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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 8:48 pm
From: "Papa Carl"
"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > My experience was that whenever a HC started touting some guy that had
> > > not
> > > yet shown anything it was usually to create some smoke and always to
> > > protect
> > > the perception of their judgment for working with that player. I'll
> > > believe
> > > it when I see it. Rex was going to turn Ghoston into an all-pro too.
>
> > McKnight may or may not have been Rex. Like Gholston, it may be a case
> > of circling the company wagons.
>
> > They guy was an embarrassment from the start...throwing up at a rookie
> > camp????? They invested a lot in this guy....he was the butt of jokes in
> > camp. They can't just not try to the utmost to salvage this
> > investment...and all I'm saying is I'm not believing one word of that
> > stuff
> > Rex spoons out...I'll believe he is a real deal player when he shows
> > it...and I do not think one game against possibly the worst team in the
> > League shows it. If some do...good for them, we think differently.
>
> He also has some very good returns in pre-season which yo obviously
> think is more important. That is joke so don't get worked up but he
> had two great punt returns in pre-season.
>
> If he shows up and contributes then Rex' abuse worked. He may be
> covering his or someone else's butt. I just don't see why he would
> keep him around if he didn't see hope that McKnight could help one
> day.
>
> Papa as you know better than anyone even at the HS level you get fired
> for losing. Don't you think Rex likes his job?
>
> Here is a lesson in football. (It's a joke) Preseason matter, but it's
> important WHEN the play took place. What was the situation and who was in
> the game at that point. Still, everyone playing is playing to win a spot
> on
> a team. Special teams are always behind in pre-season and in fact, a lot
> of
> the guys who get in on those teams during that time are gone by the start
> of
> the season. So when were the impressive returns? I don't remember or
> didn't pay attention. I did see him live when they played Philly, a friend
> gave me good tickets to that game. They were awful still at that point
> (Reid takes a different approach to preseason) and McKnight was not
> impressive at all. I actually was sitting with a bunch of Jets fans and he
> was the topic of conversation. That was the game they let Sanchez call
> from
> the sideline, not a bad job of selection. A regular season game when
> NOTHING
> matters should not be used as a guide. Rex does not need ONE player to
> win, if that's the case he needs to find another job in a hurry. So....he
> is putting together a team and a lot of how he manages things is based on
> his swagger and the tone he sets. He picked McKnight, they gave stuff up
> to
> get him, he got rid of Woodhead to keep McKnight...lots of down side
> here...not much up side yet...so if I were Rex...I'd sure as Hell be
> talking
> this kid up, he's got to set a bar for him to reach. Still....how often
> last season would a total change of pace meant if they had Woodhead...I
> don't care what you say....Danny gets the job done, he MAKES plays....Mark
> pointed that out and he is dead right about it. McKnight has not made
> anything happen. When I saw him live I remember thinking how little he
> looked....still.....nobody knows about him, we do know about Woodhead.
> When
> McKnight shows he is a valuable member of the team I'll jump for joy..
I quickly found one. It was the 4th quarter so your point could have
merit. I remember another but work calls today. I still think regular
season vs. starters means more than pre-season vs. scrubs which is
what both Woodhead & McKnigt faced.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-jets/09000d5d819ee0a7
PC, I don't remember any uproar in here when Woodhead was cut. Maybe
you were one of the few. I do remember a few guys thinking it stupid
that we protected that receiver we subsequently let go. I thought
Chauncey Washington getting cut was a bigger mistake than losing
Woodhead as he played some good special teams.
As for change of pace is Woodhead quicker than LT? I guarantee you he
doesn't pick up the blitz as well. I know you want all three and that
seems to be something Schott can't or won't do. I just am not 100%
sure McKnight was Rex. It could be or it could be Rex being a a good
team guy and saying good things so as not to embarass Tannebaum or it
could be he really believes McKnight is a better player.
I liked Woodhead...and he did not just prove himself this season...he played
before and got a job done before. Fourth quarter is very often
meaningless...and the Bills were in the fourth quarter all season.
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 5:46 am
From: MZ
On Mar 28, 11:41 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > My experience was that whenever a HC started touting some guy that had
> > > > not
> > > > yet shown anything it was usually to create some smoke and always to
> > > > protect
> > > > the perception of their judgment for working with that player. I'll
> > > > believe
> > > > it when I see it. Rex was going to turn Ghoston into an all-pro too.
>
> > > McKnight may or may not have been Rex. Like Gholston, it may be a case
> > > of circling the company wagons.
>
> > > They guy was an embarrassment from the start...throwing up at a rookie
> > > camp????? They invested a lot in this guy....he was the butt of jokes in
> > > camp. They can't just not try to the utmost to salvage this
> > > investment...and all I'm saying is I'm not believing one word of that
> > > stuff
> > > Rex spoons out...I'll believe he is a real deal player when he shows
> > > it...and I do not think one game against possibly the worst team in the
> > > League shows it. If some do...good for them, we think differently.
>
> > He also has some very good returns in pre-season which yo obviously
> > think is more important. That is joke so don't get worked up but he
> > had two great punt returns in pre-season.
>
> > If he shows up and contributes then Rex' abuse worked. He may be
> > covering his or someone else's butt. I just don't see why he would
> > keep him around if he didn't see hope that McKnight could help one
> > day.
>
> > Papa as you know better than anyone even at the HS level you get fired
> > for losing. Don't you think Rex likes his job?
