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Today's topics:
* I tossed a softball on Greg and nobody's swinging? - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f4a7f041c71016e6?hl=en
* when do you know it's over? - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a1fb579eea03225d?hl=en
* Bobridge: pas naturellement? - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0f14d2004f3dbf51?hl=en
* Finally found a racing result for the new resident dope fiend - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/64754facc3436252?hl=en
* I'm going to start accelerating in turns! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c9bc8a59ae3b5760?hl=en
* Update on Jobst - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f5c45306b0d64b00?hl=en
* Basson on doping, life & the Universe - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/91d3dfdb97bd65af?hl=en
* N7LA - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/716b4c1663032b0d?hl=en
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TOPIC: I tossed a softball on Greg and nobody's swinging?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f4a7f041c71016e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 9:18 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:46f2d968-4fa0-4162-81ae-52fd619ad912@f18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 12:20 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "Simply Fred" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jutk18-jf4.ln1@donald.homeip.net...
>
> > rickhopkins wrote:
> >> I might also add to Anton's thoughtful list, Mike is very much in
> >> love
> >> with himself (can we say narcissists, can of like Palin) - not sure
> >> anyone else is, so I think Mike probably beats off like a fiend.
>
> > Training alone is the key to success.
>
> Isn't Greg LeMond proof that's not true?
=========
Greg should have been hunting alone.
R
=========
Nobody taking the bait?
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 9:49 am
From: Anton Berlin
On Feb 2, 11:18 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:46f2d968-4fa0-4162-81ae-52fd619ad912@f18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 2, 12:20 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> wrote:> "Simply Fred" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:jutk18-jf4.ln1@donald.homeip.net...
>
> > > rickhopkins wrote:
> > >> I might also add to Anton's thoughtful list, Mike is very much in
> > >> love
> > >> with himself (can we say narcissists, can of like Palin) - not sure
> > >> anyone else is, so I think Mike probably beats off like a fiend.
>
> > > Training alone is the key to success.
>
> > Isn't Greg LeMond proof that's not true?
>
> =========
> Greg should have been hunting alone.
>
> R
> =========
>
> Nobody taking the bait?
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
OK - I'll take a stab at it.
Not necessarily true, according to research and studies of hunter
gatherer societies hunting is universally more successful in groups
than those that hunt alone.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/3781522
This is also true in the animal kingdom for a wide variety or
species.
But I fail to see any humor in this.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 11:50 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
No no no, you don't understand how radio works!!! (Amazingly, many here will
get that reference, but likely to smart enough to not betray themselves)
When I responded to the assertion that "Training alone is the key to
success" implying that it did *not* apply to Greg LeMond, because he was
known to not take training seriously, there is an implication that something
else might have been responsible.
This is rbr, the last place in the world I'd think I'd have to hit people
over the head with this!
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4db955b5-2531-4b6e-ac82-00ff60107654@i40g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 11:18 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:46f2d968-4fa0-4162-81ae-52fd619ad912@f18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 2, 12:20 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> wrote:> "Simply Fred" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:jutk18-jf4.ln1@donald.homeip.net...
>
> > > rickhopkins wrote:
> > >> I might also add to Anton's thoughtful list, Mike is very much in
> > >> love
> > >> with himself (can we say narcissists, can of like Palin) - not sure
> > >> anyone else is, so I think Mike probably beats off like a fiend.
>
> > > Training alone is the key to success.
>
> > Isn't Greg LeMond proof that's not true?
>
> =========
> Greg should have been hunting alone.
>
> R
> =========
>
> Nobody taking the bait?
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
OK - I'll take a stab at it.
Not necessarily true, according to research and studies of hunter
gatherer societies hunting is universally more successful in groups
than those that hunt alone.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/3781522
This is also true in the animal kingdom for a wide variety or
species.
