Sunday, May 1, 2011

rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* "He came on a bicycle. I escorted him down and he went away on his bike." -
2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d716dd1d8f812939?hl=en
* Armstrong On Oprah - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/68ca4d0070272a83?hl=en
* Drunken cyclist in a chicken suit - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4283920c817cba98?hl=en
* Santo Subito for the Pope - he performed a host of miracles ! - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/02cb4fa593753399?hl=en
* Emma Addresses Strickland - 9 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/efaae3c099621b00?hl=en
* Tour de Romandie, stage 5 summary - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7b973a28476460c6?hl=en
* One down, one to go! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/63151670ad71a0ae?hl=en

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TOPIC: "He came on a bicycle. I escorted him down and he went away on his bike.
"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d716dd1d8f812939?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 30 2011 11:24 pm
From: RicodJour


On May 1, 1:56 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Story is not quite as salacious as the subject line suggests:
>
> http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/29/layton-found-in-toronto-bawdy-ho...
>
> But minor political sex scandal + bicycle reference = rbr.

A 5' 10" Chinese woman in her 20's? Hmmm. Allow me to repeat that.
Hmmm.

R


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 9:46 am
From: Anton Berlin


On May 1, 1:24 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 1:56 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Story is not quite as salacious as the subject line suggests:
>
> >http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/29/layton-found-in-toronto-bawdy-ho...
>
> > But minor political sex scandal + bicycle reference = rbr.
>
> A 5' 10" Chinese woman in her 20's?  Hmmm.  Allow me to repeat that.
> Hmmm.
>
> R

Some guys are in to asian chicks with large hands - you have a problem
with that ?

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TOPIC: Armstrong On Oprah
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/68ca4d0070272a83?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 3:15 am
From: Simply Fred


Michael Press wrote:
>> I am the humblest poster here.

Anton Berlin wrote:
> We will recognize that with a very small trophy - so small no one will
> be able to even see it.

Sorry, no one on rbr is willing to donate their penis, so the Press
penis will have to do.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 7:13 am
From: Fred


On Apr 26, 4:27 pm, BL <B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> This tells me that the Lance camp is crapping in their pants--assuming
> he answers any questions about the investigation. Oprah will be expected
> to throw softballs (pun intended), but you never know what might possess
> her to squeeze his remaining ball.
>
> Fabio will have him well coached for the appearance.  But, it's a fairly
> big risk for a person under investigation to take.  Presumably a live
> audience, too.

And your comment tells me you don't know how to read the tea leaves.

Fred


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 9:52 am
From: Anton Berlin


Another sign of Lance desperation


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 10:16 am
From: Fred


On May 1, 10:52 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Another sign of Lance desperation

As always, you reinforce your bias/stupidity w/ your comments. Lance
on the Oprah show has not a diddly damn thing to do with the ongoing
inquisition, errr, investigation.

I know you don't think it does anything meaningful, but since you
comment on his foundation pretty frequently, there's no doubt you know
about it. Of course, you don't see any link between his public
appearances and his foundation, you (as BL) see any and all things LA
through a very muddled prism.

Fred


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 1:53 pm
From: Michael Press


In article <qfov88-fe5.ln1@donaldm.homeip.net>,
Simply Fred <none@mailinator.com> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
> >> I am the humblest poster here.
>
> Anton Berlin wrote:
> > We will recognize that with a very small trophy - so small no one will
> > be able to even see it.
>
> Sorry, no one on rbr is willing to donate their penis, so the Press
> penis will have to do.

You're just jealous.
All those honeys pursuing you---must be hell.

--
Michael Press

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TOPIC: Drunken cyclist in a chicken suit
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4283920c817cba98?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 8:51 am
From: RicodJour


http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/9000077.Skipton_chicken_suit_cyclist_admits_abuse/

And just when I thought the world was getting too serious.

R


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 9:50 am
From: Anton Berlin


On May 1, 10:51 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/9000077.Skipton_chicken_su...
>
> And just when I thought the world was getting too serious.
>
> R

The English maintain their pecking order.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 10:42 am
From: "Ronsonic"

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:683a47c7-8ea9-454b-bc20-0444a5a4e779@m10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/9000077.Skipton_chicken_suit_cyclist_admits_abuse/
>
> And just when I thought the world was getting too serious.

Life imitates Bike Snob.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 6:24 pm
From: Phil H


On May 1, 9:50 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 10:51 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/9000077.Skipton_chicken_su...
>
> > And just when I thought the world was getting too serious.
>
> > R
>
> The English maintain their pecking order.

McGratten.......probably Irish.
Phil H

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TOPIC: Santo Subito for the Pope - he performed a host of miracles !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/02cb4fa593753399?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 9:44 am
From: Anton Berlin


Like ensuring that absolute pedophiles are never brought to justice.

http://www.slate.com/id/2247861/

If there is a god and is a hell - rest assured catholic sheep - they
turned the fires up to 11 when Pope John Paul arrived.

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TOPIC: Emma Addresses Strickland
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/efaae3c099621b00?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 9:48 am
From: Anton Berlin


On Apr 30, 11:55 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 9:27 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wait a sec - she was asked to tell the truth.  Put under oath and
> > appears to have done so.    Because of that she's paid a price -
> > suffered consequences.  We all know this can happen.
>
> True.  We also know that people commit perjury, juggle kittens and
> steal library books.  So let me take the opportunity to say I hate
> Vino.  He's a dick and I hope he Rasmussen's himself in his next time
> trial.
>
> > Would you trust Lance Armstrong to tell the truth when there would be
> > consequences for him ?
>
> > I doubt anyone in this forum can honestly say they would.
>
> No offense, pizza boy, but I can honestly say I wouldn't trust you to
> tell the truth if there were consequences for you.
> I am not 100% sure, but I believe this is what they call "life."  This
> is why we watch sports - to get away from life, no?
>
> R

I wouldn't count on me to give the same opinion as 1 in a million
people - but you can rely on me telling the truth. There's a huge
difference.


