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Today's topics:
* Not a good day for the Rainbow Jersey - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b49f1e65d62cb05b?hl=en
* Last resort TV - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/276352844c26db8b?hl=en
* Take bets on Novitsky vs Armstrong (re: NY Times article) - 9 messages, 5
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c5386ec3a7d9fd30?hl=en
* pre-race - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/35982e546874d822?hl=en
* talking - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/05cf509bce0441ae?hl=en
* I hate Gilbert - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf61da5fe88fc021?hl=en
* Vuelta a Castilla y Leon, stage 5 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/989b41f51da85d43?hl=en
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TOPIC: Not a good day for the Rainbow Jersey
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b49f1e65d62cb05b?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 16 2011 9:39 pm
From: --D-y
On Apr 16, 5:48 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are we still beating this dead horse?
The horse lives.
> I never heard the phrase "Big races need big winners."
> Now that I have heard it, I think it's stupid in this context
> (and I don't care if it turns out to have been originated by
> Eddy Fucking Merckx, although I'll bet not).
Welcome to the world of those who have heard BRNBW.
You're welcome to your opinion.
I never said or thought it was originated by EM.
> You could equally well say that big races make big winners.
How the winners get big is the thing.
> Anybody capable of winning Paris-Roubaix is a rider of
> quality. Maybe van Summeren deserves more respect
> than you're giving him.
Please show me where I have shown VS a speck of disrespect.
For one thing, remember I'm one of the Hincapie Defenders (the only
one?) here who, instead of crucifying GH because he doesn't win big
races, has a real-world appreciation of what has been quite a career
for George. Team captain with Armstrong for the TdF wins, and then a
complete and completely successful change of role to be leadout man
for Cavendish (who might well have won at least one Green Jersey by
now except for an arguably (not really arguably, complete) bullshit
complaint by you-know-who.
>
> Frederic Guesdon won P-R in 1997 and not much since,
> and I haven't heard anyone suggest he didn't deserve it
> or should give back his cobble.
You never heard me say anything negative about FG or VS, other than to
call VS a team rider, which he undeniably has been for ten years.
> Remember the 2005 Tour when The George Hincapie got
> into a break on the super-big mountain stage, they got a
> big gap, and (IIRC) he partially sat on the break (he was
> protecting a team leader, after all), and he won the big
> mountain stage? There were people who grumbled that
> it was inappropriate for a break of non-mountain specialists
> to stay away due to the favorites not chasing, or for
> Hincapie to win the stage since he wasn't a super climber.
> I thought the criticisms of a winner determined partly by
> tactics were idiotic, and still do. What's your opinion now?
My opinion remains the same IRT "Bad Day for the Rainbow Jersey".
Any time someone sits on and wins, you're going to hear criticism.
Sean Kelly v. Argentin, MSR? Tough toenails, Marino! But some didn't
see it that way.
The criticism of GH for winning the mountain stage (2005, St. Lary
Soulan finish) I heard had to do with the certainty some had that GH
only won with the help of banned performance-enhancing substances. I'm
sure there was "other", at the time, IRT "opportunism".
In fact Pereiro apologized the day following for remarks he made right
after the race. Well done; "that's bike racing!".
--D-y
> Fredmaster Ben
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 9:11 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 4/16/2011 5:48 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> What's your opinion now?
I think he'll dig a hole to China before conceding a
point. You may as well be asking him if John Howard
had any role in the lawsuit that brought lawyer lip
forks to the US. Even John Howard disagrees with him
on that one.
Fred Flintstein
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 9:31 am
From: RicodJour
On Apr 17, 12:39 am, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> My opinion remains the same IRT "Bad Day for the Rainbow Jersey".
There's a surprise.
You're big on the acronyms, so in future, when people are pointing out
that your particular viewpoint is your particular viewpoint, please
respond with MORTS. It will save a lot of wasted pixels. Thanks.
R
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 1:01 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<021452dc-4c93-41ba-9f15-d816fe3401e8@t19g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 8:44 am, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 11:45 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't get this whole "let a minor rider win" and "honor the
> > > Rainbow Jersey" opera you are conducting.
> >
> > I have seen words to this effect: "Big races need big winners". You
> > might consider that. "Van Summer-who?" IOW, how many small riders can
> > a Monument stand? Shall we have this sort of thing happen often?
