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Today's topics:
* A Coaching Failure of Monumental Proportions - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e487d5ff4466b3bf?hl=en
* On the lighter side... - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/87168ba1ffb673b3?hl=en
* It could happen. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/967e666ad2afaf8a?hl=en
* Whichever Team Wins the Lombardi - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1ffc6864d8dfc948?hl=en
* Steeler coaching staff and FO worried - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/05b30b63d232c1f0?hl=en
* Why The Jets Are The Classiest Organization In All Of Sports - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a910fe314986cdbc?hl=en
* Sanchez looks relaxed... Friday's Presser... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/499feee0b6f64e4a?hl=en
* Deion Branch = putz - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/cf94088b9782ddda?hl=en
* John Stewart consoles Pats - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/28a2765a20d9c2f6?hl=en
* Bitter Cold Snap to Hit Pittsburgh Sunday - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1f58ba62f1038db9?hl=en
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TOPIC: A Coaching Failure of Monumental Proportions
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e487d5ff4466b3bf?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 1:41 pm
From: Copp
So now we learn that Brady had a bad foot all along.
So did anyone on the coaching staff consider it might
be a good idea to have a run game in place in case
Brady got hurt and was even less mobile? Or if he
was put out of the game altogether and Hoyer had
to come in (Miami blitzed the crap out of him in
the first series he came in in the last game of
the season). But even without the foot injury,
didn't anyone anticipate the Jets would flood
the backfield? On some plays the Jets had only
3 or even 2 men on the line, ripe for exploitation
by quick-hitters with the running backs.
All in all, this one is on Belichick. Yes, the
play that blew the game was the 58 yarder made
out of a 4 yard pass play by Cotchery, but the
Patriots could have had the lead by that time.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 2:39 pm
From: Husky
On Jan 21, 4:41 pm, Copp <cr79...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So now we learn that Brady had a bad foot all along.
> So did anyone on the coaching staff consider it might
> be a good idea to have a run game in place in case
> Brady got hurt and was even less mobile? Or if he
> was put out of the game altogether and Hoyer had
> to come in (Miami blitzed the crap out of him in
> the first series he came in in the last game of
> the season). But even without the foot injury,
> didn't anyone anticipate the Jets would flood
> the backfield? On some plays the Jets had only
> 3 or even 2 men on the line, ripe for exploitation
> by quick-hitters with the running backs.
>
> All in all, this one is on Belichick. Yes, the
> play that blew the game was the 58 yarder made
> out of a 4 yard pass play by Cotchery, but the
> Patriots could have had the lead by that time.
Like Ron Borges wrote, in most positions, the Jets did have the better
players at most position.
That Pats team was an over achiever if you take the Vegas O/U on
season wins for them at 9.5.
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TOPIC: On the lighter side...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/87168ba1ffb673b3?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 1:52 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > It was interesting to watch FX on the NFL network when Ryan told
> > Callahan run the damn ball. My worry is not about losing Schott but
> > losing Callahan as the OL coach. He is listed as OL assistant head
> > coach so I wonder if that precludes him from getting a job as an OC?
> > Callahan is apparently capable as an OL coach & may be critical to
> > Schott & Ryan.
>
> I would guess Callahan moves to OC.
I assume you mean the Jets. You think they don't sign Schott and let
him move on or that schott gets a HC gig?
Financially it would make sense as Schott is making $2MM. W/O
beating that dead horse about Schott's abilities Callahan & Rex are
probably closer to being on the same page.
A lot of guys first thought is financial...I think win loss and the future.
It seems as though Callahan has been calling a lot of the shots (no pun).
So IF, Schott gets a job I think Callahan would be a logical choice to
takeover the job...however, I do not think Schott will get a job, nobody has
asked permission to talk to him and I do not think the Jets / Woody / Rex
will get rid of him. I think he is going to become a very highly paid asst.
coach while more and more of the offense falls to other people. To me, the
designation of Asst. HC on Callahan says a WHOLE LOT. I would seem logical
to me that Schott's job has been altered in some way.....what was far more
interesting to me on that FX thing was Schott turning to Rex in a critical
situation to see what HE wanted done? And Rex looking right to Sanchez and
seeminly giving him the go ahead to throw it. I also find it a little
strange (only because I'm old school) that the OC is on the field and not in
the box where he can see all the things a D is doing and plan his attack.