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 9:50 am
From: BL


On 4/30/2011 2:54 PM, Substance McGravitas wrote:
> On 4/30/2011 11:44 AM, BL wrote:
>> On 4/30/2011 12:11 PM, Phil H wrote:
>>> On Apr 30, 6:26 am, BL<B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/29/2011 10:15 PM, Substance McGravitas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/29/2011 6:33 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 29, 5:57 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"<Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Great read, thanks for the link!
>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny that the part you take away from this article is about Lance
>>>>>>> and his
>>>>>>> legal team. The article had little to say about that; rather, it
>>>>>>> was, as
>>>>>>> your subject line states, Emma addressing Strickland, and the
>>>>>>> weight the
>>>>>>> media places on her testimony vs others.
>>>>
>>>>>>> The part I found most interesting was this-
>>>>
>>>>>>> "Years ago I gave an interview to David Walsh, in which I told him
>>>>>>> the truth
>>>>>>> of what I had seen and experienced in my years in cycling.
>>>>>>> Incidentally, I
>>>>>>> got paid a small sum of money for all the time I put into helping
>>>>>>> David."
>>>>
>>>>>> I found this interesting:
>>>>>> "But now I am sick to death of journalists and people in the media
>>>>>> using my facts to help whatever point they want to get across. They
>>>>>> chase me like dogs in heat when they are trying to get their story,
>>>>>> then drop me if they've got their facts or I won't elaborate or
>>>>>> embellish their story.
>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>> For the record, I might not have achieved anything like Lance has—who
>>>>>> has? But I live a nice, quiet life running a small business, with my
>>>>>> two dogs and my boyfriend."
>>>>
>>>>>> Chase me like a dog in heat? What woman would say that? It's
>>>>>> implying she's a female dog - a bitch. Very odd. Then I read the
>>>>>> last part - and that explained it all. She's in business with the two
>>>>>> dogs (notice the first billing) and her boyfriend. I wonder who's top
>>>>>> dog? =:O
>>>>
>>>>>> R
>>>>
>>>>> Shes's sick of people who wont listen and take her staements out of
>>>>> context - like you and Brian. It pisses her off. That's all she
>>>>> said in
>>>>> the bits you twisted.
>>>>
>>>> Show me where I've taken any of her statements out of context.
>>>
>>> Out of context isn't a precise account of what she said. Folks with
>>> their own agenda, selling newspapers, books, gossip mongers, the
>>> "bring down Lance" brigade etc. Her desire was to rid cycling of drugs
>>> and the impression that Lance the bully went after her.......well, you
>>> can make accusations, but you'd better be able to back them up with
>>> facts otherwise you're wide open to attack.....simple as that. She's
>>> right...she was very naive.
>>> Phil H
>> Re-read what RICO wrote. He said I took what she said out of context.
>> Show me where I have ever taken what she has said out of context.
>
> You're not capable of seeing your own misrepresentations. You are not
> constrained by reality. "Each reader will take from her statement what
> they will" justifies claiming that she was talking about anything.
>
> You claim the article was about Lance's legal team, no reasonable person
> would read it that way.
The short answer is "No, I haven't taken anything she has said out of
context."

Further, I made no claims at all, FuckTard. I pointed out one aspect of
her statement that I found interesting. Other readers will be
interestred in other aspects of her statement. That does not mean that
anyone is taking any part of her statement out of context. I suggest
you go back to your room and finish whacking off to your Lance poster
collection. And shut the door so you don't disturb Mommy.


== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 11:36 am
From: Substance McGravitas


On 5/1/2011 9:50 AM, BL wrote:
> On 4/30/2011 2:54 PM, Substance McGravitas wrote:
>> On 4/30/2011 11:44 AM, BL wrote:
>>> On 4/30/2011 12:11 PM, Phil H wrote:
>>>> On Apr 30, 6:26 am, BL<B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/29/2011 10:15 PM, Substance McGravitas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/29/2011 6:33 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 5:57 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"<Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great read, thanks for the link!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny that the part you take away from this article is about Lance
>>>>>>>> and his
>>>>>>>> legal team. The article had little to say about that; rather, it
>>>>>>>> was, as
>>>>>>>> your subject line states, Emma addressing Strickland, and the
>>>>>>>> weight the
>>>>>>>> media places on her testimony vs others.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The part I found most interesting was this-
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Years ago I gave an interview to David Walsh, in which I told him
>>>>>>>> the truth
>>>>>>>> of what I had seen and experienced in my years in cycling.
>>>>>>>> Incidentally, I
>>>>>>>> got paid a small sum of money for all the time I put into helping
>>>>>>>> David."
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found this interesting:
>>>>>>> "But now I am sick to death of journalists and people in the media
>>>>>>> using my facts to help whatever point they want to get across. They
>>>>>>> chase me like dogs in heat when they are trying to get their story,
>>>>>>> then drop me if they've got their facts or I won't elaborate or
>>>>>>> embellish their story.
>>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>> For the record, I might not have achieved anything like Lance
>>>>>>> has—who
>>>>>>> has? But I live a nice, quiet life running a small business, with my
>>>>>>> two dogs and my boyfriend."
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chase me like a dog in heat? What woman would say that? It's
>>>>>>> implying she's a female dog - a bitch. Very odd. Then I read the
>>>>>>> last part - and that explained it all. She's in business with the
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>> dogs (notice the first billing) and her boyfriend. I wonder who's
>>>>>>> top
>>>>>>> dog? =:O
>>>>>
>>>>>>> R
>>>>>
>>>>>> Shes's sick of people who wont listen and take her staements out of
>>>>>> context - like you and Brian. It pisses her off. That's all she
>>>>>> said in
>>>>>> the bits you twisted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Show me where I've taken any of her statements out of context.
>>>>
>>>> Out of context isn't a precise account of what she said. Folks with
>>>> their own agenda, selling newspapers, books, gossip mongers, the
>>>> "bring down Lance" brigade etc. Her desire was to rid cycling of drugs
>>>> and the impression that Lance the bully went after her.......well, you
>>>> can make accusations, but you'd better be able to back them up with
>>>> facts otherwise you're wide open to attack.....simple as that. She's
>>>> right...she was very naive.
>>>> Phil H
>>> Re-read what RICO wrote. He said I took what she said out of context.
>>> Show me where I have ever taken what she has said out of context.
>>
>> You're not capable of seeing your own misrepresentations. You are not
>> constrained by reality. "Each reader will take from her statement what
>> they will" justifies claiming that she was talking about anything.
>>
>> You claim the article was about Lance's legal team, no reasonable person
>> would read it that way.
> The short answer is "No, I haven't taken anything she has said out of
> context."
>
> Further, I made no claims at all, FuckTard. I pointed out one aspect of
> her statement that I found interesting. Other readers will be
> interestred in other aspects of her statement. That does not mean that
> anyone is taking any part of her statement out of context. I suggest you
> go back to your room and finish whacking off to your Lance poster
> collection. And shut the door so you don't disturb Mommy.

I said that no reasonable person would read this article as being about
Lance's legal team, and you defend your reasonableness with an obscenity
laced tirade.

You are not required to confirm everything I type, just so you know.


== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 11:40 am
From: Substance McGravitas


On 5/1/2011 9:48 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:55 pm, RicodJour<ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 30, 9:27 pm, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Wait a sec - she was asked to tell the truth. Put under oath and
>>> appears to have done so. Because of that she's paid a price -
>>> suffered consequences. We all know this can happen.
>>
>> True. We also know that people commit perjury, juggle kittens and
>> steal library books. So let me take the opportunity to say I hate
>> Vino. He's a dick and I hope he Rasmussen's himself in his next time
>> trial.
>>
>>> Would you trust Lance Armstrong to tell the truth when there would be
>>> consequences for him ?
>>
>>> I doubt anyone in this forum can honestly say they would.
>>
>> No offense, pizza boy, but I can honestly say I wouldn't trust you to
>> tell the truth if there were consequences for you.
>> I am not 100% sure, but I believe this is what they call "life." This
>> is why we watch sports - to get away from life, no?
>>
>> R
>
> I wouldn't count on me to give the same opinion as 1 in a million
> people - but you can rely on me telling the truth. There's a huge
> difference.

Really? You don't tell lies when it's in your interest to do so? Never?

There's Jim Carey movie based on a guy like that.


== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 1:14 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 5/1/2011 11:48 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:55 pm, RicodJour<ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 30, 9:27 pm, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Wait a sec - she was asked to tell the truth. Put under oath and
>>> appears to have done so. Because of that she's paid a price -
>>> suffered consequences. We all know this can happen.
>>
>> True. We also know that people commit perjury, juggle kittens and
>> steal library books. So let me take the opportunity to say I hate
>> Vino. He's a dick and I hope he Rasmussen's himself in his next time
>> trial.
>>
>>> Would you trust Lance Armstrong to tell the truth when there would be
>>> consequences for him ?
>>
>>> I doubt anyone in this forum can honestly say they would.
>>
>> No offense, pizza boy, but I can honestly say I wouldn't trust you to
>> tell the truth if there were consequences for you.
>> I am not 100% sure, but I believe this is what they call "life." This
>> is why we watch sports - to get away from life, no?
>>
>> R
>
> I wouldn't count on me to give the same opinion as 1 in a million
> people - but you can rely on me telling the truth. There's a huge
> difference.

