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A Victory for Rights in Egypt

Dear Avnish,
Today belongs to the people of Egypt, as they celebrate their victory in their struggle for democracy and human rights.
President Hosni Mubarak's departure is a historic moment that should mark the transition to a government that respects human rights, if the military keeps its promise to protect the achievements won by the protesters.
Human Rights Watch is working with local activists to make this happen.
Many died in this struggle. Human Rights Watch scoured hospitals and interviewed doctors in Cairo, Alexandria, and Suez, counting the number of protesters killed – 302, by our conservative estimate – so that those responsible for the deaths can be brought to justice.
By sharing the stories of those harmed and detained, we're supporting Egyptians in their fight for freedoms and dignity.
This is a moment of huge emotion and a moment of great hope for Egypt and the region. The road ahead is full of challenges, but Human Rights Watch will work to protect the gains of this courageous protest movement.
 
 

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:13306 Re: Advocacy on Bill seeks to let 12-yr-olds have non-penetrative sex is certainly not the right choice - Avnish Jolly

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Bravo! Excellent Research through SWOT analysis to facilitate the
creation of an adolescent-friendly society through need based policy
reforms which will be surely beneficial not only to the policy makers,
adolescents/youth but also as a ' Model Case Study' for the bonafide
sensitization /capacity building, solutions etc. for all other the
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by God's Grace!

Let's continue our need-based advocacy & hope for the necessary
changes to the proposed Bill seeking to let 12 years old have non-
penetrative sex in the 21st century.