That tells me he has a more scripted approach. Schott will most likely be
with the Jets in the future I would guess.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 1:53 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 1:07 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > It was interesting to watch FX on the NFL network when Ryan told
> > > Callahan run the damn ball. My worry is not about losing Schott but
> > > losing Callahan as the OL coach. He is listed as OL assistant head
> > > coach so I wonder if that precludes him from getting a job as an OC?
> > > Callahan is apparently capable as an OL coach & may be critical to
> > > Schott & Ryan.
>
> > I would guess Callahan moves to OC.
>
> I assume you mean the Jets. You think they don't sign Schott and let
> him move on or that schott gets a HC gig?
>
> Financially it would make sense as Schott is making $2MM. W/O
> beating that dead horse about Schott's abilities Callahan & Rex are
> probably closer to being on the same page.
i hope callahan gets the OC spot... in this case, the devil that i
hardly know is better than the one i know all too well...
That devil yo hardly know may have been the one calling a lot of the plays
:-)
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 2:45 pm
From: Michael
On Jan 21, 4:53 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:6a6173a8-b17a-462b-8df1-a41bd1619d11@fx12g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 21, 1:07 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > It was interesting to watch FX on the NFL network when Ryan told
> > > > Callahan run the damn ball. My worry is not about losing Schott but
> > > > losing Callahan as the OL coach. He is listed as OL assistant head
> > > > coach so I wonder if that precludes him from getting a job as an OC?
> > > > Callahan is apparently capable as an OL coach & may be critical to
> > > > Schott & Ryan.
>
> > > I would guess Callahan moves to OC.
>
> > I assume you mean the Jets. You think they don't sign Schott and let
> > him move on or that schott gets a HC gig?
>
> > Financially it would make sense as Schott is making $2MM. W/O
> > beating that dead horse about Schott's abilities Callahan & Rex are
> > probably closer to being on the same page.
>
> i hope callahan gets the OC spot... in this case, the devil that i
> hardly know is better than the one i know all too well...
>
> That devil yo hardly know may have been the one calling a lot of the plays
> :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
post 2'nd miami... yes... might have been... marked changes in the
offense post 2'nd miami... and i loved it.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 6:52 pm
From: Johnny Morongo
On Jan 20, 5:06 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Looks like Rex wants Schott gone.
> He's using his reverse psychological, mindmeld, voodoo stuff, on some rube GM looking for
> a head coach.
> I mean, he got Welker to get himself in BB's crosshairs... now this:
>
> From a tweet Jane McManus posted on ESPN's local Jets blog...
>
> @janesports: Rex Ryan lauds Brian Schottenheimer, said he doesn't expect to have him as OC
> next year because he's ready for an OC who actually knows what he's doing.
>
> ;)
FIXED IT!
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TOPIC: It could happen.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/967e666ad2afaf8a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 2:26 pm
From: Husky
On Jan 21, 2:18 pm, "Ravnsfan " <A FART IN THE WIND>> wrote:
> "Husky" <cyns...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:42e799bf-ea9e-4ae7-953c-9f76983e35fd@f20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 19, 6:04 pm, "Ravnsfan " <A FART IN THE WIND> wrote:
>
> > Ride the baloney pony, husky! More doughnut holes for you!
>
> > (husky is a nickname for an obese lardass)
>
> > ~drew
> > Sonny, you really SUCK at trolling.
>
> Give it up, we're done.
>
> I know, now STFU you'll never be the man your mother is husky lardass!
Wow, it took you 2 whole days to come up with that one, eh Sparky?
