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Today's topics:
* It's Not About the Dope - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a21165b2371b9093?hl=en
* LBL on Steephill - looks like the RTL link is the only one working so far -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/879cc601c26db690?hl=en
* GILBERT - SCHLECK - SCHLECK - 9 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/673621c365d91388?hl=en
* Anton to Lead Euskatel in Giro - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e32fab41941d9fb9?hl=en
* If you work and sleep the basement of Lance's bike shop - 4 messages, 4
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dc87ac0a10ed3551?hl=en
* This is moronic - "despite perfect tactics" - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/26ab5708c05fb871?hl=en
* Little 500 winner goes pro for Bissell - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0db723f855233dd4?hl=en
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TOPIC: It's Not About the Dope
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a21165b2371b9093?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 9:27 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"
On Apr 23, 2:16 pm, BL <B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> ROTFLMAO!!!
Rolling on the floor laughing your ass off is fucking gay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2kRnPuAqX0&feature=related
(and with 3 exclamations points it's triple-fucking-gay)
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 4:46 am
From: Simply Fred
BL wrote:
>> ROTFLMAO!!!
derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
> Rolling on the floor laughing your ass off is fucking gay.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2kRnPuAqX0&feature=related
>
> (and with 3 exclamations points it's triple-fucking-gay)
How do you know he hasn't posted it to youporn.com ?
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 4:53 am
From: Simply Fred
--D-y wrote:
> Let me see.. Italy... isn't that the country that forced Enzo Ferrari
> to defend himself against a manslaughter charge after a racing driver
> had an accident in one of his (Enzo's) racing cars?
> Yeah, way back in '57 and sparing further googlization, I seem to
> remember he had a hell of a time getting his name cleared, so to
> speak.
You don't need to go that far back:
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2395192/Senna-case-opened-again.html>
And Italy is the only country where they ban altitude tents. No wonder
Serie A sucks so bad the Bundesliga will be getting more champions
league places than Serie A next year.
Anyway if this is another Italian Job remake then we can expect to see
LANCE in one of those hideous overpriced BMW Mini's instead of a good
Texan SUV.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 6:28 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 4/23/2011 1:16 PM, BL wrote:
> The investigators have apparently studied where payments to Dr Ferrari originated from and have frozen some bank accounts and seized the money. There are also apparently traces of cash transfers from
> the USA to Ferrari in Switzerland.
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gazzetta-dello-sport-reveals-more-details-about-dr-ferrari-investigation
>
> You guys are such FuckTards, or should that be FuckDopes? ROTFLMAO!!!
Dumbass,
With 13 guys out front you have to wonder which big
riders will start to chase down a teammate. I understand
that's the smart and honorable strategy.
Fred Flintstein
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 10:29 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 4/23/2011 4:34 PM, Phil H wrote:
> To be more precise, it doesn't entirely need to be for doping
> products. Lance will have some splaining to do if it's any money
> transfered in the period of time after he ceased a professional
> relationship with Dr F. That's still a tall order by the way.
> Phil H
Just a reminder, this is a fraud investigation, not a doping
investigation. Paying someone for a doping program is not a
crime in the US. Nor does the US have sporting fraud laws,
like Italy does.
With respect to the fraud investigation, the money transfers
have to date from US Postal's sponsorship term. Otherwise
they're just whacking material for Laff.
Fred Flintstein
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 5:47 pm
From: Substance McGravitas
On 4/23/2011 11:16 AM, BL wrote:
> There are also apparently traces of cash transfers from the USA to
> Ferrari in Switzerland.
If this was via PayPal for something Ferrari sold on Ebay, Ferrari is
completely TOASTED. Those guys at Ebay have complete information about
everybody and everyone who ever lived AND everything that's ever
happened! Ferrari is DEAD MEAT because computers ARE MAGIC! Just wait
and see!
It'll be in the Wed. papers because this will all happen on Tuesday.
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TOPIC: LBL on Steephill - looks like the RTL link is the only one working so
far
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/879cc601c26db690?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 5:03 am
From: Anton Berlin
and the eurosport audio should come up in another 15 minutes.
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TOPIC: GILBERT - SCHLECK - SCHLECK
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/673621c365d91388?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 7:29 am
From: Anton Berlin
He made it look so easy - dope?
