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TOPIC: UCI Not Corrupt?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6e9a3b1f30cba1cf?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 10:51 am
From: --D-y


On Feb 3, 12:24 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 2/3/2011 1:19 PM, BLafferty wrote:
>
>
>
> > Copied from the CyclingNews Clinic forum today.
> > ---------------------------------------------
>
> > Yesterday Pat McQuaid made the comical claim that There has never been
> > corruption in the UCI
>
> > The UCI, and McQuaid himself, has a long history of Corruption
>
> > During apartheid McQuaid raced in South Africa under an fake name. He
> > was banned for life by the IOC. How is a person banned for life now an
> > elected member of the IOC?
>
> > After winning the 1997 Laurant Brochard tested Lidocaine. Verburggen
> > actively covered up the positive, first delaying the announcement then
> > accepted a back dated TUE to let him off......dispite back dated TUE's
> > being clearly against the rules
>
> > Lance Armstrong tested positive for Cortisone at the 1999 Tour.
> > Armstrong and his team were given advanced notice of the positive and
> > allowed to develop an excuse. Despite multiple prior public claims that
> > he did not have a TUE he produced a back dated TUE, which the UCI
> > accepted despite it being against the UCI's rules
>
> > Julian DeVries, Floyd Landis, and others have said that Armstrong told
> > them that he paid the UCI $500,000 to make an EPO positive from the 2001
> > Tour de Suisse disappear. Sylivia Schenk, UCI board member and head of
> > it's ethics committee said
>
> > Quote:
> > "Since 1998 the UCI has done a lot to combat doping but everything is
> > different where Armstrong is concerned," "There is obviously a strong
> > relationship with Armstrong," Schenk added. "The UCI took a lot of money
> > from Armstrong – to my knowledge 500,000 dollars – and now there is
> > speculation that there are financial connections to Armstrong, as well
> > as the American market. I do not know what sort of connections
> > Verbruggen has."
> >  From 2002-2006 Hein Vebruggen made multiple proclamations that the
> > Peloton was clean. He even sued WADA for telling the truth about the
> > sports problems. At the same time Hein was telling people that the sport
> > was clean they were
>
> > Warning Tyler Hamilton that his HR-OFF score was 123.8 on April 24, the
> > day before L-B-L, where he finished ninth. Five days later on April
> > 29,it was a very high 132.9,(The Limit is 133) with a corresponding
> > reticulocyte count of 0.22 percent and a haematocrit level of 49.7
> > percent (the limit being 50)
>
> > They were warning Levi that his Off score was 132.8 when the limit is
> > 133 and normal is 90.
>
> > We know that dozens of other riders where following similar programs
> > with Fuentes and had similar questionable blood values.....but the UCI
> > publicly claimed the sport was clean. This was a lie.
>
> > Jesus Manzano gave detailed information about doping in the sport. He
> > talked about how Fuentes blood doped riders and how Walter Viru, who ran
> > a UCI blood lab, would give advanced notice of Out of Competition
> > Control (OCC)to his team and to USPS. The UCI did nothing. They ignored
> > his claims for years. Fuentes has been arrested twice and Viru was
> > arrest last year....the UCI pretended Manzano was nuts, bitter, etc.
>
> > Verburggen retired from the UCI in order to set up a company that would
> > own and sell the rights for all ProTour races. Publicly the UCI liked to
> > pretend that the conflict with the ASO, RCS, and Unipublic was about the
> > number of teams guaranteed a start spot but the real conflict was TV
> > rights. Verburggen's power grab was not an attempt to help the sport but
> > an attempt to enrich himself. For the next 4 years the sport was in
> > chaos....all because of Verbuggen's greed.
>
> > A group headed by Hein Verbuggen and Lance Armstrong tried to buy the
> > Tour in 2006. It is hard to ignore the conflict of interest when the
> > head of the UCI and the sports largest rider are business partners. They
> > were unable to secure funding for the purchase and set out to devalue
> > the ASO.
>
> > The UCI rules in 2007 were clear. If a rider missed a single Out of
> > Competition Control (OCC) in the 6 weeks prior to a Grand Tour the rider
> > is not allowed to start the GT. In addition if a rider missed 3 OCC's it
> > counts as a positive. Rasmussen missed 4 OCC's in the weeks prior to the
> > Tour. The UCI did nothing
>
> > They timed their announcement of the missed tests for the eve of the
> > Tour, so it would cause maximum embarrassment and damage to the ASO.
> > Prudhomme said at the time
>
> > "Verbruggen wanted to buy the Tour, but we said 'No thanks,' so now he
> > wants to get the price down,"
>
> > The UCI set up the BioPassport as an independent oversight that could
> > insure that riders with questionable blood values, like Levi and Tyler
> > could be sanctioned without a positive. It was far from independent. In
> > fact 5 riders whose passports were ruled questionable by the committee
> > were not pursued by the UCI . Was this because these riders had the
> > financial resources to fight the sanction and were thus untouchable?
>
> > Feel free to add more, this is just a start
>
> More on the Armstrong attempt to purchase the TdF
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123811112300753043.html#project%3DARM...

Makes sense to me. Being able to have a strong organization with an
effective player's union would be nothing but a good thing for
cycling.
--D-y


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 10:54 am
From: Brad Anders


How does this differ from an ex-pro football player buying a team or
starting a league of his own? The guy up the street from me played
from the Cleveland Browns (Reggie Fowler) and put together a deal
(failed) to buy the Vikings. Plenty of other pro athletes have done
similar deals.

The only reason this looks unusual for Armstrong is that he has so
much more money than any other pro cyclist. It didn't work, anyway.


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 11:37 am
From: Anton Berlin


The only way to eliminate the fraud and corruption is to eliminate the
profit motive for overseers, cheaters etc.

It's like EBAY - they don't really care about shill bidding because
their profits are greater when shill bidding occurs. I've documented
several cases of shill bidding, EBAY usually turns them off for a few
weeks and then they're back selling either with the same account or a
new account.

If an outside agency policed the fraud on EBAY it would cease
overnight. Same with doping and cycling.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 11:55 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 2/3/2011 12:54 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> How does this differ from an ex-pro football player buying a team or
> starting a league of his own? The guy up the street from me played
> from the Cleveland Browns (Reggie Fowler) and put together a deal
> (failed) to buy the Vikings. Plenty of other pro athletes have done
> similar deals.
>
> The only reason this looks unusual for Armstrong is that he has so
> much more money than any other pro cyclist. It didn't work, anyway.

Are you directing that at Laff or his sock puppet?

Fred Flintstein


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 12:13 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 2/3/2011 12:19 PM, BLafferty wrote:
> A group headed by Hein Verbuggen and Lance Armstrong tried to buy the
> Tour in 2006. It is hard to ignore the conflict of interest when the
> head of the UCI and the sports largest rider are business partners. They
> were unable to secure funding for the purchase and set out to devalue
> the ASO.


Does that explain this?

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2001/sep01/trackworlds/MGlance1.shtml

Notice how you can't see where Verbruggen's right hand is.

Fred Flintstein


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 1:16 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <yeydna535otBb9fQnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
BLafferty <b@nowhere.com> wrote:

> More on the Armstrong attempt to purchase the TdF

Ohhh. It will be soo cool when he buys the TdF.
We can have a LANCE TdF _every_ year.

--
Old Fritz


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 2:30 pm
From: --D-y


On Feb 3, 1:37 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The only way to eliminate the fraud and corruption is to eliminate the
> profit motive for overseers, cheaters etc.
>
> It's like EBAY - they don't really care about shill bidding because
> their profits are greater when shill bidding occurs.  I've documented
> several cases of shill bidding, EBAY usually turns them off for a few
> weeks and then they're back selling either with the same account or a
> new account.
>
> If an outside agency policed the fraud on EBAY it would cease
> overnight.   Same with doping and cycling.

I thought WADA was an "outside agency".

Ask Floyd (like Kimmage did) and you might think in-house dope control
could be amazingly effective at eliminating those who "we knew were
doping". I mean, you do believe Floyd *now*, right?

If ebay is full of cheats, don't go there. No one is forcing you to do
business through them.
It's the old advice that's best: pick the highest price, including
shipping, that you're willing to pay for an item, bid that price and
wait to see what happens. If you win, great. If you don't, then you
didn't pay too much.
For sellers, shill bids are good as long as they're not the last bid,
or you start getting deliberate "revenge" no-pays.
--D-y


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 2:57 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:66717a83-6df0-4717-a44e-69111d4695df@a28g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> The only way to eliminate the fraud and corruption is to eliminate the
> profit motive for overseers, cheaters etc.
>
> It's like EBAY - they don't really care about shill bidding because
> their profits are greater when shill bidding occurs. I've documented
> several cases of shill bidding, EBAY usually turns them off for a few
> weeks and then they're back selling either with the same account or a
> new account.
>
> If an outside agency policed the fraud on EBAY it would cease
> overnight. Same with doping and cycling.

Anton: It's so much simpler than even that. A huge percentage of stolen
merchandise would disappear from eBay if they required just one thing-
Serial numbers included with descriptions, where available. This would cost
eBay zero, and enforcement would be through the feedback mechanism. Cleaning
up cycling is far more complicated.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


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TOPIC: Basson on doping, life & the Universe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/91d3dfdb97bd65af?hl=en
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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 12:06 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <ioidnVAt5fp-XNTQnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:

> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bassons-wont-judge-landis-and-armstrong
> "Bassons says that, while the public, media and authorities view doping in
> terms of "legal" and "illegal", an athlete will often superimpose his own
> ideas of what is legitimate and what is not. Landis, for example, told
> Kimmage that, for him, doping was a means - the only means in a sport
> allegedly riddled with corruption - to realize a Tour de France dream.
>
> "I don't know why Landis had that dream, why he needed that, or indeed why
> he lied for all those years - you'd have to look at his upbringing, his
> values - but there's always something behind it," Bassons argued.
> "Everyone has their own sense of legitimate and illegitimate, which is
> different from what is licit and illicit. For example, I might think it's
> legitimate to drive my car at 90kph in an 80kph zone, if me being late means
> that my son will walk out into the school playground and not see his dad.
> For Richard Virenque, doping was legitimate because, for some reason, he
> needed the love and admiration of the public. For some riders from Eastern
> Europe it's legitimate because they need money for their families - which is
> hard to condemn. Or a teenager might take steroids and go to the gym to pump
> iron because he's uncomfortable with his body. In that case, doping serves
> his need - it perpetuates it too, but as far as the kid is concerned it
> solves his particular problem.""
>
> I like this guy. Very logical, almost dispassionate way of viewing doping.
> He makes some conclusions about Lance that support widely-held beliefs
> without proof, but other than that, I'd say he's got it very much together.