> > Really?
> > No, the small races are given to the small riders. And "The Jerseys",
> > (again) very important "trophies" awarded for great deeds, are honored
> > with further accomplishments-- far different from "riding stupid". No,
> > it was for Vaughters & Co. to figure out a way to get Hushovd over the
> > line first. This "anyone on my team can win" is Cat III Wednesday
> > Night Criterium Series stuff.
> >
> > Damn, no wonder Cancellara could walk proud up to the second spot on
> > the podium.
>
> Are we still beating this dead horse?
Dead horses require big sticks.
<http://unix.sjcc.edu/DeadHorse.htm>
--
Old Fritz
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 1:28 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Apr 17, 9:11 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 4/16/2011 5:48 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>
> > What's your opinion now?
>
> I think he'll dig a hole to China before conceding a
> point. You may as well be asking him if John Howard
> had any role in the lawsuit that brought lawyer lip
> forks to the US. Even John Howard disagrees with him
> on that one.
>
> Fred Flintstein
Thanks. On rbr, you know, it's the journey not
the destination - because trying to win arguments on
the Internet is, err, like trying to fix a flat tube by
pumping it and riding it ("I only have to go another
half mile, maybe it will hold").
Actually, I am CTO of a new sustainable energy startup.
We're extracting geothermal energy from holes people
dig on the Internet. That's why SoTS pays me to post here.
Fredmaster Ben
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 5:14 pm
From: --D-y
On Apr 17, 11:31 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 17, 12:39 am, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > My opinion remains the same IRT "Bad Day for the Rainbow Jersey".
>
> There's a surprise.
>
> You're big on the acronyms, so in future, when people are pointing out
> that your particular viewpoint is your particular viewpoint, please
> respond with MORTS. It will save a lot of wasted pixels. Thanks.
>
> R
I don't remember a word of "pointing out anything about my particular
viewpoint being my particular viewpoint" until your post.
Um, I started the thread, and I didn't say "I heard so-and-so say it
was a bad day for the Rainbow Jersey and I agree with him", so I guess
you could say this viewpoint is something where I reacted to the race
I saw on American TV and some Euro feed. Again, where no one said (as
far as I heard, BDFTRJ.
"MORTS" didn't come up with a seemingly applicable meaning in a quick
google search, so, since I really don't want to read your mind in the
first place, and don't want to waste time (far more valuable than
recyclable pixels), would you like to give the meaning for what you've
spelled out?
Like I said, you don't have to agree. Makes no difference to me, and
don't have a cow, OK?
--D-y
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TOPIC: Last resort TV
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/276352844c26db8b?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 2:45 am
From: ilan
This website doesn't believe in daylight time?
-ilan
On Apr 17, 5:18 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
> Coming up tomorrow
>
> Times are CET == GMT+1
>
> 13:00 - 17:50 ASO/UCI Cycling Vuelta Ciclista a Castilla y Leon
> 13:00 - 17:50 ASO/UCI Cycling Vuelta Ciclista a Castilla y Leon
> 14:15 - 17:30 ASO/UCI Cycling Amstel Gold Race
> 14:15 - 16:45 ASO/UCI Cycling Vuelta Ciclista a Castilla y Leon
> 15:00 - 17:15 ASO/UCI Cycling Coupe de France
>
> http://www.fromsportcom.com/c-9.html
>
> --
> Davey --
> Don't wait for the Shrimp boats Momma.
> I'm coming home with the crabs....
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 2:52 am
From: Simply Fred
On 04/17/11 11:45, ilan wrote:
> This website doesn't believe in daylight time?
Its on Mercury.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 6:36 am
From: Davey Crockett
ilan a écrit profondement:
| This website doesn't believe in daylight time?
apparently not
--Davey
--
Je me Souviens
When Britain's parks weren't full of Gypsies, Hookers,
Gang Bangers, Panhandlers, Junkies and Drug Dealers.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 6:11 am
From: Davey Crockett
ilan a �crit profondement:
| This website doesn't believe in daylight time?
What's an hour or so ilan?
Besides the actual date of implementation of DST varies from Country to
Country.