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 10:58 am
From: Fred
On Apr 24, 8:29 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> He made it look so easy - dope?
That Bolt guy, he makes it look easy too, wonder if he's doping?
Fred
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 12:04 pm
From: Anton Berlin
2005
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/cycling/article539978.ece
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 12:06 pm
From: Simply Fred
Anton Berlin wrote:
> He made it look so easy - dope?
Gruber II
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 12:08 pm
From: Fred
On Apr 24, 8:29 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> He made it look so easy - dope?
It only looked easy 'cause he was being double-teamed by the two most
incompetent non-sprinters in all of pro cycling. The Schleck brothers
have a lot of talent, but they have no killer instinct.
Fred
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 12:19 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On Apr 24, 2:08 pm, Fred <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 24, 8:29 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > He made it look so easy - dope?
>
> It only looked easy 'cause he was being double-teamed by the two most
> incompetent non-sprinters in all of pro cycling. The Schleck brothers
> have a lot of talent, but they have no killer instinct.
>
> Fred
Agreed - (see other post )
But it's really fucking hard to win a bike race - and now we have a
guy that takes the triple ? Last time we saw that was Davide Rebellin
- famous user of EPO and CERA and dq'd out of Beijing silver
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 12:37 pm
From: Fred
On Apr 24, 1:19 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2:08 pm, Fred <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 24, 8:29 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > He made it look so easy - dope?
>
> > It only looked easy 'cause he was being double-teamed by the two most
> > incompetent non-sprinters in all of pro cycling. The Schleck brothers
> > have a lot of talent, but they have no killer instinct.
>
> > Fred
>
> Agreed - (see other post )
>
> But it's really fucking hard to win a bike race - and now we have a
> guy that takes the triple ? Last time we saw that was Davide Rebellin
> - famous user of EPO and CERA and dq'd out of Beijing silver
Doesn't matter that Rebellin was doping, everyone else was, too,
remember??
Now that there's no more doping in pro cycling, it's still a level
playing field. (snicker)
Fred
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 9:26 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Apr 24, 12:19 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2:08 pm, Fred <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 24, 8:29 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > He made it look so easy - dope?
>
> > It only looked easy 'cause he was being double-teamed by the two most
> > incompetent non-sprinters in all of pro cycling. The Schleck brothers
> > have a lot of talent, but they have no killer instinct.
>
> > Fred
>
> Agreed - (see other post )
>
> But it's really fucking hard to win a bike race - and now we have a
> guy that takes the triple ? Last time we saw that was Davide Rebellin
> - famous user of EPO and CERA and dq'd out of Beijing silver
If only Vino's wheel hadn't exploded. Then he might have
won LBL, and since he'd prevent Gilbert from winning the triple,
we could have confidence that the winners are all clean.
Now that Novitsky has scared everyone straight, I expect
that this year we'll see some real suffering in the mountains.
Sincerely,
Fredmaster Ben
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 11:22 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"Fred" <fred.garvin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9e530a8c-0c79-4512-8055-952a8700b11a@p6g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 24, 8:29 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> He made it look so easy - dope?
====
It only looked easy 'cause he was being double-teamed by the two most
incompetent non-sprinters in all of pro cycling. The Schleck brothers
have a lot of talent, but they have no killer instinct.
Fred
====
"Killer instinct" may be a requirement for the Classics, but a GC
contender is going to benefit greatly from "talent." But talent still
has to be managed, and who is managing the Schlecks? If they'd been
properly managed, wouldn't they have put a high priority on time trial
performance? Recent results don't show that to be the case.
Day after day after day, Andy has shown he can be there, he can avoid
the big mistakes. But he's not going to do anything spectacular, and
he's not going to win any TTs, so he remains vulnerable to guys like
Alberto Contador and... well OK, not coming up with much of a list after
that!
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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TOPIC: Anton to Lead Euskatel in Giro
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e32fab41941d9fb9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 7:41 am
From: Anton Berlin
Eyegore Anton that is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIA4A3QRWCE
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/anton-to-lead-euskaltel-euskadi-in-giro-ditalia
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TOPIC: If you work and sleep the basement of Lance's bike shop
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dc87ac0a10ed3551?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 9:45 am
From: Anton Berlin
wouldn't it cause some problems for you to be this guy?
