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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* George Carlin On Lance - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/591e13955d7ad7d5?hl=en
* ForkSTRONG Update - Sue the crap out of them Kunich - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2c46683b0618f5f6?hl=en
* 20110208 Update on Jobst - 11 messages, 8 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bedcc49318390206?hl=en
* OT - and they're _charging_ for it! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/945c25907a9e251a?hl=en
* page in pink - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/98c2152d2c59a12b?hl=en
* This just in - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/15d26a0c8523d726?hl=en
* I'm going to start accelerating in turns! - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c9bc8a59ae3b5760?hl=en

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TOPIC: George Carlin On Lance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/591e13955d7ad7d5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:55 pm
From: ilan


On Feb 8, 11:50 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 3:37 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=farVQxwvu8U
>
> Wow! It's February, with no indictments.
> You really are desperate for something to post aren't you?
>
> That specific link was uploaded to YouTube nearly three years ago and
> is lousy quality.
> With even a modest effort you could have posted this better link.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlTr2GSVUGg
>
> DR

What's really pathetic, the people in that audience who paid to be
there.

-ilan


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:59 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Feb 8, 5:11 pm, Fred <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 4:33 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 8, 4:37 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=farVQxwvu8U
>
> > Brian FFS I posted that months ago.
>
> It was lame then, even lamer (more lame?  Maybe Schatzi can play
> grammar police?) now.

Lafferty likes it because it so eloquently captures the spirit of what
he would like to say if he could only come up with the words.

DR

==============================================================================
TOPIC: ForkSTRONG Update - Sue the crap out of them Kunich
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2c46683b0618f5f6?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 5:02 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 2/8/2011 9:08 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Feb 8, 11:02 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/238528.asp
>>
>> And don't go skiing until you cash the check !
>
> http://www.seattlepi.com/local/434796_missingskier03.html
>
> She was injured so badly from the fork incident -she was unable to
> enjoy any outdoor activities according to her lawyer.
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014158615_bikesuit08m.html
>

I'm willing to bet that she didn't enjoy the ski trip.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 7:12 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Feb 8, 6:02 pm, Fred Fredburger <FredFredF...@Where.Are.The.Nachos>
wrote:
> On 2/8/2011 9:08 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> > On Feb 8, 11:02 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> >>http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/238528.asp
>
> >> And don't go skiing until you cash the check !
>
> >http://www.seattlepi.com/local/434796_missingskier03.html
>
> > She was injured so badly from the fork incident -she was unable to
> > enjoy any outdoor activities according to her lawyer.
>
> >http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014158615_bikesuit08...
>
> I'm willing to bet that she didn't enjoy the ski trip.

I read a skiing forum where the search for her was
discussed and links were given to another forum
where she was well known. It's a small community,
probably even smaller than that of cyclocrossers. One
person mentioned that in addition to facial injuries,
in the immediate aftermath of the bike accident she had
had other issues like memory difficulties. Regardless of
what one thinks about JRA fork failures, I hope not
to ever faceplant on a bicycle.

From the newspaper article, the recent decision in
the lawsuit wasn't a finding of fault wrt the fork failure.
Rather the decision was that REI should have to
defend against the liability lawsuit - REI claimed the
lawsuit should be only against the fork manufacturer.
Since it was an REI house brand fork, the decision
making them a party to the suit seems reasonable.

Cornices scare the crap out of me, BTW.
Fortunately, I do not have the skills to go near one.

Fredmaster Ben


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 7:31 pm
From: Anton Berlin

> Cornices scare the crap out of me, BTW.
> Fortunately, I do not have the skills to go near one.
>
> Fredmaster Ben

I was a ski instructor right after I quit racing. I've saw 2 skiers
that were over solid ground pulled at an angle as a cornice failed and
avalanched. Luckily for these 2 guys it was a 30 ft fun drop into 10
feet of snow with a dozen witnesses from the ski patrol and ski school
to dig them out - that same winter two others died by ending upside
down in tree wells while out of bounds.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 8:48 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<575cf5cf-5275-4c73-bf4a-af818568d985@d17g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Cornices scare the crap out of me, BTW.
> > Fortunately, I do not have the skills to go near one.
> >
> > Fredmaster Ben
>
> I was a ski instructor right after I quit racing. I've saw 2 skiers
> that were over solid ground pulled at an angle as a cornice failed and
> avalanched. Luckily for these 2 guys it was a 30 ft fun drop into 10
> feet of snow with a dozen witnesses from the ski patrol and ski school
> to dig them out - that same winter two others died by ending upside
> down in tree wells while out of bounds.

Did not know about tree wells

<http://www.treewelldeepsnowsafety.com/tree_wells.php>

"For your safety, you should assume all trees have a
hazardous tree well. Fortunately, the risk of falling
into a tree well is completely avoidable."

Oho. Avoidable.

"Tree wells exist in deep snow areas and only around
trees in simple terms, a tree well is a hole in the
deep snow, which is clearly marked by a tree. You can
easily identify and avoid these areas."

Ah. Easily identifiable.

"Prevention of falling into a tree well is all-important
because the odds of surviving deep snow immersion are
low. Remember, in two experiments conducted in the U.S.
and Canada in which volunteers were temporarily placed
in a tree well, 90% COULD NOT rescue themselves."

Mmmm, 90% fatal.

--
Old Fritz

==============================================================================
TOPIC: 20110208 Update on Jobst
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bedcc49318390206?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 5:12 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">


On 2/8/2011 1:32 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> I have been indirectly receiving updates from Olaf, Jobst's son. My
> intent here is to preserve Jobst's privacy while letting those on
> Usenet who have interacted with him for 20+ years know how he's
> doing.
>
> Jobst is still in Stanford's Intermediate ICU. While his condition is
> stable, Jobst has had a difficult time recovering from his accident.
> His alertness and lucidity aren't where they should be, and the team
> at Stanford and Jobst's family are working hard to address these
> problems. He is also slowly making progress in recovering from his
> physical injuries.
>
> If you're a friend of Jobst's, have ridden with him in the past, and
> are local to Stanford, please consider stopping by to say hello. Jobst
> has received many visitors and Olaf says the visits have helped Jobst
> immensely. I suggest you call Stanford first and check on if Jobst is
> receiving visitors before you stop by. I also ask for some respect for
> Jobst and his family, please keep the discussion on Jobst and his
> accident civil.

Hopefully, a future update will be a ride report from Jobst.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.


== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 6:16 pm
From: Dan O


On Feb 8, 4:38 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 12:32 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have been indirectly receiving updates from Olaf, Jobst's son. My
> > intent here is to preserve Jobst's privacy while letting those on
> > Usenet who have interacted with him for 20+ years know how he's
> > doing.
>
> > Jobst is still in Stanford's Intermediate ICU. While his condition is
> > stable, Jobst has had a difficult time recovering from his accident.
> > His alertness and lucidity aren't where they should be, and the team
> > at Stanford and Jobst's family are working hard to address these
> > problems. He is also slowly making progress in recovering from his
> > physical injuries.
>
> > If you're a friend of Jobst's, have ridden with him in the past, and
> > are local to Stanford, please consider stopping by to say hello. Jobst
> > has received many visitors and Olaf says the visits have helped Jobst
> > immensely. I suggest you call Stanford first and check on if Jobst is
> > receiving visitors before you stop by. I also ask for some respect for
> > Jobst and his family, please keep the discussion on Jobst and his
> > accident civil.
>
> Brad,
>
> Thanks for keeping us updated.
>
> In my limited experience with people in ICUs and
> CCUs, there's sometimes a sort of hospital
> disorientation effect. People can make significant
> progress in recovering lucidity so that is to be hoped
> for, esp. when they can move him out of the ICU.
>

Yep. That and a broken femur can't be easy to take for someone who
truly loves to Ride Bike.

(I for one was never too lucid to begin with, so there you go :-)

Whole lotta love out here, Jobst. Still sending those vibes your
way. Pull through.


== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 6:18 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">


On 2/8/2011 6:53 PM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> In article
> <6e234777-e2b2-4169-863c-8bce450716c8@l22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> kolldata<datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> This jackass is a write only poster.
> Does not read for content.
>

Why the change in user name?

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.


== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 7:20 pm
From: pH


On Feb 8, 11:32 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been indirectly receiving updates from Olaf, Jobst's son. My
> intent here is to preserve Jobst's privacy while letting those on
> Usenet who have interacted with him for 20+ years know how he's
> doing.
>
<SNIP>
> Brad Anders

Thank-you for this update, Brad. I hope everything goes well.

pH


== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 7:35 pm
From: Jay Beattie


On Feb 8, 6:16 pm, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 4:38 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 12:32 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I have been indirectly receiving updates from Olaf, Jobst's son. My
> > > intent here is to preserve Jobst's privacy while letting those on
> > > Usenet who have interacted with him for 20+ years know how he's
> > > doing.
>
> > > Jobst is still in Stanford's Intermediate ICU. While his condition is
> > > stable, Jobst has had a difficult time recovering from his accident.
> > > His alertness and lucidity aren't where they should be, and the team
> > > at Stanford and Jobst's family are working hard to address these
> > > problems. He is also slowly making progress in recovering from his
> > > physical injuries.
>
> > > If you're a friend of Jobst's, have ridden with him in the past, and
> > > are local to Stanford, please consider stopping by to say hello. Jobst
> > > has received many visitors and Olaf says the visits have helped Jobst
> > > immensely. I suggest you call Stanford first and check on if Jobst is
> > > receiving visitors before you stop by. I also ask for some respect for
> > > Jobst and his family, please keep the discussion on Jobst and his
> > > accident civil.
>
> > Brad,
>
> > Thanks for keeping us updated.
>
> > In my limited experience with people in ICUs and
> > CCUs, there's sometimes a sort of hospital
> > disorientation effect.  People can make significant
> > progress in recovering lucidity so that is to be hoped
> > for, esp. when they can move him out of the ICU.
>
> Yep.  That and a broken femur can't be easy to take for someone who
> truly loves to Ride Bike.
>
> (I for one was never too lucid to begin with, so there you go :-)
>
> Whole lotta love out here, Jobst.  Still sending those vibes your
> way.  Pull through.- Hide quoted text -

Even with blood transfusions and major surgery to place rods or
plates, I wouldn't expect him to be in the ICU longer than the first
or second post-operative day -- even at his age. I won't speculate
though about what's going on, though.

I rode a trainer with a tib/fib fracture fixed with rods and plates
about ten days after surgery, but then I could bend at the knee. A
femur fracture lands you in a full length cast. Jobst will have to do
some one-leg trainer riding, which is surprisingly hard to do -- you
have to figure out where to put the other leg. The good part is that
you end up with an upper body from being on crutches. I can do more
push ups now than before breaking my leg/ankles. -- Jay Beattie.

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 7:51 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">


On 2/8/2011 9:35 PM, Jay Beattie wrote:
> On Feb 8, 6:16 pm, Dan O<danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 4:38 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd<bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 12:32 pm, Brad Anders<pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I have been indirectly receiving updates from Olaf, Jobst's son. My
>>>> intent here is to preserve Jobst's privacy while letting those on
>>>> Usenet who have interacted with him for 20+ years know how he's
>>>> doing.
>>
>>>> Jobst is still in Stanford's Intermediate ICU. While his condition is
>>>> stable, Jobst has had a difficult time recovering from his accident.
>>>> His alertness and lucidity aren't where they should be, and the team
>>>> at Stanford and Jobst's family are working hard to address these
>>>> problems. He is also slowly making progress in recovering from his
>>>> physical injuries.
>>
>>>> If you're a friend of Jobst's, have ridden with him in the past, and
>>>> are local to Stanford, please consider stopping by to say hello. Jobst
>>>> has received many visitors and Olaf says the visits have helped Jobst
>>>> immensely. I suggest you call Stanford first and check on if Jobst is
>>>> receiving visitors before you stop by. I also ask for some respect for
>>>> Jobst and his family, please keep the discussion on Jobst and his
>>>> accident civil.
>>
>>> Brad,
>>
>>> Thanks for keeping us updated.
>>
>>> In my limited experience with people in ICUs and
>>> CCUs, there's sometimes a sort of hospital
>>> disorientation effect. People can make significant
>>> progress in recovering lucidity so that is to be hoped
>>> for, esp. when they can move him out of the ICU.
>>
>> Yep. That and a broken femur can't be easy to take for someone who
>> truly loves to Ride Bike.
>>
>> (I for one was never too lucid to begin with, so there you go :-)
>>
>> Whole lotta love out here, Jobst. Still sending those vibes your
>> way. Pull through.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Even with blood transfusions and major surgery to place rods or
> plates, I wouldn't expect him to be in the ICU longer than the first
> or second post-operative day -- even at his age. I won't speculate
> though about what's going on, though.
>
> I rode a trainer with a tib/fib fracture fixed with rods and plates
> about ten days after surgery, but then I could bend at the knee. A
> femur fracture lands you in a full length cast. Jobst will have to do
> some one-leg trainer riding, which is surprisingly hard to do -- you
> have to figure out where to put the other leg. The good part is that
> you end up with an upper body from being on crutches. I can do more
> push ups now than before breaking my leg/ankles. -- Jay Beattie.
>

Google "hand-cycle" and "trike".

I once rode a last part of a ride effectively one-legged due to knee
pain. Foot retention is a must, and it is slow going - I was almost
passed by a hand-cyclist.

--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.


== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 7:53 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">


On 2/8/2011 1:32 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> I have been indirectly receiving updates from Olaf, Jobst's son. My
> intent here is to preserve Jobst's privacy while letting those on
> Usenet who have interacted with him for 20+ years know how he's
> doing.
>
> Jobst is still in Stanford's Intermediate ICU. While his condition is
> stable, Jobst has had a difficult time recovering from his accident.
> His alertness and lucidity aren't where they should be, and the team
> at Stanford and Jobst's family are working hard to address these
> problems. He is also slowly making progress in recovering from his
> physical injuries.
>
> If you're a friend of Jobst's, have ridden with him in the past, and
> are local to Stanford, please consider stopping by to say hello. Jobst
> has received many visitors and Olaf says the visits have helped Jobst
> immensely. I suggest you call Stanford first and check on if Jobst is
> receiving visitors before you stop by. I also ask for some respect for
> Jobst and his family, please keep the discussion on Jobst and his
> accident civil.
>
> thanks,
>
> Brad Anders

Pass the message to Jobst from all of us (I hope) - we want to see him
Ride Bike again.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.


== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 8:56 pm
From: Peter Van Buren


On Feb 8, 10:35 pm, Jay Beattie <jbeat...@lindsayhart.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 6:16 pm, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 4:38 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 8, 12:32 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I have been indirectly receiving updates from Olaf, Jobst's son. My
> > > > intent here is to preserve Jobst's privacy while letting those on
> > > > Usenet who have interacted with him for 20+ years know how he's
> > > > doing.
>
> > > > Jobst is still in Stanford's Intermediate ICU. While his condition is
> > > > stable, Jobst has had a difficult time recovering from his accident.
> > > > His alertness and lucidity aren't where they should be, and the team
> > > > at Stanford and Jobst's family are working hard to address these
> > > > problems. He is also slowly making progress in recovering from his
> > > > physical injuries.
>
> > > > If you're a friend of Jobst's, have ridden with him in the past, and
> > > > are local to Stanford, please consider stopping by to say hello. Jobst
> > > > has received many visitors and Olaf says the visits have helped Jobst
> > > > immensely. I suggest you call Stanford first and check on if Jobst is
> > > > receiving visitors before you stop by. I also ask for some respect for
> > > > Jobst and his family, please keep the discussion on Jobst and his
> > > > accident civil.
>
> > > Brad,
>
> > > Thanks for keeping us updated.
>
> > > In my limited experience with people in ICUs and
> > > CCUs, there's sometimes a sort of hospital
> > > disorientation effect.  People can make significant
> > > progress in recovering lucidity so that is to be hoped
> > > for, esp. when they can move him out of the ICU.
>
> > Yep.  That and a broken femur can't be easy to take for someone who
> > truly loves to Ride Bike.
>
> > (I for one was never too lucid to begin with, so there you go :-)
>
> > Whole lotta love out here, Jobst.  Still sending those vibes your
> > way.  Pull through.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Even with blood transfusions and major surgery to place rods or
> plates, I wouldn't expect him to be in the ICU longer than the first
> or second post-operative day -- even at his age.  I won't speculate
> though about what's going on, though.
>
> I rode a trainer with a tib/fib fracture fixed with rods and plates
> about ten days after surgery, but then I could bend at the knee.  A
> femur fracture lands you in a full length cast.  Jobst will have to do
> some one-leg trainer riding, which is surprisingly hard to do -- you
> have to figure out where to put the other leg.  The good part is that
> you end up with an upper body from being on crutches.  I can do more
> push ups now than before breaking my leg/ankles. -- Jay Beattie.

Depending on the type of fracture, he may not need a cast. I had a mid
shaft femur fracture (from football, not cycling) and I didn't get a
cast or even a brace. I had a nail put through the femur and clamped
to the top of the hip. I remember asking my doctor something like "are
you sure I don't need a cast?" He said it wasn't necessary. I actually
stood on the leg 48 hours after having the surgery. The biggest issue
was getting the range of motion back. I think it was about three
months before I could touch my heel to my butt. I was able to ride the
stationary bike after a few weeks.

Peter.


== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 8:59 pm
From: LF


On Feb 8, 11:32&nbsp;am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been indirectly receiving updates from Olaf, Jobst's son.<snip>

Brad,
Thanks much for the update. I believe Jobst's strengths of body and
mind are great assets, and look forward to his recovery.
Best,
Larry Fieman
Marblehead, MA


== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 9:20 pm
From: Brian Huntley


On Feb 8, 8:12 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:

> Hopefully, a future update will be a ride report from Jobst.

Hear, Hear!


== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 9:44 pm
From: Andre Jute


On Feb 9, 5:20 am, Brian Huntley <brian.hunt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 8:12 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
>
> $southslope.net"> wrote:
> > Hopefully, a future update will be a ride report from Jobst.
>
> Hear, Hear!

