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* Basson on doping, life & the Universe - 8 messages, 3 authors
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* when do you know it's over? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Bobridge: pas naturellement? - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Winning The Future - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* UCI Not Corrupt? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Finally found a racing result for the new resident dope fiend - 4 messages,
2 authors
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* Not only that he teaches anguish to high school students - 1 messages, 1
author
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* Mr. Vaughters - 4 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Basson on doping, life & the Universe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/91d3dfdb97bd65af?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 3:46 pm
From: Phil H
On Feb 4, 4:22 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 1:34 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 3, 9:57 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3, 8:05 am, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > From my original comment I implied speeding was one of many
> > > > transgressions which costs 37 000 lives per year in the US yet there
> > > > has never been a "real" assault on that statistic. Its been that
> > > > number for decades.
>
> > >http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-09-09-1Aroaddeaths09_ST_N.htm
>
> > > And try sorting the chart at the following link by "fatalities per 100
> > > million v.m.t":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_...
>
> > > > While speeding on its own may not contribute much
> > > > and not paying attention on its own may not contribute much but
> > > > speeding and not paying attention........
>
> > > Yes, but hypothetically compare NOT speeding and not paying attention
> > > or simply compare speeding to not paying attention It's the "not
> > > paying attention" part that creates the problem.
>
> > > I should also note that the paramedic friend who commented about the
> > > (ir)relevance of speeding was adamant about the benefit of seatbelt
> > > use. I think her comment was that, of traffic fatalities in her
> > > personal experience, not one had been wearing a seatbelt.
> > > In essence, her experience reflected the marketing adage that "seat
> > > belts save lives."
>
> > > > If your local metropolitan population is 1 million, statistically 2
> > > > people die every week as the result of traffic "accidents".
>
> > > That does appear to be true (~2.13) even using the low 2009 "fraction
> > > of population" figure from the Wikipedia table.
>
> > > DR
>
> > "That does not seem to be true."
> > I admit that it does not seem true also. But if you investigate a
> > little closer, that report you hold up is someone (executive director
> > of the Governors Highway Safety Association) taking advantage of the
> > situation and justifying their position. The reason quoted in many
> > articles is the recession, gas prices and folks not driving as far and
> > staying closer to home. Expect it to return to normal when the economy
> > picks back up.
>
> Here's a more complete compilation of data:http://www.saferoads.org/federal/2004/TrafficFatalities1899-2003.pdf
>
> The steady decline in the "fatal rate" from to ~24 to ~1.5 is
> remarkable.
The fatal rate from 1982-2003 went from 2.7 --> 1.5. Impressive no?
The number of fatalities was flatlined. Statistics, the art or
presenting data in a favorable or not so favorable a light. Will the
real statistic please stand up. If you think about all the safety
precautions that have been put into place, seat belts, antilock
brakes, improved roads etc etc, I don't think that any fatal rate
improvement is anything to do with improved driving habits,
unfortunately. My 37 000 came from automobile statistics. If you add
in pedestrians, motorcycles, bicycles etc it would be well over 40
000. I hadn't looked at it for a couple of years so it was a bit of a
surprise to see the reduction. 20 000 a year gun associated homicides
is another I haven't looked at in a while.
Phil H
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 4:03 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On Feb 4, 2:23 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 12:40 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 3, 9:21 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3, 11:57 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I should also note that the paramedic friend who commented about the
> > > > (ir)relevance of speeding was adamant about the benefit of seatbelt
> > > > use. I think her comment was that, of traffic fatalities in her
> > > > personal experience, not one had been wearing a seatbelt.
> > > > In essence, her experience reflected the marketing adage that "seat
> > > > belts save lives."
>
> > > In a defensive driving course we had a highway patrol trooper stop
> > > in. He said he'd never had to unbuckle a dead guy.
>
> > > A few years later, at another defensive driving course (I'm big on
> > > discounts), the instructor asked first thing who always wore
> > > seatbelts - bunch of hands went up. Next question, who never wore
> > > seatbelts - one woman raised her hand. The instructor asked why, and
> > > she pointed to the ~18 yo kid next to her and said, "He wouldn't be an
> > > orphan (sic) if it weren't for seatbelts!" WTF? The instructor asked
> > > what had happened, and we all listened in horror as she described
> > > being in an accident and her other son (orphan..?) was decapitated by
> > > a shoulder belt. The instructor asked if he had been wearing the lap
> > > belt (this is before they were joined with one buckle), and the answer
> > > was of course no. She blamed the seatbelt. Felt bad for the lady,
> > > felt worse for the kid sitting next to her.
>
> > > R
>
> > It's lucky for everyone there that I wasn't around -
>
> That goes without saying. :)~
>
> > I usually don't
> > wear seat belts, and I can justify
>
> you meant rationalize, but please continue
>
> > this with accident statistics, that
> > is my own, since I've never had an accident in over 30 years and
> > hundreds of thousands of miles, empirical evidence clearly shows that
> > I probably won't have one. Note that laws and insurance rates assume
> > that my accident probabilty is reflected by the statistics of the
> > general population, reasonable since a case by case study is not
> > viable. Moreover, I can
> > further argue that the is a deterministic mechanism which precludes
> > probabilistic analysis.
