Thursday, May 12, 2011

rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Road ID - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/58bcc70450331802?hl=en
* Giro d'Italia - stage 6 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e97f4bafee56a9e8?hl=en
* Weisel - 10 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/46cfbc4d175a4d4a?hl=en
* Golfing is more dangerous than cycling. HERE"S YOUR FUCKING PRESSURE ! - 2
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cdbde35e3b34194c?hl=en
* Looking at Armstrong - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c0d44bd8749d8e65?hl=en
* Yahoo News: Tiger Quits After Nine Ho's - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f7a8eae547eea594?hl=en
* Close call on a training ride - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b0b3dce207ab2b5a?hl=en

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TOPIC: Road ID
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/58bcc70450331802?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 12:19 pm
From: Phil H


This is what I'm thinking of putting on mine...

Call 911, if I'm not in any shape to give you my name and address then
don't waste any time calling anyone else....pleases call 911.
Thanks :)
Phil H


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 1:12 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On May 12, 2:19 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is what I'm thinking of putting on mine...
>
> Call 911, if I'm not in any shape to give you my name and address then
> don't waste any time calling anyone else....pleases call 911.
> Thanks :)
> Phil H

Not until we disarm your bazooka and determine if you've had as many
brain injuries as the assholes that invented this product.

But they do have a good idea in Bob Roll promoting "Road ID" by
wearing it in his bed. They should make a product called "Skank ID"

When you wake up with some skank you can look at her "Skank ID" and
then call her sorority sisters to come pick her up.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 2:02 pm
From: Vagina Gorilla

> When you wake up with some skank you can look at her "Skank ID" and
> then call her sorority sisters to come pick her up.

Isn't the first thing a sorority girl does in the morning is walk
home ?

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TOPIC: Giro d'Italia - stage 6 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e97f4bafee56a9e8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 12:22 pm
From: Bob Martin


Stage 6 : May 12, Orvieto - Fiuggi, 216 km

1 Francisco Jose Ventoso Alberdi (Spa) Movistar Team 5.15.39
2 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Lampre - ISD
3 Roberto Ferrari (Ita) Androni Giocattoli
4 Danilo Di Luca (Ita) Katusha Team
5 Davide Appollonio (Ita) Sky Procycling
6 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Lampre - ISD
7 Christophe Le Mevel (Fra) Team Garmin-Cervelo
8 Gerald Ciolek (Ger) Quickstep Cycling Team
9 Paolo Tiralongo (Ita) Pro Team Astana
10 Ruggero Marzoli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone


Changes in GC, stage 6 compared to stage 5 :

Biggest gainers by position :
+32 Frantisek Rabon
+31 Roberto Ferrari
+30 Bart De Clercq
+27 Ruggero Marzoli
+27 Borut Bozic
+26 Mathias Frank
+25 Jesus Hernandez Blazquez
+24 Richie Porte
+24 Jorge Azanza Soto
+24 Alberto Losada Alguacil

Biggest losers by position :
-71 Sacha Modolo
-59 Lars Ytting Bak
-40 Chad Beyer
-39 Addy Engels
-33 Murilo Antonio Fischer
-30 Gert Dockx
-27 Dennis van Winden
-23 Klaas Lodewyck
-22 Alessandro De Marchi
-21 Russell Downing
-19 Josep Jufre Pou

Biggest gainers by time :
+0:20 Francisco Jose Ventoso Alberdi
+0:12 Alessandro Petacchi
+0:08 Roberto Ferrari

Biggest losers by time :
-17:41 Sacha Modolo
-17:29 Adam Blyth
-17:29 Brett Lancaster
-17:29 Cameron Meyer
-17:29 Davide Ricci Bitti
-17:29 Elia Favilli
-17:29 Filippo Savini
-17:29 Francesco Chicchi
-17:29 Graeme Brown
-17:29 Jos van Emden
-17:29 Mark Renshaw

Favourites by position :
+32 Frantisek Rabon
+24 Richie Porte
+12 Daniel Moreno Fernandez
+8 Danilo Di Luca
+1 Stefano Garzelli
-59 Lars Ytting Bak

Favourites by time :
-0:34 Richie Porte
-13:39 Lars Ytting Bak

Top 10 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
1 Pieter Weening 20:15:12 (unchanged)
2 Kanstantsin Siutsou 0:02 (was 3rd at 0:02)
3 Marco Pinotti 0:02 (was 2nd at 0:02)
4 Christophe Le Mevel 0:05 (unchanged)
5 Pablo Lastras Garcia 0:22 (unchanged)
6 Vincenzo Nibali 0:24 (unchanged)
7 Michele Scarponi 0:26 (unchanged)
8 Steven Kruijswijk 0:28 (unchanged)
9 Alberto Contador Velasco 0:30 (unchanged)
10 Jose Rodolfo Serpa Perez 0:33 (unchanged)
11 Thomas Lovkvist 0:39 (unchanged)
12 David Arroyo Duran 0:40 (unchanged)
.....
18 Roman Kreuziger 0:52 (unchanged)
.....
20 Denis Menchov 0:55 (unchanged)
.....
27 Stefano Garzelli 1:09 (was 28th at 1:09)
.....
44 Carlos Sastre Candil 2:08 (unchanged)
.....
65 Danilo Di Luca 7:56 (was 73rd at 7:56)
.....
80 Daniel Moreno Fernandez 11:17 (was 92nd at 11:17)
.....
120 Richie Porte 19:47 (was 144th at 19:13)
.....
137 Lars Ytting Bak 23:16 (was 78th at 9:37)
.....
155 Frantisek Rabon 28:09 (was 187th at 28:09)