And hear, hear! Let's see Jobst back in the saddle!

Thanks for the update, Brad.

Andre Jute

==============================================================================
TOPIC: OT - and they're _charging_ for it!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/945c25907a9e251a?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 5:20 pm
From: RicodJour


On Feb 8, 7:48 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article  RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > for an iPhone confession app.
>
> >http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/confession-roman-catholic-app/story?...
>
> > Commencing Apocalypse countdown...
>
> The technical term is "simony."

http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=Simony/gender=f

That, I'd pay for. The church must have relaxed some rules.

R

==============================================================================
TOPIC: page in pink
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/98c2152d2c59a12b?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 5:50 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Feb 8, 6:09 pm, Fred <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 5:00 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > no wonder he never cracks the top ten:
>
> >  http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/page-secures-sponsorship-for-2011-12-...
>
> > he's too busy thinking about his domestic affairs ...
>
> Yeah, no other pro has those sorts of concerns...  dumbass.
>
> Whether JP is the right guy to run camps, I don't know.  But, I think
> it's very cool that his long-time sponsor is looking at new ways to
> not only support JP, but promote 'cross at the same time.
>
> You can keep on hatin', it's all good.
>
> Fred

Dumbass -

Do you think Bernard Hinault would have put on pink handlebar tape
just cause his wife had a girl? And then crowed about getting 12th
place in a world championship as if that was a good result?

Shit, for that matter, do you even think Roland fucking Liboton
would've done that?

Promote cyclocross - bitch, please. If he wants to promote cyclocross
in the US, he should glue up his tires and win the fuckin' world
championships.

-rj


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 6:25 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 2/8/2011 7:50 PM, ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> On Feb 8, 6:09 pm, Fred<fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 5:00 pm, bar<barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> no wonder he never cracks the top ten:
>>
>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/page-secures-sponsorship-for-2011-12-...
>>
>>> he's too busy thinking about his domestic affairs ...
>>
>> Yeah, no other pro has those sorts of concerns... dumbass.
>>
>> Whether JP is the right guy to run camps, I don't know. But, I think
>> it's very cool that his long-time sponsor is looking at new ways to
>> not only support JP, but promote 'cross at the same time.
>>
>> You can keep on hatin', it's all good.
>>
>> Fred
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Do you think Bernard Hinault would have put on pink handlebar tape
> just cause his wife had a girl? And then crowed about getting 12th
> place in a world championship as if that was a good result?
>
> Shit, for that matter, do you even think Roland fucking Liboton
> would've done that?
>
> Promote cyclocross - bitch, please. If he wants to promote cyclocross
> in the US, he should glue up his tires and win the fuckin' world
> championships.
>
> -rj

I'm with you. Sort of.

I give him credit for riding in Europe rather than piling
up easy UCI points in the US the way the rest of the US
starters in the Elite Men's race at Worlds do.

Remember, guys celebrate stage wins by rocking imaginary
babies. You've got to connect with more fans than the ones
drinking beer at the race.

Fred Flintstein

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 6:18 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 2/8/2011 6:22 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> Testing under the WADA threshold is testing negative.
> Unless WADA has recently defined it to be called
> "non-positive" instead.
>
> This is a place where Ilan's pedantry about not having
> to prove your innocence should apply. If your B sample
> returns a non-positive finding, heads of dope agencies
> should not go around implying that you weren't really
> cleared because you *might* have doped but the test
> didn't detect enough juice to pop you. Otherwise, it
> is pointless to establish a threshold.
>
> Flintstein will now point out that the dope cops have
> already been known to readjust the threshold when
> it suits them.

You're missing the point of the leak. The reason they leak
that sort of thing is so the rider loses their job. Any
dope cop will tell you it is way easier to get sanctions
against riders that are broke and unemployed than riders
that have the resources to mount a defense. They save a
lot of time and money that way.

And yes, Adam Bergman would have been cleared under the
rules that were in place when he committed his offense.
His arbitration decision came out in the January following
and *surprise* the parameters of what constituted a positive
result had changed.

Nobody cares about the administrative stuff. I'm the only
guy that reads the decisions (ask Scott Moninger how many
people read arbitration decisions) but that's where all
the interesting stuff is plainly written between the lines.

If I ever meet Don Catlin I'm going to tell him how much
my wife the chemist enjoyed the Tammy Thomas arbitration
decision. She liked the Moninger decision too, but she
didn't reference it in a lecture. And if she worked at the
French lab she would not do things the way they do things.

Fred Flintstein


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 6:29 pm
From: "Benjo Maso"


"ilan" schreef in bericht
news:c06c01b3-7d2c-4dfe-9580-cbeb27b2ea76@f30g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

On Feb 8, 5:42 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> Ricco...
> No link - Choose your favorite site for cycling related news.
> DR

A reminder: Ricco broke up with his girlfriend when she tested
positive for EPO claiming that he didn't want anything to do with any
kind of doping.


At least he is a man of principle. On the other hand, of course he should
have taken epo. Much safer.

Benjo

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 6:39 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Feb 8, 5:22 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 3:34 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 2:09 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 8, 5:42 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Ricco...
> > > > No link - Choose your favorite site for cycling related news.
> > > > DR
>
> > > A reminder: Ricco broke up with his girlfriend when she tested
> > > positive for EPO claiming that he didn't want anything to do with any
> > > kind of doping. Her B sample came back negative.
>
> >http://bit.ly/fko3gp
> > "Francesco Botrè, the director of the anti-doping laboratory in Rome,
> > told La Gazzetta dello Sport, 'This does not mean that the B sample
> > that was recently tested did not have the substance present, indeed.
> > Only that the amount was not sufficient to meet the minimum standards
> > required by the World Anti-Doping Agency.' "
>
> > But presumably she, Vania Rossi - now his fiancée, was the one with
> > him for the recent troublesome oil change. A match made in heaven.
>
> > DR
>
> Testing under the WADA threshold is testing negative.
> Unless WADA has recently defined it to be called
> "non-positive" instead.
>
> This is a place where Ilan's pedantry about not having
> to prove your innocence should apply.

I agree. That's exactly why the Botrè comment above is way out of line
("She guilty even though she's not officially guilty.") Indeed even
the publication of the "A" sample positive before a test of the "B"
sample is probably out of line, although I don't know the
circumstances surrounding the former. But also note, it is not a
criminal matter.

DR

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 9:16 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau


On Feb 8, 11:20 am, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 4:36 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 11:35 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
>
> > > ilan a écrit profondement:
>
> > > | My Marinoni track bike is 29 years old (and I'm not trying to be
> > > | modest about age). It's a great bike that saw a fair amount of road
> > > | miles. I remember being amazed that steering was more neutral than my
> > > | mountain bike (kept its line better no hands) and convinced me that
> > > | this was a good criterion for judging frame design. What's weird now
> > > | is that it weighs more than my road bike.
>
> > > Time to trade in those cane rims
>
> > > --
> > > Davey Crockett  
>
> > Surely the track is the one place where wood rims are just fine?
>
> > PS: actually got the Speculaas track bike onto the track tonight. I
> > survived, and after the routine initial terror, enjoyed it, so
> > complete success.
>
> To synchronise fully with the track, you must wind your tape left-
> handed.  If you wind it balanced (symmetrical) it means you'll work
> harder in the bends.

An experienced, strong, but young rider at the track rode it in the
opposite direction as a lark, once. He said it was terrifying and felt
like he was about to crash for the whole time.

I rode it on a folding bike once,


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 9:16 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau


On Feb 8, 1:07 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 11:36 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Surely the track is the one place where wood rims are just fine?
>
> > PS: actually got the Speculaas track bike onto the track tonight. I
> > survived, and after the routine initial terror, enjoyed it, so
> > complete success.
>
> > After I got home, I consumed perogies covered in bacon, washed down
> > with an Augustijn and chased by about six Ghirardelli peppermint
> > wafers. FAIL!
>
> How is that a fail?  Unless you mean you should have had that tasty
> meal prior to hitting the track.  That would have been the right thing
> to do.  Master Fatties are supposed to reward themselves before they
> do anything, and the extra ballast would have helped you come down off
> the track as you're accelerating through the turns.  Forget the wood
> rims and work on your spare tire.

It was failicious, but I didn't really want to so profoundly undo any
fitness gains that way.

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* This just in - 8 messages, 6 authors
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* The Hustler - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/da15080741480394?hl=en
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TOPIC: This just in
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 1:07 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Feb 8, 10:16 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 2/8/2011 10:42 AM, DirtRoadie wrote:
>
> > Ricco...
> > No link - Choose your favorite site for cycling related news.
> > DR
>
> There is racing going on. The first picture shows a guy doping.
> And good for him!
>
> http://cycleture.photoshelter.com/gallery/Penn-Ice-Cycle-Loppet/G0000...
>
> Fred Flintstein

http://cycleture.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Penn-Ice-Cycle-Loppet/G0000L8z7ui5_vUE/I0000VHdO4yXwDNg

http://tinyurl.com/4dumewl

Finally, a form of cycle racing in which
beards are acceptable!