>
> I could argue any position at any time, but that really has no bearing
> on random chance.
>
> > A slight rectification: the only two collisions I've had occured when
> > I was parked in a lot and someone drove into me, so I should probably
> > wear a seat bealt when in my parked vehicle.
>
> I had a car coming in the opposite direction cross the double yellow
> lines spinning. 17 year old kid in a brand new one day old sports car
> his mom leased for him. Combined speed was ~70+ and I T-boned the
> driver's door. He paid the hardest way, I walked away. Cars were
> both totaled. Even wearing the seatbelt my head banged the windshield
> hard enough to shatter it. Without the seatbelt I would have been
> launched into an Anton's Special Road Pizza.
>
> The common misconception is that risk is solely something that you are
> in control of accepting, and not a factor of the idiots behind the
> wheels of other cars.
>
> Here's to hoping we both follow our paths to a ripe old age, and die
> quickly without ever see it coming. Like that guy in Vanishing Point.http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7dtzr_vanishing-point-finale_news
> You can skip to 2 minutes in (if you're a Philistine).
>
> R
Despite all the bullshit we toss at each other I'm glad you wore a
seatbelt.
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 4:06 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On Feb 4, 2:23 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 12:40 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 3, 9:21 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3, 11:57 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I should also note that the paramedic friend who commented about the
> > > > (ir)relevance of speeding was adamant about the benefit of seatbelt
> > > > use. I think her comment was that, of traffic fatalities in her
> > > > personal experience, not one had been wearing a seatbelt.
> > > > In essence, her experience reflected the marketing adage that "seat
> > > > belts save lives."
>
> > > In a defensive driving course we had a highway patrol trooper stop
> > > in. He said he'd never had to unbuckle a dead guy.
>
> > > A few years later, at another defensive driving course (I'm big on
> > > discounts), the instructor asked first thing who always wore
> > > seatbelts - bunch of hands went up. Next question, who never wore
> > > seatbelts - one woman raised her hand. The instructor asked why, and
> > > she pointed to the ~18 yo kid next to her and said, "He wouldn't be an
> > > orphan (sic) if it weren't for seatbelts!" WTF? The instructor asked
> > > what had happened, and we all listened in horror as she described
> > > being in an accident and her other son (orphan..?) was decapitated by
> > > a shoulder belt. The instructor asked if he had been wearing the lap
> > > belt (this is before they were joined with one buckle), and the answer
> > > was of course no. She blamed the seatbelt. Felt bad for the lady,
> > > felt worse for the kid sitting next to her.
>
> > > R
>
> > It's lucky for everyone there that I wasn't around -
>
> That goes without saying. :)~
>
> > I usually don't
> > wear seat belts, and I can justify
>
> you meant rationalize, but please continue
>
> > this with accident statistics, that
> > is my own, since I've never had an accident in over 30 years and
> > hundreds of thousands of miles, empirical evidence clearly shows that
> > I probably won't have one. Note that laws and insurance rates assume
> > that my accident probabilty is reflected by the statistics of the
> > general population, reasonable since a case by case study is not
> > viable. Moreover, I can
> > further argue that the is a deterministic mechanism which precludes
> > probabilistic analysis.
>
> I could argue any position at any time, but that really has no bearing
> on random chance.
>
> > A slight rectification: the only two collisions I've had occured when
> > I was parked in a lot and someone drove into me, so I should probably
> > wear a seat bealt when in my parked vehicle.
>
> I had a car coming in the opposite direction cross the double yellow
> lines spinning. 17 year old kid in a brand new one day old sports car
> his mom leased for him. Combined speed was ~70+ and I T-boned the
> driver's door. He paid the hardest way, I walked away. Cars were
> both totaled. Even wearing the seatbelt my head banged the windshield
> hard enough to shatter it. Without the seatbelt I would have been
> launched into an Anton's Special Road Pizza.
>
> The common misconception is that risk is solely something that you are
> in control of accepting, and not a factor of the idiots behind the
> wheels of other cars.
>
> Here's to hoping we both follow our paths to a ripe old age, and die
> quickly without ever see it coming. Like that guy in Vanishing Point.http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7dtzr_vanishing-point-finale_news
> You can skip to 2 minutes in (if you're a Philistine).
>
> R
He should have been wearing a seatbelt or gone around the bulldozers.
At least that's how I was raised.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 4:08 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On Feb 4, 5:46 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 4:22 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 4, 1:34 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3, 9:57 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 3, 8:05 am, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > From my original comment I implied speeding was one of many
> > > > > transgressions which costs 37 000 lives per year in the US yet there
> > > > > has never been a "real" assault on that statistic. Its been that
> > > > > number for decades.
>
> > > >http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-09-09-1Aroaddeaths09_ST_N.htm
>
> > > > And try sorting the chart at the following link by "fatalities per 100
> > > > million v.m.t":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_...
>
> > > > > While speeding on its own may not contribute much
> > > > > and not paying attention on its own may not contribute much but
> > > > > speeding and not paying attention........
>
> > > > Yes, but hypothetically compare NOT speeding and not paying attention
> > > > or simply compare speeding to not paying attention It's the "not
> > > > paying attention" part that creates the problem.
