Wednesday, March 30, 2011

Re: Medarticles E book

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           IT IS NOT AVAILABLE. HOWEVER I WILL TRY FOR IT ON INTERNET INSHALLAH.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Mihir Herlekar <mihirherlekar@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I need e book - 

Nanomaterials for the Life Sciences. Editor - Challa S.S.R. Kumar, Wiley-VCH Publication (10 volumes)

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Medarticles E book

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I need e book - 

Nanomaterials for the Life Sciences. Editor - Challa S.S.R. Kumar, Wiley-VCH Publication (10 volumes)

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Re: Medarticles

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hi
But acs paper i am not able to download and chinese paper has more relevant information ,how to get that information
Romy

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:34 PM, anandkumarreddy <anandkumarreddy@gmail.com> wrote:
Go here.

http://scholar.google.co.in/scholar?q=nattokinase+purification&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=on

As you said most of papers are from China.  Still some are in Sciendirect, Springer, ACS.  Have a look

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Please send me some paper on nattokinase purification.because most of the paper in other language.

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Re: Medarticles article request please

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Em 30/03/2011, às 22:29, bob escreveu:

> Use of C-reactive protein to guide duration of empiric antibiotic
> therapy in suspected early neonatal sepsis

Murillo Santucci Cesar de Assunção
Unidade de Terapia Intensiva adulto
Disciplina de Anestesiologia, Dor e Terapia Intensiva
Escola Paulista de Medicina
Rua Napoleão de Barros,715
Vila Clementino - São Paulo - CEP: 04024-002
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Bomela HN, Ballot DE, Cory BJ, Cooper PA.
Use of C-reactive protein to guide duration of empiric antibiotic
therapy in suspected early neonatal sepsis.
Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2000 Jun;19(6):531-5.
PMID: 10877168

Can´t find DOI !

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 4:02 am
From: HVAC


On 3/29/2011 2:59 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:

>
>> woodhead was not
>> going to be a good ball carrier for them.
>
> Michael, I think most Jet fans accept this. However, given the success
> DW had in NE, many are beginning to wonder why this is so.
>
> IOW, we agree on the assessment but question if it is just an
> observation or imbues deeper significance.


Not only that, but Woodhead stepped into exactly the role
held by the injured Kevin Faulk. Mostly a 3rd down back who
can catch and run the draw effectively.


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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 5:42 am
From: John C TX


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> > > Woodhead was quite good at picking up the blitz with New England this
> > > year.  That's the first thing they teach them there.  The failure to
> > > do so correctly (Sammy Morris) can lead to your franchise QB missing
> > > 15 games.  I don't know if he's as good as LT at it, but it wasn't a
> > > deficiency in his game.
>
> > Mark, he may be a good back for years.  I did he see him get
> > overwhelmed on blocks more than once.  btw how long did it take them
> > to teach Faulk that trick?  3 - 4 years?
>
> Took Faulk a while.  People forget that during the '01 championship
> season he was in Belichick's doghouse after spending '00 attempting to
> be a traditional HB (which failed).  Probably wasn't until '03 or so
> until he became reliable at blitz pickup.  When did he come into the
> league?  '98?
>
>
>
> > I still maintain that our losing him wasn't as big a deal as the fact
> > he found a perfect place in Foxborough. Schott either can't work in 3
> > backs, or his backs both Jones & now LT want the ball more. There are
> > not many teams that do what they do in NE.
>
> Yet we'll see the Jets enter the season with three backs and have
> heard recent promises (maybe empty) to get #3 more carries.  :)

Like the Piranha Bros., cruel but fair!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygg2KlicnOQ

What is annoying is that some of our games could be blow outs & the
RB's should get their reps in there. It never happens.
>
> I think there are lots of teams who try to do the 3 back thing but for
> one reason or another one of the three falls off the map.  Even in NE
> that became the case by 3/4 through the season, when Taylor and Morris
> disappeared.  But remember at the start of the season it was Taylor
> #1, Faulk #2.  By the end of the season, it was BJGE-Woodhead.  So
> they were down to options 4 and 5 at that point.  You need competent
> options at #3 because, as they say, stuff happens.  The Jets continue
> to be blessed by being one of the healthier teams in the league.  When
> that stops being the case, your face will be red and I'll crow like
> Michael.

Listen I agree we need three (four?) as things do happen. I am hoping
that McKnight is the guy at three.

The use of a RB with 3rd & long spot is something that the Pats do
well. I remember Faulk killing us in the play off game in Manginis
first year. Is it Brady, BB, or a combination?


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 7:55 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > Woodhead was quite good at picking up the blitz with New England this
> > > year. That's the first thing they teach them there. The failure to
> > > do so correctly (Sammy Morris) can lead to your franchise QB missing
> > > 15 games. I don't know if he's as good as LT at it, but it wasn't a
> > > deficiency in his game.
>
> > Mark, he may be a good back for years. I did he see him get
> > overwhelmed on blocks more than once. btw how long did it take them
> > to teach Faulk that trick? 3 - 4 years?
>
> Took Faulk a while. People forget that during the '01 championship
> season he was in Belichick's doghouse after spending '00 attempting to
> be a traditional HB (which failed). Probably wasn't until '03 or so
> until he became reliable at blitz pickup. When did he come into the
> league? '98?
>
>
>
> > I still maintain that our losing him wasn't as big a deal as the fact
> > he found a perfect place in Foxborough. Schott either can't work in 3
> > backs, or his backs both Jones & now LT want the ball more. There are
> > not many teams that do what they do in NE.
>
> Yet we'll see the Jets enter the season with three backs and have
> heard recent promises (maybe empty) to get #3 more carries. :)

Like the Piranha Bros., cruel but fair!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygg2KlicnOQ

What is annoying is that some of our games could be blow outs & the
RB's should get their reps in there. It never happens.
>
> I think there are lots of teams who try to do the 3 back thing but for
> one reason or another one of the three falls off the map. Even in NE
> that became the case by 3/4 through the season, when Taylor and Morris
> disappeared. But remember at the start of the season it was Taylor
> #1, Faulk #2. By the end of the season, it was BJGE-Woodhead. So
> they were down to options 4 and 5 at that point. You need competent
> options at #3 because, as they say, stuff happens. The Jets continue
> to be blessed by being one of the healthier teams in the league. When
> that stops being the case, your face will be red and I'll crow like
> Michael.

Listen I agree we need three (four?) as things do happen. I am hoping
that McKnight is the guy at three.

The use of a RB with 3rd & long spot is something that the Pats do
well. I remember Faulk killing us in the play off game in Manginis
first year. Is it Brady, BB, or a combination?