Fredmaster Ben


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 1:09 pm
From: RicodJour


On Feb 8, 4:07 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://cycleture.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Penn-Ice-Cycle-Loppet...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4dumewl
>
> Finally, a form of cycle racing in which
> beards are acceptable!

I'm sorry, but with the beard and the bib he looks like he's waiting
for his lobster special.

R


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 1:09 pm
From: ilan


On Feb 8, 5:42 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> Ricco...
> No link - Choose your favorite site for cycling related news.
> DR

A reminder: Ricco broke up with his girlfriend when she tested
positive for EPO claiming that he didn't want anything to do with any
kind of doping. Her B sample came back negative.

-ilan


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 1:23 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 2/8/2011 3:07 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Feb 8, 10:16 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> On 2/8/2011 10:42 AM, DirtRoadie wrote:
>>
>>> Ricco...
>>> No link - Choose your favorite site for cycling related news.
>>> DR
>>
>> There is racing going on. The first picture shows a guy doping.
>> And good for him!
>>
>> http://cycleture.photoshelter.com/gallery/Penn-Ice-Cycle-Loppet/G0000...
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> http://cycleture.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Penn-Ice-Cycle-Loppet/G0000L8z7ui5_vUE/I0000VHdO4yXwDNg
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4dumewl
>
> Finally, a form of cycle racing in which
> beards are acceptable!
>
> Fredmaster Ben

I should note that I have never seen the more heavily bearded
guy riding a geared bicycle.

Fred Flintstein


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 1:30 pm
From: ilan


On Feb 8, 9:56 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 3:19 pm, Jeff Jones <drjone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 8, 4:42 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Ricco...
> > > No link - Choose your favorite site for cycling related news.
> > > DR
>
> > This would never have happened if Lance had have been banned.
>
> This blood looks moldy to me.  Does it look moldy to you?  I don't
> know if I should pound it into my body.  What do you think?  Yeah,
> you're right, what could go possibly wrong?
> {cue sounds of ambulances}
> {voiceover}
> Being a pro bike racer is bad enough.  Don't be criminally stupid
> about it.
>
> R

I'm looking forward to something worse that this:

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force her into a car, claiming they were police. She claims she
escaped, but lost her purse containing 150 euros.

Konyshev and his teammates have been charged with assault, theft, and
attempted kidnapping.


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 2:34 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Feb 8, 2:09 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 5:42 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Ricco...
> > No link - Choose your favorite site for cycling related news.
> > DR
>
> A reminder: Ricco broke up with his girlfriend when she tested
> positive for EPO claiming that he didn't want anything to do with any
> kind of doping. Her B sample came back negative.

http://bit.ly/fko3gp
"Francesco Botrè, the director of the anti-doping laboratory in Rome,
told La Gazzetta dello Sport, 'This does not mean that the B sample
that was recently tested did not have the substance present, indeed.
Only that the amount was not sufficient to meet the minimum standards
required by the World Anti-Doping Agency.' "

But presumably she, Vania Rossi - now his fiancée, was the one with
him for the recent troublesome oil change. A match made in heaven.

DR

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:22 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Feb 8, 3:34 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2:09 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 8, 5:42 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Ricco...
> > > No link - Choose your favorite site for cycling related news.
> > > DR
>
> > A reminder: Ricco broke up with his girlfriend when she tested
> > positive for EPO claiming that he didn't want anything to do with any
> > kind of doping. Her B sample came back negative.
>
> http://bit.ly/fko3gp
> "Francesco Botrè, the director of the anti-doping laboratory in Rome,
> told La Gazzetta dello Sport, 'This does not mean that the B sample
> that was recently tested did not have the substance present, indeed.
> Only that the amount was not sufficient to meet the minimum standards
> required by the World Anti-Doping Agency.' "
>
> But presumably she, Vania Rossi - now his fiancée, was the one with
> him for the recent troublesome oil change. A match made in heaven.
>
> DR

Testing under the WADA threshold is testing negative.
Unless WADA has recently defined it to be called
"non-positive" instead.

This is a place where Ilan's pedantry about not having
to prove your innocence should apply. If your B sample
returns a non-positive finding, heads of dope agencies
should not go around implying that you weren't really
cleared because you *might* have doped but the test
didn't detect enough juice to pop you. Otherwise, it
is pointless to establish a threshold.

Flintstein will now point out that the dope cops have
already been known to readjust the threshold when
it suits them.

Anyway, I would like to think that Vania took a bit of
revenge by "accidentally" leaving Ricco's blood jar out
on the kitchen counter for a few hours while rearranging
the refrigerator, but sadly she probably has forgiven
him for his abysmal lack of character.

Fredmaster Ben


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:25 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 2/8/2011 12:19 PM, Jeff Jones wrote:
> On Feb 8, 4:42 pm, DirtRoadie<DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Ricco...
>> No link - Choose your favorite site for cycling related news.
>> DR
>
> This would never have happened if Lance had have been banned.

This is where blame must inevitably fall. Thanks for bringing it up in
such short order.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 1:11 pm
From: ilan


On Feb 8, 7:50 am, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Recently Ilan mentioned _The_Hustler_ by Walter Tevis,
> so I picked it up.
>
> "Look, I can buy a bottle."
>
> Her expression hardly changed;
> but her voice was like a wall. "No."
>
> "Say, a fifth of Scotch."
>
> She leaned forward, "Look, we were doing fine here.
> Come off it." She took a draw from her cigarette.
> "Anyway, I'm not your type."
>
> What she had said was instantly right and he grinned at her.
> "All right," he said. "You win. Sorry I brought it up."
>
> "That's okay," she said, leaning back again.
> "A proposition is supposed to be flattering, even from
> a man who picks you up in a bus station. And I like
> Scotch---you made the right offer."
>
> --
> Old Fritz

My favorite line (from the movie, I don't know if it's in the book)
is: "I'm not drunk, I'm lame."

-ilan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 1:28 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 2/8/2011 3:07 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Feb 7, 11:36 pm, Ryan Cousineau<rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Surely the track is the one place where wood rims are just fine?
>>
>> PS: actually got the Speculaas track bike onto the track tonight. I
>> survived, and after the routine initial terror, enjoyed it, so
>> complete success.
>>
>> After I got home, I consumed perogies covered in bacon, washed down
>> with an Augustijn and chased by about six Ghirardelli peppermint
>> wafers. FAIL!
>
> How is that a fail? Unless you mean you should have had that tasty
> meal prior to hitting the track. That would have been the right thing
> to do. Master Fatties are supposed to reward themselves before they
> do anything, and the extra ballast would have helped you come down off
> the track as you're accelerating through the turns. Forget the wood
> rims and work on your spare tire.
>
> R

The guy at the icebike event didn't wait until he had finished
the race before cracking open a beer.

http://cycleture.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Penn-Ice-Cycle-Loppet/G0000L8z7ui5_vUE/I0000VfdcKN2YeL0
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Not everyone believes in delayed gratification.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 2:37 pm
From: BLafferty


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=farVQxwvu8U


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 2:50 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Feb 8, 3:37 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=farVQxwvu8U

Wow! It's February, with no indictments.
You really are desperate for something to post aren't you?

That specific link was uploaded to YouTube nearly three years ago and
is lousy quality.
With even a modest effort you could have posted this better link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlTr2GSVUGg

DR


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 3:33 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Feb 8, 4:37 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=farVQxwvu8U

Brian FFS I posted that months ago.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:11 pm
From: Fred


On Feb 8, 4:33 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 4:37 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=farVQxwvu8U
>
> Brian FFS I posted that months ago.

It was lame then, even lamer (more lame? Maybe Schatzi can play
grammar police?) now.

Fred


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:17 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 2/8/2011 3:33 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Feb 8, 4:37 pm, BLafferty<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=farVQxwvu8U
>
> Brian FFS I posted that months ago.

You know what they say about imitation.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:55 pm
From: ilan


On Feb 8, 11:50 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 3:37 pm, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=farVQxwvu8U
>
> Wow! It's February, with no indictments.
> You really are desperate for something to post aren't you?
>
> That specific link was uploaded to YouTube nearly three years ago and
> is lousy quality.
> With even a modest effort you could have posted this better link.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlTr2GSVUGg
>
> DR

What's really pathetic, the people in that audience who paid to be
there.

-ilan

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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bedcc49318390206?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 3:37 pm
From: kolldata


know his room number ? I'll send an ERD CARD say 2x3'
That said, it is good to know his brain function in unchanged from
the last we spoke.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 3:42 pm
From: kolldata


Jobst is o-l-d. His injury across the o-l-d spectrum is sometimes a
fatal o-l-d injury if not this week then next spring. You know, "John
Williket, PHD Emeritus Brown University aged 94 went for a walk,
slipped on the ice and died several hours later of subdural hemtoma"
When a age 27, not.
I figured when he didn't get back to us....


