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* This is moronic - "despite perfect tactics" - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/26ab5708c05fb871?hl=en
* That's cycling - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b572e271f4a3b7c5?hl=en
* GILBERT - SCHLECK - SCHLECK - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/673621c365d91388?hl=en
* radio karma for Gilbert? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3c9675ce03650522?hl=en
* Will the Money Trail Flip Ferrari? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/07bcbcf51c4b62aa?hl=en
* Is the AP Hack in Armstrong's Pocket? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5e609765bf6bad55?hl=en
* US Forensic Auditors At Work On Swiss Accounts - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/50b2adc5b7178837?hl=en
* Armstrong On Oprah - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/68ca4d0070272a83?hl=en
* r.b.racing - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a5fb1ff8fc718276?hl=en
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TOPIC: This is moronic - "despite perfect tactics"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/26ab5708c05fb871?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 25 2011 11:13 pm
From: Ronko
The move on the St.Nicholas, where Gilbert dropped Andy, is probably the
key sign here. Andy is the best climber of the three, but he was dropped,
although finally catching back on. Gilbert was the strong man that day,
although I do agree with other comments that Andy and Frank should have
pressed coordinated attacks. If they had the legs.
Hat's off to all three for a terrific race.
In article <65f654c4-64eb-4108-8bd6-
7d13c5e5345e@a21g2000prj.googlegroups.com>,
truth_88888@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/04/news/schlecks-say-they-did-
what-they-could-at-2011-liege-bastogne-liege-but-phillipe-gilbert-was-too
-strong_169960
>
>I didn't see a single attempt to use their 2 against 1 position.
>How in the fuck can tempo riding be called "an attack" ?
>
>The Schlecks just don't have the killer instinct.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 1:09 am
From: "A. Dumas"
--D-y wrote:
> And even if both of them AFDPAOTS'd, and Gilbert rolled in solo, at
> least they would have died trying to win instead of conserving podia.
Dumbass, they are professionals not sportsmen.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 6:02 am
From: --D-y
On Apr 26, 3:09 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> --D-y wrote:
> > And even if both of them AFDPAOTS'd, and Gilbert rolled in solo, at
> > least they would have died trying to win instead of conserving podia.
>
> Dumbass, they are professionals not sportsmen.
You are on a slippery slope there. Watch out, "it's OK to be a
sportsman" is down there in the river with the alligators.
However: fair comment.
They are still boy scouts.
--D-y
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TOPIC: That's cycling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b572e271f4a3b7c5?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 1:15 am
From: "A. Dumas"
ilan wrote:
> Since no one
> knew how to use their mini pump, I used mine to pump the tire up. By
> the way, everyone of these people has at least 30 years riding
> experience.
It's Switzerland, where cycle paths are sweeped regularly & diligently:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/willj/5574468433/
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 1:32 am
From: Simply Fred
William Fred wrote:
> It is somewhat ironic that a club named cclittoral really pushes Ilan's
> buttons. There's a lesson in there for us, but I'm not sure I want to
> know what it is.
>
> If it were me, I would ride at the back and go "stroke ... stroke ...
> stroke ..." like a coxswain. If people asked why, I would say "Given the
> name, I thought it might make you all ride harder." Admittedly though, I
> don't get invited back to a lot of group rides.
Cclittori are super-motivating.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 4:07 am
From: Simply Fred
ilan wrote:
> Most memorable line of the day, told to me by a rider from Saturday's
> ride who asked me if I got home OK. That ride had been 100km, where I
> rode the last 40 with 4 guys, I was the least fit and the long climb
> shelled me.
Dumbass,
Pull or get dropped.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 8:46 am
From: "Steve Freides"
ilan wrote:
> Most memorable line of the day, told to me by a rider from Saturday's
> ride who asked me if I got home OK. That ride had been 100km, where I
> rode the last 40 with 4 guys, I was the least fit and the long climb
> shelled me. He asked me this question because they attacked me again
> with 10km to go and I never saw them again after that. So, I had
> prepared for his question and answered: "What do you care?" and then
> explained that you don't ride 100km and attack someone in the last
> 10km. That's when he said: "That's cycling."