Thanks & All the Best!
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On Feb 11, 11:51 pm, Avnish Jolly <avnishjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Advocacy on Bill seeks to let 12-yr-olds have non-penetrative sex is
> certainly not the right choice - Avnish Jolly
>
> Although there is increasing evidence of risky consensual sex among
> young people in our society, non-consensual sexual experiences among
> them have rarely been studied and few interventions have been designed
> to protect them from the risks of such experiences. Bill seeks to let
> 12-yr-olds have non-penetrative sex is certainly not the right choice.
> However, what is available suggests that coercion and unwantedness may
> play a considerable role in the sexual relations of young people —
> girls and young women but also boys and young men. The implications of
> non-consensual sexual experiences for young people's rights, their
> health and development and the risks they pose in the transition to
> adulthood are enormous. At the same time, anecdotal evidence, crime
> data and my expearence while working with this group on this issue is
> disturbing picture of coerced or unwanted sex and sexual touch among
> significant numbers of young people, particularly girls but also boys
> and young men. While rape is the most extreme form of non-consensual
> sex, diverse socio-cultural settings have documented a broad range of
> experiences that can be identified as sexual coercion, including
> unwanted touch, coerced sex through threats, and sex in exchange for
> gifts and money.
>
> Although young people who experience sexual coercion/violence should
> be able to turn to health care providers, social service agencies and
> law enforcement agencies for help that their friends and family cannot
> provide. They need compassionate sources of counselling, emergency
> contraception, STI treatment and care for other kinds of health
> problems. In cases of rape, victims need the services of someone
> recognised by the courts as qualified to document evidence with legal
> validity (in many countries a medical doctor is not considered
> qualified to document legal evidence of rape by the law). In cases
> where a young woman or man would like to bring charges against a
> perpetrator, victims need a competent and sensitised police force and
> judicial system. Above all, these services need to be delivered in
> compassionate and non-judgmental ways. Unfortunately, throughout the
> developing world (and many parts of the developed world), an
> appropriate institutional response is lacking (if not non-existent).
> In many cases, the experience of seeking help from health care
> providers, much less the police, is traumatising and the same negative
> attitudes towards victims of violence that permeate the larger society
> are rampant among the staff of health care institutions, and even more
> so among the police and judicial systems. Young people themselves
> appear to be aware of the lack of institutional support. The majority
> of rapes are not prosecuted and that more stringent punishment is
> needed.
>
> Indeed, the response of the health sector, judiciary and law
> enforcement agencies can exacerbate rather than ameliorate the
> negative impact of a coercive experience (for example, see Heise,
> Ellsberg and Gottemoeller 1999 and relevant issues of Human Rights
> Watch reports such as Human Rights Watch 1999). While few studies have
> explicitly explored this issue, studies from India and Nigeria
> highlight the fact that the police and prosecutors often fail to
> address victims in a sensitive and professional manner, and few
> reported rape cases result in convictions (Gangrade, Sooryamoorthy and
> Renjini 1995; Omorodion and Olusanya 1998).
>
> While working with largely among the unmarried, there is evidence that
> it is commonplace among married couples as well. It occurs largely
> among individuals who are acquainted with each other. It covers a
> continuum of behaviours ranging from unwanted verbal advances to
> unwanted touch to assault and forced sex, as well as sex in exchange
> for money, gifts, food or protection. The consequences of sexual
> coercion are formidable: they are short and long-term; and have
> physical, psychological and social effects. Sexual health
> manifestations range from
>
> unintended pregnancy, abortion and infection to risk-taking
> behaviours, including early onset of consensual sex, multiple partner
> relations and non-use of condoms. Psychological outcomes range from
> symptoms of anxiety and depression to suicide attempts. School
> performance can also be affected. While evidence suggests that sexual
> coercion may occur at any age, the circumstances of young people's
> lives and the resources at their disposal are quite different from
> those of adults, requiring a specific focus on their experiences and
> needs. Under certain circumstances, and particularly at the time of
> first sexual experience, young people may be less equipped than adults
> to avoid non-consensual sex and may have fewer choices available to
> them when they do experience coercion.
>
> A number of obstacles inhibit adolescents from protecting themselves
> from non-consensual sexual relations and from taking action against a
> perpetrator or to withdraw from a coercive relationship. Gender double
> standards and expectations of women and men in the sexual arena
> dominate these obstacles. Communication and negotiation on sexual
> matters, moreover, tend to be difficult and are often replaced by
> actions that include force and violence to resolve differences. The
> lack of a supportive environment and trusted adults and peers to
> consult on sexual health matters may also enhance young people's (and
> particularly young women's) vulnerability to coercive sexual
> relations. And finally, perceptions of institutional indifference — at
> the community, school, crime and health sector levels — can inhibit
> help-seeking both among victims as well as others who may wish to seek
> counselling on how to confront a potentially threatening situation.
> Moreover, the implications of non-consensual sexual experiences for
> young people's rights, their health and development, and the risks
> they pose in the transition to adulthood are enormous.
>
> The World Report on Violence and Health cautions that sexual violence
> is complicated by the multiple forms it takes and the contexts in
> which it occurs, and by the fact that risk factors may vary in
> importance according to the life stage of the victim (WHO 2002). The
> report cites a number of factors that may increase the vulnerability
> of women in particular to sexual violence, namely young age, alcohol
> and drug consumption, previous experiences of abuse, multiple partner
> relations and poverty. Some research has explored the types of
> structural and environmental factors that put young people at greater
> risk of sexual coercion, including poverty, patriarchy, societal norms
> that support sexual violence and gender inequity, early marriage,
> inadequate educational and health systems, and ineffective laws and
> policies. Most available studies have focused on young women's —
> rather than young men's — experiences and suggest that young people
> who experience non-consensual sexual experiences are more likely than
> others to report poor educational attainment, migrant status,
> residence away from parents, and alcohol and drug use (see for
> example, Bohmer and Kirumira 1997; Cheng Yimin et al. 2001; WHO 2002),
> although, in some cases these may be consequences of rather than risk
> factors for abuse. Anecdotal evidence points, moreover, to such
> factors as crowded housing conditions and the lack of adequate or safe
> housing as additional, yet unexplored, factors. While few studies have
> directly explored beyond these factors, the context of non-consensual
> relations described in these largely qualitative studies offers an
> insight on the kind of risk factors that make for a dangerous
> environment for young people. Aside from the structural factors noted
> earlier, these factors work at the individual, family, community and
> systemic levels. Prominent among these are gender double standards,
> power imbalances and inadequate negotiation skills, lack of awareness
> of rights and opportunities for recourse, lack of supportive
> environments and trusted adults on sexual health matters, unfriendly
> institutional responses (health, crime, legal), and perhaps most
> important, a failure on the part of social and legal institutions in
> the community to recognise the problem and punish the perpetrators
> rather than the victims. We highlight below what is known in each of
> these areas.
>
> Recommendations
>
> The objective is to review what is known about non-consensual sexual
> relations and sexual coercion among young people in developing
> countries. What is clear is that studies of non-consensual sexual
> relations and sexual initiation among young people are sparse. The
> profile depicted here has relied on a small, pioneering case studies
> in selected settings drawn from selected sub-populations of youth;
> consequently, findings may not be representative. Also clear is that
> existing studies adopt varying and somewhat ambiguous definitions of
> non-consensual sexual experiences; and that, as this is one of the
> most methodologically difficult and sensitive areas of sexual health
> to research, responses to questions in standard survey instruments may
> not be entirely reliable.
>
> Notwithstanding these very real limitations, the few available studies
> provide many common insights and have suggested that although
> definitions, study populations and study designs may differ, making
> comparison difficult, non-consensual sex is indeed experienced by
> disturbing proportions of young people in all settings from which data
> were drawn. Coercive sex is experienced largely by girls and women,
> but also by boys and men, as well as those in same sex relationships
> (although the literature on this is sparse). While sexual coercion has
> been studied largely among the unmarried, there is evidence that it is
> common among married couples as well. Such incidents occur largely
> among individuals who are acquainted with each other. Sexual coercion
> covers a continuum of behaviours ranging from unwanted verbal advances
> to unwanted touch to assault and forced sex, as well as sex in
> exchange for money, gifts, food or protection. The consequences of
> sexual coercion are formidable: they are short- and long-term, and
> physical, psychological and social. Sexual health manifestations range
> from unintended pregnancy, abortion and infection to risk-taking
> behaviours, including early onset of consensual sex, multiple partner
> relations and non-use of condoms. Psychological outcomes range from
> symptoms of anxiety and depression to suicide attempts. School
> performance can also be affected.
>
> A number of obstacles inhibit adolescents from protecting themselves
> from non-consensual sexual relations and from taking action against a
> perpetrator or to withdraw from a coercive relationship. Gender double
> standards and expectations of women and men in the sexual arena
> dominate these obstacles. Communication and negotiation on sexual
> matters, moreover, tend to be difficult and are often replaced by
> actions that include force and violence to resolve differences. The
> lack of a supportive environment and trusted adults and peers to
> consult on sexual health matters may also enhance young people's (and
> particularly young women's) vulnerability to coercive sexual
> relations. Perceptions of institutional indifference — at the
> community, school, legal and health sector levels — can inhibit help-
> seeking both among victims as well as others who may wish to seek
> counselling on how to confront a potentially threatening situation.
>
> Programme recommendations
>
> Sexual and reproductive health programmes for young people are largely
> premised on consensual sex: they often aim to increase young people's
> knowledge of safe sex, advocate abstinence or condom use, and provide
> sexual health services in youth-friendly ways. They are not
> necessarily equipped to deal with the needs of young people who
> experience non-consensual sex, whose needs go far beyond receiving
> more information on safe sex. At the same time, programmes that deal
> explicitly with non-consensual sex are often narrowly defined. Their
> focus has tended towards improving the management of the few rape
> cases that are actually reported to the police, on the assumption that
> increasing the chances of apprehending and sentencing perpetrators
> will act as a deterrent. While this is a necessary step, it is not
> sufficient.
>
> There is a paucity of published literature on programmes that address
> non-consensual sex among young people, and the absence of a discussion
> of these in this review is a reflection of this sparse information. We
> acknowledge that this limitation makes it difficult to draw programme
> recommendations from this review. However, the evidence presented in
> this review underscores a number of factors that appear to compound
> young people's vulnerability to sexual coercion, and a perusal of
> these suggest a number of programmatic actions:
>
> • Education, counselling and service activities that address non-
> consensual sex among young people must be integrated into existing
> programmes and extended to reach places where young people congregate
>
> Non-consensual sexual experiences have major implications for STIs and
> HIV, for young people's health and development, and for their rights.
> Yet, neither school activities, nor STI/AIDS prevention programmes nor
> reproductive health and family planning services typically address
> these concerns. Steps must be taken to fold appropriate prevention and
> care activities into existing programmes and facilities, and to reach
> young people outside of schools and health facilities — at youth
> centres, in programmes for the out-of-school and wherever else they
> may gather.
>
> • Sexuality education activities must counter traditional gender
> stereotypes and equip young people with the awareness and skills
> necessary to protect themselves from coercive encounters and to seek
> appropriate care in case of such incidents
>
> Evidence suggests that young people may accept sexual coercion as
> inevitable in their lives and may not perceive options in practice
> that enable them to prevent or seek help for such incidents. Sexuality
> education must dispel these misperceptions, reverse ingrained norms of
> gender double standards, power imbalances and male entitlement to sex,
> and reinforce life and negotiation skills activities that strengthen
> young people's ability to protect themselves from unwanted sexual
> advances and to take appropriate action should such incidents occur.
>
> • Sensitise parents, teachers and other trusted adults with whom young
> people interact to the importance of communicating about sexual
> matters with youth and of providing a supportive and non-judgemental
> environment more generally
>
> The importance of a supportive environment — and in particular a close
> relationship with parents — has been stressed in available studies as
> a protective influence. Findings have also suggested that known adult
> males are frequently perpetrators of sexual coercion among young
> people and that fears of censure from trusted adults inhibit young
> victims from disclosing a coercive experience. Programmes are needed
> therefore that apprise adults, particularly parents, of the reality of
> sexual coercion and the need to communicate with their children on
> sexual matters, and to provide their children a supportive environment
> where they can raise sexual health concerns.
>
> • Train providers to identify adolescent victims, to understand the
> links between sexual violence and health and rights, and to provide
> them sensitive counselling, appropriate services and safe options
>
> Case studies suggest that many health providers have negative
> attitudes towards those who experience sexual coercion/violence (for
> example, see Guedes et al. 2002). These findings suggest the need to
> train health providers to recognise and enquire sensitively about
> sexual abuse. Ideally, health providers should be able to Non-
> consensual sexual experiences of young people: A review of the
> evidence from developing countries provide appropriate counselling and
> services that enable young victims to deal with the incident, and
> assist others who may not have experienced the "tip of the iceberg" in
> protecting themselves from further and even more severe forms of
> coercion. They also need to know how to provide emergency
> contraception and basic referrals to available competent and
> compassionate community services (including the police) to help young
> people who have experienced sexual violence.

