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* Not a good day for the Rainbow Jersey - 17 messages, 7 authors
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* Strickland Believes Armstrong Doped - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* [OT: Character Settings in posts] - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Never trust a Norwegian - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Lance Armstrong - 3 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Not a good day for the Rainbow Jersey
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b49f1e65d62cb05b?hl=en
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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 11 2011 10:40 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"
"Frederick the Great" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:rubrum-34BA98.20331311042011@news.albasani.net...
>
> Negative racing is when the guy you want to win does not.
Dumbass -
That's not true.
For instance, every single Cat 4 race is negative.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 7:38 am
From: "Barry Taylor"
"--D-y" wrote in message
news:b13c68c8-6737-4175-b421-1d56626a0cc8@l6g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 11, 10:13 pm, "Barry Taylor" <taylo...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>> wots with the 'honor the Rainbow Jersey' shite ?
>> this is a bike race we're talking about
>> not some Miss Manners parlour game ...
>Try expressing an opinion without throwing turds, Barry.
Thanks for the advice "Dusty" - or whoever you are !!!
>The jerseys given for accomplishment are honored by aggressive riding.
>Or: how did *he* ever get to wear Rainbow (or Yellow, Green, etc.)?
You seem to have missed the point my friendly advisor
I have no qualms or whatever about the wearer of the rainbow jersey
honouring it,
nor am I suggesting or indeed implying criticism of the current wearer of
said jersey.
What I am criticising is the suggestion that the wearer of the rainbow
jersey indeed
deserves or should be given any more or less consideration than any other
rider.
>> what is simple
>> is that the best rider on the day
>> won the race
>> full stop
>> and
>> end of story
>Van Summeren, a team worker (and an excellent one from reports), with
>very few results of his own, got into a good position near the end of
>a big race, and when word went up to him that Cancellara was trapped
>and being marked by teammate Hushovd (and everyone else <g>), Van
>Summeren either took initiative or was given his head to go, and he
>did a fine job to get a gap and win.
no doubt about it
>"Best rider"? Cancellara can be said to be the "best" on that day,
>which is not to take anything away from Van Summeren's efforts and
>seizing the moment, if it was his choice to do so. IMHO
Nonsense ! He who crosses the line first is best on the day.
Cancellara was not best on the day. But given the circumstances
I agree that Cancellara's ride was far and away the best ride of
the day.
-- ---
~~~ ~ _@
~~ ~ _- \,
~~ (*)/ (*) . . . bjbear on his treadly
If you think you're too small to have
an impact, try going to bed with a
mosquito in the room. Johan Bruyneel.
== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 7:48 am
From: Fred
On Apr 11, 10:13 pm, "derFah...@gmail.com" <derfah...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> from my spot on the couch it looked like one of our local races, when
> the former national road champ shows up. Everyone scrambles to be on
> his wheel all the time, but then no one is willing to work with him.
> Often the lame excuse is offered ... "but my guy is up the road" ...
> even though the odds of "my guy" actually winning are often slim to
> none.
>
> It's lame, but also understandable, because when you work with the
> StrongMan, he will invariably end up attacking you and leaving you
> behind. What often happens is he will then wait until the right
> opportunity, attack, catch the break with your guy, then go past and
> win anyway. Which Cancellara came reasonably close to doing.
>
> In this case they gambled on "my guy" and won. At the time my thought
> was 1 out of 17 is not good odds, I don't care how confident he is.
> Garmin did finally put a guy on the front to chase at one point ... so
> perhaps they thought that too, at least until Vansummeren escaped the
> break.
Sometimes "chasing" is actually "blocking". But you knew that, right?
Fred
== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 8:44 am
From: --D-y
On Apr 11, 11:45 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Luftmensch,
("One more concerned with airy intellectual pursuits than practical
matters like earning an income.>
> Nobody agrees with you. This is because you are
> wrong.
Actually, I'm at least as much "right" as you are. Rhetorical appeal
of "everyone agrees with me" is noted <g>.
> I don't get this whole "let a minor rider win" and "honor the
> Rainbow Jersey" opera you are conducting.