I would 100% count on you to tell the truth as you wish
to see it.

Fred Flintstein


== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 1:20 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <asydnRxlac7fsybQnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
BL <BL@nowhere.com> wrote:


"I spoke to David because I felt that by not talking I
was a part of a problem that is actually bigger than
Lance. The big problem is drugs in cycling."

She thinks Lance is a problem.

"If my word is so worthless, Mr. Strickland, why did
Lance feel the need to terrorize me for more than two
years? Why did Lance feel the need to try and break me?"

Help! I'm being repressed.

"So I generally get harassment on both sides all
because I was stupid enough to speak the truth."

Sometimes breaking a confidence is not adherence to truth.

Calling somebody a problem, then complaining
that they take action against you is naive,
stupid, or cunning.

Emma O'Reilly was and is to this day on a crusade. To
be on a crusade is to pick a fight. I am not obliged,
or likely, to cheer her on. I do enjoy watching a good scrap.

--
Old Fritz


== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 1:48 pm
From: Michael Press


In article <4dbc5190$1@news.x-privat.org>,
Substance McGravitas <Fred@Burger.com> wrote:

> On 4/29/2011 7:55 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> > On 4/29/2011 6:46 PM, Substance McGravitas wrote:
> >> On 4/29/2011 2:31 PM, BL wrote:
> >>> Interesting how Armstrong went after her with his legal team but
> >>> couldn't crack her.
> >>> http://bicycling.com/blogs/theselection/2011/04/27/emma-o%E2%80%99reilly-responds-to-strickland%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cendgame%E2%80%9D/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> She comes across as pretty well balanced. You could learn a lot from
> >> rereading the article and trying to notice the parts you naturally
> >> block out. It'd be a big effort, but it'd pay dividends.
> >>
> >> She's believable and has a decent perspective.
> >
> > I think when Strickland says that if it's her word against
> > LANCE's then LANCE wins he was speaking in a legal sense. At
> > least that's how I took it.
> >
> > Emma seems to have a different read on it, that Strickland is
> > saying that LANCE is more believable.
> >
> > Fred Flintstein
>
> Agreed. She took it personally and I'm sure it wasn't intended that way.

She is in it for the action. Ten years after she is
tweaking people. Those who think they made a naive and
youthful mistake do their level best to live it down.
Emma is still scrapping.

--
Michael Press


== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 2:27 pm
From: RicodJour


On May 1, 12:48 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:55 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 9:27 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Wait a sec - she was asked to tell the truth.  Put under oath and
> > > appears to have done so.    Because of that she's paid a price -
> > > suffered consequences.  We all know this can happen.
>
> > True.  We also know that people commit perjury, juggle kittens and
> > steal library books.  So let me take the opportunity to say I hate
> > Vino.  He's a dick and I hope he Rasmussen's himself in his next time
> > trial.
>
> > > Would you trust Lance Armstrong to tell the truth when there would be
> > > consequences for him ?
>
> > > I doubt anyone in this forum can honestly say they would.
>
> > No offense, pizza boy, but I can honestly say I wouldn't trust you to
> > tell the truth if there were consequences for you.
> > I am not 100% sure, but I believe this is what they call "life."  This
> > is why we watch sports - to get away from life, no?
>
>
> I wouldn't count on me to give the same opinion as 1 in a million
> people - but you can rely on me telling the truth.  There's a huge
> difference.

Of course. No one has ever lied after they said they were telling the
truth. Or before. Or during.

Now put money, reputation and other penalties to be named later on the
other side of that balance beam.

I don't even believe you about your fookin' pizza. I've never tasted
it. I keep pricking up my ears and barking when the FedEx truck rolls
by - maybe it's the dog barking, I don't know - but no pizza ever
arrives. Liar.

R


== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 5:56 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Apr 30, 7:06 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 4:31 pm, BL <B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting how Armstrong went after her with his legal team but
> > couldn't crack her.http://bicycling.com/blogs/theselection/2011/04/27/emma-o%E2%80%99rei...
>
> BL anyone with a 3rd grade reading ability would read this section of
> the article and come up with the conclusion you wrote.
>
> "why did Lance's legal team feel the need to go to the High Court the
> morning of my testimony for the above case so they could sit in on it?
> They would have known that I was without my lawyer, another bullying
> tactic that I had become accustomed too. Unfortunately, it's hard to
> effectively bully someone who is telling the truth."
>
> Yes - Lance's legal  team went after her and couldn't crack her and
> the rest of these RBR jokers are being stupid cunts.    It must be
> some kind of silly grade school game they play.

Newsflash: Some top athletes are aggressive and
competitive off the playing field! To the point of being
jackasses even!

WTF do you aunties expect. LANCE is famous for talking
about The Shit That Will Kill Them, not the spit that will
make them slightly uncomfortable.

This is kind of like NFL fans talking about what a shame
it is that their favorite spectacle damages the brains of
the gladiators they contract to watch. If only someone
would do something about it! But not, you know, anything
that would affect the game's watchability.

Fredmaster Ben


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TOPIC: Tour de Romandie, stage 5 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7b973a28476460c6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 11:17 am
From: Bob Martin



Stage 5 : May 1, Champagne - Geneva, 164.6 km

1 Ben Swift (GBr) Sky Procycling 3.50.51
2 Davide Vigano (Ita) Leopard Trek
3 Oscar Freire Gomez (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team
4 Fabio Sabatini (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale
5 Enrico Gasparotto (Ita) Pro Team Astana
6 Fumiyuki Beppu (Jpn) Team RadioShack
7 Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad
8 Nicolas Roche (Irl) AG2R La Mondiale
9 Yukiya Arashiro (Jpn) Team Europcar
10 Enrique Sanz (Spa) Movistar Team


Changes in GC, stage 5 compared to stage 4 :

Biggest gainers by position :
+19 Christopher Sutton
+18 Oscar Pujol Munoz
+18 Matthew Wilson
+17 Enrique Sanz
+17 Artem Ovechkin
+14 Mirco Lorenzetto
+13 Fabio Sabatini
+12 Marco Corti
+11 Tiziano Dall'Antonia
+11 Alan Marangoni

Biggest losers by position :
-52 David Loosli
-49 Vladimir Gusev
-47 Inaki Isasi Flores
-47 Luke Roberts
-38 Dennis Van Winden
-11 Patrick Gretsch
-10 Jerome Cousin
-6 Maarten Neyens
-5 Danilo Wyss
-5 Jonathan Castroviejo Nicolas
-5 Marco Bandiera

Biggest gainers by time :
+0:10 Ben Swift
+0:06 Davide Vigano
+0:04 Oscar Freire Gomez

Biggest losers by time :
-20:38 Benjamin Noval Gonzalez
-20:38 Danilo Wyss
-20:38 David Loosli
-20:38 Dennis Van Winden
-20:38 Francesco Chicchi
-20:38 Inaki Isasi Flores
-20:38 Jack Bobridge
-20:38 Jan Tratnik
-20:38 Jerome Cousin
-20:38 Jonathan Castroviejo Nicolas
-20:38 Joost Van Leijen

Favourites by position :
+4 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil
+3 Roman Kreuziger
+2 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre
-3 Richie Porte

