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Today's topics:
* Giro d'Italia, stage 19 summary - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9299488aaba26377?hl=en
* Context for TdS debacle - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9ed72fd9cc6036a9?hl=en
* My conclusion - hire Sherpas to do all of the pedaling - 4 messages, 4
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/64f55454bdef3e63?hl=en
* "The Onion" nails it, again. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9a42609e948d70ae?hl=en
* First of a VeloNews Series - 11 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a40bbb5fcd4c5cca?hl=en
* Belgian Railways launches bike hire scheme - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c35f256ee9b15220?hl=en
* us pro champs - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/03f62276312bc231?hl=en
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TOPIC: Giro d'Italia, stage 19 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9299488aaba26377?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 29 2011 11:56 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Sunday, 29 May 2011 16:58:50 UTC-7, RicodJour wrote:
> On May 29, 5:13 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I remember having this discussion before, but should a race leader's "time" be the gap to 2nd? Otherwise, it looks like a > race leader is making no race progress between the time they take the lead and the time they lose it (or win).
>
> How much 'progress' is possible from first place? 1st +....?
I wasn't very clear on this, but I meant the "gainers/losers on time" stat Bob keeps. So the thing that matters is the time gap between first and second, and whether or not it is growing, shrinking, or static.
> > For all other racers, leave the benchmark (relative to leader) as is, but for a current race leader, gain loss should be
> > relative to their previous lead over 2nd, even if the second place rider changes. Similarly, a rider who newly attains
> > 1st can be credited with their old time gap PLUS their new time gap to 2nd.
>
> But the podium places are only concerned with the relative times
> between the first three places. If the people change, so what? I'm
> not sure I understand your thoughts on this one, but it almost sounds
> like you want to create a new category akin to a King of The Mountains
> or Points. But I'm not sure if what you're suggesting would turn into
> a Consistency or Combativeness or Win Some Lose Some But I Sure Do
> Take Chances category.
The point is that for all riders except 1st, the time gap to first represents their target. For a rider who is in first, the time gap to the field (2nd, really) is what matters, without regard to who is in 2nd (just as the gap to first doesn't care if the race leader changes).
> > This reflects the idea that all riders chase the leader, but the leader tries to escape the runer-up.
>
> I'm pretty sure that's already the idea.
>
> R
What I'm getting at is that when Contador was picking up time in the mountains, he wasn't getting credit for that time gain in Bob's stats. No matter what, the leader neither gains nor loses any time each day (unless he gains or loses the lead).
This doesn't reflect what's really happening, IMHO.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 4:33 am
From: "A. Dumas"
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> [...]
Why is your References header missing?
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 12:57 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article <4de3808d$0$49047$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
"A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > [...]
>
> Why is your References header missing?
"Basically, I do it to piss off old farts.
Same reason I'm posting this TOFU-style
(Text Over, Fullquote-Under)."
<543a2550-b587-49ac-9ce3-9a5ad50db7b7@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com>
--
Old Fritz
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 4:25 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Monday, 30 May 2011 12:57:31 UTC-7, Frederick the Great wrote:
> In article <4de3808d$0$49047$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl>,
> "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > > [...]
> >
> > Why is your References header missing?
>
> "Basically, I do it to piss off old farts.
> Same reason I'm posting this TOFU-style
> (Text Over, Fullquote-Under)."
>
> <543a2550-b587-49ac...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com>
>
> --
> Old Fritz
I'll have to poke around, but I'm using Google Groups as my posting/reading interface. I assume that for some damned-ass reason GG is very casual about references headers, which probably goes nicely with it's default no-quoted-text-in-replies setting.
The worst of it is I don't see any of these problems: everything just works inside of GG, so you just come off as a bunch of curmudgeons who won't get with the program and read Usenet through a bizarre non-standard web interface that conflates Usenet and mailing lists, and perverts postings for its own reasons.
I'll look into it further,
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TOPIC: Context for TdS debacle
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9ed72fd9cc6036a9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 2:19 am
From: Simply Fred
A. Dumas wrote:
>> Please, for all our sanity, will you finally get fucking OEQuoteFix
>> plugin installed?
Fred Flintstein wrote:
> Mike, Lafferty is your fault!
Dumbass,
As the author you should know its a feature not a fault.
