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Precious blood going down the drain at GMCH
Arun Sharma
Tribune News Service

Chandigarh, March 7
Blood donors are in for a shock. Hundreds of units of precious blood
donated by volunteers is being wasted at the Government Medical College
and Hospital (GMCH), Sector 32, every year just due to lack of proper
storage and handling facilities at the hospital.

In the past five years, the negligence on the part of the hospital
authorities in ensuring the cold chain during shifting of blood units
has, so far, resulted in a 68 times increase in the wastage of blood
units.

One of the major reasons for the blood wastage has been the total
carelessness on the part of the hospital authorities in maintaining the
temperature of blood units during its shifting from the blood bank to
the recipient department or on receiving it back at the blood bank
owing to its non-utilisation.

On the other hand, the discarding of blood units on account of other
factors like non-utilisation, non-compliance with quality standards and
defect on storage bags has also put the total discarding of blood as
high as 8 per cent.

Though the authorities at the GMCH have denied the fact, information
obtained under the Right to Information (RTI) Act about the discarding
of blood at the three main government hospitals, the PGI, he GMCH and
the Government Multi-Specialty Hospital (GMSH), Sector 16, reveals that
at the PGI, the discarding of blood has remained below 2 per cent
during past five years.

A perusal of the inspection report submitted by the Chandigarh Drug
Control Officer, licensing authority for blood bank, has confirmed that
the two main refrigerators, meant to store blood, have remained non-
functional at the GMCH.

This factor seems to have contributed the major chunk of wastage. The
information gathered by RTI activist RK Garg has revealed that while
only three units of blood were wasted due to interruption in the cold
chain at the GMCH in 2005, this figure jumped to 203 in 2010.

The other main reason behind the increase in wastage of blood is found
to be the defect in bags meant for storage of blood. Though not a
single unit of blood was wasted due to this reason in 2005, next year,
seven units were discarded due to defects in bags or their rupture
during storage and processing.

This figure increased eight times during the past four years,
registering a wastage of 54 units of blood past year due to this reason
alone. In fact, there was a gradual increase in the discarding of blood
at the GMCH since 2007 due to various reasons cited above.

In 2007, only 515 units of blood were discarded, this figure increased
to 751 the very next year. In 2009, a total of 898 units of blood were
discarded. Past year, the discarding was registered as high as 1,124
against the collection of 13,740 units of blood through voluntary
donation and replacement at the hospital. Interestingly, at the PGI,
the average discarding of blood remained at a level of as low as 1.64
per cent during these four years. At the PGI, against a collection of
41,196 units of blood, only 595 were discarded, which turns out to be
merely 1.4 per cent of the units collected.

Even at the GMSH, another hospital being run by the Chandigarh
administration, a mere 99 units of blood were discarded against the
collection of 5615 units past year.

Denial by hospital

Dr Sabita Basu, head of the department of transfusion medicine at the
GMCH, denied wastage of blood, saying there was no non-functional
refrigerator. There was an error in the report submitted to the Drug
Control Officer, she said. When blood was issued from the blood bank,
some quantity remained unused many times and brought back to the blood
bank, leading to the interruption in the cold chain, she elaborated.
Keeping the safety of patients a priority, this blood could not be used
again and reckoned as discarded, she explained. On the issue of defects
in bags for containing blood, Dr Basu said the bags were being supplied
by the National AIDS Control Organisation and she had written about
this to the authorities concerned.

Wastage rages on

Blood discarding at GMCH recorded at over 8 per cent. At the PGI and
the GMSH, this figure as low as 1.5 per cent
From three units of wastage due to interruption in cold chain in 2005,
the figure touched 203 in 2010
Wastage due to bag defects goes up to 54 past year while it was nil in
2005
Observations of Drug Control Officer
Two deep freezers meant for storing blood lying non-functional
All registers to keep record not being maintained as per guidelines
No uniformity in information provided

Interestingly, the GMCH provided four sets of information to Garg,
carrying different figures against the same application filed under the
RTI Act. In the information supplied on December 29, 2010, the number
of blood units discarded during the past five years was mentioned as
5,052. Later, it furnished a corrected statement on February 8, 2011,
with a figure of 4,784 units. Again, on February 10, the hospital
authorities claimed that the discarding during the same period was as
low as 1,799 units. Two weeks later, the authorities came out with the
earlier figure of 4,784 units. The wastage of three units per day in
2010 is a matter of concern for all voluntary donors. The changing
statement of the GMCH authorities shows that the handling and keeping
record of blood units are not being done properly, says Garg.




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Sesa Goa wins Bellary Steel & Alloys; JSW Steel down [1 Update]
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Legislation to Block EPA Climate Rules Passes Subcommittee Vote [1 Update]
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Wisconsin Lawmakers Receiving Death Threats [1 Update]
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Judicial activism returns [1 Update]
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Topic: Chief Justice of India SH Kapadia asks judges to adopt ways to enhance social welfare - India



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Topic: SC: Don't summon govt officials 'unnecessarily'



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Topic: Wise Dalai Lama tests both India, China



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Topic: Invitation to join Secure IT 2011- India's Largest Convention on Public Safety Security & Disaster Management on 20th April 2011



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Topic: HIV ATLAS Daily Digest - March 8th, 2011



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Topic: Sesa Goa wins Bellary Steel & Alloys; JSW Steel down



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Topic: Centre seeks time to represent in Goa''s drug nexus case,



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Topic: 'Leash has no legal hold to rein in CCP councillors'



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Topic: Legislation to Block EPA Climate Rules Passes Subcommittee Vote



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Topic: ET Interviews, Columnists, Writers, Debates, Opinion Polls | Opinion



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Topic: 5 Ways DHS Violates the Constitution with Website Domain Seizures | COTO Report



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Topic: Wisconsin Lawmakers Receiving Death Threats



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Topic: Violence in Zimbabwe | HIV in Mississippi



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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 5:30 am
From: John C TX


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> > >> How tough would it be to have a plan in place, and this is not a
> > >> Schott boost, and have the head coach say, "run it", "pss it", etc.
>
> > >> Well...in one sound bite we did see Schott asking Rex what to do...the
> > >> critical play that beat the Colts.
>
> > > I guess that is a good sign but I think you missed my point. If you
> > > look I wrote it had nothing to do with Schott.
>
> > > At the end of Pardee's run in Houston the owner read in the paper
> > > where someone wrote that Pardee doesn't where a head set. They also
> > > made Gilbride pick up a TE. So all of a sudden Pardee is wearing a
> > > headset and you knew he had lost the team. By then they also sucked
> > > because Moon & other stars were let go.
>
> > > I was referring to not having control.
>
> > I know what you meant....
> & ignored it
> >and what did I reply? He obviously has some
> > control if in a critical situation the OC has to ask him what to do....and
> > then the HC agrees with the QB. Well, maybe he doesn't know what he's
> > doing
> > either...he let the QB run the show...but it worked.
>
> You have beat that dead horse into the ground. I know you hate
> Schott.
>
> I happen to think the problem is a green QB and a head coach that
> wants to run the ball resulting in problems.  Rex needs to get someone
> that will give him what he wants.  Schott was his choice.
>
> NO...quite honestly, you are the one perseverating on the OC.  I made a
> statement of fact based on what we were able to see and hear.  Schott
> deferred to Rex in a critical situation...he asked him what HE wanted to
> run.  Then Rex answered and looked at Sanchez and said "Run that."....so,
> all I know is Schott deferred to Rex and Rex went along with the QB...but
> the fact of the matter is still it was Rex's call...honestly, I don't give a
> damn who the OC is...Rex is the HC and he should be responsible for the
> entire team.  If Rex can get the offense to be more efficient and play
> consistently like they seem to be able to play in spurts and in a crisis,
> that would be great.

So by saying this has nothing to do with Schott I brought it up? My
point was about coaching not about his abilities or lack thereof.

Your observation would be anecdotal evidence.