Top 10 on Points table with previous in parens:
1 Jan Bakelants 7 (unchanged)
2 Martin Kohler 5 (unchanged)
3 Kristof Vandewalle 5 (was 0 points)
4 Sebastian Lang 5 (was 3rd with 5 points)
5 Matteo Tosatto 5 (was 4th with 5 points)
6 Marco Marzano 4 (was 5th with 4 points)
7 Jussi Veikkanen 4 (was 0 points)
8 Alberto Contador Velasco 3 (was 6th with 3 points)
9 Sacha Modolo 3 (was 0 points)
10 Tiziano Dall'Antonia 3 (was 7th with 3 points)

Top 10 on Mountains table with previous in parens:
1 Martin Kohler 10 (unchanged)
2 Gianluca Brambilla 8 (unchanged)
3 Christophe Le Mevel 5 (unchanged)
4 Roman Kreuziger 3 (unchanged)
5 Sebastian Lang 3 (unchanged)
6 Pavel Brutt 3 (unchanged)
7 Sacha Modolo 3 (was 0 points)
8 Pablo Lastras Garcia 2 (was 7th with 2 points)
9 Michele Scarponi 2 (was 8th with 2 points)
10 Valerio Agnoli 2 (was 9th with 2 points)

Retirements to date : Stage
Brice Feillu (Fra) Leopard Trek 5
Bruno Pires (Por) Leopard Trek 5
Chris Barton (USA) BMC Racing Team 5
Davide ViganA² (Ita) Leopard Trek 5
Dominic Klemme (Ger) Leopard Trek 5
Fabian Wegmann (Ger) Leopard Trek 5
Francesco Failli (Ita) Farnese Vini - Neri Sottoli 5
Oliver Zaugg (Swi) Leopard Trek 5
Thomas Rohregger (Aut) Leopard Trek 5
Tom Slagter (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 5
Tom Stamsnijder (Ned) Leopard Trek 5
Tyler Farrar (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 5
Wouter Weylandt (Bel) Leopard Trek 3
Total retirements : 13

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TOPIC: Weisel
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/46cfbc4d175a4d4a?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 1:00 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 5/12/2011 2:14 PM, Phil H wrote:
> On May 12, 7:34 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> On 5/12/2011 8:55 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 12, 8:25 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:48 AM, Mike wrote:
>>
>>>>> Novitsky only has to prove that some money was exchanged between
>>>>> Weisel/Tailwind Sports - USPS/Armstrong/Bruyneel - Ferrari.
>>>>> Then it's easy pickings.
>>
>>>> I'm curious about something. Maybe someone could answer this.
>>
>>>> In the US, is paying someone for a doping program an illegal act?
>>>> Is it illegal to dope for a sporting event?
>>
>>>> Just as a hypothetical, let's say that someone from Brainerd that
>>>> scams his paycheck from the hard working US taxpayer... let's say
>>>> that guy takes that money and buys a doping program with it. Is
>>>> that illegal?
>>
>>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>>> For the most part anytime you lie and make financial gain you've
>>> committed fraud. When you use a phone or fax or internet to do it -
>>> it becomes wireline and typically interstate fraud. When you do it
>>> with others it becomes collusion and when you do it repeatedly it
>>> becomes racketeering. This is my non-legal understanding.
>>
>>> But as an example many EBAY auctions where someone asks some friends
>>> to shill bid up an item are committing most of these crimes.
>>
>>> In a way it's a wonder there aren't more people in prison - read this
>>> for a while and you'll see that a lot of 'everyday' activities are
>>> crimes.
>>
>>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sup_01_18_10_I.html
>>
>> What if the 'defrauded' party sees a huge gain from the 'fraud'? Is
>> it still 'fraud'?
>
> What if a victim wants to be killed, is it still murder?
> Phil H

Murder is defined to be an illegal act.

In the US, doping to win a bike race is not an illegal act.
So I don't think that's a valid analogy.

And I'm becoming a little disquieted by the numbers of people
that are confused about this.

Fred Flintstein


== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 1:30 pm
From: Phil H


On May 12, 1:00 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 5/12/2011 2:14 PM, Phil H wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 7:34 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >> On 5/12/2011 8:55 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> >>> On May 12, 8:25 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 5/12/2011 1:48 AM, Mike wrote:
>
> >>>>> Novitsky only has to prove that some money was exchanged between
> >>>>> Weisel/Tailwind Sports - USPS/Armstrong/Bruyneel  - Ferrari.
> >>>>> Then it's easy pickings.
>
> >>>> I'm curious about something. Maybe someone could answer this.
>
> >>>> In the US, is paying someone for a doping program an illegal act?
> >>>> Is it illegal to dope for a sporting event?
>
> >>>> Just as a hypothetical, let's say that someone from Brainerd that
> >>>> scams his paycheck from the hard working US taxpayer... let's say
> >>>> that guy takes that money and buys a doping program with it. Is
> >>>> that illegal?
>
> >>>> Fred Flintstein
>
> >>> For the most part anytime you lie and make financial gain you've
> >>> committed fraud.  When you use a phone or fax or internet to do it -
> >>> it becomes wireline and typically interstate fraud.  When you do it
> >>> with others it becomes collusion and when you do it repeatedly it
> >>> becomes racketeering.    This is my non-legal understanding.
>
> >>> But as an example many EBAY auctions where someone asks some friends
> >>> to shill bid up an item are committing most of these crimes.
>
> >>> In a way it's a wonder there aren't more people in prison  - read this
> >>> for a while  and you'll see that a lot of 'everyday' activities are
> >>> crimes.
>
> >>>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sup_01_18_10_I.html
>
> >> What if the 'defrauded' party sees a huge gain from the 'fraud'? Is
> >> it still 'fraud'?
>
> > What if a victim wants to be killed, is it still murder?
> > Phil H
>
> Murder is defined to be an illegal act.
>
> In the US, doping to win a bike race is not an illegal act.
> So I don't think that's a valid analogy.
>
> And I'm becoming a little disquieted by the numbers of people
> that are confused about this.
>
> Fred Flintstein- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You said fraud......are you as disquieted by your own confusion?
Phil H


== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 2:08 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 5/12/2011 3:30 PM, Phil H wrote:
> On May 12, 1:00 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> On 5/12/2011 2:14 PM, Phil H wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 12, 7:34 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2011 8:55 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>>
>>>>> On May 12, 8:25 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:48 AM, Mike wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Novitsky only has to prove that some money was exchanged between
>>>>>>> Weisel/Tailwind Sports - USPS/Armstrong/Bruyneel - Ferrari.
>>>>>>> Then it's easy pickings.
>>
>>>>>> I'm curious about something. Maybe someone could answer this.
>>
>>>>>> In the US, is paying someone for a doping program an illegal act?
>>>>>> Is it illegal to dope for a sporting event?
>>
>>>>>> Just as a hypothetical, let's say that someone from Brainerd that
>>>>>> scams his paycheck from the hard working US taxpayer... let's say
>>>>>> that guy takes that money and buys a doping program with it. Is
>>>>>> that illegal?
>>
>>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>>>>> For the most part anytime you lie and make financial gain you've
>>>>> committed fraud. When you use a phone or fax or internet to do it -
>>>>> it becomes wireline and typically interstate fraud. When you do it
>>>>> with others it becomes collusion and when you do it repeatedly it
>>>>> becomes racketeering. This is my non-legal understanding.
>>
>>>>> But as an example many EBAY auctions where someone asks some friends
>>>>> to shill bid up an item are committing most of these crimes.
>>
>>>>> In a way it's a wonder there aren't more people in prison - read this
>>>>> for a while and you'll see that a lot of 'everyday' activities are
>>>>> crimes.
>>
>>>>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sup_01_18_10_I.html
>>
>>>> What if the 'defrauded' party sees a huge gain from the 'fraud'? Is
>>>> it still 'fraud'?
>>
>>> What if a victim wants to be killed, is it still murder?
>>> Phil H
>>
>> Murder is defined to be an illegal act.
>>
>> In the US, doping to win a bike race is not an illegal act.
>> So I don't think that's a valid analogy.
>>
>> And I'm becoming a little disquieted by the numbers of people
>> that are confused about this.
>>
>> Fred Flintstein- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> You said fraud......are you as disquieted by your own confusion?
> Phil H

DDDDDDumbass,

First tell me who was defrauded. Who is the victim?

Fred Flintstein


== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 2:33 pm
From: Fred Bucephalus Birchmore


On May 12, 4:08 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 5/12/2011 3:30 PM, Phil H wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 1:00 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >> On 5/12/2011 2:14 PM, Phil H wrote:
>
> >>> On May 12, 7:34 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 5/12/2011 8:55 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> >>>>> On May 12, 8:25 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:48 AM, Mike wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Novitsky only has to prove that some money was exchanged between
> >>>>>>> Weisel/Tailwind Sports - USPS/Armstrong/Bruyneel  - Ferrari.
> >>>>>>> Then it's easy pickings.
>
> >>>>>> I'm curious about something. Maybe someone could answer this.
>
> >>>>>> In the US, is paying someone for a doping program an illegal act?
> >>>>>> Is it illegal to dope for a sporting event?
>
> >>>>>> Just as a hypothetical, let's say that someone from Brainerd that
> >>>>>> scams his paycheck from the hard working US taxpayer... let's say
> >>>>>> that guy takes that money and buys a doping program with it. Is
> >>>>>> that illegal?
>
> >>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>
> >>>>> For the most part anytime you lie and make financial gain you've
> >>>>> committed fraud.  When you use a phone or fax or internet to do it -
> >>>>> it becomes wireline and typically interstate fraud.  When you do it
> >>>>> with others it becomes collusion and when you do it repeatedly it
> >>>>> becomes racketeering.    This is my non-legal understanding.
>
> >>>>> But as an example many EBAY auctions where someone asks some friends
> >>>>> to shill bid up an item are committing most of these crimes.
>
> >>>>> In a way it's a wonder there aren't more people in prison  - read this
> >>>>> for a while  and you'll see that a lot of 'everyday' activities are
> >>>>> crimes.
>
> >>>>>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sup_01_18_10_I.html
>
> >>>> What if the 'defrauded' party sees a huge gain from the 'fraud'? Is
> >>>> it still 'fraud'?
>
> >>> What if a victim wants to be killed, is it still murder?
> >>> Phil H
>
> >> Murder is defined to be an illegal act.
>
> >> In the US, doping to win a bike race is not an illegal act.
> >> So I don't think that's a valid analogy.
>
> >> And I'm becoming a little disquieted by the numbers of people
> >> that are confused about this.
>
> >> Fred Flintstein- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > You said fraud......are you as disquieted by your own confusion?
> > Phil H
>
> DDDDDDumbass,
>
> First tell me who was defrauded. Who is the victim?
>
> Fred Flintstein

Loss (financial or other) isn't necessary for fraud.


== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 3:18 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 5/12/2011 4:33 PM, Fred Bucephalus Birchmore wrote:
> On May 12, 4:08 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> On 5/12/2011 3:30 PM, Phil H wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 12, 1:00 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2011 2:14 PM, Phil H wrote:
>>
>>>>> On May 12, 7:34 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 8:55 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On May 12, 8:25 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:48 AM, Mike wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Novitsky only has to prove that some money was exchanged between
>>>>>>>>> Weisel/Tailwind Sports - USPS/Armstrong/Bruyneel - Ferrari.
>>>>>>>>> Then it's easy pickings.
>>
>>>>>>>> I'm curious about something. Maybe someone could answer this.
>>
>>>>>>>> In the US, is paying someone for a doping program an illegal act?
>>>>>>>> Is it illegal to dope for a sporting event?
>>
>>>>>>>> Just as a hypothetical, let's say that someone from Brainerd that
>>>>>>>> scams his paycheck from the hard working US taxpayer... let's say
>>>>>>>> that guy takes that money and buys a doping program with it. Is
>>>>>>>> that illegal?
>>
>>>>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>>>>>>> For the most part anytime you lie and make financial gain you've
>>>>>>> committed fraud. When you use a phone or fax or internet to do it -
>>>>>>> it becomes wireline and typically interstate fraud. When you do it
>>>>>>> with others it becomes collusion and when you do it repeatedly it
>>>>>>> becomes racketeering. This is my non-legal understanding.
>>
>>>>>>> But as an example many EBAY auctions where someone asks some friends
>>>>>>> to shill bid up an item are committing most of these crimes.
>>
>>>>>>> In a way it's a wonder there aren't more people in prison - read this
>>>>>>> for a while and you'll see that a lot of 'everyday' activities are
>>>>>>> crimes.
>>
>>>>>>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sup_01_18_10_I.html
>>
>>>>>> What if the 'defrauded' party sees a huge gain from the 'fraud'? Is
>>>>>> it still 'fraud'?
>>
>>>>> What if a victim wants to be killed, is it still murder?
>>>>> Phil H
>>
>>>> Murder is defined to be an illegal act.
>>
>>>> In the US, doping to win a bike race is not an illegal act.
>>>> So I don't think that's a valid analogy.
>>
>>>> And I'm becoming a little disquieted by the numbers of people
>>>> that are confused about this.
>>
>>>> Fred Flintstein- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> You said fraud......are you as disquieted by your own confusion?
>>> Phil H
>>
>> DDDDDDumbass,
>>
>> First tell me who was defrauded. Who is the victim?
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> Loss (financial or other) isn't necessary for fraud.

Correct. But that wasn't the question I asked, was it?
Novitsky has the same problem, it's going to be a bitch
to determine a victim.

Fred Flintstein


== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 4:16 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 5/12/2011 5:18 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 5/12/2011 4:33 PM, Fred Bucephalus Birchmore wrote:
>> On May 12, 4:08 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2011 3:30 PM, Phil H wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 12, 1:00 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/12/2011 2:14 PM, Phil H wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> On May 12, 7:34 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 8:55 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 12, 8:25 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:48 AM, Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Novitsky only has to prove that some money was exchanged between
>>>>>>>>>> Weisel/Tailwind Sports - USPS/Armstrong/Bruyneel - Ferrari.
>>>>>>>>>> Then it's easy pickings.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm curious about something. Maybe someone could answer this.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the US, is paying someone for a doping program an illegal act?
>>>>>>>>> Is it illegal to dope for a sporting event?
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just as a hypothetical, let's say that someone from Brainerd that
>>>>>>>>> scams his paycheck from the hard working US taxpayer... let's say
>>>>>>>>> that guy takes that money and buys a doping program with it. Is
>>>>>>>>> that illegal?
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>>>
>>>>>>>> For the most part anytime you lie and make financial gain you've
>>>>>>>> committed fraud. When you use a phone or fax or internet to do it -
>>>>>>>> it becomes wireline and typically interstate fraud. When you do it
>>>>>>>> with others it becomes collusion and when you do it repeatedly it
>>>>>>>> becomes racketeering. This is my non-legal understanding.
>>>
>>>>>>>> But as an example many EBAY auctions where someone asks some friends
>>>>>>>> to shill bid up an item are committing most of these crimes.
>>>
>>>>>>>> In a way it's a wonder there aren't more people in prison - read this
>>>>>>>> for a while and you'll see that a lot of 'everyday' activities are
>>>>>>>> crimes.
>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sup_01_18_10_I.html
>>>
>>>>>>> What if the 'defrauded' party sees a huge gain from the 'fraud'? Is
>>>>>>> it still 'fraud'?
>>>
>>>>>> What if a victim wants to be killed, is it still murder?
>>>>>> Phil H
>>>
>>>>> Murder is defined to be an illegal act.
>>>
>>>>> In the US, doping to win a bike race is not an illegal act.
>>>>> So I don't think that's a valid analogy.
>>>
>>>>> And I'm becoming a little disquieted by the numbers of people
>>>>> that are confused about this.
>>>
>>>>> Fred Flintstein- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>> You said fraud......are you as disquieted by your own confusion?
>>>> Phil H
>>>
>>> DDDDDDumbass,
>>>
>>> First tell me who was defrauded. Who is the victim?
>>>
>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>> Loss (financial or other) isn't necessary for fraud.
>
> Correct. But that wasn't the question I asked, was it?
> Novitsky has the same problem, it's going to be a bitch
> to determine a victim.
>
> Fred Flintstein

Hey Focksticks,

Got yer victims right here. Dreams crushed. A hardened
dose of perspective.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/0a45843d2f0021fe

He deserves jail time for letting down all those cancer
patients. Throw that at him and see if he doesn't start
singing about the financial details of Wiesel's illicit
empire.