>
> > > > I should also note that the paramedic friend who commented about the
> > > > (ir)relevance of speeding was adamant about the benefit of seatbelt
> > > > use. I think her comment was that, of traffic fatalities in her
> > > > personal experience, not one had been wearing a seatbelt.
> > > > In essence, her experience reflected the marketing adage that "seat
> > > > belts save lives."
>
> > > > > If your local metropolitan population is 1 million, statistically 2
> > > > > people die every week as the result of traffic "accidents".
>
> > > > That does appear to be true (~2.13) even using the low 2009 "fraction
> > > > of population" figure from the Wikipedia table.
>
> > > > DR
>
> > > "That does not seem to be true."
> > > I admit that it does not seem true also. But if you investigate a
> > > little closer, that report you hold up is someone (executive director
> > > of the Governors Highway Safety Association) taking advantage of the
> > > situation and justifying their position. The reason quoted in many
> > > articles is the recession, gas prices and folks not driving as far and
> > > staying closer to home. Expect it to return to normal when the economy
> > > picks back up.
>
> > Here's a more complete compilation of data:http://www.saferoads.org/federal/2004/TrafficFatalities1899-2003.pdf
>
> > The steady decline in the "fatal rate" from to ~24 to ~1.5 is
> > remarkable.
>
> The fatal rate from 1982-2003 went from 2.7 --> 1.5. Impressive no?
> The number of fatalities was flatlined. Statistics, the art or
> presenting data in a favorable or not so favorable a light. Will the
> real statistic please stand up. If you think about all the safety
> precautions that have been put into place, seat belts, antilock
> brakes, improved roads etc etc, I don't think that any fatal rate
> improvement is anything to do with improved driving habits,
> unfortunately. My 37 000 came from automobile statistics. If you add
> in pedestrians, motorcycles, bicycles etc it would be well over 40
> 000. I hadn't looked at it for a couple of years so it was a bit of a
> surprise to see the reduction. 20 000 a year gun associated homicides
> is another I haven't looked at in a while.
> Phil H
Bloody fucking hell mate - 1/3 is due to excessive speed and the
number is way lower than the one you've cited originally and danced
around ever since.
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 6:33 pm
From: Phil H
On Feb 4, 5:08 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 5:46 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 4, 4:22 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 4, 1:34 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 3, 9:57 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 3, 8:05 am, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > From my original comment I implied speeding was one of many
> > > > > > transgressions which costs 37 000 lives per year in the US yet there
> > > > > > has never been a "real" assault on that statistic. Its been that
> > > > > > number for decades.
>
> > > > >http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-09-09-1Aroaddeaths09_ST_N.htm
>
> > > > > And try sorting the chart at the following link by "fatalities per 100
> > > > > million v.m.t":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_...
>
> > > > > > While speeding on its own may not contribute much
> > > > > > and not paying attention on its own may not contribute much but
> > > > > > speeding and not paying attention........
>
> > > > > Yes, but hypothetically compare NOT speeding and not paying attention
> > > > > or simply compare speeding to not paying attention It's the "not
> > > > > paying attention" part that creates the problem.
>
> > > > > I should also note that the paramedic friend who commented about the
> > > > > (ir)relevance of speeding was adamant about the benefit of seatbelt
> > > > > use. I think her comment was that, of traffic fatalities in her
> > > > > personal experience, not one had been wearing a seatbelt.
> > > > > In essence, her experience reflected the marketing adage that "seat
> > > > > belts save lives."
>
> > > > > > If your local metropolitan population is 1 million, statistically 2
> > > > > > people die every week as the result of traffic "accidents".
>
> > > > > That does appear to be true (~2.13) even using the low 2009 "fraction
> > > > > of population" figure from the Wikipedia table.
>
> > > > > DR
>
> > > > "That does not seem to be true."
> > > > I admit that it does not seem true also. But if you investigate a
> > > > little closer, that report you hold up is someone (executive director
> > > > of the Governors Highway Safety Association) taking advantage of the
> > > > situation and justifying their position. The reason quoted in many
> > > > articles is the recession, gas prices and folks not driving as far and
> > > > staying closer to home. Expect it to return to normal when the economy
> > > > picks back up.
>
> > > Here's a more complete compilation of data:http://www.saferoads.org/federal/2004/TrafficFatalities1899-2003.pdf
>
> > > The steady decline in the "fatal rate" from to ~24 to ~1.5 is
> > > remarkable.
>
> > The fatal rate from 1982-2003 went from 2.7 --> 1.5. Impressive no?
> > The number of fatalities was flatlined. Statistics, the art or
> > presenting data in a favorable or not so favorable a light. Will the
> > real statistic please stand up. If you think about all the safety
> > precautions that have been put into place, seat belts, antilock
> > brakes, improved roads etc etc, I don't think that any fatal rate
> > improvement is anything to do with improved driving habits,
> > unfortunately. My 37 000 came from automobile statistics. If you add
> > in pedestrians, motorcycles, bicycles etc it would be well over 40
> > 000. I hadn't looked at it for a couple of years so it was a bit of a
> > surprise to see the reduction. 20 000 a year gun associated homicides
> > is another I haven't looked at in a while.