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== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 5:38 am
From: John C TX


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> > > >> How tough would it be to have a plan in place, and this is not a
> > > >> Schott boost, and have the head coach say, "run it", "pss it", etc.
>
> > > >> Well...in one sound bite we did see Schott asking Rex what to do...the
> > > >> critical play that beat the Colts.
>
> > > > I guess that is a good sign but I think you missed my point. If you
> > > > look I wrote it had nothing to do with Schott.
>
> > > > At the end of Pardee's run in Houston the owner read in the paper
> > > > where someone wrote that Pardee doesn't where a head set. They also
> > > > made Gilbride pick up a TE. So all of a sudden Pardee is wearing a
> > > > headset and you knew he had lost the team. By then they also sucked
> > > > because Moon & other stars were let go.
>
> > > > I was referring to not having control.
>
> > > I know what you meant....
> > & ignored it
> > >and what did I reply? He obviously has some
> > > control if in a critical situation the OC has to ask him what to do....and
> > > then the HC agrees with the QB. Well, maybe he doesn't know what he's doing
> > > either...he let the QB run the show...but it worked.
>
> > You have beat that dead horse into the ground. I know you hate
> > Schott.
>
> > I happen to think the problem is a green QB and a head coach that
> > wants to run the ball resulting in problems.  Rex needs to get someone
> > that will give him what he wants.  Schott was his choice.
>
> John, I think you are unfair. I am the one who hates the OC. Papa just
> raises occasional questions from time to time.


harlan you have some company. When I write "hate" I mean you guys
thinks he sucks.

If you mean 1/5 -10 posts as opposed to 2/3? Then yes that would be
the occasional question.

As I have written before at least PC brings specifics.
>
> You are correct that we cannot know what is Rex and what is Shott. I am
> correct that until Shott is replaced, we will never get better,
> regardless if the problem is Shott or Rex' interference.

I am not 100% sure what the problem is but I do believe a green QB has
been a big part of it. His accuracy also holds the offense back.

> Until his
> replacement, we will not know the cause. If it is Rex, with a
> replacement, the cover will be off and pressure can be placed where it
> belongs. However, I think with at least an adequate replacement, we
> would find the problem solved.
>
> harlan

Like I have written 100 times we don't know & it may be Schottenheimer
but to ignore bad QBing, dropped passes, etc. on Schott is unfair.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 5:46 am
From: John C TX


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> > All I know, when I coach any sport, I look much better as a coach,
> > when I have players with good decision making skills. Sanchez is great
> > athlete but he at times he is an idiot.
>
> > Any more of an idiot than Brett? Or any number of top Hall of Fame QB's?
>
> Fair enough & I always have said he is very young & very
> inexperienced.  That after two years he already has 6 play off games
> under his belt is very advantageous.
>
> Yeah...I wonder how many other QB's had six playoff games by year two, and
> with only a little bit of college ball?  Doesn't it sort of make you wonder
> how good he might be if coached the right way and in the right situation?
> I'm not suggesting he is not being coached the right way, I'm wondering just
> how far he can go if he gets all the tools he needs.

A guy that Rich Gannon really liked as a QB coach was Hackett.
:)

Maybe the combo of Schott, Cavanaugh, & Brunell are helping. I hope
for Sanchez' sake (&ours) that we can keep Edwards & Holmes. Changing
WRs every year can't help. I am glad that we have Callahan another
year.

Papa, I still won't be shocked if Schott doesn't come back. $2MM is a
big bucket of dough.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 2:25 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:83a51f86-b6a1-4449-914a-c54ba3db84a2@r17g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
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>
>
>
>
> > >> How tough would it be to have a plan in place, and this is not a
> > >> Schott boost, and have the head coach say, "run it", "pss it", etc.
>
> > >> Well...in one sound bite we did see Schott asking Rex what to
> > >> do...the
> > >> critical play that beat the Colts.
>
> > > I guess that is a good sign but I think you missed my point. If you
> > > look I wrote it had nothing to do with Schott.
>
> > > At the end of Pardee's run in Houston the owner read in the paper
> > > where someone wrote that Pardee doesn't where a head set. They also
> > > made Gilbride pick up a TE. So all of a sudden Pardee is wearing a
> > > headset and you knew he had lost the team. By then they also sucked
> > > because Moon & other stars were let go.
>
> > > I was referring to not having control.
>
> > I know what you meant....
> & ignored it
> >and what did I reply? He obviously has some
> > control if in a critical situation the OC has to ask him what to
> > do....and
> > then the HC agrees with the QB. Well, maybe he doesn't know what he's
> > doing
> > either...he let the QB run the show...but it worked.
>
> You have beat that dead horse into the ground. I know you hate
> Schott.
>
> I happen to think the problem is a green QB and a head coach that
> wants to run the ball resulting in problems. Rex needs to get someone
> that will give him what he wants. Schott was his choice.
>
> NO...quite honestly, you are the one perseverating on the OC. I made a
> statement of fact based on what we were able to see and hear. Schott
> deferred to Rex in a critical situation...he asked him what HE wanted to
> run. Then Rex answered and looked at Sanchez and said "Run that."....so,
> all I know is Schott deferred to Rex and Rex went along with the QB...but
> the fact of the matter is still it was Rex's call...honestly, I don't give
> a
> damn who the OC is...Rex is the HC and he should be responsible for the
> entire team. If Rex can get the offense to be more efficient and play
> consistently like they seem to be able to play in spurts and in a crisis,
> that would be great.

So by saying this has nothing to do with Schott I brought it up? My
point was about coaching not about his abilities or lack thereof.

Your observation would be anecdotal evidence.

And from where we both sit...what other kind of evidence is there? Until
they let me come sit in thier meetings and go to practice it is all
assumptions and anecdotal evidence. From everything I was ever taught, came
to understand, saw on successful teams that won Championships and Super
Bowls....the offense does not appear, TO ME, as being a cohesive and smooth
operation. I don't see a scheme or plan to it. I have NO idea who is
really at fault for that, but I do think it loses them games, especially
critical games to take it to the next level and I know who they list as the
OC...so I make an assumption. If it is not that guy and really Rex who is
in total control of the offense then things don't look so good for the
future I guess.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 2:31 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > > >> How tough would it be to have a plan in place, and this is not a
> > > >> Schott boost, and have the head coach say, "run it", "pss it", etc.
>
> > > >> Well...in one sound bite we did see Schott asking Rex what to
> > > >> do...the
> > > >> critical play that beat the Colts.
>
> > > > I guess that is a good sign but I think you missed my point. If you
> > > > look I wrote it had nothing to do with Schott.
>
> > > > At the end of Pardee's run in Houston the owner read in the paper
> > > > where someone wrote that Pardee doesn't where a head set. They also
> > > > made Gilbride pick up a TE. So all of a sudden Pardee is wearing a
> > > > headset and you knew he had lost the team. By then they also sucked
> > > > because Moon & other stars were let go.
>
> > > > I was referring to not having control.
>
> > > I know what you meant....
> > & ignored it
> > >and what did I reply? He obviously has some
> > > control if in a critical situation the OC has to ask him what to
> > > do....and
> > > then the HC agrees with the QB. Well, maybe he doesn't know what he's
> > > doing
> > > either...he let the QB run the show...but it worked.
>
> > You have beat that dead horse into the ground. I know you hate
> > Schott.
>
> > I happen to think the problem is a green QB and a head coach that
> > wants to run the ball resulting in problems. Rex needs to get someone
> > that will give him what he wants. Schott was his choice.
>
> John, I think you are unfair. I am the one who hates the OC. Papa just
> raises occasional questions from time to time.


harlan you have some company. When I write "hate" I mean you guys
thinks he sucks.

If you mean 1/5 -10 posts as opposed to 2/3? Then yes that would be
the occasional question.

As I have written before at least PC brings specifics.
>
> You are correct that we cannot know what is Rex and what is Shott. I am
> correct that until Shott is replaced, we will never get better,
> regardless if the problem is Shott or Rex' interference.

I am not 100% sure what the problem is but I do believe a green QB has
been a big part of it. His accuracy also holds the offense back.

> Until his
> replacement, we will not know the cause. If it is Rex, with a
> replacement, the cover will be off and pressure can be placed where it
> belongs. However, I think with at least an adequate replacement, we
> would find the problem solved.
>
> harlan

Like I have written 100 times we don't know & it may be Schottenheimer
but to ignore bad QBing, dropped passes, etc. on Schott is unfair.