Using a running back smartly????? It couldn't be the play design or the OC?
Me thinks it is.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 12:04 pm
From: John C TX


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> Listen I agree we need three (four?) as things do happen.  I am hoping
> that McKnight is the guy at three.
>
> The use of a RB with 3rd & long spot is something that the Pats do
> well.  I remember Faulk killing us in the play off game in Manginis
> first year.  Is it Brady, BB, or a combination?
>
> Using a running back smartly?????  It couldn't be the play design or the OC?
> Me thinks it is.

That you think that is shocking!

:)

You may be right but my football watching is largely Jets, Texans, &
Pats. Brady does it much better than the other two. Schaub & Kubiak
are no stiffs & they have one of the best RB's in the league. They
probably do it better than us but aren't close to the Pats. It could
be coaching but it could be a young QB. It could be a short QB who
regularly has passes behind the LOS knocked down but your opinion
could be valid.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 2:15 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Listen I agree we need three (four?) as things do happen. I am hoping
> that McKnight is the guy at three.
>
> The use of a RB with 3rd & long spot is something that the Pats do
> well. I remember Faulk killing us in the play off game in Manginis
> first year. Is it Brady, BB, or a combination?
>
> Using a running back smartly????? It couldn't be the play design or the
> OC?
> Me thinks it is.

That you think that is shocking!

:)

You may be right but my football watching is largely Jets, Texans, &
Pats. Brady does it much better than the other two. Schaub & Kubiak
are no stiffs & they have one of the best RB's in the league. They
probably do it better than us but aren't close to the Pats. It could
be coaching but it could be a young QB. It could be a short QB who
regularly has passes behind the LOS knocked down but your opinion
could be valid.

I'd have to give you the threat of the QB keeps things more honest...but the
design of the play is absolutely critical and that is where The Jets O fails
miserably...if I can start to predict plays successfully from my chair in
the den...then imagine what the opposing D is doing.

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== 1 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 5:29 am
From: John C TX


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> >news:a0c89fb0-937f-4a9a-a43d-84797bc6eace@cu4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-York-Jets-QB-Erik-Ainge-says-h...
>
> > > I hope he gets it cleaned up and comes back. I liked the way he
> > > looked. Raw, but big upside. Perhaps he can get back to football now.
>
> > With bi-polar disorder it is perhaps not a good place for him to be. I
> > hope
> > he thinks about his health and long term future first. For him, football
> > has to be a distant second priority. I hope he makes it.
>
> bipolar is not a death sentence. i read that you can get excellent
> results with the meds they have today.  depends on the person and the
> particularites of their condition.  or so i have read.
>
> Those meds come with some serious side effects....Lithium and Depakote for
> the most part...with others often used in conjunction....he needs to get
> really stable first and I just don't think the up and down world of pro
> football is a good place for someone early in treatment.....it's not a death
> sentence, but it is a biologically driven disease and is often marked with
> decompensations that need to be dealt with.  Alonzo Spellman would be one
> recent player troubled with stuff like this.  The end results for football
> players struggling with a mental illness have not been good.

I hope he gets better but that is a tough row to hoe.


== 2 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 6:13 am
From: Tutor


On Mar 29, 10:01 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-York-Jets-QB-Erik-Ainge-says-h...
>
> I hope he gets it cleaned up and comes back.  I liked the way he
> looked.  Raw, but big upside.  Perhaps he can get back to football now.

Sorry for the double post. Didn't see this threads was started. Here
is the Cimini ESPN article on the same subject:

What ever happened to Erik Ainge? He was a fifth-round pick of the
Jets in 2008, spent two years carrying a clipboard and, suddenly, he
was gone. He didn't report to training camp last July, with no
explanation from the team. He reportedly had entered drug rehab ...
and disappeared. He missed the entire season.

Well, I caught up with Ainge recently and, in a series of interviews,
he gave a candid account of what he calls is "personal war" -- drug
addiction and his fight to get his life back. He said his clean date
is July 17, meaning he has been clean and sober since then.

In several conversations with Ainge, I found him to be extremely open
and remorseful. He realizes he messed up, ruining a lot of
relationships and perhaps his football career, and I think he
genuinely wants to make things right and straighten out his life.

Here's an except from his first-person account:

I'm a drug addict. I was in denial for a long time, but that's who I
am. My addiction is with the hardest of hard drugs -- heroin, cocaine
and alcohol. During my days of using, I was a really bad drug addict.
I would've made Charlie Sheen look like Miss Daisy.

I always thought of myself as a good kid that liked to have fun. We
use the term "rationalization" in therapy. I would rationalize my drug
use, and make it seem a lot more normal than it was. But it wasn't,
because I was using a lot of drugs at a young age.


== 3 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 6:38 am
From: Michael


On Mar 29, 10:55 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:a0c89fb0-937f-4a9a-a43d-84797bc6eace@cu4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-York-Jets-QB-Erik-Ainge-says-h...
>
> > I hope he gets it cleaned up and comes back.  I liked the way he
> > looked.  Raw, but big upside.  Perhaps he can get back to football now.
>
> With bi-polar disorder it is perhaps not a good place for him to be.  I hope
> he thinks about his health and long term future first.  For him, football
> has to be a distant second priority.  I hope he makes it.

papa... one other thing to consider. i am positive that there were
people that have been miss diagnosed with things like bi-polar at the
same time that they are fighting a substanse abuse. a lot of things
that booze and drugs due to you mimmic the effects of things like bi-
polar. i'm not disputing his doctors, but i am always a tad bit
skeptical about mental illness being diagnosed along with drug or
booze addiction. lets keep in mind, ainge made it through grade
school, high school and college all the way to the pros with NO help.
Now he has help. I dont see why he wont be able to continue even if
he actually has bi-polar. Also... There are several kinds of bi-
polar. Some being the type with long periods of ups where the person
does wild stuff like spending, drugs and all manner of chance taking,
followed by long periods of serious depression. Others have the same
length of periods but with much less intensity. Then there is the bi-
polar that has swings that dont last as long. One person is not like
the other, and Ainge may not be that bad off. Some people with bi-
polar are functional without lithium. Anti-Depresants alone can help
in some cases. Again... Let him stay clean for a long time and than
get evaluated. You know what booze and drugs to the nervous system.
Even the best Psch on the planet would have a hard time making an air
tight diagnosis. I bet he plays again and with help, is able to do it
without booze. Hard, but not impossible.