But I fail to see any humor in this.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 11:53 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"Brad Anders" <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a2b086b4-ca7d-4ab7-8ea0-a35c628367b2@8g2000prt.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 31, 8:22 pm, Mike <mtschatz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad was being a jerk, so I did the same thing, I don't have anything
> against Brad,
> he wrote some interesting stuff back in the day for Cycle Sport, he
> shouldn't care what
> I think of him and I didn't say anything that wasn't true.
=====
Dimwit, I never wrote for Cycle Sport. I did have a column in Winning
for a short while, but that's the extent of my cycling journalism. I'm
beginning to think you've got me confused with Bruce Hildenbrand, who
is a close friend of Andy Hampsten, has written for Cycle Sport, and
told me around that time about doing a local ride with Maynard with
the BBC. Definitely more "high profile" to use your words. Bruce is
also a lot more glib than I am on the bike, as I spent most of my time
just trying to hang on. Maybe all that dope you were taking at the
time got you a little confused.
BTW, if it was Bruce and not me, thought I'd mention that he's been
retired from Sun Microsystems (18 year career) for over a decade and
is a successful cycling photojournalist, still writing for major
periodicals. He actually was at or near a Cat 1 level years ago,
again, looks like he made a good choice, too.
=====
Hey, I wrote for Competitive Cycling. Does that count? I could even arguably
suggest that I "discovered" Greg LeMond! Yeah, right, three paragraphs about
an intermediate racer who might be the next boy wonder. :-)
Whatever happened to Sundown Slim? And Captain America? And Larry "PigPen"
Glickfeld?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 11:59 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a4911c0c-68ce-497b-9413-694d7ae68a7a@k22g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 8:31 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 2/1/2011 11:43 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 10:53 pm, "H. Fred Kveck"<YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Brad Anders<pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jan 31, 8:38 pm, Mike<mtschatz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Goodbye, and continue being a pro cycling sycophant despite all the
> >>>> evidence that your heroes are drug addicted junkies.
> >>> Hope you enjoyed the ride that the club I co-founded organized, and I
> >>> hope the alphabet soup of drugs and crap you personally admitted to
> >>> taking, in order to cut it as a backmarker Cat 1, helped you in your
> >>> mid-20's to beat the shit out of a bunch of 40+ masters and cat 4/5's
> >>> on a casual training ride.
>
> >> That's the part that keeps me wondering: If the events happened as Mike
> >> described,
> >> did anyone else know that it was a race?
>
> > To sum up - a loser-doper is pissed that a doper-winner fired somebody
> > without his permission. My brain hurts from just typing that and I
> > didn't even think about it.
>
> > But 20 years ago he did beat Brad to some town signs, or someone who
> > looked like Brad, or maybe not, but he did beat somebody somewhere who
> > may or may not have known it was a race. So it's settled - he's
> > really, really good.
>
> > R
>
> Maybe he beat Brad. Maybe it was Bruce.
>
> I don't know about you guys but I get Karen Kurreck and Andy
> Hampsten mixed up all the time. So I can understand the
> difficulty in telling Brad/Bruce apart. Some guy named Br(*)
> yammering about his friend the high level racer. Tough to keep
> it all straight.
>
> Fred Flintstein
====
What's worse having only one day of glory or milking it for the rest
of your life? This is the story of many a cyclist.
====
Neither. What's worse is figuring out if you're a has-been or never-was.
That is likely the story of even more.
If I'm to look back at my "greatest" accomplishments, they'd have to be the
things that were unexpected. Races where one was greatly outclassed but did
well because you knew all the right places at the right times (generally my
specialty; I could "read" people probably better than anyone in the field).
But in the end, it was successful when measured as being fun, not measured
against traditional standards of success (that being, minimizing the
difference between what you accomplished and what you *could* have
accomplished if you'd had your act together. This is a very harsh way to
view things, but keeps you on your toes in business. So you end up with a
day that's got a lot of $$$ in the register and everyone's impressed but me,
because I'm thinking of the ones that got away and what could have been).