As long as I'm man enough for your mom, I'm ok. BTW, The Party is
tonight, and like I said, everyone is Coming.
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TOPIC: Whichever Team Wins the Lombardi
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1ffc6864d8dfc948?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 2:27 pm
From: Harlan Lachman
If I am right, the Owners are hoping to gut the union with a lock out
and everything is just posturing. The players are right about the TV
deal and the collusion on salaries. But so what. By the time it is all
resolved, if it is...
That means, who ever hoists the Lombardi may be the last team to hoist
one for awhile. Letting the owners play with their toys like the kid in
the Nissan commercial who destroys his cars could end up killing or at
least severely damaging the golden goose. Look forward to a 20 game
season, rookie caps, hiding more money from the pool and giving less of
the pie to the players, more restrictions on FA (as a "hidden"
cost-cutting move to restrict demand), and maybe even playoff games
overseas.
Imagine if we do win. It will shock the football world so much they shut
down the candy store.
harlan
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TOPIC: Steeler coaching staff and FO worried
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/05b30b63d232c1f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 3:31 pm
From: Percy Flage
On Jan 21, 8:48 pm, Keith Keller <kkeller-use...@wombat.san-
francisco.ca.us> wrote:
> On 2011-01-21, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nivTJpEnYw0
>
> Yeah, the first 2 billion of these mashups were sort of funny, but I
> think it's slightly overdone now. Next thing you know someone will
> mashup Hitler complaining about the German front lines in the
> Austro-Prussian War.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s7dXMuAPo
This one made me chortle.
--
Percy Flage
Life's too short to watch all the Hitler Downfall parodies.
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TOPIC: Why The Jets Are The Classiest Organization In All Of Sports
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 6:14 pm
From: Beiselbub©
On Jan 19, 6:38 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why doesn't everyone love the dude?
>
> Funny and your weird way of delivering a compliment. The Pats secret
> ng lost quite a bit when they boxed you out.
Because he is a racist? The post that got him booted had something to
do with mocking a model who committed suicide. I know here in this
group that's considered being "classy"....
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 7:24 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"
On Jan 21, 9:14 pm, Beiselbub© <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The post that got him booted had something to
> do with mocking a model who committed suicide. I know here in this
> group that's considered being "classy"....
It was 46 fucking years ago and her name was Marilyn Monroe!!!!
Get over it Gramps!!!
mr dude (wonders why these old people can't learn to die quicker and
with their mouths shut)
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TOPIC: Sanchez looks relaxed... Friday's Presser...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/499feee0b6f64e4a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 7:57 pm
From: buRford
Just watched today's Sanchez' Presser.
Looks relaxed, and ready to play, although he seemed liked he wished he wasn't there ;)
He seems to have his head on straight...
http://ur.ly/BUCa
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 8:17 pm
From: JO FOX
buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in
news:d9lkj65bj5e3u3kqctt3vnf0bpo1v48g9t@4ax.com:
> Just watched today's Sanchez' Presser.
> Looks relaxed, and ready to play, although he seemed liked he wished
> he wasn't there ;) He seems to have his head on straight...
>
> http://ur.ly/BUCa
REX-BABY just gave him a TOEJOB
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TOPIC: Deion Branch = putz
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 7:59 pm
From: buRford
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:07:48 -0500, "JMac" <a@b.com> wrote:
>
>"John Vamp" <jvampatella@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:17450a8a-6fa6-4e0a-8dd4-7b812fdd64e7@z19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>On Jan 20, 7:17 pm, Hammer <stuart.feldha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 5) Finally, the fact that the Pats' recent successes have attracted
>> the worst kind of fans - fair weather fans who have probably never
>> heard of players like Steve Grogan or Tony Eason. Idiotic, obnoxious
>> fans who think they're special because the team they root for is
>> successful, even though they probably started rooting for the team
>> because of the successes. Young arrogant moronic fans.
>
>(1) When the Jets sucked in 1989 and 90, for example, they drew an
>average of 53 and 57k in attendance. Last year they drew 77k on
>average. Where the heck did those extra 20+ thousand people come
>from?