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:38 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Feb 8, 12:32 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been indirectly receiving updates from Olaf, Jobst's son. My
> intent here is to preserve Jobst's privacy while letting those on
> Usenet who have interacted with him for 20+ years know how he's
> doing.
>
> Jobst is still in Stanford's Intermediate ICU. While his condition is
> stable, Jobst has had a difficult time recovering from his accident.
> His alertness and lucidity aren't where they should be, and the team
> at Stanford and Jobst's family are working hard to address these
> problems. He is also slowly making progress in recovering from his
> physical injuries.
>
> If you're a friend of Jobst's, have ridden with him in the past, and
> are local to Stanford, please consider stopping by to say hello. Jobst
> has received many visitors and Olaf says the visits have helped Jobst
> immensely. I suggest you call Stanford first and check on if Jobst is
> receiving visitors before you stop by. I also ask for some respect for
> Jobst and his family, please keep the discussion on Jobst and his
> accident civil.

Brad,

Thanks for keeping us updated.

In my limited experience with people in ICUs and
CCUs, there's sometimes a sort of hospital
disorientation effect. People can make significant
progress in recovering lucidity so that is to be hoped
for, esp. when they can move him out of the ICU.

Ben


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:53 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<6e234777-e2b2-4169-863c-8bce450716c8@l22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
kolldata <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote:

[...]

This jackass is a write only poster.
Does not read for content.

--
Old Fritz


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:54 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Feb 8, 4:37 pm, kolldata <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> know his room number ? I'll send an ERD CARD say 2x3'
> That said,   it is good to know his brain function in unchanged from
> the last we spoke.

He's currently in Unit D – Room 332.

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TOPIC: Liz Hatch on Retirement
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b1ed6a7b1d9d8786?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 3:41 pm
From: TheCoz


On Feb 7, 11:03 pm, Zenon <zenon_jask...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Nothing like a group of prepubescent Spanish boys cat calling you to
> make you feel good about yourself. And friggin' old. Ughhhh."
>
> Source:http://twitter.com/#!/Liz_Hatch/status/34301655050625024

Damn, around here the stray cats are in heat. Liz must be dripping.
Coz

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TOPIC: page in pink
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/98c2152d2c59a12b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:00 pm
From: bar


no wonder he never cracks the top ten:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/page-secures-sponsorship-for-2011-12-cross-season

he's too busy thinking about his domestic affairs ...


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:09 pm
From: Fred


On Feb 8, 5:00 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> no wonder he never cracks the top ten:
>
>  http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/page-secures-sponsorship-for-2011-12-...
>
> he's too busy thinking about his domestic affairs ...

Yeah, no other pro has those sorts of concerns... dumbass.

Whether JP is the right guy to run camps, I don't know. But, I think
it's very cool that his long-time sponsor is looking at new ways to
not only support JP, but promote 'cross at the same time.

You can keep on hatin', it's all good.

Fred

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TOPIC: ForkSTRONG Update - Sue the crap out of them Kunich
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2c46683b0618f5f6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:47 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<eecc1640-3b2e-4b3a-9f07-d1dbbd98529e@s3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/238528.asp
>
> And don't go skiing until you cash the check !

REI is appealing on the grounds she was accident prone.

<http://www.seattlepi.com/local/434796_missingskier03.html>

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: OT - and they're _charging_ for it!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/945c25907a9e251a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 4:48 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<9a41eba6-6bbf-4c94-90f5-d6ce20ac13be@q14g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:

> for an iPhone confession app.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/confession-roman-catholic-app/story?id=12866499
>
> Commencing Apocalypse countdown...

The technical term is "simony."

--
Michael Press


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TOPIC: Didn't waste my evening watching but
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/dff436c2c842b30c?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 7 2011 9:44 pm
From: Ritchie


On Feb 7, 8:09 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 6:01 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 10:09 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
> > > I did see about a half dozen plays.
>
> > > It sure looked to me that the Steelers back-up center looked like an all
> > > pro.
>
> > > How did he fare during the game on run blocking but more importantly
> > > pass blocking?
>
> > > Enquiring minds want to know without having to suffer watching another
> > > SB without the Jets. I promised myself this weekend that the game before
> > > last year's SB (which I also did not watch) was the last non Jets SB I
> > > ever watch.
>
> > > H
>
> > I guess your just a Jets fan, not a football fan. I am a football fan
> > and watch as many games as I can. It would be nice for the Jets to be
> > in the SB but they weren't. I'll be damned if I will miss a SB just
> > because the Jets aren't in it. IMHO it seems rather silly to me to
> > miss a game because your team isn't in it
>
> i agree... i enjoyed the game and was glad rodgers got a ring.  he's a
> talented qb and it would be a shame for such a quality player to miss
> out on a ring like marino and jim kelly.  i remember when i was
> growing up in grade school... i was miffed when kids became raiders,
> steelers or cowboys fans even though the were from the ny area.  they
> should be jets or gints fans. petty front runners like that in youth
> become petty front runners as adults... still... i can appreciate it
> if a jet fan skips out on watching the superbowl considering that the
> jets were so close twice in a row.  even rex and other coaches have
> said it was too hard to watch a superbowl after an afc champ loss.  it
> is understanding.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I too am glad that Rodgers got his ring, he deserves it.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 7:23 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> Clearly for a fan of football, it will. As a Jet fan, almost any thing
> including reading a book seemed like a better use of my time.
>
> h

H, I watched but fell asleep during the last drive.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 7:34 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:6992daf3-60e7-4bb4-8a5f-ffe240861ed9@d28g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 7, 6:01 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 10:09 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
> > I did see about a half dozen plays.
>
> > It sure looked to me that the Steelers back-up center looked like an all
> > pro.
>
> > How did he fare during the game on run blocking but more importantly
> > pass blocking?
>
> > Enquiring minds want to know without having to suffer watching another
> > SB without the Jets. I promised myself this weekend that the game before
> > last year's SB (which I also did not watch) was the last non Jets SB I
> > ever watch.
>
> > H
>
> I guess your just a Jets fan, not a football fan. I am a football fan
> and watch as many games as I can. It would be nice for the Jets to be
> in the SB but they weren't. I'll be damned if I will miss a SB just
> because the Jets aren't in it. IMHO it seems rather silly to me to
> miss a game because your team isn't in it

i agree... i enjoyed the game and was glad rodgers got a ring. he's a
talented qb and it would be a shame for such a quality player to miss
out on a ring like marino and jim kelly. i remember when i was
growing up in grade school... i was miffed when kids became raiders,
steelers or cowboys fans even though the were from the ny area. they
should be jets or gints fans. petty front runners like that in youth
become petty front runners as adults... still... i can appreciate it
if a jet fan skips out on watching the superbowl considering that the
jets were so close twice in a row. even rex and other coaches have
said it was too hard to watch a superbowl after an afc champ loss. it
is understanding.

There have been entire seasons where I watched a lot of football, and very
little of the Jets because it was flat out boring or a waste of time to
watch. I like watching football and just happen to be a Jets fan. I was
very happy The Pack won. I can however understand players and coaches not
watching. When I was involved in the game it was very different, I actually
enjoy watching two good teams compete now.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 11:41 am
From: Michael


On Feb 8, 10:34 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:6992daf3-60e7-4bb4-8a5f-ffe240861ed9@d28g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 7, 6:01 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 10:09 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
> > > I did see about a half dozen plays.
>
> > > It sure looked to me that the Steelers back-up center looked like an all
> > > pro.
>
> > > How did he fare during the game on run blocking but more importantly
> > > pass blocking?
>
> > > Enquiring minds want to know without having to suffer watching another
> > > SB without the Jets. I promised myself this weekend that the game before
> > > last year's SB (which I also did not watch) was the last non Jets SB I
> > > ever watch.
>
> > > H
>
> > I guess your just a Jets fan, not a football fan. I am a football fan
> > and watch as many games as I can. It would be nice for the Jets to be
> > in the SB but they weren't. I'll be damned if I will miss a SB just
> > because the Jets aren't in it. IMHO it seems rather silly to me to
> > miss a game because your team isn't in it
>
> i agree... i enjoyed the game and was glad rodgers got a ring.  he's a
> talented qb and it would be a shame for such a quality player to miss
> out on a ring like marino and jim kelly.  i remember when i was
> growing up in grade school... i was miffed when kids became raiders,
> steelers or cowboys fans even though the were from the ny area.  they
> should be jets or gints fans. petty front runners like that in youth
> become petty front runners as adults... still... i can appreciate it
> if a jet fan skips out on watching the superbowl considering that the
> jets were so close twice in a row.  even rex and other coaches have
> said it was too hard to watch a superbowl after an afc champ loss.  it
> is understanding.
>
> There have been entire seasons where I watched a lot of football, and very
> little of the Jets because it was flat out boring or a waste of time to
> watch.  I like watching football and just happen to be a Jets fan.  I was
> very happy The Pack won.  I can however understand players and coaches not
> watching.  When I was involved in the game it was very different, I actually
> enjoy watching two good teams compete now.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

an odd thought here... i actually found it to be pretty interesting
watching the "replacement" games during the 82 strike shortened
season. there were a few guys that managed to stay on an NFL roster
even when the strike was over. The Jets of course had Scott Mersereau


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 2:46 pm
From: Ritchie


On Feb 8, 2:41 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> an odd thought here... i actually found it to be pretty interesting
> watching the "replacement" games during the 82 strike shortened
> season.  there were a few guys that managed to stay on an NFL roster
> even when the strike was over.  The Jets of course had Scott Mersereau

I actually found it interesting also, just to see what the replacement
players could do.