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TOPIC: My conclusion - hire Sherpas to do all of the pedaling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/64f55454bdef3e63?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 2:30 am
From: ilan
On May 30, 3:18 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2011/05/pedal-powered-farms-and-factor...
http://www.yuvutu.com/modules.php?name=Video&op=view&video_id=409982
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 12:39 pm
From: RicodJour
On May 29, 9:18 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2011/05/pedal-powered-farms-and-factor...
Good site. Thanks for posting the link.
R
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 12:48 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<15b77519-da26-4ca6-ac56-6d953926ac7a@c1g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2011/05/pedal-powered-farms-and-factories.html
"The human powered flywheel motor can deliver much more power
than the person who operates it."
Thunk! Another site into the bit bucket.
--
Old Fritz
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 12:53 pm
From: Simply Fred
Anton Berlin wrote:
>> http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2011/05/pedal-powered-farms-and-factories.html
Frederick the Great wrote:
> "The human powered flywheel motor can deliver much more power
> than the person who operates it."
>
> Thunk! Another site into the bit bucket.
I need a perpetual motion Gruber.
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TOPIC: "The Onion" nails it, again.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9a42609e948d70ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 9:03 am
From: Jimmy July
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/lance-armstrong-i-never-failed-one-of-those-shitty,20612/
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 11:01 am
From: --D-y
On May 30, 11:03 am, Jimmy July <F...@Burger.com> wrote:
> http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/lance-armstrong-i-never-fa...
They sure did.
"Never (well, almost never!) failed a test" is a truly damning
indictment of the "system", and the anti-doping zealots.
Don't make rules you can't enforce.
--D-y
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TOPIC: First of a VeloNews Series
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a40bbb5fcd4c5cca?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 11:38 am
From: BL
http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/05/news/op-ed-series-1-on-heroes-by-lemond-fitness-ceo-mark-handfelt_175962
== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 12:09 pm
From: Fred Flintstein
On 5/30/2011 1:38 PM, BL wrote:
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/05/news/op-ed-series-1-on-heroes-by-lemond-fitness-ceo-mark-handfelt_175962
When he gets a chance, tha author should ask Lemond about
that one stage of the 1985 Tour. Lemond has a record of
not being 100% truthful about that stage, and much of
what he writes about Armstrong would apply there.
F
== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 12:25 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
Brian: I didn't appreciate your talents as a ghost-writer! Very well
done!
It's not a bad piece, but it falls into the same trap. Why must people
continue to seize upon any and all information supporting
Lance-is-a-doping-fraud as being truthful? Why does this author
essentially discredit Greg LeMond by lumping him in with Floyd and
Tyler, both of whom have provided information that has proven to be
either an outright lie (Floyd) or misleading (the TdS story)? Why not
expose the weaknesses in some of the players and ask for, no, DEMAND the
unvarnished truth from the supposedly-repentent? Why do we hold people
to such low standard, on both sides?
If the goal is to convince me that people on both sides of the argument
have far more emotion than intelligence, OK, I'm convinced.
I don't care if your hero is Greg LeMond or Lance Armstrong or David
Walsh or Frankie. Ask the tough questions of them. Look at what they're
saying and scrutinize it. Don't just believe it's true because it's an
argument in your hero's favor. Force people to a higher standard. If
you're looking for a credible case to discredit Lance, don't get
distracted by that which can be easily shown to be a misunderstanding,
because of interpretation based upon someone's assumptions. Go to the
root. Otherwise you're just perpetuating a PR war, prolonging the
ordeal.
At this point, I think we're beyond the whole "fear of Lance
retribution" thing. There is no longer any good reason to fear that
telling the truth, at this point, is going to destroy anybody's future
but Lance's. The only reason to embellish the facts is to get more media
coverage, and that's the real problem with these "heroes" that the
author refers to. They are used to being the center of attention. That
fuels them. I'm really looking for someone who is fueled by something
else, fueled by a desire to truly cleanse their conscience, fueled by a
desire to tell the truth and not be the center of attention or get rich
from doing so. I will accept the truth from others, but only with the
most-severe scrutiny, and so far, that scrutiny has turned up some real
flaws in their stories.
Waiting on George! Please, George, help put this thing to rest. Once and
for all. I believe you are the guy who can do this. It's not going to
come from anybody who places Greg LeMond in the same camp with Tyler and
Floyd without pointing out their continuing problems as story tellers.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"BL" <bl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:xsGdnTBYZYOMeX7QnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/05/news/op-ed-series-1-on-heroes-by-lemond-fitness-ceo-mark-handfelt_175962
== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 12:37 pm
From: --D-y
On May 30, 1:38 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/05/news/op-ed-series-1-on-heroes-...