>
> > Here is a lesson in football. (It's a joke) Preseason matter, but it's
> > important WHEN the play took place. What was the situation and who was in
> > the game at that point. Still, everyone playing is playing to win a spot on
> > a team. Special teams are always behind in pre-season and in fact, a lot of
> > the guys who get in on those teams during that time are gone by the start of
> > the season. So when were the impressive returns? I don't remember or
> > didn't pay attention. I did see him live when they played Philly, a friend
> > gave me good tickets to that game. They were awful still at that point
> > (Reid takes a different approach to preseason) and McKnight was not
> > impressive at all. I actually was sitting with a bunch of Jets fans and he
> > was the topic of conversation. That was the game they let Sanchez call from
> > the sideline, not a bad job of selection. A regular season game when NOTHING
> > matters should not be used as a guide. Rex does not need ONE player to
> > win, if that's the case he needs to find another job in a hurry. So....he
> > is putting together a team and a lot of how he manages things is based on
> > his swagger and the tone he sets. He picked McKnight, they gave stuff up to
> > get him, he got rid of Woodhead to keep McKnight...lots of down side
> > here...not much up side yet...so if I were Rex...I'd sure as Hell be talking
> > this kid up, he's got to set a bar for him to reach. Still....how often
> > last season would a total change of pace meant if they had Woodhead...I
> > don't care what you say....Danny gets the job done, he MAKES plays....Mark
> > pointed that out and he is dead right about it. McKnight has not made
> > anything happen. When I saw him live I remember thinking how little he
> > looked....still.....nobody knows about him, we do know about Woodhead. When
> > McKnight shows he is a valuable member of the team I'll jump for joy..
>
> I quickly found one. It was the 4th quarter so your point could have
> merit. I remember another but work calls today. I still think regular
> season vs. starters means more than pre-season vs. scrubs which is
> what both Woodhead & McKnigt faced.
>
> http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-jets/09000d5d819ee0a7
>
> PC, I don't remember any uproar in here when Woodhead was cut. Maybe
> you were one of the few. I do remember a few guys thinking it stupid
> that we protected that receiver we subsequently let go. I thought
> Chauncey Washington getting cut was a bigger mistake than losing
> Woodhead as he played some good special teams.
>
> As for change of pace is Woodhead quicker than LT? I guarantee you he
> doesn't pick up the blitz as well. I know you want all three and that
> seems to be something Schott can't or won't do. I just am not 100%
> sure McKnight was Rex. It could be or it could be Rex being a a good
> team guy and saying good things so as not to embarass Tannebaum or it
> could be he really believes McKnight is a better player.
Woodhead was quite good at picking up the blitz with New England this
year. That's the first thing they teach them there. The failure to
do so correctly (Sammy Morris) can lead to your franchise QB missing
15 games. I don't know if he's as good as LT at it, but it wasn't a
deficiency in his game.
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 6:14 am
From: John C TX
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> Woodhead was quite good at picking up the blitz with New England this
> year. That's the first thing they teach them there. The failure to
> do so correctly (Sammy Morris) can lead to your franchise QB missing
> 15 games. I don't know if he's as good as LT at it, but it wasn't a
> deficiency in his game.
Mark, he may be a good back for years. I did he see him get
overwhelmed on blocks more than once. btw how long did it take them
to teach Faulk that trick? 3 - 4 years?
I still maintain that our losing him wasn't as big a deal as the fact
he found a perfect place in Foxborough. Schott either can't work in 3
backs, or his backs both Jones & now LT want the ball more. There are
not many teams that do what they do in NE.
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 6:20 am
From: John C TX
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> > > > My experience was that whenever a HC started touting some guy that had
> > > > not
> > > > yet shown anything it was usually to create some smoke and always to
> > > > protect
> > > > the perception of their judgment for working with that player. I'll
> > > > believe
> > > > it when I see it. Rex was going to turn Ghoston into an all-pro too.
>
> > > McKnight may or may not have been Rex. Like Gholston, it may be a case
> > > of circling the company wagons.
>
> > > They guy was an embarrassment from the start...throwing up at a rookie
> > > camp????? They invested a lot in this guy....he was the butt of jokes in
> > > camp. They can't just not try to the utmost to salvage this
> > > investment...and all I'm saying is I'm not believing one word of that
> > > stuff
> > > Rex spoons out...I'll believe he is a real deal player when he shows
> > > it...and I do not think one game against possibly the worst team in the
> > > League shows it. If some do...good for them, we think differently.
>
> > He also has some very good returns in pre-season which yo obviously
> > think is more important. That is joke so don't get worked up but he
> > had two great punt returns in pre-season.
>
> > If he shows up and contributes then Rex' abuse worked. He may be
> > covering his or someone else's butt. I just don't see why he would
> > keep him around if he didn't see hope that McKnight could help one
> > day.
>
> > Papa as you know better than anyone even at the HS level you get fired
> > for losing. Don't you think Rex likes his job?
>
> > Here is a lesson in football. (It's a joke) Preseason matter, but it's
> > important WHEN the play took place. What was the situation and who was in
> > the game at that point. Still, everyone playing is playing to win a spot
> > on
> > a team. Special teams are always behind in pre-season and in fact, a lot
> > of
> > the guys who get in on those teams during that time are gone by the start
> > of
> > the season. So when were the impressive returns? I don't remember or
> > didn't pay attention. I did see him live when they played Philly, a friend
> > gave me good tickets to that game. They were awful still at that point
> > (Reid takes a different approach to preseason) and McKnight was not
> > impressive at all. I actually was sitting with a bunch of Jets fans and he
> > was the topic of conversation. That was the game they let Sanchez call
> > from
> > the sideline, not a bad job of selection. A regular season game when
> > NOTHING
> > matters should not be used as a guide. Rex does not need ONE player to
> > win, if that's the case he needs to find another job in a hurry. So....he
> > is putting together a team and a lot of how he manages things is based on
> > his swagger and the tone he sets. He picked McKnight, they gave stuff up
> > to
> > get him, he got rid of Woodhead to keep McKnight...lots of down side
> > here...not much up side yet...so if I were Rex...I'd sure as Hell be
> > talking
> > this kid up, he's got to set a bar for him to reach. Still....how often
> > last season would a total change of pace meant if they had Woodhead...I
> > don't care what you say....Danny gets the job done, he MAKES plays....Mark
> > pointed that out and he is dead right about it. McKnight has not made
> > anything happen. When I saw him live I remember thinking how little he
> > looked....still.....nobody knows about him, we do know about Woodhead.
