable, the international community should initiate its own inquiry.

Since Ben Ali seized power in 1987, Tunisian authorities have tolerated little dissent. Human Rights Watch has documented how plainclothes police often subjected activists, independent journalists, and those who spoke out against the government to arrest, beatings, harassment, surveillance, and sometimes torture.

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The Chemistry of Sugar-Cane Wax. I. The Nature of Sugar-Cane Wax
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TOPIC: Landis Calls for Legalised Doping
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dfeba4a459fba8b3?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 10:09 am
From: Brad Anders

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/floyd-landis-calls-for-legalised-doping

Did we chew this over? Must have missed it.

IMO, sport needs to get out of the dope testing racket. Testing cannot
assure a "clean" sport. Instead, move to a model where you monitor
basic physiological parameters such as blood hematocrit, and establish
"healthy" limits (e.g. the "50% rule"). Better yet, establish profiles
similar to the blood passport concept. If you go outside of those
limits, you're "unhealthy" and have to sit out for X months, and can't
return until you are shown to be "healthy" again. No appeals, no
questions, you're outside, you're out as specified. No 2-year or
lifetime bans that stimulate the market for expensive and lengthy
litigation and the suspension of race results for months/years.

A more workable model would probably be a hybrid approach, where some
baseline testing for steroids, testosterone, and amphetemines is
combined with the "healthy/not healthy" approach. People will still be
able to abuse such drugs if they manage their protocols carefully, but
they won't be able to blatantly use without risk of detection. If
"healthy/not healthy" indicators for these types of drugs exist or can
be developed, then in time they can replace the raw testing approach.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 10:33 am
From: DirtRoadie

On Jan 20, 11:09 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/floyd-landis-calls-for-legalised-doping
>
> Did we chew this over? Must have missed it.
>
> IMO, sport needs to get out of the dope testing racket. Testing cannot
> assure a "clean" sport. Instead, move to a model where you monitor
> basic physiological parameters such as blood hematocrit, and establish
> "healthy" limits (e.g. the "50% rule"). Better yet, establish profiles
> similar to the blood passport concept. If you go outside of those
> limits, you're "unhealthy" and have to sit out for X months, and can't
> return until you are shown to be "healthy" again. No appeals, no
> questions, you're outside, you're out as specified. No 2-year or
> lifetime bans that stimulate the market for expensive and lengthy
> litigation and the suspension of race results for months/years.
>
> A more workable model would probably be a hybrid approach, where some
> baseline testing for steroids, testosterone, and amphetemines is
> combined with the "healthy/not healthy" approach. People will still be
> able to abuse such drugs if they manage their protocols carefully, but
> they won't be able to blatantly use without risk of detection. If
> "healthy/not healthy" indicators for these types of drugs exist or can
> be developed, then in time they can replace the raw testing approach.

One concern under a "legalized doping" system is the issue of where is
the cutoff (or IS there a cutoff) between using and not using. Is it
even possible to have such a cutoff?
Or, for example, how does one progress from junior/amateur racing
toward the pro ranks without starting some sort of doping regimen
along the way?
What's are the appropriate dosage guidelines for an upcoming teenager?
Those are rhetorical questions.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 10:37 am
From: Choppy Warburton

On Jan 20, 12:09 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/floyd-landis-calls-for-legalised-doping
>
> Did we chew this over? Must have missed it.
>
> IMO, sport needs to get out of the dope testing racket. Testing cannot
> assure a "clean" sport. Instead, move to a model where you monitor
> basic physiological parameters such as blood hematocrit, and establish
> "healthy" limits (e.g. the "50% rule"). Better yet, establish profiles
> similar to the blood passport concept. If you go outside of those
> limits, you're "unhealthy" and have to sit out for X months, and can't
> return until you are shown to be "healthy" again. No appeals, no
> questions, you're outside, you're out as specified. No 2-year or
> lifetime bans that stimulate the market for expensive and lengthy
> litigation and the suspension of race results for months/years.
>
> A more workable model would probably be a hybrid approach, where some
> baseline testing for steroids, testosterone, and amphetemines is
> combined with the "healthy/not healthy" approach. People will still be
> able to abuse such drugs if they manage their protocols carefully, but
> they won't be able to blatantly use without risk of detection. If
> "healthy/not healthy" indicators for these types of drugs exist or can
> be developed, then in time they can replace the raw testing approach.

It will never work. The charade parade we now know will continue for
all sports. Because at the end of the day it's about parents and
children and you can't have dopers serving as role models

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 11:37 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"

Brad Anders wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/floyd-landis-calls-for-legalised-doping
>
> Did we chew this over? Must have missed it.

Does he have a fred pseudonym on rbr or is he just another lurker ?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 2:40 pm
From: Brad Anders

On Jan 20, 11:37 am, Choppy Warburton <choppywarbur...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> It will never work. The charade parade we now know will continue for
> all sports. Because at the end of the day it's about parents and
> children and you can't have dopers serving as role models

Agree, though there may be hope that some marketing and PR flacks
could dress it up and sell it to the public and the IOC.