== 4 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 7:17 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On Mar 29, 10:55 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:a0c89fb0-937f-4a9a-a43d-84797bc6eace@cu4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-York-Jets-QB-Erik-Ainge-says-h...
>
> > I hope he gets it cleaned up and comes back. I liked the way he
> > looked. Raw, but big upside. Perhaps he can get back to football now.
>
> With bi-polar disorder it is perhaps not a good place for him to be. I
> hope
> he thinks about his health and long term future first. For him, football
> has to be a distant second priority. I hope he makes it.

papa... one other thing to consider. i am positive that there were
people that have been miss diagnosed with things like bi-polar at the
same time that they are fighting a substanse abuse. a lot of things
that booze and drugs due to you mimmic the effects of things like bi-
polar. i'm not disputing his doctors, but i am always a tad bit
skeptical about mental illness being diagnosed along with drug or
booze addiction. lets keep in mind, ainge made it through grade
school, high school and college all the way to the pros with NO help.
Now he has help. I dont see why he wont be able to continue even if
he actually has bi-polar. Also... There are several kinds of bi-
polar. Some being the type with long periods of ups where the person
does wild stuff like spending, drugs and all manner of chance taking,
followed by long periods of serious depression. Others have the same
length of periods but with much less intensity. Then there is the bi-
polar that has swings that dont last as long. One person is not like
the other, and Ainge may not be that bad off. Some people with bi-
polar are functional without lithium. Anti-Depresants alone can help
in some cases. Again... Let him stay clean for a long time and than
get evaluated. You know what booze and drugs to the nervous system.
Even the best Psch on the planet would have a hard time making an air
tight diagnosis. I bet he plays again and with help, is able to do it
without booze. Hard, but not impossible.

The most common comorbidity of issues is bi-polar disorder and a substance
disorder. In many cases it is the use of a depressant drug to get back down
again after a manic episode. Other times it may be use of stimulant drugs
to prolong a manic episode. The difficulty is that during a manic period
the individual often feels invincible and is very resistant to any
suggestion that something could be wrong. The disease itself is an up and
down cycle usually...but not always. He has been in treatment long enough
now, and with good enough doctors to figure out what is wrong with him.
Yes, bi-polar disorder exists in various forms...like Bi-Polar I and
Bi-Polar II and then with a lot of qualifiers. If you are really interested
you can look it up in The DSM IV Manual. It isn't so difficult that it
can't be followed and understood. He is in the age category where the
disease usually presents itself in full bloom. A lot of typical cases do
not get recognized as such during adolesence and then become evident in
early adulthood. You are also right that he needs to be clean for a period
of time to be certain about everything...especially with the array of drugs
he alluded to. However, he has been in treatment for 8 months, and that
should have gotten him to a point where they more fully understand what is
wrong with him. Did any of the articles indicate where he was being
treated? 21 years ago when I left coaching I went in to my second career
which was in behavioral heath. I had been taking courses and securing a
second MA level degree over a period of time. I had also taken a night job
after football season working in a crisis center. Then I made the switch
and that is what I did since then. I had the experience of working with a
lot of young people with dual diagnosis issues...substance abuse /
dependence and mental illness. It is a very hard road to walk for them. I
certainly wish him well...and for all those who I'm sure will be
judging...the bi-polar issues definitely foster substance use and abuse.


== 5 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 7:20 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 29, 10:01 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-York-Jets-QB-Erik-Ainge-says-h...
>
> I hope he gets it cleaned up and comes back. I liked the way he
> looked. Raw, but big upside. Perhaps he can get back to football now.

Sorry for the double post. Didn't see this threads was started. Here
is the Cimini ESPN article on the same subject:

What ever happened to Erik Ainge? He was a fifth-round pick of the
Jets in 2008, spent two years carrying a clipboard and, suddenly, he
was gone. He didn't report to training camp last July, with no
explanation from the team. He reportedly had entered drug rehab ...
and disappeared. He missed the entire season.

Well, I caught up with Ainge recently and, in a series of interviews,
he gave a candid account of what he calls is "personal war" -- drug
addiction and his fight to get his life back. He said his clean date
is July 17, meaning he has been clean and sober since then.

In several conversations with Ainge, I found him to be extremely open
and remorseful. He realizes he messed up, ruining a lot of
relationships and perhaps his football career, and I think he
genuinely wants to make things right and straighten out his life.

Here's an except from his first-person account:

I'm a drug addict. I was in denial for a long time, but that's who I
am. My addiction is with the hardest of hard drugs -- heroin, cocaine
and alcohol. During my days of using, I was a really bad drug addict.
I would've made Charlie Sheen look like Miss Daisy.

I always thought of myself as a good kid that liked to have fun. We
use the term "rationalization" in therapy. I would rationalize my drug
use, and make it seem a lot more normal than it was. But it wasn't,
because I was using a lot of drugs at a young age.
______________________________________________________________________

Doesn't this sort of stuff make you wonder how he got through high school
and college with nobody asking what could be happening? I just don't
believe there weren't any signs of it, if he could play it probably got
overlooked. Very sad.


== 6 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 7:23 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes
>.and for all those who I'm sure will be
> judging...the bi-polar issues definitely foster substance use and abuse.

I don't think you are judging. Isn't there links with that & ADHD as
well?


== 7 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 7:28 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

__________________________
>
> Doesn't this sort of stuff make you wonder how he got through high school
> and college with nobody asking what could be happening?  I just don't
> believe there weren't any signs of it, if he could play it probably got
> overlooked.  Very sad.

Dave, Dexter Manley got through OSU & received a degree while he was
illiterate. Auburn players are talking about bring paid for sacks.

Take all the money in Div I (hoop & college football) & share it
equally & this crap will slow down. I can see that where Alabama &
Texas share the $ with Rice & Navy. I can also see the day where my
hair is my eyes.