I do not see him as dispassionate. He sits in judgement.
What does he know about how different people think?
Particularly people he does not see all the time, people he
never met, people he does not even know they exist, but
makes up fictional lives for. He's just another bloviator
making up stuff that he hopes will make people feel good so
he can sell more of his bloviating.

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 12:20 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<04e9067b-57d4-4d78-ba2d-91e60799a0ee@d17g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
ilan <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, here goes :). I suppose that the basic point is that the French
> have no conception of obeying laws because they are laws, or in the
> case of the vehicle code, because they make absolute sense. For
> example, when I challenge someone, e.g., the old guy in an expensive
> BMW who parked on crosswalk forcing pedestrians to go around him into
> traffic, he basically implied that this was some kind of Ghandi or
> Martin Luther Kind "civil disobedience" against state authority.
> Worse, the prevalent attitude is to get away with as much as you can,
> and the law is just there to punish you if you're not careful enough.
> This is deeply ingrained, a good demonstration are the illegally
> parked driving school cars in bus lanes (which never get ticketed,
> most likely because of payoffs to the police). So, driving ends up
> being the law of the jungle, though there seems to be a taboo about
> running red lights (laughable, as they think it's preferable to go
> double the speed limit to get through a yellow light, than to stop at
> the red light look both ways then cross when it's safe). In Paris,
> this leads to the extremely unpleasant situation where it's the law of
> the strongest, when the vehicle code which is based on common sense
> dictates the exact opposite. In order for you to understand how
> barbaric this becomes, basically every interaction comes down to who
> can beat up who in hand to hand combat, that is, if I force my right
> of way at a pedestrian crosswalk this evaluation dictates whether the
> car will yield or not. Pretty pathetic for the "capital of culture."
> Actually, it's so ridiculous that I have to laugh, on two occasions
> last month I had to run for it when the confronter evaluated me as
> weaker, this while crossing the Place de Furstenberg, the most
> luxurious square in Paris.

Do people attempt to equalize the difference through main force?

--
Michael Press


== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 12:21 pm
From: ilan


On Feb 3, 1:17 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 4:52 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 3, 12:46 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 3:49 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 2, 1:43 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bassons-wont-judge-landis-and-armstrong
> > > > > "Bassons says that, while the public, media and authorities view doping in
> > > > > terms of "legal" and "illegal", an athlete will often superimpose his own
> > > > > ideas of what is legitimate and what is not. Landis, for example, told
> > > > > Kimmage that, for him, doping was a means - the only means in a sport
> > > > > allegedly riddled with corruption - to realize a Tour de France dream.
>
> > > > > "I don't know why Landis had that dream, why he needed that, or indeed why
> > > > > he lied for all those years - you'd have to look at his upbringing, his
> > > > > values - but there's always something behind it," Bassons argued.
> > > > > "Everyone has their own sense of legitimate and illegitimate, which is
> > > > > different from what is licit and illicit. For example, I might think it's
> > > > > legitimate to drive my car at 90kph in an 80kph zone, if me being late means
> > > > > that my son will walk out into the school playground and not see his dad.
> > > > > For Richard Virenque, doping was legitimate because, for some reason, he
> > > > > needed the love and admiration of the public. For some riders from Eastern
> > > > > Europe it's legitimate because they need money for their families - which is
> > > > > hard to condemn. Or a teenager might take steroids and go to the gym to pump
> > > > > iron because he's uncomfortable with his body. In that case, doping serves
> > > > > his need - it perpetuates it too, but as far as the kid is concerned it
> > > > > solves his particular problem.""
>
> > > > > I like this guy. Very logical, almost dispassionate way of viewing doping.
> > > > > He makes some conclusions about Lance that support widely-held beliefs
> > > > > without proof, but other than that, I'd say he's got it very much together.
>
> > > > > --Mike Jacoubowsky
> > > > > Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> > > > > Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> > > > "For example, I might think it's legitimate to drive my car at 90kph
> > > > in an 80kph zone, if me being late means that my son will walk out
> > > > into the school playground and not see his dad."
>
> > > > The average Joe thinks this is OK, an innocuous 10 over the limit;
> > > > except that 37 000 a year in the US never get to go home again from
> > > > similarly perceived innocuous transgressions. A bad analogy to sports
> > > > doping.
>
> > > I suppose this could blow up into a prolonged debate but I like the
> > > speeding analogy. A friend who works as a paramedic once described to
> > > me that (from her fairly extensive experience responding to vehicle
> > > accidents) speed alone is rarely the sole or even primary factor in
> > > causing an accident.  The big factors are things like alcohol,
> > > inattentiveness, misjudging or ignoring traffic signals and other
> > > similar poor behavior, even though speed may be involved. And, no,
> > > we're not talking about speeding in school zones.
>
> > > DR
>
> > Even if speed is not the cause of the accident, the point is that it
> > is always an aggravating factor once an accident occurs. Apparently,
> > your paramedic friend failed to grasp this simple but essential
> > observation.
>
> Not at all (and note my initial comment). The point being that
> speeding (exceeding the posted limit - I should have specified that
> originally) is NOT the cause. Generally doing something stupid needs
> to be added to the mix. Now, something stupid could include driving
> too fast for conditions, but merely exceeding the posted limit doesn't
> generally do it.
> DR

As I seem to recall, California had to make a special law on
"exhibition of speed" because people in expensive sports cars could
prove that their very high speed was perfectly safe for the
conditions, no traffic, good road, visibility, and car constructed for
such speeds.

-ilan


== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 12:21 pm
From: RicodJour


On Feb 3, 11:57 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I should also note that the paramedic friend who commented about the
> (ir)relevance of speeding was adamant about the benefit of seatbelt
> use. I think her comment was that, of traffic fatalities in her
> personal experience, not one had been wearing a seatbelt.
> In essence, her experience reflected the marketing adage that "seat
> belts save lives."

In a defensive driving course we had a highway patrol trooper stop
in. He said he'd never had to unbuckle a dead guy.

A few years later, at another defensive driving course (I'm big on
discounts), the instructor asked first thing who always wore
seatbelts - bunch of hands went up. Next question, who never wore
seatbelts - one woman raised her hand. The instructor asked why, and
she pointed to the ~18 yo kid next to her and said, "He wouldn't be an
orphan (sic) if it weren't for seatbelts!" WTF? The instructor asked
what had happened, and we all listened in horror as she described
being in an accident and her other son (orphan..?) was decapitated by
a shoulder belt. The instructor asked if he had been wearing the lap
belt (this is before they were joined with one buckle), and the answer
was of course no. She blamed the seatbelt. Felt bad for the lady,
felt worse for the kid sitting next to her.

R


== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 12:29 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<18f2daca-2cc8-43d8-b9c3-e65adea18e96@x1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
DirtRoadie <DirtRoadie@aol.com> wrote:

> On Feb 2, 3:49 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 1:43 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bassons-wont-judge-landis-and-armstrong
> > > "Bassons says that, while the public, media and authorities view doping in
> > > terms of "legal" and "illegal", an athlete will often superimpose his own
> > > ideas of what is legitimate and what is not. Landis, for example, told
> > > Kimmage that, for him, doping was a means - the only means in a sport
> > > allegedly riddled with corruption - to realize a Tour de France dream.
> >
> > > "I don't know why Landis had that dream, why he needed that, or indeed why
> > > he lied for all those years - you'd have to look at his upbringing, his
> > > values - but there's always something behind it," Bassons argued.
> > > "Everyone has their own sense of legitimate and illegitimate, which is
> > > different from what is licit and illicit. For example, I might think it's
> > > legitimate to drive my car at 90kph in an 80kph zone, if me being late means
> > > that my son will walk out into the school playground and not see his dad.
> > > For Richard Virenque, doping was legitimate because, for some reason, he
> > > needed the love and admiration of the public. For some riders from Eastern
> > > Europe it's legitimate because they need money for their families - which is
> > > hard to condemn. Or a teenager might take steroids and go to the gym to pump
> > > iron because he's uncomfortable with his body. In that case, doping serves
> > > his need - it perpetuates it too, but as far as the kid is concerned it
> > > solves his particular problem.""
> >
> > > I like this guy. Very logical, almost dispassionate way of viewing doping.
> > > He makes some conclusions about Lance that support widely-held beliefs
> > > without proof, but other than that, I'd say he's got it very much together.
> >
> > > --Mike Jacoubowsky
> > > Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> > > Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
> >
> > "For example, I might think it's legitimate to drive my car at 90kph
> > in an 80kph zone, if me being late means that my son will walk out
> > into the school playground and not see his dad."
> >
> > The average Joe thinks this is OK, an innocuous 10 over the limit;
> > except that 37 000 a year in the US never get to go home again from
> > similarly perceived innocuous transgressions. A bad analogy to sports
> > doping.
>
> I suppose this could blow up into a prolonged debate but I like the
> speeding analogy. A friend who works as a paramedic once described to
> me that (from her fairly extensive experience responding to vehicle
> accidents) speed alone is rarely the sole or even primary factor in
> causing an accident. The big factors are things like alcohol,
> inattentiveness, misjudging or ignoring traffic signals and other
> similar poor behavior, even though speed may be involved. And, no,
> we're not talking about speeding in school zones.

Emotional trauma impairs people's driving---things like
fights with family, break ups, and job difficulties.