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<br>
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Dear Belove,

Buzz It


Dear Belove,

I am Miss Antonaiy Jeffrey young medical student from Cote d'Ivoire West Africa.I would like to go into a partnership with you; it is my pleasure to contact you for a business venture which I intend to establish in your country.
Though I have not met with you before but I believe one has to riskconfident in succeed sometimes in life. There is this huge amount ($5.5 million US) dollars United State Dollarswhich my late Father deposited on my name in the suspense account with one Bank here in Abidjan cote west africa before his Death.

Now I have decided to invest this money in your country or anywhere safeenough
outside Africa for security and political reasons. I want you to helpme claim and retrieve these fund from the Bank and transfer it into your personal account in your country for investment purposes,
If you can be of assistance to me I will be I am waiting for your soonest response.

Yours Sincerely,

Miss Antonaiy Jeffrey

alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

Buzz It
alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets
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Today's topics:

* Chico Going To Prom With New Girlfriend! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c222bfcd3e3e3a46?hl=en
* Potential boycott of combine - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3fba57ab8784ad7e?hl=en
* Follow Up On Sanchez and Girl - 10 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/84193efd0e4baf87?hl=en
* NFL-Union cancell talks - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/53da6e09a9d38655?hl=en
* Callahan Denied - 5 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e1c8bfae1782d6b7?hl=en
* you want for Glam Doll Namitha stills? Click here - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6adc0f8354de71b7?hl=en
* Pats Favored to won SB 46. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8e45d78e388c8cb0?hl=en

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TOPIC: Chico Going To Prom With New Girlfriend!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c222bfcd3e3e3a46?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 10 2011 6:31 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


I think this relationship is going somewhere!

mr dude


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 6:48 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes
> I think this relationship is going somewhere!
>
> mr dude

Dude, I am very disappointed. I expected you to hit this one out of
the park.

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TOPIC: Potential boycott of combine
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3fba57ab8784ad7e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 5:53 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> The core of this has to be exactly what does the union offer a potential
> player / member to become part of their efforts with absolutely no reward?
> This is not a case of "when" you get the job and report to the factory /
> mine / construction site job you will be treated fairly, rather it is a
> suggestion to take care of guys already making a huge bundle and risk never
> being part of that elite group.  In other words, the union has gotten some
> horrendous advice from someone.  They are telling young guys to not compete
> in a competitive arena, they are nuts.

PC, you hit the nail on the head. The problem they have is most
players have a very short career if they get one at all.

Notice you haven't heard another word about.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 6:58 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1fbaa45-1034-47ce-83f7-abec9782b905@a5g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
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> The core of this has to be exactly what does the union offer a potential
> player / member to become part of their efforts with absolutely no reward?
> This is not a case of "when" you get the job and report to the factory /
> mine / construction site job you will be treated fairly, rather it is a
> suggestion to take care of guys already making a huge bundle and risk
> never
> being part of that elite group. In other words, the union has gotten some
> horrendous advice from someone. They are telling young guys to not compete
> in a competitive arena, they are nuts.

PC, you hit the nail on the head. The problem they have is most
players have a very short career if they get one at all.

Notice you haven't heard another word about.

What this really says is the union has lost sight of what their mission is
supposed to be and has succombed to the greed of the people who benefit the
most from it's existence. That ultimately is counterproductive to what any
union is...if they have really adopted a thiking pattern like this they will
absolutely self destruct. I was once the president of a union...and had
some serious negotiating success...but I was taught and tried to teach
members that to gain something you can not abuse the intent of the process
or of the concept of a union, when people do that which is always driven by
self serving greed it all goes down the drain.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 7:10 am
From: John C TX


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> PC, you hit the nail on the head.  The problem they have is most
> players have a very short career if they get one at all.
>
> Notice you haven't heard another word about.
>
> What this really says is the union has lost sight of what their mission is
> supposed to be and has succombed to the greed of the people who benefit the
> most from it's existence.  That ultimately is counterproductive to what any
> union is...if they have really adopted a thiking pattern like this they will
> absolutely self destruct.  I was once the president of a union...and had
> some serious negotiating success...but I was taught and tried to teach
> members that to gain something you can not abuse the intent of the process
> or of the concept of a union, when people do that which is always driven by
> self serving greed it all goes down the drain.