I can't wait until that special Tuesday in July.

Fred Flintstein


== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 5:35 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<9157b35a-6f6e-4fd8-88e7-9807ada95990@s16g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Phil H <pholman50@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 12, 7:34 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > On 5/12/2011 8:55 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 12, 8:25 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >> On 5/12/2011 1:48 AM, Mike wrote:
> >
> > >>> Novitsky only has to prove that some money was exchanged between
> > >>> Weisel/Tailwind Sports - USPS/Armstrong/Bruyneel  - Ferrari.
> > >>> Then it's easy pickings.
> >
> > >> I'm curious about something. Maybe someone could answer this.
> >
> > >> In the US, is paying someone for a doping program an illegal act?
> > >> Is it illegal to dope for a sporting event?
> >
> > >> Just as a hypothetical, let's say that someone from Brainerd that
> > >> scams his paycheck from the hard working US taxpayer... let's say
> > >> that guy takes that money and buys a doping program with it. Is
> > >> that illegal?
> >
> > >> Fred Flintstein
> >
> > > For the most part anytime you lie and make financial gain you've
> > > committed fraud.  When you use a phone or fax or internet to do it -
> > > it becomes wireline and typically interstate fraud.  When you do it
> > > with others it becomes collusion and when you do it repeatedly it
> > > becomes racketeering.    This is my non-legal understanding.
> >
> > > But as an example many EBAY auctions where someone asks some friends
> > > to shill bid up an item are committing most of these crimes.
> >
> > > In a way it's a wonder there aren't more people in prison  - read this
> > > for a while  and you'll see that a lot of 'everyday' activities are
> > > crimes.
> >
> > >http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sup_01_18_10_I.html
> >
> > What if the 'defrauded' party sees a huge gain from the 'fraud'? Is
> > it still 'fraud'?
>
> What if a victim wants to be killed, is it still murder?

What do you think?

--
Old Fritz


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 6:17 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On May 12, 5:18 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 5/12/2011 4:33 PM, Fred Bucephalus Birchmore wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 4:08 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >> On 5/12/2011 3:30 PM, Phil H wrote:
>
> >>> On May 12, 1:00 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 5/12/2011 2:14 PM, Phil H wrote:
>
> >>>>> On May 12, 7:34 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 5/12/2011 8:55 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On May 12, 8:25 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:48 AM, Mike wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Novitsky only has to prove that some money was exchanged between
> >>>>>>>>> Weisel/Tailwind Sports - USPS/Armstrong/Bruyneel  - Ferrari.
> >>>>>>>>> Then it's easy pickings.
>
> >>>>>>>> I'm curious about something. Maybe someone could answer this.
>
> >>>>>>>> In the US, is paying someone for a doping program an illegal act?
> >>>>>>>> Is it illegal to dope for a sporting event?
>
> >>>>>>>> Just as a hypothetical, let's say that someone from Brainerd that
> >>>>>>>> scams his paycheck from the hard working US taxpayer... let's say
> >>>>>>>> that guy takes that money and buys a doping program with it. Is
> >>>>>>>> that illegal?
>
> >>>>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>
> >>>>>>> For the most part anytime you lie and make financial gain you've
> >>>>>>> committed fraud.  When you use a phone or fax or internet to do it -
> >>>>>>> it becomes wireline and typically interstate fraud.  When you do it
> >>>>>>> with others it becomes collusion and when you do it repeatedly it
> >>>>>>> becomes racketeering.    This is my non-legal understanding.
>
> >>>>>>> But as an example many EBAY auctions where someone asks some friends
> >>>>>>> to shill bid up an item are committing most of these crimes.
>
> >>>>>>> In a way it's a wonder there aren't more people in prison  - read this
> >>>>>>> for a while  and you'll see that a lot of 'everyday' activities are
> >>>>>>> crimes.
>
> >>>>>>>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sup_01_18_10_I.html
>
> >>>>>> What if the 'defrauded' party sees a huge gain from the 'fraud'? Is
> >>>>>> it still 'fraud'?
>
> >>>>> What if a victim wants to be killed, is it still murder?
> >>>>> Phil H
>
> >>>> Murder is defined to be an illegal act.
>
> >>>> In the US, doping to win a bike race is not an illegal act.
> >>>> So I don't think that's a valid analogy.
>
> >>>> And I'm becoming a little disquieted by the numbers of people
> >>>> that are confused about this.
>
> >>>> Fred Flintstein- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>> You said fraud......are you as disquieted by your own confusion?
> >>> Phil H
>
> >> DDDDDDumbass,
>
> >> First tell me who was defrauded. Who is the victim?
>
> >> Fred Flintstein
>
> > Loss (financial or other)  isn't necessary for fraud.
>
> Correct. But that wasn't the question I asked, was it?
> Novitsky has the same problem, it's going to be a bitch
> to determine a victim.
>
> Fred Flintstein

Why do you think there needs to be a victim for there to the
prosecution of a crime?

No one is 'victimized' when someone smokes pot but the govt has no
problem pursuing those 'criminals' and ironically turning them into
victims via the process.