Favourites by time :
-0:13 Ivan Basso
-0:13 David Zabriskie
-0:34 Bradley Wiggins
-0:54 Roman Kreuziger
-20:38 Richie Porte

Top 10 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
1 Cadel Evans 16:51:49 (unchanged)
2 Tony Martin 0:18 (unchanged)
3 Alexandre Vinokourov 0:19 (unchanged)
4 Marco Pinotti 0:31 (unchanged)
5 Benat Intxausti Elorriaga 0:41 (unchanged)
6 Pieter Weening 0:51 (unchanged)
7 Janez Brajkovic 0:52 (unchanged)
8 Pavel Brutt 0:58 (unchanged)
9 Andrew Talansky 0:59 (unchanged)
10 David Millar 1:00 (unchanged)
11 Linus Gerdemann 1:06 (unchanged)
.....
14 Denis Menchov 1:16 (unchanged)
.....
31 Ivan Basso 3:03 (was 31st at 2:50)
32 David Zabriskie 3:06 (was 32nd at 2:53)
.....
39 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre 3:35 (was 41st at 3:35)
.....
46 Vladimir Karpets 4:01 (unchanged)
.....
56 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil 6:18 (was 60th at 6:18)
.....
62 Bradley Wiggins 7:15 (was 62nd at 6:41)
63 Roman Kreuziger 7:50 (was 66th at 6:56)
.....
121 Richie Porte 48:57 (was 118th at 28:19)

Top 10 on Points table
1 Matthias Brandle 12
2 Dario David Cioni 7
3 Pavel Brutt 6
4 Chris Anker Sorensen 6
5 Christophe Kern 6
6 Jerome Cousin 6
7 Jack Bobridge 6
8 Ignatas Konovalovas 6
9 Oleksandr Kvachuk 4
10 Branislau Samoilau 4

Top 10 on Mountains table
1 Chris Anker Sorensen 32
2 Oleksandr Kvachuk 28
3 Pavel Brutt 22
4 Branislau Samoilau 22
5 Pierre Rolland 16
6 Christophe Kern 14
7 Ignatas Konovalovas 14
8 Roman Kreuziger 12
9 Vladimir Gusev 12
10 Steven Kruijswijk 12

Retirements to date : Stage
Bert Grabsch (Ger) HTC-Highroad 5 <<<
Frantisek Rabon (Cze) HTC-Highroad 5 <<<
Gerald Ciolek (Ger) Quickstep Cycling Team 5 <<<
Manuele Mori (Ita) Lampre - ISD 5 <<<
Paolo Longo Borghini (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 5 <<<
Rick Flens (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 5 <<<
Taylor Phinney (USA) BMC Racing Team 5 <<<
Tom Stamsnijder (Ned) Leopard Trek 5 <<<
Adam Blythe (GBr) Omega Pharma-Lotto 4
Addy Engels (Ned) Quickstep Cycling Team 4
Leigh Howard (Aus) HTC-Highroad 4
Marc De Maar (AHo) Quickstep Cycling Team 4
Matteo Bono (Ita) Lampre - ISD 4
Wouter Mol (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 3
Ben Hermans (Bel) Team RadioShack 2
Sebastien Rosseler (Bel) Team RadioShack 2
Simone Ponzi (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 2
Thomas Leezer (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 2
Daniele Bennati (Ita) Leopard Trek 1
Maxim Iglinskiy (Kaz) Pro Team Astana 1
Nicki Sorensen (Den) Saxo Bank Sungard 1
Robert Kiserlovski (Cro) Pro Team Astana 1
Total retirements : 22


(This report can also be seen at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2)


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 1:23 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 5/1/2011 1:17 PM, Bob Martin wrote:
>
> Retirements to date : Stage
> Taylor Phinney (USA) BMC Racing Team 5<<<

Nope, he didn't make it to Geneva.

If someone wants to get a boner about a kid from Colorado
with good blood lines, looks like Peter Stetina is the
one. He's smaller and lighter with better stage racing
potential.

Fred Flintstein

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 8:54 pm
From: Substance McGravitas


Got one:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-killed/story?id=13505703&sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4dbe1cf00ef3c4cf%2C0

Now, if we can just bring LA to justice!


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, May 1 2011 9:12 pm
From: Fred


On May 1, 9:54 pm, Substance McGravitas <F...@Burger.com> wrote:
> Got one:http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-killed/story?id=1350570...
>
> Now, if we can just bring LA to justice!

STFU

Fred


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1. Chemical Composition and Antioxidant Properties of Clove Leaf Essential Oil
Leopold Jirovetz,* Gerhard Buchbauer, Ivanka Stoilova, Albena Stoyanova, Albert Krastanov, and Erich Schmidt§
Department of Clinical Pharmacy and Diagnostics, University of Vienna, Althanstrasse 14, A-1090 Vienna, Austria, Department of Essential Oils, University of Food Technology, 26 Maritza Boulevard, 4002 Plovdiv, Bulgaria, and Kurt Kitzing GmbH, Hinterm Alten Schloss 21, D-86757 Wallerstein, Germany
J. Agric. Food Chem., 2006, 54 (17), pp 6303–6307
DOI: 10.1021/jf060608c
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf060608c

2. Volatile Compounds of Psidium salutare (H.B.K.) Berg. Fruit
Jorge A. Pino,* Rolando Marbot, and Avilio Bello§
Instituto de Investigaciones para la Industria Alimenticia, Carretera del Guatao km 31/2, La Habana 19200, Cuba; Centro Nacional de Investigaciones Científicas, La Habana, Cuba; and Instituto Superior Pedagógico de Pinar del Río, Cuba
J. Agric. Food Chem., 2002, 50 (18), pp 5146–5148
DOI: 10.1021/jf0116303
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf0116303

3. Characterization of Volatiles in Strawberry Guava (Psidium cattleianum Sabine) Fruit
Jorge A. Pino,* Rolando Marbot, and Carlos Vázquez§
Food Industry Research Institute, Carretera del Guatao km 3 1/2, La Habana 19200, Cuba; National Center for Scientific Research, La Habana, Cuba, and National Botanical Garden, La Habana, Cuba
J. Agric. Food Chem., 2001, 49 (12), pp 5883–5887
DOI: 10.1021/jf010414r
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf010414r?prevSearch=%2528psidium%2529%2BNOT%2B%255Batype%253A%2Bad%255D%2BNOT%2B%255Batype%253A%2Bacs-toc%255D&searchHistoryKey=

4. Characterization of Volatiles in Costa Rican Guava [Psidium friedrichsthalianum (Berg) Niedenzu] Fruit
Jorge A. Pino,* Rolando Marbot, and Carlos Vázquez§
Food Industry Research Institute, Carretera del Guatao km 31/2, La Habana 19200, Cuba; National Center for Scientific Research, La Habana, Cuba; and National Botanical Garden, La Habana, Cuba
J. Agric. Food Chem., 2002, 50 (21), pp 6023–6026
DOI: 10.1021/jf011456i
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf011456i?prevSearch=%2528psidium%2529%2BNOT%2B%255Batype%253A%2Bad%255D%2BNOT%2B%255Batype%253A%2Bacs-toc%255D&searchHistoryKey=

5. Chemical composition of essential oils of seven species of Eugenia from Monteverde, Costa Rica
Ramona A. Colea, William A. Haberb, 1 and William N. Setzera, Corresponding Author Contact Information, E-mail The Corresponding Author

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:13819 Fwd: Complaint to CJI 25.04.2011