== 8 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 7:32 am
From: Michael


On Mar 30, 10:17 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:6291483a-fb44-4e61-bd4a-517ab9318d00@s3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 29, 10:55 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:a0c89fb0-937f-4a9a-a43d-84797bc6eace@cu4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-York-Jets-QB-Erik-Ainge-says-h...
>
> > > I hope he gets it cleaned up and comes back. I liked the way he
> > > looked. Raw, but big upside. Perhaps he can get back to football now.
>
> > With bi-polar disorder it is perhaps not a good place for him to be. I
> > hope
> > he thinks about his health and long term future first. For him, football
> > has to be a distant second priority. I hope he makes it.
>
> papa... one other thing to consider.  i am positive that there were
> people that have been miss diagnosed with things like bi-polar at the
> same time that they are fighting a substanse abuse.  a lot of things
> that booze and drugs due to you mimmic the effects of things like bi-
> polar.  i'm not disputing his doctors, but i am always a tad bit
> skeptical about mental illness being diagnosed along with drug or
> booze addiction.  lets keep in mind, ainge made it through grade
> school, high school and college all the way to the pros with NO help.
> Now he has help.  I dont see why he wont be able to continue even if
> he actually has bi-polar.  Also... There are several kinds of bi-
> polar.   Some being the type with long periods of ups where the person
> does wild stuff like spending, drugs and all manner of chance taking,
> followed by long periods of serious depression.  Others have the same
> length of periods but with much less intensity.  Then there is the bi-
> polar that has swings that dont last as long.  One person is not like
> the other, and Ainge may not be that bad off.  Some people with bi-
> polar are functional without lithium.  Anti-Depresants alone can help
> in some cases. Again... Let him stay clean for a long time and than
> get evaluated.  You know what booze and drugs to the nervous system.
> Even the best Psch on the planet would have a hard time making an air
> tight diagnosis.  I bet he plays again and with help, is able to do it
> without booze.  Hard, but not impossible.
>
> The most common comorbidity of issues is bi-polar disorder and a substance
> disorder.  In many cases it is the use of a depressant drug to get back down
> again after a manic episode.  Other times it may be use of stimulant drugs
> to prolong a manic episode.  The difficulty is that during a manic period
> the individual often feels invincible and is very resistant to any
> suggestion that something could be wrong.  The disease itself is an up and
> down cycle usually...but not always.  He has been in treatment long enough
> now, and with good enough doctors to figure out what is wrong with him.
> Yes, bi-polar disorder exists in various forms...like Bi-Polar I and
> Bi-Polar II and then with a lot of qualifiers.  If you are really interested
> you can look it up in The DSM IV Manual.  It isn't so difficult that it
> can't be followed and understood.  He is in the age category where the
> disease usually presents itself in full bloom.  A lot of typical cases do
> not get recognized as such during adolesence and then become evident in
> early adulthood.  You are also right that he needs to be clean for a period
> of time to be certain about everything...especially with the array of drugs
> he alluded to.  However, he has been in treatment for 8 months, and that
> should have gotten him to a point where they more fully understand what is
> wrong with him.  Did any of the articles indicate where he was being
> treated?  21 years ago when I left coaching I went in to my second career
> which was in behavioral heath.  I had been taking courses and securing a
> second MA level degree over a period of time.  I had also taken a night job
> after football season working in a crisis center.  Then I made the switch
> and that is what I did since then.  I had the experience of working with a
> lot of young people with dual diagnosis issues...substance abuse /
> dependence and mental illness.  It is a very hard road to walk for them.  I
> certainly wish him well...and for all those who I'm sure will be
> judging...the bi-polar issues definitely foster substance use and abuse.

no question that biologial mental illness and mental trauma leads a
lot of people to "self medicate". that is basic. i am not disputing
that he may have bi-polar. i am saying two things here. bi-polar and
substance abuse is so commonly linked, that medical professionals go
off half cocked. i know it for a fact. a guy i know with a booze
problem got miss diagnosed with bi-polar. two years after he started
taking drugs for b-polar and was clean from booze, another dr.
evlauated him and told him he did not have bi-polar but had been
suffering from damage to his nervous system from booze. it just looked
like bi-polar. they took him off his lithium and there were no sings
of bi-polar. i also know a woman who is bi-polar. she takes meds and
works in a high pressure business job. years go, she had all manner
of problems in her life, but since she got diagnosed, all is under
control. why not ainge too ??? again... if the guy got through life
playing ball up to now, he can play again and be better for it. i
dont agree that the stimulation of a competitive career WONT be better
for him than basket weaving. it depends on the paticularites of his
condition.


== 9 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 7:47 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c97e6cfc-75f6-46bf-a9eb-568e03471e6d@p16g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>.and for all those who I'm sure will be
>> judging...the bi-polar issues definitely foster substance use and abuse.
>
> I don't think you are judging. Isn't there links with that & ADHD as
> well?

I was referring to the responses I would expect from others posting. There
are definite links between various behavioral issues and substance abuse.
For example, the incidence of clinical depression in people self described
as alcoholics is exponentially higher than in the general population.
People use alcohol and drugs because they work, they solve a problem for
them even if in the long term it makes things worse. So, those who are
depressed will often find a temporary solution in alcohol or some other
drug, and then the use of that substance becomes a problem compounding
things. One of the biggest problems our culture has is not accepting the
fact that addiction is a disease and can be treated as such. In the process
of doing that they would also treat a lot of other very treatable situations
and save lives, money and relationships.

== 10 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 7:49 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:949feb53-7000-44b8-bcba-bdf27852ff46@w9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 30, 10:17 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:6291483a-fb44-4e61-bd4a-517ab9318d00@s3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 29, 10:55 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:a0c89fb0-937f-4a9a-a43d-84797bc6eace@cu4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-York-Jets-QB-Erik-Ainge-says-h...
>
> > > I hope he gets it cleaned up and comes back. I liked the way he
> > > looked. Raw, but big upside. Perhaps he can get back to football now.
>
> > With bi-polar disorder it is perhaps not a good place for him to be. I
> > hope
> > he thinks about his health and long term future first. For him, football
> > has to be a distant second priority. I hope he makes it.
>
> papa... one other thing to consider. i am positive that there were
> people that have been miss diagnosed with things like bi-polar at the
> same time that they are fighting a substanse abuse. a lot of things
> that booze and drugs due to you mimmic the effects of things like bi-
> polar. i'm not disputing his doctors, but i am always a tad bit
> skeptical about mental illness being diagnosed along with drug or
> booze addiction. lets keep in mind, ainge made it through grade
> school, high school and college all the way to the pros with NO help.
> Now he has help. I dont see why he wont be able to continue even if
> he actually has bi-polar. Also... There are several kinds of bi-
> polar. Some being the type with long periods of ups where the person
> does wild stuff like spending, drugs and all manner of chance taking,
> followed by long periods of serious depression. Others have the same
> length of periods but with much less intensity. Then there is the bi-
> polar that has swings that dont last as long. One person is not like
> the other, and Ainge may not be that bad off. Some people with bi-
> polar are functional without lithium. Anti-Depresants alone can help
> in some cases. Again... Let him stay clean for a long time and than
> get evaluated. You know what booze and drugs to the nervous system.
> Even the best Psch on the planet would have a hard time making an air
> tight diagnosis. I bet he plays again and with help, is able to do it
> without booze. Hard, but not impossible.
>
> The most common comorbidity of issues is bi-polar disorder and a substance
> disorder. In many cases it is the use of a depressant drug to get back
> down
> again after a manic episode. Other times it may be use of stimulant drugs
> to prolong a manic episode. The difficulty is that during a manic period
> the individual often feels invincible and is very resistant to any
> suggestion that something could be wrong. The disease itself is an up and
> down cycle usually...but not always. He has been in treatment long enough
> now, and with good enough doctors to figure out what is wrong with him.
> Yes, bi-polar disorder exists in various forms...like Bi-Polar I and
> Bi-Polar II and then with a lot of qualifiers. If you are really
> interested
> you can look it up in The DSM IV Manual. It isn't so difficult that it
> can't be followed and understood. He is in the age category where the
> disease usually presents itself in full bloom. A lot of typical cases do
> not get recognized as such during adolesence and then become evident in
> early adulthood. You are also right that he needs to be clean for a period
> of time to be certain about everything...especially with the array of
> drugs
> he alluded to. However, he has been in treatment for 8 months, and that
> should have gotten him to a point where they more fully understand what is
> wrong with him. Did any of the articles indicate where he was being
> treated? 21 years ago when I left coaching I went in to my second career
> which was in behavioral heath. I had been taking courses and securing a
> second MA level degree over a period of time. I had also taken a night job
> after football season working in a crisis center. Then I made the switch
> and that is what I did since then. I had the experience of working with a
> lot of young people with dual diagnosis issues...substance abuse /
> dependence and mental illness. It is a very hard road to walk for them. I
> certainly wish him well...and for all those who I'm sure will be
> judging...the bi-polar issues definitely foster substance use and abuse.