I have seen words to this effect: "Big races need big winners". You
might consider that. "Van Summer-who?" IOW, how many small riders can
a Monument stand? Shall we have this sort of thing happen often?
Really?
No, the small races are given to the small riders. And "The Jerseys",
(again) very important "trophies" awarded for great deeds, are honored
with further accomplishments-- far different from "riding stupid". No,
it was for Vaughters & Co. to figure out a way to get Hushovd over the
line first. This "anyone on my team can win" is Cat III Wednesday
Night Criterium Series stuff.
Damn, no wonder Cancellara could walk proud up to the second spot on
the podium.
> For someone
> who often likes to be on the side of the little guy, you are
> spending a lot of time coming up with reasons you think the
> race Van Summeren won was lesser or tainted.
"See above"; "the big races are for the big riders".
> Sometimes
> tactics dictate that a non-superstar wins a race. That's
> actually one of the cool things about bike racing - on any
> given Sunday, there are more than just 10 guys who can
> dream about winning.
Agreed.
> The Rainbow Jersey is a nice piece of kit, but it is not an
> obligation to race bravely
Specifically, yes it is.
> and stupidly.
That, it is specifically not.
> That means Hushovd
> had no obligation to help bring Cancellara to the front
> (chasing down Hushovd's own man), especially if he considered
> Cance might TT away from him before they got to the
> velodrome. Which is a significant risk since Paris-Roubaix
> is often won by a powerful rider simply riding away from
> his companions (van Petegem did that a few years ago).
Who said anything about "bringing Cancellara to the front"? Not me!
> Bike racing is tactical. That's why it helps to have good tactics,
> teammates up the road in the break, and so on. The strongest
> guy on the day doesn't always win if he's not in the right place,
> doesn't follow the right move, etc. If this bothers you, watch
> Ironman.
"And then the lecture". You offer no needed instruction on the basics
to me, sir.
> This isn't some kind of drama where Vaughters is going
> around doing people dirt, like the petty thing with Hincapie.
This is some kind of drama where it's a damn good thing to *not* go
around making enemies. The "thing" with Hincapie was not "petty" by a
very, very long shot. Have we forgotten that Vaughters himself decided
he (Vaughters) was not man enough for the Tour? Start there, and think
what it must be like, following that painful self-realization, to gaze
upon one such as George Hincapie. (or, he --Vaughters-- could have
arranged to let Hincapie get that time in Yellow, and even
congratulated him, instead of coming up with mealy-mouthed "time gap"
excuses)
> If you want to hold a grudge against him for that, feel free.
Grudge? How about character assessment?
> For all I know, he is an asshole and kicks puppies
I think he's way too sensitive to actually kick puppies
>, but
> his team was in the right places on Sunday. Any other
> DS with half a brain would have tried to do the same.
Unfounded assertion.
> If Hushovd had helped Cancellara up to the front group,
> he would have been chasing down his own teammate.
> When people do that, it's not even called "negative" racing.
> It's usually called selfish.
That amounts to putting words in my mouth, that "helping Cancellara"
stuff. I never said he should "help Cancellara". I said he should
have, ideally, found a way to beat him on the line, with his superior
Green Jersey sprint, while wearing the Rainbow Jersey.
IOW, ride like a champion, instead of a team worker.
--D-y
== 5 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 11:39 am
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<cecd6219-e08e-4284-8671-adc17e33dc2f@a17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
--D-y <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote:
> I have seen words to this effect: "Big races need big winners". You
> might consider that. "Van Summer-who?" IOW, how many small riders can
> a Monument stand? Shall we have this sort of thing happen often?
You want fixed races.
--
Old Fritz
== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 11:50 am
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<b13c68c8-6737-4175-b421-1d56626a0cc8@l6g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
--D-y <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote:
> "Best rider"? Cancellara can be said to be the "best" on that day,
> which is not to take anything away from Van Summeren's efforts and
> seizing the moment, if it was his choice to do so. IMHO
Van Summeren saw the victory and took it. Cancellara
lost. Nobody denies that you may publicly award style
points. Most people's quibble is with you saying style
points matter more than what happened, your emotional
attachment to what should have been, and saying that
various riders and directors acted incorrectly in
failing to generate the outcome you wanted.