> > When
> > McKnight shows he is a valuable member of the team I'll jump for joy..
>
> I quickly found one. It was the 4th quarter so your point could have
> merit. I remember another but work calls today. I still think regular
> season vs. starters means more than pre-season vs. scrubs which is
> what both Woodhead & McKnigt faced.
>
> http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-jets/09000d5d819ee0a7
>
> PC, I don't remember any uproar in here when Woodhead was cut. Maybe
> you were one of the few. I do remember a few guys thinking it stupid
> that we protected that receiver we subsequently let go. I thought
> Chauncey Washington getting cut was a bigger mistake than losing
> Woodhead as he played some good special teams.
>
> As for change of pace is Woodhead quicker than LT? I guarantee you he
> doesn't pick up the blitz as well. I know you want all three and that
> seems to be something Schott can't or won't do. I just am not 100%
> sure McKnight was Rex. It could be or it could be Rex being a a good
> team guy and saying good things so as not to embarass Tannebaum or it
> could be he really believes McKnight is a better player.
>
> I liked Woodhead...and he did not just prove himself this season...he played
> before and got a job done before.
He carried the ball 16 times in his career for us. Most in garbage
time up the gut vs. Cincinnati & Tampa Bay last year.
>Fourth quarter is very often
> meaningless...and the Bills were in the fourth quarter all season.
& like I said he did it when they knew he was going to run & with two
reserve lineman in front of him.
Just because he puked doesn't make him worthless. Give him a chance
as maybe he changed. I do worry with no OTA's wahat he is doing in
the off-season. I still wish we had Leon Washington but that ship has
sailed.
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 9:16 am
From: Michael
On Mar 29, 9:14 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > Woodhead was quite good at picking up the blitz with New England this
> > year. That's the first thing they teach them there. The failure to
> > do so correctly (Sammy Morris) can lead to your franchise QB missing
> > 15 games. I don't know if he's as good as LT at it, but it wasn't a
> > deficiency in his game.
>
> Mark, he may be a good back for years. I did he see him get
> overwhelmed on blocks more than once. btw how long did it take them
> to teach Faulk that trick? 3 - 4 years?
>
> I still maintain that our losing him wasn't as big a deal as the fact
> he found a perfect place in Foxborough. Schott either can't work in 3
> backs, or his backs both Jones & now LT want the ball more. There are
> not many teams that do what they do in NE.
the jets did not lose much when they lost woodhead. woodhead was not
going to be a good ball carrier for them. when he went against a pro
defense in the role of ball carrier, he got stuffed. he looked good
against third stringers as a ball carrier. he also got wrecked a few
times picking up blockers. the jets had exactly just the right idea
converting him to a receiver. the problem is, the jets dont have a qb
that can put a ball under the armpit of a guy running a fast short
timing rout. the patriots do. hence... no loss to the jets, all gain
for woodhead and the pats. if the jets lost anything, they lost the $$
$$ from woodhead jersey sales... not beign funny, either... i bet the
pats sell more woodhead jerseys now than brady jerseys.
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 11:59 am
From: Harlan Lachman
In article
<316fea0a-5010-4df3-981e-8679207fc9a0@x8g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
> woodhead was not
> going to be a good ball carrier for them.
Michael, I think most Jet fans accept this. However, given the success
DW had in NE, many are beginning to wonder why this is so.
IOW, we agree on the assessment but question if it is just an
observation or imbues deeper significance.
harlan
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 12:42 pm
From: Michael
On Mar 29, 2:59 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <316fea0a-5010-4df3-981e-8679207fc...@x8g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > woodhead was not
> > going to be a good ball carrier for them.
>
> Michael, I think most Jet fans accept this. However, given the success
> DW had in NE, many are beginning to wonder why this is so.
>
> IOW, we agree on the assessment but question if it is just an
> observation or imbues deeper significance.
>
> harlan
the deeper signficance is that the jets have a schoolyard qb. hot or
cold. hit or miss. inconsistent from now till the cows come home.
and i'm not upset about it, because the hot spurts come at the most
important times,
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 12:50 pm
From: MZ
On Mar 29, 9:14 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > Woodhead was quite good at picking up the blitz with New England this
> > year. That's the first thing they teach them there. The failure to
> > do so correctly (Sammy Morris) can lead to your franchise QB missing
> > 15 games. I don't know if he's as good as LT at it, but it wasn't a
> > deficiency in his game.
>
> Mark, he may be a good back for years. I did he see him get
> overwhelmed on blocks more than once. btw how long did it take them
> to teach Faulk that trick? 3 - 4 years?
Took Faulk a while. People forget that during the '01 championship
season he was in Belichick's doghouse after spending '00 attempting to
be a traditional HB (which failed). Probably wasn't until '03 or so
until he became reliable at blitz pickup. When did he come into the
league? '98?
>
> I still maintain that our losing him wasn't as big a deal as the fact
> he found a perfect place in Foxborough. Schott either can't work in 3
> backs, or his backs both Jones & now LT want the ball more. There are
> not many teams that do what they do in NE.
Yet we'll see the Jets enter the season with three backs and have
heard recent promises (maybe empty) to get #3 more carries. :)
I think there are lots of teams who try to do the 3 back thing but for
one reason or another one of the three falls off the map. Even in NE
that became the case by 3/4 through the season, when Taylor and Morris
disappeared. But remember at the start of the season it was Taylor
#1, Faulk #2. By the end of the season, it was BJGE-Woodhead. So
they were down to options 4 and 5 at that point. You need competent
options at #3 because, as they say, stuff happens. The Jets continue
to be blessed by being one of the healthier teams in the league. When
that stops being the case, your face will be red and I'll crow like
Michael.