The NFLPA should be doing something for the RFA's & free agents.
The rookie cap frees up money that could allow for the $ to flow to
the guys who deserve it. That Dewayne Robertson & Jonathan Sullivan
made the money the did while guys like David Harris have to wait is
just unfair.

The owners are full of s*** as well. They know that if they open
their books taxpayer supported stadiums would end.

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TOPIC: Follow Up On Sanchez and Girl
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/84193efd0e4baf87?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 5:56 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

You write a lot of things. You should probably stick to football.


== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 6:51 am
From: Tutor


On Feb 9, 12:18 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <01001338-f2dd-4903-b2bc-1851d577c...@o10g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 10:33 am, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 7, 9:04 am, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Basically it happened in NY so she is of legal age of consent, nothing
> > > > illegal committed. Here is the article:
>
> > > > fromwww.nydailynews.com-
>
> > > > A sports blog taking aim at Mark Sanchez says there's nothing
> > > > salacious about the photos taken by a 17-year-old girl who says she
> > > > went home with the Jets quarterback.
>
> > > > Deadspin.com says it is waiting until Tuesday to post pics that the
> > > > girl took inside Sanchez's bedroom after they met on New Year's Eve.
>
> > > > Blog editor A.J. Daulerio says the photos aren't graphic and there
> > > > wouldn't be anything illegal about the hook-up because the teen was of
> > > > legal age.
>
> > > > The photos show an unmade bed that the she says is Sanchez's and a
> > > > picture on the bedroom wall that depicts Sanchez and his nephew,
> > > > Daulerio said Sunday.
>
> > > > The high school senior who contacted the website, claims she slept
> > > > with Sanchez, 24, at his home in the New York area.
>
> > > > She later got cold feet about dishing on the hunky quarterback and
> > > > hired a lawyer, who wrote Deadspin warning it not to publish the
> > > > photos or any details of the alleged affair.
>
> > > > "(The teen) has not engaged in any improper conduct," wrote lawyer
> > > > Richard Kendall, who warned of further legal action.
>
> > > > The site promptly posted Kendall's letter online, along with a promise
> > > > to reveal more details tomorrow. The Jets refused comment on the story
> > > > and Sanchez couldn't be reached.
>
> > > > Deadspin is the same site that broke the story that Brett Favre texted
> > > > photos of his private parts to Jets hostess Jenn Sterger. It also
> > > > published foot fetish pictures that bore a striking resemblance to the
> > > > wife of Jets Coach Rex Ryan.
>
> > > A high school senior? Sorry, that's fucking creepy. He's 24 years old!
> > > His parents must be so proud.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > She is of legal age of consent, that's all that matters. Her parents
> > must also be proud to have a slut for a daughter. I would have said
> > whore but whores get paid.
>
> Ritchie, a 17 year old girl who wants to have sex with a celebrity who
> is interested in her may be many things but one of them is not
> necessarily a slut.
>
> It is a different world out there and having a teenage daughter, I find
> that characterization a reflection of a time that I for one am glad is
> long gone.
>
> h- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

But Harlan... for the record, this girl in particular may very well be
a slut. She has full nude pics on the internet. (link was posted on
a message board) The kind that would bring any father to violence.

Although he committed no crime, Sanchez needs to exercise far better
judgment. Someone of his status should be looking for women over 21
years old. What he did makes no sense.


== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 6:58 am
From: Tutor


On Feb 8, 4:44 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 12:47 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 10:33 am, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 7, 9:04 am, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Basically it happened in NY so she is of legal age of consent, nothing
> > > > illegal committed. Here is the article:
>
> > > > fromwww.nydailynews.com-
>
> > > > A sports blog taking aim at Mark Sanchez says there's nothing
> > > > salacious about the photos taken by a 17-year-old girl who says she
> > > > went home with the Jets quarterback.
>
> > > > Deadspin.com says it is waiting until Tuesday to post pics that the
> > > > girl took inside Sanchez's bedroom after they met on New Year's Eve.
>
> > > > Blog editor A.J. Daulerio says the photos aren't graphic and there
> > > > wouldn't be anything illegal about the hook-up because the teen was of
> > > > legal age.
>
> > > > The photos show an unmade bed that the she says is Sanchez's and a
> > > > picture on the bedroom wall that depicts Sanchez and his nephew,
> > > > Daulerio said Sunday.
>
> > > > The high school senior who contacted the website, claims she slept
> > > > with Sanchez, 24, at his home in the New York area.
>
> > > > She later got cold feet about dishing on the hunky quarterback and
> > > > hired a lawyer, who wrote Deadspin warning it not to publish the
> > > > photos or any details of the alleged affair.
>
> > > > "(The teen) has not engaged in any improper conduct," wrote lawyer
> > > > Richard Kendall, who warned of further legal action.
>
> > > > The site promptly posted Kendall's letter online, along with a promise
> > > > to reveal more details tomorrow. The Jets refused comment on the story
> > > > and Sanchez couldn't be reached.
>
> > > > Deadspin is the same site that broke the story that Brett Favre texted
> > > > photos of his private parts to Jets hostess Jenn Sterger. It also
> > > > published foot fetish pictures that bore a striking resemblance to the
> > > > wife of Jets Coach Rex Ryan.
>
> > > A high school senior? Sorry, that's fucking creepy. He's 24 years old!
> > > His parents must be so proud.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > She is of legal age of consent, that's all that matters.
>
> Really? Apparently you don't have a 17 year old daughter.
>
> > Her parents must also be proud to have a slut for a daughter. I would have said
> > whore but whores get paid.
>
> Right, blame the High School student not the 24 year old ADULT.
> Gotcha.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Both are to be blamed in this case. Sanchez needs to get his public
head on straight for sure. Bad choice here. But this girl lied her
way into a club, lied about her age then lied again that she told
Sanchez she was 17 (according to her friends, she kept up the phony 21
year old lie the entire time). She parties and clubs with adults
(including her socialite mother) and has naked pictures of herself on
the internet (not only breasts, but full spreads). This girl is
definitely a problem.

