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* why I'll never ride sram in any grand tour or one day classic - 15 messages,
10 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d6e0391dd7450e74?hl=en
* Distracted drivers on cell phones kill more American's each year than Osama
did in total - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5d80acdfc59d1110?hl=en
* No problem with doping in NFL - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7c3c23b9310f2d44?hl=en
* Clear evidence of widespread USCF doping - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2eaefc17b3db9fcc?hl=en
* Lance Out of 2011 Giro d'Italia - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9fdb782ee4f234ae?hl=en
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TOPIC: why I'll never ride sram in any grand tour or one day classic
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d6e0391dd7450e74?hl=en
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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 4 2011 11:48 pm
From: yirgster
A few weeks ago my sram force shift lever (the actual paddle that you
push) broke off on the right shifter. 30 miles to go.
Looking around in the forums, I'm not alone. Maybe an extra 10 grams
or so would have helped.
About 3000-4000 miles.
== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 6:28 am
From: Phil H
On May 4, 11:48 pm, yirgster <yirg.ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A few weeks ago my sram force shift lever (the actual paddle that you
> push) broke off on the right shifter. 30 miles to go.
>
> Looking around in the forums, I'm not alone. Maybe an extra 10 grams
> or so would have helped.
>
> About 3000-4000 miles.
I hope you were stuck in a 53/14 with no hills.
Phil H
== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 6:50 am
From: Clive George
On 05/05/2011 07:48, yirgster wrote:
> A few weeks ago my sram force shift lever (the actual paddle that you
> push) broke off on the right shifter. 30 miles to go.
>
> Looking around in the forums, I'm not alone. Maybe an extra 10 grams
> or so would have helped.
>
> About 3000-4000 miles.
I've bust two campag shift levers so far.
== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 9:01 am
From: bfd
On May 5, 6:50 am, Clive George <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> On 05/05/2011 07:48, yirgster wrote:
>
> > A few weeks ago my sram force shift lever (the actual paddle that you
> > push) broke off on the right shifter. 30 miles to go.
>
> > Looking around in the forums, I'm not alone. Maybe an extra 10 grams
> > or so would have helped.
>
> > About 3000-4000 miles.
>
> I've bust two campag shift levers so far.
But you have been able to repair them, right?! :) Good Luck!
== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 10:12 am
From: "Fred on a stick"
Dumbass,
You'll never ride in any grand tour or one day classic.
== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 10:20 am
From: "Colin B."
In rec.bicycles.tech yirgster <yirg.kenya@gmail.com> wrote:
> A few weeks ago my sram force shift lever (the actual paddle that you
> push) broke off on the right shifter. 30 miles to go.
>
> Looking around in the forums, I'm not alone. Maybe an extra 10 grams
> or so would have helped.
>
> About 3000-4000 miles.
Had a shiny new Shimano MTB brake lever snap off on me - a brake lever!
No torsion on that, just weak metal, bad design, or flaws.
Shit happens.
== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 10:58 am
From: yirgster
Gosh, you think?
== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 10:58 am
From: yirgster
Thanks! Not quite such luck though.
The lever broke just at a start of a climb (the hill to the cheese factory in Marin, if you're familiar).
My two friends and I were just looking at it sort of flummoxed when someone else pulled over, saying, let's just adjust the cable. Don't know why I didn't think of that. I've fixed bikes.
So, I selected a cog, he quickly adjusted the cable so that it sat on it, yielding 2 fixed gears, one per chainring, obviously.
There was this hill and one more, the Marshall wall (doesn't deserve that sobriquet, imo) to the coast. No problema, thankfully. On the flats and downhills I quickly outran the gears.
== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 11:10 am
From: yirgster
On the road, as per my reply to Phil H above.
The group was still under warranty. You have to go through the dealer for sram. At least that's what they said on their web site. I called them--neuvation cycling. They promptly, that day, sent out a new lever, asking that I return the busted one so they could get credit. Arrived in two days. Sent back the other.
It was about a week before the bike was back together. Meanwhile I had to slum it on my old Habanero ti. Don't know how I managed.
== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 11:24 am
From: "Fred on a stick"
Dumbass,
Fixed your subject line for you.
== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 2:10 pm
From: landotter
On May 5, 1:48 am, yirgster <yirg.ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A few weeks ago my sram force shift lever (the actual paddle that you
> push) broke off on the right shifter. 30 miles to go.
>
> Looking around in the forums, I'm not alone. Maybe an extra 10 grams
> or so would have helped.
>
> About 3000-4000 miles.
Which model year? They switched to magnesium last year which may have
contributed to gimpiness. I'd contact Sram and see if you can warranty
the levers.
== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 2:40 pm
From: yirgster
I got the bike late July, 2010, so I assume they're the latest.