--
Michael Press


== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 12:38 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<723fe2bc-b383-4d3f-ab80-c18b2dd7ba7d@v16g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
ilan <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 2, 9:43 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bassons-wont-judge-landis-and-armstrong
> > "Bassons says that, while the public, media and authorities view doping in
> > terms of "legal" and "illegal", an athlete will often superimpose his own
> > ideas of what is legitimate and what is not. Landis, for example, told
> > Kimmage that, for him, doping was a means - the only means in a sport
> > allegedly riddled with corruption - to realize a Tour de France dream.
> >
> > "I don't know why Landis had that dream, why he needed that, or indeed why
> > he lied for all those years - you'd have to look at his upbringing, his
> > values - but there's always something behind it," Bassons argued.
> > "Everyone has their own sense of legitimate and illegitimate, which is
> > different from what is licit and illicit. For example, I might think it's
> > legitimate to drive my car at 90kph in an 80kph zone, if me being late means
> > that my son will walk out into the school playground and not see his dad.
> > For Richard Virenque, doping was legitimate because, for some reason, he
> > needed the love and admiration of the public. For some riders from Eastern
> > Europe it's legitimate because they need money for their families - which is
> > hard to condemn. Or a teenager might take steroids and go to the gym to pump
> > iron because he's uncomfortable with his body. In that case, doping serves
> > his need - it perpetuates it too, but as far as the kid is concerned it
> > solves his particular problem.""
> >
> > I like this guy. Very logical, almost dispassionate way of viewing doping.
> > He makes some conclusions about Lance that support widely-held beliefs
> > without proof, but other than that, I'd say he's got it very much together.
> >
> > --Mike Jacoubowsky
> > Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> > Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> Sorry, but this Bassons guy is an ignorant self-righteous non-entity.
> Check out this quote: "The one thing I would add about Armstrong is
> that I'm not sure he's as proud of the person he is today as I am of
> myself." Compare Armstrong's CV: "World Champion, beating cancer,
> destroying the Tour de France record, coming back from retirement to
> finish on the podium, and last year's disastrous Tour better than
> anything Bassons ever did as a professional," to Bassons CV: "Spoke up
> to Armstrong one time, maybe a stage win in Paris-Camembert or
> something equivalent, left cycling because...." I think Bassons
> should reflect on the following: in life, you should know where you
> stand relative to others.

Each bassoon having his big, fat say.

--
Michael Press


== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 12:50 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<bdf77ac5-e3c4-4426-a459-8be5b23bdbe5@d28g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Amit Ghosh <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 2, 3:43 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
> > I like this guy. Very logical, almost dispassionate way of viewing doping.
> > He makes some conclusions about Lance that support widely-held beliefs
> > without proof, but other than that, I'd say he's got it very much together.
>
> dumbass,
>
> basically he's not a kool-aid drinker, unlike 95% of the people who
> race of follow bike racing.

Correct. He is a Kool-Aid dispenser.

--
Michael Press


== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 12:57 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Feb 3, 1:21 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 1:17 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 4:52 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3, 12:46 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 2, 3:49 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 2, 1:43 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bassons-wont-judge-landis-and-armstrong
> > > > > > "Bassons says that, while the public, media and authorities view doping in
> > > > > > terms of "legal" and "illegal", an athlete will often superimpose his own
> > > > > > ideas of what is legitimate and what is not. Landis, for example, told
> > > > > > Kimmage that, for him, doping was a means - the only means in a sport
> > > > > > allegedly riddled with corruption - to realize a Tour de France dream.
>
> > > > > > "I don't know why Landis had that dream, why he needed that, or indeed why
> > > > > > he lied for all those years - you'd have to look at his upbringing, his
> > > > > > values - but there's always something behind it," Bassons argued.
> > > > > > "Everyone has their own sense of legitimate and illegitimate, which is
> > > > > > different from what is licit and illicit. For example, I might think it's
> > > > > > legitimate to drive my car at 90kph in an 80kph zone, if me being late means
> > > > > > that my son will walk out into the school playground and not see his dad.
> > > > > > For Richard Virenque, doping was legitimate because, for some reason, he
> > > > > > needed the love and admiration of the public. For some riders from Eastern
> > > > > > Europe it's legitimate because they need money for their families - which is
> > > > > > hard to condemn. Or a teenager might take steroids and go to the gym to pump
> > > > > > iron because he's uncomfortable with his body. In that case, doping serves
> > > > > > his need - it perpetuates it too, but as far as the kid is concerned it
> > > > > > solves his particular problem.""
>
> > > > > > I like this guy. Very logical, almost dispassionate way of viewing doping.
> > > > > > He makes some conclusions about Lance that support widely-held beliefs
> > > > > > without proof, but other than that, I'd say he's got it very much together.
>
> > > > > > --Mike Jacoubowsky
> > > > > > Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> > > > > > Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> > > > > "For example, I might think it's legitimate to drive my car at 90kph
> > > > > in an 80kph zone, if me being late means that my son will walk out
> > > > > into the school playground and not see his dad."
>
> > > > > The average Joe thinks this is OK, an innocuous 10 over the limit;
> > > > > except that 37 000 a year in the US never get to go home again from
> > > > > similarly perceived innocuous transgressions. A bad analogy to sports
> > > > > doping.
>
> > > > I suppose this could blow up into a prolonged debate but I like the
> > > > speeding analogy. A friend who works as a paramedic once described to
> > > > me that (from her fairly extensive experience responding to vehicle
> > > > accidents) speed alone is rarely the sole or even primary factor in
> > > > causing an accident.  The big factors are things like alcohol,
> > > > inattentiveness, misjudging or ignoring traffic signals and other
> > > > similar poor behavior, even though speed may be involved. And, no,
> > > > we're not talking about speeding in school zones.
>
> > > > DR
>
> > > Even if speed is not the cause of the accident, the point is that it
> > > is always an aggravating factor once an accident occurs. Apparently,
> > > your paramedic friend failed to grasp this simple but essential
> > > observation.
>
> > Not at all (and note my initial comment). The point being that
> > speeding (exceeding the posted limit - I should have specified that
> > originally) is NOT the cause. Generally doing something stupid needs
> > to be added to the mix. Now, something stupid could include driving
> > too fast for conditions, but merely exceeding the posted limit doesn't
> > generally do it.
> > DR
>
> As I seem to recall, California had to make a special law on
> "exhibition of speed" because people in expensive sports cars could
> prove that their very high speed was perfectly safe for the
> conditions, no traffic, good road, visibility, and car constructed for
> such speeds.

At least with a posted speed limit there is a legal presumption that
it is the maximum prudent speed under normal conditions. Exceeding
that speed places the heavy burden on the speeder to prove that/he she
was driving safely (If that is allowable under the applicable law).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States#Prima_facie

Peripherally related - the main US highway here has a speed limit that
is lower (55 vs. 60) at night during the winter. The reason is
wildlife, deer and elk, that are more commonly encountered after dark
in the winter.
That may fall into the category of "It's not just the law, it's a good
idea,"although 5 mph seems like an insignificant step. Perhaps the
goal is just to make folks aware (especially out-of-staters) that the
risks of a surprise encounter are, in fact, greater during those
periods.

DR

== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 7:42 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 2/3/2011 10:01 AM, RicodJour wrote:

> The insane part is certainly effective in some situations. Acting
> like you're hearing voices, having an argument with imaginary people
> and making sudden jerky moves makes you into a total unknown and
> potentially dangerous. Easier targets abound.

This is RBR. That schtick comes natural to most of us.


== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 8:19 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Feb 3, 2:21 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 1:17 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 4:52 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3, 12:46 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 2, 3:49 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 2, 1:43 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bassons-wont-judge-landis-and-armstrong
> > > > > > "Bassons says that, while the public, media and authorities view doping in
> > > > > > terms of "legal" and "illegal", an athlete will often superimpose his own
> > > > > > ideas of what is legitimate and what is not. Landis, for example, told
> > > > > > Kimmage that, for him, doping was a means - the only means in a sport
> > > > > > allegedly riddled with corruption - to realize a Tour de France dream.
>
> > > > > > "I don't know why Landis had that dream, why he needed that, or indeed why
> > > > > > he lied for all those years - you'd have to look at his upbringing, his
> > > > > > values - but there's always something behind it," Bassons argued.
> > > > > > "Everyone has their own sense of legitimate and illegitimate, which is
> > > > > > different from what is licit and illicit. For example, I might think it's
> > > > > > legitimate to drive my car at 90kph in an 80kph zone, if me being late means
> > > > > > that my son will walk out into the school playground and not see his dad.
> > > > > > For Richard Virenque, doping was legitimate because, for some reason, he
> > > > > > needed the love and admiration of the public. For some riders from Eastern
> > > > > > Europe it's legitimate because they need money for their families - which is
> > > > > > hard to condemn. Or a teenager might take steroids and go to the gym to pump
> > > > > > iron because he's uncomfortable with his body. In that case, doping serves
> > > > > > his need - it perpetuates it too, but as far as the kid is concerned it
> > > > > > solves his particular problem.""
>
> > > > > > I like this guy. Very logical, almost dispassionate way of viewing doping.
> > > > > > He makes some conclusions about Lance that support widely-held beliefs
> > > > > > without proof, but other than that, I'd say he's got it very much together.
>
> > > > > > --Mike Jacoubowsky
> > > > > > Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> > > > > > Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> > > > > "For example, I might think it's legitimate to drive my car at 90kph
> > > > > in an 80kph zone, if me being late means that my son will walk out
> > > > > into the school playground and not see his dad."
>
> > > > > The average Joe thinks this is OK, an innocuous 10 over the limit;
> > > > > except that 37 000 a year in the US never get to go home again from
> > > > > similarly perceived innocuous transgressions. A bad analogy to sports
> > > > > doping.
>
> > > > I suppose this could blow up into a prolonged debate but I like the
> > > > speeding analogy. A friend who works as a paramedic once described to
> > > > me that (from her fairly extensive experience responding to vehicle
> > > > accidents) speed alone is rarely the sole or even primary factor in
> > > > causing an accident.  The big factors are things like alcohol,
> > > > inattentiveness, misjudging or ignoring traffic signals and other
> > > > similar poor behavior, even though speed may be involved. And, no,
> > > > we're not talking about speeding in school zones.
>
> > > > DR
>
> > > Even if speed is not the cause of the accident, the point is that it
> > > is always an aggravating factor once an accident occurs. Apparently,
> > > your paramedic friend failed to grasp this simple but essential
> > > observation.
>
> > Not at all (and note my initial comment). The point being that
> > speeding (exceeding the posted limit - I should have specified that
> > originally) is NOT the cause. Generally doing something stupid needs
> > to be added to the mix. Now, something stupid could include driving
> > too fast for conditions, but merely exceeding the posted limit doesn't
> > generally do it.
> > DR
>
> As I seem to recall, California had to make a special law on
> "exhibition of speed" because people in expensive sports cars could
> prove that their very high speed was perfectly safe for the
> conditions, no traffic, good road, visibility, and car constructed for
> such speeds.
>
> -ilan

There have been "exhibition of acceleration" violations since the 70s
on most states. I used to hot rod 60s Pontiacs and Chevrolets.


== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 8:20 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Feb 3, 2:21 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 11:57 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I should also note that the paramedic friend who commented about the
> > (ir)relevance of speeding was adamant about the benefit of seatbelt
> > use. I think her comment was that, of traffic fatalities in her
> > personal experience, not one had been wearing a seatbelt.
> > In essence, her experience reflected the marketing adage that "seat
> > belts save lives."
>
> In a defensive driving course we had a highway patrol trooper stop
> in.  He said he'd never had to unbuckle a dead guy.
>
> A few years later, at another defensive driving course (I'm big on
> discounts), the instructor asked first thing who always wore
> seatbelts  - bunch of hands went up.  Next question, who never wore
> seatbelts - one woman raised her hand.  The instructor asked why, and
> she pointed to the ~18 yo kid next to her and said, "He wouldn't be an
> orphan (sic) if it weren't for seatbelts!"  WTF?  The instructor asked
> what had happened, and we all listened in horror as she described
> being in an accident and her other son (orphan..?) was decapitated by
> a shoulder belt.  The instructor asked if he had been wearing the lap
> belt (this is before they were joined with one buckle), and the answer
> was of course no.  She blamed the seatbelt.  Felt bad for the lady,
> felt worse for the kid sitting next to her.
>
> R

I used to get angry when I saw children standing in the seat and not
buckled in - not any more - Darwinism.


== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 8:51 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Feb 3, 9:20 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>  I used to get angry when I saw children standing in the seat and not
> buckled in - not any more - Darwinism.

Come visit AZ. Kids can ride, unsecured, in the back of a pickup truck
legally. Dogs, however, must be secured. We constantly see people
driving around with their kids clearly not buckled in. And the
funniest thing is, we probably have one of the lowest percentages of
any state of people who believe in natural selection.

== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 10:30 pm
From: RicodJour


On Feb 3, 11:20 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  I used to get angry when I saw children standing in the seat and not
> buckled in - not any more - Darwinism.

I find it difficult to believe you need a reason to get angry.

R

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 1:09 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<fcfe897b-24aa-4e59-94b6-b5c1186fb14a@o14g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Feb 2, 11:02 pm, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 5:14 pm, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 2, 1:49 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bobridge-breaks-boardmans-record
> >
> > > > Improved the 4k pursuit record by nearly a half second. Beat his own
> > > > best by nearly 4 seconds. Almost unheard-of advancements, no?
> >
> > > > Boardman's old record was Superman style, now banned.
> >
> > > Considering the timing of both Bobridge's and Dennis's fast times and
> > > Hurricane Godzilla hitting Cairns at the same time, is there any
> > > possibility that low pressure from the cyclone could have aided the
> > > pursuit?
> >
> > Followup: apparently not.
> >
> > http://www.seabreeze.com.au/graphs/nsw_yesterday.asp
>
> Carl - to some degree we've had these conversations before but don't
> you find it hard to accept that these are pure performances? Take
> everything we know about doping, how easy it is to boost or run a
> steroid cycle (or both), hell even Maic Malchow admitted that his
> kilos were doped. and these guys are essentially doing 4 of those in a
> row and at sea level.

Synchronized doping?

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 5:31 pm
From: ilan


On Feb 2, 8:49 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bobridge-breaks-boardmans-record
>
> Improved the 4k pursuit record by nearly a half second. Beat his own
> best by nearly 4 seconds. Almost unheard-of advancements, no?
>
> Boardman's old record was Superman style, now banned.

Consider that Cancellara should be at least 3 seconds faster than
Bobridge, even without electric motor.

-ilan

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TOPIC: wheel build
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/900e1d3eec64983b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 10:14 pm
From: Chris Taylor


Hi Everyone
I'm looking for any feedback on Velocity Road hubs I can find!
I'm looking at building a wheelset, At the moment I ride Ultegra Hubs
with Velocity Razor rims 32 Spoke 3X back and 2X front, looking to stay
around the 32 Spoke as I'm a heavy rider 105Kg
Are velocity hubs as good as Ultegra?
What hubs are as good as Ultegra or better?
Can I drop to 28 spoke rear with out problems? Hoping for some help
Thanks Chris


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 10:28 pm
From: RicodJour


On Feb 4, 1:14 am, Chris Taylor <esk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone
>  I'm looking for any feedback on Velocity Road hubs I can find!
> I'm looking at building a wheelset, At the moment I ride Ultegra Hubs
> with Velocity Razor rims 32 Spoke 3X back and 2X front, looking to stay
> around the 32 Spoke as I'm a heavy rider 105Kg
> Are velocity hubs as good as Ultegra?
> What hubs are as good as Ultegra or better?
> Can I drop to 28 spoke rear with out problems? Hoping for some help
> Thanks Chris

105 kilos? You might be dropping spokes whether you want to or not.
=:O

R


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[socialactionfoundationforequity:13051 [AIDS INDIA] Re: HIV+ may get medical insurance soon

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--- On Thu, 3/2/11, Avnish Jolly <avnishjolly@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Avnish Jolly <avnishjolly@yahoo.com>
Subject: [AIDS INDIA] Re: HIV+ may get medical insurance soon
To: "AIDS-INDIA e FORUM" <aids-india@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, 3 February, 2011, 8:37

 

Dear FORUM,

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AIDS-INDIA/message/12501

Five years back many companies come forward to provide insurance. Most of them where after media coverage. 

However, there are several issues about insuring people living with HIV. Such as who will pay the installments, after the death of PLHIV who will follow the dispersement procedure of insured money to the family of PLHIV?

Even in Health insurance the reimbursement of the money to the patient after the treatment is big issue, because there is lot of documentation and lengthy process at all levels.
 
I am dealing with many cases in consumer courts as well as High Court for the claim of patient or their family members where Insurance companies do not pay their dues for years or wants to delay the case of payment.
 
Personally I feel this is an exercise of facelift of NACP by NACO to show concern only on paper.

I observed while working in this sector, that many implementing authorities are not even sensitive on rights of infected / affected people living with HIV/AIDS. There is no correctional mechanism at all.

Incidently some of the health care scams are also giving us confidence such as the insurance sector scam in US
U.S. HEALTH CARE SCAM BAILOUT FOR INSURANCE RACKETEERS
http://foreclosureblues.wordpress.com/2010/11/14/u-s-health-care-scam-bailout-for-insurance-racketeers/
 
Top ten Scams in India
http://indianblogger.com/top-10-financial-scams-in-india/
 
Kindly think again about the detail of the proposed insurence programme for people living with HIV.

Best wishes
Avnish

Avnish Jolly,
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Chandigarh 160020, India.
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* Mother Released From Jail. Her Crime? School Choice! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/211205e1bbb7806d?hl=en
* The 20 worst criminals in the NFL - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Al Gore: Scientists Predicted Global Warming Would Cause These Snow Storms.
Huh? No They Didn't! - 17 messages, 8 authors
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* It's Official!!! No Obama Birth Certificate!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/b80ab14316ac19ec?hl=en
* Remember the Days of Sports Card Shows? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Attn: Mr Dude - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Mother Released From Jail. Her Crime? School Choice!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 8:26 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Feb 1, 1:14 pm, eric <warth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 10:15 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>
> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > How on earth did trying to provide your
> > children with a better education became a crime in the United States?
>
> Probably some Republicans living in affluent suburbs

Ohhhh puuulleeaasee!

This is a HUGE Liberal district!!!

They were pissed because the Lib "teachers" didn't have total control
of the Liberal agenda!!!

Do the work before you post!

mr dude

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TOPIC: The 20 worst criminals in the NFL
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 1:50 am
From: The NFL Report


No. 1: Robert Rozier - White hating serial killer negro.

After his playing career, Rozier did time for a series of petty crimes.
After his release he found Yahweh ben Yahweh's "Temple of Love."

From there, Rozier went on to join Yahweh's secret group, "The
Brotherhood." To gain entrance into this group, applicants had to murder a
"white devil" and return with a body part to prove it.

Rozier admitted to killing not one, but seven "white devils."

No. 2: Tommy Kane - Murdering negro.

Tommy Kane is currently serving time after pleading guilty to second-
degree murder. The charges stem from the murder of his wife.

The allegations were that Kane and his wife got into an argument after she
said she wanted a divorce. They then say he grabbed her by the hair,
dragged her into the kitchen, smashed her head against the floor and
stabbed her in the neck.

No. 3: Rae Carruth - Baby killing negro.

Rae Carruth's girlfriend, the woman carrying his baby, was shot four times
in a drive-by shooting. She survived long enough to call 9-1-1.

She described to the dispatchers that Carruth pulled up in front of her
and stopped his car so that she could not move. The assailants soon drove
up next to her and shot her. Carruth received an 18-24 year sentence for
his involvement in the crime.

No. 4: O.J. Simpson - Murdering nigger.

You know the story, right? O.J. was accused of murdering his wife and her
lover. He was found not guilty, but later was found guilty in a wrongful
death suit filed by the victim's family.

O.J. is currently in prison for his role in an armed robbery and
kidnapping case. Simpson and his accomplices broke into the hotel room of
the victims and attempted to take sports memorabilia at gunpoint.

No. 5: Jim Dunaway - Killer redneck.

Jim Dunway's ex-wife was found dead in a swimming pool. Autopsy reports
indicated that she died from a fractured skull prior to be being placed in
the pool.

Dunaway was charged with murder, but not indicted. He later was found
guilty in a wrongful death suit filed by his children.

No. 6: Darryl Henley - Negro.

Henley was convicted of trafficking cocaine, a charge in and of itself
serious enough to warrant consideration for this list.

Henley, however, went above and beyond that, and while on trial he was
found to have contacted people to kill the judge presiding over his
trafficking case.

Henley received a 41-year sentence for these crimes.

No. 7: Alonzo Spellman - Negro.

Spellman is another member on this list who suffers from repeat anger
management issues.

His temper has led to an emergency landing of a flight after allegedly,
among other things, Spellman told the pilot he was about to rip his throat
out.

He also has faced weapons charges and was involved in a standoff with
police while barricaded in his publicist's home.

No. 8: Ray Lewis - Murdering negro.

Ray Lewis was arrested for two counts of first-degree murder after he was
involved in a brawl that led to the stabbing and death of one of the
people involved. Lewis ended up pleading guilty to obstruction of justice
and the charges were dropped.

He admitted to misleading police with his statements and the suit he was
wearing during the fight was never found. Lewis ended up settling for an
undisclosed amount with the victim's family.

No. 9: Gene Atkins - Negro.

Gene Atkins has a unique and diverse rap sheet. He was charged and later
acquitted of firebombing a business associate.

He later was arrested after his wife called the police claiming Atkins had
pushed her against a wall, beat her with a remote control and bit her. The
police arrived to find him barricaded in his house. When told he was under
arrest, Atkins disagreed by saying, "No, I am not," and then punching the
officer in the throat.