>
>(2) Do you realize that the Pats' current sellout streak began in
>1994, a year they started out 3-6, and 7 years before Brady led this
>team to a Super Bowl title? Do you realize they still sold out during
>the lousy 1995 season (6-10), the two mediocre seasons of 1998 and
>1999 (9-7 and 8-8, respectively), and the really bad 2000 season (5-11
>with Belichick as HC)? In other words, they sold out every game for
>years long before their "recent success", even during seasons when the
>team was nothing more than a giant pile of elephant dung.
>
>In other words, you might want to check your facts before you say too
>many things that..well...don't look too good.
>
>
>
>You're comparing attendance records for one team (Jets) with tickets
>sales for another (Pats). The "FACT" is that the Jets have sold out
>every single game since they moved to the Meadowlands in 1984 (and
>quite a few years before that at Shea). Attendance and ticket sales
>are two completely different issues, but don't let that get in the way
>of your argument.
>
>JMac
>
>
Wow... someone's slummin' it ;)
Been a while, how things been?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 10:08 pm
From: "JMac"
"John Vamp" <jvampatella@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 7:07 am, "JMac" <a...@b.com> wrote:
> "John Vamp" <jvampate...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:17450a8a-6fa6-4e0a-8dd4-7b812fdd64e7@z19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 20, 7:17 pm, Hammer <stuart.feldha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 5) Finally, the fact that the Pats' recent successes have
> > attracted
> > the worst kind of fans - fair weather fans who have probably never
> > heard of players like Steve Grogan or Tony Eason. Idiotic,
> > obnoxious
> > fans who think they're special because the team they root for is
> > successful, even though they probably started rooting for the team
> > because of the successes. Young arrogant moronic fans.
>
> (1) When the Jets sucked in 1989 and 90, for example, they drew an
> average of 53 and 57k in attendance. Last year they drew 77k on
> average. Where the heck did those extra 20+ thousand people come
> from?
>
> (2) Do you realize that the Pats' current sellout streak began in
> 1994, a year they started out 3-6, and 7 years before Brady led this
> team to a Super Bowl title? Do you realize they still sold out
> during
> the lousy 1995 season (6-10), the two mediocre seasons of 1998 and
> 1999 (9-7 and 8-8, respectively), and the really bad 2000 season
> (5-11
> with Belichick as HC)? In other words, they sold out every game for
> years long before their "recent success", even during seasons when
> the
> team was nothing more than a giant pile of elephant dung.
>
> In other words, you might want to check your facts before you say
> too
> many things that..well...don't look too good.
>
> You're comparing attendance records for one team (Jets) with tickets
> sales for another (Pats). The "FACT" is that the Jets have sold out
> every single game since they moved to the Meadowlands in 1984 (and
> quite a few years before that at Shea). Attendance and ticket sales
> are two completely different issues, but don't let that get in the
> way
> of your argument.
>
> JMac
The two links I posted both list "attendance". I've never ever seen
any information that shows that the Jets have had a consecutive
sellout streak as far back as you say. Can you provide a link with
that information?
John,
I can't say for sure how accurate this info is, but I can't remember
the last time a home game was blacked out for either NY football team
(though I don't think a 100% sellout is required to avoid a blackout).
According to this source, as of 2008, the Jets had sold out 257
consecutive games to the Pats' 159. In any event, it's pretty clear
that Jets' fans are as loyal as any; perhaps more than most, given the
team's history.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_NFL_team_has_the_longest_sell_out_streak
JMac
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 10:11 pm
From: "JMac"
"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
news:mglkj61ne660q4psbscgr4l0vnabtrs25s@4ax.com...