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 7:36 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 5/12/2011 8:17 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On May 12, 5:18 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> On 5/12/2011 4:33 PM, Fred Bucephalus Birchmore wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 12, 4:08 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2011 3:30 PM, Phil H wrote:
>>
>>>>> On May 12, 1:00 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 2:14 PM, Phil H wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On May 12, 7:34 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 8:55 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 12, 8:25 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:48 AM, Mike wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Novitsky only has to prove that some money was exchanged between
>>>>>>>>>>> Weisel/Tailwind Sports - USPS/Armstrong/Bruyneel - Ferrari.
>>>>>>>>>>> Then it's easy pickings.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm curious about something. Maybe someone could answer this.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the US, is paying someone for a doping program an illegal act?
>>>>>>>>>> Is it illegal to dope for a sporting event?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just as a hypothetical, let's say that someone from Brainerd that
>>>>>>>>>> scams his paycheck from the hard working US taxpayer... let's say
>>>>>>>>>> that guy takes that money and buys a doping program with it. Is
>>>>>>>>>> that illegal?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>>>>>>>>> For the most part anytime you lie and make financial gain you've
>>>>>>>>> committed fraud. When you use a phone or fax or internet to do it -
>>>>>>>>> it becomes wireline and typically interstate fraud. When you do it
>>>>>>>>> with others it becomes collusion and when you do it repeatedly it
>>>>>>>>> becomes racketeering. This is my non-legal understanding.
>>
>>>>>>>>> But as an example many EBAY auctions where someone asks some friends
>>>>>>>>> to shill bid up an item are committing most of these crimes.
>>
>>>>>>>>> In a way it's a wonder there aren't more people in prison - read this
>>>>>>>>> for a while and you'll see that a lot of 'everyday' activities are
>>>>>>>>> crimes.
>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sup_01_18_10_I.html
>>
>>>>>>>> What if the 'defrauded' party sees a huge gain from the 'fraud'? Is
>>>>>>>> it still 'fraud'?
>>
>>>>>>> What if a victim wants to be killed, is it still murder?
>>>>>>> Phil H
>>
>>>>>> Murder is defined to be an illegal act.
>>
>>>>>> In the US, doping to win a bike race is not an illegal act.
>>>>>> So I don't think that's a valid analogy.
>>
>>>>>> And I'm becoming a little disquieted by the numbers of people
>>>>>> that are confused about this.
>>
>>>>>> Fred Flintstein- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>> You said fraud......are you as disquieted by your own confusion?
>>>>> Phil H
>>
>>>> DDDDDDumbass,
>>
>>>> First tell me who was defrauded. Who is the victim?
>>
>>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>>> Loss (financial or other) isn't necessary for fraud.
>>
>> Correct. But that wasn't the question I asked, was it?
>> Novitsky has the same problem, it's going to be a bitch
>> to determine a victim.
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> Why do you think there needs to be a victim for there to the
> prosecution of a crime?
>
> No one is 'victimized' when someone smokes pot but the govt has no
> problem pursuing those 'criminals' and ironically turning them into
> victims via the process.

Dumbass,

If there isn't injury or damage, it isn't fraud. In
a legal sense.

Fred Flintstein


== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 9:04 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On May 12, 3:18 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 5/12/2011 4:33 PM, Fred Bucephalus Birchmore wrote:
> > On May 12, 4:08 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >> On 5/12/2011 3:30 PM, Phil H wrote:
>
> >>> On May 12, 1:00 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 5/12/2011 2:14 PM, Phil H wrote:
>
> >>>>> On May 12, 7:34 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 5/12/2011 8:55 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On May 12, 8:25 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:48 AM, Mike wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Novitsky only has to prove that some money was exchanged between
> >>>>>>>>> Weisel/Tailwind Sports - USPS/Armstrong/Bruyneel  - Ferrari.
> >>>>>>>>> Then it's easy pickings.
>
> >>>>>>>> I'm curious about something. Maybe someone could answer this.
>
> >>>>>>>> In the US, is paying someone for a doping program an illegal act?
> >>>>>>>> Is it illegal to dope for a sporting event?
>
> >>>>>>>> Just as a hypothetical, let's say that someone from Brainerd that
> >>>>>>>> scams his paycheck from the hard working US taxpayer... let's say
> >>>>>>>> that guy takes that money and buys a doping program with it. Is
> >>>>>>>> that illegal?
>
> >>>>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>
> >>>>>>> For the most part anytime you lie and make financial gain you've
> >>>>>>> committed fraud.  When you use a phone or fax or internet to do it -
> >>>>>>> it becomes wireline and typically interstate fraud.  When you do it
> >>>>>>> with others it becomes collusion and when you do it repeatedly it
> >>>>>>> becomes racketeering.    This is my non-legal understanding.
>
> >>>>>>> But as an example many EBAY auctions where someone asks some friends
> >>>>>>> to shill bid up an item are committing most of these crimes.
>
> >>>>>>> In a way it's a wonder there aren't more people in prison  - read this
> >>>>>>> for a while  and you'll see that a lot of 'everyday' activities are
> >>>>>>> crimes.
>
> >>>>>>>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sup_01_18_10_I.html
>
> >>>>>> What if the 'defrauded' party sees a huge gain from the 'fraud'? Is
> >>>>>> it still 'fraud'?
>
> >>>>> What if a victim wants to be killed, is it still murder?
> >>>>> Phil H
>
> >>>> Murder is defined to be an illegal act.
>
> >>>> In the US, doping to win a bike race is not an illegal act.
> >>>> So I don't think that's a valid analogy.
>
> >>>> And I'm becoming a little disquieted by the numbers of people
> >>>> that are confused about this.
>
> >>>> Fred Flintstein- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>> You said fraud......are you as disquieted by your own confusion?
> >>> Phil H
>
> >> DDDDDDumbass,
>
> >> First tell me who was defrauded. Who is the victim?
>
> >> Fred Flintstein
>
> > Loss (financial or other)  isn't necessary for fraud.
>
> Correct. But that wasn't the question I asked, was it?
> Novitsky has the same problem, it's going to be a bitch
> to determine a victim.
>
> Fred Flintstein

Dumbasses,

Novitsky doesn't have a problem. He will present the
prosecutors with a problem, as they have to decide whether
to bring an indictment or not.