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TOPIC: College Police update Ben Rapistberger sexual predator pictures.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 1:28 am
From: "Rob Cypher aka \"The Anti-Bob\""


On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:30:10 +0000 (UTC), IMBJR <imbjr@cloon.fucker> wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:47:14 -0500, Rob Cypher aka \"The Anti-Bob\" wrote:
>
>> From: "Rob Cypher aka \"The Anti-Bob\"" <balst32@aol.com>
>
>I remember you. Some fucking King of alt.slack you turned out to be.

Kings don't have to be there 24/7 - that's why Kings are Kings.
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 8:34 am
From: IMBJR


On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 04:28:37 -0500, Rob Cypher aka \"The Anti-Bob\" wrote:

> Kings don't have to be there 24/7 - that's why Kings are Kings

Pfft.

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TOPIC: Ben is Dilfer, but with longer tenure.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5292f853724bc0b5?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 6:20 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> > Name the receivers Dilfer had to throw to?
>
> The name Shannon Sharpe comes to mind.

He passed the ball?


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 6:23 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

>
>
> > On Feb 7, 2:46 pm, Husky <cyns...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 7, 2:02 pm, 6 <bellyfl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 7, 1:31 pm, Husky <cyns...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Really, he was blessed to be on a team with a stout Def.
> > > > > __________________
>
> > > > You're out of your mind.
>
> > > > Dilfer put up less yards than Ben while playing in more games, his
> > > > career comp % is 55.5 as compared to Ben's 63.1, Ben smokes him in avg
> > > > yds per attempt 8.0 to 6.5 ... and the list goes on.
>
> > > > Ben is to Bradshaw as Dilfer is to Neil O'Donnell.
>
> > > Name the receivers Dilfer had to throw to?  Dilfer didn't have a 34
> > > QB, in his SB rating like Ben did in the Seattle SB.
> > > Plus, Dilfer was throwing prior to the Rule changes that the Cry Baby
> > > Polian demanded.
>
> > > Again, both were blessed to be on a teams with a stout Defs.
>
> > I can see if your point is Rothliesberger is over-rated, but comparing
> > him with Dilfer is laughable. Dilfer was released the next year by the
> > Ravens if i remember correctly.
>
> JMHO, but the point was that a great D allows a less than spectacular
> QB a chance at a championship.  e.g., it's the team around you that
> determines success.  Pitt has had a history of acquiring an incredible
> amount of talent.
>
> Dilfer was 7-1 as a starter for the Ravens and won 4 playoff games on
> the road.  The next season he played with Seattle, going 4-0 and
> setting a personal career QB rating mark.
> Even if Ben is better than Dilfer, Dilfer accomplished what Ben Did,
> in better fashion, with a good Def team.

JMHO but that is just an idiotic opinion. How many regular season
games & playoff games has Ben won? How many people said Dilfer is the
man you want with the ball with 2 minutes to go? I hope you are
trolling on this one.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 6:27 am
From: mtfester@netscape.net


In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers John C TX <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes

> > > Name the receivers Dilfer had to throw to?
> >
> > The name Shannon Sharpe comes to mind.

> He passed the ball?

FWIW, Dilfer has a better QB rating in the Super Bowl than Ben.

Mike


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 7:22 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> FWIW, Dilfer has a better QB rating in the Super Bowl than Ben.
>
> Mike

Mike, you are right but it isn't close if you compare that same number
to total play off games and there is a bigger spread if you compare
regular season. Do you honestly think they are even close in skill?

If all we looked at was ratings to rank QB's in the Super Bowl then
Doug Williams would be ranked higher than Brady.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 10:12 am
From: 6


On Feb 8, 9:27 am, mtfes...@netscape.net wrote:
> In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
> > > > Name the receivers Dilfer had to throw to?
>
> > > The name Shannon Sharpe comes to mind.
> > He passed the ball?
>
> FWIW, Dilfer has a better QB rating in the Super Bowl than Ben.

OK, that's one game. Go on.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 11:46 am
From: MZ


On Feb 8, 1:12 pm, 6 <bellyfl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 9:27 am, mtfes...@netscape.net wrote:
>
> > In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > X-No-Archive: Yes
> > > > > Name the receivers Dilfer had to throw to?
>
> > > > The name Shannon Sharpe comes to mind.
> > > He passed the ball?
>
> > FWIW, Dilfer has a better QB rating in the Super Bowl than Ben.
>
> OK, that's one game. Go on.

Sometimes only one game is all that matters. Dilfer had a good season
in '00. It wasn't just the D and Jamal Lewis (although that certainly
helps!). Sort of like Brad Johnson in '02. Sure, when you take into
account his whole career, he wasn't a very good QB. But his '02
season was phenomenal. IMO, he deserved MVP consideration that year.

Look back and you often see that championship teams have a bunch of
guys who weren't very impressive throughout their careers, but reached
their peak at the same time. Look at the '01 Pats, with guys like
Tebucky Jones, Otis Smith, and Bobby Hamilton on the defensive side of
the ball. How can you field a top defense with guys like that? Well,
when you consider their career performance, they weren't so great.
But those three guys had great seasons that year and were instrumental
pieces in the championship. Look at '02...was there a better pass
rusher in football than Simeon Rice? Look how strong the Bucs'
secondary was (how many of you remember who won the SB MVP that
year?). Or the '07 Giants front 7? How about Indy's defense in their
championship? Branch and Patten in '04? Nobody remembers these
things. They just remember the players who were consistently good
throughout their careers.

In 2000, Trent Dilfer was a good quarterback. Maybe it had to do with
all the pieces around him, but maybe not.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 1:31 pm
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes
> On Feb 8, 1:12 pm, 6 <bellyfl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 8, 9:27 am, mtfes...@netscape.net wrote:
>
> > > In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > X-No-Archive: Yes
> > > > > > Name the receivers Dilfer had to throw to?
>
> > > > > The name Shannon Sharpe comes to mind.
> > > > He passed the ball?
>
> > > FWIW, Dilfer has a better QB rating in the Super Bowl than Ben.
>
> > OK, that's one game. Go on.
>
> Sometimes only one game is all that matters.  Dilfer had a good season
> in '00.  It wasn't just the D and Jamal Lewis (although that certainly
> helps!).  Sort of like Brad Johnson in '02.  Sure, when you take into
> account his whole career, he wasn't a very good QB.  But his '02
> season was phenomenal.  IMO, he deserved MVP consideration that year.
>
> Look back and you often see that championship teams have a bunch of
> guys who weren't very impressive throughout their careers, but reached
> their peak at the same time.  Look at the '01 Pats, with guys like
> Tebucky Jones, Otis Smith, and Bobby Hamilton on the defensive side of
> the ball.  How can you field a top defense with guys like that?  Well,
> when you consider their career performance, they weren't so great.
> But those three guys had great seasons that year and were instrumental
> pieces in the championship.  Look at '02...was there a better pass
> rusher in football than Simeon Rice?  Look how strong the Bucs'
> secondary was (how many of you remember who won the SB MVP that
> year?).  Or the '07 Giants front 7?  How about Indy's defense in their
> championship?  Branch and Patten in '04?  Nobody remembers these
> things.  They just remember the players who were consistently good
> throughout their careers.
>
> In 2000, Trent Dilfer was a good quarterback.  Maybe it had to do with
> all the pieces around him, but maybe not.

Really, he had such a good year they let him leave?

Maybe, but wasn't tony Banks the starter? I honestly can't remember
how he played but he did win a a ring


--

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 6:49 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> > >Those draft picks aren't going to make much difference right away
> > >(rookies)
>
> Hard to say.  They had three rookies make significant impacts this
> year (McCourty, Gronkowski, and Hernandez) and only one was a first
> rounder.  This year they have three picks in the top 33.


You are forgetting Spikes who could be a player but the failed drug
test is always scary. Is it him or is it steroids.

Mark, if you find players like you did in 2010 it is big. I am hoping
you have a repeat of 2009.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 6:59 am
From: DIet Plan <1of9@kaxy.com>


On Feb 6, 8:00 am, DIet Plan <1...@kaxy.com> wrote:
> .