--
Old Fritz
== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 12:45 pm
From: Simply Fred
Frederick the Great wrote:
> Nobody denies that you may publicly award style
> points. Most people's quibble is with you saying style
> points matter more than what happened,
On rbr style points are everything.
== 8 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 1:19 pm
From: --D-y
On Apr 12, 1:39 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <cecd6219-e08e-4284-8671-adc17e33d...@a17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > I have seen words to this effect: "Big races need big winners". You
> > might consider that. "Van Summer-who?" IOW, how many small riders can
> > a Monument stand? Shall we have this sort of thing happen often?
>
> You want fixed races.
Oh my God. Read "Dog in a Hat". Or "The Sweat of the Gods".
Call *me* a "newbie"????
No, I want the big boys to race like big boys. Cancellara did.
--D-y
== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 1:21 pm
From: --D-y
On Apr 12, 1:50 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <b13c68c8-6737-4175-b421-1d56626a0...@l6g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > "Best rider"? Cancellara can be said to be the "best" on that day,
> > which is not to take anything away from Van Summeren's efforts and
> > seizing the moment, if it was his choice to do so. IMHO
>
> Van Summeren saw the victory and took it. Cancellara
> lost. Nobody denies that you may publicly award style
> points. Most people's quibble is with you saying style
> points matter more than what happened, your emotional
> attachment to what should have been, and saying that
> various riders and directors acted incorrectly in
> failing to generate the outcome you wanted.
What in the world is a "style point"?
Apparently you don't know what the "outcome I wanted" was. You could
offer a guess. No no, that's OK, you first...
--D-y
== 10 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 1:33 pm
From: sam
In article <541ccc5b-fa6d-4e5b-b567-
de2a1484503d@k7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, dustoyevsky@mac.com says...
>
> On Apr 12, 1:39 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <cecd6219-e08e-4284-8671-adc17e33d...@a17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > I have seen words to this effect: "Big races need big winners". You
> > > might consider that. "Van Summer-who?" IOW, how many small riders can
> > > a Monument stand? Shall we have this sort of thing happen often?
> >
> > You want fixed races.
>
> Oh my God. Read "Dog in a Hat". Or "The Sweat of the Gods".
> Call *me* a "newbie"????
>
> No, I want the big boys to race like big boys. Cancellara did.
> --D-y
In the interviews, Cancellara himself acknowledged the appropriateness
of the other teams' tactics. Why can't you?
s
== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 2:34 pm
From: sam
In article <bnme78-0l5.ln1@donaldm.homeip.net>, none@mailinator.com
says...
>
> Frederick the Great wrote:
> > Nobody denies that you may publicly award style
> > points. Most people's quibble is with you saying style
> > points matter more than what happened,
>
> On rbr style points are everything.
Panache.
s
== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 3:34 pm
From: Michael Press
In article
<598663ed-2bc6-44a2-8fea-34ead946bc2e@t19g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
--D-y <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 1:50 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <b13c68c8-6737-4175-b421-1d56626a0...@l6g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > "Best rider"? Cancellara can be said to be the "best" on that day,
> > > which is not to take anything away from Van Summeren's efforts and
> > > seizing the moment, if it was his choice to do so. IMHO
> >
> > Van Summeren saw the victory and took it. Cancellara
> > lost. Nobody denies that you may publicly award style
> > points. Most people's quibble is with you saying style
> > points matter more than what happened, your emotional
> > attachment to what should have been, and saying that
> > various riders and directors acted incorrectly in
> > failing to generate the outcome you wanted.
>
> What in the world is a "style point"?
The rainbow jersey or an equivalent star should win the monuments.
> Apparently you don't know what the "outcome I wanted" was.
Define 'know'. You said what you wanted and I took you
at your word.
> You could
> offer a guess. No no, that's OK, you first...