>
> To that, I responded: "No, it's you," and tried to explain that such
> things aren't accepted elsewhere. I only realized the depth of his
> ignorance later. I realized that our little group of 10 would probably
> be together for maybe 5km of a 80km ride. I went up and told him this,
> and he didn't seem to understand. I pointed out that our group was at
> this point in 4 parts and he said: "OK, so what's the problem?"
>
> This rapidly deteriorating, because I also realized that the ride was
> actually at the level of Paris Longchamp rides, the worst riding I've
> ever seen, because of the same bizarre "shepherding" behavior, in
> which some alpha males are designated pace setters, and any attempt to
> speed up the group is ignored. That stuff really sets me off, so I
> engaged in what was for them even more bizarre behavior: I would ride
> past the lead guy going 1kph faster and when he wouldn't get on my
> wheel, I would just ride next to him, asking why. When he ignored me,
> I rode next to him sitting straight up no hands, trying to demonstrate
> to him that his pace wasn't really appropriate. All this was ignored,
> the other riders were in single file following this person and trying
> to ignore me. Then I went to the front and coasted, and this really
> set everyone off, anathema to slow the group down!
>
> And so it went for 80km, no one ever pulls off, people go to the front
> and ride as hard as they can in the hope that they can ride people off
> their wheel, and so forth....
>
> Now, I've been on worse rides before, and quite often in fact, but
> what makes this one special is that it is a club ride, everyone is on
> the same team, and I've also paid my dues. And for final confirmation
> of the stupidity of this club, check out their website:
> http://www.cclittoral.ch/
>
> -ilan
I'm with you on this one. When I used to do the regular Saturday ride
in my part of the world, no one stopped - except me. I would pull over
if I saw someone struggling with a changing a flat tire, even if they
weren't from our ride, but the guys you rode with were right in what
they said - what you saw is the way cycling is 99% of the time, and that
aspect of it stinks. _If_ absolutely hammering themselves on this one
day was a critical piece of their competitive training, that's one
thing, but I'm sure it wasn't and that it's simply that they enjoying
hammerfests.
-S-
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 10:49 am
From: Ben Trovato
On Apr 25, 8:43 am, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Most memorable line of the day, told to me by a rider from Saturday's
> ride who asked me if I got home OK. That ride had been 100km, where I
> rode the last 40 with 4 guys, I was the least fit and the long climb
> shelled me. He asked me this question because they attacked me again
> with 10km to go and I never saw them again after that. So, I had
> prepared for his question and answered: "What do you care?" and then
> explained that you don't ride 100km and attack someone in the last
> 10km. That's when he said: "That's cycling."
>
> To that, I responded: "No, it's you," and tried to explain that such
> things aren't accepted elsewhere. I only realized the depth of his
> ignorance later. I realized that our little group of 10 would probably
> be together for maybe 5km of a 80km ride. I went up and told him this,
> and he didn't seem to understand. I pointed out that our group was at
> this point in 4 parts and he said: "OK, so what's the problem?"
>
> This rapidly deteriorating, because I also realized that the ride was
> actually at the level of Paris Longchamp rides, the worst riding I've
> ever seen, because of the same bizarre "shepherding" behavior, in
> which some alpha males are designated pace setters, and any attempt to
> speed up the group is ignored. That stuff really sets me off, so I
> engaged in what was for them even more bizarre behavior: I would ride
> past the lead guy going 1kph faster and when he wouldn't get on my
> wheel, I would just ride next to him, asking why. When he ignored me,
> I rode next to him sitting straight up no hands, trying to demonstrate
> to him that his pace wasn't really appropriate. All this was ignored,
> the other riders were in single file following this person and trying
> to ignore me. Then I went to the front and coasted, and this really
> set everyone off, anathema to slow the group down!
>
> And so it went for 80km, no one ever pulls off, people go to the front
> and ride as hard as they can in the hope that they can ride people off
> their wheel, and so forth....