> > Phil H
>
> Bloody fucking hell mate - 1/3 is due to excessive speed and the
> number is way lower than the one you've cited originally and danced
> around ever since.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
1/3 of what? I quoted 37 000 automobile deaths for the last couple of
decades. Going back from 2009 the numbers are.......
30,797 34,172 37,435 38,648 39,252 38,444 38,477
38,491 37,862 37,526 37,140 37,107 37,324 37,494 37,241
36,254. Oh I get it, you thought I said these deaths were all due to
speeding. I said speeding was one of many transgressions which caused
the total number of deaths meaning speeding wasn't the only cause.
Thanks for supplying the 1/3 though that reinforces my original point
about sports doping and speeding.
Phil H
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 8:03 pm
From: RicodJour
On Feb 4, 7:03 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2:23 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 4, 12:40 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3, 9:21 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 3, 11:57 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I should also note that the paramedic friend who commented about the
> > > > > (ir)relevance of speeding was adamant about the benefit of seatbelt
> > > > > use. I think her comment was that, of traffic fatalities in her
> > > > > personal experience, not one had been wearing a seatbelt.
> > > > > In essence, her experience reflected the marketing adage that "seat
> > > > > belts save lives."
>
> > > > In a defensive driving course we had a highway patrol trooper stop
> > > > in. He said he'd never had to unbuckle a dead guy.
>
> > > > A few years later, at another defensive driving course (I'm big on
> > > > discounts), the instructor asked first thing who always wore
> > > > seatbelts - bunch of hands went up. Next question, who never wore
> > > > seatbelts - one woman raised her hand. The instructor asked why, and
> > > > she pointed to the ~18 yo kid next to her and said, "He wouldn't be an
> > > > orphan (sic) if it weren't for seatbelts!" WTF? The instructor asked
> > > > what had happened, and we all listened in horror as she described
> > > > being in an accident and her other son (orphan..?) was decapitated by
> > > > a shoulder belt. The instructor asked if he had been wearing the lap
> > > > belt (this is before they were joined with one buckle), and the answer
> > > > was of course no. She blamed the seatbelt. Felt bad for the lady,
> > > > felt worse for the kid sitting next to her.
>
> > > > R
>
> > > It's lucky for everyone there that I wasn't around -
>
> > That goes without saying. :)~
>
> > > I usually don't
> > > wear seat belts, and I can justify
>
> > you meant rationalize, but please continue
>
> > > this with accident statistics, that
> > > is my own, since I've never had an accident in over 30 years and
> > > hundreds of thousands of miles, empirical evidence clearly shows that
> > > I probably won't have one. Note that laws and insurance rates assume
> > > that my accident probabilty is reflected by the statistics of the
> > > general population, reasonable since a case by case study is not
> > > viable. Moreover, I can
> > > further argue that the is a deterministic mechanism which precludes
> > > probabilistic analysis.
>
> > I could argue any position at any time, but that really has no bearing
> > on random chance.
>
> > > A slight rectification: the only two collisions I've had occured when
> > > I was parked in a lot and someone drove into me, so I should probably
> > > wear a seat bealt when in my parked vehicle.
>
> > I had a car coming in the opposite direction cross the double yellow
> > lines spinning. 17 year old kid in a brand new one day old sports car
> > his mom leased for him. Combined speed was ~70+ and I T-boned the
> > driver's door. He paid the hardest way, I walked away. Cars were
> > both totaled. Even wearing the seatbelt my head banged the windshield
> > hard enough to shatter it. Without the seatbelt I would have been
> > launched into an Anton's Special Road Pizza.
>
> > The common misconception is that risk is solely something that you are
> > in control of accepting, and not a factor of the idiots behind the
> > wheels of other cars.
>
> > Here's to hoping we both follow our paths to a ripe old age, and die
> > quickly without ever see it coming. Like that guy in Vanishing Point.http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7dtzr_vanishing-point-finale_news
> > You can skip to 2 minutes in (if you're a Philistine).
>
>
> Despite all the bullshit we toss at each other I'm glad you wore a
> seatbelt.
Thank you - me, too. Are we done with the hugging now?
Send me a fucking pizza, dumbass. You're a goddamned pizza-tease.
Mussolini was one and look what they did to him.
R
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 8:04 pm
From: RicodJour
On Feb 4, 7:06 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2:23 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here's to hoping we both follow our paths to a ripe old age, and die
> > quickly without ever see it coming. Like that guy in Vanishing Point.http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7dtzr_vanishing-point-finale_news
> > You can skip to 2 minutes in (if you're a Philistine).
>
>
> He should have been wearing a seatbelt or gone around the bulldozers.
> At least that's how I was raised.
The Dukes of Hazard would have jumped the General Lee right over those
dozers.
R
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 8:06 pm
From: RicodJour
On Feb 4, 9:33 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 5:08 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Bloody fucking hell mate - 1/3 is due to excessive speed and the
> > number is way lower than the one you've cited originally and danced
> > around ever since.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> 1/3 of what? I quoted 37 000 automobile deaths for the last couple of
> decades. Going back from 2009 the numbers are.......
> 30,797 34,172 37,435 38,648 39,252 38,444 38,477
> 38,491 37,862 37,526 37,140 37,107 37,324 37,494 37,241
> 36,254. Oh I get it, you thought I said these deaths were all due to
> speeding. I said speeding was one of many transgressions which caused
> the total number of deaths meaning speeding wasn't the only cause.