no question that biologial mental illness and mental trauma leads a
lot of people to "self medicate". that is basic. i am not disputing
that he may have bi-polar. i am saying two things here. bi-polar and
substance abuse is so commonly linked, that medical professionals go
off half cocked. i know it for a fact. a guy i know with a booze
problem got miss diagnosed with bi-polar. two years after he started
taking drugs for b-polar and was clean from booze, another dr.
evlauated him and told him he did not have bi-polar but had been
suffering from damage to his nervous system from booze. it just looked
like bi-polar. they took him off his lithium and there were no sings
of bi-polar. i also know a woman who is bi-polar. she takes meds and
works in a high pressure business job. years go, she had all manner
of problems in her life, but since she got diagnosed, all is under
control. why not ainge too ??? again... if the guy got through life
playing ball up to now, he can play again and be better for it. i
dont agree that the stimulation of a competitive career WONT be better
for him than basket weaving. it depends on the paticularites of his
condition.

This is where you lose people...you go from playing Pro Football to basket
weaving...come on...to your other point...a LOT of bi-polar diagnoses are
probably way off base...it is popular these days :-)


== 11 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 7:53 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ad3b1eb0-1a73-4ba2-a01c-b00b2055653f@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com...
X-No-Archive: Yes

__________________________
>
> Doesn't this sort of stuff make you wonder how he got through high school
> and college with nobody asking what could be happening? I just don't
> believe there weren't any signs of it, if he could play it probably got
> overlooked. Very sad.

Dave, Dexter Manley got through OSU & received a degree while he was
illiterate. Auburn players are talking about bring paid for sacks.

Take all the money in Div I (hoop & college football) & share it
equally & this crap will slow down. I can see that where Alabama &
Texas share the $ with Rice & Navy. I can also see the day where my
hair is my eyes.

_____________________________________________

Probably about 30 years ago or so I was standing on the field of a pro team
during practice as the guest of one of the coaches. I was talking with the
defensive coordinator and when I said something about how good some of the
guys looked in reaction drills his comment was "A lot of expensive cattle
here....top grade beef." That is how a lot of it works out....they are
commodities being paid to do a job and not people, and I'm sure a lot of
players are aware of this and can handle it...but it also is a very
dangerous place for others.


== 12 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 8:03 am
From: Michael


On Mar 30, 10:49 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:949feb53-7000-44b8-bcba-bdf27852ff46@w9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 30, 10:17 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:6291483a-fb44-4e61-bd4a-517ab9318d00@s3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 29, 10:55 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:a0c89fb0-937f-4a9a-a43d-84797bc6eace@cu4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > >http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-York-Jets-QB-Erik-Ainge-says-h...
>
> > > > I hope he gets it cleaned up and comes back. I liked the way he
> > > > looked. Raw, but big upside. Perhaps he can get back to football now.
>
> > > With bi-polar disorder it is perhaps not a good place for him to be. I
> > > hope
> > > he thinks about his health and long term future first. For him, football
> > > has to be a distant second priority. I hope he makes it.
>
> > papa... one other thing to consider. i am positive that there were
> > people that have been miss diagnosed with things like bi-polar at the
> > same time that they are fighting a substanse abuse. a lot of things
> > that booze and drugs due to you mimmic the effects of things like bi-
> > polar. i'm not disputing his doctors, but i am always a tad bit
> > skeptical about mental illness being diagnosed along with drug or
> > booze addiction. lets keep in mind, ainge made it through grade
> > school, high school and college all the way to the pros with NO help.
> > Now he has help. I dont see why he wont be able to continue even if
> > he actually has bi-polar. Also... There are several kinds of bi-
> > polar. Some being the type with long periods of ups where the person
> > does wild stuff like spending, drugs and all manner of chance taking,
> > followed by long periods of serious depression. Others have the same
> > length of periods but with much less intensity. Then there is the bi-
> > polar that has swings that dont last as long. One person is not like
> > the other, and Ainge may not be that bad off. Some people with bi-
> > polar are functional without lithium. Anti-Depresants alone can help
> > in some cases. Again... Let him stay clean for a long time and than
> > get evaluated. You know what booze and drugs to the nervous system.
> > Even the best Psch on the planet would have a hard time making an air
> > tight diagnosis. I bet he plays again and with help, is able to do it
> > without booze. Hard, but not impossible.
>
> > The most common comorbidity of issues is bi-polar disorder and a substance
> > disorder. In many cases it is the use of a depressant drug to get back
> > down
> > again after a manic episode. Other times it may be use of stimulant drugs
> > to prolong a manic episode. The difficulty is that during a manic period
> > the individual often feels invincible and is very resistant to any
> > suggestion that something could be wrong. The disease itself is an up and
> > down cycle usually...but not always. He has been in treatment long enough
> > now, and with good enough doctors to figure out what is wrong with him.
> > Yes, bi-polar disorder exists in various forms...like Bi-Polar I and
> > Bi-Polar II and then with a lot of qualifiers. If you are really
> > interested
> > you can look it up in The DSM IV Manual. It isn't so difficult that it
> > can't be followed and understood. He is in the age category where the
> > disease usually presents itself in full bloom. A lot of typical cases do
> > not get recognized as such during adolesence and then become evident in
> > early adulthood. You are also right that he needs to be clean for a period
> > of time to be certain about everything...especially with the array of
> > drugs
> > he alluded to. However, he has been in treatment for 8 months, and that
> > should have gotten him to a point where they more fully understand what is
> > wrong with him. Did any of the articles indicate where he was being
> > treated? 21 years ago when I left coaching I went in to my second career
> > which was in behavioral heath. I had been taking courses and securing a
> > second MA level degree over a period of time. I had also taken a night job
> > after football season working in a crisis center. Then I made the switch
> > and that is what I did since then. I had the experience of working with a
> > lot of young people with dual diagnosis issues...substance abuse /
> > dependence and mental illness. It is a very hard road to walk for them. I
> > certainly wish him well...and for all those who I'm sure will be
> > judging...the bi-polar issues definitely foster substance use and abuse.
>
> no question that biologial mental illness and mental trauma leads a
> lot of people to "self medicate".  that is basic.  i am not disputing
> that he may have bi-polar.  i am saying two things here.  bi-polar and
> substance abuse is so commonly linked, that medical professionals go
> off half cocked.  i know it for a fact.  a guy i know with a booze
> problem got miss diagnosed with bi-polar.  two years after he started
> taking drugs for b-polar and was clean from booze, another dr.
> evlauated him and told him he did not have bi-polar but had been
> suffering from damage to his nervous system from booze. it just looked
> like bi-polar.   they took him off his lithium and there were no sings
> of bi-polar. i also know a woman who is bi-polar.  she takes meds and
> works in a high pressure business job.  years go, she had all manner
> of problems in her life, but since she got diagnosed, all is under
> control.  why not ainge too ??? again... if the guy got through life
> playing ball up to now, he can play again and be better for it.  i
> dont agree that the stimulation of a competitive career WONT be better
> for him than basket weaving.  it depends on the paticularites of his
> condition.
>
> This is where you lose people...you go from playing Pro Football to basket
> weaving...come on...

yeah, it was an asshole remark, but just making a point. he may very
well be able to play on the big stage even if he does have real
bipolar. to a pro ball player, not beign on the field is virtual
basket weaving.