So...lets' not blame the QB for the dropped passes :-) Some here do....and
that would be the "Sanchez haters" who tend to appear to be the same people
who "love Schott" or at least want to give him a pass for a few more years.
Hell, at the high school level in many, many places if the coach doesn't
produce he's out...and I know for sure (I've seen it) if a position coach or
coordinator does not produce in certain programs they are gone too. So,
whoever runs the Jets offense has had a variety of QB's, a wide variety of
OL, WR's and so on...and it never seems to come together. What am I saying?
I think there are guys out there who could have made the group they had this
past season work...and make Sanchez perform well in a system that works for
him.

BTW...just got a text alert...the talks broke off...and the union is
attempting to dissolve itself.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 3:05 pm
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

>
>
>
>
> > > >> How tough would it be to have a plan in place, and this is not a
> > > >> Schott boost, and have the head coach say, "run it", "pss it", etc.
>
> > > >> Well...in one sound bite we did see Schott asking Rex what to
> > > >> do...the
> > > >> critical play that beat the Colts.
>
> > > > I guess that is a good sign but I think you missed my point. If you
> > > > look I wrote it had nothing to do with Schott.
>
> > > > At the end of Pardee's run in Houston the owner read in the paper
> > > > where someone wrote that Pardee doesn't where a head set. They also
> > > > made Gilbride pick up a TE. So all of a sudden Pardee is wearing a
> > > > headset and you knew he had lost the team. By then they also sucked
> > > > because Moon & other stars were let go.
>
> > > > I was referring to not having control.
>
> > > I know what you meant....
> > & ignored it
> > >and what did I reply? He obviously has some
> > > control if in a critical situation the OC has to ask him what to
> > > do....and
> > > then the HC agrees with the QB. Well, maybe he doesn't know what he's
> > > doing
> > > either...he let the QB run the show...but it worked.
>
> > You have beat that dead horse into the ground. I know you hate
> > Schott.
>
> > I happen to think the problem is a green QB and a head coach that
> > wants to run the ball resulting in problems. Rex needs to get someone
> > that will give him what he wants. Schott was his choice.
>
> > NO...quite honestly, you are the one perseverating on the OC. I made a
> > statement of fact based on what we were able to see and hear. Schott
> > deferred to Rex in a critical situation...he asked him what HE wanted to
> > run. Then Rex answered and looked at Sanchez and said "Run that."....so,
> > all I know is Schott deferred to Rex and Rex went along with the QB...but
> > the fact of the matter is still it was Rex's call...honestly, I don't give
> > a
> > damn who the OC is...Rex is the HC and he should be responsible for the
> > entire team. If Rex can get the offense to be more efficient and play
> > consistently like they seem to be able to play in spurts and in a crisis,
> > that would be great.
>
> So by saying this has nothing to do with Schott I brought it up? My
> point was about coaching not about his abilities or lack thereof.
>
> Your observation would be anecdotal evidence.
>
> And from where we both sit...what other kind of evidence is there?  Until
> they let me come sit in thier meetings and go to practice it is all
> assumptions and anecdotal evidence.  From everything I was ever taught, came
> to understand, saw on successful teams that won Championships and Super
> Bowls....the offense does not appear, TO ME, as being a cohesive and smooth
> operation.  I don't see a scheme or plan to it.  I have NO idea who is
> really at fault for that, but I do think it loses them games, especially
> critical games to take it to the next level and I know who they list as the
> OC...so I make an assumption.  If it is not that guy and really Rex who is
> in total control of the offense then things don't look so good for the
> future I guess.
Thanks I love reading posts about football, especially yours, but I
hate "beer talk"

I would agree there is something rough. If they get everyone back & it
isn't smooth I am with you 100%. 3rd years with a good line, good
backs, & it shoudl be smooth.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 3:22 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> > > >> How tough would it be to have a plan in place, and this is not a
> > > >> Schott boost, and have the head coach say, "run it", "pss it", etc.
>
> > > >> Well...in one sound bite we did see Schott asking Rex what to
> > > >> do...the
> > > >> critical play that beat the Colts.
>
> > > > I guess that is a good sign but I think you missed my point. If you
> > > > look I wrote it had nothing to do with Schott.
>
> > > > At the end of Pardee's run in Houston the owner read in the paper
> > > > where someone wrote that Pardee doesn't where a head set. They also
> > > > made Gilbride pick up a TE. So all of a sudden Pardee is wearing a
> > > > headset and you knew he had lost the team. By then they also sucked
> > > > because Moon & other stars were let go.
>
> > > > I was referring to not having control.
>
> > > I know what you meant....
> > & ignored it
> > >and what did I reply? He obviously has some
> > > control if in a critical situation the OC has to ask him what to
> > > do....and
> > > then the HC agrees with the QB. Well, maybe he doesn't know what he's
> > > doing
> > > either...he let the QB run the show...but it worked.
>
> > You have beat that dead horse into the ground. I know you hate
> > Schott.
>
> > I happen to think the problem is a green QB and a head coach that
> > wants to run the ball resulting in problems. Rex needs to get someone
> > that will give him what he wants. Schott was his choice.
>
> > NO...quite honestly, you are the one perseverating on the OC. I made a
> > statement of fact based on what we were able to see and hear. Schott
> > deferred to Rex in a critical situation...he asked him what HE wanted to
> > run. Then Rex answered and looked at Sanchez and said "Run that."....so,
> > all I know is Schott deferred to Rex and Rex went along with the
> > QB...but
> > the fact of the matter is still it was Rex's call...honestly, I don't
> > give
> > a
> > damn who the OC is...Rex is the HC and he should be responsible for the
> > entire team. If Rex can get the offense to be more efficient and play
> > consistently like they seem to be able to play in spurts and in a
> > crisis,
> > that would be great.
>
> So by saying this has nothing to do with Schott I brought it up? My
> point was about coaching not about his abilities or lack thereof.
>
> Your observation would be anecdotal evidence.
>
> And from where we both sit...what other kind of evidence is there? Until
> they let me come sit in thier meetings and go to practice it is all
> assumptions and anecdotal evidence. From everything I was ever taught,
> came
> to understand, saw on successful teams that won Championships and Super
> Bowls....the offense does not appear, TO ME, as being a cohesive and
> smooth
> operation. I don't see a scheme or plan to it. I have NO idea who is
> really at fault for that, but I do think it loses them games, especially
> critical games to take it to the next level and I know who they list as
> the
> OC...so I make an assumption. If it is not that guy and really Rex who is
> in total control of the offense then things don't look so good for the
> future I guess.
Thanks I love reading posts about football, especially yours, but I
hate "beer talk"

(Well, I don't drink beer, or wine or anything else with alcohol in it...so
put up with some Strong Coffee, Espresso, Coke and Green Tea talk)

I would agree there is something rough. If they get everyone back & it
isn't smooth I am with you 100%. 3rd years with a good line, good
backs, & it shoudl be smooth.