> Thanks for supplying the 1/3 though that reinforces my original point
> about sports doping and speeding.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2011/01/19/indeed_a_link_between_miles_driven_and_accident_risk/?tr=y&auid=7716163
I think they're saying that it's okay to speed if you only do it for
short distances. That's probably why drag racing is so safe.
R
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TOPIC: when do you know it's over?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a1fb579eea03225d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 3:59 pm
From: Phil H
On Feb 2, 10:28 am, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:54 am, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 6:24 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 12:30 am, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I was thinking about Jobst's catastrophic accident, and I was wondering
> > > > what does it take to finally quit cycling. For most of us, cycling is a
> > > > way of life, but all good things come to an end. For some, it was being
> > > > hit by a car, for others it was when they no longer really compete at
> > > > any level, and for some maybe they just get bored with it. For those of
> > > > you who have quit riding, how did you reach that decision, and what did
> > > > you replace it with, if anything?
>
> > > The passionate never quit, even when they've already lost. They just
> > > don't get out so often now. I've seen many men in their 70's and 80's
> > > continue to pedal despite difficulties. I remember meeting this old
> > > fat bloke on the road who happened to be a world class top sprinter at
> > > 54 (last professional engagement), it was ten years later and he was
> > > challenging skinny little me at 17 and little experience on my race
> > > frame. "I'll race you to the roundabout?" he offered, I declined (oh
> > > how I wish I hadn't), I was unsure whether It would have been me or
> > > him who would have been embaressed. I didn't know until a few minutes
> > > later after he left me it was Reg Harris and got told his story. It
> > > was obviously an unfair challenge. So although he had already
> > > officially professionaly retired, twice, he couldn't give up his
> > > passion for the bike or for racing. I believe he died of a heart
> > > attack after a ride three years later.
>
> > > World pursuit champion of 195x Norman Sheil was track racing at 70, I
> > > don't know if he still is. John Geddes must be around the same age
> > > and still rides. Just like Tommy Simpson, it wouldn't surprise me if
> > > these men and other top performers will also ride to their death. "If
> > > it aint hurting, you're not trying, lad" was a coaching phrase still
> > > used in late 80's Pain is an accompianment to success for these
> > > people, continuing to ride on despite cardiac pain is not surprising.
>
> > I train with Franz Hammer and he's 74 and a multi national masters
> > road racing champ. He's had previous health issues (prostrate C) but
> > has bounced back and still loves to ride, race and train hard. Phil H
>
> Is he related to Sarah Hammer?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sarah is no relation, he knows her and met her dad (he was involved in
a business with Troxel Helmets). Franz was born and raised in
Switzerland and came to the US as a young adult. He was involved in
the cycling business, Olympic Sports as both a team rider and
employee.
Phil H
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 7:36 pm
From: Mike
On Feb 1, 5:30 pm, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I was thinking about Jobst's catastrophic accident, and I was wondering
> what does it take to finally quit cycling. For most of us, cycling is a
> way of life, but all good things come to an end. For some, it was being
> hit by a car, for others it was when they no longer really compete at
> any level, and for some maybe they just get bored with it. For those of
> you who have quit riding, how did you reach that decision, and what did
> you replace it with, if anything?
This is an obvious answer: Replace it with pizza making, googling
other peoples names, posting on RBR, being fat and not having sex with
your unsatisfied wife - that is what most people here seem to do.
I still ride a fixed gear, it's better than driving and I get to
impress
all the hipsters - I'm the coolest kid on my block.
My knee is busted, I still ride, if the Dr. can fix it I will train
four hours a week and race locally again, it's fun and easy, most
people really suck at cycling, which is why they make pizza.
You can fly those model airplanes, paintball, woodworking, cocaine or
meth, there are all kinds of hobbies.
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TOPIC: Bobridge: pas naturellement?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0f14d2004f3dbf51?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 4:10 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On Feb 3, 7:31 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 8:49 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bobridge-breaks-boardmans-record
>
> > Improved the 4k pursuit record by nearly a half second. Beat his own
> > best by nearly 4 seconds. Almost unheard-of advancements, no?
>
> > Boardman's old record was Superman style, now banned.
>
> Consider that Cancellara should be at least 3 seconds faster than
> Bobridge, even without electric motor.
>
> -ilan
I don't think FC could wind it up that fast. He is more like a
train.
Might make an interesting hour attempt.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 5:29 pm
From: Carl Sundquist
On Feb 4, 6:10 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 7:31 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 2, 8:49 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bobridge-breaks-boardmans-record
>
> > > Improved the 4k pursuit record by nearly a half second. Beat his own
> > > best by nearly 4 seconds. Almost unheard-of advancements, no?
>
> > > Boardman's old record was Superman style, now banned.
>
> > Consider that Cancellara should be at least 3 seconds faster than
> > Bobridge, even without electric motor.
>
> > -ilan
>
> I don't think FC could wind it up that fast. He is more like a
> train.
>
> Might make an interesting hour attempt.