But in the end, Sanchez needs to be accountable for his decisions and
he needs to make decisions with his head, not his dick. He strikes me
as very immature for a celebrity 24 year old.


== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 6:59 am
From: Tutor


On Feb 8, 6:22 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 5:45 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 4:44 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > She is of legal age of consent, that's all that matters.
>
> > > Really? Apparently you don't have a 17 year old daughter.
>
> > My wife and I have no children, never liked them never will. But all
> > the balm,e cannot be put and Sanchez. The girl has her share of blame/
> > responsibility also. Her parents are also to be held accountable in
> > their failure to teach her proper values.
>
> > > > Her parents must also be proud to have a slut for a daughter. I would have said
> > > > whore but whores get paid.
>
> > > Right, blame the High School student not the 24 year old ADULT.
> > > Gotcha
>
> > Both are at fault genius. Him for making a poor choice and her for
> > being a slut.
>
> You conveniently leave out the fact that this is the SECOND time this
> creepy fuck has been accused of a sexual "misunderstanding".
>
> See a pattern here, Dick? She's a CHILD, you fucking dolt. She doesn't
> know better. You sticking up for a 24 year old man fucking a high
> school senior is fucking sad. Thank God you don't have kids. If that
> was my daughter that fuck would be picking up his teeth at best, dead,
> if he dared put up a fight.
>
> Where there's smoke there's fire. And calling a high schooler a "slut"
> doesn't make your boy any less creepy. Can't the creepy fuck find some
> his own age?
>
> Maybe an adult is smart enough to stay away from this douche.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

she doesn't know better? LOL. Check out her pictures on the internet
if they are still posted. SHe is quite promiscuous and an
exhibitionist.


== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 7:02 am
From: Tutor


On Feb 10, 9:49 am, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 6:22 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 5:45 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 8, 4:44 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > She is of legal age of consent, that's all that matters.
>
> > > > Really? Apparently you don't have a 17 year old daughter.
>
> > > My wife and I have no children, never liked them never will. But all
> > > the balm,e cannot be put and Sanchez. The girl has her share of blame/
> > > responsibility also. Her parents are also to be held accountable in
> > > their failure to teach her proper values.
>
> > > > > Her parents must also be proud to have a slut for a daughter. I would have said
> > > > > whore but whores get paid.
>
> > > > Right, blame the High School student not the 24 year old ADULT.
> > > > Gotcha
>
> > > Both are at fault genius. Him for making a poor choice and her for
> > > being a slut.
>
> > You conveniently leave out the fact that this is the SECOND time this
> > creepy fuck has been accused of a sexual "misunderstanding".
>
> > See a pattern here, Dick? She's a CHILD, you fucking dolt. She doesn't
> > know better. You sticking up for a 24 year old man fucking a high
> > school senior is fucking sad. Thank God you don't have kids. If that
> > was my daughter that fuck would be picking up his teeth at best, dead,
> > if he dared put up a fight.
>
> > Where there's smoke there's fire. And calling a high schooler a "slut"
> > doesn't make your boy any less creepy. Can't the creepy fuck find some
> > his own age?
>
> > Maybe an adult is smart enough to stay away from this douche.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> This whole issue aside - and I happen to mostly agree with you:
>
> What I find amusing is the utter lack of class and civility you often
> display in here as, well, a classless troll. Obviously it's nowhere
> near the same level, but you could learn a thing or two while you
> discuss ethics.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

+1

Drumrboy is one of the most classless trolls I've seen. No doubt a
Dolphin fan. If you check the Dolphin NG, it's apparent that they
don't think much of him there either.


== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 7:45 am
From: Michael


On Feb 11, 9:51 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 12:18 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <01001338-f2dd-4903-b2bc-1851d577c...@o10g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >  Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 8, 10:33 am, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 7, 9:04 am, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Basically it happened in NY so she is of legal age of consent, nothing
> > > > > illegal committed. Here is the article:
>
> > > > > fromwww.nydailynews.com-
>
> > > > > A sports blog taking aim at Mark Sanchez says there's nothing
> > > > > salacious about the photos taken by a 17-year-old girl who says she
> > > > > went home with the Jets quarterback.
>
> > > > > Deadspin.com says it is waiting until Tuesday to post pics that the
> > > > > girl took inside Sanchez's bedroom after they met on New Year's Eve.
>
> > > > > Blog editor A.J. Daulerio says the photos aren't graphic and there
> > > > > wouldn't be anything illegal about the hook-up because the teen was of
> > > > > legal age.
>
> > > > > The photos show an unmade bed that the she says is Sanchez's and a
> > > > > picture on the bedroom wall that depicts Sanchez and his nephew,
> > > > > Daulerio said Sunday.
>
> > > > > The high school senior who contacted the website, claims she slept
> > > > > with Sanchez, 24, at his home in the New York area.
>
> > > > > She later got cold feet about dishing on the hunky quarterback and
> > > > > hired a lawyer, who wrote Deadspin warning it not to publish the
> > > > > photos or any details of the alleged affair.
>
> > > > > "(The teen) has not engaged in any improper conduct," wrote lawyer
> > > > > Richard Kendall, who warned of further legal action.
>
> > > > > The site promptly posted Kendall's letter online, along with a promise
> > > > > to reveal more details tomorrow. The Jets refused comment on the story
> > > > > and Sanchez couldn't be reached.
>
> > > > > Deadspin is the same site that broke the story that Brett Favre texted
> > > > > photos of his private parts to Jets hostess Jenn Sterger. It also
> > > > > published foot fetish pictures that bore a striking resemblance to the
> > > > > wife of Jets Coach Rex Ryan.
>
> > > > A high school senior? Sorry, that's fucking creepy. He's 24 years old!
> > > > His parents must be so proud.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > She is of legal age of consent, that's all that matters. Her parents
> > > must also be proud to have a slut for a daughter. I would have said
> > > whore but whores get paid.
>
> > Ritchie, a 17 year old girl who wants to have sex with a celebrity who
> > is interested in her may be many things but one of them is not
> > necessarily a slut.
>
> > It is a different world out there and having a teenage daughter, I find
> > that characterization a reflection of a time that I for one am glad is
> > long gone.
>
> > h- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> But Harlan... for the record, this girl in particular may very well be
> a slut.  She has full nude pics on the internet.  (link was posted on
> a message board)  The kind that would bring any father to violence.