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TOPIC: Ducasse
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/901e7a3932655810?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 5:39 am
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<314693d7-7064-442d-a4b1-ca5f5f6f58d2@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Mar 10, 2:41�pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <9e06b3f8-7d4e-411c-b461-76dd1bad8...@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > �Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > On Mar 10, 12:27 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 10, 10:18 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Mar 10, 10:03 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > X-No-Archive: Yes
> >
> > > > > > > > I wrote before that the 2010 could be a good one. It also could
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > horrible. It is always great to see a guy from a lower division
> > > > > > > > program make it.
> >
> > > > > > > >http://blog.nj.com/jets_impact/print.html?entry=/2011/03/jets_vla
> > > > > > > >d_du
> > > > > > > >...
> >
> > > > > > > > Jets' Vlad Ducasse spent rookie season learning many positions,
> > > > > > > > including right tackle
> >
> > > > > > > > Published: Tuesday, March 08, 2011, 3:45 PM Updated: Tuesday,
> > > > > > > > March 08, 2011, 4:35 PM
> > > > > > > > Jenny Vrentas/The Star-Ledger By Jenny Vrentas/The Star-Ledger
> >
> > > > > > > > At last month's NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, Jets
> > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > manager Mike Tannenbaum said trying Vlad Ducasse at right
> > > > > > > > tackle
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > "something we've talked about."
> >
> > > > > > > > The second-year offensive lineman said he hasn't had that
> > > > > > > > explicit
> > > > > > > > conversation with the team -- but that he spent his rookie
> > > > > > > > season
> > > > > > > > mastering both tackle and both guard positions, so he could
> > > > > > > > step in
> > > > > > > > wherever the team needs him.
> >
> > > > > > > > "That was the whole point of learning all those positions, so I
> > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > be ready to go out anywhere," Ducasse said today at TEST Sports
> > > > > > > > Clubs
> > > > > > > > in Martinsville, where he is set up to train in the event of a
> > > > > > > > lockout.
> >
> > > > > > > > Trying Ducasse at right tackle could make sense, particularly
> > > > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > the Jets cut 33-year-old Damien Woody last week. Wayne Hunter,
> > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > stepped in as the starter when Woody was injured late in the
> > > > > > > > season
> > > > > > > > and played well, is due to become a free agent.
> >
> > > > > > > > Ducasse, the Jets' 2010 second-round pick, was active for only
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > handful of games last season and saw limited time after Matt
> > > > > > > > Slauson
> > > > > > > > beat him out for the starting left guard job in training camp.
> > > > > > > > Ducasse
> > > > > > > > played at right guard in the season finale against the Bills,
> > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Jets had already locked up a postseason bid and subbed in many
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > their back-up players.
> >
> > > > > > > > He said he took reps in practice at four positions -- right
> > > > > > > > guard,
> > > > > > > > left guard, right tackle and left tackle -- to be a versatile
> > > > > > > > back-up
> > > > > > > > in case any of the starters went down and also to give
> > > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > to the Jets' first-team defense.
> >
> > > > > > > > "Last year, you just had that feeling that you ve got to be
> > > > > > > > ready,"
> > > > > > > > Ducasse said. "If they said, 'We need you on the left'; I was
> > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > they said, 'We need you on the right.' Every practice I was
> > > > > > > > getting
> > > > > > > > reps at tackle and guard."
> >
> > > > > > > > Ducasse said his major hang-up as a rookie was learning the
> > > > > > > > Jets'
> > > > > > > > playbook, a complicated task under renowned offensive line
> > > > > > > > coach
> > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > > Callahan. He admitted he struggled at times to apply what he
> > > > > > > > learned
> > > > > > > > in the classroom to the practice field.
> >
> > > > > > > > Once he lost out in the battle for left guard, Ducasse took
> > > > > > > > time to
> > > > > > > > slow down and go back over his mistakes. Callahan was a willing
> > > > > > > > teacher, Ducasse said, staying late with him after meetings or
> > > > > > > > watching extra film with him early in the morning.
> >
> > > > > > > > "It s different now," Ducasse said. "As a rookie, it's just
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > everything comes down on you, that s the hardest part. I pretty
> > > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > took a year off, but I was still learning all the other
> > > > > > > > positions.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > don t know how to explain it, but I feel comfortable now."
> >
> > > > > > > > His focus now is staying in shape and maintaining the weight he
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > all through his rookie season, 330 pounds.
> >
> > > > > > > > Ducasse, a three-year starter at left tackle at UMass, is
> > > > > > > > perhaps a
> > > > > > > > best fit at the tackle position. He says he is ready to prove
> > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > can do, after a year in the background, and would be happy if
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > chance came at right tackle -- or anywhere.
> >
> > > > > > > > "Last year the main thing I did was learning, not only right
> > > > > > > > tackle,
> > > > > > > > but all the other positions," Ducasse said. "I'm very much
> > > > > > > > excited
> > > > > > > > about going in there and showing everybody what I learned in
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > year
> > > > > > > > off. I'm just ready to go."
> >
> > > > > > > watching vlad up to this point, i always felt his best place
> > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > RT. he has tremendous tools. size, arm lenght, leverage, feet and
> > > > > > > great coordination. when he makes contact, he uses his arms like
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > modern tackle. tremendous leverage. the down side was he did not
> > > > > > > know how to play. he looked confused. some of what he said in the
> > > > > > > article bodes well. he's not a cement head.. he had probably had
> > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > much on his plate too soon as far as learning the game. once he
> > > > > > > catches up, he has all the makings of a top guy.
> >
> > > > > > If Schott was a better offensive coordinator.
> >
> > > > > > :)
> >
> > > > > > I imagine guard & tackle must get more & more different as you
> > > > > > advance
> > > > > > from HS - college to pro.
> >
> > > > > > Papa?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > i have seen some HS games where it looked like you could swap the CB
> > > > > for the offensive guard. What is just as interesting... As the pro
> > > > > game has evolved, so has the differance between the Guard and Tackle
> > > > > positions. It is pretty much an arm wresteling match now at the
> > > > > Tackle
> > > > > position. You can get by with shorter arms and less speed and
> > > > > athleticism at the Guard position, but no way can you be a really
> > > > > good
> > > > > Tackle in the pro ranks unless you are built for it like Vlad, Brick
> > > > > and Clady are.
> >
> > > > There are a couple. Light comes to mind. If you don't have the arms,
> > > > you better have the feet! Ducasse was supposed to have both. This
> > > > could get verrry interesting. So what's going to happen with Hunter?-
> > > > Hide
> > > > quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Rex might actaully have done the Jets a finiacial dissservice by
> > > calling Hunter "the best back-up" in the league. �The way Hunter
> > > neutralized Peppers and played in general.... He's probably well
> > > thought of in the eyes of other teams GM's and coaches as starting
> > > material. I like the way that Rex is a player's coach and is candid
> > > about praising good players, but he should alter his choice of words a
> > > bit. �Instread as "Hunter is the best back-up in the league" �it
> > > should be "Hunter did good work when we called on him". �Instead of
> > > "Revis is the best football player in the leage" �"Revis makes a big
> > > contribution for us." � Instead of "Mangold is the best center in the
> > > leage" �"Mangold played like a Jet" �I hope they keep Hurner becuse is
> > > is good enough to be a starter. �Robert Turner is also a excellent
> > > back-up. �They need at lest two top quality back-up's for that line.
> > > As always, I feel the o-line is the most important unit on a team by
> > > far. �One that can pass block and run block. �It works offensivly and
> > > defensivly by giving you the ability to extend the lenghts of your
> > > offensive drives. �If I had 1mm to spend on a 22 man starting
> > > offensive and defensive roster, 325m would go to manpower for the o-
> > > line.
> >
> > Michael, I think your post is silly.
>
> what a surprise...
>
> > Do you really think other GMs and coaches care more about what Rex says
> > than the film they watch? Everyone gets to watch the nationally
> > televised games and probably gets scouting film too.
>
> where did i suggest rex would be tipping coaches off to things they
> could not see with their own eyes ??? When coaches use superlatives...
> especially with players who have contracts coming to an end... it may
> just give that player the idea that they could get more from their
> organization... and... put themselves on the market to increase the
> leverage that the extravagant compliments have already given them. or
> perhaps you think that is "silly" too ???
>
> feel free to pontificate at length

Yes, I do. If this idea were true, there would be evidence of
complimented players holding out for more money with the players coming
in with their tales between their legs because they were tempted to go
for more money than their market worth.

My only point is that coaches blatherings have almost no impact on
market worth.