Per a previous reply, they were warranty replaced immediately by the dealer, neuvationcycling.com
== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 6:12 pm
From: Snortley
On Thu, 5 May 2011 14:10:07 -0700 (PDT), landotter
<landotter@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 5, 1:48 am, yirgster <yirg.ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> A few weeks ago my sram force shift lever (the actual paddle that you
>> push) broke off on the right shifter. 30 miles to go.
>>
>> Looking around in the forums, I'm not alone. Maybe an extra 10 grams
>> or so would have helped.
>>
>> About 3000-4000 miles.
>
>Which model year? They switched to magnesium last year which may have
>contributed to gimpiness. I'd contact Sram and see if you can warranty
>the levers.
I haven't had any SRAM parts break, but I've wanted spares, and had an
awful time getting them.
They are very generous with exploded diagrams and part numbers, but
the actual pieces are next to impossible to obtain. Some European bike
shops list a few for sale, but if you try to order them, they turn
out to actually not be in stock.
I did once ask a LBS to order axle nuts and a click box for a SRAM
DualDrive hub. The manager had to go through a ton of red tape to get
them. After over six months of runarounds, he finally got the order -
2 sets of nuts (weird size: 10.5 x 1) and washers and 2 click boxes.
When I asked how much, he replied, "No charge; warranteed items."
Can't beat the price, but SRAM's policy is discouraging.
Apparently, they would rather you just swap out a $250 component when
the problem is just one piece worth only a few bucks. For most of
their customers, this isn't a problem. Most of them won't put more
than a few hundred miles on their bikes in a lifetime, so nothing
breaks. For anyone who rides a lot, though, it can be a real
irritation.
I guess the days are long gone since you could get hold of all sorts
of spares. Once upon a time, many manufacturers were at the ready
with every little piece one way or another.
Nowadays, when when we in the West manufacture so little, and use the
dustbin rather than repair anything, this is to be expected. Fairly
often I've found myself in the home of someone who doesn't even have a
screwdriver or pair of pliers. If no one fixes anything, why bother
with parts?
Last month, I was on a lunch break in the middle of a ride. Outside
the diner where I was sitting, there was a long line of patrons at a
table in front of a housewares store. I wondered what was in such
demand that so many were turning out. Then I saw the banner
advertising the deal: bring in you chef's knife for a free sharpening!
These people couldn't even sharpen a kitchen knife! Not a few, but
they were showing up in droves! What the store was offering seemed
like a sign of the times. Would this have been a draw 50 years ago?
Probably not. What will be next? A shoe store offering to tie
shoelaces for free? We're becoming helpless. Last year, on a club
ride, someone's chain broke. No problem, maybe; I had an extra 9-speed
master link with me. I asked the rider how many rear cogs she had. She
didn't know. Probably couldn't sharpen a knife, either. (She had nine
cogs; the chain was fixed.)
You very well may get the same "warranteed item" policy on your
brifter, in which case you're set, though with another brittle paddle.
The way those things tend to be riveted and crimped together, it
probably couldn't be remedied with a replacement part, anyway. Still,
you have to wonder just how much it would set SRAM back to keep a room
stocked with spares, for the few remaining who do have a few tools
around the house, and know how to use them. I reckon if they did, the
payback in their reputation would give them such a competetive edge,
it would be well worth it. But I've got to stop thinking that way;
that's SO twentieth century.
== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 6:32 pm
From: "Ronsonic"
"Snortley" <jtkirk@enterprise.mil> wrote in message
news:a6f6s6dmupb7man53tdfho0bepkimsds1u@4ax.com...
> Last month, I was on a lunch break in the middle of a ride. Outside
> the diner where I was sitting, there was a long line of patrons at a
> table in front of a housewares store. I wondered what was in such
> demand that so many were turning out. Then I saw the banner
> advertising the deal: bring in you chef's knife for a free sharpening!
> These people couldn't even sharpen a kitchen knife! Not a few, but
> they were showing up in droves! What the store was offering seemed
> like a sign of the times. Would this have been a draw 50 years ago?
>
Fifty years ago there was an old guy on a pedal powered thingawachit who
rode through the neighborhood ringing a bell. He sharpened knives. And
scissors! The sign was real big about the scissors but knives were his core
business.
Not only was it a draw, but a big enough of one to be worth delivering.
== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 8:02 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">
On 5/5/2011 8:12 PM, Snortley wrote:
> [...]
> Last month, I was on a lunch break in the middle of a ride. Outside
> the diner where I was sitting, there was a long line of patrons at a
> table in front of a housewares store. I wondered what was in such
> demand that so many were turning out. Then I saw the banner
> advertising the deal: bring in you chef's knife for a free sharpening!
> These people couldn't even sharpen a kitchen knife! Not a few, but
> they were showing up in droves! What the store was offering seemed
> like a sign of the times. Would this have been a draw 50 years ago?