I would imgine that CET is as easy to use for a base as any, given that
the tifosi are scattered around this soon to be barren rock and some of
them surprisingly, have IQ's in excess of Double Digits,
Incidentally, the Vuelta just fired up a Coupla minutes ago
Now if some Wanker is in the East coast of La-La land, he can easily
compute that his aadjustment is 6 Hours by taking the algebraic sum of
of the two offsets from GMT.
I actually posted this as a Public Service for anyone who couldn't find
coverage anywhere else. It's here for the Needy - Not the Greedy ;) ;)
Since it offends you, I shall refrain from similar Posts inthe Future.
Davey would hate to unintentionally offend anybody ;) ;)
--
Davey --
Je me Souviens
When Britain's parks weren't full of Gypsies, Hookers,
Gang Bangers, Panhandlers, Junkies and Drug Dealers.
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TOPIC: Take bets on Novitsky vs Armstrong (re: NY Times article)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c5386ec3a7d9fd30?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 2:49 am
From: ilan
On Apr 16, 10:54 pm, Deak <del...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/04/16/sports/AP-Tim-Dahlberg-041...
>
> Choices are:
>
> Novitsky ...
>
> 1) drops the investigation
> 2) tries to pursue it, but is stopped by politicians or other powerful
> interests before getting an indictment
> 3) gets an indictment but jury refuses to convict
> 4) jury convicts on only the least serious charge
>
> I don't see how Armstrong is going to do jail time.
>
> from the times article:
>
> With Bonds Done, Should Armstrong Be NExt:
>
> "... If French authorities have a problem with him, fine, they're
> welcome to go after him. But for federal investigators to spend time
> and money chasing after Armstrong for things that allegedly happened
> years ago in France seems like a colossal waste of resources.
>
> "A Georgia congressman certainly thinks so. Rep. Jack Kingston slammed
> the Food and Drug Administration last month for spending "millions"
> investigating Armstrong and suggesting the agency was on a "one man
> tear" against the celebrity cyclist.
> ...
> "Chasing Armstrong and the ghosts of the past just seems like
> overkill. "
As an indication of the level of this investigation, they have
received from French authorities the frozen 1999 samples, which were
turned over by the athletes on the condition that they only be used
for research, and used by the laboratory under the condition of total
anonymity.
This is why you need a jury system, because even if it is approved by
a judge, the jury can decide that common sense dictates that it was an
incorrect decision.
-ilan
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 8:09 am
From: "Fred on a stick"
ilan wrote:
>
> As an indication of the level of this investigation, they have
> received from French authorities the frozen 1999 samples, which were
> turned over by the athletes on the condition that they only be used
> for research, and used by the laboratory under the condition of total
> anonymity.
As I pointed out in 2005 when that L'Equipe article was written, the way the
AFLD results for the 1999 samples were displayed de-anonymized the results
and would have been useless for the research purpose they claimed.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 11:45 am
From: ilan
On Apr 17, 5:09 pm, "Fred on a stick"
<anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> ilan wrote:
>
> > As an indication of the level of this investigation, they have
> > received from French authorities the frozen 1999 samples, which were
> > turned over by the athletes on the condition that they only be used
> > for research, and used by the laboratory under the condition of total
> > anonymity.
>
> As I pointed out in 2005 when that L'Equipe article was written, the way the
> AFLD results for the 1999 samples were displayed de-anonymized the results
> and would have been useless for the research purpose they claimed.
Since you are using a pseudonym to make yourself anonymous, your
expression "As I pointed out in 2005" has no value, especially if you
were using another pseudonym at the time.
-ilan
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 12:05 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"
"Davey Crockett" <rec@azurservers.com> wrote in message
news:87fwphkc2e.fsf@azurservers.com...
> | I don't see how Armstrong is going to do jail time.
>>
> Remember the Cooking Lady, Martha Stewart (?)
>
> Remember the Mayor of Chicago?
>
> The charges against them didn't stick either.
>
> BUT they nailed them on lying to the investigators.
Dumbass -
Did they depose LANCE?