As for rbr, I consider my goal to be finding something rational to discuss
in an irrational discussion, and de-polarize if possible. So either I've
reset my standards very, very low, or I've picked something where I will
never come close to success.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 1:18 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article <oK6dnT5b6-coKtTQnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a4911c0c-68ce-497b-9413-694d7ae68a7a@k22g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 2, 8:31 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > On 2/1/2011 11:43 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 1, 10:53 pm, "H. Fred Kveck"<YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Brad Anders<pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Jan 31, 8:38 pm, Mike<mtschatz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>> Goodbye, and continue being a pro cycling sycophant despite all the
> > >>>> evidence that your heroes are drug addicted junkies.
> > >>> Hope you enjoyed the ride that the club I co-founded organized, and I
> > >>> hope the alphabet soup of drugs and crap you personally admitted to
> > >>> taking, in order to cut it as a backmarker Cat 1, helped you in your
> > >>> mid-20's to beat the shit out of a bunch of 40+ masters and cat 4/5's
> > >>> on a casual training ride.
> >
> > >> That's the part that keeps me wondering: If the events happened as Mike
> > >> described,
> > >> did anyone else know that it was a race?
> >
> > > To sum up - a loser-doper is pissed that a doper-winner fired somebody
> > > without his permission. My brain hurts from just typing that and I
> > > didn't even think about it.
> >
> > > But 20 years ago he did beat Brad to some town signs, or someone who
> > > looked like Brad, or maybe not, but he did beat somebody somewhere who
> > > may or may not have known it was a race. So it's settled - he's
> > > really, really good.
> >
> > > R
> >
> > Maybe he beat Brad. Maybe it was Bruce.
> >
> > I don't know about you guys but I get Karen Kurreck and Andy
> > Hampsten mixed up all the time. So I can understand the
> > difficulty in telling Brad/Bruce apart. Some guy named Br(*)
> > yammering about his friend the high level racer. Tough to keep
> > it all straight.
> >
> > Fred Flintstein
> ====
> What's worse having only one day of glory or milking it for the rest
> of your life? This is the story of many a cyclist.
> ====
>
> Neither. What's worse is figuring out if you're a has-been or never-was.
> That is likely the story of even more.
>
> If I'm to look back at my "greatest" accomplishments, they'd have to be the
> things that were unexpected. Races where one was greatly outclassed but did
> well because you knew all the right places at the right times (generally my
> specialty; I could "read" people probably better than anyone in the field).
>
> But in the end, it was successful when measured as being fun, not measured
> against traditional standards of success (that being, minimizing the
> difference between what you accomplished and what you *could* have
> accomplished if you'd had your act together. This is a very harsh way to
> view things, but keeps you on your toes in business. So you end up with a
> day that's got a lot of $$$ in the register and everyone's impressed but me,
> because I'm thinking of the ones that got away and what could have been).
>
> As for rbr, I consider my goal to be finding something rational to discuss
> in an irrational discussion,
Thar's yer problem: prejudging.
> and de-polarize if possible. So either I've
> reset my standards very, very low, or I've picked something where I will
> never come close to success.
You could know by now if you have set your standards too low or too high.
Ante up or fold.
--
Old Fritz
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 2:07 pm
From: RicodJour
On Feb 2, 2:59 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
> But in the end, it was successful when measured as being fun, not measured
> against traditional standards of success (that being, minimizing the
> difference between what you accomplished and what you *could* have
> accomplished if you'd had your act together. This is a very harsh way to
> view things, but keeps you on your toes in business. So you end up with a
> day that's got a lot of $$$ in the register and everyone's impressed but me,
> because I'm thinking of the ones that got away and what could have been).
Oh, okay, you keep a lot of money in the cash register. Good to
know. Please leave the back light on on Sunday night. I'm scared of
the dark. Thanks.