No. 10: Leonard Little - Dumb negro.

Leonard Little was driving drunk, ran a red light and crashed into a
mother of two and killed her.

Little is certainly not alone in the NFL vehicular manslaughter charges,
but what places him higher is that a few years later, he was again
arrested for a DUI after he failed three field sobriety tests.

No. 11: Dwayne Goodrich - Negro.

Goodrich is currently serving time for a conviction on vehicular
manslaughter and hit-and-run charges.

These charges stemmed from an incident where Goodrich's truck struck and
killed two people who were trying to rescue a man from a burning vehicle.
Goodrich's vehicle then fled the scene.

No. 12: Lawrence Phillips - Dumb violent negro.

Lawrence Phillips may be the poster boy for anger control problems. He has
been convicted several times of assaulting women. The most notable
probably came into college when he broke into his ex's dorm and then
dragged her by the hair down three flights of stairs.

Philips is currently serving a 30-year sentence after he tried to run over
a group of teens after they got into an argument during a pick-up football
game.

No. 13: Michael Vick - Would be dead in any decent society negro.

Michael Vick did things so horrible to dogs that it has earned him a spot
on this list ahead of people whose actions resulted in the loss of human
lives.

I'm sure you know the story, but the quick version is Michael Vick earned
himself a 23-month jail sentence for his role in funding, promoting and
facilitating a dog-fighting ring and his subsequent abuse and murder of
his dogs.

No. 14: Barret Robbins - Mentally disturbed redneck.

Barret Robbins missed the Super Bowl due to a bipolar-fueled alcohol binge
to Mexico the night before the game. Things went downhill for Robbins from
there.

Robbins was charged with three counts of attempted felony murder after
police were called due to his trespassing. Robbins was reportedly found
crouching in a woman's bathroom. He charged the officers, who shot him
twice, with one bullet piercing his heart.

This was not enough to instantly subdue Robbins, as he slapped away the
gun and knocked the officer, who shot him, to the ground.

No. 15: Jim Brown - Woman beating and raping negro.

Brown has been arrested and served time on numerous occasions throughout
his life for assaulting and threatening women.

No. 16: Donte Stallworth - Negro.

Donte Stallworth pled guilty to vehicular manslaughter charges. Stallworth
admitted to being under the influence at the time of the accident.

Stallworth ended up serving 24 days in prison and serving a one-year
suspension from the NFL. For his part, Stallworth has kept his nose clean
since and as Stallworth says, "[He's] become a better decision-maker."

No. 17: Cecil Collins - Negro.

Cecil Collins is currently serving a 15-year burglary sentence. He broke
into the home of a married woman he knew from the gym.

Collins admitted that he broke in to watch the woman sleep.

No. 18: Justin Strzelczyk - Steroid abusing redneck.

Strzelczyk has far from the longest rap sheet on this list. In fact, his
placement revolves around one night. Strzelczyk was involved in an
accident and fled the scene.

He then led cops on a 40-mile chase. During the chase he allegedly threw
beer bottles at the officers and flipped them off. The chase ended when
Strzelczyk crashed head-on into a semi truck carrying flammable liquids,
resulting in the pictured aftermath and his death.

No. 19: Lawrence Taylor - Child molesting negro.

In the immortal words of Rick James, "Cocaine is a helluva drug." It also
seems to be the source of the majority of Lawrence Taylor's numerous run-
ins with the law.

His latest run-in with the law was the most serious. Taylor was charged
with statutory rape involving an incident with a 16-year-old call girl. He
ended up pleading guilty to one count of patronizing a prostitute and one
count of sexual misconduct.

No. 20: Adam "Pac-Man" Jones - Really stupid negro.

Jones worked hard to make this list. His crimes largely involve, but are
not limited to, activities taking place around strip clubs. He has beat up
strippers, bodyguards (his own) and other patrons of the club.

The most intense of his strip club incidents ended in a gun fight that
left one man paralyzed.

Honorable mention: Benjamin Todd "Ben" Roethlisberger - Redneck serial
rapist.

"Big Ben" has been publicly accused three times of raping young women. In
all three cases, criminal charges were eventually dropped in favor of
civil settlements. The law of statistics says if there were 3 that
cropped up in the public eye, there were probably 27 that didn't. The
woman who shoots him while in commission of rape, should be given a
national award for ridding America of an unrepentant serial rapist.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 3:24 pm
From: BG@yahoo.com

>No. 1: The Buffalo Bills

Taking fans hard earned money for tickets and then
failing to even try to win the game..

The Bills are so bad my kindergarden kid's team could
beat them.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 6:31 pm
From: "Lars Bernstein"


In article <0e75329fd33af68e80dfd14c3d47cff1@tioat.net>
The NFL Report <reports@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid>
wrote:
>
> No. 1: Robert Rozier - White hating serial killer negro.
>
> After his playing career, Rozier did time for a series of petty crimes.
> After his release he found Yahweh ben Yahweh's "Temple of Love."
>
> From there, Rozier went on to join Yahweh's secret group, "The
> Brotherhood." To gain entrance into this group, applicants had to murder a
> "white devil" and return with a body part to prove it.
>
> Rozier admitted to killing not one, but seven "white devils."
>
> No. 2: Tommy Kane - Murdering negro.
>
> Tommy Kane is currently serving time after pleading guilty to second-
> degree murder. The charges stem from the murder of his wife.
>
> The allegations were that Kane and his wife got into an argument after she
> said she wanted a divorce. They then say he grabbed her by the hair,
> dragged her into the kitchen, smashed her head against the floor and
> stabbed her in the neck.
>
> No. 3: Rae Carruth - Baby killing negro.
>
> Rae Carruth's girlfriend, the woman carrying his baby, was shot four times
> in a drive-by shooting. She survived long enough to call 9-1-1.
>
> She described to the dispatchers that Carruth pulled up in front of her
> and stopped his car so that she could not move. The assailants soon drove
> up next to her and shot her. Carruth received an 18-24 year sentence for
> his involvement in the crime.
>
> No. 4: O.J. Simpson - Murdering nigger.
>
> You know the story, right? O.J. was accused of murdering his wife and her
> lover. He was found not guilty, but later was found guilty in a wrongful
> death suit filed by the victim's family.
>
> O.J. is currently in prison for his role in an armed robbery and
> kidnapping case. Simpson and his accomplices broke into the hotel room of
> the victims and attempted to take sports memorabilia at gunpoint.
>
> No. 5: Jim Dunaway - Killer redneck.
>
> Jim Dunway's ex-wife was found dead in a swimming pool. Autopsy reports
> indicated that she died from a fractured skull prior to be being placed in
> the pool.
>
> Dunaway was charged with murder, but not indicted. He later was found
> guilty in a wrongful death suit filed by his children.
>
> No. 6: Darryl Henley - Negro.
>
> Henley was convicted of trafficking cocaine, a charge in and of itself
> serious enough to warrant consideration for this list.
>
> Henley, however, went above and beyond that, and while on trial he was
> found to have contacted people to kill the judge presiding over his
> trafficking case.
>
> Henley received a 41-year sentence for these crimes.
>
> No. 7: Alonzo Spellman - Negro.
>
> Spellman is another member on this list who suffers from repeat anger
> management issues.
>
> His temper has led to an emergency landing of a flight after allegedly,
> among other things, Spellman told the pilot he was about to rip his throat
> out.
>
> He also has faced weapons charges and was involved in a standoff with
> police while barricaded in his publicist's home.
>
> No. 8: Ray Lewis - Murdering negro.
>
> Ray Lewis was arrested for two counts of first-degree murder after he was
> involved in a brawl that led to the stabbing and death of one of the
> people involved. Lewis ended up pleading guilty to obstruction of justice
> and the charges were dropped.
>
> He admitted to misleading police with his statements and the suit he was
> wearing during the fight was never found. Lewis ended up settling for an
> undisclosed amount with the victim's family.
>
> No. 9: Gene Atkins - Negro.
>
> Gene Atkins has a unique and diverse rap sheet. He was charged and later
> acquitted of firebombing a business associate.
>
> He later was arrested after his wife called the police claiming Atkins had
> pushed her against a wall, beat her with a remote control and bit her. The
> police arrived to find him barricaded in his house. When told he was under
> arrest, Atkins disagreed by saying, "No, I am not," and then punching the
> officer in the throat.
>
> No. 10: Leonard Little - Dumb negro.
>
> Leonard Little was driving drunk, ran a red light and crashed into a
> mother of two and killed her.
>
> Little is certainly not alone in the NFL vehicular manslaughter charges,
> but what places him higher is that a few years later, he was again
> arrested for a DUI after he failed three field sobriety tests.
>
> No. 11: Dwayne Goodrich - Negro.
>
> Goodrich is currently serving time for a conviction on vehicular
> manslaughter and hit-and-run charges.
>
> These charges stemmed from an incident where Goodrich's truck struck and
> killed two people who were trying to rescue a man from a burning vehicle.
> Goodrich's vehicle then fled the scene.
>
> No. 12: Lawrence Phillips - Dumb violent negro.
>
> Lawrence Phillips may be the poster boy for anger control problems. He has
> been convicted several times of assaulting women. The most notable
> probably came into college when he broke into his ex's dorm and then
> dragged her by the hair down three flights of stairs.
>
> Philips is currently serving a 30-year sentence after he tried to run over
> a group of teens after they got into an argument during a pick-up football
> game.
>
> No. 13: Michael Vick - Would be dead in any decent society negro.
>
> Michael Vick did things so horrible to dogs that it has earned him a spot
> on this list ahead of people whose actions resulted in the loss of human
> lives.
>
> I'm sure you know the story, but the quick version is Michael Vick earned
> himself a 23-month jail sentence for his role in funding, promoting and
> facilitating a dog-fighting ring and his subsequent abuse and murder of
> his dogs.
>
> No. 14: Barret Robbins - Mentally disturbed redneck.
>
> Barret Robbins missed the Super Bowl due to a bipolar-fueled alcohol binge
> to Mexico the night before the game. Things went downhill for Robbins from
> there.
>
> Robbins was charged with three counts of attempted felony murder after
> police were called due to his trespassing. Robbins was reportedly found
> crouching in a woman's bathroom. He charged the officers, who shot him
> twice, with one bullet piercing his heart.
>
> This was not enough to instantly subdue Robbins, as he slapped away the
> gun and knocked the officer, who shot him, to the ground.
>
> No. 15: Jim Brown - Woman beating and raping negro.
>
> Brown has been arrested and served time on numerous occasions throughout
> his life for assaulting and threatening women.
>
> No. 16: Donte Stallworth - Negro.
>
> Donte Stallworth pled guilty to vehicular manslaughter charges. Stallworth
> admitted to being under the influence at the time of the accident.
>
> Stallworth ended up serving 24 days in prison and serving a one-year
> suspension from the NFL. For his part, Stallworth has kept his nose clean
> since and as Stallworth says, "[He's] become a better decision-maker."
>
> No. 17: Cecil Collins - Negro.
>
> Cecil Collins is currently serving a 15-year burglary sentence. He broke
> into the home of a married woman he knew from the gym.
>
> Collins admitted that he broke in to watch the woman sleep.
>
> No. 18: Justin Strzelczyk - Steroid abusing redneck.
>
> Strzelczyk has far from the longest rap sheet on this list. In fact, his
> placement revolves around one night. Strzelczyk was involved in an
> accident and fled the scene.
>
> He then led cops on a 40-mile chase. During the chase he allegedly threw
> beer bottles at the officers and flipped them off. The chase ended when
> Strzelczyk crashed head-on into a semi truck carrying flammable liquids,
> resulting in the pictured aftermath and his death.
>
> No. 19: Lawrence Taylor - Child molesting negro.
>
> In the immortal words of Rick James, "Cocaine is a helluva drug." It also
> seems to be the source of the majority of Lawrence Taylor's numerous run-
> ins with the law.
>
> His latest run-in with the law was the most serious. Taylor was charged
> with statutory rape involving an incident with a 16-year-old call girl. He
> ended up pleading guilty to one count of patronizing a prostitute and one
> count of sexual misconduct.
>
> No. 20: Adam "Pac-Man" Jones - Really stupid negro.
>
> Jones worked hard to make this list. His crimes largely involve, but are
> not limited to, activities taking place around strip clubs. He has beat up
> strippers, bodyguards (his own) and other patrons of the club.
>
> The most intense of his strip club incidents ended in a gun fight that
> left one man paralyzed.
>
> Honorable mention: Benjamin Todd "Ben" Roethlisberger - Redneck serial
> rapist.
>
> "Big Ben" has been publicly accused three times of raping young women. In
> all three cases, criminal charges were eventually dropped in favor of
> civil settlements. The law of statistics says if there were 3 that
> cropped up in the public eye, there were probably 27 that didn't. The
> woman who shoots him while in commission of rape, should be given a
> national award for ridding America of an unrepentant serial rapist.