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NHRC
http://www.nhrc.nic.in/display.asp?fno=181/7/5/2010-AD

Case Details of File Number: 181/7/5/2010-AD Diary Number 6432 dt 07.02.2010
Name of the Complainant SUHAS CHAKMA, DIRECTOR
Address NATIONAL CAMPAIGN FOR PREVENTION OF TORTURE, C-3/441-C, JANAKPURI, WEST DELHI , DELHI
Name of the Victim KRISHNA KUMAR
Address AS ABOVE
WEST DELHI , DELHI
Place of Incident BHONDSI JAIL
GURGAON , HARYANA
Date of Incident 1/12/2010
Direction issued by the Commission The complainant drew the attention of the Commission towards death of UTP Krishna Kumar allegedly due to torture at Bhondsi Jail, Gurgaon, Haryana on 12-01-2010. It was prayed as under:- Direct the State Government of Haryana to order a judicial inquiry into the death of undertrial prisoner, Mr. Krishana Kumar due to alleged torture at Bhondsi Jail, Gurgaon and delay in providing medical treatment, and sent the report within two weeks time; Direct the State Government of Haryana to sent the post-mortem report of the deceased which should have been conducted in full conformity with the NHRC guidelines within two weeks time; Direct the State Government of Haryana to suspend the Superintendent of Bhondsi Jail, Gurgaon to facilitate fair and impartial investigation and further, take appropriate legal action against anyone found to be guilty; Direct the State Government of Haryana to provide an interim compensation of Rs 10 lakhs to the next of kin of the deceased; and Take any other measures the NHRC deems fit and proper. Upon perusal, the Commission vide proceedings dated 04/02/2010 directed as under:- "This is a case of death in jail allegedly due to torture and intimation about death in jail as per guidelines of the Commission appear to have not been received. Issue notice to the Deputy Commissioner, Gurgaon, Haryana and the Superintendent, District Jail, Gurgaon as to why this death was not reported to the Commission with 24 Hrs of occurrence. Both the above authorities are also directed to submit requisite reports within eight weeks." Pursuant to the directions of the Commission, Superintendent, District Jail, Gurgaon, Haryana vide communication dated 26/02/2010 stated as under:- "It is submitted that UTP Krishna Kunlar S/o Ram Parsad was admitted in this Jail on 11-01-2010 in case FIR No. 75/08 u/s 324, 506 PS Sec-05 Gurgaon. The accused got seriously ill on 11/12-01-2010 and was sent to General Hospital Gurgaon for treatment in serious condition accompanied by Jail Pharmacist and escorted by Jail Guard. He was declared dead at General Hospital Gurgaon by Medical Officer. The Honble Commission is further apprised that a judicial inquiry was got conducted by Sh. Mukesh Rao, Judicial Magistrate 1st Class, Gurgaon on 12-01-2010 into the cause of death of UTP on the order of Ld Distt. and Session Judge Gurgaon. There was no delay in providing proper medical treatment to the deceased by Jail Medical Officer. No torturing of deceased took place as alleged. Due postmortem was got conducted on the body of deceased on 13-01-2010 by a panel of three Medical officer constituted by CMO General Hospital Gurgaon in the presence of Sh. Mukesh Rao, Ld Judicial Magistrate 1st Class. The cause of death in this case will be given after receiving viscera report as mentioned in the postmortem report. District Magistrate Gurgaon, Deputy Commissiner Of Police (West) Gurgaon and SHO Police Station Sec-05, Gurgaon, were duely informed vide this Office PTM No. 585-89 dated 12-01-2010 message delivered by hand by Asstt. Supdt. Jail Bijender Singh Joon and Warder Gaje Singh of this Jail. Financial Commissioner and Principal Secretary, Director General of Prisons, Haryana and your good Office were also intimated vide above quoted PTM No. The National Human Right Commission is further apprised that no torturing of UTP Krishna Kumar S/o Ram Parsad took place at this Jail as alleged in the complaint. No apparent injury marks were seen on the deceased body as opined by the Jail Medical Officer on the basis of Postmortem report. Thus the complaint seems to be misleading and mischievous and far away from truth." Shri Nand Lal Shukla, President, Manavadhikar Emergency Helpline Association also has drawn attention of the Commission towards this death in jail. The Commission has perused record. Inquest was conducted by a Judicial Magistrate. No delay has been found in providing treatment to the deceased. Three doctors have conducted Post Mortem. Viscera sent for examination. In the facts and circumstances now on record, no further action by the Commission is called for. The case is closed.
Action Taken Concluded and No Further Action Required (Dated 7/2/2010 )
Status on 5/1/2011 The Case is Closed.


Note: For further details kindly contact National Human Rights Commission, Copernicus Marg, New Delhi, PIN 110001 Tel.No. 23385368 Fax No. 23384863 E-Mail: covdnhrc@hub.nic.in

SUHAS CHAKMA, DIRECTOR NATIONAL CAMPAIGN FOR PREVENTION OF TORTURE

Asian Centre for Human Rights
C-3/441-C, Janakpuri, New Delhi 110058 INDIA
Tel/Fax: +91 11 25620583, 25503624
Website: www.achrweb.org
Email: suhaschakma@achrweb.orgInterim magisterial inquiry in case of custodial death of Krishan alias Kanwaria P.S. Bhondsi 5391K removed as too large 

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Subject: Fwd: Complaint to CJI 25.04.2011
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Date: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:19 AM
Subject: Fwd: Complaint to CJI 25.04.2011
To: saurabh1275@gmail.com


As discussed.
I got a call from HT yesterday that Mukesh Rao (duty magistrate on 12.01.2010) has been suspended. I checked with a lawyer in Gurgaon on phone and was informed that after he was transferred to Sirsa on 01.04.2011 and submitted report on 02.04.2011, he was suspended around 08.04.2011 for getting orders typed from outside and keeping letterheads of some company. Today a lawyer in the High Court told me that Mukesh Rao was on probation which he has been found unfit couple of days back and so he would possibly be out of service as a result and also that there was some talk of taking favours from some company for house construction and keeping letterheads of some company! The lawyer I spoke to in Gurgaon was quite clear that he believes these are all trumped up charges with ulterior motives and there was never even a rumour about this particular judge being corrupt, corruption in Gurgaon Courts being endemic and rampant. If a corrupt judge has to be caught there are many well deserving cases, none of whom has ever been caught, though a few resigned when regimes were tightened in the recent past.

Regards.

Sarvadaman Oberoi
Tower 1 Flat 1102, The Uniworld Garden,
Sohna Road, Gurgaon 122018 Haryana INDIA
Mobile: +919818768349 Tele: +911244227522
Website: http://www.freewebs.com/homeopathy249/
email: manioberoi@gmail.com

Jaago Re "Aaj Se Khilana Bandh, Pilana Shuru"



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From: Sarvadaman Oberoi <manioberoi@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 4:35 PM
Subject: Complaint to CJI 25.04.2011
To: Hindustan Times <skahuja13@gmail.com>
Cc: PH High Court <highcourt@hry.nic.in>, dsjgrg@hry.nic.in, Central Govt Hon'ble Prime Minister <pmosb@pmo.nic.in>, The Honble Chief Minister Haryana <cm@hry.nic.in>, Central Govt Smt Pratibha Patil Hon'ble President of Indi <presidentofindia@rb.nic.in>, dg-nhrc@nic.in, supremecourt@nic.in



Parvesh Kataria, Om Parkash Kataria  and myself have handed over the attached petition complaining of this custodial death conspiracy, and were assured that the same would be put before the Hon'ble Chief Justice for his kind consideration.
 