R
RBR Resident Cat Burglar
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TOPIC: when do you know it's over?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a1fb579eea03225d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 9:28 am
From: Carl Sundquist
On Feb 2, 9:54 am, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 6:24 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 12:30 am, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I was thinking about Jobst's catastrophic accident, and I was wondering
> > > what does it take to finally quit cycling. For most of us, cycling is a
> > > way of life, but all good things come to an end. For some, it was being
> > > hit by a car, for others it was when they no longer really compete at
> > > any level, and for some maybe they just get bored with it. For those of
> > > you who have quit riding, how did you reach that decision, and what did
> > > you replace it with, if anything?
>
> > The passionate never quit, even when they've already lost. They just
> > don't get out so often now. I've seen many men in their 70's and 80's
> > continue to pedal despite difficulties. I remember meeting this old
> > fat bloke on the road who happened to be a world class top sprinter at
> > 54 (last professional engagement), it was ten years later and he was
> > challenging skinny little me at 17 and little experience on my race
> > frame. "I'll race you to the roundabout?" he offered, I declined (oh
> > how I wish I hadn't), I was unsure whether It would have been me or
> > him who would have been embaressed. I didn't know until a few minutes
> > later after he left me it was Reg Harris and got told his story. It
> > was obviously an unfair challenge. So although he had already
> > officially professionaly retired, twice, he couldn't give up his
> > passion for the bike or for racing. I believe he died of a heart
> > attack after a ride three years later.
>
> > World pursuit champion of 195x Norman Sheil was track racing at 70, I
> > don't know if he still is. John Geddes must be around the same age
> > and still rides. Just like Tommy Simpson, it wouldn't surprise me if
> > these men and other top performers will also ride to their death. "If
> > it aint hurting, you're not trying, lad" was a coaching phrase still
> > used in late 80's Pain is an accompianment to success for these
> > people, continuing to ride on despite cardiac pain is not surprising.
>
> I train with Franz Hammer and he's 74 and a multi national masters
> road racing champ. He's had previous health issues (prostrate C) but
> has bounced back and still loves to ride, race and train hard. Phil H
Is he related to Sarah Hammer?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 1:21 pm
From: gds
On Feb 1, 5:30 pm, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I was thinking about Jobst's catastrophic accident, and I was wondering
> what does it take to finally quit cycling. For most of us, cycling is a
> way of life, but all good things come to an end. For some, it was being
> hit by a car, for others it was when they no longer really compete at
> any level, and for some maybe they just get bored with it. For those of
> you who have quit riding, how did you reach that decision, and what did
> you replace it with, if anything?
I have no idea the actual extent of Jobst's injury nor his prognosis.
But last Marchat age 65 I crashed in a crit and had a severe break of
the femur at the head which required a rod down the femur and several
screws to hold it all together. While painful and requiring lots of PT
I was back on the trainer in 10 weeks, on the road 3 weeks later and
racing (poorly) in another 4 weeks.
So, even at a relatively advanced age, folks who are in shape and
basically healthy can recover fully.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 1:43 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<b0cbcf07-3a82-4a4e-935d-81c126f69857@f18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
ilan <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 1:30 am, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I was thinking about Jobst's catastrophic accident, and I was wondering
> > what does it take to finally quit cycling. For most of us, cycling is a
> > way of life, but all good things come to an end. For some, it was being
> > hit by a car, for others it was when they no longer really compete at
> > any level, and for some maybe they just get bored with it. For those of
> > you who have quit riding, how did you reach that decision, and what did
> > you replace it with, if anything?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRMtXUgVp0c&feature=related
en fuego. Watch companies, now this.
--
Old Fritz
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TOPIC: Bobridge: pas naturellement?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0f14d2004f3dbf51?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 9:35 am
From: ilan
On Feb 2, 8:49 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bobridge-breaks-boardmans-record
>
> Improved the 4k pursuit record by nearly a half second. Beat his own
> best by nearly 4 seconds. Almost unheard-of advancements, no?
>
> Boardman's old record was Superman style, now banned.
Well, Bobridge had less gravitational force to contend with, that
should count for something.
-ilan
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 9:53 am
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Feb 2, 8:08 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 1:49 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bobridge-breaks-boardmans-record
>
> > Improved the 4k pursuit record by nearly a half second. Beat his own
> > best by nearly 4 seconds. Almost unheard-of advancements, no?