Why isn't Bill Belichick on here? He's the biggest criminal in
the NFL by far. The man has to cheat to win, everybody knows
it, and he gets away with it.

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Storms. Huh? No They Didn't!
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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 6:13 am
From: CalC


On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
<foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>
> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>
> Consider this from another global warming bible, The Independent,
> (March 20, 2000), when the IPCC was gearing up to get us all to take
> global warming seriously:
> "
>
>     ... the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which
> are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David
> Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU)
> of the University of East Anglia [the epicentre of global warming
> research], within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare
> and exciting event". Children just aren't going to know what snow is."
>
> mr dude

It's easy dude..... just predict a little of everything and it either
didn't happen yet or you're right when it does. This guy is like a
tarot card reader and the simple minded buy that too,.


== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 6:40 am
From: cloud dreamer


On 03/02/2011 10:43 AM, CalC wrote:
> On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
>> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>>
>> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???

Why isn't every oil executive in prison??? They're making TRILLIONS off
the continued use of fossil fuels. You honestly think they don't have a
financial stake in all of this???


>>
>> Consider this from another global warming bible, The Independent,
>> (March 20, 2000), when the IPCC was gearing up to get us all to take
>> global warming seriously:
>> "
>>
>> ... the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which
>> are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David
>> Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU)
>> of the University of East Anglia [the epicentre of global warming
>> research], within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare
>> and exciting event". Children just aren't going to know what snow is."
>>
>> mr dude
>
> It's easy dude..... just predict a little of everything and it either
> didn't happen yet or you're right when it does. This guy is like a
> tarot card reader and the simple minded buy that too,.


The quote is out of context. Viner was talking about Britain, not the
globe as a whole.

No scientist has said it will stop snowing globally. In fact, anyone who
points to snow and cries foul is just plain stupid. The global temps are
up 1 degree in a century. How do they expect a winter average of -23 in
a place like Winnipeg to suddenly jump to positive numbers? The average
global temperature would have to rise by dozens of degrees for it to
stop snowing in Winnipeg. And if it ever got that warm, it would be too
hot for humans to exist.

What we are seeing is in line with what is being predicted. A warmer
atmosphere and warming ocean will produce more moisture. In summer, it
means more rain (especially in mid-latitudes). In winter, it means more
snow. This year, a strong La Nina event in the Pacific is permitting
Arctic air to descend farther north. La Nina is like someone that stands
at the fridge and holds the door open. The fridge (Arctic) warms while
everywhere south of it freezes.

So, get your head out of the sand with the asinine "oh it's snowing,
it's a hoax" bullshit. It's only proves how out of touch with reality
the deniers are.

And stop relying on Gore for your punching bag. If you're all so sure
you know more than the scientists themselves, challenge them. They are
open to challenge at realclimate.org - go there, tell them you've
figured out the whole problem and DISPUTE THEM.

Though, I'm not holding my breath.

Cowards.

..

--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us


== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 10:36 am
From: Sarah Ehrett


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:10:07 -0330, cloud dreamer <Save@Resources.now>
wrote:

>On 03/02/2011 10:43 AM, CalC wrote:
>> On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
>>> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>>>
>>> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>
>Why isn't every oil executive in prison??? They're making TRILLIONS off
>the continued use of fossil fuels. You honestly think they don't have a
>financial stake in all of this???

[ Ignoring the fact this crap is OT for asfpn-p]

Do people honestly think we can run the US on windmills and solar panels?

Get the nutter "NO NUKES" bunch off peoples arses so we can build nuclear
power plants. As it is with Obammy's anti-coal policies we'll be having
rolling black/brown outs. How about we drill for our own oil in Anwar or
in the Gulf and do it now.

BTW, do any of the anti - fossil fuelers know what happens when you have no
new power plants being built plus high energy costs as promised by Obammy
and you get hundreds of thousands of workers arriving home, plugging in
their electric cars, firing up the stoves and ovens for dinner, surfing the
net and watching the big screen TV's ...?

Be sure to vote " Obama in 2012 " .


== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 10:48 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Sarah Ehrett" <ninety7gt@cox.net> wrote in message
news:2oslk6lgr5jld2i8d7ot2updj0ancjc1m4@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:10:07 -0330, cloud dreamer <Save@Resources.now>
> wrote:
>
>>On 03/02/2011 10:43 AM, CalC wrote:
>>> On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>>> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
>>>> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>>>>
>>>> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>>
>>Why isn't every oil executive in prison??? They're making TRILLIONS off
>>the continued use of fossil fuels. You honestly think they don't have a
>>financial stake in all of this???
>
> [ Ignoring the fact this crap is OT for asfpn-p]
>
> Do people honestly think we can run the US on windmills and solar panels?
>

actually yes we can
the wind and the sun are free don't pollute and can generate unlimited
power.
T. Boone Pickens is an advocate we do just that. he seems to think with
those sources and natural gas we can wean off oil reletively easily and
quickly.


== 5 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 11:19 am
From: Sarah Ehrett


On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:48:53 -0500, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Sarah Ehrett" <ninety7gt@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:2oslk6lgr5jld2i8d7ot2updj0ancjc1m4@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:10:07 -0330, cloud dreamer <Save@Resources.now>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 03/02/2011 10:43 AM, CalC wrote:
>>>> On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>>>> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
>>>>> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>>>>>
>>>>> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>>>
>>>Why isn't every oil executive in prison??? They're making TRILLIONS off
>>>the continued use of fossil fuels. You honestly think they don't have a
>>>financial stake in all of this???
>>
>> [ Ignoring the fact this crap is OT for asfpn-p]
>>
>> Do people honestly think we can run the US on windmills and solar panels?
>>
>
>actually yes we can

Get back to me when we get an average sized size city operating entirely on
wind and solar power.

>the wind and the sun are free don't pollute and can generate unlimited
>power.
>T. Boone Pickens is an advocate we do just that. he seems to think with
>those sources and natural gas we can wean off oil reletively easily and
>quickly.

== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 11:45 am
From: cloud dreamer


On 03/02/2011 3:49 PM, Sarah Ehrett wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:48:53 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"<raymond-ohara@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Sarah Ehrett"<ninety7gt@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:2oslk6lgr5jld2i8d7ot2updj0ancjc1m4@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:10:07 -0330, cloud dreamer<Save@Resources.now>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/02/2011 10:43 AM, CalC wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>>>>> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
>>>>>> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>>>>
>>>> Why isn't every oil executive in prison??? They're making TRILLIONS off
>>>> the continued use of fossil fuels. You honestly think they don't have a
>>>> financial stake in all of this???
>>>
>>> [ Ignoring the fact this crap is OT for asfpn-p]
>>>
>>> Do people honestly think we can run the US on windmills and solar panels?
>>>
>>
>> actually yes we can
>
> Get back to me when we get an average sized size city operating entirely on
> wind and solar power.
>


And hydro and nuclear and thermal and clean coal (captured carbon).

My city gets 85% of its power from clean hydro. Within the next 3 to 6
years, it will get the other 15% from clean hydro and wind.

And some of that hydro (Lower Churchill, Labrador) will feed power grids
in the northeastern US.

So, there you go. Not only possible, but practical and happening today.

So, what do you advocate. Nothing? Do you honestly think we can afford
to do nothing? The US only has enough recoverable fossil fuels to do
them a few years. And what happens when the planet's limited supply of
oil begins to run out.

Not run out.

BEGINS to run out.

If you think the planet can make a transition suddenly to alternate
energies, you're insane. The result will be wars.

And that's climate change aside. We have to make the change now solely
due to peak oil.

..