1:06.5 starting kilo
1:00.8
1:01.5
1:01.7
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 5:56 pm
From: ilan
On Feb 5, 1:10 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 7:31 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 2, 8:49 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bobridge-breaks-boardmans-record
>
> > > Improved the 4k pursuit record by nearly a half second. Beat his own
> > > best by nearly 4 seconds. Almost unheard-of advancements, no?
>
> > > Boardman's old record was Superman style, now banned.
>
> > Consider that Cancellara should be at least 3 seconds faster than
> > Bobridge, even without electric motor.
>
> > -ilan
>
> I don't think FC could wind it up that fast. He is more like a
> train.
>
> Might make an interesting hour attempt.
Look at his prologues over technical courses, he has blistering
accelerations out of tight corners, clearly better than most of his
nearest rivals.
-ilan
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TOPIC: Winning The Future
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7268ab3bc029f289?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 4:12 pm
From: Anton Berlin
> Carrier Choices After Cycling - Re-enrolling at LMC 401
That's god damn hilarious.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 7:42 pm
From: "William R. Mattil"
On 2/4/2011 3:30 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>
> What's your major?
>
Eastern Philosophy and Cowboy Movies.
The Ying, The Yang and the Bang Bang.
Bill
--
William R. Mattil
http://www.celestial-images.com
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TOPIC: UCI Not Corrupt?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6e9a3b1f30cba1cf?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 5:05 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"Frederick the Great" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:rubrum-E3F609.11375304022011@Hello.NetWork...
> In article <0P2dnWuif4Nor9bQnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
>> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:66717a83-6df0-4717-a44e-69111d4695df@a28g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> > The only way to eliminate the fraud and corruption is to eliminate the
>> > profit motive for overseers, cheaters etc.
>> >
>> > It's like EBAY - they don't really care about shill bidding because
>> > their profits are greater when shill bidding occurs. I've documented
>> > several cases of shill bidding, EBAY usually turns them off for a few
>> > weeks and then they're back selling either with the same account or a
>> > new account.
>> >
>> > If an outside agency policed the fraud on EBAY it would cease
>> > overnight. Same with doping and cycling.
>>
>> Anton: It's so much simpler than even that. A huge percentage of stolen
>> merchandise would disappear from eBay if they required just one thing-
>> Serial numbers included with descriptions, where available. This would
>> cost
>> eBay zero, and enforcement would be through the feedback mechanism.
>> Cleaning
>> up cycling is far more complicated.
>
> Cycling will not be clean until the last professional
> race is discontinued.
>
> --
> Old Fritz
I rode maybe two pro-am races so I can't speak to the pros but there was
plenty of it in the amateur ranks back in the day. It wasn't part of a
system; more like an extension of recreational drug use. Kids popping
amphetamines. Why do you think getting rid of the pros will clean things up?
You'd get rid of some of the big $$$ and maybe see less-scientific doping,
but it's not going to go away.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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TOPIC: Finally found a racing result for the new resident dope fiend
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/64754facc3436252?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 6:08 pm
From: Mike
wow, what a bunch of fat googling hater losers.
Sigh..
I quit bike racing in 1998, at the age of 25, I spend a few years
trying my best, I went from
cat. 5 to cat. 1 in three years. but I was nothing special.
In 2006, I rode my bike from my home to downtown Albuquerque and did a
crit on a one day license.
I was riding with downtube shifters.
I got in a break with some very fast guys and rotated for an hour,
attacked on the last lap and got fourth.
Jamie Gandara, a pro on Kenda won the race, he pulled for %90 of the
time and deserved the win,
we were riding against two other guys on the same team, Randy and Dan,
who were always much
faster than me.
After the race, I collected $200 and then a week later I was told that
ex-cat. 1's have to race
as CAT. 5's, on a one day license which made no sense and I was DNF
but I kept the money - I earned it!
Now if you want to get more personal, I turned a 52 minute 40k in the
win, and won some
DETT's, double eagle time trials, after I quit racing.
While racing, I got 9th at Bisbee overall, 15th overall at Tucson
Classic, and some prologues at
some stage races. I did superweek and saw the real dope fiends in
action.
I hope I'm good enough to post here, if not let me know...
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 6:40 pm
From: Mike
On Jan 31, 7:49 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Unless the race promoter identified him as a "Dairy Queen" this looks
> par for the course.
>
> http://www.nmcycling.org/results/2006/results/DowntownCrit.pdf
>
> Maybe he's both.
I have no idea what you are talking about, a Dairy Queen? I like a
Chocolate Buster Parfait after my kids
little league baseball game as much as the next guy, but this
reference is so obscure to me it isn't offensive in any way.
This was 8 years after I quit racing...and I got fourth, and I was
racing on a
bike with downtube shifters and 14 year old tri-spokes? I was on 6
cups of
coffee at the time, that was it.
Am I supposed to be embarrassed about this?
I got fourth at a local pro/cat downtown crit 8 years after I quit
racing?
Again, I don't care what you think of me, but I have the idea that
maybe
your palmares are not so impressive. Maybe they are - brag about
yourself, I would love to know
the race results of guys that spend most of their time googling other
people - you could be out training that
whole time, and then maybe you could get fourth at a local race. Who
knows?