If they did, I'll bet he just invoked his Fifth Amendment Rights. He was
lawyered up the whole time.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 1:07 pm
From: Simply Fred
Fred on a stick wrote:
>> As I pointed out in 2005 when that L'Equipe article was written, the way the
>> AFLD results for the 1999 samples were displayed de-anonymized the results
>> and would have been useless for the research purpose they claimed.
ilan wrote:
> Since you are using a pseudonym to make yourself anonymous, your
> expression "As I pointed out in 2005" has no value, especially if you
> were using another pseudonym at the time.
He edited the wikipeadia entry.
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 1:23 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Apr 17, 11:45 am, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 17, 5:09 pm, "Fred on a stick"
> <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> > ilan wrote:
>
> > > As an indication of the level of this investigation, they have
> > > received from French authorities the frozen 1999 samples, which were
> > > turned over by the athletes on the condition that they only be used
> > > for research, and used by the laboratory under the condition of total
> > > anonymity.
>
> > As I pointed out in 2005 when that L'Equipe article was written, the way the
> > AFLD results for the 1999 samples were displayed de-anonymized the results
> > and would have been useless for the research purpose they claimed.
>
> Since you are using a pseudonym to make yourself anonymous, your
> expression "As I pointed out in 2005" has no value, especially if you
> were using another pseudonym at the time.
>
> -ilan
It's OK - the AFLD has an index that de-anonymizes
everyone in RBR.
Fredmaster Ben
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 1:27 pm
From: "Fred on a stick"
ilan wrote:
> On Apr 17, 5:09 pm, "Fred on a stick"
> <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> ilan wrote:
>>
>>> As an indication of the level of this investigation, they have
>>> received from French authorities the frozen 1999 samples, which were
>>> turned over by the athletes on the condition that they only be used
>>> for research, and used by the laboratory under the condition of
>>> total anonymity.
>>
>> As I pointed out in 2005 when that L'Equipe article was written, the
>> way the AFLD results for the 1999 samples were displayed
>> de-anonymized the results and would have been useless for the
>> research purpose they claimed.
>
> Since you are using a pseudonym to make yourself anonymous, your
> expression "As I pointed out in 2005" has no value, especially if you
> were using another pseudonym at the time.
>
> -ilan
Whoops. Sorry, I completely forgot I was posting pseudonymously. And you're
right: back in 2005 I think I was posting under the pseudonym "Heather
Halvorson."
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 1:27 pm
From: "Fred on a stick"
ilan wrote:
> On Apr 17, 5:09 pm, "Fred on a stick"
> <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> ilan wrote:
>>
>>> As an indication of the level of this investigation, they have
>>> received from French authorities the frozen 1999 samples, which were
>>> turned over by the athletes on the condition that they only be used
>>> for research, and used by the laboratory under the condition of
>>> total anonymity.
>>
>> As I pointed out in 2005 when that L'Equipe article was written, the
>> way the AFLD results for the 1999 samples were displayed
>> de-anonymized the results and would have been useless for the
>> research purpose they claimed.
>
> Since you are using a pseudonym to make yourself anonymous, your
> expression "As I pointed out in 2005" has no value, especially if you
> were using another pseudonym at the time.
>
> -ilan
Whoops. Sorry, I completely forgot I was posting pseudonymously. And you're
right: back in 2005 I think I was posting under the pseudonym "Heather
Halvorson."
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 1:51 pm
From: ilan
On Apr 17, 10:27 pm, "Fred on a stick"
<anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> ilan wrote:
> > On Apr 17, 5:09 pm, "Fred on a stick"
> > <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >> ilan wrote:
>
> >>> As an indication of the level of this investigation, they have
> >>> received from French authorities the frozen 1999 samples, which were
> >>> turned over by the athletes on the condition that they only be used
> >>> for research, and used by the laboratory under the condition of
> >>> total anonymity.
>
> >> As I pointed out in 2005 when that L'Equipe article was written, the
> >> way the AFLD results for the 1999 samples were displayed
> >> de-anonymized the results and would have been useless for the
> >> research purpose they claimed.
>
> > Since you are using a pseudonym to make yourself anonymous, your
> > expression "As I pointed out in 2005" has no value, especially if you
> > were using another pseudonym at the time.
>
> > -ilan
>
> Whoops. Sorry, I completely forgot I was posting pseudonymously. And you're
> right: back in 2005 I think I was posting under the pseudonym "Heather
> Halvorson."
That pseudonym is almost as ridiculous as "Ilan Vardi."