>
> > Boardman's old record was Superman style, now banned.
>
> He's being trained at the AIS by my former coach.
I'm just going to declare Anton Berlin dirty by association with a
successful cyclist, here.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 12:02 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On Feb 2, 2:49 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bobridge-breaks-boardmans-record
>
> Improved the 4k pursuit record by nearly a half second. Beat his own
> best by nearly 4 seconds. Almost unheard-of advancements, no?
>
> Boardman's old record was Superman style, now banned.
taylor phinney can eat a dick.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 3:14 pm
From: Carl Sundquist
On Feb 2, 1:49 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bobridge-breaks-boardmans-record
>
> Improved the 4k pursuit record by nearly a half second. Beat his own
> best by nearly 4 seconds. Almost unheard-of advancements, no?
>
> Boardman's old record was Superman style, now banned.
Considering the timing of both Bobridge's and Dennis's fast times and
Hurricane Godzilla hitting Cairns at the same time, is there any
possibility that low pressure from the cyclone could have aided the
pursuit?
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 3:27 pm
From: Anton Berlin
> Considering the timing of both Bobridge's and Dennis's fast times and
> Hurricane Godzilla hitting Cairns at the same time, is there any
> possibility that low pressure from the cyclone could have aided the
> pursuit?
If only someone could catch a CCW tornado centered in the Moscow
velodrome - then you'd have something!
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TOPIC: Finally found a racing result for the new resident dope fiend
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/64754facc3436252?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 9:57 am
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jan 31, 6:49 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Unless the race promoter identified him as a "Dairy Queen" this looks
> par for the course.
>
> http://www.nmcycling.org/results/2006/results/DowntownCrit.pdf
>
> Maybe he's both.
The rbr FAQ hasn't been updated lately; what allusive trope did I miss
this time?
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TOPIC: I'm going to start accelerating in turns!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c9bc8a59ae3b5760?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 10:02 am
From: Ryan Cousineau
No really, because the banking is 47 degrees, 200m track.
My Marinoni Pista (it is to the Pistadex what the TSX Composite is to
the DJIA) is nearly assembled: cranks go on this afternoon. The bar
ends consist of one champagne cork and one beer cork.
It is orange, and while I was going to call it stroopwaffel, recent
eerie events have convinced me to name it Speculaas.
Bike will be strictly indoors. This isn't really rbr-important, I'm
just so excited I'm telling everybody.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 10:21 am
From: ilan
On Feb 2, 7:02 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No really, because the banking is 47 degrees, 200m track.
>
> My Marinoni Pista (it is to the Pistadex what the TSX Composite is to
> the DJIA) is nearly assembled: cranks go on this afternoon. The bar
> ends consist of one champagne cork and one beer cork.
>
> It is orange, and while I was going to call it stroopwaffel, recent
> eerie events have convinced me to name it Speculaas.
>
> Bike will be strictly indoors. This isn't really rbr-important, I'm
> just so excited I'm telling everybody.
My Marinoni track bike is 29 years old (and I'm not trying to be
modest about age). It's a great bike that saw a fair amount of road
miles. I remember being amazed that steering was more neutral than my
mountain bike (kept its line better no hands) and convinced me that
this was a good criterion for judging frame design. What's weird now
is that it weighs more than my road bike.
-ilan
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TOPIC: Update on Jobst
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f5c45306b0d64b00?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 10:50 am
From: ilan
On Feb 2, 6:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:da03c167-aca5-439c-af94-811ca6b84cde@o18g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 31, 5:49 am, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Brad Anders wrote:
> > > I just wanted to let everyone know that Jobst is still in the
> > > hospital
> > > and is improving. Out of respect for his privacy I'm not going into
> > > details, but he has a long road to recovery. I'll post again when
> > > he's
> > > released.