Boy, what a bunch of hogwash.
But you can help him, BL. With the same vigor you've shown when
speaking out against "the juggernaut", show this poor deluded,
fantasizing soul the liklihood that Greg Lemond doped, too.
Get the father in law in front of a grand jury, get the medical
records, explain the linkage between steroid use and the onset of
mitochondrial myopathy, the implausibility of the miraculous return to
form via "iron shots", and otherwise show the apparent lies behind
Lemond's incredible recovery. Indeed, the true story lies with the
handlers and hangers-on, and the willing helpers-- which is a nod to
the concept that Lemond might not have even known what he was being
doped to the gills with. And, sadly, he may not know, to this day, how
people who doubt his probity IRT doping may be only employing him as a
tool in service of taking down Lance Armstrong, a man many have long
hated, going back to an era that existed well before LA turned in any
good rides in the Tour de France.
Too many fist pumps at the '93 Worlds RR? Whatever...
BTW, I hate to nitpick, but "continence" means not having to wear a
diaper-- or a plurality of differentiated global land mass areas.
"Countenance" means, among other, to admit as acceptable or possible,
or more specifically in this attempted usage, to tolerate (best IMHO)
support, sanction, approve, patronize.
--D-y
== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 1:04 pm
From: RicodJour
On May 30, 3:25 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
>
> I don't care if your hero is Greg LeMond or Lance Armstrong or David
> Walsh or Frankie. Ask the tough questions of them. Look at what they're
> saying and scrutinize it. Don't just believe it's true because it's an
> argument in your hero's favor.
Are you going on record as being one of those anti-confirmation bias
nutcases? If so, please reconsider. Think of the state of political
and interpersonal affairs if people had to actually think before
acting. The repercussions would be devastating to the media and the
clothing industry, not to mention our next president would most likely
be ugly. Don't do it.
R
== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 1:14 pm
From: ilan
On May 30, 8:38 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/05/news/op-ed-series-1-on-heroes-...
I prefer this fitness to Lemond Fitness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK5shRZOCBg
-ilan
== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 2:35 pm
From: Jimmy July
On 5/30/2011 12:25 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Brian: I didn't appreciate your talents as a ghost-writer! Very well
> done!
>
> Why does this author
> essentially discredit Greg LeMond by lumping him in with Floyd and
> Tyler,
He keeps lumping Floyd and Greg together because he's worked for them
both. Hell, he works for "LeMond Fitness" now.
It's not the greatest article, but it'd make an above average RBR posting.
== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 3:54 pm
From: ilan
On May 30, 9:37 pm, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:.
>
> BTW, I hate to nitpick, but "continence" means not having to wear a
> diaper-- or a plurality of differentiated global land mass areas.
> "Countenance" means, among other, to admit as acceptable or possible,
> or more specifically in this attempted usage, to tolerate (best IMHO)
> support, sanction, approve, patronize.
> --D-y
"Continence" more generally means self-restraint or reserve.
-ilan
== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 5:33 pm
From: --D-y
On May 30, 5:54 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 30, 9:37 pm, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:.
>
>
>
> > BTW, I hate to nitpick, but "continence" means not having to wear a
> > diaper-- or a plurality of differentiated global land mass areas.
> > "Countenance" means, among other, to admit as acceptable or possible,
> > or more specifically in this attempted usage, to tolerate (best IMHO)
> > support, sanction, approve, patronize.
> > --D-y
>
> "Continence" more generally means self-restraint or reserve.
>
> -ilan
Well, in the first place, what fun is that? Geeze...
I found it interesting that a few "name" online dictionaries give self-
restraint (etc.) as a first meaning, with control over excretion as a
second allowable usage, while some online sources, including notably
Wiki, give involuntary-- and perhaps voluntary!-- control of those
usually less-entertaining bodily functions as a first meaning for
"continence". Which, since Wiki is written by contemporary, voluntary
contribution, corresponds to my sense (as a retired plumber) that
"continence" is a word whose usage, and therefore meaning, is changing
from the old "restraint" to a somewhat different, but still
significant form of control, if you will.