>to your other point...a LOT of bi-polar diagnoses are

> probably way off base...it is popular these days :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

again... psych not my area, but it seems like some diagnosis and psych
drugs these days are just in fassion. i suppose better than the dark
ages 30-50 years ago or so when witch doctors were at work on psych
cases.


== 13 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 8:59 am
From: Michael


On Mar 30, 10:53 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:ad3b1eb0-1a73-4ba2-a01c-b00b2055653f@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> __________________________
>
>
>
> > Doesn't this sort of stuff make you wonder how he got through high school
> > and college with nobody asking what could be happening? I just don't
> > believe there weren't any signs of it, if he could play it probably got
> > overlooked. Very sad.
>
> Dave, Dexter Manley got through OSU & received a degree while he was
> illiterate.  Auburn players are talking about bring  paid for sacks.
>
> Take all the money in Div I (hoop & college football) & share it
> equally & this crap will slow down.  I can see that where Alabama &
> Texas share the $ with Rice & Navy.  I can also see the day where my
> hair is my eyes.
>
> _____________________________________________
>
> Probably about 30 years ago or so I was standing on the field of a pro team
> during practice as the guest of one of the coaches.  I was talking with the
> defensive coordinator and when I said something about how good some of the
> guys looked in reaction drills his comment was "A lot of expensive cattle
> here....top grade beef."  That is how a lot of it works out....they are
> commodities being paid to do a job and not people, and I'm sure a lot of
> players are aware of this and can handle it...but it also is a very
> dangerous place for others.

i think the same can be said for a lot of other occupations. i have
zero experience with sports, but extensive experience in business. in
business, if a person does not perform, the superiors ask that the
body be left outside of the office. a lot of times companies prefer
not to fire execs/reps. especially if there are non compete issues
involved. if you shit can a guy, it makes it hard to hold them to any
non commit that they might have signed. they just make things
uncomfotable for them until they leave.


== 14 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 2:25 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ee1e01c0-9b3f-424c-a3da-f632f64ea644@v16g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 30, 10:49 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:949feb53-7000-44b8-bcba-bdf27852ff46@w9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 30, 10:17 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:6291483a-fb44-4e61-bd4a-517ab9318d00@s3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 29, 10:55 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:a0c89fb0-937f-4a9a-a43d-84797bc6eace@cu4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > >http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-York-Jets-QB-Erik-Ainge-says-h...
>
> > > > I hope he gets it cleaned up and comes back. I liked the way he
> > > > looked. Raw, but big upside. Perhaps he can get back to football
> > > > now.
>
> > > With bi-polar disorder it is perhaps not a good place for him to be. I
> > > hope
> > > he thinks about his health and long term future first. For him,
> > > football
> > > has to be a distant second priority. I hope he makes it.
>
> > papa... one other thing to consider. i am positive that there were
> > people that have been miss diagnosed with things like bi-polar at the
> > same time that they are fighting a substanse abuse. a lot of things
> > that booze and drugs due to you mimmic the effects of things like bi-
> > polar. i'm not disputing his doctors, but i am always a tad bit
> > skeptical about mental illness being diagnosed along with drug or
> > booze addiction. lets keep in mind, ainge made it through grade
> > school, high school and college all the way to the pros with NO help.
> > Now he has help. I dont see why he wont be able to continue even if
> > he actually has bi-polar. Also... There are several kinds of bi-
> > polar. Some being the type with long periods of ups where the person
> > does wild stuff like spending, drugs and all manner of chance taking,
> > followed by long periods of serious depression. Others have the same
> > length of periods but with much less intensity. Then there is the bi-
> > polar that has swings that dont last as long. One person is not like
> > the other, and Ainge may not be that bad off. Some people with bi-
> > polar are functional without lithium. Anti-Depresants alone can help
> > in some cases. Again... Let him stay clean for a long time and than
> > get evaluated. You know what booze and drugs to the nervous system.
> > Even the best Psch on the planet would have a hard time making an air
> > tight diagnosis. I bet he plays again and with help, is able to do it
> > without booze. Hard, but not impossible.
>
> > The most common comorbidity of issues is bi-polar disorder and a
> > substance
> > disorder. In many cases it is the use of a depressant drug to get back
> > down
> > again after a manic episode. Other times it may be use of stimulant
> > drugs
> > to prolong a manic episode. The difficulty is that during a manic period
> > the individual often feels invincible and is very resistant to any
> > suggestion that something could be wrong. The disease itself is an up
> > and
> > down cycle usually...but not always. He has been in treatment long
> > enough
> > now, and with good enough doctors to figure out what is wrong with him.
> > Yes, bi-polar disorder exists in various forms...like Bi-Polar I and
> > Bi-Polar II and then with a lot of qualifiers. If you are really
> > interested
> > you can look it up in The DSM IV Manual. It isn't so difficult that it
> > can't be followed and understood. He is in the age category where the
> > disease usually presents itself in full bloom. A lot of typical cases do
> > not get recognized as such during adolesence and then become evident in
> > early adulthood. You are also right that he needs to be clean for a
> > period
> > of time to be certain about everything...especially with the array of
> > drugs
> > he alluded to. However, he has been in treatment for 8 months, and that
> > should have gotten him to a point where they more fully understand what
> > is
> > wrong with him. Did any of the articles indicate where he was being
> > treated? 21 years ago when I left coaching I went in to my second career
> > which was in behavioral heath. I had been taking courses and securing a
> > second MA level degree over a period of time. I had also taken a night
> > job
> > after football season working in a crisis center. Then I made the switch
> > and that is what I did since then. I had the experience of working with
> > a
> > lot of young people with dual diagnosis issues...substance abuse /
> > dependence and mental illness. It is a very hard road to walk for them.
> > I
> > certainly wish him well...and for all those who I'm sure will be
> > judging...the bi-polar issues definitely foster substance use and abuse.
>
> no question that biologial mental illness and mental trauma leads a
> lot of people to "self medicate". that is basic. i am not disputing
> that he may have bi-polar. i am saying two things here. bi-polar and
> substance abuse is so commonly linked, that medical professionals go
> off half cocked. i know it for a fact. a guy i know with a booze
> problem got miss diagnosed with bi-polar. two years after he started
> taking drugs for b-polar and was clean from booze, another dr.
> evlauated him and told him he did not have bi-polar but had been
> suffering from damage to his nervous system from booze. it just looked
> like bi-polar. they took him off his lithium and there were no sings
> of bi-polar. i also know a woman who is bi-polar. she takes meds and
> works in a high pressure business job. years go, she had all manner
> of problems in her life, but since she got diagnosed, all is under
> control. why not ainge too ??? again... if the guy got through life
> playing ball up to now, he can play again and be better for it. i
> dont agree that the stimulation of a competitive career WONT be better
> for him than basket weaving. it depends on the paticularites of his
> condition.
>
> This is where you lose people...you go from playing Pro Football to basket
> weaving...come on...