Neither you nor I are lawyers and Lafferty has a conflict of
interest, so we can speak in a blissful state of ignorance. My
guess is that they will have a legal theory that the team
obtained the contract from USPS under false pretenses.
That they assured the USPS (or its negotiators) that there was
absolutely no gambling going on there, conspiring to disguise
the evidence. The "victim" is the USPS being hoodwinked
into a contract. Whether this legal theory will fly with a jury
with a somewhat popular defendant and completely unknown
details of the negotiations is another question (that is, we have
no idea to what extent the USPS side of the business insisted
on the cleanliness of the team or winked at it, and we may never
know) . How compelling it is to a judge and jury will worry the
prosecutors more than it does Novitsky.

It is likely that a trial would embarrass LANCE, but it is
less likely that it would convict him (and even less likely
that it would send him to jail and/or clean up cycling).
I think publicly shaming LANCE would gratify Lafferty
and the fraudbytes guy and to some extent Novitsky, as
it would sort of count as bringing down the target. But
it would not satisfy a prosecutor. Prosecutors are judged
by who they convict, not who they embarrass.

A direct conduit between Weisel, Armstrong, and Ferrari
doesn't prove jack shit. Ironically, if Armstrong paid Ferrari
out of Weisel's bank account rather than the teams it could
help him more than it hurt. I still think the most likely person
to get nailed is some poor schmuck of a bookkeeper or
go-between.

Weisel didn't even go to jail for his own company's
securities crimes, he isn't going to jail for this one.

Fredmaster Ben

p.s. Since Brainerd was mentioned, an explanation of
the reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYmVT_EonN4
The original version has a full band but doesn't seem to be
on the web.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 2:33 pm
From: Fred Bucephalus Birchmore


On May 12, 1:59 pm, Vagina Gorilla <vaginagori...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.yourwestvalley.com/topstory/article_211ff7ea-6adb-11e0-865...
>
> http://www.clickorlando.com/news/25916005/detail.html
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218926/Grandmother-killed-st...

Fuck it then, I am going on a bike ride.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 2:43 pm
From: Davey Crockett


Fred Bucephalus Birchmore a écrit profondement:


| Fuck it then, I am going on a bike ride.

Right on mate.

The risk of Losing Your Balls is too high on the golf course

--
Davey Crockett
Flying the Flag of the English
The Flag of Hengest and Horsa
http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 4:41 pm
From: Brad Anders


IMO, US Postal got exactly what they paid for, 7 TdF titles against a
peloton of dopers. The fact that they, too, had to dope to do it isn't
surprising, and anyone who would have vetted the sponsorship of a pro
cycling team for a multi-billion dollar corporation like the USPS
(e.g. a whole room full of lawyers a lot smarter than most who creep
around here) knew damn well what kind of sport they were buying into.
To claim a decade later that this somehow constituted "fraud" against
the US taxpayer is ridiculous and disingenuous. The conviction of LA/
Weisel/Bruyneel today in the US will have virtually no impact on the
doping practices of a sport that largely contested at a pro level in
Europe. I'd rather see the FDA using their investigative wing working
on issues that are far more important to the US consumer, such as food
safety.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 5:09 pm
From: RicodJour


On May 12, 2:01 am, Mike <mtschatz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> WWW.VELOPORK.COM

I guess all other URL names have been taken. We're down to the dregs.

How's the reformed prostitute business going?

R


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 7:52 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 5/12/2011 6:41 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> IMO, US Postal got exactly what they paid for, 7 TdF titles against a
> peloton of dopers. The fact that they, too, had to dope to do it isn't
> surprising, and anyone who would have vetted the sponsorship of a pro
> cycling team for a multi-billion dollar corporation like the USPS
> (e.g. a whole room full of lawyers a lot smarter than most who creep
> around here) knew damn well what kind of sport they were buying into.
> To claim a decade later that this somehow constituted "fraud" against
> the US taxpayer is ridiculous and disingenuous. The conviction of LA/
> Weisel/Bruyneel today in the US will have virtually no impact on the
> doping practices of a sport that largely contested at a pro level in
> Europe. I'd rather see the FDA using their investigative wing working
> on issues that are far more important to the US consumer, such as food
> safety.

You'd be surprised how many people think this is a doping
case. And that doping to win a bike race is illegal.

I'm guessing I'm the only one here with a medal from elite
nationals in a team event with a teammate that makes his
living selling dope (very openly) over the internet. He
doesn't sell the finished product of course. He sells raw
materials (also used in cleaning products) and information.

The Feds that some are convinced will turn LANCE inside out
busted this guy not once but twice. After twice failing to
get a conviction, now they just leave him the hell alone.

And so it will be for LANCE. Eventually.

Fred Flintstein


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 10:00 pm
From: Substance McGravitas


On 5/12/2011 7:52 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:

> You'd be surprised how many people think this is a doping
> case. And that doping to win a bike race is illegal.