>
> > -----------
>
> > I'm guessing that the reason Brad will not reveal the cause is because
> > it was "pilot error". The only other cause that would keep it under
> > wraps, is some source of equipment failure. I remember Jobst once
> > writing here, that he rides his tires down to the cords. Isn't that
> > just asking for a catastrophic tire failure at speed? I don't think
> > tire companies have a disclaimer that you should replace the tire if
> > all
> > the tread has been worn away, but maybe they should for those cheap
> > asses out there.
> > -------
>
> =======
> Nothing is being kept "under wraps" out of any desire to protect
> Jobst's reputation as a cyclist. Nobody knows exactly what happened,
> it appears to have been a solo crash. Jobst has had many crashes over
> the years and I'm certain he'd take the blame in more than one of
> them.
>
> What I am keeping private are the details of what's going on at the
> hospital, that's his business and not the business of a public
> newsgroup. That's all.
> =======
>
> On the other hand, I think revealing the 44cm bar they inserted into his
> leg helps to reinforce the legend that is Jobst. And that I don't think
> he'd mind. :-)
>
> The two staples of coastal rides out here are Jobst and Lindsay Crawford
> sightings. I can spot both from a distance that would seem far in excess
> of my visual capabilities. My son (with much better eyes!) can't figure
> it out. "Dad, how do you know that's Jobst (or Lindsay)?" There's just
> something about the way each of them rides, not to mention their height.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I wonder whether he tried convincing the surgeon that he could modify
one oof his own 44cm handlebars and use that instead.
-ilan
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 11:47 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"ilan" <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:794cd5d1-e9db-41da-b403-b3140e3fca81@k16g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 6:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:da03c167-aca5-439c-af94-811ca6b84cde@o18g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 31, 5:49 am, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Brad Anders wrote:
> > > I just wanted to let everyone know that Jobst is still in the
> > > hospital
> > > and is improving. Out of respect for his privacy I'm not going into
> > > details, but he has a long road to recovery. I'll post again when
> > > he's
> > > released.
>
> > -----------
>
> > I'm guessing that the reason Brad will not reveal the cause is because
> > it was "pilot error". The only other cause that would keep it under
> > wraps, is some source of equipment failure. I remember Jobst once
> > writing here, that he rides his tires down to the cords. Isn't that
> > just asking for a catastrophic tire failure at speed? I don't think
> > tire companies have a disclaimer that you should replace the tire if
> > all
> > the tread has been worn away, but maybe they should for those cheap
> > asses out there.
> > -------
>
> =======
> Nothing is being kept "under wraps" out of any desire to protect
> Jobst's reputation as a cyclist. Nobody knows exactly what happened,
> it appears to have been a solo crash. Jobst has had many crashes over
> the years and I'm certain he'd take the blame in more than one of
> them.
>
> What I am keeping private are the details of what's going on at the
> hospital, that's his business and not the business of a public
> newsgroup. That's all.
> =======
>
> On the other hand, I think revealing the 44cm bar they inserted into his
> leg helps to reinforce the legend that is Jobst. And that I don't think
> he'd mind. :-)
>
> The two staples of coastal rides out here are Jobst and Lindsay Crawford
> sightings. I can spot both from a distance that would seem far in excess
> of my visual capabilities. My son (with much better eyes!) can't figure
> it out. "Dad, how do you know that's Jobst (or Lindsay)?" There's just
> something about the way each of them rides, not to mention their height.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
=======
I wonder whether he tried convincing the surgeon that he could modify
one oof his own 44cm handlebars and use that instead.
-ilan
=======
Handlebar width is a subject I've never brought up with Jobst, nor seen
discussed by him. That could be interesting. He grew up in an era when
handlebars were a lot narrower than today; for years, your choice was a
Cinelli #64, #65 or #66 in 38 or 40cm. Jobst could have been the radical
using something much wider back in the day, or it could be that today he's
still sticking to the narrow stuff because... just because. I've never paid
attention to his bar width.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 1:36 pm
From: ilan
On Feb 2, 8:47 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> "ilan" <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:794cd5d1-e9db-41da-b403-b3140e3fca81@k16g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 2, 6:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:da03c167-aca5-439c-af94-811ca6b84cde@o18g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jan 31, 5:49 am, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Brad Anders wrote:
> > > > I just wanted to let everyone know that Jobst is still in the
> > > > hospital
> > > > and is improving. Out of respect for his privacy I'm not going into
> > > > details, but he has a long road to recovery. I'll post again when
> > > > he's
> > > > released.