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TOPIC: Anton's Girlfriend ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0e3406291cc2b4f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 10:34 am
From: Choppy Warburton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-29OFsV5Q&feature=related

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TOPIC: Lance Saves Flood Victims while neglecting millions of others
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/574bf3b7a60fbdf5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 10:47 am
From: Choppy Warburton

Why didn't Lance help out these flood victims also? Wasn't there not
a press corp to pander a publicity stunt to ????

I am starting to suspect that Lance is just doing things to help sway
public opinion and doesn't really have any compassion to the people
that suffered from the Kyzyl-Agash Dam failure and these other floods
in 2010.

* 2010 Albania floods
* 2010 Arkansas floods
* 2010 Balkan floods
* 2010 Colombian rainy season
* 2010 Colombo floods
* 2010 Leh floods
* 2010 Milwaukee flood
* 2010 Singapore floods
* 2010 Tennessee floods
* 2010 Thai floods
* 2010 Victorian storms
* 2010 West Papua floods
* Carmen (storm)
* Winter of 2010–2011 in Europe
* 2010 north Malaysian floods
* 2010–2011 Philippine floods
* April 2010 Rio de Janeiro floods and mudslides
* Attabad Lake
* 2010 northeastern Brazil floods
* 2010 Central European floods
* 2010 China floods
* 2010 Var floods
* December 2010 Gascoyne River flood
* Iowa Flood of 2010
* January 2010 Rio de Janeiro floods and mudslides
* Kyzyl-Agash Dam failure
* Luotuoshan coal mine flood
* Lynmouth Flood
* 2010 Madeira floods and mudslides
* 2010 Pakistan floods
* March 2010 Queensland floods
* 2010–2011 Queensland floods
* 2010 Romanian floods
* September 2010 Minnesota-Wisconsin Flood
* 2010 Slovenia floods
* 2010 Ugandan landslide
* 2010 Victorian floods
* Wangjialing coal mine flood
* 2010 West African floods

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 12:33 pm
From: Plano Dude

On Jan 20, 12:47 pm, Choppy Warburton <choppywarbur...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Why didn't Lance help out these flood victims also? Wasn't there not
> a press corp to pander a publicity stunt to ????
>
> I am starting to suspect that Lance is just doing things to help sway
> public opinion and doesn't really have any compassion to the people
> that suffered from the Kyzyl-Agash Dam failure and these other floods
> in 2010.
>
> * 2010 Albania floods
> * 2010 Arkansas floods
> * 2010 Balkan floods
> * 2010 Colombian rainy season
> * 2010 Colombo floods
> * 2010 Leh floods
> * 2010 Milwaukee flood
> * 2010 Singapore floods
> * 2010 Tennessee floods
> * 2010 Thai floods
> * 2010 Victorian storms
> * 2010 West Papua floods
> * Carmen (storm)
> * Winter of 2010–2011 in Europe
> * 2010 north Malaysian floods
> * 2010–2011 Philippine floods
> * April 2010 Rio de Janeiro floods and mudslides
> * Attabad Lake
> * 2010 northeastern Brazil floods
> * 2010 Central European floods
> * 2010 China floods
> * 2010 Var floods
> * December 2010 Gascoyne River flood
> * Iowa Flood of 2010
> * January 2010 Rio de Janeiro floods and mudslides
> * Kyzyl-Agash Dam failure
> * Luotuoshan coal mine flood
> * Lynmouth Flood
> * 2010 Madeira floods and mudslides
> * 2010 Pakistan floods
> * March 2010 Queensland floods
> * 2010–2011 Queensland floods
> * 2010 Romanian floods
> * September 2010 Minnesota-Wisconsin Flood
> * 2010 Slovenia floods
> * 2010 Ugandan landslide
> * 2010 Victorian floods
> * Wangjialing coal mine flood
> * 2010 West African floods

Dumbass, the one he is helping with is on your list.

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TOPIC: Who's the Uniballer's Friend at Baxter?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2c49b27707c0016f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 11:35 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"

Brad Anders wrote:
>> Should be straightforward for the Feds to identify this "friend of
>> Lance's at Baxter" and get him/her to testify against Lance in
>> exchange for immunity.

Fred wrote:
> The Clintons had him killed. You'll never find the body.

Are the Clintons aliens ? And in that case why would an alien want a
blow job unless it was to provide deep cover.

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TOPIC: Training Cycles Question
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/07ffd8ac74bd9139?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 12:32 pm
From: "Dave Lee"

"Dave Lee" wrote in message
news:eZudnckGcMZCmbbQnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...

>Quick history. From an exercise perspective I am mostly either a runner (or
>nothing). But back in the 90's I ran into some injury problems and turned
>into a road biker (even rode in a couple of Cat IV age group events). But
>for a number of reasons that didn't last.

>Fast forward 15 years (and maybe more than 15 pounds) I am now neither a
>runner or biker (retired and a golfer which I enjoy, but ...). So I need to
>get back to a better exercise regime.