>
> Now, I've been on worse rides before, and quite often in fact, but
> what makes this one special is that it is a club ride, everyone is on
> the same team, and I've also paid my dues. And for final confirmation
> of the stupidity of this club, check out their website:http://www.cclittoral.ch/
>
> -ilan
So you're in the vicinity of Yverdon, at the south end of the Lac de
Neuchâtel. Thus, going clockwise starting roughly at 6 o'clock,
you're surrounded by the Gros de Vaud, the Jura vaudois, the Jura
neuchatelois, the Seeland, the Emmental, the Alpes fribourgeoises, the
Gruyere. You've got medieval towns like Estavayer-le-lac, and the
Roman ruins at Payerne, you can push a little further to Lausanne and
the Riviera vaudoise, or even Interlaken on a long day ride. Not
mentioning how far you can go if you're willing to hop the train
back. If it were me, I'd just appreciate the fact that I was in one
of the great cycling regions of the world, and go for long rides by
myself instead of playing the Franco-american schmuck for the locals.
Feh.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 2:01 pm
From: "A. Dumas"
Ben Trovato wrote:
> So you're in the vicinity of Yverdon, at the south end of the Lac de
> Neuchâtel. Thus, going clockwise starting roughly at 6 o'clock,
> you're surrounded by the Gros de Vaud, the Jura vaudois, the Jura
> neuchatelois, the Seeland, the Emmental, the Alpes fribourgeoises, the
> Gruyere. You've got medieval towns like Estavayer-le-lac, and the
> Roman ruins at Payerne, you can push a little further to Lausanne and
> the Riviera vaudoise, or even Interlaken on a long day ride. Not
> mentioning how far you can go if you're willing to hop the train
> back. If it were me, I'd just appreciate the fact that I was in one
> of the great cycling regions of the world, and go for long rides
Inspiration: http://www.cycling-challenge.com/
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TOPIC: GILBERT - SCHLECK - SCHLECK
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/673621c365d91388?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 1:28 am
From: Simply Fred
Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> Now that Novitsky has scared everyone straight, I expect
> that this year we'll see some real suffering in the mountains.
Rosencrantz would never have stolen Hamlet's lines.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 12:56 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article <l9ci88-61h.ln1@donald.homeip.net>,
Simply Fred <none@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> > Now that Novitsky has scared everyone straight, I expect
> > that this year we'll see some real suffering in the mountains.
>
> Rosencrantz would never have stolen Hamlet's lines.
He did take 30 pieces of silver for Hamlet's life.
--
Old Fritz
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TOPIC: radio karma for Gilbert?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3c9675ce03650522?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 9:17 am
From: Victor Kan
"I panicked a little because I was completely isolated. I was mad at
my teammates and shouted through the radio that I needed help but
nobody came. By the time they came it was too late and about ten
riders had attacked. It was a very bad situation for us. At that
moment I was really mad at my team because last week during the
briefings we said that we had to be in the breakaway there and nobody
was there, so that's sad," Gilbert said.
January 2011:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gilbert-supports-radio-ban
"It was nice in Geelong, I liked it. For me, if I could decide, I
would race without them. I can see a race, feel a race, so I don't
need it. I won Lombardia without a radio. I was in contact with my
teammates and not with the car, and when you have a good vibe with
your teammates it's more important than the one with your directeur
sportif. The most important relationship is the one you have with your
teammates," Gilbert told Cyclingnews.
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TOPIC: Will the Money Trail Flip Ferrari?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/07bcbcf51c4b62aa?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 10:13 am
From: BL
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TOPIC: Is the AP Hack in Armstrong's Pocket?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5e609765bf6bad55?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 10:18 am
From: BL
http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2011/04/lance-armstrong-investigation-sources.html
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TOPIC: US Forensic Auditors At Work On Swiss Accounts
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/50b2adc5b7178837?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 11:52 am
From: BL
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 12:40 pm
From: Fred Flintstein
On 4/26/2011 1:52 PM, BL wrote:
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/04/news/u-s-and-italian-authorities-examine-armstrong-ferrari-ties_169668
>
Dumbass,
It ain't gonna be a Tuesday in April. Or May.
It'll come in July. That's when the attention is maximized. With
Novitsky, that's the point.
You heard it here first, a Tuesday in July.
Fred Flintstein
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 1:08 pm
From: Simply Fred
Fred Flintstein wrote:
> It ain't gonna be a Tuesday in April. Or May.