--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us


== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 11:46 am
From: Husky


On Feb 3, 9:40 am, pipe dreamer <The Queen of Plonk> wrote:
> On 03/02/2011 10:43 AM, CalC wrote:
>
> > On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
> > <foster...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
> >> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>
> >> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>
> Why isn't every oil executive in prison??? They're making TRILLIONS off
> the continued use of fossil fuels. You honestly think they don't have a
> financial stake in all of this???
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Consider this from another global warming bible, The Independent,
> >> (March 20, 2000), when the IPCC was gearing up to get us all to take
> >> global warming seriously:
> >> "
>
> >>      ... the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which
> >> are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David
> >> Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU)
> >> of the University of East Anglia [the epicentre of global warming
> >> research], within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare
> >> and exciting event". Children just aren't going to know what snow is."
>
> >> mr dude
>
> > It's easy dude..... just predict a little of everything and it either
> > didn't happen yet or you're right when it does. This guy is like a
> > tarot card reader and the simple minded buy that too,.
>
> The quote is out of context. Viner was talking about Britain, not the
> globe as a whole.
>
> No scientist has said it will stop snowing globally. In fact, anyone who
> points to snow and cries foul is just plain stupid. The global temps are
> up 1 degree in a century. How do they expect a winter average of -23 in
> a place like Winnipeg to suddenly jump to positive numbers? The average
> global temperature would have to rise by dozens of degrees for it to
> stop snowing in Winnipeg. And if it ever got that warm, it would be too
> hot for humans to exist.
>
> What we are seeing is in line with what is being predicted. A warmer
> atmosphere and warming ocean will produce more moisture. In summer, it
> means more rain (especially in mid-latitudes). In winter, it means more
> snow. This year, a strong La Nina event in the Pacific is permitting
> Arctic air to descend farther north. La Nina is like someone that stands
> at the fridge and holds the door open. The fridge (Arctic) warms while
> everywhere south of it freezes.
>
> So, get your head out of the sand with the asinine "oh it's snowing,
> it's a hoax" bullshit. It's only proves how out of touch with reality
> the deniers are.
>
> And stop relying on Gore for your punching bag. If you're all so sure
> you know more than the scientists themselves, challenge them. They are
> open to challenge at realclimate.org - go there, tell them you've
> figured out the whole problem and DISPUTE THEM.
>
> Though, I'm not holding my breath.
>
> Cowards.
>
>   ..
>
> --
> We must change the way we live
>    Or the climate will do it for us

Hey Lady,
WTF do you mean by Cowards?
How does it feel being at the bottom of a Pyramid scheme? There are
thousands of reputable scientist who refute the mumbo jumbo you're
spouting. Gee, are we using the same equipment and exact same
locations to record temp. readings as we did a century ago? Let's
micro manage for shits and giggles: How are the numbers been for the
past 15 years?

If there's a hot summer, you say it's because of man made global
"Climate Change." If there is an unusually cold winter, you people
parrot "you don't know the difference between weather and climate."
Go polish Bill Maher's knob.


== 8 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 2:37 pm
From: Sarah Ehrett


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:15:44 -0330, cloud dreamer <Save@Resources.now>
wrote:

>On 03/02/2011 3:49 PM, Sarah Ehrett wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:48:53 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"<raymond-ohara@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Sarah Ehrett"<ninety7gt@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:2oslk6lgr5jld2i8d7ot2updj0ancjc1m4@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:10:07 -0330, cloud dreamer<Save@Resources.now>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/02/2011 10:43 AM, CalC wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>>>>>> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
>>>>>>> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>>>>>
>>>>> Why isn't every oil executive in prison??? They're making TRILLIONS off
>>>>> the continued use of fossil fuels. You honestly think they don't have a
>>>>> financial stake in all of this???
>>>>
>>>> [ Ignoring the fact this crap is OT for asfpn-p]
>>>>
>>>> Do people honestly think we can run the US on windmills and solar panels?
>>>>
>>>
>>> actually yes we can
>>
>> Get back to me when we get an average sized size city operating entirely on
>> wind and solar power.
>>
>
>
>And hydro and nuclear and thermal and clean coal (captured carbon).

No. Ray said wind and solar and currently it is not possible to run even a
small city using only wind and solar power.

>My city gets 85% of its power from clean hydro. Within the next 3 to 6
>years, it will get the other 15% from clean hydro and wind.
>
>And some of that hydro (Lower Churchill, Labrador) will feed power grids
>in the northeastern US.
>
>So, there you go. Not only possible, but practical and happening today.

In Washington DC? Atlanta Georgia? Philadelphia? Chicago? Houston
Texas? LA?

Not happening.

I live less than 20 miles from two clean coal power plants and about 40
miles from a nuclear plant. The nuke nutters has the nuclear plant all
but shut down 24/7 and Obammer wants to destroy the coal industry.

A Google listing of articles showing the EPA's denial of coal mining
permits. http://tinyurl.com/5uz6r3f

>So, what do you advocate. Nothing?

Nuclear power, natural gas, coal, and oil.

The US and other industrialized nations consume a lot of oil and will
continue to do so long after I'm toes up.


== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 2:49 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 03/02/2011 7:07 PM, Sarah Ehrett wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:15:44 -0330, cloud dreamer<Save@Resources.now>
> wrote:
>
>> On 03/02/2011 3:49 PM, Sarah Ehrett wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:48:53 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"<raymond-ohara@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Sarah Ehrett"<ninety7gt@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:2oslk6lgr5jld2i8d7ot2updj0ancjc1m4@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:10:07 -0330, cloud dreamer<Save@Resources.now>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/02/2011 10:43 AM, CalC wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>>>>>>> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
>>>>>>>> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why isn't every oil executive in prison??? They're making TRILLIONS off
>>>>>> the continued use of fossil fuels. You honestly think they don't have a
>>>>>> financial stake in all of this???
>>>>>
>>>>> [ Ignoring the fact this crap is OT for asfpn-p]
>>>>>
>>>>> Do people honestly think we can run the US on windmills and solar panels?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> actually yes we can
>>>
>>> Get back to me when we get an average sized size city operating entirely on
>>> wind and solar power.
>>>
>>
>>
>> And hydro and nuclear and thermal and clean coal (captured carbon).
>
> No. Ray said wind and solar and currently it is not possible to run even a
> small city using only wind and solar power.
>
>> My city gets 85% of its power from clean hydro. Within the next 3 to 6
>> years, it will get the other 15% from clean hydro and wind.
>>
>> And some of that hydro (Lower Churchill, Labrador) will feed power grids
>> in the northeastern US.
>>
>> So, there you go. Not only possible, but practical and happening today.
>
> In Washington DC? Atlanta Georgia? Philadelphia? Chicago? Houston
> Texas? LA?
>
> Not happening.
>
> I live less than 20 miles from two clean coal power plants and about 40
> miles from a nuclear plant. The nuke nutters has the nuclear plant all
> but shut down 24/7 and Obammer wants to destroy the coal industry.
>
> A Google listing of articles showing the EPA's denial of coal mining
> permits. http://tinyurl.com/5uz6r3f
>
>> So, what do you advocate. Nothing?
>
> Nuclear power, natural gas, coal, and oil.
>
> The US and other industrialized nations consume a lot of oil and will
> continue to do so long after I'm toes up.


Sorry. Not enough gas, coal and oil to sustain the planet indefinitely.
You're fooling yourself if you think differently.

And calling Obama names only proves you don't have an argument, only an
agenda. Lots of rhetoric. No facts.

Not wasting any more of my time.

<plonk>

..

--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us


== 10 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 2:57 pm
From: Sarah Ehrett


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:19:54 -0330, cloud dreamer <Save@Resources.now>
wrote:

>On 03/02/2011 7:07 PM, Sarah Ehrett wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:15:44 -0330, cloud dreamer<Save@Resources.now>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/02/2011 3:49 PM, Sarah Ehrett wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:48:53 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"<raymond-ohara@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sarah Ehrett"<ninety7gt@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:2oslk6lgr5jld2i8d7ot2updj0ancjc1m4@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:10:07 -0330, cloud dreamer<Save@Resources.now>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 03/02/2011 10:43 AM, CalC wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>>>>>>>> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
>>>>>>>>> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why isn't every oil executive in prison??? They're making TRILLIONS off
>>>>>>> the continued use of fossil fuels. You honestly think they don't have a
>>>>>>> financial stake in all of this???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [ Ignoring the fact this crap is OT for asfpn-p]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do people honestly think we can run the US on windmills and solar panels?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> actually yes we can
>>>>
>>>> Get back to me when we get an average sized size city operating entirely on
>>>> wind and solar power.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And hydro and nuclear and thermal and clean coal (captured carbon).
>>
>> No. Ray said wind and solar and currently it is not possible to run even a
>> small city using only wind and solar power.
>>
>>> My city gets 85% of its power from clean hydro. Within the next 3 to 6
>>> years, it will get the other 15% from clean hydro and wind.
>>>
>>> And some of that hydro (Lower Churchill, Labrador) will feed power grids
>>> in the northeastern US.
>>>
>>> So, there you go. Not only possible, but practical and happening today.
>>
>> In Washington DC? Atlanta Georgia? Philadelphia? Chicago? Houston
>> Texas? LA?
>>
>> Not happening.
>>
>> I live less than 20 miles from two clean coal power plants and about 40
>> miles from a nuclear plant. The nuke nutters has the nuclear plant all
>> but shut down 24/7 and Obammer wants to destroy the coal industry.
>>
>> A Google listing of articles showing the EPA's denial of coal mining
>> permits. http://tinyurl.com/5uz6r3f
>>
>>> So, what do you advocate. Nothing?
>>
>> Nuclear power, natural gas, coal, and oil.
>>
>> The US and other industrialized nations consume a lot of oil and will
>> continue to do so long after I'm toes up.
>
>
>Sorry. Not enough gas, coal and oil to sustain the planet indefinitely.

And yet you have not one cite to prove your position.

>You're fooling yourself if you think differently.

Nice attempt at moving goalposts and putting words in my mouth.

>And calling Obama names only proves you don't have an argument, only an
>agenda. Lots of rhetoric. No facts.

I seem to have missed all your cited facts.

>Not wasting any more of my time.
>
><plonk>
>
> ..

Poor dear. You have a history of running from the truth.


== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 3:30 pm
From: zz18@zz.com


On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:30:03 -0800 (PST), "mr
dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote:

>Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
>to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>
>This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>
>Consider this from another global warming bible, The Independent,
>(March 20, 2000), when the IPCC was gearing up to get us all to take
>global warming seriously:
>"
It's not global warming, it should really be called Global Climate
Change. That means here in Boston instead of a normal winter
with 34" of snow get ready for winters with more than 100" of snow..
(we've received close to 60" and today is only 2/3/11.

>
> ... the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which
>are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David
>Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU)
>of the University of East Anglia [the epicentre of global warming
>research], within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare
>and exciting event". Children just aren't going to know what snow is."
Wrong. Look for winters giving Boston 100+ inches of snow.