harlan


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 6:59 am
From: Michael


On Mar 11, 8:39 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <314693d7-7064-442d-a4b1-ca5f5f6f5...@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 2:41 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <9e06b3f8-7d4e-411c-b461-76dd1bad8...@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 10, 12:27 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 10, 10:18 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 10, 10:03 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > > > > > > I wrote before that the 2010 could be a good one. It also could
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > horrible. It is always great to see a guy from a lower division
> > > > > > > > > program make it.
>
> > > > > > > > >http://blog.nj.com/jets_impact/print.html?entry=/2011/03/jets_vla
> > > > > > > > >d_du
> > > > > > > > >...
>
> > > > > > > > > Jets' Vlad Ducasse spent rookie season learning many positions,
> > > > > > > > > including right tackle
>
> > > > > > > > > Published: Tuesday, March 08, 2011, 3:45 PM Updated: Tuesday,
> > > > > > > > > March 08, 2011, 4:35 PM
> > > > > > > > > Jenny Vrentas/The Star-Ledger By Jenny Vrentas/The Star-Ledger
>
> > > > > > > > > At last month's NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, Jets
> > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > manager Mike Tannenbaum said trying Vlad Ducasse at right
> > > > > > > > > tackle
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > "something we've talked about."
>
> > > > > > > > > The second-year offensive lineman said he hasn't had that
> > > > > > > > > explicit
> > > > > > > > > conversation with the team -- but that he spent his rookie
> > > > > > > > > season
> > > > > > > > > mastering both tackle and both guard positions, so he could
> > > > > > > > > step in
> > > > > > > > > wherever the team needs him.
>
> > > > > > > > > "That was the whole point of learning all those positions, so I
> > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > be ready to go out anywhere," Ducasse said today at TEST Sports
> > > > > > > > > Clubs
> > > > > > > > > in Martinsville, where he is set up to train in the event of a
> > > > > > > > > lockout.
>
> > > > > > > > > Trying Ducasse at right tackle could make sense, particularly
> > > > > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > > the Jets cut 33-year-old Damien Woody last week. Wayne Hunter,
> > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > stepped in as the starter when Woody was injured late in the
> > > > > > > > > season
> > > > > > > > > and played well, is due to become a free agent.
>
> > > > > > > > > Ducasse, the Jets' 2010 second-round pick, was active for only
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > handful of games last season and saw limited time after Matt
> > > > > > > > > Slauson
> > > > > > > > > beat him out for the starting left guard job in training camp.
> > > > > > > > > Ducasse
> > > > > > > > > played at right guard in the season finale against the Bills,
> > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Jets had already locked up a postseason bid and subbed in many
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > their back-up players.
>
> > > > > > > > > He said he took reps in practice at four positions -- right
> > > > > > > > > guard,
> > > > > > > > > left guard, right tackle and left tackle -- to be a versatile
> > > > > > > > > back-up
> > > > > > > > > in case any of the starters went down and also to give
> > > > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > to the Jets' first-team defense.
>
> > > > > > > > > "Last year, you just had that feeling that you ve got to be
> > > > > > > > > ready,"
> > > > > > > > > Ducasse said. "If they said, 'We need you on the left'; I was
> > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > they said, 'We need you on the right.' Every practice I was
> > > > > > > > > getting
> > > > > > > > > reps at tackle and guard."
>
> > > > > > > > > Ducasse said his major hang-up as a rookie was learning the
> > > > > > > > > Jets'
> > > > > > > > > playbook, a complicated task under renowned offensive line
> > > > > > > > > coach
> > > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > > > Callahan. He admitted he struggled at times to apply what he
> > > > > > > > > learned
> > > > > > > > > in the classroom to the practice field.
>
> > > > > > > > > Once he lost out in the battle for left guard, Ducasse took
> > > > > > > > > time to
> > > > > > > > > slow down and go back over his mistakes. Callahan was a willing
> > > > > > > > > teacher, Ducasse said, staying late with him after meetings or
> > > > > > > > > watching extra film with him early in the morning.
>
> > > > > > > > > "It s different now," Ducasse said. "As a rookie, it's just
> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > everything comes down on you, that s the hardest part. I pretty
> > > > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > took a year off, but I was still learning all the other
> > > > > > > > > positions.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > don t know how to explain it, but I feel comfortable now."
>
> > > > > > > > > His focus now is staying in shape and maintaining the weight he
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > all through his rookie season, 330 pounds.
>
> > > > > > > > > Ducasse, a three-year starter at left tackle at UMass, is
> > > > > > > > > perhaps a
> > > > > > > > > best fit at the tackle position. He says he is ready to prove
> > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > can do, after a year in the background, and would be happy if
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > chance came at right tackle -- or anywhere.
>
> > > > > > > > > "Last year the main thing I did was learning, not only right
> > > > > > > > > tackle,
> > > > > > > > > but all the other positions," Ducasse said. "I'm very much
> > > > > > > > > excited
> > > > > > > > > about going in there and showing everybody what I learned in
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > year
> > > > > > > > > off. I'm just ready to go."
>
> > > > > > > > watching vlad up to this point, i always felt his best place
> > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > RT. he has tremendous tools. size, arm lenght, leverage, feet and
> > > > > > > > great coordination. when he makes contact, he uses his arms like
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > modern tackle. tremendous leverage. the down side was he did not
> > > > > > > > know how to play. he looked confused. some of what he said in the
> > > > > > > > article bodes well. he's not a cement head.. he had probably had
> > > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > much on his plate too soon as far as learning the game. once he
> > > > > > > > catches up, he has all the makings of a top guy.
>
> > > > > > > If Schott was a better offensive coordinator.
>
> > > > > > > :)
>
> > > > > > > I imagine guard & tackle must get more & more different as you
> > > > > > > advance
> > > > > > > from HS - college to pro.
>
> > > > > > > Papa?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > i have seen some HS games where it looked like you could swap the CB
> > > > > > for the offensive guard. What is just as interesting... As the pro
> > > > > > game has evolved, so has the differance between the Guard and Tackle
> > > > > > positions. It is pretty much an arm wresteling match now at the
> > > > > > Tackle
> > > > > > position. You can get by with shorter arms and less speed and
> > > > > > athleticism at the Guard position, but no way can you be a really
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > Tackle in the pro ranks unless you are built for it like Vlad, Brick
> > > > > > and Clady are.
>
> > > > > There are a couple. Light comes to mind. If you don't have the arms,
> > > > > you better have the feet! Ducasse was supposed to have both. This
> > > > > could get verrry interesting. So what's going to happen with Hunter?-
> > > > > Hide
> > > > > quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Rex might actaully have done the Jets a finiacial dissservice by
> > > > calling Hunter "the best back-up" in the league. The way Hunter
> > > > neutralized Peppers and played in general.... He's probably well
> > > > thought of in the eyes of other teams GM's and coaches as starting
> > > > material. I like the way that Rex is a player's coach and is candid
> > > > about praising good players, but he should alter his choice of words a
> > > > bit. Instread as "Hunter is the best back-up in the league" it
> > > > should be "Hunter did good work when we called on him". Instead of
> > > > "Revis is the best football player in the leage" "Revis makes a big
> > > > contribution for us." Instead of "Mangold is the best center in the
> > > > leage" "Mangold played like a Jet" I hope they keep Hurner becuse is
> > > > is good enough to be a starter. Robert Turner is also a excellent
> > > > back-up. They need at lest two top quality back-up's for that line.
> > > > As always, I feel the o-line is the most important unit on a team by
> > > > far. One that can pass block and run block. It works offensivly and
> > > > defensivly by giving you the ability to extend the lenghts of your
> > > > offensive drives. If I had 1mm to spend on a 22 man starting
> > > > offensive and defensive roster, 325m would go to manpower for the o-
> > > > line.
>
> > > Michael, I think your post is silly.
>
> > what a surprise...
>
> > > Do you really think other GMs and coaches care more about what Rex says
> > > than the film they watch? Everyone gets to watch the nationally
> > > televised games and probably gets scouting film too.
>
> > where did i suggest rex would be tipping coaches off to things they
> > could not see with their own eyes ??? When coaches use superlatives...
> > especially with players who have contracts coming to an end... it may
> > just give that player the idea that they could get more from their
> > organization... and... put themselves on the market to increase the
> > leverage that the extravagant compliments have already given them.  or
> > perhaps you think that is "silly" too ???
>
> > feel free to pontificate at length
>
> Yes, I do. If this idea were true, there would be evidence of
> complimented players holding out for more money with the players coming
> in with their tales between their legs because they were tempted to go
> for more money than their market worth.
>
> My only point is that coaches blatherings have almost no impact on
> market worth.
>
> harlan

and so i agree with you on that point. take gholston... we all know
what rex said about gholston... he was going to make him a star...
said he was getting better... and so on... no way in sam hell did that
increase is market value...

the point im making is... rex might give a player or his agent the
idea that they are valued by the team beyond what they are being
paid. hence... "lets talk deal". part of such a negotiation would
of course involve exposing a player to the market... players demanding
more pay or trade... infections taking hold... pete kendall wants a
trade, this one wants a trade... a culture of cocks running the coop.
what rex says is blather to another coach or gm, but it is not taken
as blather by a young player with an ego or a rapacious agent with a
pen


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 8:27 am
From: John C TX


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> It gives agents extra ammo to be sleazy with.  Probably not a big deal
> in the long run, because ultimately the price of the player will be a
> product of how bad the team needs the player relative to what other
> teams would give him (and the player knows these figures, because
> tampering probably happens every day).  But I could see an issue where
> it could go to a prima donna's head and he directs his agent to go to
> great lengths to up his contract value, and agents will usually
> oblige.  I think it's possible that Revis's actions could have been
> influenced by this.  Let's see what Hunter does.