>When I was biking I spent a goodly amount of time on a traditional sport
>club magnetic exercise (upright) bike. So I am considering doing that again
>(along with some weight/kettlebell work focused on what will help my golf).
>And I am trying to make a 'spinner bike' vs. magnetic resistance bike
>decision. I have never been on a spinner, BTW.

>From my perspective the spinner is the obvious choice - it is more like a
>bike (even though I have no plans to get onto the road again). The only
>drawback to this choice is feedback. I am a goal motivated guy and can do
>well when I can measure progress - stuff like run my 6 mile route faster,
>speed on a road bike, progressive weights when lifting, etc. That works
>quite well even with moderately priced magnetic resistance bikes (time and
>power). I don't see how I can get this with a spinner as the resistance
>level is kind of unknown, although I suppose you could just mark turns on
>the resistance knob and assume that the resistance really isn't changing
>with wear over time (doubtful).

>Comments on this? My budget is not high - maybe $500.

>Thanks.

>dave

>ps. Back in 'the days' the club that I used had Lifecycle upright bikes.
>They were really nice in that the 'required power' was speed independent -
>you set a level and it took a mostly fixed level of power input to make the
>pedals turn no matter what the rpm (within limits). So you could easily
>simulate climbing, although as my fitness improved I could max the thing
>out. I won't be able to afford a magnetic device that would do that (nor
>would even a high end spinner, I assume).

I know that all of rbr has 'been on pause' awaiting the final decision of
Dave Lee, barely a former Cat IV/V road biker. So here it is.

I decided to take the 'compromise position' on an exercise bike, choosing
something halfway between ...

1) An upright magnetic resistance device (I hesitate to call it a bike) -
the advantage being quantified feedback on resistance levels, and the
disadvantage being it is not bike-like and pretty limited outside a narrow
range of pedaling (e.g. can't get out of the saddle or peddle at climbing
RPM, etc).

2) A bike and trainer - no quantifiable feedback but it obviously 'is a
bike'

So I just placed an order for a Lemond Revmaster Sport spinner bike
(obviously way out of my previously stated price range). The path to this
point was interesting. There are a bunch of previous model Revmaster's on
the used market at half or less vs. the new model. However they are TdF
'yellow jacket' yellow. So I asked my wife if she thought that it might be
worth more money to have a better color (basically black) bike in our 3rd
bedroom. And the rest is history :-)

So I am now turning control of rbr back to the masses so they can fulfill
rbr's mission of attacking/defending the credibility of Lance Armstrong.

dave

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 12:43 pm
From: Anton Berlin

On Jan 20, 2:32 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> "Dave Lee" wrote in message
>
> news:eZudnckGcMZCmbbQnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
>
>
> >Quick history. From an exercise perspective I am mostly either a runner (or
> >nothing). But back in the 90's I ran into some injury problems and turned
> >into a road biker (even rode in a couple of Cat IV age group events). But
> >for a number of reasons that didn't last.
> >Fast forward 15 years (and maybe more than 15 pounds) I am now neither a
> >runner or biker (retired and a golfer which I enjoy, but ...). So I need to
> >get back to a better exercise regime.
> >When I was biking I spent a goodly amount of time on a traditional sport
> >club magnetic exercise (upright) bike. So I am considering doing that again
> >(along with some weight/kettlebell work focused on what will help my golf).
> >And I am trying to make a 'spinner bike' vs. magnetic resistance bike
> >decision. I have never been on a spinner, BTW.
> >From my perspective the spinner is the obvious choice - it is more like a
> >bike (even though I have no plans to get onto the road again). The only
> >drawback to this choice is feedback. I am a goal motivated guy and can do
> >well when I can measure progress - stuff like run my 6 mile route faster,
> >speed on a road bike, progressive weights when lifting, etc. That works
> >quite well even with moderately priced magnetic resistance bikes (time and
> >power). I don't see how I can get this with a spinner as the resistance
> >level is kind of unknown, although I suppose you could just mark turns on
> >the resistance knob and assume that the resistance really isn't changing
> >with wear over time (doubtful).
> >Comments on this? My budget is not high - maybe $500.
> >Thanks.
> >dave
> >ps. Back in 'the days' the club that I used had Lifecycle upright bikes.
> >They were really nice in that the 'required power' was speed independent -
> >you set a level and it took a mostly fixed level of power input to make the
> >pedals turn no matter what the rpm (within limits). So you could easily
> >simulate climbing, although as my fitness improved I could max the thing
> >out. I won't be able to afford a magnetic device that would do that (nor
> >would even a high end spinner, I assume).
>
> I know that all of rbr has 'been on pause' awaiting the final decision of
> Dave Lee, barely a former Cat IV/V road biker. So here it is.
>
> I decided to take the 'compromise position' on an exercise bike, choosing
> something halfway between ...
>
> 1) An upright magnetic resistance device (I hesitate to call it a bike) -
> the advantage being quantified feedback on resistance levels, and the
> disadvantage being it is not bike-like and pretty limited outside a narrow
> range of pedaling (e.g. can't get out of the saddle or peddle at climbing
> RPM, etc).
>
> 2) A bike and trainer - no quantifiable feedback but it obviously 'is a
> bike'
>
> So I just placed an order for a Lemond Revmaster Sport spinner bike
> (obviously way out of my previously stated price range). The path to this
> point was interesting. There are a bunch of previous model Revmaster's on
> the used market at half or less vs. the new model. However they are TdF
> 'yellow jacket' yellow. So I asked my wife if she thought that it might be
> worth more money to have a better color (basically black) bike in our 3rd
> bedroom. And the rest is history :-)
>
> So I am now turning control of rbr back to the masses so they can fulfill
> rbr's mission of attacking/defending the credibility of Lance Armstrong.
>
> dave