.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 7:33 am
From: Drumrboy


On Feb 7, 9:04 am, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Basically it happened in NY so she is of legal age of consent, nothing
> illegal committed. Here is the article:
>
> fromwww.nydailynews.com-
>
> A sports blog taking aim at Mark Sanchez says there's nothing
> salacious about the photos taken by a 17-year-old girl who says she
> went home with the Jets quarterback.
>
> Deadspin.com says it is waiting until Tuesday to post pics that the
> girl took inside Sanchez's bedroom after they met on New Year's Eve.
>
> Blog editor A.J. Daulerio says the photos aren't graphic and there
> wouldn't be anything illegal about the hook-up because the teen was of
> legal age.
>
> The photos show an unmade bed that the she says is Sanchez's and a
> picture on the bedroom wall that depicts Sanchez and his nephew,
> Daulerio said Sunday.
>
> The high school senior who contacted the website, claims she slept
> with Sanchez, 24, at his home in the New York area.
>
> She later got cold feet about dishing on the hunky quarterback and
> hired a lawyer, who wrote Deadspin warning it not to publish the
> photos or any details of the alleged affair.
>
> "(The teen) has not engaged in any improper conduct," wrote lawyer
> Richard Kendall, who warned of further legal action.
>
> The site promptly posted Kendall's letter online, along with a promise
> to reveal more details tomorrow. The Jets refused comment on the story
> and Sanchez couldn't be reached.
>
> Deadspin is the same site that broke the story that Brett Favre texted
> photos of his private parts to Jets hostess Jenn Sterger. It also
> published foot fetish pictures that bore a striking resemblance to the
> wife of Jets Coach Rex Ryan.

A high school senior? Sorry, that's fucking creepy. He's 24 years old!
His parents must be so proud.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 9:47 am
From: Ritchie


On Feb 8, 10:33 am, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 9:04 am, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Basically it happened in NY so she is of legal age of consent, nothing
> > illegal committed. Here is the article:
>
> > fromwww.nydailynews.com-
>
> > A sports blog taking aim at Mark Sanchez says there's nothing
> > salacious about the photos taken by a 17-year-old girl who says she
> > went home with the Jets quarterback.
>
> > Deadspin.com says it is waiting until Tuesday to post pics that the
> > girl took inside Sanchez's bedroom after they met on New Year's Eve.
>
> > Blog editor A.J. Daulerio says the photos aren't graphic and there
> > wouldn't be anything illegal about the hook-up because the teen was of
> > legal age.
>
> > The photos show an unmade bed that the she says is Sanchez's and a
> > picture on the bedroom wall that depicts Sanchez and his nephew,
> > Daulerio said Sunday.
>
> > The high school senior who contacted the website, claims she slept
> > with Sanchez, 24, at his home in the New York area.
>
> > She later got cold feet about dishing on the hunky quarterback and
> > hired a lawyer, who wrote Deadspin warning it not to publish the
> > photos or any details of the alleged affair.
>
> > "(The teen) has not engaged in any improper conduct," wrote lawyer
> > Richard Kendall, who warned of further legal action.
>
> > The site promptly posted Kendall's letter online, along with a promise
> > to reveal more details tomorrow. The Jets refused comment on the story
> > and Sanchez couldn't be reached.
>
> > Deadspin is the same site that broke the story that Brett Favre texted
> > photos of his private parts to Jets hostess Jenn Sterger. It also
> > published foot fetish pictures that bore a striking resemblance to the
> > wife of Jets Coach Rex Ryan.
>
> A high school senior? Sorry, that's fucking creepy. He's 24 years old!
> His parents must be so proud.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

She is of legal age of consent, that's all that matters. Her parents
must also be proud to have a slut for a daughter. I would have said
whore but whores get paid.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 1:44 pm
From: Drumrboy


On Feb 8, 12:47 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 10:33 am, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 9:04 am, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Basically it happened in NY so she is of legal age of consent, nothing
> > > illegal committed. Here is the article:
>
> > > fromwww.nydailynews.com-
>
> > > A sports blog taking aim at Mark Sanchez says there's nothing
> > > salacious about the photos taken by a 17-year-old girl who says she
> > > went home with the Jets quarterback.
>
> > > Deadspin.com says it is waiting until Tuesday to post pics that the
> > > girl took inside Sanchez's bedroom after they met on New Year's Eve.
>
> > > Blog editor A.J. Daulerio says the photos aren't graphic and there
> > > wouldn't be anything illegal about the hook-up because the teen was of
> > > legal age.
>
> > > The photos show an unmade bed that the she says is Sanchez's and a
> > > picture on the bedroom wall that depicts Sanchez and his nephew,
> > > Daulerio said Sunday.
>
> > > The high school senior who contacted the website, claims she slept
> > > with Sanchez, 24, at his home in the New York area.
>
> > > She later got cold feet about dishing on the hunky quarterback and
> > > hired a lawyer, who wrote Deadspin warning it not to publish the
> > > photos or any details of the alleged affair.
>
> > > "(The teen) has not engaged in any improper conduct," wrote lawyer
> > > Richard Kendall, who warned of further legal action.
>
> > > The site promptly posted Kendall's letter online, along with a promise
> > > to reveal more details tomorrow. The Jets refused comment on the story
> > > and Sanchez couldn't be reached.
>
> > > Deadspin is the same site that broke the story that Brett Favre texted
> > > photos of his private parts to Jets hostess Jenn Sterger. It also
> > > published foot fetish pictures that bore a striking resemblance to the
> > > wife of Jets Coach Rex Ryan.
>
> > A high school senior? Sorry, that's fucking creepy. He's 24 years old!
> > His parents must be so proud.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> She is of legal age of consent, that's all that matters.

Really? Apparently you don't have a 17 year old daughter.

> Her parents must also be proud to have a slut for a daughter. I would have said
> whore but whores get paid.

Right, blame the High School student not the 24 year old ADULT.
Gotcha.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 2:45 pm
From: Ritchie


On Feb 8, 4:44 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > She is of legal age of consent, that's all that matters.
>
> Really? Apparently you don't have a 17 year old daughter.

My wife and I have no children, never liked them never will. But all
the balm,e cannot be put and Sanchez. The girl has her share of blame/
responsibility also. Her parents are also to be held accountable in
their failure to teach her proper values.

> > Her parents must also be proud to have a slut for a daughter. I would have said
> > whore but whores get paid.
>
> Right, blame the High School student not the 24 year old ADULT.
> Gotcha

Both are at fault genius. Him for making a poor choice and her for
being a slut.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 7:35 am
From: Drumrboy


On Feb 7, 10:08 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> This is a little old but certainly good news.
>
> http://www.nypost.com/p/sportsjets/sanchez_won_go_under_the_knife_mzd...

This gives him more time to cruise the local High Schools looking for
a date.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 11:08 am
From: JetsLife


On Feb 7, 10:05 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <d49343e3-6f7d-49a2-8602-645d5ff80...@r16g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> > for next season's roster only. Beyond that the calculus changes:
>
> > Brad Smith
> > Harris
> > Holmes
> > Cromartie
> > Ellis
> > Hunter
> > Pool
> > Weatherford
> > Folk
> > Coleman
> > Eric Smith
> > Edwards
> > Dig
>
> > To me the top six are must haves. Edwards and Holmes are the same type
> > receiver but Holmes is a mile better.
>
> Life, I will bite.
>
> Brad Smith is not a dominant WR, the wildcat is an anomaly rather than a
> critical set of downs and it has not been used reliably in the one place
> it makes sense to me (near the goal line). He is a dynamic special teams
> player and if he wants to play for a special teamer's and back-up's
> salary fine. But I have no problem letting him go if he insist on and
> can get more from another team. No way is he a must have.
>

Well, the given for every Jets FA in question is "at the right price."
I don't want any player at exorbitant pricing.

So. Smith is unbelievably valuable to the Jets. It's not just Wildcat
it's his kick off returning, as well. He virtually single-handedly won
us the Cincy game. His KO return for a TD opening the Pittsburgh game
was as big as they come. Jets were reeling after 2 straight divisional
losses and his opening TD set the tone early in that game. If he
doesn't score perhaps the Jets lose their third straight and miss the
playoffs.

In Westhoff's scheme we've seen various KO returners produce: Chad
Morton, Justin Miller, Leon Washington, B. Smith, Cromartie. So it's
not as much about Brad or any returner ...

His Wilcattin' was absolutely critical in the Miami road win. He was
important in both Buffalo games - tho the latter doesn't quite count.
And I know there are some other games his Wildcattin' was key. When
Smith & the Wildcat have the kind of impact it has had, it's more than
anomaly. It's a key offensive weapon.

So when you add up all of Brad's production on offense and specials,
one sees just how valuable he is to the team.

Bottom line for me regarding Brad: I just really really want him to
remain a Jet for as long as possible. I just love what he brings to
the table.

> Harris is a must have. Hence the use of the Tag. I hope they can reach
> agreement on a 4 or 5 year deal. No one who watches the team questions
> your assessment.
>
> Holmes is wonderful but I suspect he will bolt for the dollars. If so,
> don't shed a tear when the door slams him on his butt on the way out.
>

If he signs for reasonable deal elsewhere, I'll definitely shed a
tear. Like Buddy Ryan told Santonio late in the season, as told by
Rex: you've won four games for the Jets. (Denver, Detroit, Cleveland,
Texans).

The guy is a flat-out playmaker and dynamic weapon.

My only concern - and it's major - paying 'Tone is his eligibility
status vis a vis off-field discretions. IINM one more failed drug test
or whatever and he's out for a year.


> Cromartie cost us a #2 pick. If he and Aso are the same cost, I could
> agree to the older player. But we need one or the other or our team is
> weakened and we lost the pick to fix it. So Cro or someone of equal or
> more ability is a must have. It just doesn't have to be him.
>

Agreed.