Nude photographs !?!?! Promiscuity !?!?!? That is outrageous !!!
Yes… Violence should be the prescribed reaction. Let us bring temple
law down on this harlot. Where are the stones ?!?!?!

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 11:37 am
From: Ritchie


On Feb 11, 10:45 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Nude photographs !?!?!  Promiscuity !?!?!? That is outrageous !!!
> Yes… Violence should be the prescribed reaction.  Let us bring temple
> law down on this harlot.  Where are the stones ?!?!?!-

I've got a lot of stones/rocks on a piece of property that I own, how
many would you like? :)


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 12:48 pm
From: eric


On Feb 8, 8:38 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Sanchez is not 65 years old.  Like it or not, there is not a huge
> maturaty gap between a 17-19 year old girl and a 24 year old man.

Uh yes there is a giant difference between 24 and 17. Seven years is a
large fraction of your lifetime at that age. Look at the words you
described the people with - man and girl.

At 17 I was a High School student just fooling around. By the time I
was 24 I had a Master's degree, a wife, and was working on a PhD.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 1:07 pm
From: Michael


On Feb 11, 3:48 pm, eric <warth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 8:38 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Sanchez is not 65 years old.  Like it or not, there is not a huge
> > maturaty gap between a 17-19 year old girl and a 24 year old man.
>
> Uh yes there is a giant difference between 24 and 17. Seven years is a
> large fraction of your lifetime at that age. Look at the words you
> described the people with - man and girl.
>
> At 17 I was a High School student just fooling around. By the time I
> was 24 I had a Master's degree, a wife, and was working on a PhD.

"I was " " I was" "I was"

Yeah... That's you.

The girl is legally an ADULT. There is a practical five year
difference between Sanchez and the girl. So what? May people are
mature sooner than others. Although you may not have figured out how
to take a pair of panties off of a girl until you had your Masters
degree, others are not that far behind the curve. We don't have
temple law here or sharia law. People died to make sure screw balls
could not foist there view of morality on to others. I do a lot of
freelance advertising work along with my regular day job. One of the
creative directors for an ad agency I do some work for has an 18 y/o
daughter. She is starting her first year at NYU. She is a model.
She show's herself off for money. Her father is far from violent
about it. He is very proud of her and respects her.


== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 3:11 pm
From: MuahMan


On Feb 9, 9:13 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 6:16 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 9, 1:18 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 9, 12:18 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <01001338-f2dd-4903-b2bc-1851d577c...@o10g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > >  Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 8, 10:33 am, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Feb 7, 9:04 am, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Basically it happened in NY so she is of legal age of consent, nothing
> > > > > > > illegal committed. Here is the article:
>
> > > > > > > fromwww.nydailynews.com-
>
> > > > > > > A sports blog taking aim at Mark Sanchez says there's nothing
> > > > > > > salacious about the photos taken by a 17-year-old girl who says she
> > > > > > > went home with the Jets quarterback.
>
> > > > > > > Deadspin.com says it is waiting until Tuesday to post pics that the
> > > > > > > girl took inside Sanchez's bedroom after they met on New Year's Eve.
>
> > > > > > > Blog editor A.J. Daulerio says the photos aren't graphic and there
> > > > > > > wouldn't be anything illegal about the hook-up because the teen was of
> > > > > > > legal age.
>
> > > > > > > The photos show an unmade bed that the she says is Sanchez's and a
> > > > > > > picture on the bedroom wall that depicts Sanchez and his nephew,
> > > > > > > Daulerio said Sunday.
>
> > > > > > > The high school senior who contacted the website, claims she slept
> > > > > > > with Sanchez, 24, at his home in the New York area.
>
> > > > > > > She later got cold feet about dishing on the hunky quarterback and
> > > > > > > hired a lawyer, who wrote Deadspin warning it not to publish the
> > > > > > > photos or any details of the alleged affair.
>
> > > > > > > "(The teen) has not engaged in any improper conduct," wrote lawyer
> > > > > > > Richard Kendall, who warned of further legal action.
>
> > > > > > > The site promptly posted Kendall's letter online, along with a promise
> > > > > > > to reveal more details tomorrow. The Jets refused comment on the story
> > > > > > > and Sanchez couldn't be reached.
>
> > > > > > > Deadspin is the same site that broke the story that Brett Favre texted
> > > > > > > photos of his private parts to Jets hostess Jenn Sterger. It also
> > > > > > > published foot fetish pictures that bore a striking resemblance to the
> > > > > > > wife of Jets Coach Rex Ryan.
>
> > > > > > A high school senior? Sorry, that's fucking creepy. He's 24 years old!
> > > > > > His parents must be so proud.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > She is of legal age of consent, that's all that matters. Her parents
> > > > > must also be proud to have a slut for a daughter. I would have said
> > > > > whore but whores get paid.
>
> > > > Ritchie, a 17 year old girl who wants to have sex with a celebrity who
> > > > is interested in her may be many things but one of them is not
> > > > necessarily a slut.
>
> > > > It is a different world out there and having a teenage daughter, I find
> > > > that characterization a reflection of a time that I for one am glad is
> > > > long gone.
>
> > > > h
>
> > > Not for me it isn't. To me she is a slut and her parents are failures
> > > in the role. My cousins daughter got pregnant at the age of 16 and to
> > > me that's what she is. I told them not to expect me to congratulate
> > > her or help her in any way. All she and her baby are now is another
> > > welfare slut and her tax payer supported rat. Parents always say kids
> > > make mistakes and my response to that is, OK but their mistakes
> > > shouldn't become a burden on others that had nothing to do with their
> > > mistake. Make the parents take responsibility for failure to properly
> > > raise their child and for their child's actions.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > why is the girl a slut ??? is any legal adult that has consentual sex
> > out of wedlock a slut ??? the only shame here is the disgusting
> > contemporary pop culure style in which peoples personal information is
> > offerd up to the public as entertinment.  the filth that makes money
> > or garners attention off that crap is the only slut here, IMHO. i'm a
> > bit of an off ball, though... i think breast augmentation is
> > mutaliation and it should be oulawed.  i think tabloid media of any
> > kind is putrid.  sitcoms make me sick to my stomach and so do about 99
> > % of all the prime time network dramas ever aired on tv.  especially
> > lawyer and cop shows- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I guess since I have stated that I am a retired police officer and now
> an attorney you decided to throw in that last line, real mature. I on
> the other hand love breast augmentation and paid for my wife's
> augmentation at the beginning of our relationship and the second one a
> couple of years ago. The only problem I have with it is when women go
> to far and get implants that belong on a woman that should be 7 feet
> tall and they are only 5' 2". I myself don't have much use for TV
> except to watch House MD, its IMHO a great show.