It will be very difficult to get away using a stationary bike from an
undercover cop trying to arrest you after a drug buy.

You might want to reconsider. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX6y1AacIWY

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 12:51 pm
From: "Dave Lee"

>It will be very difficult to get away using a stationary bike from an
>undercover cop trying to arrest you after a drug buy.

>You might want to reconsider.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX6y1AacIWY

Yeah - but I ordered a special flywheel with some space in the middle so I
can hide "all my pictures" :-)

dave

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 1:51 pm
From: thirty-six

On Jan 20, 8:32 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> "Dave Lee" wrote in message
>
> news:eZudnckGcMZCmbbQnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
>
>
> >Quick history. From an exercise perspective I am mostly either a runner (or
> >nothing). But back in the 90's I ran into some injury problems and turned
> >into a road biker (even rode in a couple of Cat IV age group events). But
> >for a number of reasons that didn't last.
> >Fast forward 15 years (and maybe more than 15 pounds) I am now neither a
> >runner or biker (retired and a golfer which I enjoy, but ...). So I need to
> >get back to a better exercise regime.
> >When I was biking I spent a goodly amount of time on a traditional sport
> >club magnetic exercise (upright) bike. So I am considering doing that again
> >(along with some weight/kettlebell work focused on what will help my golf).
> >And I am trying to make a 'spinner bike' vs. magnetic resistance bike
> >decision. I have never been on a spinner, BTW.
> >From my perspective the spinner is the obvious choice - it is more like a
> >bike (even though I have no plans to get onto the road again). The only
> >drawback to this choice is feedback. I am a goal motivated guy and can do
> >well when I can measure progress - stuff like run my 6 mile route faster,
> >speed on a road bike, progressive weights when lifting, etc. That works
> >quite well even with moderately priced magnetic resistance bikes (time and
> >power). I don't see how I can get this with a spinner as the resistance
> >level is kind of unknown, although I suppose you could just mark turns on
> >the resistance knob and assume that the resistance really isn't changing
> >with wear over time (doubtful).
> >Comments on this? My budget is not high - maybe $500.
> >Thanks.
> >dave
> >ps. Back in 'the days' the club that I used had Lifecycle upright bikes.
> >They were really nice in that the 'required power' was speed independent -
> >you set a level and it took a mostly fixed level of power input to make the
> >pedals turn no matter what the rpm (within limits). So you could easily
> >simulate climbing, although as my fitness improved I could max the thing
> >out. I won't be able to afford a magnetic device that would do that (nor
> >would even a high end spinner, I assume).
>
> I know that all of rbr has 'been on pause' awaiting the final decision of
> Dave Lee, barely a former Cat IV/V road biker. So here it is.
>
> I decided to take the 'compromise position' on an exercise bike, choosing
> something halfway between ...
>
> 1) An upright magnetic resistance device (I hesitate to call it a bike) -
> the advantage being quantified feedback on resistance levels, and the
> disadvantage being it is not bike-like and pretty limited outside a narrow
> range of pedaling (e.g. can't get out of the saddle or peddle at climbing
> RPM, etc).
>
> 2) A bike and trainer - no quantifiable feedback but it obviously 'is a
> bike'
>
> So I just placed an order for a Lemond Revmaster Sport spinner bike
> (obviously way out of my previously stated price range). The path to this
> point was interesting. There are a bunch of previous model Revmaster's on
> the used market at half or less vs. the new model. However they are TdF
> 'yellow jacket' yellow. So I asked my wife if she thought that it might be
> worth more money to have a better color (basically black) bike in our 3rd
> bedroom. And the rest is history :-)
>
> So I am now turning control of rbr back to the masses so they can fulfill
> rbr's mission of attacking/defending the credibility of Lance Armstrong.
>
> dave

You mean turning the heater on full in your Mom's car has another
meaning?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 1:55 pm
From: "Dave Lee"

"thirty-six" wrote in message
news:9bfc09cf-9f32-474f-9fd5-1002ef699812@v12g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...

>You mean turning the heater on full in your Mom's car has another
>meaning?