--
Michael Press
== 13 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 3:38 pm
From: --D-y
On Apr 12, 3:33 pm, sam <sams...@nospam.nospam> wrote:
> In article <541ccc5b-fa6d-4e5b-b567-
> de2a14845...@k7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, dustoyev...@mac.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 1:39 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <cecd6219-e08e-4284-8671-adc17e33d...@a17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > I have seen words to this effect: "Big races need big winners". You
> > > > might consider that. "Van Summer-who?" IOW, how many small riders can
> > > > a Monument stand? Shall we have this sort of thing happen often?
>
> > > You want fixed races.
>
> > Oh my God. Read "Dog in a Hat". Or "The Sweat of the Gods".
> > Call *me* a "newbie"????
>
> > No, I want the big boys to race like big boys. Cancellara did.
> > --D-y
>
> In the interviews, Cancellara himself acknowledged the appropriateness
> of the other teams' tactics. Why can't you?
"Could", but 1) Don't have to; 2) Don't want to; and 3) You can't make
me.
Not to mention, the Cancellara output I saw didn't contain any
"Rainbow Jersey" context. Doesn't matter one way or the other,
however; I'm just calling it the way I see it. You don't have to
agree...
--D-y
== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 3:38 pm
From: Michael Press
In article
<541ccc5b-fa6d-4e5b-b567-de2a1484503d@k7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
--D-y <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 1:39 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <cecd6219-e08e-4284-8671-adc17e33d...@a17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > I have seen words to this effect: "Big races need big winners". You
> > > might consider that. "Van Summer-who?" IOW, how many small riders can
> > > a Monument stand? Shall we have this sort of thing happen often?
> >
> > You want fixed races.
>
> Oh my God. Read "Dog in a Hat". Or "The Sweat of the Gods".
> Call *me* a "newbie"????
>
> No, I want the big boys to race like big boys. Cancellara did.
You are the only one saying they did not;
and other positions are as well supported as yours.
--
Michael Press
== 15 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 3:46 pm
From: --D-y
On Apr 12, 4:34 pm, sam <sams...@nospam.nospam> wrote:
> In article <bnme78-0l5....@donaldm.homeip.net>, n...@mailinator.com
> says...
>
>
>
> > Frederick the Great wrote:
> > > Nobody denies that you may publicly award style
> > > points. Most people's quibble is with you saying style
> > > points matter more than what happened,
>
> > On rbr style points are everything.
>
> Panache.
From Wiki:
(quote):
Panache is a word of French origin that carries the connotation of a
flamboyant manner and reckless courage.
The literal translation is a plume, such as is worn on a hat or a
helmet, but the reference is to King Henry IV of France. Pleasure-
loving and cynical, but a brave military leader and the best-loved of
the kings of France, he was famed for wearing a striking white plume
in his helmet and for his war cry: "Follow my white plume!" (Fr.
"Ralliez-vous à mon panache blanc!"). (end quote)
Scuse me while I don't bother to go look it up, but "style" is gonna
fall way short of "panache".
Cancellara, panache. Van Summeren, panache in a great big heapin'
helping, considering his career results up to this last Sunday.
Full admiration for being able to keep himself together and get it
over the line when it counted for about as much as a race could
possibly count for! For once, all team responsibilities placed square
on his shoulders, and time to capital-D Deliver!
I said before, no beef with VS!
--D-y
== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 3:46 pm
From: --D-y
On Apr 12, 5:34 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <598663ed-2bc6-44a2-8fea-34ead946b...@t19g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 12, 1:50 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <b13c68c8-6737-4175-b421-1d56626a0...@l6g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > "Best rider"? Cancellara can be said to be the "best" on that day,
> > > > which is not to take anything away from Van Summeren's efforts and
> > > > seizing the moment, if it was his choice to do so. IMHO
>
> > > Van Summeren saw the victory and took it. Cancellara
> > > lost. Nobody denies that you may publicly award style
> > > points. Most people's quibble is with you saying style
> > > points matter more than what happened, your emotional
> > > attachment to what should have been, and saying that
> > > various riders and directors acted incorrectly in
> > > failing to generate the outcome you wanted.
>
> > What in the world is a "style point"?
>
> The rainbow jersey or an equivalent star should win the monuments.