yeah, it was an asshole remark, but just making a point. he may very
well be able to play on the big stage even if he does have real
bipolar. to a pro ball player, not beign on the field is virtual
basket weaving.

>to your other point...a LOT of bi-polar diagnoses are

> probably way off base...it is popular these days :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

again... psych not my area, but it seems like some diagnosis and psych
drugs these days are just in fassion. i suppose better than the dark
ages 30-50 years ago or so when witch doctors were at work on psych
cases.

IMHO...and afteer working inside a psych hospital...a lot of guys who get a
psych diagnosis and "help" should have gone to jail, prison and done some
serious time, but in so many cases they get a pass because someone, somehow
gets them a diagnosis and they are of the right "type" to skate on what
others may wind up doing time for. I think there are a lot of mentally ill
people in prison, but I do not think every criminal does what they do
because they are mentally ill. I think a lot of psychiatrists and other
practitioners tend to want to have a reason why someone does what they do
and even turns to drugs. In the cultural mindset it is easy to do that when
they are dealing with a person from an extremely deprived, and often violent
environment. It is harder for them to come up with a reason when they are
working with a kid that has had it all...or appears to have. This stuff is
all an outgrowth of the "free will" notions and they don't want to admit
that some stuff just happens or that someone is a victim of their genetics
or in the case of athletes and other "special" kids they get too much given
to them and are given too many passes. Life is very often quite difficult
and it is not always meant to be fun...try and sell that to some folks.


== 15 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 2:27 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On Mar 30, 10:53 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:ad3b1eb0-1a73-4ba2-a01c-b00b2055653f@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> __________________________
>
>
>
> > Doesn't this sort of stuff make you wonder how he got through high
> > school
> > and college with nobody asking what could be happening? I just don't
> > believe there weren't any signs of it, if he could play it probably got
> > overlooked. Very sad.
>
> Dave, Dexter Manley got through OSU & received a degree while he was
> illiterate. Auburn players are talking about bring paid for sacks.
>
> Take all the money in Div I (hoop & college football) & share it
> equally & this crap will slow down. I can see that where Alabama &
> Texas share the $ with Rice & Navy. I can also see the day where my
> hair is my eyes.
>
> _____________________________________________
>
> Probably about 30 years ago or so I was standing on the field of a pro
> team
> during practice as the guest of one of the coaches. I was talking with the
> defensive coordinator and when I said something about how good some of the
> guys looked in reaction drills his comment was "A lot of expensive cattle
> here....top grade beef." That is how a lot of it works out....they are
> commodities being paid to do a job and not people, and I'm sure a lot of
> players are aware of this and can handle it...but it also is a very
> dangerous place for others.

i think the same can be said for a lot of other occupations. i have
zero experience with sports, but extensive experience in business. in
business, if a person does not perform, the superiors ask that the
body be left outside of the office. a lot of times companies prefer
not to fire execs/reps. especially if there are non compete issues
involved. if you shit can a guy, it makes it hard to hold them to any
non commit that they might have signed. they just make things
uncomfotable for them until they leave.

So at least in football they have the balls to fire the guy? What you
describe is passive / aggressive behavior...a corner stone of the NEW
American.


== 16 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 3:23 pm
From: Michael