But you are unwilling, which is fine - and we really don't care about
your pizza making abilities, which may be impressive,
but not bicycle related.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 7:00 pm
From: Mike
On Jan 31, 9:47 pm, Fred Fredburger
<FredFredF...@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:
> On 1/31/2011 6:49 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> > Unless the race promoter identified him as a "Dairy Queen" this looks
> > par for the course.
>
> >http://www.nmcycling.org/results/2006/results/DowntownCrit.pdf
>
> > Maybe he's both.
>
> Kiddies, this is why you should never, EVER tell strangers your name.
Hey Fred,
Here is a result from 1999, when I was actually trying to race:
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/apr99/apr26.shtml
15th out of 120 guys at the Tucson Classic - a regional stage race,
nothing special,
but please don't call me out anymore, I was exactly what I claim
to be : a mediocre cat. 1. I quit racing pretty soon after this, I
wanted to try something new:
financially supporting myself.
Do I really need to defend myself? I was trying me best.
You are probably a fat dude that spends his time googling, maybe you
don't want anyone
to know your name for a reason.
I respect Brad Anders for not being a pussy, he never knew me but I
knew of him
for a reason, at least he was a real person and not a sycophantic
newsgroup fanboy troll.
If you raced, and know about Brewers Hill and Gates Pass and Mogollon,
just email me
and we can talk...
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 8:11 pm
From: RicodJour
On Feb 4, 9:08 pm, Mike <fatschitz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> but I was nothing special.
Your self-awareness is exemplary, Matt.
R
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TOPIC: Not only that he teaches anguish to high school students
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8571cca5d6867ac7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 7:05 pm
From: Mike
>
> http://www.cyclebanter.com/archive/index.php/t-84741.html
>
> 'tom danielson and some of his chronies used to race collegiately for
> FLC, this was the late 90's, and they were well known as the
> squirilliest bunch of mountain bikers ever to hit the tarmac, knees
> and
> elbows out, couldn't hold a straight line, rotating the wrong way in
> the wind, overlapped wheels, scary stuff.
> once in a crosswind in a flat race, I saw one of them - not him - fly
> off the side of the road, into a ditch, at 30mph, rather than use his
> breaks I guess. then he chased back, all dirty and torn up, rambo
> style."
>
Anton,
are you obsessed with me now? I hope not, that would really be sad...
Have you read all my stuff, I wrote some at the backs for Velonews,
you can order some back issues and masturbate to them,
Mike
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TOPIC: Mr. Vaughters
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f4a7f041c71016e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 7:11 pm
From: Mike
On Feb 2, 12:53 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a2b086b4-ca7d-4ab7-8ea0-a35c628367b2@8g2000prt.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 31, 8:22 pm, Mike <mtschatz...@gmail.com> wrote:> Brad was being a jerk, so I did the same thing, I don't have anything
> > against Brad,
> > he wrote some interesting stuff back in the day for Cycle Sport, he
> > shouldn't care what
> > I think of him and I didn't say anything that wasn't true.
>
> =====
> Dimwit, I never wrote for Cycle Sport. I did have a column in Winning
> for a short while, but that's the extent of my cycling journalism. I'm
> beginning to think you've got me confused with Bruce Hildenbrand, who
> is a close friend of Andy Hampsten, has written for Cycle Sport, and
> told me around that time about doing a local ride with Maynard with
> the BBC. Definitely more "high profile" to use your words. Bruce is
> also a lot more glib than I am on the bike, as I spent most of my time
> just trying to hang on. Maybe all that dope you were taking at the
> time got you a little confused.
>
> BTW, if it was Bruce and not me, thought I'd mention that he's been
> retired from Sun Microsystems (18 year career) for over a decade and
> is a successful cycling photojournalist, still writing for major
> periodicals. He actually was at or near a Cat 1 level years ago,
> again, looks like he made a good choice, too.
> =====
Ouch, holy crap Brad is right, I mistook him for Bruce Hildebrand, who
never
questioned my mental health.
I am a total loser and apologize to Mr. Anders and Hildebrand.
How do you say you are sorry on RBR?
Dear Brad,
I am a dimwit, and sorry, you are probably not the person I was even
making fun of,
but all you white nerdy norcal masters looked and sounded the same to
me
at the time...kill me.
Dumbassedly yours,
Mike Schatzman
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 7:16 pm
From: Mike
On Feb 2, 12:59 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a4911c0c-68ce-497b-9413-694d7ae68a7a@k22g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 2, 8:31 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On 2/1/2011 11:43 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 1, 10:53 pm, "H. Fred Kveck"<YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Brad Anders<pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Jan 31, 8:38 pm, Mike<mtschatz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Goodbye, and continue being a pro cycling sycophant despite all the
> > >>>> evidence that your heroes are drug addicted junkies.
> > >>> Hope you enjoyed the ride that the club I co-founded organized, and I
> > >>> hope the alphabet soup of drugs and crap you personally admitted to
> > >>> taking, in order to cut it as a backmarker Cat 1, helped you in your
> > >>> mid-20's to beat the shit out of a bunch of 40+ masters and cat 4/5's
> > >>> on a casual training ride.
>
> > >> That's the part that keeps me wondering: If the events happened as Mike
> > >> described,
> > >> did anyone else know that it was a race?