>
>mr dude


== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 4:08 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 03/02/2011 7:27 PM, Sarah Ehrett wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:19:54 -0330, cloud dreamer<Save@Resources.now>
> wrote:
>
>> On 03/02/2011 7:07 PM, Sarah Ehrett wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:15:44 -0330, cloud dreamer<Save@Resources.now>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/02/2011 3:49 PM, Sarah Ehrett wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:48:53 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"<raymond-ohara@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Sarah Ehrett"<ninety7gt@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:2oslk6lgr5jld2i8d7ot2updj0ancjc1m4@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:10:07 -0330, cloud dreamer<Save@Resources.now>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 03/02/2011 10:43 AM, CalC wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>>>>>>>>> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
>>>>>>>>>> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why isn't every oil executive in prison??? They're making TRILLIONS off
>>>>>>>> the continued use of fossil fuels. You honestly think they don't have a
>>>>>>>> financial stake in all of this???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [ Ignoring the fact this crap is OT for asfpn-p]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do people honestly think we can run the US on windmills and solar panels?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> actually yes we can
>>>>>
>>>>> Get back to me when we get an average sized size city operating entirely on
>>>>> wind and solar power.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And hydro and nuclear and thermal and clean coal (captured carbon).
>>>
>>> No. Ray said wind and solar and currently it is not possible to run even a
>>> small city using only wind and solar power.
>>>
>>>> My city gets 85% of its power from clean hydro. Within the next 3 to 6
>>>> years, it will get the other 15% from clean hydro and wind.
>>>>
>>>> And some of that hydro (Lower Churchill, Labrador) will feed power grids
>>>> in the northeastern US.
>>>>
>>>> So, there you go. Not only possible, but practical and happening today.
>>>
>>> In Washington DC? Atlanta Georgia? Philadelphia? Chicago? Houston
>>> Texas? LA?
>>>
>>> Not happening.
>>>
>>> I live less than 20 miles from two clean coal power plants and about 40
>>> miles from a nuclear plant. The nuke nutters has the nuclear plant all
>>> but shut down 24/7 and Obammer wants to destroy the coal industry.
>>>
>>> A Google listing of articles showing the EPA's denial of coal mining
>>> permits. http://tinyurl.com/5uz6r3f
>>>
>>>> So, what do you advocate. Nothing?
>>>
>>> Nuclear power, natural gas, coal, and oil.
>>>
>>> The US and other industrialized nations consume a lot of oil and will
>>> continue to do so long after I'm toes up.
>>
>>
>> Sorry. Not enough gas, coal and oil to sustain the planet indefinitely.
>
> And yet you have not one cite to prove your position.

Seriously??? You think there is??? Then you are not only fooling
yourself. You are a fool.


>
>> You're fooling yourself if you think differently.
>
> Nice attempt at moving goalposts and putting words in my mouth.

Deflection from the truth. You're fooling yourself if you think this
planet can afford to burn fossil fuels until they're gone. It's obvious
that you don't understand the most basic facts of climate change.


>
>> And calling Obama names only proves you don't have an argument, only an
>> agenda. Lots of rhetoric. No facts.
>
> I seem to have missed all your cited facts.


Go debate the scientists themselves at realclimate.org


>
>> Not wasting any more of my time.
>>
>> <plonk>
>>
>> ..
>
> Poor dear. You have a history of running from the truth.


You haven't provided any. All I see is rhetoric basic in stiff
ideological thinking instead of open minded curiosity.

I plonked you before. Now I remember why.

<plonked on my other computer>

..

== 13 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 4:10 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 03/02/2011 8:00 PM, zz18@zz.com wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:30:03 -0800 (PST), "mr
> dude@harvarduniversity.edu"<fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
>> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>>
>> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>>
>> Consider this from another global warming bible, The Independent,
>> (March 20, 2000), when the IPCC was gearing up to get us all to take
>> global warming seriously:
>> "
> It's not global warming, it should really be called Global Climate
> Change. That means here in Boston instead of a normal winter
> with 34" of snow get ready for winters with more than 100" of snow..
> (we've received close to 60" and today is only 2/3/11.
>
>
>
>>
>> ... the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which
>> are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David
>> Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU)
>> of the University of East Anglia [the epicentre of global warming
>> research], within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare
>> and exciting event". Children just aren't going to know what snow is."


> Wrong. Look for winters giving Boston 100+ inches of snow.


The man quoted was referring to England, not the United States.

But deniers don't want to put their cherry picked quotes into context.

..


== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 4:41 pm
From: Sarah Ehrett


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:38:27 -0330, cloud dreamer
<Save@Resources.now> wrote:


< Nothing of value, as usual....>

[ Flush unread histrionic babble from our resident plonker *. ]

* 1. plonker - dope, idiot, moron, wally, pillock, dunderhead, dimwit.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=plonker

== 15 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 5:13 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Feb 3, 9:40 am, cloud dreamer <S...@Resources.now> wrote:

> The quote is out of context. Viner was talking about Britain, not the
> globe as a whole.

Let me see....the topic is GLOBAL warming and now you are saying he
was only talking about England???

Here comes an "inconvenient truth" for you, England had the heaviest
snowfalls in 18 years!!! It is sorry easy to refute you people yet you
will hang on to your religion of global warming now matter how many
facts get in your way!!!

Britain is bracing itself for further disruption as fresh bands of
snow sweep across parts of the country.

South-east England has been hit by the heaviest snow in 18 years,
causing trains and buses to be cancelled, and airports and schools to
be closed.

Snow is now moving north, with the Pennines, north-east England and
the Scottish Borders at risk of seeing up to 12 inches (30cm) of
snowfall.

The Met Office has issued an extreme weather warning for much of the
UK.

As well as heavy snow in many areas, there is a risk of widespread ice
in London and south-east England as temperatures fall as low as -7C
overnight.

mr dude


== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 6:38 pm
From: CalC


On Feb 3, 1:48 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Sarah Ehrett" <ninety...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:2oslk6lgr5jld2i8d7ot2updj0ancjc1m4@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:10:07 -0330, cloud dreamer <S...@Resources.now>
> > wrote:
>
> >>On 03/02/2011 10:43 AM, CalC wrote:
> >>> On Feb 2, 7:30 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
> >>> <foster...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>> Gore is going to take credit for every weather event and try to tie it
> >>>> to "global warming" so he can keep making his millions!
>
> >>>> This is WORSE than Bernie Madoff! Why isn't Gore in prison???
>
> >>Why isn't every oil executive in prison??? They're making TRILLIONS off
> >>the continued use of fossil fuels. You honestly think they don't have a
> >>financial stake in all of this???
>
> > [ Ignoring the fact this crap is OT for asfpn-p]
>
> > Do people honestly think we can run the US on windmills and solar panels?
>
> actually yes we can
> the wind and the sun are free don't pollute and can generate unlimited
> power.
> T. Boone Pickens is an advocate we do just that. he seems to think with
> those sources and natural gas we can wean off oil reletively easily and
> quickly.

Natural Gas is still a fossil fuel and is not pollution free jackass.
You can use wind and solar for SOME of the needs but never all. Either
suck it up and build nuke plants or love that oil... You should be all
for it O'Hara the French get 75% of their electricity from them and
everything European is better right?


== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 6:46 pm
From: CalC


On Feb 3, 8:13 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
<foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 9:40 am, cloud dreamer <S...@Resources.now> wrote:
>
> > The quote is out of context. Viner was talking about Britain, not the
> > globe as a whole.
>
> Let me see....the topic is GLOBAL warming and now you are saying he
> was only talking about England???
>
> Here comes an "inconvenient truth" for you, England had the heaviest
> snowfalls in 18 years!!! It is sorry easy to refute you people yet you
> will hang on to your religion of global warming now matter how many
> facts get in your way!!!
>
> Britain is bracing itself for further disruption as fresh bands of
> snow sweep across parts of the country.
>
> South-east England has been hit by the heaviest snow in 18 years,
> causing trains and buses to be cancelled, and airports and schools to
> be closed.
>
> Snow is now moving north, with the Pennines, north-east England and
> the Scottish Borders at risk of seeing up to 12 inches (30cm) of
> snowfall.
>
> The Met Office has issued an extreme weather warning for much of the
> UK.
>
> As well as heavy snow in many areas, there is a risk of widespread ice
> in London and south-east England as temperatures fall as low as -7C
> overnight.
>
> mr dude

Here's a simple truth that isn't disputable...... if all global
warming/ climate change or any other data is truly irrefutable why lie
and manipulate it as they were caught doing in their own emails? Why
not let it stand on it's own. Point is I dont know for sure and
neither do you CloudDreamer.... it's all speculation and more data is
needed but when one side is caught gerrymandering data their whole
argument has to become suspect. Going to other sources of energy is
smart for a lot of reasons.... pollution and price two of them but
like anything the question is AT WHAT COST..... Don't tell me you need
to triple my electric bill via cap and trade to save me from the
boogeyman because you aren't going to win anyone over with that
nonsense.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 10:42 am
From: Sarah Ehrett


On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:45:46 -0800 (PST), eric <warthog0@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 29, 3:59 pm, Sarah Czepiel <ninety...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 07:33:35 -0800 (PST), eric <warth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Ridiculous. Both Honolulu newspapers published notices of birth in
>> >August 1961.
>>
>> Faulty logic.  
>>
>> My son's birth announcements were in Canadian Newspapers because their
>> maternal grandmother was a Canadian and her family ie: her grandson's
>> cousins, aunts and uncles lived in Canada.  
>>
>> Following your logic that would make my children Canadian.  
>
>The articles listed the parents address as Hawaii, and and referred to
>statistics published by the Hawaii Bureau of Heath.

Perhaps next time you argue this nonsense you'll be more accurate?

Probably not.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 10:54 am
From: Sarah Ehrett

I'm going on Saturday to the 35th Annual Cranston Sports Collectors show in
Cranston Rhode Island. Haven't been to this show in about 5 years. Last
time I bought a team signed Pats helmet for a friend in Maryland. This
year I have a short list - cards for the newest crop of current players.
Should be fun.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 2:04 pm
From: James


I can't believe you missed this story!!

HYANNIS, Mass. - Ethel Kennedy is taking responsibility for a rogue
turkey caught on video attacking a mail truck near the family compound
in Hyannisport.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 5:15 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Feb 3, 5:04 pm, James <jvhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't believe you missed this story!!
>
> HYANNIS, Mass. - Ethel Kennedy is taking responsibility for a rogue
> turkey caught on video attacking a mail truck near the family compound
> in Hyannisport.

I looked the story up on Snopes.com. It was actually an emu and not a
turkey.

mr dude


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