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 12:52 pm
From: MZ
On Mar 29, 12:16 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 9:14 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > Woodhead was quite good at picking up the blitz with New England this
> > > year. That's the first thing they teach them there. The failure to
> > > do so correctly (Sammy Morris) can lead to your franchise QB missing
> > > 15 games. I don't know if he's as good as LT at it, but it wasn't a
> > > deficiency in his game.
>
> > Mark, he may be a good back for years. I did he see him get
> > overwhelmed on blocks more than once. btw how long did it take them
> > to teach Faulk that trick? 3 - 4 years?
>
> > I still maintain that our losing him wasn't as big a deal as the fact
> > he found a perfect place in Foxborough. Schott either can't work in 3
> > backs, or his backs both Jones & now LT want the ball more. There are
> > not many teams that do what they do in NE.
>
> the jets did not lose much when they lost woodhead. woodhead was not
> going to be a good ball carrier for them. when he went against a pro
> defense in the role of ball carrier, he got stuffed. he looked good
> against third stringers as a ball carrier. he also got wrecked a few
> times picking up blockers. the jets had exactly just the right idea
> converting him to a receiver. the problem is, the jets dont have a qb
> that can put a ball under the armpit of a guy running a fast short
> timing rout. the patriots do. hence... no loss to the jets, all gain
> for woodhead and the pats. if the jets lost anything, they lost the $$
> $$ from woodhead jersey sales... not beign funny, either... i bet the
> pats sell more woodhead jerseys now than brady jerseys.
On a related note, Woodhead is currently in the running for the cover
of the Madden game. He won't win of course, but he's already made it
to round two of fan voting.
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 1:26 pm
From: Michael
On Mar 29, 3:52 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 12:16 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 9:14 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > Woodhead was quite good at picking up the blitz with New England this
> > > > year. That's the first thing they teach them there. The failure to
> > > > do so correctly (Sammy Morris) can lead to your franchise QB missing
> > > > 15 games. I don't know if he's as good as LT at it, but it wasn't a
> > > > deficiency in his game.
>
> > > Mark, he may be a good back for years. I did he see him get
> > > overwhelmed on blocks more than once. btw how long did it take them
> > > to teach Faulk that trick? 3 - 4 years?
>
> > > I still maintain that our losing him wasn't as big a deal as the fact
> > > he found a perfect place in Foxborough. Schott either can't work in 3
> > > backs, or his backs both Jones & now LT want the ball more. There are
> > > not many teams that do what they do in NE.
>
> > the jets did not lose much when they lost woodhead. woodhead was not
> > going to be a good ball carrier for them. when he went against a pro
> > defense in the role of ball carrier, he got stuffed. he looked good
> > against third stringers as a ball carrier. he also got wrecked a few
> > times picking up blockers. the jets had exactly just the right idea
> > converting him to a receiver. the problem is, the jets dont have a qb
> > that can put a ball under the armpit of a guy running a fast short
> > timing rout. the patriots do. hence... no loss to the jets, all gain
> > for woodhead and the pats. if the jets lost anything, they lost the $$
> > $$ from woodhead jersey sales... not beign funny, either... i bet the
> > pats sell more woodhead jerseys now than brady jerseys.
>
> On a related note, Woodhead is currently in the running for the cover
> of the Madden game. He won't win of course, but he's already made it
> to round two of fan voting.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
:-)
I am happy for woodhead and the pats. it is a great story. i hope he
has a good long productive career. i only hope now that the fish get
a real QB and the bills get a real team. i sucks when the jets only
have one real team to face twice a year. i want to see quality in
div rivals.
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 7:34 am
From: John C TX
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He has some good stuff on here. It shows all our draft picks & some
interesting analysis on the new KO rules. I figure anything is better
than me knocking head with Papa over Woodhead & Schott.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 7:45 am
From: Michael
On Mar 29, 10:34 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> He has some good stuff on here. It shows all our draft picks & some
> interesting analysis on the new KO rules. I figure anything is better
> than me knocking head with Papa over Woodhead & Schott.
>
> http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
Some good stuff. It will be interesting to see how the new KO rules
work out on the field. I dont know what do think even with all the
analysis. Recently, I've been checking out info on all the d-line
guys that are available in the draft. There are quite a few of them,
but no "Suh's". Few if any of them are complete prospects. I would
not be surprised if the Jets do not draft a d-line guy as much as they
need one.
== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 8:14 am
From: John C TX
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> > He has some good stuff on here. It shows all our draft picks & some
> > interesting analysis on the new KO rules. I figure anything is better
> > than me knocking head with Papa over Woodhead & Schott.
>
> >http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
>
> Some good stuff. It will be interesting to see how the new KO rules
> work out on the field. I dont know what do think even with all the
> analysis. Recently, I've been checking out info on all the d-line
> guys that are available in the draft. There are quite a few of them,
> but no "Suh's". Few if any of them are complete prospects. I would
> not be surprised if the Jets do not draft a d-line guy as much as they
> need one.
If they draft him & he contributes that is a big help.
Fairley -- who will never reach us-- may be a monster. He is also a
bonehead so he may be Haynesworth.
== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 8:33 am
From: Michael
On Mar 29, 11:14 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > He has some good stuff on here. It shows all our draft picks & some
> > > interesting analysis on the new KO rules. I figure anything is better
> > > than me knocking head with Papa over Woodhead & Schott.