-ilan
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TOPIC: pre-race
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/35982e546874d822?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 5:02 am
From: Andre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lENhbv4wHBs&NR=1
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TOPIC: talking
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/05cf509bce0441ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 5:10 am
From: Andre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZgV7NNUlzo&feature=related
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TOPIC: I hate Gilbert
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf61da5fe88fc021?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 9:16 am
From: Fred Flintstein
Sean Kelly and I were all set to rip him a new
one for doing so much work in chasing down
Schleck. And then he goes and wins the race
like a champion anyway. WTF!
Fred Flintstein
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 11:46 am
From: Uncle Dave
On Apr 17, 5:16 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> Sean Kelly and I were all set to rip him a new
> one for doing so much work in chasing down
> Schleck. And then he goes and wins the race
> like a champion anyway. WTF!
I've always found Sean Kelly informative - I think the "new" guy is
better at getting useful information out of him than Duffers was - but
I was surprised he said that. At that stage of the race, if you want
to win it you have to go for it one way or another. Nobody else was
going to do the work so Gilbert's choice was either chase or be
damned. He evidently knew what he was doing! Pretty impressive stuff.
UD
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 1:30 pm
From: Fred Flintstein
On 4/17/2011 1:46 PM, Uncle Dave wrote:
> On Apr 17, 5:16 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> Sean Kelly and I were all set to rip him a new
>> one for doing so much work in chasing down
>> Schleck. And then he goes and wins the race
>> like a champion anyway. WTF!
>
> I've always found Sean Kelly informative - I think the "new" guy is
> better at getting useful information out of him than Duffers was - but
> I was surprised he said that. At that stage of the race, if you want
> to win it you have to go for it one way or another. Nobody else was
> going to do the work so Gilbert's choice was either chase or be
> damned. He evidently knew what he was doing! Pretty impressive stuff.
>
> UD
Schleck lost over 30 seconds on the Cauberg. Although that
is a hindsight view, in hindsight Kelly was correct that
Gilbert could have waited.
I bet if you studied races where a lead rider hits the
kite with a gap like Schleck had you'd find that most don't
win.
Fred Flintstein
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TOPIC: Vuelta a Castilla y Leon, stage 5 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/989b41f51da85d43?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 11:15 am
From: Bob Martin
Stage 5 : Apr 17, Madrigal de Las Altas Torres - Medina del Campo, 167.7 km
1 Ben Swift (GBr) Sky Procycling 3.30.00
2 Francisco Jose Ventoso Alberdi (Spa) Movistar Team
3 Ruben Perez Moreno (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
4 Theo Bos (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team
5 Manuel Belletti (Ita) Colnago - CSF Inox
6 Matteo Pelucchi (Ita) Geox-TMC
7 Joaquin Sobrino (Spa) Caja Rural
8 Diego Milan Jimenez (Spa) Caja Rural
9 Jon Aberasturi Izaga (Spa) Orbea Continental
10 Manuel Anton (Spa) Burgos 2016 - Castilla y Leon
Changes in GC, stage 5 compared to stage 4 :
Biggest gainers by position :
+3 Richie Porte
+3 Ludovic Turpin
+3 Jose Luis Roldan Carmona