But then, my bias is toward descriptive function over the
prescriptive; you may have a different opinion on the weighting of the
matter, but I hear "diaper" in relation to "continence". Especially
when the old-line established dictionary quotes some old dead Greek
guy to put "continence" in sentence context to show a primary usage/
meaning of "self-restraint", while "continence", as in relation to
diapers, etc., has become a usefully polite popular expression in
these times of great masses of aging Baby Boomers, when anything and
everything is advertised on TV. For instance, assuming you spend part
of your time in the USA and watch, say, no more than an average of 15
minutes a day watching TV, what do you think of (honest, now!) when
you hear the word "erection"?
Speaking of old dead Greek guys, and for that matter, ancient learned
Romans long departed, since when lawyers not know their Greek/Latin
word roots?
I mean, even though it's not in the code book, I know where "plumber"
came from... and I usually look stuff up before I publish, too., use
the spell checker, etc. etc.. since my own knowledge is quite limited
and if I'm speaking seriously I hate to put my foot in my mouth with
an ignorant mistake, as that just blows any credibility I might have
all to hell, fair or not!
Speaking of Hell, I used to occasionally opine to Jobst (IMHO a
prescriptionist if there ever was one) that we've been going to Hell
in a handbasket for a long time without seeming to actually arrive,
but hold on there-- maybe we've reached the suburbs? IOW, is it kinda
warm in here, or is it just me?
Orange you glad you posted?
(I hope you can humor me, Ilan, there is no offense intended!)
--D-y
== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 5:40 pm
From: ilan
On May 31, 2:33 am, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> On May 30, 5:54 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 30, 9:37 pm, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:.
>
> > > BTW, I hate to nitpick, but "continence" means not having to wear a
> > > diaper-- or a plurality of differentiated global land mass areas.
> > > "Countenance" means, among other, to admit as acceptable or possible,
> > > or more specifically in this attempted usage, to tolerate (best IMHO)
> > > support, sanction, approve, patronize.
> > > --D-y
>
> > "Continence" more generally means self-restraint or reserve.
>
> > -ilan
>
> Well, in the first place, what fun is that? Geeze...
>
> I found it interesting that a few "name" online dictionaries give self-
> restraint (etc.) as a first meaning, with control over excretion as a
> second allowable usage, while some online sources, including notably
> Wiki, give involuntary-- and perhaps voluntary!-- control of those
> usually less-entertaining bodily functions as a first meaning for
> "continence". Which, since Wiki is written by contemporary, voluntary
> contribution, corresponds to my sense (as a retired plumber) that
> "continence" is a word whose usage, and therefore meaning, is changing
> from the old "restraint" to a somewhat different, but still
> significant form of control, if you will.
>
> But then, my bias is toward descriptive function over the
> prescriptive; you may have a different opinion on the weighting of the
> matter, but I hear "diaper" in relation to "continence". Especially
> when the old-line established dictionary quotes some old dead Greek
> guy to put "continence" in sentence context to show a primary usage/
> meaning of "self-restraint", while "continence", as in relation to
> diapers, etc., has become a usefully polite popular expression in
> these times of great masses of aging Baby Boomers, when anything and
> everything is advertised on TV. For instance, assuming you spend part
> of your time in the USA and watch, say, no more than an average of 15
> minutes a day watching TV, what do you think of (honest, now!) when
> you hear the word "erection"?
>
> Speaking of old dead Greek guys, and for that matter, ancient learned
> Romans long departed, since when lawyers not know their Greek/Latin
> word roots?
>
> I mean, even though it's not in the code book, I know where "plumber"
> came from... and I usually look stuff up before I publish, too., use
> the spell checker, etc. etc.. since my own knowledge is quite limited
> and if I'm speaking seriously I hate to put my foot in my mouth with
> an ignorant mistake, as that just blows any credibility I might have
> all to hell, fair or not!
>
> Speaking of Hell, I used to occasionally opine to Jobst (IMHO a
> prescriptionist if there ever was one) that we've been going to Hell
> in a handbasket for a long time without seeming to actually arrive,
> but hold on there-- maybe we've reached the suburbs? IOW, is it kinda
> warm in here, or is it just me?
>
> Orange you glad you posted?
> (I hope you can humor me, Ilan, there is no offense intended!)
> --D-y
Amazingly, perhaps the only time I used the word "continence" IRL was
in relation to cycling at a talk Katrin Tobin and Andy Paulin gave,
where I asked them if it was enforced at the US Olympic Training
Center.
-ilan
== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 6:24 pm
From: --D-y
On May 30, 7:40 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 31, 2:33 am, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 30, 5:54 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 30, 9:37 pm, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:.