Think of the hundreds of people milling around with now sharpened
kitchen knives!
> Probably not. What will be next? A shoe store offering to tie
> shoelaces for free? We're becoming helpless. Last year, on a club
> ride, someone's chain broke. No problem, maybe; I had an extra 9-speed
> master link with me. I asked the rider how many rear cogs she had. She
> didn't know. Probably couldn't sharpen a knife, either. (She had nine
> cogs; the chain was fixed.)
With 5 through 8-speed chain, one could remove the broken link and
reconnect the chain with a chain tool. With 9 through 11-speed chain,
one needs a special stupid pin (Shimano) or a quick-link (all).
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
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TOPIC: Distracted drivers on cell phones kill more American's each year than
Osama did in total
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5d80acdfc59d1110?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 6:12 am
From: Phil H
On May 4, 4:33 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 3:37 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Ronsonic" <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:4dc182ef$0$8741$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
> > > "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:90ec6d00-056a-4678-a5ec-a010c3fd09e7@i39g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > >> When will the US Govt protect the lives of innocent Americans at
> > >> home ?
>
> > > Well, if you're suggesting we shoot cell-phone-drivers in the head I could
> > > probably get behind that.
>
> > And rbr thread without controversy does not an rbr thread make. Anton's
> > slipping.
>
> > --Mike Jacoubowsky
> > Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> > Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> You're right - it's the lousiest troll post ever - but I did want to
> remind everyone about the real enemy.
You have a point, in the same 10 years of war where 6 000 US soldiers
have lost their lives, the US has lost 350 000 in traffic deaths and
170 000 in gun associated homicides here at home. An interesting
perspective.
Phil H
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TOPIC: No problem with doping in NFL
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7c3c23b9310f2d44?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 6:26 am
From: Phil H
On May 4, 6:34 pm, "Ronsonic" <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8b34ada7-9144-4185-9cd2-48430588e4c3@p7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Looks like they get it all done between college and their first
> > paycheck.
>
> > "First paycheck" that isn't cash, cars or cunt.
>
> >http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Von-Mille...
>
> Are we shocked that the sort of young men drafted by the NFL are the sort
> who, when put into a professionally managed training environment, put on a
> bunch of muscle between the ages of 18 and 23?
>
> Because we know it just ain't natural for a guy that age to bulk up by
> lifting weights and eating and stuff.
>
> Yeah, yeah, there is that "and stuff," but really, this isn't exactly
> freaky.
Exactly, how does the reported statistic compare with the general
population's weight increase from age 18 to 23?
Phil H
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 7:13 am
From: Vagina Gorilla
On May 5, 8:26 am, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 6:34 pm, "Ronsonic" <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:8b34ada7-9144-4185-9cd2-48430588e4c3@p7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Looks like they get it all done between college and their first
> > > paycheck.
>
> > > "First paycheck" that isn't cash, cars or cunt.
>
> > >http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Von-Mille...
>
> > Are we shocked that the sort of young men drafted by the NFL are the sort
> > who, when put into a professionally managed training environment, put on a
> > bunch of muscle between the ages of 18 and 23?
>
> > Because we know it just ain't natural for a guy that age to bulk up by
> > lifting weights and eating and stuff.
>
> > Yeah, yeah, there is that "and stuff," but really, this isn't exactly
> > freaky.
>
> Exactly, how does the reported statistic compare with the general
> population's weight increase from age 18 to 23?
> Phil H
HS kids are juiced too
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 7:28 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 5/5/2011 9:13 AM, Vagina Gorilla wrote:
> On May 5, 8:26 am, Phil H<pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 4, 6:34 pm, "Ronsonic"<ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Anton Berlin"<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:8b34ada7-9144-4185-9cd2-48430588e4c3@p7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>> Looks like they get it all done between college and their first
>>>> paycheck.
>>
>>>> "First paycheck" that isn't cash, cars or cunt.
>>
>>>> http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Von-Mille...
>>
>>> Are we shocked that the sort of young men drafted by the NFL are the sort
>>> who, when put into a professionally managed training environment, put on a
>>> bunch of muscle between the ages of 18 and 23?
>>
>>> Because we know it just ain't natural for a guy that age to bulk up by
>>> lifting weights and eating and stuff.
>>
>>> Yeah, yeah, there is that "and stuff," but really, this isn't exactly
>>> freaky.
>>
>> Exactly, how does the reported statistic compare with the general
>> population's weight increase from age 18 to 23?
>> Phil H
>
> HS kids are juiced too
Maybe a decade ago I saw an article where a guy looked up the listed
weights of star high school linemen over a ten year period. He found
about a 50 lb (22.7 kg) weight gain. I'll bet just about every Div 1
recruit is familiar with "stuff".