>
> > > -----------
>
> > > I'm guessing that the reason Brad will not reveal the cause is because
> > > it was "pilot error". The only other cause that would keep it under
> > > wraps, is some source of equipment failure. I remember Jobst once
> > > writing here, that he rides his tires down to the cords. Isn't that
> > > just asking for a catastrophic tire failure at speed? I don't think
> > > tire companies have a disclaimer that you should replace the tire if
> > > all
> > > the tread has been worn away, but maybe they should for those cheap
> > > asses out there.
> > > -------
>
> > =======
> > Nothing is being kept "under wraps" out of any desire to protect
> > Jobst's reputation as a cyclist. Nobody knows exactly what happened,
> > it appears to have been a solo crash. Jobst has had many crashes over
> > the years and I'm certain he'd take the blame in more than one of
> > them.
>
> > What I am keeping private are the details of what's going on at the
> > hospital, that's his business and not the business of a public
> > newsgroup. That's all.
> > =======
>
> > On the other hand, I think revealing the 44cm bar they inserted into his
> > leg helps to reinforce the legend that is Jobst. And that I don't think
> > he'd mind. :-)
>
> > The two staples of coastal rides out here are Jobst and Lindsay Crawford
> > sightings. I can spot both from a distance that would seem far in excess
> > of my visual capabilities. My son (with much better eyes!) can't figure
> > it out. "Dad, how do you know that's Jobst (or Lindsay)?" There's just
> > something about the way each of them rides, not to mention their height.
>
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> =======
> I wonder whether he tried convincing the surgeon that he could modify
> one oof his own 44cm handlebars and use that instead.
>
> -ilan
> =======
>
> Handlebar width is a subject I've never brought up with Jobst, nor seen
> discussed by him. That could be interesting. He grew up in an era when
> handlebars were a lot narrower than today; for years, your choice was a
> Cinelli #64, #65 or #66 in 38 or 40cm. Jobst could have been the radical
> using something much wider back in the day, or it could be that today he's
> still sticking to the narrow stuff because... just because. I've never paid
> attention to his bar width.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
39cm my favourite Cinelli bar width.
-ilan
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TOPIC: Basson on doping, life & the Universe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/91d3dfdb97bd65af?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 12:43 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bassons-wont-judge-landis-and-armstrong
"Bassons says that, while the public, media and authorities view doping in
terms of "legal" and "illegal", an athlete will often superimpose his own
ideas of what is legitimate and what is not. Landis, for example, told
Kimmage that, for him, doping was a means - the only means in a sport
allegedly riddled with corruption - to realize a Tour de France dream.
"I don't know why Landis had that dream, why he needed that, or indeed why
he lied for all those years - you'd have to look at his upbringing, his
values - but there's always something behind it," Bassons argued.
"Everyone has their own sense of legitimate and illegitimate, which is
different from what is licit and illicit. For example, I might think it's
legitimate to drive my car at 90kph in an 80kph zone, if me being late means
that my son will walk out into the school playground and not see his dad.
For Richard Virenque, doping was legitimate because, for some reason, he
needed the love and admiration of the public. For some riders from Eastern
Europe it's legitimate because they need money for their families - which is
hard to condemn. Or a teenager might take steroids and go to the gym to pump
iron because he's uncomfortable with his body. In that case, doping serves
his need - it perpetuates it too, but as far as the kid is concerned it
solves his particular problem.""
I like this guy. Very logical, almost dispassionate way of viewing doping.