>
> > >http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
>
> > Some good stuff. It will be interesting to see how the new KO rules
> > work out on the field. I dont know what do think even with all the
> > analysis. Recently, I've been checking out info on all the d-line
> > guys that are available in the draft. There are quite a few of them,
> > but no "Suh's". Few if any of them are complete prospects. I would
> > not be surprised if the Jets do not draft a d-line guy as much as they
> > need one.
>
> If they draft him & he contributes that is a big help.
>
> Fairley -- who will never reach us-- may be a monster. He is also a
> bonehead so he may be Haynesworth.
Major red Flags come along with Fairley. Gholston looked like a
monster too. Who needs to be reminded? I'd prefer "safe" to "boom or
bust" right now.
Since Bowers has possible knee issues, the only "complete" D-line
prospect is Dareus. Wishful thinking to the people who are comparing
him to Suh, but he is at least the most complete defensive player in
the draft. After him, the odds of getting a good player decrease
substantially, IMHO.
Some mock drafts have the Jets taking hybrid DE-OLB Ayers (UCLA).
Said to have proven pass rushing skills. His sack total was said to
be hampered by playing as a down line guy and not OLB. I never saw him
play, but it sounds interesting. Nice and versitile with some out of
the box ability.
Even the QB's in this draft are questionable. They are all ranked by
default. This is one very strange draft.
== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 12:39 pm
From: MZ
On Mar 29, 11:33 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 11:14 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > He has some good stuff on here. It shows all our draft picks & some
> > > > interesting analysis on the new KO rules. I figure anything is better
> > > > than me knocking head with Papa over Woodhead & Schott.
>
> > > >http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
>
> > > Some good stuff. It will be interesting to see how the new KO rules
> > > work out on the field. I dont know what do think even with all the
> > > analysis. Recently, I've been checking out info on all the d-line
> > > guys that are available in the draft. There are quite a few of them,
> > > but no "Suh's". Few if any of them are complete prospects. I would
> > > not be surprised if the Jets do not draft a d-line guy as much as they
> > > need one.
>
> > If they draft him & he contributes that is a big help.
>
> > Fairley -- who will never reach us-- may be a monster. He is also a
> > bonehead so he may be Haynesworth.
>
> Major red Flags come along with Fairley. Gholston looked like a
> monster too. Who needs to be reminded? I'd prefer "safe" to "boom or
> bust" right now.
>
> Since Bowers has possible knee issues, the only "complete" D-line
> prospect is Dareus. Wishful thinking to the people who are comparing
> him to Suh, but he is at least the most complete defensive player in
> the draft. After him, the odds of getting a good player decrease
> substantially, IMHO.
>
> Some mock drafts have the Jets taking hybrid DE-OLB Ayers (UCLA).
> Said to have proven pass rushing skills. His sack total was said to
> be hampered by playing as a down line guy and not OLB. I never saw him
> play, but it sounds interesting. Nice and versitile with some out of
> the box ability.
>
> Even the QB's in this draft are questionable. They are all ranked by
> default. This is one very strange draft.
If the Jets can grab a DLman, they can kick him inside on passing
downs and let Ellis rush off the edge like he used to. I think when
Rex tries to incorporate traditional edge rushers into the mix it
waters down his defense. I'd rather he work on adding beef to both
lines and somehow address the safety position.
== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 12:43 pm
From: Michael
On Mar 29, 3:39 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 11:33 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 11:14 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > > He has some good stuff on here. It shows all our draft picks & some
> > > > > interesting analysis on the new KO rules. I figure anything is better
> > > > > than me knocking head with Papa over Woodhead & Schott.
>
> > > > >http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
>
> > > > Some good stuff. It will be interesting to see how the new KO rules
> > > > work out on the field. I dont know what do think even with all the
> > > > analysis. Recently, I've been checking out info on all the d-line
> > > > guys that are available in the draft. There are quite a few of them,
> > > > but no "Suh's". Few if any of them are complete prospects. I would
> > > > not be surprised if the Jets do not draft a d-line guy as much as they
> > > > need one.
>
> > > If they draft him & he contributes that is a big help.
>
> > > Fairley -- who will never reach us-- may be a monster. He is also a
> > > bonehead so he may be Haynesworth.
>
> > Major red Flags come along with Fairley. Gholston looked like a
> > monster too. Who needs to be reminded? I'd prefer "safe" to "boom or
> > bust" right now.
>
> > Since Bowers has possible knee issues, the only "complete" D-line
> > prospect is Dareus. Wishful thinking to the people who are comparing
> > him to Suh, but he is at least the most complete defensive player in
> > the draft. After him, the odds of getting a good player decrease
> > substantially, IMHO.
>
> > Some mock drafts have the Jets taking hybrid DE-OLB Ayers (UCLA).
> > Said to have proven pass rushing skills. His sack total was said to
> > be hampered by playing as a down line guy and not OLB. I never saw him
> > play, but it sounds interesting. Nice and versitile with some out of
> > the box ability.
>
> > Even the QB's in this draft are questionable. They are all ranked by
> > default. This is one very strange draft.
>
> If the Jets can grab a DLman, they can kick him inside on passing
> downs and let Ellis rush off the edge like he used to. I think when
> Rex tries to incorporate traditional edge rushers into the mix it
> waters down his defense. I'd rather he work on adding beef to both
> lines and somehow address the safety position.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
safety ??? hmmm... poole was doing a good job late in the season.
poole with leonhard is a good starting line-up, no ??? smith as back-
up or for big nickle
== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 12:59 pm
From: MZ
On Mar 29, 3:43 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 3:39 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 11:33 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 29, 11:14 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > > > He has some good stuff on here. It shows all our draft picks & some
> > > > > > interesting analysis on the new KO rules. I figure anything is better
> > > > > > than me knocking head with Papa over Woodhead & Schott.