Sorry - don't get it.

dave

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 12:42 pm
From: Plano Dude

On Jan 20, 9:45 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 10:30 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > We should all start racing the same basic bicycle,
>
> A noble thought and unfortunately one which the sponsors would kill in
> a heartbeat, but if it was good enough for Dave Stoller it should be
> good enough for anyone.
>
> R

Not sure if I agree with this, but
http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/uci-will-bankrupt-bike-makers-says-masiguy

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 12:44 pm
From: --D-y

I don't know how "sponsors" and "NJS" share the arena in Keirin, but
they apparently do.

I guess that's OK for that corner of the world but I'd rather ride a
modern bike.
--D-y

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 12:51 pm
From: Anton Berlin

> Not sure if I agree with this, buthttp://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/uci-will-bankrupt-bike-makers-says-m...

We'll get Kunich to ride a UCI approved bike and when he forkSTRONGs
it he can sue the UCI and PUT THEM out of business and be able to
afford health insurance.

It's a win - win for everyone.

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TOPIC: Latest on Jobst not so good
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2d2ed271e19bccfb?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 12:46 pm
From: "A. Dumas"

John S wrote:
> Thanks for the clarification.

You're welcome. I am an easy target for helmet trolls: helmet zealots
irk me even more than Gavia/Breukink deniers.

Don't know Jobst other than as an rb.tech pedant but I hope he does well.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 2:23 pm
From: "JS"

I ain't no helmet zealot. Used to train without one all the time in my
younger years and even as of 2 years ago on occasion. But after getting hit
by a truck and almost dying, I don't do that.

"A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote in message
news:4d389f22$0$81483$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> John S wrote:
>> Thanks for the clarification.
>
> You're welcome. I am an easy target for helmet trolls: helmet zealots irk
> me even more than Gavia/Breukink deniers.
>
> Don't know Jobst other than as an rb.tech pedant but I hope he does well.
>

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 2:28 pm
From: thirty-six

On Jan 20, 10:23 pm, "JS" <mcgyver66REM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I ain't no helmet zealot. Used to train without one all the time in my
> younger years and even as of 2 years ago on occasion. But after getting hit
> by a truck and almost dying, I don't do that.
>
> "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:4d389f22$0$81483$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>
> > John S wrote:
> >> Thanks for the clarification.
>
> > You're welcome. I am an easy target for helmet trolls: helmet zealots irk
> > me even more than Gavia/Breukink deniers.
>
> > Don't know Jobst other than as an rb.tech pedant but I hope he does well.

Stop dying and start drinking. where's it gone, where's my bottle
gone, ah. Tody, I recommend A Sotch malt whicj goes by the nwme of
Knockando.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 2:34 pm
From: thirty-six

On Jan 20, 10:28 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 10:23 pm, "JS" <mcgyver66REM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I ain't no helmet zealot. Used to train without one all the time in my
> > younger years and even as of 2 years ago on occasion. But after getting hit
> > by a truck and almost dying, I don't do that.
>
> > "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote in message
>
> >news:4d389f22$0$81483$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>
> > > John S wrote:
> > >> Thanks for the clarification.
>
> > > You're welcome. I am an easy target for helmet trolls: helmet zealots irk
> > > me even more than Gavia/Breukink deniers.
>
> > > Don't know Jobst other than as an rb.tech pedant but I hope he does well.
>
> Stop dying and start drinking. where's it gone, where's my bottle
> gone, ah. Tody, I recommend A Sotch malt whicj goes by the nwme of
> Knockando.

and a fe wbottles of Ipa , she didn't tell me her name. :-)

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 4:57 pm
From: Nagurski

On Jan 19, 11:45 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm just dropping in, when did you arrive?

Been watching the train wreck for years, participating occasionally.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: HemAssist Unlikely
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0ab8208e7cfbbbf2?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 3:35 pm
From: Anton Berlin

Even Anton thinks so.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/experts-call-armstrong-hemassist-connection-unlikely

The best reasoning is the positive EPO test in 1999 - even LA
wouldn't be stupid enough to mix unknowns.

As well we know Lance prefers testosterone and blood boosting.

HemAssist is a red herring.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: The case against Novitzky
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e9bbaf61c6803338?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 3:41 pm
From: dave a

Interesting take on the SI article

http://deadspin.com/5738218/the-case-against-the-case-against-lance-armstrong

http://tinyurl.com/4weophc

The list of PEDs is impressive. Also, what's this about an illegal raid
on a drug testing facility? "he [Novitzky] has walked all over the best
parts of the Bill of Rights in a flagrantly illegal raid of a drug
testing facility and then very likely leaked the famous names harvested
in that raid to certain eager reporters".