But, thinking about it now, I'd consider not paying up for Cro, Aso or
the like in exchange for some legit front-seven pass rush talent.
Unsure if I'd do it, but man, our front-seven pass rush was gahbage
last season. Obviously losing Big Jenks was a critical blow as he
could collapse the pocket. It was encouraging Pace came on late in the
season. The hit on Brady in the playoffs was a thing of beauty.

> Ellis is old. If he wants to finish out his career here for a chance at
> a ring for a one or two year cap friendly deal, fine. This is the type
> of player we can get in FA. We cannot afford to overpay.
>

Agreed, mostly. I don't think it's certain he's the type of player we
can get in FA: solid d-linemen don't just grow on trees. And Ellis is
still very much a solid d-lineman.


> I am sure Hunter would be pleased to be considered a must-have. So would
> his agent. First time I ever heard of a back up OL called a must have.
> NOT.
>

Yeah, maybe I went overboard on calling him a must have. I think what
I was trying to get at it is that I don't want to mess with the o-line
-- that is we must keep it an anchor and strength of the team. And as
a back up Hunter was part of that. He was an excellent back up. As it
stands RT is a position of major concern with Woody's injuries and
age. Is Vlad going to step in there?


> Poole is a mystery to me. I thought he had an down, up, down season. The
> coaches are responsible for getting this one right. If he needs another
> year in the system and can be the dynamic, fast, hard hitting safety we
> need, he is a must have. If he will always be the guy who screws up and
> makes mistakes, he is not. IOW, he may or may not be a must have and
> this decision has to be right.
>

Agreed. I didn't include him in my must have list.

> Weatherford made the playoffs harder for the Jets. His failure to know
> down or distance cost us the dumbest fake punt in Jets history (gaining
> something like 14 yards and turning the ball over on our end of the
> field). His punting in the playoffs was horrific. Let him walk or sign
> him for the minimum. Calling W a must have is even funnier than calling
> Hunter one, given the quality of W's post season. A dumb choke artist a
> must have, puleeze.
>

I didn't have him on my must have list. He was brilliant in the
regular season, atrocious in the playoffs.


> Of the others, I think Braylon is a must have because of his size, heart
> and run blocking on a ground and pound team. Holmes is the flash in the
> pan WR who can pull a game out of his butt. Braylon could be the WR who
> makes such plays less necessary.
>

I put Braylon so low assuming the Jets can't afford, cap wise, to keep
both.

To include Santonio and "flash in the pan WR" in the same sentence is
craziness, as I think you know. I understand your point but to semi
dismiss Holmes flies in the face of his brilliant career thus far,
performance for the Jets this year, and why Rex flew out of his chair
to tell Tanny to get Holmes now when he became available. I trust
Rex's football opinion a million percent more than ours.

If we have to choose one I'd go with Santonio. Unfortunately both
represent significant risks because of their off-field discretions. On
the field the downside for both is they're not true burners. Braylon
seems to be the speedier deep threat while Holmes has amazing
quickness and cutting ability off the snap. Each has good speed and
can get deep, but I don't think either one keeps opposing coordinators
up at night.

Ideally we bring back both on incentive-laden deals tied specifically
to staying out of trouble off the field, so they remain on the field.


> Finally, while Dig and Coleman are likely affordable and have performed,
> if I never see Eric Smith in a Jets uniform, I will be pleased. There is
> no room for a tiny LB or a too slow safety who makes dumb plays and
> mistakes.
>

Agree, mostly. Smith has made some bad plays, but sometimes I like
him. He came on late in the season and in the playoffs save his helmet-
to-helmet in the AFC Championship.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 11:10 am
From: JetsLife


On Feb 7, 3:52 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <6c5db513-b553-4c27-885b-89f8e4290...@z20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 7, 10:05 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <d49343e3-6f7d-49a2-8602-645d5ff80...@r16g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > for next season's roster only. Beyond that the calculus changes:
>
> > > > Brad Smith
> > > > Harris
> > > > Holmes
> > > > Cromartie
> > > > Ellis
> > > > Hunter
> > > > Pool
> > > > Weatherford
> > > > Folk
> > > > Coleman
> > > > Eric Smith
> > > > Edwards
> > > > Dig
>
> > > > To me the top six are must haves. Edwards and Holmes are the same type
> > > > receiver but Holmes is a mile better.
>
> > > Life, I will bite.
>
> > > Brad Smith is not a dominant WR, the wildcat is an anomaly rather than a
> > > critical set of downs and it has not been used reliably in the one place
> > > it makes sense to me (near the goal line). He is a dynamic special teams
> > > player and if he wants to play for a special teamer's and back-up's
> > > salary fine. But I have no problem letting him go if he insist on and
> > > can get more from another team. No way is he a must have.
>
> > > Harris is a must have. Hence the use of the Tag. I hope they can reach
> > > agreement on a 4 or 5 year deal. No one who watches the team questions
> > > your assessment.
>
> > > Holmes is wonderful but I suspect he will bolt for the dollars. If so,
> > > don't shed a tear when the door slams him on his butt on the way out.
>
> > > Cromartie cost us a #2 pick. If he and Aso are the same cost, I could
> > > agree to the older player. But we need one or the other or our team is
> > > weakened and we lost the pick to fix it. So Cro or someone of equal or
> > > more ability is a must have. It just doesn't have to be him.
>
> > > Ellis is old. If he wants to finish out his career here for a chance at
> > > a ring for a one or two year cap friendly deal, fine. This is the type
> > > of player we can get in FA. We cannot afford to overpay.
>
> > > I am sure Hunter would be pleased to be considered a must-have. So would
> > > his agent. First time I ever heard of a back up OL called a must have.
> > > NOT.
>
> > > Poole is a mystery to me. I thought he had an down, up, down season. The
> > > coaches are responsible for getting this one right. If he needs another
> > > year in the system and can be the dynamic, fast, hard hitting safety we
> > > need, he is a must have. If he will always be the guy who screws up and
> > > makes mistakes, he is not. IOW, he may or may not be a must have and
> > > this decision has to be right.
>
> > > Weatherford made the playoffs harder for the Jets. His failure to know
> > > down or distance cost us the dumbest fake punt in Jets history (gaining
> > > something like 14 yards and turning the ball over on our end of the
> > > field). His punting in the playoffs was horrific. Let him walk or sign
> > > him for the minimum. Calling W a must have is even funnier than calling
> > > Hunter one, given the quality of W's post season. A dumb choke artist a
> > > must have, puleeze.
>
> > > Of the others, I think Braylon is a must have because of his size, heart
> > > and run blocking on a ground and pound team. Holmes is the flash in the
> > > pan WR who can pull a game out of his butt. Braylon could be the WR who
> > > makes such plays less necessary.
>
> > > Finally, while Dig and Coleman are likely affordable and have performed,
> > > if I never see Eric Smith in a Jets uniform, I will be pleased. There is
> > > no room for a tiny LB or a too slow safety who makes dumb plays and
> > > mistakes.
>
> > > harlan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Uh just a quick note first: I said only the first 6 are must haves,
> > not anyone else.
>
> Life, that was clear. If you reread my response you will see that I
> respected your distinction.
>
> Since I completely disagreed with the categorizations  of must needs as
> including Brad Smith, Holmes, Ellis and Hunter, I felt comfortable
> stating that IMHO, Braylon was clearly a must have and that if Poole was
> a lot better than he appeared to me (as determined by the coaches) then
> he was too.
>
> Since you addressed the other 7, I assume in order, I felt it
> appropriate to expound brilliantly on those too.
>
> harlan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think you said I said Weatherford and Pool were included in my must
haves, which they weren't. Roger that on the rest of your post here.

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TOPIC: Potential boycott of combine
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3fba57ab8784ad7e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 11:30 am
From: Michael


"The NFL scouting combine is two weeks away, and as of now, it's
expected to go according to plan. However, there were whispers in
Dallas over the weekend of a potential organized boycott of the event
from the players' side of this ugly battle.

Two people familiar with the situation told The Associated Press the
union has suggested keeping potential 2011 draft picks away from the
combine in Indianapolis and from other draft-related activities
because of the expiring collective bargaining agreement and potential
lockout"

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-mock-draft-cam-newton-arizona-cardinals-020711

Hmmm....


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Date: Tues, Feb 8 2011 1:22 pm
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-mock-draft-cam-newton-arizona-...
>
> Hmmm....

I like the pick for the Jets but I have no idea if this guy knows
anything about the combine. Everyone was jumping up and down about
him at the Senior Bowl. I never saw Baylor play this year.

29. New York Jets (11-5), Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor: Kris Jenkins went
down with a season-ending injury in the first game of the season
against Baltimore, and Sione Pouha did a formidable job filling in for
the remainder of the year. Taylor, a 340-pound load of a man, could be
the right pick, here. If there's any concern with Taylor, it's his
stamina. I have no doubt Rex Ryan and the Jets' high-powered defense
are capable of motivating the big boy to stay in shape. General
manager Mike Tannenbaum has 17 free agents to worry about. If the
lockout's still going on come draft time, the Jets will be an
interesting team to watch. Perhaps no team's roster is more of a
question mark.


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