He makes some conclusions about Lance that support widely-held beliefs
without proof, but other than that, I'd say he's got it very much together.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 1:16 pm
From: Choppy Warburton
On Feb 2, 2:43 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bassons-wont-judge-landis-and-armstrong
> "Bassons says that, while the public, media and authorities view doping in
> terms of "legal" and "illegal", an athlete will often superimpose his own
> ideas of what is legitimate and what is not. Landis, for example, told
> Kimmage that, for him, doping was a means - the only means in a sport
> allegedly riddled with corruption - to realize a Tour de France dream.
>
> "I don't know why Landis had that dream, why he needed that, or indeed why
> he lied for all those years - you'd have to look at his upbringing, his
> values - but there's always something behind it," Bassons argued.
> "Everyone has their own sense of legitimate and illegitimate, which is
> different from what is licit and illicit. For example, I might think it's
> legitimate to drive my car at 90kph in an 80kph zone, if me being late means
> that my son will walk out into the school playground and not see his dad.
> For Richard Virenque, doping was legitimate because, for some reason, he
> needed the love and admiration of the public. For some riders from Eastern
> Europe it's legitimate because they need money for their families - which is
> hard to condemn. Or a teenager might take steroids and go to the gym to pump
> iron because he's uncomfortable with his body. In that case, doping serves
> his need - it perpetuates it too, but as far as the kid is concerned it
> solves his particular problem.""
>
> I like this guy. Very logical, almost dispassionate way of viewing doping.
> He makes some conclusions about Lance that support widely-held beliefs
> without proof, but other than that, I'd say he's got it very much together.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Very European but the "truth comes out" means Armstrong suffers.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 2:49 pm
From: Phil H
On Feb 2, 1:43 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bassons-wont-judge-landis-and-armstrong
> "Bassons says that, while the public, media and authorities view doping in
> terms of "legal" and "illegal", an athlete will often superimpose his own
> ideas of what is legitimate and what is not. Landis, for example, told
> Kimmage that, for him, doping was a means - the only means in a sport
> allegedly riddled with corruption - to realize a Tour de France dream.
>
> "I don't know why Landis had that dream, why he needed that, or indeed why
> he lied for all those years - you'd have to look at his upbringing, his
> values - but there's always something behind it," Bassons argued.
> "Everyone has their own sense of legitimate and illegitimate, which is
> different from what is licit and illicit. For example, I might think it's
> legitimate to drive my car at 90kph in an 80kph zone, if me being late means
> that my son will walk out into the school playground and not see his dad.
> For Richard Virenque, doping was legitimate because, for some reason, he
> needed the love and admiration of the public. For some riders from Eastern
> Europe it's legitimate because they need money for their families - which is
> hard to condemn. Or a teenager might take steroids and go to the gym to pump
> iron because he's uncomfortable with his body. In that case, doping serves
> his need - it perpetuates it too, but as far as the kid is concerned it
> solves his particular problem.""
>
> I like this guy. Very logical, almost dispassionate way of viewing doping.
> He makes some conclusions about Lance that support widely-held beliefs
> without proof, but other than that, I'd say he's got it very much together.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"For example, I might think it's legitimate to drive my car at 90kph
in an 80kph zone, if me being late means that my son will walk out
into the school playground and not see his dad."
The average Joe thinks this is OK, an innocuous 10 over the limit;
except that 37 000 a year in the US never get to go home again from
similarly perceived innocuous transgressions. A bad analogy to sports
doping.
Phil H
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TOPIC: N7LA
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/716b4c1663032b0d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 1:02 pm
From: Michael Press
In article
<c2aae006-9ac3-4ac3-9fc8-f6b5ef57175e@i39g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Choppy Warburton <choppywarburton@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Summary of the summary. Everybody has a moral sense
> > and everybody is in agreement about what it says in
> > each situation. Problem solved.
> >
> Reminds me of "Life of Brian"
>
> "You're all individuals"
>
> "YES WE'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS"
>
> "not me"
Shhh!
--
Michael Press
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