>
> > > > BTW, I hate to nitpick, but "continence" means not having to wear a
> > > > diaper-- or a plurality of differentiated global land mass areas.
> > > > "Countenance" means, among other, to admit as acceptable or possible,
> > > > or more specifically in this attempted usage, to tolerate (best IMHO)
> > > > support, sanction, approve, patronize.
> > > > --D-y
>
> > > "Continence" more generally means self-restraint or reserve.
>
> > > -ilan
>
> > Well, in the first place, what fun is that? Geeze...
>
> > I found it interesting that a few "name" online dictionaries give self-
> > restraint (etc.) as a first meaning, with control over excretion as a
> > second allowable usage, while some online sources, including notably
> > Wiki, give involuntary-- and perhaps voluntary!-- control of those
> > usually less-entertaining bodily functions as a first meaning for
> > "continence". Which, since Wiki is written by contemporary, voluntary
> > contribution, corresponds to my sense (as a retired plumber) that
> > "continence" is a word whose usage, and therefore meaning, is changing
> > from the old "restraint" to a somewhat different, but still
> > significant form of control, if you will.
>
> > But then, my bias is toward descriptive function over the
> > prescriptive; you may have a different opinion on the weighting of the
> > matter, but I hear "diaper" in relation to "continence". Especially
> > when the old-line established dictionary quotes some old dead Greek
> > guy to put "continence" in sentence context to show a primary usage/
> > meaning of "self-restraint", while "continence", as in relation to
> > diapers, etc., has become a usefully polite popular expression in
> > these times of great masses of aging Baby Boomers, when anything and
> > everything is advertised on TV. For instance, assuming you spend part
> > of your time in the USA and watch, say, no more than an average of 15
> > minutes a day watching TV, what do you think of (honest, now!) when
> > you hear the word "erection"?
>
> > Speaking of old dead Greek guys, and for that matter, ancient learned
> > Romans long departed, since when lawyers not know their Greek/Latin
> > word roots?
>
> > I mean, even though it's not in the code book, I know where "plumber"
> > came from... and I usually look stuff up before I publish, too., use
> > the spell checker, etc. etc.. since my own knowledge is quite limited
> > and if I'm speaking seriously I hate to put my foot in my mouth with
> > an ignorant mistake, as that just blows any credibility I might have
> > all to hell, fair or not!
>
> > Speaking of Hell, I used to occasionally opine to Jobst (IMHO a
> > prescriptionist if there ever was one) that we've been going to Hell
> > in a handbasket for a long time without seeming to actually arrive,
> > but hold on there-- maybe we've reached the suburbs? IOW, is it kinda
> > warm in here, or is it just me?
>
> > Orange you glad you posted?
> > (I hope you can humor me, Ilan, there is no offense intended!)
> > --D-y
>
> Amazingly, perhaps the only time I used the word "continence" IRL was
> in relation to cycling at a talk Katrin Tobin and Andy Paulin gave,
> where I asked them if it was enforced at the US Olympic Training
> Center.
Which kind?
--D-y
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TOPIC: Belgian Railways launches bike hire scheme
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c35f256ee9b15220?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 3:41 pm
From: RicodJour
On May 29, 9:01 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 27, 8:55 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
>
> > Great idea
>
> > http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/mediatheek_en/2.3815/1....
>
> > --
> > Davey Crockett
> > Flying the Flag of the English
> > The Flag of Hengest and Horsahttp://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg
>
> And they passed on my free chocolate and hooker idea...... Fucking
> waffle humpers.
Maybe you should resubmit the idea as a free mocha hooker.
R
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TOPIC: us pro champs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/03f62276312bc231?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 5:19 pm
From: bar
yawn. was it even streamed live? i couldn't be bothered to look. i
assume George won it again. or maybe levi. was horner even there?
zzzzZZZZzzzz ...
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 30 2011 6:03 pm
From: RicodJour
On May 30, 8:19 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> yawn. was it even streamed live? i couldn't be bothered to look. i
> assume George won it again. or maybe levi. was horner even there?
>
> zzzzZZZZzzzz ...
No, Z won the TT. Busche won the road race.
http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/05/30/busche-beats-hincapie-to-win-usa-cycling-road-race-2/
I think it's grand that the article has only four sentence/paragraphs,
and two of them are on Tyler/LANCE/George doping allegations. Sheesh.
R
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