>
> > > To sum up - a loser-doper is pissed that a doper-winner fired somebody
> > > without his permission. My brain hurts from just typing that and I
> > > didn't even think about it.
>
> > > But 20 years ago he did beat Brad to some town signs, or someone who
> > > looked like Brad, or maybe not, but he did beat somebody somewhere who
> > > may or may not have known it was a race. So it's settled - he's
> > > really, really good.
>
> > > R
>
> > Maybe he beat Brad. Maybe it was Bruce.
>
> > I don't know about you guys but I get Karen Kurreck and Andy
> > Hampsten mixed up all the time. So I can understand the
> > difficulty in telling Brad/Bruce apart. Some guy named Br(*)
> > yammering about his friend the high level racer. Tough to keep
> > it all straight.
>
> > Fred Flintstein
>
> ====
> What's worse having only one day of glory or milking it for the rest
> of your life? This is the story of many a cyclist.
> ====
>
> Neither. What's worse is figuring out if you're a has-been or never-was.
> That is likely the story of even more.
>
> If I'm to look back at my "greatest" accomplishments, they'd have to be the
> things that were unexpected. Races where one was greatly outclassed but did
> well because you knew all the right places at the right times (generally my
> specialty; I could "read" people probably better than anyone in the field).
>
> But in the end, it was successful when measured as being fun, not measured
> against traditional standards of success (that being, minimizing the
> difference between what you accomplished and what you *could* have
> accomplished if you'd had your act together. This is a very harsh way to
> view things, but keeps you on your toes in business. So you end up with a
> day that's got a lot of $$$ in the register and everyone's impressed but me,
> because I'm thinking of the ones that got away and what could have been).
>
> As for rbr, I consider my goal to be finding something rational to discuss
> in an irrational discussion, and de-polarize if possible. So either I've
> reset my standards very, very low, or I've picked something where I will
> never come close to success.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
My time racing was one of the "funner" times of my life, I have a lot
of funny memories, I'm sure you do too.
Cat. 1 or 2 didn't matter much, I was upgraded with less than 20
points because my team
were 1's and the local rep was cool enough to let me slide.
Only a few races, VOS, superweek, GIla, and the early spring Fresno
races were
straight pro/1 anyway,
I think finding a serious cyclist or ex-cyclist on RBR is hard, they
are usually lurkers that only chime in once in a while, which is a
shame. Meanwhile, the cat 6 freds pontificate on every possible
subject - including pizza and YEAST.
It's worse now than it was a few years ago..but again, it's funny
stuff isn't it?
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 7:24 pm
From: Mike
On Feb 2, 9:58 pm, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 8:14 pm, "H. Fred Kveck" <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> Who uses credit cards? I use a debit card. To me that's the same as
> cash (except for the paper trail) and I have an agency to support me
> if I have a dispute. Plus it's hard to use cash for online ordering.
Wait, what?
instead of FRED FREDLISON or Anton whatever, here is an actual
CYCLIST.
Carl is a person I didn't know - but knew of by his excellent
reputation - when I raced.
I never heard of fred or anton for some
reason. Maybe they were too awesome for me, at both cycling and
writing, which is why I
never heard of them. They are both very good - cat 3 level - at
posting a lot on RBR,
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 4 2011 8:08 pm
From: Fred Fredburger
On 2/4/2011 7:11 PM, Mike wrote:
> On Feb 2, 12:53 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"<Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> wrote:
>> "Brad Anders"<pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:a2b086b4-ca7d-4ab7-8ea0-a35c628367b2@8g2000prt.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 31, 8:22 pm, Mike<mtschatz...@gmail.com> wrote:> Brad was being a jerk, so I did the same thing, I don't have anything
>>> against Brad,
>>> he wrote some interesting stuff back in the day for Cycle Sport, he
>>> shouldn't care what
>>> I think of him and I didn't say anything that wasn't true.
>>
>> =====
>> Dimwit, I never wrote for Cycle Sport. I did have a column in Winning
>> for a short while, but that's the extent of my cycling journalism. I'm
>> beginning to think you've got me confused with Bruce Hildenbrand, who
>> is a close friend of Andy Hampsten, has written for Cycle Sport, and
>> told me around that time about doing a local ride with Maynard with
>> the BBC. Definitely more "high profile" to use your words. Bruce is
>> also a lot more glib than I am on the bike, as I spent most of my time
>> just trying to hang on. Maybe all that dope you were taking at the
>> time got you a little confused.
>>
>> BTW, if it was Bruce and not me, thought I'd mention that he's been
>> retired from Sun Microsystems (18 year career) for over a decade and
>> is a successful cycling photojournalist, still writing for major
>> periodicals. He actually was at or near a Cat 1 level years ago,
>> again, looks like he made a good choice, too.
>> =====
>
>
> Ouch, holy crap Brad is right, I mistook him for Bruce Hildebrand, who
> never
> questioned my mental health.
> I am a total loser and apologize to Mr. Anders and Hildebrand.
> How do you say you are sorry on RBR?
> Dear Brad,
> I am a dimwit, and sorry, you are probably not the person I was even
> making fun of,
> but all you white nerdy norcal masters looked and sounded the same to
> me
> at the time...kill me.
> Dumbassedly yours,
> Mike Schatzman
That was done most excellently!
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