>
> > Apparently you don't know what the "outcome I wanted" was.
>
> Define 'know'. You said what you wanted and I took you
> at your word.
>
> > You could
> > offer a guess. No no, that's OK, you first...
>
> --
> Michael Press
Define "define".
--D-y
== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 8:46 pm
From: Fred
On Apr 12, 5:38 pm, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 3:33 pm, sam <sams...@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <541ccc5b-fa6d-4e5b-b567-
> > de2a14845...@k7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, dustoyev...@mac.com says...
>
> > > On Apr 12, 1:39 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <cecd6219-e08e-4284-8671-adc17e33d...@a17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > > --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > > I have seen words to this effect: "Big races need big winners". You
> > > > > might consider that. "Van Summer-who?" IOW, how many small riders can
> > > > > a Monument stand? Shall we have this sort of thing happen often?
>
> > > > You want fixed races.
>
> > > Oh my God. Read "Dog in a Hat". Or "The Sweat of the Gods".
> > > Call *me* a "newbie"????
>
> > > No, I want the big boys to race like big boys. Cancellara did.
> > > --D-y
>
> > In the interviews, Cancellara himself acknowledged the appropriateness
> > of the other teams' tactics. Why can't you?
>
> "Could", but 1) Don't have to; 2) Don't want to; and 3) You can't make
> me.
>
> Not to mention, the Cancellara output I saw didn't contain any
> "Rainbow Jersey" context. Doesn't matter one way or the other,
> however; I'm just calling it the way I see it. You don't have to
> agree...
> --D-y
Have you read: http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/4/12/2107346/the-subtlety-of-tactics-paris-roubaix-tidbit
After having done so, come back and tell us whether you think JV and
his team did anything wrong.
Fred
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TOPIC: Strickland Believes Armstrong Doped
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/34cecfc8883d1398?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 8:23 am
From: BL
On 4/11/2011 6:47 PM, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> "BL" <BL@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:296dnR8VsM8kJDzQnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On 4/8/2011 4:56 PM, derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Apr 6, 1:05 pm, BL<B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is that *the* issue? It may be your issue, but it isn't everyone's
>>>> issue.
>>>
>>> are you trying to say that you "have issues"? Tell us something we
>>> don't already know.
>> Everyone has issues, FuckTard.
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Not to the degree which you do.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Now that's funny, coming from you.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 4:06 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"
"BL" <BL@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:-IydnSfa4cX78znQnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> Not to the degree which you do.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Now that's funny, coming from you.
Dumbass -
That's right. I only participate in rbr for one thing. To talk about LANCE.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
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TOPIC: [OT: Character Settings in posts]
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/76160ba396f50d90?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 12:26 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article <8762qkz2zh.fsf@azurservers.com>,
Davey Crockett <rec@azurservers.com> wrote:
> Frederick the Great a écrit profondement:
>
>
> | Looks perfect to me. If you want to experiment some more
> | here is what I use and find satisfactory:
> |
> | Mime-Version: 1.0
> | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> |
>
> I did do quite a bit of testing and it all seems to work well now.
>
> The problem lies in the more recent versions of Emacs I think
>
> By the way, I thought that UTF-8 was by definition an 8-bit
> Content-Transfer-Encoding?
It is. However An ASCII octet stream is a valid UTF-8
octet stream, and both are decoded to the same
characters. If an octet has the high bit unset, then it
is an ASCII character. UTF-8 is a good way to transmit
Unicode. This will explain much in a very clear
fashion.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Design>
> 7-bit US-ASCII is actually the de facto standard for internet mail as not all
> MTAs (Mail Transfer Agents) can handle 8-bit and in any instance no
> encodibg/decoding takes place in UTF-8 -- It simply permits the use of
> 8-bit chrs.
>
> I see you are actually using 8-bit too unless, as does happen all too
> frequently, somone is rewriting them along the way.
Right, I was wrong. Sorry for the confusion. I do not
actually compose my headers, but select MIME and UTF-8.
The newsreader inserts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
or CTE: 8bit as necessary. When my message is entirely
ASCII, it goes out with CTE: 7bit. When I put in
characters outside ASCII, it is CTE: 8bit.