Hunter will do what most people would do when they have a chance to
make a pile of dough. He will take the $.

That doesn't mean he doesn't go back to the Jets for a last look but
it also doesn't mean he will give them a last chance.

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TOPIC: Sanchez Throwing
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/482f2b295caf3787?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 8:40 am
From: John C TX


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This is a good sign.

As for the player who threwto:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79133&draftyear=2011&genpos=WR

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/shoulder-well-enough-to-allow-jets-qb-mark-sanchez-to-help-friend-at-colorados-pro-day/1

Yes, that's visual proof of Jets QB Mark Sanchez throwing to Colorado
WR (and longtime friend) Scotty McKnight at the Buffs' pro day
Wednesday. It would seem to be a pretty good indication that the
shoulder woes that plagued Sanchez at the end of the 2010 season have
healed.

As for McKnight, who wasn't invited to the scouting combine or Senior
Bowl even though he is Colorado's career leader for catches (215) and
TD grabs (22)?

"He was determined to do well and he did," Sanchez said via The Denver
Post. "He's a versatile guy. He can run every route. He's quick, he's
fast, he's strong. He's really smart and he really cares about the
game. He loves playing. I knew a ball wouldn't hit the ground today,
and he didn't disappoint."

Sanchez has compared McKnight to Patriots WR Wes Welker ... which
makes us wonder if he'll lobby the Jets to draft him his very own
Welker.


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 9:35 am
From: Michael


On Mar 11, 11:40 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> This is a good sign.
>
> As for the player who threwto:
>
> http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79133&draftye...
>
> http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/should...
>
> Yes, that's visual proof of Jets QB Mark Sanchez throwing to Colorado
> WR (and longtime friend) Scotty McKnight at the Buffs' pro day
> Wednesday. It would seem to be a pretty good indication that the
> shoulder woes that plagued Sanchez at the end of the 2010 season have
> healed.
>
> As for McKnight, who wasn't invited to the scouting combine or Senior
> Bowl even though he is Colorado's career leader for catches (215) and
> TD grabs (22)?
>
> "He was determined to do well and he did," Sanchez said via The Denver
> Post. "He's a versatile guy. He can run every route. He's quick, he's
> fast, he's strong. He's really smart and he really cares about the
> game. He loves playing. I knew a ball wouldn't hit the ground today,
> and he didn't disappoint."
>
> Sanchez has compared McKnight to Patriots WR Wes Welker ... which
> makes us wonder if he'll lobby the Jets to draft him his very own
> Welker.

if the jets had welker, he'd probably get lost in their offensee.

woodhead on jets: an afterthought
woodhead on pats: a contributor

same woodhead, different offense.

it would pretty much work the same way with welke...

party due to the scheme, partly due to sancehz ball placement and
timing while executing short routs


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 12:22 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<2e178c96-6b1d-4abc-865e-e687e3c42d72@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Mar 11, 11:40�am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
> >
> > This is a good sign.
> >
> > As for the player who threwto:
> >
> > http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79133&draftye...
> >
> > http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/should...
> >
> > Yes, that's visual proof of Jets QB Mark Sanchez throwing to Colorado
> > WR (and longtime friend) Scotty McKnight at the Buffs' pro day
> > Wednesday. It would seem to be a pretty good indication that the
> > shoulder woes that plagued Sanchez at the end of the 2010 season have
> > healed.
> >
> > As for McKnight, who wasn't invited to the scouting combine or Senior
> > Bowl even though he is Colorado's career leader for catches (215) and
> > TD grabs (22)?
> >
> > "He was determined to do well and he did," Sanchez said via The Denver
> > Post. "He's a versatile guy. He can run every route. He's quick, he's
> > fast, he's strong. He's really smart and he really cares about the
> > game. He loves playing. I knew a ball wouldn't hit the ground today,
> > and he didn't disappoint."
> >
> > Sanchez has compared McKnight to Patriots WR Wes Welker ... which
> > makes us wonder if he'll lobby the Jets to draft him his very own
> > Welker.
>
> if the jets had welker, he'd probably get lost in their offensee.
>
> woodhead on jets: an afterthought
> woodhead on pats: a contributor
>
> same woodhead, different offense.
>
> it would pretty much work the same way with welke...
>
> party due to the scheme, partly due to sancehz ball placement and
> timing while executing short routs

Good points.

harlan


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 2:34 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-19561E.15223611032011@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article
> <2e178c96-6b1d-4abc-865e-e687e3c42d72@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com>,
> Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 11, 11:40 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>> >
>> > This is a good sign.
>> >
>> > As for the player who threwto:
>> >
>> > http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79133&draftye...
>> >
>> > http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/should...
>> >
>> > Yes, that's visual proof of Jets QB Mark Sanchez throwing to Colorado
>> > WR (and longtime friend) Scotty McKnight at the Buffs' pro day
>> > Wednesday. It would seem to be a pretty good indication that the
>> > shoulder woes that plagued Sanchez at the end of the 2010 season have
>> > healed.
>> >
>> > As for McKnight, who wasn't invited to the scouting combine or Senior
>> > Bowl even though he is Colorado's career leader for catches (215) and
>> > TD grabs (22)?
>> >
>> > "He was determined to do well and he did," Sanchez said via The Denver
>> > Post. "He's a versatile guy. He can run every route. He's quick, he's
>> > fast, he's strong. He's really smart and he really cares about the
>> > game. He loves playing. I knew a ball wouldn't hit the ground today,
>> > and he didn't disappoint."
>> >
>> > Sanchez has compared McKnight to Patriots WR Wes Welker ... which
>> > makes us wonder if he'll lobby the Jets to draft him his very own
>> > Welker.
>>
>> if the jets had welker, he'd probably get lost in their offensee.
>>
>> woodhead on jets: an afterthought
>> woodhead on pats: a contributor
>>
>> same woodhead, different offense.
>>
>> it would pretty much work the same way with welke...
>>
>> party due to the scheme, partly due to sancehz ball placement and
>> timing while executing short routs
>
> Good points.
>
> harlan

Very good points...but I can't help but remember how deadly Sanchez was on
the crossing patterns that were setup by Edwards and going to Holmes...those
plays won games and looked very different than most of the offense. They
were not un "Patriot like either"


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 3:01 pm
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> news:harlan-19561E.15223611032011@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <2e178c96-6b1d-4abc-865e-e687e3c42...@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Mar 11, 11:40 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >> > This is a good sign.
>
> >> > As for the player who threwto:
>
> >> >http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79133&draftye...
>
> >> >http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/should...
>
> >> > Yes, that's visual proof of Jets QB Mark Sanchez throwing to Colorado
> >> > WR (and longtime friend) Scotty McKnight at the Buffs' pro day
> >> > Wednesday. It would seem to be a pretty good indication that the
> >> > shoulder woes that plagued Sanchez at the end of the 2010 season have
> >> > healed.
>
> >> > As for McKnight, who wasn't invited to the scouting combine or Senior
> >> > Bowl even though he is Colorado's career leader for catches (215) and
> >> > TD grabs (22)?
>
> >> > "He was determined to do well and he did," Sanchez said via The Denver
> >> > Post. "He's a versatile guy. He can run every route. He's quick, he's
> >> > fast, he's strong. He's really smart and he really cares about the
> >> > game. He loves playing. I knew a ball wouldn't hit the ground today,
> >> > and he didn't disappoint."
>
> >> > Sanchez has compared McKnight to Patriots WR Wes Welker ... which
> >> > makes us wonder if he'll lobby the Jets to draft him his very own
> >> > Welker.
>
> >> if the jets had  welker, he'd probably get lost in their offensee.
>
> >> woodhead on jets: an afterthought
> >> woodhead on pats: a contributor
>
> >> same woodhead, different offense.
>
> >> it would pretty much work the same way with welke...
>
> >> party due to the scheme, partly due to sancehz ball placement and
> >> timing while executing short routs
>
> > Good points.
>
> > harlan
>
> Very good points...but I can't help but remember how deadly Sanchez was on
> the crossing patterns that were setup by Edwards and going to Holmes...those
> plays won games and looked very different than most of the offense.  They
> were not un "Patriot like either"
H & P, as opposed to A&P.