Regards.

Sarvadaman Oberoi
Tower 1 Flat 1102, The Uniworld Garden,
Sohna Road, Gurgaon 122018 Haryana INDIA
Mobile: +919818768349 Tele: +911244227522
Website: http://www.freewebs.com/homeopathy249/
email: manioberoi@gmail.com

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On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:59 AM, dr.santosh25 <dr.santosh25@gmail.com> wrote:
Spigelian Hernia: Surgical Anatomy, Embryology, and Technique of
Repair

Authors: Skandalakis, Panagiotis N; Zoras, Odyseas; Skandalakis, John
E; Mirilas, Petros

Source: The American Surgeon, Volume 72, Number 1, January 2006 , pp.
42-48(7)

Publisher: Southeastern Surgical Congress

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:13819 RTI in Police-cum-judicial custody death of Krishan Kumar s/o Ram Parsad on 11.01.2011

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To,                                                                                                Place: Gurgaon

The SPIO                                                                                      Date:  02.05.2011

c/o Mr. Ram Sharan, Assistant Sub-Inspector

DCP (Head Quarter) RTI Cell,

o/o Commissioner of Police, Gurgaon 122001

 

From,

Lt Col (Retd) Sarvadaman Singh Oberoi

1102 Tower 1, Uniworld Garden, Sector 47

Gurgaon 122018, Mob: 9818768349

 

SUBJECT: Information concerning life of person under the Proviso to Section 7(1) of RTI Act, 2005. (To be provided within 48 hours.)

 

PERIOD:  05.08.2009 to 01.05.2011

 

INFORMATION REQUESTED (SHALL BE COLLECTED IN PERSON):

Imminent threat to life of information seeker:

In re police-cum-judicial custody death of Krishan Kumar s/o Ram Parsad on 11.01.2011, admittedly arrested in violation of principle of "need to arrest" settled by the Apex Court (3 judges bench) in Joginder Kumar Vs. State of U.P. 1994 (4) SCC 260 and in violation of Guidelines for Arrest Nos. 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7 & 9 in D.K. Basu vs. State of West Bengal, (1997) 1 SCC 416. The deceased was on bail from 05.08.2009 to 11.02.2010 as per mark-5 of the magisterial inquiry report; in the opinion of Sh. Mukesh Rao, Ld Judicial Magistrate 1st Class, bail cancellation-cum-arrest warrant of 11.01.2010 at mark-6 of the magisterial inquiry report has no basis or support in the records of the criminal case no. 355 of 21.04.2008 FIR No. 75/08 u/s 324/506 IPC P.S. Sector 5 Gurgaon or the police records and evidence placed before him in statutory inquiry into this custodial death. From 10.30 A.M to 5.35 PM on 11.01.2010 the whereabouts and records in terms of Guidelines for Arrest Nos. 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7 & 9 in D.K. Basu (supra) are completely and wholly absent. Case was of Sector 5 Gurgaon, which on oral submission accepts through Virender, Constable No. 719 of Sector 5, Gurgaon that he was picked up at 10.30 AM, and jamatalashi was done but no record kept - then there is a hiatus of 7 hours 5 minutes without any record – then Constable No. 3134 Angrej Singh of City P.S. Gurgaon (whereas case is of Sector 5 Gurgaon) deposits deceased at Bhondsi Jail, and is not seen by inquiry magistrate till 25.03.2011 for 15 months!! Neither of these constables have been able to explain any cogent reason why it was so very essential to arrest the deceased and deposit him in jail – the police had the power to arrange with the magistrate to let him go at any time if it so wished. Was it pressure/ persuasion directly on the two "friendly" S.H.O.s in City P.S. and Sector 5 P.S. from minister Sukhbir Kataria and his friend, minister Gopal Kanda? Was it because we had assisted in recording of a video program revealing fraud perpetrated by said minister in voter registration by a prominent TV channel in Dec 2009-Jan 2010? There are no records at all to indicate how it became so necessary to violate the principle of "need to arrest" mandated by the Apex Court in  Joginder Kumar Vs. State of U.P. (supra). As far as my inquiries go I find no indication of DCP South or DCP West or superior officers being involved in cover up in this case. Of course they are completely ineffective when it comes to registering FIRs against relatives of ministers even after orders of Chief Secretary, Haryana and Chief Electoral Officer, Haryana. The Apex Court in Joginder Kumar Vs. State of U.P. (supra) held:

"The above guidelines(Third Report of the National Police Commission at p. 32) are merely the incidents of personal liberty guaranteed under the Constitution of India. No arrest can be made because it is lawful for the police officer to do so. The existence of the power to arrest is one thing. The justification for the exercise of it is quite another. The police officer must be able to justify the arrest apart from his power to do so. Arrest and detention in police lock-up of a person can cause incalculable harm to the reputation and self-esteem of a person. No arrest can be made in a routine manner on a mere allegation of commission of an offence made against a person. It would be prudent for a police officer in the interest of protection of the constitutional rights of a citizen and perhaps in his own interest that no arrest should be made without a reasonable satisfaction reached after some investigation as to the genuineness and bona fides of a complaint and a reasonable belief both as to the person's complicity and even so as to the need to effect arrest. Denying a person of his liberty is a serious matter. The recommendations of the Police Commission merely reflect the constitutional concomitants of the fundamental right to personal liberty and freedom."

 

In a historic decision, Mehboob Batcha v. State rep by Supdt of Police (Cr App 1511 of 2003) judgement delivered on 29.03.2011, the Apex Court held:

"15. We are surprised that the accused were not charged under Section 302 IPC and instead the Courts below treated the death of Nandagopal as suicide. In fact they should have been charged under that provision and awarded death sentence, as murder by policemen in police custody is in our opinion in the category of rarest of rare cases deserving death sentence, but surprisingly no charge under Section 302 IPC was framed against any of the accused. We are constrained to say that both the trial Court and High Court have failed in their duty in this connection."

 

I am working for last about two years with deceased's brother Om Parkash Kataria s/o Ram Parsad to unearth the alleged forged voter cards and forged ration cards in Gurgaon. Since 15.09.2009, we have been meeting the Chief Election Commissioner of India, sometimes accompanied by Dharambir Gaba, ex-MLA Gurgaon and Umesh Agarwal, BJP candidate for Gurgaon  Assembly Elections in October 2009, and complaining to him against relatives of minister Sukhbir Kataria for having multiple bogus voter cards and many FIRs are pending with Gurgaon Police for registration for last many months and no inquiry is being finalized so as to either accept to register FIR or reject to register FIR, in spite of orders of Chief Secretary Haryana; we have also met the State Election Commissioner of Haryana concerning fraudulent voter registration in Gurgaon, the State Information Commissioner of Haryana (Shri Prem Veer Singh) concerning fraudulent ration card registration in Gurgaon; we have been regularly providing all the information required  for prosecuting of EP 9/2009 Umesh Agarwal Vs. Sukhbir and EP 10/2009 Dharambir Gaba Vs. Sukhbir & Ors, before the Punjab & Haryana High Court, where highly damaging information against minister Sukhbir Kataria has already been revealed. EP 9/2009 and EP 10/2009 are coming up for a crucial hearing on 03.05.2011 where much more damaging information is likely to be revealed. Also a writ petition was filed in December 2010 to clean up electoral registration fraud in Gurgaon titled CWP 22303 of 2010 Matdata Jagrookta Manch Vs. State of Haryana and others, the petitioners being  Matdata Jagrookta Manch through its President, Om Parkash Kataria, National Citizens Movement through its President, Lt Col (Retd) Sarvadaman Singh Oberoi and Mission Gurgaon Development through its Treasurer, Lt Col (Retd) Sarvadaman Singh Oberoi; this matter is also expected to come up for hearing on 03.05.2011. Since matters are coming to a head, in next two days, life of the information seeker is in danger and this threat perception has been informed to the media, the Hon'ble Punjab & Haryana High Court and Hon'ble Supreme Court of India in an Email sent at 7.20 P.M. on 22.04.2011 referring to the earlier Email sent at 2.25 A.M. on 14.01.2010 (last year) to the Hon'ble Punjab & Haryana High Court. (Copies of Emails are attached.) The Tribune, The Hindustan Times and various Hindi newspapers have covered this matter on 30.04.2011 and 01.05.2011. A press conference was also held at office of Umesh Agarwal, (the BJP candidate in the Gurgaon  Assembly Elections 2009) at 11.30 AM on 01.05.2011.