>
> > > > > >http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
>
> > > > > Some good stuff. It will be interesting to see how the new KO rules
> > > > > work out on the field. I dont know what do think even with all the
> > > > > analysis. Recently, I've been checking out info on all the d-line
> > > > > guys that are available in the draft. There are quite a few of them,
> > > > > but no "Suh's". Few if any of them are complete prospects. I would
> > > > > not be surprised if the Jets do not draft a d-line guy as much as they
> > > > > need one.
>
> > > > If they draft him & he contributes that is a big help.
>
> > > > Fairley -- who will never reach us-- may be a monster. He is also a
> > > > bonehead so he may be Haynesworth.
>
> > > Major red Flags come along with Fairley. Gholston looked like a
> > > monster too. Who needs to be reminded? I'd prefer "safe" to "boom or
> > > bust" right now.
>
> > > Since Bowers has possible knee issues, the only "complete" D-line
> > > prospect is Dareus. Wishful thinking to the people who are comparing
> > > him to Suh, but he is at least the most complete defensive player in
> > > the draft. After him, the odds of getting a good player decrease
> > > substantially, IMHO.
>
> > > Some mock drafts have the Jets taking hybrid DE-OLB Ayers (UCLA).
> > > Said to have proven pass rushing skills. His sack total was said to
> > > be hampered by playing as a down line guy and not OLB. I never saw him
> > > play, but it sounds interesting. Nice and versitile with some out of
> > > the box ability.
>
> > > Even the QB's in this draft are questionable. They are all ranked by
> > > default. This is one very strange draft.
>
> > If the Jets can grab a DLman, they can kick him inside on passing
> > downs and let Ellis rush off the edge like he used to. I think when
> > Rex tries to incorporate traditional edge rushers into the mix it
> > waters down his defense. I'd rather he work on adding beef to both
> > lines and somehow address the safety position.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> safety ??? hmmm... poole was doing a good job late in the season.
> poole with leonhard is a good starting line-up, no ??? smith as back-
> up or for big nickle
I was not impressed with Pool. I like Leonhard a lot, but he's
somewhat limited if the wrong matchup comes his way. I think you need
another starting caliber safety, keep Pool around for passing downs,
and let Leonhard take as much of Smith's (and previously Ihedigbo's)
in-the-box role as possible. Even though Smith made some nice plays
here and there. Need to shore up any possible holes in that secondary
so Rex can work his magic in the front 7.
But this could all be moot if the safety position is as weak in this
draft as they say it is.
== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 1:50 pm
From: Michael
On Mar 29, 3:59 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 3:43 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 3:39 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 29, 11:33 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 29, 11:14 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > > > > He has some good stuff on here. It shows all our draft picks & some
> > > > > > > interesting analysis on the new KO rules. I figure anything is better
> > > > > > > than me knocking head with Papa over Woodhead & Schott.
>
> > > > > > >http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
>
> > > > > > Some good stuff. It will be interesting to see how the new KO rules
> > > > > > work out on the field. I dont know what do think even with all the
> > > > > > analysis. Recently, I've been checking out info on all the d-line
> > > > > > guys that are available in the draft. There are quite a few of them,
> > > > > > but no "Suh's". Few if any of them are complete prospects. I would
> > > > > > not be surprised if the Jets do not draft a d-line guy as much as they
> > > > > > need one.
>
> > > > > If they draft him & he contributes that is a big help.
>
> > > > > Fairley -- who will never reach us-- may be a monster. He is also a
> > > > > bonehead so he may be Haynesworth.
>
> > > > Major red Flags come along with Fairley. Gholston looked like a
> > > > monster too. Who needs to be reminded? I'd prefer "safe" to "boom or
> > > > bust" right now.
>
> > > > Since Bowers has possible knee issues, the only "complete" D-line
> > > > prospect is Dareus. Wishful thinking to the people who are comparing
> > > > him to Suh, but he is at least the most complete defensive player in
> > > > the draft. After him, the odds of getting a good player decrease
> > > > substantially, IMHO.
>
> > > > Some mock drafts have the Jets taking hybrid DE-OLB Ayers (UCLA).
> > > > Said to have proven pass rushing skills. His sack total was said to
> > > > be hampered by playing as a down line guy and not OLB. I never saw him
> > > > play, but it sounds interesting. Nice and versitile with some out of
> > > > the box ability.
>
> > > > Even the QB's in this draft are questionable. They are all ranked by
> > > > default. This is one very strange draft.
>
> > > If the Jets can grab a DLman, they can kick him inside on passing
> > > downs and let Ellis rush off the edge like he used to. I think when
> > > Rex tries to incorporate traditional edge rushers into the mix it
> > > waters down his defense. I'd rather he work on adding beef to both
> > > lines and somehow address the safety position.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > safety ??? hmmm... poole was doing a good job late in the season.
> > poole with leonhard is a good starting line-up, no ??? smith as back-
> > up or for big nickle
>
> I was not impressed with Pool. I like Leonhard a lot, but he's
> somewhat limited if the wrong matchup comes his way. I think you need
> another starting caliber safety, keep Pool around for passing downs,
> and let Leonhard take as much of Smith's (and previously Ihedigbo's)
> in-the-box role as possible. Even though Smith made some nice plays
> here and there. Need to shore up any possible holes in that secondary
> so Rex can work his magic in the front 7.
>
> But this could all be moot if the safety position is as weak in this
> draft as they say it is.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
i think leonhard works well so long as the FS has range and closing
speed. Pool seems to be able to cover ground. Not an ideal set up,
but not all that bad. i doubt they will get a safety in the draft.
most if not all the commentators say there are not even any early
second round quality safetys this year. the only guy i hear about is
aaron willims cb/fs longhorns. he will probably go early second
round. he's ranked as a lower tier cb, but expected to get better
attention as a potential FS. i hear he has size, is agressive, but
can get fooled by good wr's in man coverage. The highest rated pure FS
is rahim moore of UCLA. He's projected to be a mid 2'nd rounder. it
is said that he is a smart natural leader with decent cover skills but
does not do well getting guys on the ground.
== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 3:17 pm
From: John C TX
X-No-Archive: Yes
> > > > He has some good stuff on here. It shows all our draft picks & some
> > > > interesting analysis on the new KO rules. I figure anything is better
> > > > than me knocking head with Papa over Woodhead & Schott.
>
> > > >http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
>
> > > Some good stuff. It will be interesting to see how the new KO rules
> > > work out on the field. I dont know what do think even with all the
> > > analysis. Recently, I've been checking out info on all the d-line
> > > guys that are available in the draft. There are quite a few of them,
> > > but no "Suh's". Few if any of them are complete prospects. I would
> > > not be surprised if the Jets do not draft a d-line guy as much as they
> > > need one.
>
> > If they draft him & he contributes that is a big help.
>
> > Fairley -- who will never reach us-- may be a monster. He is also a
> > bonehead so he may be Haynesworth.
>
> Major red Flags come along with Fairley. Gholston looked like a
> monster too. Who needs to be reminded? I'd prefer "safe" to "boom or
> bust" right now.
Gholston looked like a monster to whom?
>
> Since Bowers has possible knee issues, the only "complete" D-line
> prospect is Dareus. Wishful thinking to the people who are comparing
> him to Suh, but he is at least the most complete defensive player in
> the draft. After him, the odds of getting a good player decrease
> substantially, IMHO.
Fairley was a game changer. He was also a cheap shot artist but this
isn't a chess match it is boxing match. I saw both Fairley & Dareus
play several times. It wasn't close who had more impact. I am not
saying he will be a better pro but Fairley was the better college
player.
>
> Some mock drafts have the Jets taking hybrid DE-OLB Ayers (UCLA).
> Said to have proven pass rushing skills. His sack total was said to
> be hampered by playing as a down line guy and not OLB. I never saw him
> play, but it sounds interesting. Nice and versitile with some out of
> the box ability.
>
> Even the QB's in this draft are questionable. They are all ranked by
> default. This is one very strange draft.
--
== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 4:57 pm
From: Michael
On Mar 29, 6:17 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > He has some good stuff on here. It shows all our draft picks & some
> > > > > interesting analysis on the new KO rules. I figure anything is better
> > > > > than me knocking head with Papa over Woodhead & Schott.
>
> > > > >http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
>
> > > > Some good stuff. It will be interesting to see how the new KO rules
> > > > work out on the field. I dont know what do think even with all the
> > > > analysis. Recently, I've been checking out info on all the d-line
> > > > guys that are available in the draft. There are quite a few of them,
> > > > but no "Suh's". Few if any of them are complete prospects. I would
> > > > not be surprised if the Jets do not draft a d-line guy as much as they
> > > > need one.
>
> > > If they draft him & he contributes that is a big help.
>
> > > Fairley -- who will never reach us-- may be a monster. He is also a
> > > bonehead so he may be Haynesworth.
>
> > Major red Flags come along with Fairley. Gholston looked like a
> > monster too. Who needs to be reminded? I'd prefer "safe" to "boom or
> > bust" right now.
>
> Gholston looked like a monster to whom?
more than just myself, considering he was drafted in the top ten by a
pro team. of course, he did not have you fooled.
== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 5:20 pm
From: Michael
On Mar 29, 6:17 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > He has some good stuff on here. It shows all our draft picks & some
> > > > > interesting analysis on the new KO rules. I figure anything is better
> > > > > than me knocking head with Papa over Woodhead & Schott.
>
> > > > >http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
>
> > > > Some good stuff. It will be interesting to see how the new KO rules
> > > > work out on the field. I dont know what do think even with all the
> > > > analysis. Recently, I've been checking out info on all the d-line
> > > > guys that are available in the draft. There are quite a few of them,
> > > > but no "Suh's". Few if any of them are complete prospects. I would
> > > > not be surprised if the Jets do not draft a d-line guy as much as they
> > > > need one.
>
> > > If they draft him & he contributes that is a big help.
>
> > > Fairley -- who will never reach us-- may be a monster. He is also a
> > > bonehead so he may be Haynesworth.
>
> > Major red Flags come along with Fairley. Gholston looked like a
> > monster too. Who needs to be reminded? I'd prefer "safe" to "boom or
> > bust" right now.
>
> Gholston looked like a monster to whom?
>
>
>
> > Since Bowers has possible knee issues, the only "complete" D-line
> > prospect is Dareus. Wishful thinking to the people who are comparing
> > him to Suh, but he is at least the most complete defensive player in
> > the draft. After him, the odds of getting a good player decrease
> > substantially, IMHO.
>
> Fairley was a game changer. He was also a cheap shot artist but this
> isn't a chess match it is boxing match. I saw both Fairley & Dareus
> play several times. It wasn't close who had more impact. I am not
> saying he will be a better pro but Fairley was the better college
> player.
there is some room for debate there, but i will take your word for
it. i only saw a few highlights. fairley looked more explosive, but
dareus is said to be more consistent. as far as the jets go, no need
to worry. even if they wanted to pull off a draft coup, no chance of
that this year. draft day trades or swaps are off due to the cba
issues. i think, though, some back room dealing will be going on.
> > Some mock drafts have the Jets taking hybrid DE-OLB Ayers (UCLA).
> > Said to have proven pass rushing skills. His sack total was said to
> > be hampered by playing as a down line guy and not OLB. I never saw him
> > play, but it sounds interesting. Nice and versitile with some out of
> > the box ability.
>
> > Even the QB's in this draft are questionable. They are all ranked by
> > default. This is one very strange draft.