With all due respect stop jerking Michael off; they are not valid
points.

Woodhead wasn't better than McKnight in the eyes of the coaching
staff that is why he was cut. So are you part of the Schott "haters"
that think we need three backs as opposed to the Schott "haters" that
think Greene should be a workhorse or the Schott haters that thought
LT was being used too much?

:)

As for the Welker comments, stop it. Papa, they tried running those
crossing routes all season. I assume you like them.


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 3:14 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> news:harlan-19561E.15223611032011@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <2e178c96-6b1d-4abc-865e-e687e3c42...@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Mar 11, 11:40 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >> > This is a good sign.
>
> >> > As for the player who threwto:
>
> >> >http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79133&draftye...
>
> >> >http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/should...
>
> >> > Yes, that's visual proof of Jets QB Mark Sanchez throwing to Colorado
> >> > WR (and longtime friend) Scotty McKnight at the Buffs' pro day
> >> > Wednesday. It would seem to be a pretty good indication that the
> >> > shoulder woes that plagued Sanchez at the end of the 2010 season have
> >> > healed.
>
> >> > As for McKnight, who wasn't invited to the scouting combine or Senior
> >> > Bowl even though he is Colorado's career leader for catches (215) and
> >> > TD grabs (22)?
>
> >> > "He was determined to do well and he did," Sanchez said via The
> >> > Denver
> >> > Post. "He's a versatile guy. He can run every route. He's quick, he's
> >> > fast, he's strong. He's really smart and he really cares about the
> >> > game. He loves playing. I knew a ball wouldn't hit the ground today,
> >> > and he didn't disappoint."
>
> >> > Sanchez has compared McKnight to Patriots WR Wes Welker ... which
> >> > makes us wonder if he'll lobby the Jets to draft him his very own
> >> > Welker.
>
> >> if the jets had welker, he'd probably get lost in their offensee.
>
> >> woodhead on jets: an afterthought
> >> woodhead on pats: a contributor
>
> >> same woodhead, different offense.
>
> >> it would pretty much work the same way with welke...
>
> >> party due to the scheme, partly due to sancehz ball placement and
> >> timing while executing short routs
>
> > Good points.
>
> > harlan
>
> Very good points...but I can't help but remember how deadly Sanchez was on
> the crossing patterns that were setup by Edwards and going to
> Holmes...those
> plays won games and looked very different than most of the offense. They
> were not un "Patriot like either"
H & P, as opposed to A&P.

With all due respect stop jerking Michael off; they are not valid
points.

Woodhead wasn't better than McKnight in the eyes of the coaching
staff that is why he was cut. So are you part of the Schott "haters"
that think we need three backs as opposed to the Schott "haters" that
think Greene should be a workhorse or the Schott haters that thought
LT was being used too much?

:)

As for the Welker comments, stop it. Papa, they tried running those
crossing routes all season. I assume you like them.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 3:19 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> news:harlan-19561E.15223611032011@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <2e178c96-6b1d-4abc-865e-e687e3c42...@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Mar 11, 11:40 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >> > This is a good sign.
>
> >> > As for the player who threwto:
>
> >> >http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79133&draftye...
>
> >> >http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/should...
>
> >> > Yes, that's visual proof of Jets QB Mark Sanchez throwing to Colorado
> >> > WR (and longtime friend) Scotty McKnight at the Buffs' pro day
> >> > Wednesday. It would seem to be a pretty good indication that the
> >> > shoulder woes that plagued Sanchez at the end of the 2010 season have
> >> > healed.
>
> >> > As for McKnight, who wasn't invited to the scouting combine or Senior
> >> > Bowl even though he is Colorado's career leader for catches (215) and
> >> > TD grabs (22)?
>
> >> > "He was determined to do well and he did," Sanchez said via The
> >> > Denver
> >> > Post. "He's a versatile guy. He can run every route. He's quick, he's
> >> > fast, he's strong. He's really smart and he really cares about the
> >> > game. He loves playing. I knew a ball wouldn't hit the ground today,
> >> > and he didn't disappoint."
>
> >> > Sanchez has compared McKnight to Patriots WR Wes Welker ... which
> >> > makes us wonder if he'll lobby the Jets to draft him his very own
> >> > Welker.
>
> >> if the jets had welker, he'd probably get lost in their offensee.
>
> >> woodhead on jets: an afterthought
> >> woodhead on pats: a contributor
>
> >> same woodhead, different offense.
>
> >> it would pretty much work the same way with welke...
>
> >> party due to the scheme, partly due to sancehz ball placement and
> >> timing while executing short routs
>
> > Good points.
>
> > harlan
>
> Very good points...but I can't help but remember how deadly Sanchez was on
> the crossing patterns that were setup by Edwards and going to
> Holmes...those
> plays won games and looked very different than most of the offense. They
> were not un "Patriot like either"
H & P, as opposed to A&P.

With all due respect stop jerking Michael off; they are not valid
points.

Woodhead wasn't better than McKnight in the eyes of the coaching
staff that is why he was cut. So are you part of the Schott "haters"
that think we need three backs as opposed to the Schott "haters" that
think Greene should be a workhorse or the Schott haters that thought
LT was being used too much?

:)

As for the Welker comments, stop it. Papa, they tried running those
crossing routes all season. I assume you like them.

No...they did not run them with the setup all season. Rarely did they run a
clearing setup with Braylon coming inside on some of it and Holmes
crossing...that was what worked and what The Pats do a lot with Welker...I
love it...and think it works better with a talent like Holmes.

Please stop all of this grade school "schott haters" crap...I don't hate
him, I don't know him....I have every right to not think he is doing a good
job OR that whoever is in charge of the offense that looks very sporadic and
not cohesive is not doing a good job. That's my opinion...all we have as
fans is opinions...that's it. There were moments during the past season
where the play calling was very good...just not consistent and often did not
seem to be part of a plan. And the OC admitted that, said he lost him
rhythm and strayed from his plan at times. So let's try and act like
adults...I have not gone on any of the I hate rampages....enough is enough.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 3:25 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
news:sJydnTeiueNGMefQnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:535cc607-af15-4bcc-8b33-108e5d65df38@y14g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>> news:harlan-19561E.15223611032011@news60.forteinc.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article
>> > <2e178c96-6b1d-4abc-865e-e687e3c42...@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Mar 11, 11:40 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>> >> > This is a good sign.
>>
>> >> > As for the player who threwto:
>>
>> >> >http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79133&draftye...
>>
>> >> >http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/should...
>>
>> >> > Yes, that's visual proof of Jets QB Mark Sanchez throwing to
>> >> > Colorado
>> >> > WR (and longtime friend) Scotty McKnight at the Buffs' pro day
>> >> > Wednesday. It would seem to be a pretty good indication that the
>> >> > shoulder woes that plagued Sanchez at the end of the 2010 season
>> >> > have
>> >> > healed.
>>
>> >> > As for McKnight, who wasn't invited to the scouting combine or
>> >> > Senior
>> >> > Bowl even though he is Colorado's career leader for catches (215)
>> >> > and
>> >> > TD grabs (22)?
>>
>> >> > "He was determined to do well and he did," Sanchez said via The
>> >> > Denver
>> >> > Post. "He's a versatile guy. He can run every route. He's quick,
>> >> > he's
>> >> > fast, he's strong. He's really smart and he really cares about the
>> >> > game. He loves playing. I knew a ball wouldn't hit the ground today,
>> >> > and he didn't disappoint."
>>
>> >> > Sanchez has compared McKnight to Patriots WR Wes Welker ... which
>> >> > makes us wonder if he'll lobby the Jets to draft him his very own
>> >> > Welker.
>>
>> >> if the jets had welker, he'd probably get lost in their offensee.
>>
>> >> woodhead on jets: an afterthought
>> >> woodhead on pats: a contributor
>>
>> >> same woodhead, different offense.
>>
>> >> it would pretty much work the same way with welke...
>>
>> >> party due to the scheme, partly due to sancehz ball placement and
>> >> timing while executing short routs
>>
>> > Good points.
>>
>> > harlan
>>
>> Very good points...but I can't help but remember how deadly Sanchez was
>> on
>> the crossing patterns that were setup by Edwards and going to
>> Holmes...those
>> plays won games and looked very different than most of the offense. They
>> were not un "Patriot like either"
> H & P, as opposed to A&P.
>
> With all due respect stop jerking Michael off; they are not valid
> points.
>
> Woodhead wasn't better than McKnight in the eyes of the coaching
> staff that is why he was cut.