 

Point Wise Information Sought:

Point 1:Background Information:

An FIR/ private complaint, drafted by me, was registered by wife and brother of deceased with P.S. Bhondsi on 23.04.2011 in my presence. We noted that the guidelines for arrest of NHRC and the guidelines of Apex Court in DK Basu (supra) were NOT put up anywhere in P.S.Bhondsi in gross violation of orders and law. I have been telephonically informed by S.H.O. of  P.S. Bhondsi today that he has neither rejected nor accepted to register the F.I.R in this private complaint of 23.04.2011, and is awaiting direction from DCP South. DCP South has telephonically informed me that the magisterial inquiry which was submitted on 02.04.2011 to District & Sessions Judge Gurgaon (on leave till about 21.04.2011) has been sent to Jail Superintendent, Bhondsi for some inquiry, and as he, DCP South, is under transfer, further inquiry may be made to Commissioner Police or Joint Commissioner Police, Gurgaon, as deemed fit. Jail Superintendent, Bhondsi (posted in recently) has telephonically informed me that he has only received inquiry reference from District & Sessions Judge Gurgaon on 30.04.2011 and will commence some inquiry on 02.05.2011, whether with or without consulting the relatives and friends of the deceased (in the spirit of Arrest Guideline Nos. 3 & 4 in D.K. Basu vs. State of West Bengal (1997) 1 SCC 416 which requires involvement of friends and relatives in arrest process) was not stated by him nor asked by me as no law at present provides for such facility to friends and relatives. For more information I was politely informed that Director General Prisons is the higher authority to provide information. All the officers were however very polite and courteous. Why are the suo moto powers of Police Commissioner to register Section 302 IPC case against at least the direct police and jail staff recorded to be involved (Constables Virender No. 719 & Angrej Singh No. 3134 and Jail Warders Rambir No. 480 & Desh Raj No. 1170) not being exercised in spite of Article 141 Law strictly mandated on 29.03.2011 in Mehboob Batcha (supra)?

 

Information Requested Point 1:

(a) Which is the nodal police station in this custodial death case out of those named below?

(i)   P.S. Sector 5 Gurgaon.

(ii)  P.S. City, Gurgaon.

(iii) P.S. Bhondsi, Gurgaon.

(b) Who is the concerned DCP in this custodial death case out of those named below?

(i)  DCP South.

(ii) DCP West.

 

(c) Kindly give information as to why are the powers of Police to register Section 302 IPC case against at least the direct police and jail staff recorded to be involved in custodial death (Constables Virender No. 719 & Angrej Singh No. 3134 and Jail Warders Rambir No. 480 & Desh Raj No. 1170) not being exercised in spite of mandate of Article 141 Law in K.H. Shekarappa v State of Karnataka (supra) and strictly mandated on 29.03.2011 in Mehboob Batcha (supra)?

 

Point 2:

Background Information:

I. After receipt of 15 page magisterial inquiry report dt 02.04.2011 from District & Sessions Judge Gurgaon (soon after his return from leave) on 22.04.2011 under an RTI request of the same date, 22.04.2011 (well within 48 hours of RTI request dated 22.04.2011 as information sought was concerning life of person) an internet check of all information on custodial deaths in last 10 years in India was commenced by me. Record of Haryana (in Haryana Human Rights Report 2007) was found to be amongst the worst in India, the State Government even declining  before the Punjab & Haryana High Court in 2006 to constitute a State Human Rights Commission. The advocate who is assisting Shri Om Parkash Kataria in the custodial death since 12.01.2010 kept assuring us for many months that inquiry report is soon to be finalized, as all the witnesses have not yet been examined, viscera report is not ready, till finally on 02.04.2011 an interim report was submitted, because, and only because, the inquiry magistrate was transferred to Sirsa on 01.04.2011 six days after a highly damaging statement of Constable No. 3134 Angrej Singh of 25.03.2011 was recorded. Inquiry was officially stated to be delayed (even before NHRC) because the cause of death was not yet established due unexplained and continuing delay of 16 months in receipt of viscera report. The main witness, Constable No. 3134 Angrej Singh ex- City P.S. Gurgaon, allegedly gunman of Mullana MLA Chaudhary Rajbir Singh of INLD posted at Ambala since September 2010, only came to give statement on 25.03.2011, after unexplained delay of 15 months and initially said he does not know or remember anything after so many months. These two delays took place even after I had expressed my concern in a report made under Article 51A of the Constitution to the High Court in my email dated 14.01.2010. (attached). In January 2010 there was wide media coverage of this case and deceased's brother, Om Parkash Kataria was prominently mentioned. It appears that the inquiry magistrate and the District & Sessions Judge Gurgaon (and he has the good company of our advocate, myself, wife and brother of the deceased, Commissioner Police, Gurgaon etc) had not a clue till today, that this case of custodial death has been dismissed by NHRC after a stage managed "full" inquiry (which was detected in internet search at 11 A.M. on 01.05.2011) The said fraudulently filed case, behind the back of deceased's brother raises many questions by seeking only a meager Rs 10 lakhs compensation and suspension only of Jail Superintendent, Bhondsi. The said fraudulently filed case was tried before the NHRC in February 2010 for violation of NHRC Guidelines of 24 hour reporting clause and 14 days clause to submit PMR; delay was admitted in the proceedings but covered up as follows:

(a) "intimation about death in jail as per guidelines of the Commission appear to have not been received…issue notice… why this death was not reported to the Commission within 24 Hrs of occurrence", and

(b) "District Magistrate Gurgaon, Deputy Commissioner Of Police (West) Gurgaon and SHO Police Station Sec-05, Gurgaon, were duely informed vide this Office PTM No. 585-89 dated 12-01-2010 message delivered by hand by Asstt. Supdt. Jail Bijender Singh Joon and Warder Gaje Singh of this Jail. Financial Commissioner and Principal Secretary, Director General of Prisons, Haryana and your good Office were also intimated vide above quoted PTM No."[Affidavit of Jail Superintendent, Bhondsi] Not any Registered letter No., not any Speedpost letter No., not any Diary No. finds any sort of a mention in the said affidavit.