I bet you're a blast at parties.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 6:06 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes
> http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-union-cancel-contract-talks-02...
>
> Not a good sign...
>
> From what I can make out of all of this... It appears to me as if the
> union is intent on over playing their hand.

They get one chance to cut this deal. Upshaw's last deal was great
for the owner's initially but is revenue based so the growth in
revenue at the back end now looks better for some players. The owners
wanted a revenue based deal as they didn't want to open their books
and still don't.

Smith is under pressure to deliver. He also has to crank the pressure
up quickly as he has idiots like Cromartie that have no $. They have
painted the owners as the bad guys although when times are bad many
fans just see young athletes making millions.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 7:18 am
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<7390c803-06f2-4511-af89-1da5e46afe2c@u6g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
John C TX <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:

> X-No-Archive: Yes
> > http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-union-cancel-contract-talks-02...
> >
> > Not a good sign...
> >
> > From what I can make out of all of this... It appears to me as if the
> > union is intent on over playing their hand.
>
> They get one chance to cut this deal. Upshaw's last deal was great
> for the owner's initially but is revenue based so the growth in
> revenue at the back end now looks better for some players. The owners
> wanted a revenue based deal as they didn't want to open their books
> and still don't.
>
> Smith is under pressure to deliver. He also has to crank the pressure
> up quickly as he has idiots like Cromartie that have no $. They have
> painted the owners as the bad guys although when times are bad many
> fans just see young athletes making millions.

John, the owners do not need to be "painted" as bad guys.

They cannot agree among themselves to revenue sharing so we end up with
franchises like the Jills where a refusal to spend money does not
coincide with the revenue sharing they get from the high income clubs.

And, the owners insistence on taking more than 10% off the top and then,
if rumors be true, another more than 10% ($2 billion) before revenue
sharing is piggish.

More importantly, IMHO, are the refusals to consider a phase-in change
to avoid penalizing teams who played fairly and spent up to the cap in
previous years (whose salary structure and personnel would not fair well
with an 18%-22% cap reduction), shared control of money taken off the
top (why shouldn't the players have a voice at the table as to where
these dollars to help the game are spent), combined with the piggishness
of the 18 game schedule.

These guys are crying wolf (not showing their books or considering the
capital appreciation of their investments as part of their enhanced
value), insisting on increasing their revenue, limiting the monies
available for players' salaries and benefits.

Who needs a paint brush for that.

If the courts or arbiters do not stop their plans (e.g., there is no way
tagging should be allowed before a new CBA establishes there will be
tags and the fact that in an uncapped year not one single team tried to
buy a championship with massive one year deals to players stinks of
obvious collusion), I fear we may see the NHLization of the sport some
of us have grown to love.

H

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 6:44 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

To those of you that want anyone but Schott cheer up.

Schott's contract is up. There looks like a lockout and Schott is
making $2MM so if there is a philosophical problem then I am sure that
Woody would like to keep some of that $2MM-- he would have to get a OL
coach.

I have been criticized for thinking money drives decisions on too
many occasions but if there is a problem this could make sense.

http://tinyurl.com/65ah639

For the second time in less than three weeks, the Jets denied a team
permission to interview one of their assistant coaches. Gang Green
didn't allow the Titans permission to interview assistant head coach/
offensive line coach Bill Callahan for their vacant offensive
coordinator job, according to ESPN.

New Titans coach Mike Munchak had Callahan on his short list to
replace the recently fired Mike Heimerdinger. The Jets earlier denied
the Raiders permission to interview defensive backs coach Dennis
Thurman for its defensive coordinator job.

Callahan, who is under contract, has helped build one of the best
offensive lines in the league in three seasons with the Jets. Gang
Green rushed for a NFL-leading and franchise-record 2,756 yards in
2009. The Jets finished fourth in rushing this season.

Callahan, who coached the Raiders from 2002-2003, led Oakland to Super
Bowl XXXVII, which it lost to the Bucs.

HIP TO IT: Right guard Brandon Moore underwent successful hip surgery,
according to a source. Moore said last month that he put off the
surgery for a couple years. He will be ready for training camp,
assuming the new collective bargaining agreement is reached.

Read more:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2011/02/11/2011-02-11_jets_deny_titans_permission_to_interview_bill_callahan_for_tennessee_offensive_c.html#ixzz1Df3eumvk


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 7:51 am
From: Michael


On Feb 11, 9:44 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> To those of you that want anyone but Schott cheer up.
>
> Schott's contract is up.  There looks like a lockout and Schott is
> making $2MM so if there is a philosophical problem then I am sure that
> Woody would like to keep some of that $2MM-- he would have to get a OL
> coach.
>
>  I have been criticized for thinking money drives decisions on too
> many occasions but if there is a problem this could make sense.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/65ah639
>
> For the second time in less than three weeks, the Jets denied a team
> permission to interview one of their assistant coaches. Gang Green
> didn't allow the Titans permission to interview assistant head coach/
> offensive line coach Bill Callahan for their vacant offensive
> coordinator job, according to ESPN.
>
> New Titans coach Mike Munchak had Callahan on his short list to
> replace the recently fired Mike Heimerdinger. The Jets earlier denied
> the Raiders permission to interview defensive backs coach Dennis
> Thurman for its defensive coordinator job.
>
> Callahan, who is under contract, has helped build one of the best
> offensive lines in the league in three seasons with the Jets. Gang
> Green rushed for a NFL-leading and franchise-record 2,756 yards in
> 2009. The Jets finished fourth in rushing this season.
>
> Callahan, who coached the Raiders from 2002-2003, led Oakland to Super
> Bowl XXXVII, which it lost to the Bucs.
>
> HIP TO IT: Right guard Brandon Moore underwent successful hip surgery,
> according to a source. Moore said last month that he put off the
> surgery for a couple years. He will be ready for training camp,
> assuming the new collective bargaining agreement is reached.
>
> Read more:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2011/02/11/2011-02-11...