>
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 8:01 am
From: John C TX
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> > :-) While I would agree with you...I'm looking at the climate now....ain't
> > the right weather. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2012 Republican
> > Candidate
> > didn't pledge to ban and outlaw all unions...we now have reverse socialism
> > coming to us and the true free enterprise is called street crime.
>
> Papa, while no one should be screwed or taken advantage of the attempt
> of painting these govt workers as a union is problematic. The Eugene
> V Debs days are long gone and when people are out of work the
> aggrieved party isn't the teacher. It is the out of work fill n the
> blank, the underpaid, low or no benefit worker who shouldn't suffer
> while employees that we fund, don't suffer as well.
>
> This is about $. It is not only about fiscally bankrupt states but the
> Dems continuing a big source of revenue via union dues & the GOP
> trying to cut that off. Both sides think the other guy's money is
> always bad while their $ serves the public interest. I think it is
> all bad.
>
> Oh..OK...I'll tell that to the several out of work teachers I know...and the
> few I also know who were forced into retirement at a much reduced
> pension...You are right...the GOP is trying to cut off the major source of
> support that the Democratic Party has...plain and simple union busting. I
> am flatly opposed to those kinds of tactics. I would NEVER work in a school
> setting without some kind of protection from a union type group...you would
> be nuts to do that in this climate.
They are both wrong here and both sides overplayed their hands.
Govt work was accepted as being lower paying due to security &
pension. The artificial, i.e. borrowed prosperity, starting in 1980's
fooled pols into playing Santa Claus & changing that dynamic.
Teachers (goov't workers) are a very powerful group in all states and
when their benefits & pensions were disclosed they didn't have the
support as most don't enjoy that.
Walker wasn't honest either as he exempted police & fire from this.
9/11 & public sentiments make them holy cows. I ask why? Why is
education, public works less important than police?
Papa it isn't union busting. They just want to take away the
mandatory dues, i.e. Democratic political revenue. It strikes me as
anti-democratic to force someone to be a part of something. The Beck
decision made it clear that it was unconstitutional.
Like I said everyone points to the other guys' money. Buckley - Valeo
was one of the worst things that happened to this country as that is
always the excuse when govt funding of elections pop up. Then it was
a more left leaning court but the decision was anonymous. Now it
will be the right leaning court that will kill AZ public funding. I
say get rid of all the rules & just tell me where they got their money.
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TOPIC: 2011 Draft. QB's are a "sucker bet" but this year ???
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Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 9:20 am
From: Michael
On Mar 24, 12:23 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <fe5b5386-eede-4be6-bb0d-90f1fa7b5...@d26g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
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> Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Mar 22, 10:41 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <d87689d1-e9b9-48dd-858d-d16ddf26c...@n2g2000prj.googlegroups.com>,
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> > > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > How many well regarded first round QB's have washed out ??? It is
> > > > almost a sucker bet taking a QB early. This year, it looks even
> > > > worse. I cant remember when there was such a poor choice of QB.
>
> > > > Gabbert. Poor accuracy, wins the tip QB spot by default. In most
> > > > drafts, he'd probably be an early second round guy.
>
> > > > Cam Newton. So many red flags it looks like a parade in Moscow circa
> > > > October 1917
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> > > > Jake Locker. Has looked like anything but top draft pick as of the
> > > > last 12 months.
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> > > > Ponder. OK, So they need another name to get to a "top five"
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> > > > Mallet. See above.
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> > > > On one hand, it looks like any team that throws away a pick on any of
> > > > these guys is placing a huge sucker bet. May be half of the highly
> > > > regarded 1st round QB's turn into somthing and few if any 2'nd round
> > > > guys ever do. The NFL has a Brady once every ten years if that.
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> > > > These QB's SUCK. Does any one here think any of them has any
> > > > chance ???
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> > > > IMHO, the team that takes any of these guys before Von Miller, AJ
> > > > Green,Patric Peterson, Nick Fairley is taking too big of a chance.
> > > > The desire to want a good qb should not over ride good sense.
>
> > > Three thoughts:
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> > > 1) There are some red flags over Fairley, having to do with whether he
> > > is the real deal or a one year wonder and if Von Miller is big enough.
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> > > 2) Brady was a late round pick. Any of the QBs you list who get lucky
> > > enough to sit behind the right starter and end up playing only after a
> > > year or two while working with a superior OC and playing behind a good
> > > OL with a good runner and stud WR might blossom.
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> > > 3) Most of the so called busts never played with a good OC, behind a
> > > good OL, with a good RB and stud WR. Who knows how many might have fared
> > > differently. There is a reason teams that pick in the top 5 frequently
> > > are picking there -- and it is not just that the team is a small market
> > > team.
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> > all good points... i agree about Fairley... some chance comes with
> > that pick, but at least he has visable skills. The experts are all
> > rating gabbert as the best qb in the draft. at least some of the top
> > qb's qb prospects that went bust in the past came with plenty of film
> > showing their potential. even sanchez who only had a limited college
> > career came with very impressive film showing that he had tremendous
> > potential. gabbert, the top rated qb has no such selling points. i
> > cant imagine why any team would draft a qb in this draft unless it was
> > late first round, early second. 2011 is the opposite of the 1983
> > draft.
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> Michael, I guess I was not clear.
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> Anyone being talked about as a possible first rounder will do better if
> they get picked by a team with a better OL, WR, OC and RB and get to sit
> for a year or two.- Hide quoted text -
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understood... in the case of gabbert, who will probably go to the
panthers... gabbert is dead meat. no question that they throw him to
the dogs. probably, a lot of top qb prospects that went bust would
have had a chance for a quality career if the teams that drafted them
followed your advice above.
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TOPIC: Ainge making progress...
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Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 7:01 pm
From: Michael
I hope he gets it cleaned up and comes back. I liked the way he
looked. Raw, but big upside. Perhaps he can get back to football now.
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