Fred Flintstein
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 9:19 am
From: Jim Feeley
Vagina Gorilla <vaginagorilla@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 8:26 am, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 4, 6:34 pm, "Ronsonic" <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:8b34ada7-9144-4185-9cd2-48430588e4c3@p7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > Looks like they get it all done between college and their first
>> > > paycheck.
>>
>> > > "First paycheck" that isn't cash, cars or cunt.
>>
>> > >http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Von-Mille.
..
>>
>> > Are we shocked that the sort of young men drafted by the NFL are the so
rt
>> > who, when put into a professionally managed training environment, put o
n a
>> > bunch of muscle between the ages of 18 and 23?
>>
>> > Because we know it just ain't natural for a guy that age to bulk up by
>> > lifting weights and eating and stuff.
>>
>> > Yeah, yeah, there is that "and stuff," but really, this isn't exactly
>> > freaky.
>>
>> Exactly, how does the reported statistic compare with the general
>> population's weight increase from age 18 to 23?
>> Phil H
>
> HS kids are juiced too
Also, reported player weights are frequently inaccurate. Depending on position,
weights are inflated or deflated by coaching staffs, agents, and players. So
some of the weight gain is due to "and stuff." But how much?
And yes, some high school kids are juiced. But how many? The published surveys
are fairly bogus. Texas recently released the results of their steroid testing
program for high school athletes. 2083 tests, one positive (and one failure to
show up for the test). But those tests included golfers and others who might be
less likely to use steroids. It looks like only 469 of the tests were of
football players (there's a category for boys multi-sport athletes; 344 of those
were tested). Texas is a big state. So who knows if the test results show that
not many kids use steroids or if the testing was week.
Jim
--
Jim
Jim Feeley
POV Media
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 9:28 am
From: "Ronsonic"
"Phil H" <pholman50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:61d3feb7-5292-4e3b-a399-cc8073ecc4da@f15g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On May 4, 6:34 pm, "Ronsonic" <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8b34ada7-9144-4185-9cd2-48430588e4c3@p7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Looks like they get it all done between college and their first
> > paycheck.
>
> > "First paycheck" that isn't cash, cars or cunt.
>
> >http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Von-Mille...
>
> Are we shocked that the sort of young men drafted by the NFL are the sort
> who, when put into a professionally managed training environment, put on a
> bunch of muscle between the ages of 18 and 23?
>
> Because we know it just ain't natural for a guy that age to bulk up by
> lifting weights and eating and stuff.
>
> Yeah, yeah, there is that "and stuff," but really, this isn't exactly
> freaky.
>Exactly, how does the reported statistic compare with the general
>population's weight increase from age 18 to 23?
These kids aren't the general population, that's sorta the entire point
about them. They are self-selected and then further selected by experts over
a period of years. They wouldn't have either Div I scholarships or NFL draft
positions if they were normal.
They are distinctive in both seeking / accepting rigorous training and by
responding to it. I could (did) pound hell out of myself in the weight room
without much upper body bulk for a result. The same is probably true for
most cyclists.
I don't doubt there's some serious juicing going on. At the same time,
that's an age when muscle growth is at a peak anyway. The idea that there's
something unnatural about a guy that age packing on 30 pounds of muscle over
four years of intense, professionally coached training is almost as weird as
the theory that anyone who goes faster than Greg Lemond must be drugged.
IOW, as "proof" of doping goes, this is about the weakest evidence that
could be presented.
Some of the other weight gains cited in that article are also unremarkable.
The guy who went from Tight End to Tackle and picked up 50 some pounds is
not surprising either. Hell some people gain that much just from getting a
desk job.
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TOPIC: Clear evidence of widespread USCF doping
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2eaefc17b3db9fcc?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 10:10 am
From: RicodJour
http://tinyurl.com/Here-There-Be-Dopers
It's revolting.
R
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 2:15 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On May 5, 12:10 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/Here-There-Be-Dopers
>
> It's revolting.
>
> R
I blame Hollywood - ever since "Searching for Brian Lafferty" came out
the chess world hasn't been the same
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 3:22 pm
From: BL
On 5/5/2011 5:15 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On May 5, 12:10 pm, RicodJour<ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/Here-There-Be-Dopers
>>
>> It's revolting.
>>
>> R
>
> I blame Hollywood - ever since "Searching for Brian Lafferty" came out
> the chess world hasn't been the same
:-)
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TOPIC: Lance Out of 2011 Giro d'Italia
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9fdb782ee4f234ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 5 2011 6:15 pm
From: Zenon
Lance, the one nut dickhead, will not be in the Giro d'Italia this
year because:
1) He only has one nut
2) He's too fucking old
3) They don't allow injections
4) He'll be home counting his money
5) He'll be flying around in his jet
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