+3 David Gutierrez Gutierrez
+3 Carlos Verona Quintanilla
+3 Benjamin Noval Gonzalez
+2 Theo Bos
+2 Ruben Perez Moreno
+2 Ruben Jimenez Ventosa
+2 Pascual Orengo Lopez
Biggest losers by position :
-6 Yannick Talabardon
-4 Alex Dowsett
-3 Carlos Oyarzun
-3 David De La Cruz Melgarejo
-2 Antonio Filipe Oliveira Amorim
-2 Carlos Sastre Candil
-2 Giovanni Baez Alvarez
-2 Marcel Wyss
-2 Pierre Cazaux
-2 Sergio Pardilla Bellon
-2 Stefano Pirazzi
Biggest gainers by time :
Biggest losers by time :
-1:34 Paolo Locatelli
-1:29 Alex Dowsett
-1:25 Yannick Talabardon
-1:07 Aritz Etxebarria
-0:41 Mikel Bizkarra
-0:33 Carlos Baltazar
-0:29 Peter Kennaugh
-0:15 Alberto Contador Velasco
-0:15 Alex Cano Ardila
-0:15 Antonio Filipe Oliveira Amorim
-0:15 Antonio Piedra Perez
Favourites by position :
+3 Richie Porte
+2 Luke Roberts
+1 Rui Miguel Sousa Barbosa
+1 Pablo Lastras Garcia
-1 Daniel Navarro Garcia
-1 Alberto Contador Velasco
-2 Carlos Sastre Candil
Favourites by time :
-0:15 Daniel Navarro Garcia
-0:15 Carlos Sastre Candil
-0:15 Alberto Contador Velasco
Top 10 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
1 Xavier Tondo Volpini 17:01:40 (unchanged)
2 Bauke Mollema 0:09 (unchanged)
3 Igor Anton Hernandez 0:17 (unchanged)
4 Domenico Pozzovivo 0:40 (unchanged)
5 Jerome Coppel 0:47 (unchanged)
6 Juan Pablo Suarez Suarez 0:47 (unchanged)
7 Dario David Cioni 0:54 (unchanged)
8 Ricardo Garcia Ambroa 0:58 (unchanged)
9 Juan Manuel Garate Cepa 0:59 (unchanged)
10 Laurens ten Dam 1:16 (unchanged)
.....
24 Alberto Contador Velasco 2:52 (was 23rd at 2:37)
.....
33 Pablo Lastras Garcia 5:15 (was 34th at 5:15)
.....
52 Carlos Sastre Candil 12:29 (was 50th at 12:14)
.....
58 Richie Porte 13:47 (was 61st at 13:47)
.....
60 Daniel Navarro Garcia 13:53 (was 59th at 13:38)
.....
68 Rui Miguel Sousa Barbosa 17:33 (was 69th at 17:33)
.....
75 Jonathan Hivert 20:45 (unchanged)
.....
81 Luke Roberts 24:58 (was 83rd at 24:58)
Top 10 on Points table with previous in parens:
1 Francisco Jose Ventoso Alberdi 70 (was 1st with 50 points)
2 Manuel Belletti 38 (was 6th with 26 points)
3 Bauke Mollema 34 (was 2nd with 34 points)
4 Ruben Perez Moreno 34 (was 12th with 18 points)
5 Alberto Contador Velasco 28 (was 3rd with 28 points)
6 Xavier Tondo Volpini 28 (was 4th with 28 points)
7 Russell Downing 28 (was 5th with 28 points)
8 Filippo Savini 25 (was 7th with 25 points)
9 Ben Swift 25 (was 0 points)
10 Igor Anton Hernandez 24 (was 8th with 24 points)
Top 10 on Mountains table with previous in parens:
1 Raul Alarcon Garcia 19 (unchanged)
2 Filippo Savini 10 (unchanged)
3 Bauke Mollema 8 (unchanged)
4 Domenico Pozzovivo 8 (unchanged)
5 Darwin Atapuma Hurtado 8 (unchanged)
6 Nairo Quintana Rojas 6 (unchanged)
7 Igor Anton Hernandez 5 (unchanged)
8 Giovanni Manuel Baez Alvarez 4 (unchanged)
9 Jaime Alberto Castaneda Ortega 4 (unchanged)
10 Noel Martin Infante 3 (unchanged)
Retirements to date : Stage
Aitor Galdos Alonso (Spa) Caja Rural 5 <<<
Marko Kump (Slo) Geox-TMC 5 <<<
Adrian Saez (Spa) Orbea Continental 4
Benat Urain Epelde (Spa) Orbea Continental 3
Ivan Ramiro Parra Pinto (Col) EPM - UNE 3
Mauricio Ortega Ramirez (Col) EPM - UNE 3
Miguel Minguez Ayala (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 3
Morris Possoni (Ita) Sky Procycling 3
Stef Clement (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 3
Cyril Bessy (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 2
David Belda Garcia (Spa) Burgos 2016 - Castilla Y Leon 2
Camilo AndrA�A�s SuA�A�rez AlbarracA�A�n (Col) Colombia es Pasion - Cafe de Col 1
David Tanner (Aus) Saxo Bank Sungard 1
Total retirements : 13
(This report can also be seen at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2)
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