> Here's your headers as I received them:
>
> [QUOTE].
> Path:eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net
> !news.albasani.net!.POSTED!rubrum
> From: Frederick the Great <rubrum@pacbell.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
> Subject: Re: [OT: Character Settings in posts]
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:49:04 -0700
> Organization: Holy Roller Empire
> Message-ID: <rubrum-B1C9B4.11490411042011@news.albasani.net>
> References: <87r599d8i3.fsf@azurservers.com>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> X-Trace: <LONG LINE TRUNCATED>
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:49:05 +0000 (UTC)
> Injection-Info: <LONG LINE TRUNCATED>
> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (Intel Mac OS X)
> Cancel-Lock: sha1:qnJbmewr+LHZhWnEgAAPXnAdjUU=
> [/QUOTE].
--
Old Fritz
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 12:58 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:09:26 AM UTC-7, Anton Berlin wrote:
> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8055/Thor-Hushovd-The-team-is-racing-one-hundred-percent-for-me-on-Sunday.aspx
>
> Much of what makes the Garmin-Cervelo roster so impressive is the fact
> that it contains so many potential winners, highlighted of course by
> World Champion, Thor Hushovd, Heinrich Haussler, and Tyler Farrar,
> Sunday's Paris-Roubaix, however, will see a different look for the
> team of Jonathan Vaughters.
>
> "The team is racing one hundred percent for me on Sunday," says Thor
> Hushovd to VG Nett. "We are agreed on that."
I don't think he was being deceptive, except to the extent that proper team tactics routinely involve putting a low-percentage rider out front where he presents just enough danger to force other teams to work.
In this case, the strategy nearly paid off for Hushovd: as far as I can tell from the race write-ups, van Summeren didn't initiate the move at sector 5, he just followed Bak and two others. He surely worked in that group of four, but decisively what he did was put himself in a crucial break at the very moment when his teammate Thor was drafting Cancellara to the front. At that point, there was very little JvS could do to directly help Thor, but he could force Cancellara to work even harder to catch the break, which was perfect for a theoretical finish in which Cancellara and Thor made it to the end together, and JvS' presence in the break meant Thor had zero need to work with the TTist.
Even after all those team tactics, Cancellara was still strong enough to come within 20s of JvS, and Thor rolled in not far behind. It looks to me like the plan was for Thor to draft Fabian to the finish, on the very good chance that Cancellara would overtake van Summeren, and the only part that didn't go according to plan was that van Summeren rode out of his mind.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 8:53 pm
From: Fred
On Apr 12, 2:58 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Even after all those team tactics, Cancellara was still strong enough to come within 20s of >JvS, and Thor rolled in not far behind. It looks to me like the plan was for Thor to draft >Fabian to the finish, on the very good chance that Cancellara would overtake van >Summeren, and the only part that didn't go according to plan was that van Summeren rode >out of his mind.
Yeah, I mean, who would expect that a guy w/ a previous 10th and 5th
place result would finish so strongly?
Fred
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TOPIC: Lance Armstrong
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 5:04 pm
From: Jute Andre
It has been revealed by anonymous sources that Lance Armstrong has
been banging his mother because his girlfriend doesn't look enough
like his mother.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 5:37 pm
From: Deak
On Apr 12, 8:04 pm, Jute Andre <jutean...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It has been revealed by anonymous sources that Lance Armstrong has
> been banging his mother because his girlfriend doesn't look enough
> like his mother.
1 on a scale of 10.
(I believe that Armstrong never provably doped, in terms of the letter
of the law. He just stayed one step ahead of what was banned or
detectable.
Either that, or he was a brilliant cheat, or else incredibly lucky. )
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 12 2011 5:54 pm
From: Davey Crockett
Jute Andre a écrit profondement:
| It has been revealed by anonymous sources that Lance Armstrong has
| been banging his mother because his girlfriend doesn't look enough
| like his mother.
Careful Sport
That's pretty serious stuff
-
Davey
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The notion that governments derive their only just authority from
the consent of the governed is a foundational principle of the
American experiment.
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