- dave a

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 3:48 pm
From: DirtRoadie

On Jan 20, 4:41 pm, dave a <blkcatREMOVET...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting take on the SI article
>
> http://deadspin.com/5738218/the-case-against-the-case-against-lance-a...
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4weophc
>
> The list of PEDs is impressive. Also, what's this about an illegal raid
> on a drug testing facility? "he [Novitzky] has walked all over the best
> parts of the Bill of Rights in a flagrantly illegal raid of a drug
> testing facility and then very likely leaked the famous names harvested
> in that raid to certain eager reporters".
>
> - dave a

In the same vein (no pun intended):

http://yhoo.it/eN7QQ1

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alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 26 new messages in 5 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Deion Branch = putz - 12 messages, 7 authors
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* FBI arrests 100 Jets fans.... - 10 messages, 7 authors
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* Things I enjoyed seeing... - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Why The Jets Are The Classiest Organization In All Of Sports - 1 messages, 1
author
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* Jason Taylor - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Deion Branch = putz
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/cf94088b9782ddda?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 10:50 am
From: Michael

On Jan 20, 1:43 pm, John Vamp <jvampate...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 12:40 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > That said, Branch may indeed be a putz and I don't understand why he's
> > > talking about the Jets.
>
> > Branch is a great player but he should shut his pie hole & Pryce
> > should ignore him. He probably isn't used to losing.
>
> If I was Branch, I wouldn't say what he said. But Tutor is wrong to
> suggest that somehow Branch needs to earn a seat at the discussion
> table by "beating Revis" or some other nonsense. Dude is a Super Bowl
> MVP.
>
> > > > Branch would have to fight to become the #3 WR on the Jets. In fact
> > > > Cotchery is better than Branch. Certainly was when it counted.
>
> > > Cotchery is a really good receiver. The Jets have an excellent
> > > receiving corps...I don't think anybody could argue that point.
>
> > I would take Branch all day. Maybe he can do like Jason Taylor &
> > finish up with us.
>
> I'm very happy with Branch, as is Brady. Not sure he'd trade Branch
> for any of the Jets' WR (even though I think Holmes is better).

what did branch do for them last week ??? edwards and santonio had a
second year qb throwing to them and they made huge plays. branch
dropped a big pass and had one pulled away by revis...

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 11:04 am
From: Tutor

On Jan 20, 12:40 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > That said, Branch may indeed be a putz and I don't understand why he's
> > talking about the Jets.
>
> Branch is a great player but he should shut his pie hole & Pryce
> should ignore him. He probably isn't used to losing.
>
>
>
> > > Branch would have to fight to become the #3 WR on the Jets. In fact
> > > Cotchery is better than Branch. Certainly was when it counted.
>
> > Cotchery is a really good receiver. The Jets have an excellent
> > receiving corps...I don't think anybody could argue that point.
>
> I would take Branch all day. Maybe he can do like Jason Taylor &
> finish up with us.

Branch hasn't done shit since his earlier days with Brady. Color me
unimpressed. I think he is vastly over rated.

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 11:08 am
From: Tutor

he obviously didn't play against Revis in that SB. And that's ancient
history anyway. What has Branch done since? He was atrocious away
from the Pats. Probably can't and won't have sucess anywhere else.

Yeah... he needs to get more than 8 yards in a playoff game before he
starts opening his mouth. Ex superbowl MVP or not.

On Jan 20, 12:08 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> he obviously didn't play against Revis in that SB.

Please, get off his sack.

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 11:23 am
From: Michael

On Jan 20, 2:04 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 12:40 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > That said, Branch may indeed be a putz and I don't understand why he's
> > > talking about the Jets.
>
> > Branch is a great player but he should shut his pie hole & Pryce
> > should ignore him. He probably isn't used to losing.
>
> > > > Branch would have to fight to become the #3 WR on the Jets. In fact
> > > > Cotchery is better than Branch. Certainly was when it counted.
>
> > > Cotchery is a really good receiver. The Jets have an excellent
> > > receiving corps...I don't think anybody could argue that point.
>
> > I would take Branch all day. Maybe he can do like Jason Taylor &
> > finish up with us.
>
> Branch hasn't done shit since his earlier days with Brady. Color me
> unimpressed. I think he is vastly over rated.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i thought i was watching galloway

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 11:35 am
From: John C TX

X-No-Archive: Yes

> Please see Seattle Seahawks W-L record, 2008 and 2009.

touche

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 1:16 pm
From: MZ

On Jan 20, 2:08 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 1:43 pm, John Vamp <jvampate...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 20, 12:40 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > That said, Branch may indeed be a putz and I don't understand why he's
> > > > talking about the Jets.
>
> > > Branch is a great player but he should shut his pie hole & Pryce
> > > should ignore him. He probably isn't used to losing.
>
> > If I was Branch, I wouldn't say what he said. But Tutor is wrong to
> > suggest that somehow Branch needs to earn a seat at the discussion
> > table by "beating Revis" or some other nonsense. Dude is a Super Bowl
> > MVP.
>
> > > > > Branch would have to fight to become the #3 WR on the Jets. In fact
> > > > > Cotchery is better than Branch. Certainly was when it counted.
>
> > > > Cotchery is a really good receiver. The Jets have an excellent
> > > > receiving corps...I don't think anybody could argue that point.
>
> > > I would take Branch all day. Maybe he can do like Jason Taylor &
> > > finish up with us.
>
> > I'm very happy with Branch, as is Brady. Not sure he'd trade Branch
> > for any of the Jets' WR (even though I think Holmes is better).
>
> he obviously didn't play against Revis in that SB. And that's ancient
> history anyway. What has Branch done since? He was atrocious away
> from the Pats. Probably can't and won't have sucess anywhere else.
>
> Yeah... he needs to get more than 8 yards in a playoff game before he
> starts opening his mouth. Ex superbowl MVP or not.