It's bigger than that. Stuff I like is both moral and legal. Stuff I
don't like is neither. That's the way many people view these things.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 10:12 pm
From: RicodJour


On May 13, 1:00 am, Substance McGravitas <F...@Burger.com> wrote:
> On 5/12/2011 7:52 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>
> > You'd be surprised how many people think this is a doping
> > case. And that doping to win a bike race is illegal.
>
> It's bigger than that. Stuff I like is both moral and legal. Stuff I
> don't like is neither. That's the way many people view these things.

How do you feel about stuff that is moral but not legal, or legal but
not moral? Like a legal eagle omelet with morel mushrooms - sounds
tasty, but would you eat it?

R

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 7:03 pm
From: --D-y


<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110512/ap_on_sp_go_ne/
glf_players_championship_woods_withdraws>

A cheap shot., huh?
--D-y

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 9:02 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


http://chainreactionblogs.com/diary/

Check out the video for today's entry. A very interesting morning.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 9:25 pm
From: RicodJour


On May 13, 12:02 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
>
> http://chainreactionblogs.com/diary/
>
> Check out the video for today's entry. A very interesting morning.

Yowza. Not quite what I was expecting. Did you find out later what
happened to the guy?

R


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 12 2011 10:58 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:eda22305-62a3-4ea8-9896-6f01cf4950ca@c26g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
On May 13, 12:02 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
>
> http://chainreactionblogs.com/diary/
>
> Check out the video for today's entry. A very interesting morning.
=========
Yowza. Not quite what I was expecting. Did you find out later what
happened to the guy?

R
=========

A CHP log says he was cited and released to Stanford Hospital, so I
assume he's still with us. The CHP details may be found here-
http://cad.chp.ca.gov/iiqr.asp?Center=GGCC&LogNumber=0492D0512. It
appears, from the 1:06pm note, that he is a minor. A bit surprising; he
appeared older than that, but conditions were less than optimal. A ton
of prescription drugs in the car; no, I didn't read the labels. That
could mean anything; my son is on 4 different meds for his epilepsy
(don't worry, he doesn't drive).

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


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Mastering the Strategy Management System with Dr.David Norton

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Palladium Strategy Execution Forum 2011 with Dr David Norton

Mastering the Strategy Management System
 Time and Date: 8.30am - 5.00pm, Tuesday 21 June 2011

Location: The Leela Kempinski Hotel, Mumbai, India

 

  Places are strictly limited! 

 

Dear Colleague,

Executives all over the world agree and research shows, that almost ninety percent of organisations are in fact unable to execute the strategies they put in place. Research also shows that organisations with formal strategy execution management system have a seventy percent chance of outperforming their peer groups and drastically increase shareholder value.

 

In this one day Forum, Dr. David Norton, Founder and Director of Palladium Group, describes how organisations have used the Balanced Scorecard Strategy Management System to achieve outstanding results. 

 

Agenda Overview:

Module #1: Overview: Managing Strategy is Managing Change, Dr. David Norton, Founder, Palladium Group

 

Module #2: Managing the Benefits through Cause, Dr. David Norton, Founder, Palladium Group

 

Case Study: Infosys Technologies Limited, Mr. Sanjay Purohit, Vice President and Group Head, Planning and Assurance, Infosys Technologies Limited

 

Palladium Strategy Execution Hall of Fame Awards:

Dr David Norton, Founder, Palladium Group

Mr Matthew Tice, Managing Director, Palladium Group Asia Pacific

 

Module #3: Aligning the Organisation to The Strategy, Dr. David Norton, Founder, Palladium Group

 

Case Study: Hindustan Petroleum Corporation Limited, Mr. Ashis Sen, Deputy General Manager, Hindustan Petroleum Corporation Limited

 

Module #4: Creating Cross-Functional Governance, Dr. David Norton, Founder, Palladium Group

 

Question and Answer Panel:

Dr. David Norton, Founder, Palladium Group

Mr. Matthew Tice, Managing Director, Palladium Group Asia Pacific

Mr. T M Nagarajan, South Asia East Director, Palladium Group Asia Pacific

Mr. Sanjay Purohit, Infosys Technologies Limited

Mr. Ashis Sen, Hindustan Petroleum Corporation Limited        

                            

Summary and Close:

Mr. T M Nagarajan, South East Asia Director, Palladium Group Asia Pacific

 

Who should attend?

Palladium events attract the largest, most prestigious gatherings of executives committed to executing strategy and staying competitive by embracing a culture of innovation management techniques.

 

This is a not-to-be-missed experience for Directors of Innovation, Strategy, Marketing/Sales, Customer Service, Business Development, Human Resources, General Managers, CEO's, COO's,  and Board members from large to mid-size organisations in private, public, or government sectors.

 

Register today for this unique opportunity to hear one of the world's top management thought leaders!


Registration Fees:
Early Bird (before 23 May, 2011): INR 27,000*
Full Fee (after 23 May, 2011): INR 30,000*
Group Fee (4 people): INR 90,000*

 

* Service Tax applicable @ 10.3%

 

How to register:

  • Download the brochure here and fill in the registration form and fax this to 022 - 28845612. Once submitted, Executive will contact you to arrange payment.
  • Call Rupali Foka on Mobile: 09920822866 or Email: rupalif@kcapital-us.com where registration and payment can be arranged.

For sponsorship or corporate engagement opportunities, please contact Kavita Mistry on 09320048060 or Email: kavitam@kcapital-us.com

 

Registrations close 16 June, 2011.  As places are limited, reservations will be taken on a first-come, first-serve basis.

 

Looking forward to seeing you at the event.

 

Best Regards,

 

Rupali Foka

+919920822866

rupalif@kcapital-us.com

 

 

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