| On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:07:48 -0500, "JMac" <a@b.com> wrote:
|
| >
| >"John Vamp" <jvampatella@gmail.com> wrote in message
|
>news:17450a8a-6fa6-4e0a-8dd4-7b812fdd64e7@z19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
| >On Jan 20, 7:17 pm, Hammer <stuart.feldha...@gmail.com> wrote:
| >
| >> 5) Finally, the fact that the Pats' recent successes have
attracted
| >> the worst kind of fans - fair weather fans who have probably
never
| >> heard of players like Steve Grogan or Tony Eason. Idiotic,
obnoxious
| >> fans who think they're special because the team they root for is
| >> successful, even though they probably started rooting for the
team
| >> because of the successes. Young arrogant moronic fans.
| >
| >(1) When the Jets sucked in 1989 and 90, for example, they drew an
| >average of 53 and 57k in attendance. Last year they drew 77k on
| >average. Where the heck did those extra 20+ thousand people come
| >from?
| >
| >(2) Do you realize that the Pats' current sellout streak began in
| >1994, a year they started out 3-6, and 7 years before Brady led
this
| >team to a Super Bowl title? Do you realize they still sold out
during
| >the lousy 1995 season (6-10), the two mediocre seasons of 1998 and
| >1999 (9-7 and 8-8, respectively), and the really bad 2000 season
(5-11
| >with Belichick as HC)? In other words, they sold out every game
for
| >years long before their "recent success", even during seasons when
the
| >team was nothing more than a giant pile of elephant dung.
| >
| >In other words, you might want to check your facts before you say
too
| >many things that..well...don't look too good.
| >
| >
| >
| >You're comparing attendance records for one team (Jets) with
tickets
| >sales for another (Pats). The "FACT" is that the Jets have sold
out
| >every single game since they moved to the Meadowlands in 1984 (and
| >quite a few years before that at Shea). Attendance and ticket
sales
| >are two completely different issues, but don't let that get in the
way
| >of your argument.
| >
| >JMac
| >
| >
|
| Wow... someone's slummin' it ;)
| Been a while, how things been?
It has been a while, burf. I've had a tough couple of years
personally, but I do lurk from time to time. I guess this year's
success has inspired me to share some of my *cough* insight. I'm
thinking we need to consider a newsgroup Bowl party if we make it
through the weekend. Whaddya think?
JMac
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TOPIC: John Stewart consoles Pats
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 8:07 pm
From: buRford
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:19:34 -0500, "JMac" <a@b.com> wrote:
>|
>| Yeah, I know that's a biggie.
>| If not for going to Jets games with my dad, as a kid, I probably
>would nver have gotten to
>| know him, since he worked endlessly. All the other sports I used to
>follow, I've lost
>| interest in, over the years... but, not the Jets. Part of the
>reason I've put myself
>| through this mush, staying a Jets fan all these years, is as a
>result of that... just
>| another thing keeping my dad alive inside me.
>|
>| >
>
>I know the feeling, burf. My Dad and I made nearly every game from
>1976 through 2001, when his illness made it impossible for him to
>attend. I still occasionally feel odd showing up without him.
>
>JMac
>
>
John... I knew you'd show yourself at some point ;)
I imagine that if the Jets win it, a lot of us will have similar memories of our Dad's, &
the Jets. It'll be emotional on so many levels. Heck, I may sneak into the cemetery at
night, and paint his stone green. Then again, since you mentioned odd, I probably won't
;)
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TOPIC: Bitter Cold Snap to Hit Pittsburgh Sunday
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 8:29 pm
From: 6
On Jan 21, 1:33 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Black Democrat Baby Killer" wrote in messagenews:ADi_o.366$gx6.334@newsfe22.iad...
>
> http://www.accuweather.com/us/pa/pittsburgh/15201/forecast-weekends.asp
>
> Wind Chill Below 0 For game
>
> Wow. It will be the frozen tundra for sure. Ice Bowl II.
>
> Black and Yellow! Black and Yellow!
Now go to the Jets, Bears, and Packers NGs and root for them too, like
a good troll.
Oh, and here's this from May 2010:
"I would prefer to keep all Super Bowls somewhere in the South. I
don't want to play anywhere where it's cold." --- Santonio Holmes
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