As John already explained, he's done more in the playoffs at his
position than most players in the league. He's earned the right to
talk about super bowls. Just as Brady has. How many super bowls did
Brady win while Branch was in Seattle? So would you say the same
about Brady?

Also, even though Revis shut down Branch for most of that game (as he
does to every receiver), dude still had a TD. He wasn't exactly
worthless in this game. You guys can't talk about Revis being the
best CB in the league and then call the guy he covers a bum. Yes,
Revis is going to shut guys down. That's what he does. Doesn't mean
Branch sucks, it means that Revis is quite possibly on his way to
being the best CB to ever play the game.

So, if Branch is so terrible, why did Rex feel that Revis should be on
Branch for just about the whole game?

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 1:31 pm
From: Michael

On Jan 20, 4:16 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2:08 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 20, 1:43 pm, John Vamp <jvampate...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 20, 12:40 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > > That said, Branch may indeed be a putz and I don't understand why he's
> > > > > talking about the Jets.
>
> > > > Branch is a great player but he should shut his pie hole & Pryce
> > > > should ignore him. He probably isn't used to losing.
>
> > > If I was Branch, I wouldn't say what he said. But Tutor is wrong to
> > > suggest that somehow Branch needs to earn a seat at the discussion
> > > table by "beating Revis" or some other nonsense. Dude is a Super Bowl
> > > MVP.
>
> > > > > > Branch would have to fight to become the #3 WR on the Jets. In fact
> > > > > > Cotchery is better than Branch. Certainly was when it counted.
>
> > > > > Cotchery is a really good receiver. The Jets have an excellent
> > > > > receiving corps...I don't think anybody could argue that point.
>
> > > > I would take Branch all day. Maybe he can do like Jason Taylor &
> > > > finish up with us.
>
> > > I'm very happy with Branch, as is Brady. Not sure he'd trade Branch
> > > for any of the Jets' WR (even though I think Holmes is better).
>
> > he obviously didn't play against Revis in that SB. And that's ancient
> > history anyway. What has Branch done since? He was atrocious away
> > from the Pats. Probably can't and won't have sucess anywhere else.
>
> > Yeah... he needs to get more than 8 yards in a playoff game before he
> > starts opening his mouth. Ex superbowl MVP or not.
>
> As John already explained, he's done more in the playoffs at his
> position than most players in the league. He's earned the right to
> talk about super bowls. Just as Brady has. How many super bowls did
> Brady win while Branch was in Seattle? So would you say the same
> about Brady?
>
> Also, even though Revis shut down Branch for most of that game (as he
> does to every receiver), dude still had a TD. He wasn't exactly
> worthless in this game. You guys can't talk about Revis being the
> best CB in the league and then call the guy he covers a bum. Yes,
> Revis is going to shut guys down. That's what he does. Doesn't mean
> Branch sucks, it means that Revis is quite possibly on his way to
> being the best CB to ever play the game.
>
> So, if Branch is so terrible, why did Rex feel that Revis should be on
> Branch for just about the whole game?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

revis was on branch most if the time because branch is their # 1 WR
for lack of a better guy to call a #1 WR. #1 CB on #1 WR. No rocket
science there. What ever Branch was gonna do in football, he's
already done it... He's a retread now.

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 1:39 pm
From: nomdeveritas@webtv.net (Tristan daCunha)

Hey Deion....<sob><sniff><pull our finger>
<Fool ! >

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 3:33 pm
From: MuahMan

He's probably annoyed with the Jets as much as the rest of the
country. They talk like they've actually won something... EVER. The
Jets are a shitstain to the NFL, while the Patriots are the model
franchise. The franchise every single team wants to emulate.

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 3:35 pm
From: MuahMan

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 3:41 pm
From: Michael

On Jan 20, 6:33 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He's probably annoyed with the Jets as much as the rest of the
> country. They talk like they've actually won something... EVER. The
> Jets are a shitstain to the NFL, while the Patriots are the model
> franchise. The franchise every single team wants to emulate.

just what every team wants... a legacy as a cheater

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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 11:02 am
From: Tutor

On Jan 20, 1:45 pm, Beiselbub© <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/20/new-yorks-biggest-mafia-bust-fbi-...
>
> The fans in question were arrested for allegedly talking trash,
> threatening to put hits on people. A spokesman for the FBI said, "win
> something first."

huh? Did you think for a second that this was funny? Don't quit yer
day job. Assuming you even have a job.

Where the fuck did the trolls who were truly funny go? This bunch is
just humorless and well... stupid. Sorry, but the truth hurts.