imho, woody is the one that is benind shotty... money is not woody's
motive in this case. woody thinks schotty is a football brain trust.
there is no "phylosophical" problem between woody and schotty. woody
is hoodwinked. no problem


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 8:40 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> imho, woody is the one that is benind shotty... money is not woody's
> motive in this case.  woody thinks schotty is a football brain trust.
> there is no "phylosophical" problem between woody and schotty.  woody
> is hoodwinked.  no problem

How would you know that Woody loves Schott? Did he appear to make any
football decsions during Hard Knocks?

The philosophical issues is on the offense and I was implying it is
between Schott & Ryan as Callahan was supposedly a West Coast Offense
guy.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 10:01 am
From: Michael


On Feb 11, 11:40 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > imho, woody is the one that is benind shotty... money is not woody's
> > motive in this case.  woody thinks schotty is a football brain trust.
> > there is no "phylosophical" problem between woody and schotty.  woody
> > is hoodwinked.  no problem
>
> How would you know that Woody loves Schott?  Did he appear to make any
> football decsions during Hard Knocks?
>
> The philosophical issues is on the offense and I was implying it is
> between Schott & Ryan as Callahan was supposedly a West Coast Offense
> guy.

nothing i could take into court, but given all the bits and pieces of
the shotty drama, what makes most sense is that woody is enamored with
shotty.

1. it appears to me as if sanchez has on field issues with schotty

2.it appears to me as if shotty was marginalized after the miami
game... players were crediting cav and callanhan for play calling and
game play. the offense also changes quite a bit, with more set
passing plays, less line shifts, and more qb motion. woody would not
be the driving force behind that. it would be rex, sanches and some
of the assistants

3. when rex talks about shotty, my instincts tell me that it is bull
shit political lip servies.

4. mangold wanted the ability to change plays at the line. he was
denied by shotty. i heard the interview with him. mangold sounded
pissed off and frustrated.

5. Santonio Holmes boil over: "Ash Shottenheimer"

It appreas to me that everyone wants a rope around Schott's neck, but
yet they are gouing to retain him. Now where would that be coming
from ???


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 10:40 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> > > imho, woody is the one that is benind shotty... money is not woody's
> > > motive in this case.  woody thinks schotty is a football brain trust.
> > > there is no "phylosophical" problem between woody and schotty.  woody
> > > is hoodwinked.  no problem
>
> > How would you know that Woody loves Schott?  Did he appear to make any
> > football decsions during Hard Knocks?
>
> > The philosophical issues is on the offense and I was implying it is
> > between Schott & Ryan as Callahan was supposedly a West Coast Offense
> > guy.
>
> nothing i could take into court, but given all the bits and pieces of
> the shotty drama, what makes most sense is that woody is enamored with
> shotty.
>
> 1. it appears to me as if sanchez has on field issues with schotty
> 2.it appears to me as if shotty was marginalized after the miami
> game... players were crediting cav and callanhan for play calling and
> game play.  the offense also changes quite a bit, with more set
> passing plays, less line shifts, and more qb motion. woody would not
> be the driving force behind that.  it would be rex, sanches and some
> of the assistants
>
> 3. when rex talks about shotty, my instincts tell me that it is bull
> shit political lip servies.
>
> 4. mangold wanted the ability to change plays at the line.  he was
> denied by shotty. i heard the interview with him.  mangold sounded
> pissed off and frustrated.
>
> 5. Santonio Holmes boil over: "Ash Shottenheimer"
>
> It appreas to me that everyone wants a rope around Schott's neck, but
> yet they are gouing to retain him.  Now where would that be coming
> from ???

I think you are reaching. Most of what you mention is your gut
feeling as is mine but mine is due to the changes made in the offense
since Ryan arrived & what he said. You arguments are fraught with
fallacies and none of them answer why you think he is Woody's guy but
all about you defending your thoughts on Schott;s talents. You don;t
know he is Woody's guy. I think Schott may be gone because of $ &
Schott's contract is up.

Mangold wanted to change the line calls & Schott said no, so?

On Callahan &some players complimenting him I disagree. It is a good
example of grabbing a compliment of one coach & using it to slam
another.

Holmes was referring to not playing in the first series. He then went
on to say they got away from the game plan referring to the fact they
fell behind and had "do what we do to survive." Some writer & editor
created a headline & then tried to make the story support the
headline. Here you go:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2011/01/24/2011-01-24_santonio_holmes_questions_brian_schottenheimers_playcalling_in_jets_2419_loss_to.html

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 9:32 am
From: Deebika m


http://123maza.com/75/clean279/

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 12:53 pm
From: eric


On Feb 8, 9:49 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > >Those draft picks aren't going to make much difference right away
> > > >(rookies)
>
> > Hard to say.  They had three rookies make significant impacts this
> > year (McCourty, Gronkowski, and Hernandez) and only one was a first
> > rounder.  This year they have three picks in the top 33.
>
> You are forgetting Spikes who could be a player but the failed drug
> test is always scary.  Is it him or is it steroids.
>
> Mark, if you find players like you did in 2010 it is big. I am hoping
> you have a repeat of 2009.

His test failure wasn't for steroids. It was for a stimulant.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 11 2011 3:26 pm
From: number6


On Feb 11, 3:53 pm, eric <warth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> His test failure wasn't for steroids. It was for a stimulant.

Isn't that what Sanchez is getting bad press for ??


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