>
> It'll come in July. That's when the attention is maximized. With
> Novitsky, that's the point.
>
> You heard it here first, a Tuesday in July.
And he's going to post the news to rbr first because he's a secret rbr
lurker.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 1:23 pm
From: BL
On 4/26/2011 3:40 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 4/26/2011 1:52 PM, BL wrote:
>> http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/04/news/u-s-and-italian-authorities-examine-armstrong-ferrari-ties_169668
>>
>>
>
> Dumbass,
>
> It ain't gonna be a Tuesday in April. Or May.
>
> It'll come in July. That's when the attention is maximized. With
> Novitsky, that's the point.
>
> You heard it here first, a Tuesday in July.
>
> Fred Flintstein
No FuckWit, I read it in the article I linked to. You are so stupid. Go
back under your favorite rock.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 2:51 pm
From: Fred Flintstein
On 4/26/2011 3:23 PM, BL wrote:
> FuckWit,
You have no idea how difficult it is for me to face the
day knowing that my very presence here causes so much
discomfort to you. No idea.
Fred Flintstein
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 3:14 pm
From: BL
On 4/26/2011 5:51 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 4/26/2011 3:23 PM, BL wrote:
>> FuckWit,
>
> You have no idea how difficult it is for me to face the
> day knowing that my very presence here causes so much
> discomfort to you. No idea.
>
> Fred Flintstein
Discomfort? Not at all. Your FuckWit, knee jerk attacks are expected
and often amusing--stupidity can be funny. You're living proof of that. :-)
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 8:37 pm
From: Substance McGravitas
On 4/26/2011 3:14 PM, BL wrote:
> On 4/26/2011 5:51 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>> On 4/26/2011 3:23 PM, BL wrote:
>>> FuckWit,
>>
>> You have no idea how difficult it is for me to face the
>> day knowing that my very presence here causes so much
>> discomfort to you. No idea.
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> Discomfort? Not at all. Your FuckWit, knee jerk attacks are expected and
> often amusing--stupidity can be funny. You're living proof of that. :-)
Attack? There was no attack. It's like that time you argued that the
Bush Administration destroyed the WTC. You've got it all wrong again.
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TOPIC: Armstrong On Oprah
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/68ca4d0070272a83?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 3:27 pm
From: BL
This tells me that the Lance camp is crapping in their pants--assuming
he answers any questions about the investigation. Oprah will be expected
to throw softballs (pun intended), but you never know what might possess
her to squeeze his remaining ball.
Fabio will have him well coached for the appearance. But, it's a fairly
big risk for a person under investigation to take. Presumably a live
audience, too.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 5:12 pm
From: dave a
On 4/26/2011 3:27 PM, BL wrote:
> This tells me that the Lance camp is crapping in their pants--assuming
> he answers any questions about the investigation. Oprah will be expected
> to throw softballs (pun intended), but you never know what might possess
> her to squeeze his remaining ball.
>
> Fabio will have him well coached for the appearance. But, it's a fairly
> big risk for a person under investigation to take. Presumably a live
> audience, too.
Yeah, we know O is really into the whole doping/fraud thing, not so much
the cancer foundation thingy. Total pants crapping...
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 8:31 pm
From: Substance McGravitas
On 4/26/2011 3:27 PM, BL wrote:
> This tells me that the Lance camp is crapping in their pants--assuming
> he answers any questions about the investigation. Oprah will be expected
> to throw softballs (pun intended), but you never know what might possess
> her to squeeze his remaining ball.
>
> Fabio will have him well coached for the appearance. But, it's a fairly
> big risk for a person under investigation to take. Presumably a live
> audience, too.
You're not really Brian, you're just mocking him.
Not bad, but it's a little over-the-top. Even for Brian. Oprah as the
investigative journalist is pretty funny, though. Who WOULDN'T crap
their pants if SHE showed up on their doorstep?
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TOPIC: r.b.racing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a5fb1ff8fc718276?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 5:30 pm
From: Fred
Anyone notice that the young mini-phinney almost won the prologue at
the Tour of Romandie today?
Fred
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