(So maybe the coaches need glasses? I saw them in two preseason games...I
think it was pretty obvious to all who was better, it's a shame Rex and
company couldn't figure that one out...McKnight would have been cut by BB.)


So are you part of the Schott "haters"
> that think we need three backs as opposed to the Schott "haters" that
> think Greene should be a workhorse or the Schott haters that thought
> LT was being used too much?
>
> :)
>
> As for the Welker comments, stop it. Papa, they tried running those
> crossing routes all season. I assume you like them.
>
>
>

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 2:40 pm
From: "papa.carl44"


Just heard NY Times alert...the talks have broken off and come to an end.
The union took steps to decertify itself. The union will use the names of
big name players at plaintiffs. They will seek an injunction to prevent a
lock out, try to use anti-trust laws etc. Just got another one saying the
players did vote to decertify the union. This looks like it will be a work
stoppage. Bring on the UFL ! I have a real hard time feeling much for
either side, I have friends and family members who are out of work and lost
jobs they had for 15 years and more. High school football cost a couple of
bucks, three colleges very close, one in walking distance and they play good
ball....I can live with that.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 2:41 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
news:M_WdnQZfV-hOOefQnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Just heard NY Times alert...the talks have broken off and come to an end.
> The union took steps to decertify itself. The union will use the names
> of big name players at plaintiffs. They will seek an injunction to
> prevent a lock out, try to use anti-trust laws etc. Just got another one
> saying the players did vote to decertify the union. This looks like it
> will be a work stoppage. Bring on the UFL ! I have a real hard time
> feeling much for either side, I have friends and family members who are
> out of work and lost jobs they had for 15 years and more. High school
> football cost a couple of bucks, three colleges very close, one in walking
> distance and they play good ball....I can live with that.


Read More:
http://www.nytimes.com?emc=na

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 2:51 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
news:M_WdnQZfV-hOOefQnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Just heard NY Times alert...the talks have broken off and come to an end.
> The union took steps to decertify itself. The union will use the names
> of big name players at plaintiffs. They will seek an injunction to
> prevent a lock out, try to use anti-trust laws etc. Just got another one
> saying the players did vote to decertify the union. This looks like it
> will be a work stoppage. Bring on the UFL ! I have a real hard time
> feeling much for either side, I have friends and family members who are
> out of work and lost jobs they had for 15 years and more. High school
> football cost a couple of bucks, three colleges very close, one in walking
> distance and they play good ball....I can live with that.


This is interesting....

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Decision_Tree.pdf?utm_source=Triggermail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=HuffPost+Hill+Brief&utm_campaign=HuffPost+Hill+(3/11/11)


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 2:51 pm
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> news:M_WdnQZfV-hOOefQnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > Just heard NY Times alert...the talks have broken off and come to an end.
> > The union took steps  to decertify itself.  The union will use the names
> > of big name players at plaintiffs.  They will seek an injunction to
> > prevent a lock out, try to use anti-trust laws etc.  Just got another one
> > saying the players did vote to decertify the union.  This looks like it
> > will be a work stoppage.  Bring on the UFL !  I have a real hard time
> > feeling much for either side, I have friends and family members who are
> > out of work and lost jobs they had for 15 years and more.  High school
> > football cost a couple of bucks, three colleges very close, one in walking
> > distance and they play good ball....I can live with that.
>
> Read More:http://www.nytimes.com?emc=na

I read earlier that someone thinks this will force the reinstatement
of the 2010 season, i.e. no cap, extended RFA, etc.

Your kink shows Tsunami pictures & stories. Maybe a reminder of what
is really important?


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 2:54 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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X-No-Archive: Yes

> news:M_WdnQZfV-hOOefQnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > Just heard NY Times alert...the talks have broken off and come to an
> > end.
> > The union took steps to decertify itself. The union will use the names
> > of big name players at plaintiffs. They will seek an injunction to
> > prevent a lock out, try to use anti-trust laws etc. Just got another one
> > saying the players did vote to decertify the union. This looks like it
> > will be a work stoppage. Bring on the UFL ! I have a real hard time
> > feeling much for either side, I have friends and family members who are
> > out of work and lost jobs they had for 15 years and more. High school
> > football cost a couple of bucks, three colleges very close, one in
> > walking
> > distance and they play good ball....I can live with that.
>
> Read More:http://www.nytimes.com?emc=na

I read earlier that someone thinks this will force the reinstatement
of the 2010 season, i.e. no cap, extended RFA, etc.

Your kink shows Tsunami pictures & stories. Maybe a reminder of what
is really important?

The story was in the middle of the page...also just read the the new crowd
in DC wants to limit Tsunami aide. So, we only save drowning bankers?

the link...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/sports/football/12nfl.html?_r=1&hp

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 3:07 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3b37ec84-ca24-4360-8e55-e00195563b30@a21g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 4, 12:43 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <74929fee-e81f-4dd1-bd69-d1356e356...@o21g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 2, 5:47 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > In article <ikkh5u$6o...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> > > "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:11fcb311-6aa8-450a-87c9-19cf38860efe@a8g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > Fine by me as I'm a huge fan of LT.
>
> > > > > In addition to a fine regular season, he was a key cog in getting
> > > > > by
> > > > > Indy & NE in the playoffs, as mentioned in this article.
>
> > > > >http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6170368&campaign...
> > > > > urce=NFLHeadlines
>
> > > > We've seen a team go down the tubes relying on an old RB many times.
> > > > Hope I'm wrong, but I'd rather see Greene be the main guy, and a
> > > > young guy
> > > > like McKnight get 8-10 touches.
>
> > > JK, I am with you. At this point in Sanchez' and Greene's development,
> > > and given what they gave up to get McKnight, I would rather see them
> > > go
> > > fishing for a UDF, a lower round pick or a back needing a team who
> > > might
> > > do well with a better OL than investing so much in a back who will get
> > > PT even when he does not deserve it.
>
> > > h- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Are you talking about LT? If so, that's a curious assessment
> > considering his critical production as a key cog last season. An
> > argument can be made he was the Jets offensive MVP not only in the
> > regular season but the playoffs as well.
>
> What is curious about complaining about even distribution between two
> backs when one is younger, hits harder, breaks more tackles, and has
> more potential to break one?
>

Nothing at all. I agree with you. I couldn't quite decipher your exact
point. As I've mentioned in this thread and elsewhere back to last off
season, I want Shonn to get the bulk of the carries. Alas LT was damn
good last year and provided an excellent all-around weapon to
complement Shonn. They were a great tandem.

> The curious thing is that Rex/Shott stuck with LT long after it became
> apparent he was declining on his ypc and effectiveness.
>
> Look at his performance splits in the first 6 games and the last 6 (not
> counting passing plays and pass blocking for which he was obviously
> superior).
>
> h- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

IINM Shonn's ypc and effectiveness declined as well, tho to be sure
not as much LT's? To me it seemed like there was a stretch where the
entire rushing offense stalled, I think in large measure due to shit
from Schott's.

But regardless of cause, no doubt LT's production dropped markedly for
a stretch in the second half of the season.

Conversely, it shot back up in the playoffs save the Pittsburgh game
when both backs were shut down. LT and Shonn were game changers v.
Indy, and LT was key again v. NE.

The thing with LT is, when he was properly utilized he was a weapon.
But they can't over-use him and they need to let Shonn pound away
more.


The way I saw it is: LT is a way better pass blocker...and they needed
that. That I believe is what got him the plays, I do not belive it works to
just put him in to block, that offense needs to have some deception to it.

I do understand "go with someone" attitudes. If they see something every
day in practice they believe it is up to coaching to bring that out in a
game. In the case of a QB...if you sit the guy, you may lose a very good
player forever...it can happen and experience only comes by working through
things and playing.

All that said, I would liked to have seen one of the guys they let go
stay...and I would like to see more of Greene.


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