 

II.  NHRC Case File Number: 181/7/5/2010-AD Diary Number 6432 dt 07.02.2010 having been fraudulently filed (fraudulent because it did not seek suspension of the police/ S.H.O. involved in this wrongful arrest but of Jail Superintendent alone) behind the back of the Commissioner Police, P.S. Bhondsi, P.S. Sector 5, DCP South, DCP West, inquiry magistrate, our advocate, myself and wife and brother of deceased, and perhaps even DC Gurgaon who was a disinterested party, NHRC Case was "duly" dismissed after the lone affidavit of Jail Superintendent, Bhondsi, in this fraudulent complaint seeking to "Direct the State Government of Haryana to suspend the Superintendent of Bhondsi Jail, Gurgaon to facilitate fair and impartial investigation". What is troubling is that the NHRC sent notices only to Jail Superintendent, Bhondsi and to DC Gurgaon (who is expected, as per NHRC guidelines to activate the District Police but presumably did not even activate himself), but the lone affidavit dated 26.02.2010 was filed by Jail Superintendent, Bhondsi, an implicated party, and mysteriously, there was no affidavit from the disinterested party, the DC Gurgaon. The NHRC case is fatally flawed on five incontrovertible admitted facts. The only affidavit was from an implicated party, who was facing possible suspension so as to enable independent investigation, demanded even by the fraudulent complainant, namely, Jail Superintendent, Bhondsi. This suspect affidavit stated THREE fatal falsehoods and TWO fatal omissions on affidavit:

 

(a) "Due postmortem was got conducted on the body of deceased on 13-01-2010 by a panel of three Medical officer constituted by CMO General Hospital Gurgaon in the presence of Sh. Mukesh Rao, Ld Judicial Magistrate 1st Class":

(The truth is that orders of Sh. Mukesh Rao, Ld Judicial Magistrate 1st Class to carry out post mortem on 12.01.2011 were disobeyed by CMO, Dr S.S. Dalal. Sh. Mukesh Rao, Ld Judicial Magistrate 1st Class admittedly did not attend post mortem on 13.01.2011, and when the PMR earlier received by his staff at about 10AM on 13.01.2011 was put up at about 1 PM he ordered, in presence of our advocate, fresh PMR be done, (since the doctors had neglected to mention injury marks on the back, earlier duly photographed by photographer of P.S. Bhondsi in 15 photographs  in presence of Sh. Mukesh Rao, Ld Judicial Magistrate 1st Class, exhibited at mark-7 to mark-21 of report) but it was too late by then as the highly decomposed body had been cremated, because CMO Gurgaon illegally handed over body for cremation at 12 Noon without formal release orders of Sh. Mukesh Rao, Ld Judicial Magistrate 1st Class to so release the body, in the spirit of the order that PMR shall be carried out in presence of the duty magistrate. This grave omission had been informed by me to Hon'ble High Court in Email of 14.01.2010 in spite of which viscera report is still missing and mandatory FIR under Section 302 / Article 141 Law against police/jail staff involved has yet not been registered in violation of mandate of Section 106 of the Evidence Act. [K.H. Shekarappa v State of Karnataka 2010 (3) SCR 883]

 

(b) "The Honble Commission is further apprised that a judicial inquiry was got conducted by Sh. Mukesh Rao, Judicial Magistrate 1st Class, Gurgaon on 12-01-2010 into the cause of death of UTP on the order of Ld Distt. and Session Judge Gurgaon."

(The truth  is judicial inquiry was stymied till 25.03.2011 for want of crucial witness Constable No. 3134 Angrej Singh ex- City P.S. Gurgaon for 15 months and the implication sought to be imputed in this false affidavit that judicial inquiry had found no fault is deception amounting to false evidence and abetment in a prima facie murder case punishable under Section 302 IPC.)

 

(c) "No apparent injury marks were seen on the deceased body as opined by the Jail Medical Officer on the basis of Postmortem report….. Inquest was conducted by a Judicial Magistrate….. complaint seems to be misleading and mischievous and far away from truth"

(A very clever twist of words – mark "jail medical officer" not "civil hospital doctors" and the implication sought to be imputed in this false affidavit that inquest "by a Judicial Magistrate" had found no fault is deception amounting to false evidence and abetment in a prima facie murder case punishable under Section 302 IPC. In magisterial inquiry the "jail medical officer" Dr. Renu Sharma has admitted on affidavit that she did "not used to let off all the clothes….for being checked….impossible to practically check each and every person" for those 4 to 5 days she had been working all alone single doctor and physically unable to be 24 hours on duty and "the possibility of death due to injuries cannot be ruled out.")

 

(d)  First fatal omission is neglecting to bring attention to 15 photographs of heavy bruising taken in presence of jail officials and placed at mark-7 to mark-21.

 

(e) Second fatal omission is failure to apprise the NHRC that after jamatalashi duly recorded banned items of beedi and yellow metal pendant which are mandatory to be kept in safe custody were recovered by doctors during post mortem on 13.01.2010, hence jamatalashi was only paperwork and no body search or letting off clothes to check for injuries on back was done.

 

Information Requested Point 2:

(a) Copies of mandatory records of police officials from 10 AM on 01.12.2009 to 5.35 PM on 11.01.2010 in re deceased Krishan strictly in accordance with Guidelines for Arrest Nos. 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7 & 9 in D.K. Basu vs. State of West Bengal(supra) may kindly be provided. (Additional reasonable cost required to be deposited for this or any other information herein which is mandated to be provided within 48 hours may be informed immediately on mobile no. 9818768349 as was done by o/o District & Sessions Judge, Gurgaon on 22.04.2011.)

 

(b)  Apex Court mandated "no arrest should be made without a reasonable satisfaction reached after some investigation" in Joginder Kumar Vs. State of U.P. (supra). Kindly provide a copy of the record of investigation or a synopsis of the investigation by police officer leading to "reasonable satisfaction" in arrest-cum-cancellation of bail prematurely on 11.01.2010 whereas surety of wife of deceased was valid till 11.02.2010 in this "minor" case.

(No "reasonable satisfaction" has been provided in the magisterial inquiry. This omission gives rise to Section 302 IPC and Section 106 Evidence Act presumption of law against custodian officials that deceased arrested on his two feet at 10.30 AM on 11.01.2010 was reportedly seen in discomfort at 8.30 PM and brought dead to Civil Hospital at 7.35 AM. [K.H. Shekarappa v State of Karnataka (supra)] But considering all the lies told in this case deceased could have been dead earlier on the day of 11.01.2010 or at night, and hence the post mortem in all probability was strategically delayed to 13.01.2010 to diffuse time differentiation factor. Note here that at 10 AM on 12.01.2010 two constables from Sector 5,  Gurgaon P.S. informed wife of deceased that her husband is admitted in the Civil Hospital, and not dead, neither brought dead. If he was indeed brought dead why additional delay of over 2 hours was added – were the doctors already aware that deceased had passed away 7 to 8 hours prior and were pressurized by police officials during the more than two and half hours that they did not inform the wife of deceased? The phone records for 11.01.2010 of Jail staff, officiating and permanent Jail Superintendent, two ministers named and two S.H.O.s named would in that case very well tell a tale.

 

(c) Kindly provide one set of 15 photographs  taken by photographer of P.S. Bhondsi in presence of Sh. Mukesh Rao, Ld Judicial Magistrate 1st Class, exhibited at mark-7 to mark-21 of his inquiry report. It may be noted that NHRC guidelines require videography of post mortem and brook no delay in conduct of post mortem; both guidelines were blatantly in breach here.

 

 

Place: Gurgaon

Date: 02.05.2011

                                                                                              Lt Col (Retd) Sarvadaman Singh Oberoi

Postal Order for Rs 100/-

(Kindly call Mob: 9818768349 if additional fees are to be deposited, as information is requested within 48 hours under Proviso to Section 7 (1) of RTI Act, 2005)

 

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