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 12:09 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<b4e43b61-8378-43b4-9fdf-04e1717328f6@j25g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:
> wouldn't it cause some problems for you to be this guy?
>
> http://www.universalsports.com/news-blogs/article/newsid=486757.html#report+former+armstrong+teammate+alleges+drug
I'm getting deja vu all over again.
Wasn't there another teammate said
the same thing last August?
--
Old Fritz
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 5:28 pm
From: Substance McGravitas
On 4/24/2011 12:09 PM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> In article
> <b4e43b61-8378-43b4-9fdf-04e1717328f6@j25g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> Anton Berlin<truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> wouldn't it cause some problems for you to be this guy?
>>
>> http://www.universalsports.com/news-blogs/article/newsid=486757.html#report+former+armstrong+teammate+alleges+drug
>
> I'm getting deja vu all over again.
> Wasn't there another teammate said
> the same thing last August?
>
Yeah, but THIS time it's the shit that will kill them.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 11:10 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"Substance McGravitas" <Fred@Burger.com> wrote in message
news:4db4c00e$1@news.x-privat.org...
> On 4/24/2011 12:09 PM, Frederick the Great wrote:
>> In article
>> <b4e43b61-8378-43b4-9fdf-04e1717328f6@j25g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
>> Anton Berlin<truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> wouldn't it cause some problems for you to be this guy?
>>>
>>> http://www.universalsports.com/news-blogs/article/newsid=486757.html#report+former+armstrong+teammate+alleges+drug
>>
>> I'm getting deja vu all over again.
>> Wasn't there another teammate said
>> the same thing last August?
>>
>
> Yeah, but THIS time it's the shit that will kill them.
This is the reason it might not stick-
"The former teammate said he detailed some of his own drug use to
investigators, even though he has never tested positive for performance
enhancing drugs or methods."
If I were Novitsky, I would be testing and retesting and then testing
again any remaining samples that might exist from this guy, hoping to
find something to back up his claims. It's ironic that the rider's
claims would go further if there was evidence he (the accusing rider)
had actually doped.
It is just so bizarre that, in a world full of phones that take photos
and record conversations (photos generally since 2002; memo/conversation
recording long before that), nobody has anything incriminating. Nobody
accidentally left a phone in record mode during a meeting, nobody took
any photos of doping paraphernalia on the sly. Look at all the stuff the
Enron guys did that got them nailed. Look at Nixon's tapes. Lots more
examples if you look for them, but nothing from cyclists?
Are people here going to now claim that pro cyclists are too intelligent
to do such things? That would be a first!
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com.
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TOPIC: This is moronic - "despite perfect tactics"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/26ab5708c05fb871?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 11:54 am
From: Anton Berlin
I didn't see a single attempt to use their 2 against 1 position.
How in the fuck can tempo riding be called "an attack" ?
The Schlecks just don't have the killer instinct.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 1:08 pm
From: --D-y
On Apr 24, 1:54 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/04/news/schlecks-say-they-did-wha...
>
> I didn't see a single attempt to use their 2 against 1 position.
> How in the fuck can tempo riding be called "an attack" ?
>
> The Schlecks just don't have the killer instinct.
Like two Boy Scouts helping a little old lady across the street...
Geeze. I mean, attack and fucking die, puke all over the street,
something!
--D-y
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TOPIC: Little 500 winner goes pro for Bissell
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0db723f855233dd4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 11:59 am
From: Anton Berlin
http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/04/news/fresh-off-little-500-win-eric-young-joins-bissell_169346
Ah the purity of amateur sport - now where the fuck did I leave that
Chariots of Fire LaserDisc ?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 9:45 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
The problem is the Little 5 is both brilliant and stupid. Their amateurish amateur rules leave the event isolated from mainstream cycling, which is kind of what they want.
Recruiting a non-cyclist like Eric into the ranks of cycling is pretty much the best-case scenario for people who want IU to be a source of cycling development. But I think riding in your future pro team kit before the Little 5 is rubbing noses in it: rather akin to doing your Final Four shoot around in Lakers warm-ups.
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