On Jan 20, 12:02 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 1:45 pm, Beiselbub© <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/20/new-yorks-biggest-mafia-bust-fbi-...
>
> > The fans in question were arrested for allegedly talking trash,
> > threatening to put hits on people. A spokesman for the FBI said, "win
> > something first."
>
> huh? Did you think for a second that this was funny? Don't quit yer
> day job. Assuming you even have a job.
>
> Where the fuck did the trolls who were truly funny go? This bunch is
> just humorless and well... stupid. Sorry, but the truth hurts.

Lame.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 11:53 am
From: Michael

not your best work, trollsebub

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 12:14 pm
From: "Parker Race"

"Beiselbub©" <yank_ees_suck@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7fcc7e7f-af4c-46ad-8969-6c4a0307b786@q8g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 20, 12:02 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 1:45 pm, Beiselbub© <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/20/new-yorks-biggest-mafia-bust-fbi-...
>
> > The fans in question were arrested for allegedly talking trash,
> > threatening to put hits on people. A spokesman for the FBI said, "win
> > something first."
>
> huh? Did you think for a second that this was funny? Don't quit yer
> day job. Assuming you even have a job.
>
> Where the fuck did the trolls who were truly funny go? This bunch is
> just humorless and well... stupid. Sorry, but the truth hurts.

>>Lame.

Yes, your attempt at humor was lame and I'm a Giants fan!

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 1:45 pm
From: John C TX

X-No-Archive: Yes

> not your best work, trollsebub

Don't engage the prat unless he is writing about football.

On Jan 20, 1:14 pm, "Parker Race" <parker.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> your attempt at humor was lame and I'm a Giants fan!

Well, that clinches it. Nothing screams "discerning judgment" like
the decision to be a Giants fan....

Still waiting on your pick, Tex.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 2:59 pm
From: "Parker Race"

On Jan 20, 1:14 pm, "Parker Race" <parker.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> your attempt at humor was lame and I'm a Giants fan!

>>Well, that clinches it. Nothing screams "discerning judgment" like
>>the decision to be a Giants fan....

It wasn't a decision I was born a Giants fan as was my son. It's a family
tradition.
So Patriots fans are somehow better than fans of other teams?
The smugness hasn't helped much in the playoffs lately.
Manhandled and out coached by NY teams in 2007 and now 2010.
How does it feel?

On Jan 20, 3:59 pm, "Parker Race" <parkerdoesntr...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
> How does it feel?

Are you serious? We won three SBs in this decade, four AFC
championships, won the division 8 out of the last 11 years, and our QB
*isn't* Eli Manning; it feels great, especially that last part.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 3:30 pm
From: MuahMan

On Jan 20, 6:23 pm, Beiselbub© <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 3:59 pm, "Parker Race" <parkerdoesntr...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > How does it feel?
>
> Are you serious? We won three SBs in this decade, four AFC
> championships, won the division 8 out of the last 11 years, and our QB
> *isn't* Eli Manning; it feels great, especially that last part.

lol

Not to mention we don't need two teams in the NFL. If NY throws enough
shit at the wall.......

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 11:44 am
From: John C TX

X-No-Archive: Yes
> But remember, with the rule of 4 we have to lose a player like Feeley to
> get a player like Jason Taylor.
>
> Unless the new CBA does away with this rule, we will be hamstrung in fA.

That was only put in place for this year because it was an uncapped
year. There will be a new CBA or no season anyway.
>
> Trades for players with damaged goods (like Santonio and Cro) and an
> first and a third are our main hopes. Remember our 1st is like a 2nd and
> our 3rd is like a 4th.
>
> Tanny is going to have to find players under mushrooms as the penalty
> for all his success.
>
> h

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 11:59 am
From: nomdeveritas@webtv.net (Tristan daCunha)

Tell it Grinch: Pats are front running wusses! Havin' another Pats'
pity party!
Wahhhhhh,wahhhhhh, WAHHHHHH!!!!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 4:06 pm
From: Keith Keller

On 2011-01-20, mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 8:38�pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why doesn't everyone love the dude?
>
> I don't post for anyone but myself.
>
> What I post is for my amusement only.

You must be easily amused!

--keith

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 4:15 pm
From: buRford

On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:52:03 -0800 (PST), John C TX <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:

>X-No-Archive: Yes
>> Nope... it sounds strange, but it's possible JT just said *this is my last season... I've
>> never been this close... I'm playing... I'll sign a waiver taking full responsibility.*
>> It is weird.
>
>They clear these guys quickly. I am not a doc but my training lists 3
>grades. My bet because it kicked in later it was probably Level 1 but
>it isn't like pregnancy test. Woodhead's concussion at the end of the
>year would have kept him off a rugby field with most pro teams for 21
>days.
>
>It really is scary stuff. Trainers at the HS level are good but with
>coaches it varies.
>
>http://tbi.unl.edu/savedTBI/sports/grades.html
>

It is scary. I had 3 or 4 concussions, when I was young... and ya see how I turned out ;)
But seriously, I can still remember the strange state of consciousess I was in. You're
just not all there, and ya just feel weird. I don't care whatever the grade, it's a
trauma to the brain, and nobody is ready to be very active, let alone be playing such a
physical/violent game, after a few days.

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