On Mar 30, 5:25 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ee1e01c0-9b3f-424c-a3da-f632f64ea644@v16g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 30, 10:49 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:949feb53-7000-44b8-bcba-bdf27852ff46@w9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 30, 10:17 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:6291483a-fb44-4e61-bd4a-517ab9318d00@s3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Mar 29, 10:55 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:a0c89fb0-937f-4a9a-a43d-84797bc6eace@cu4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > >http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-York-Jets-QB-Erik-Ainge-says-h...
>
> > > > > I hope he gets it cleaned up and comes back. I liked the way he
> > > > > looked. Raw, but big upside. Perhaps he can get back to football
> > > > > now.
>
> > > > With bi-polar disorder it is perhaps not a good place for him to be. I
> > > > hope
> > > > he thinks about his health and long term future first. For him,
> > > > football
> > > > has to be a distant second priority. I hope he makes it.
>
> > > papa... one other thing to consider. i am positive that there were
> > > people that have been miss diagnosed with things like bi-polar at the
> > > same time that they are fighting a substanse abuse. a lot of things
> > > that booze and drugs due to you mimmic the effects of things like bi-
> > > polar. i'm not disputing his doctors, but i am always a tad bit
> > > skeptical about mental illness being diagnosed along with drug or
> > > booze addiction. lets keep in mind, ainge made it through grade
> > > school, high school and college all the way to the pros with NO help.
> > > Now he has help. I dont see why he wont be able to continue even if
> > > he actually has bi-polar. Also... There are several kinds of bi-
> > > polar. Some being the type with long periods of ups where the person
> > > does wild stuff like spending, drugs and all manner of chance taking,
> > > followed by long periods of serious depression. Others have the same
> > > length of periods but with much less intensity. Then there is the bi-
> > > polar that has swings that dont last as long. One person is not like
> > > the other, and Ainge may not be that bad off. Some people with bi-
> > > polar are functional without lithium. Anti-Depresants alone can help
> > > in some cases. Again... Let him stay clean for a long time and than
> > > get evaluated. You know what booze and drugs to the nervous system.
> > > Even the best Psch on the planet would have a hard time making an air
> > > tight diagnosis. I bet he plays again and with help, is able to do it
> > > without booze. Hard, but not impossible.
>
> > > The most common comorbidity of issues is bi-polar disorder and a
> > > substance
> > > disorder. In many cases it is the use of a depressant drug to get back
> > > down
> > > again after a manic episode. Other times it may be use of stimulant
> > > drugs
> > > to prolong a manic episode. The difficulty is that during a manic period
> > > the individual often feels invincible and is very resistant to any
> > > suggestion that something could be wrong. The disease itself is an up
> > > and
> > > down cycle usually...but not always. He has been in treatment long
> > > enough
> > > now, and with good enough doctors to figure out what is wrong with him.
> > > Yes, bi-polar disorder exists in various forms...like Bi-Polar I and
> > > Bi-Polar II and then with a lot of qualifiers. If you are really
> > > interested
> > > you can look it up in The DSM IV Manual. It isn't so difficult that it
> > > can't be followed and understood. He is in the age category where the
> > > disease usually presents itself in full bloom. A lot of typical cases do
> > > not get recognized as such during adolesence and then become evident in
> > > early adulthood. You are also right that he needs to be clean for a
> > > period
> > > of time to be certain about everything...especially with the array of
> > > drugs
> > > he alluded to. However, he has been in treatment for 8 months, and that
> > > should have gotten him to a point where they more fully understand what
> > > is
> > > wrong with him. Did any of the articles indicate where he was being
> > > treated? 21 years ago when I left coaching I went in to my second career
> > > which was in behavioral heath. I had been taking courses and securing a
> > > second MA level degree over a period of time. I had also taken a night
> > > job
> > > after football season working in a crisis center. Then I made the switch
> > > and that is what I did since then. I had the experience of working with
> > > a
> > > lot of young people with dual diagnosis issues...substance abuse /
> > > dependence and mental illness. It is a very hard road to walk for them.
> > > I
> > > certainly wish him well...and for all those who I'm sure will be
> > > judging...the bi-polar issues definitely foster substance use and abuse.
>
> > no question that biologial mental illness and mental trauma leads a
> > lot of people to "self medicate". that is basic. i am not disputing
> > that he may have bi-polar. i am saying two things here. bi-polar and
> > substance abuse is so commonly linked, that medical professionals go
> > off half cocked. i know it for a fact. a guy i know with a booze
> > problem got miss diagnosed with bi-polar. two years after he started
> > taking drugs for b-polar and was clean from booze, another dr.
> > evlauated him and told him he did not have bi-polar but had been
> > suffering from damage to his nervous system from booze. it just looked
> > like bi-polar. they took him off his lithium and there were no sings
> > of bi-polar. i also know a woman who is bi-polar. she takes meds and
> > works in a high pressure business job. years go, she had all manner
> > of problems in her life, but since she got diagnosed, all is under
> > control. why not ainge too ??? again... if the guy got through life
> > playing ball up to now, he can play again and be better for it. i
> > dont agree that the stimulation of a competitive career WONT be better
> > for him than basket weaving. it depends on the paticularites of his
> > condition.
>
> > This is where you lose people...you go from playing Pro Football to basket
> > weaving...come on...
>
> yeah, it was an asshole remark, but just making a point.  he may very
> well be able to play on the big stage even if he does have real
> bipolar.  to a pro ball player, not beign on the field is virtual
> basket weaving.
>
> >to your other point...a LOT of bi-polar diagnoses are
> > probably way off base...it is popular these days :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> again... psych not my area, but it seems like some diagnosis and psych
> drugs these days are just in fassion.  i suppose better than the dark
> ages 30-50 years ago or so when witch doctors were at work on psych
> cases.
>
> IMHO...and afteer working inside a psych hospital...a lot of guys who get a
> psych diagnosis and "help" should have gone to jail, prison and done some
> serious time, but in so many cases they get a pass because someone, somehow
> gets them a diagnosis and they are of the right "type" to skate on what
> others may wind up doing time for.  I think there are a lot of mentally ill
> people in prison, but I do not think every criminal does what they do
> because they are mentally ill.  I think a lot of psychiatrists and other
> practitioners tend to want to have a reason why someone does what they do
> and even turns to drugs.  In the cultural mindset it is easy to do that when
> they are dealing with a person from an extremely deprived, and often violent
> environment.  It is harder for them to come up with a reason when they are
> working with a kid that has had it all...or appears to have.  This stuff is
> all an outgrowth of the "free will" notions and they don't want to admit
> that some stuff just happens or that someone is a victim of their genetics
> or in the case of athletes and other "special" kids they get too much given
> to them and are given too many passes.  Life is very often quite difficult
> and it is not always meant to be fun...try and sell that to some folks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i'd gather that the mental health field is part science and part
craft. too many shades of gray for absolutes or cook book measures.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 5:34 am
From: John C TX


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> > Gholston looked like a monster to whom?
>
> more than just myself, considering he was drafted in the top ten by a
> pro team.  of course, he did not have you fooled.

Last I checked you didn't draft him so I wasn't pointing my finger at
you. I was referring to his rising draft status after the combine.
Fairley played great on the field all year and had good combine #'s as
well.

As for Gholston I wasn't sure. Both because of getting so many sacks
in one game as % of his total but more because I just hate those high
picks. The risk reward is too great.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 7:05 am
From: Michael


On Mar 30, 8:34 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > Gholston looked like a monster to whom?
>
> > more than just myself, considering he was drafted in the top ten by a
> > pro team.  of course, he did not have you fooled.
>
> Last I checked you didn't draft him so I wasn't pointing my finger at
> you. I was referring to his rising draft status after the combine.
> Fairley played great on the field all year and had good combine #'s as
> well.
>
> As for Gholston I wasn't sure.  Both because of getting so many sacks
> in one game as % of his total but more because I just hate those high
> picks. The risk reward is too great.

i dont know anything about fairley other than what i read and hear.
the "experts" are saying that fairley takes plays off. is that bull
shit ??? you know how it goes with media and experts at times. one
guy puts it out and the rest follow. when i hear that he takes plays
off, i think of what they said about gholston. and it was not true.
gholston does not take plays off. he took his pro career off.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 6:11 am
From: Tutor


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/4897/the-fall-and-rise-of-erik-ainge

What ever happened to Erik Ainge? He was a fifth-round pick of the
Jets in 2008, spent two years carrying a clipboard and, suddenly, he
was gone. He didn't report to training camp last July, with no
explanation from the team. He reportedly had entered drug rehab ...
and disappeared. He missed the entire season.

Well, I caught up with Ainge recently and, in a series of interviews,
he gave a candid account of what he calls is "personal war" -- drug
addiction and his fight to get his life back. He said his clean date
is July 17, meaning he has been clean and sober since then.

In several conversations with Ainge, I found him to be extremely open
and remorseful. He realizes he messed up, ruining a lot of
relationships and perhaps his football career, and I think he
genuinely wants to make things right and straighten out his life.

Here's an except from his first-person account:

I'm a drug addict. I was in denial for a long time, but that's who I
am. My addiction is with the hardest of hard drugs -- heroin, cocaine
and alcohol. During my days of using, I was a really bad drug addict.
I would've made Charlie Sheen look like Miss Daisy.

I always thought of myself as a good kid that liked to have fun. We
use the term "rationalization" in therapy. I would rationalize my drug
use, and make it seem a lot more normal than it was. But it wasn't,
because I was using a lot of drugs at a young age.

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