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Today's topics:
* finally!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/360d88846ba31148?hl=en
* Lance Is Selling One Of His Houses To Pay For Attorneys - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e6e82895b72a5da6?hl=en
* Where are all the FRAAM Fanboys??? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f8623a4a50205566?hl=en
* Scott Moninger finally gets his chance - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/91311a6061709a8d?hl=en
* Theme song for the soggy bottom boys of cycling Lance, Kevin, Allen - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6c43c5ae7672c30a?hl=en
* Promises - promises - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/345d27a2ede4270a?hl=en
* Can you win the TdF if you TT like a Fred? - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a782cd166629d8d0?hl=en
* Doping is Killing the Sport! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/364451b639fe888d?hl=en
* Armstrong In Deep Trouble - 7 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/17bafe0bcaa26b94?hl=en
* RBR injury status ? Kunich ? Jobst ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5f409bd538b30c7a?hl=en
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TOPIC: finally!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/360d88846ba31148?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 21 2011 8:52 pm
From: Michael Press
In article
<8d92f37d-6e33-4da5-849e-9b05e451b497@p6g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
bar <barbaricia@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 21, 3:52 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <e7820d7c-cfed-433b-b50a-b6edcb613...@j25g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/danielson-named-for-debut-tour-de-france
> >
> > He's ridden some grand tours and does not usually fall off
> > his bike, so I figure him to finish the race; and wish him well.
>
> are you serious, bro? quantify "some grand tours." and no, the tours
> of california or georgia don't count.
So now you expect me to back up what I say?
Don't hold your breath.
--
Michael Press
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TOPIC: Lance Is Selling One Of His Houses To Pay For Attorneys
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e6e82895b72a5da6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 2:04 am
From: Simply Fred
Fred Flintstein wrote:
> The feds went after my former team pursuit teammate twice. Even so he
> was never broke. They cost him a lot of money, but when he sold his
> house it was his ex-wife that made him do it, not the feds.
There must be a moral somewhere involving wives versus government, its
just a pity SOTS isn't around to clarify the moral.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 8:41 am
From: Vagina Gorilla
>
> The feds went after my former team pursuit teammate twice. Even so he
> was never broke. They cost him a lot of money, but when he sold his
> house it was his ex-wife that made him do it, not the feds.
>
> F
Wow you had team pursuit teammates ? I was pretty impressed with
that 4:07 pursuit until I realized it was for three thousand fucking
meters !!!
What does that equate to breaking 5:20 in the men's pursuit ? Did
they let you race 3k because of the sex change?
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TOPIC: Where are all the FRAAM Fanboys???
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f8623a4a50205566?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 5:23 am
From: RicodJour
On Jun 21, 5:23 pm, Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com>
wrote:
> On 6/21/2011 12:58 PM, derFah...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > this is just so completely awesome ...
>
> >http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/06/news/raam-updated-solo-racers-...
>
> That can't be good fer ya.
Spoken like a true doctor! Everyone knows that when you choke someone
the lack of oxygen blocks out the pain and stimulates the pleasure
centers. Ask David Carradine. Oh, wait, better not - but it's true!
R
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 4:19 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jun 21, 9:58 am, "derFah...@gmail.com" <derfah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> this is just so completely awesome ...
>
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/06/news/raam-updated-solo-racers-...
Love it. Fred on a stick.
In other news, a local rider (to me) is leading the Solo-Women
division, which has been reduced by attrition to two riders. Ex-pro
Leah Goldstein is tearing it up. BTW, don't sass her, she used to be a
world-champion kickboxer, and the Israeli Army trained her to kill:
http://www.leahgoldstein.com/bio.html
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TOPIC: Scott Moninger finally gets his chance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/91311a6061709a8d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 6:39 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 6/21/2011 6:33 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Jun 21, 2:40 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> On 6/21/2011 1:53 PM, Choppy Warburton wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 21, 9:46 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 6/21/2011 8:21 AM, Fred Bucephalus Birchmore wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Jun 20, 6:31 pm, MagillaGorilla<magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Anton Berlin wrote:
>>>>>>> Lance made his millions via doping - now Scott can make his because he
>>>>>>> didn't dope.
>>
>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jTI9p0lZ7kWyu2jMoYZ...
>>
>>>>>> Moninger already sued Vitamin Cottage years ago as well as the supplement manufacturer and settled out of court.
>>
>>>>>> Magilla
>>
>>>>> His lawyer should have included Hot Dog Heaven and Joe's Donuts along
>>>>> with Vitamin Cottage. These multi-national corporations need to be
>>>>> reigned in.
>>
>>>>> Seriously, how much is a "big" settlement from Vitamin Cottage
>>>>> worth ? Did he get some 40% off coupons for his next purchase ?
>>
>>>> What I don't get is why it's easier to concoct this elaborate
>>>> and unbelievable story than just admit that he did it and got
>>>> caught. This is right up there with a chimeric twin.
>>
>>>> If he was going to sue anyone it'd be the lab that screwed up
>>>> faking the analysis of the supplement he was claiming was
>>>> contaminated. They were making it up and still couldn't get it
>>>> right!
>>
>>>> F
>>
>>> Bob, you truly are the leading cum gurgling schoolgirl of RBR. Why
>>> don't you try selling your stupid ideas and home made bukkake videos
>>> to the Japanese?
>>
>> Dumbass,
>>
>> Compare Moninger to a guy like Bergman, who has been able to move
>> on with his life and cycling career. Moninger will have this
>> hanging over him for the rest of his life and for the rest of his
>> life the dishonesty will be there. How did that work out for guys
>> like Floyd and Tyler?
>>
>> I really don't get it. It makes no sense to me. I could give a shit
>> about the dope but the dishonesty about the dope is much worse.
>>
>> F
>
> And yet you coddle and caress Lance's ball sack with your tongue as if
> it was the fountain of youth.
Have you edited Moninger's wikipedia page yet? They'll want a reference,
fortunately lawsuits are public record. Even Lafferty can look that shit
up.
And for everyone's benefit could you please keep both hands on the
keyboard when writing about LANCE? Thanks.
F
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 6:53 am
From: RicodJour
On Jun 22, 9:39 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 6/21/2011 6:33 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> > On Jun 21, 2:40 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >> On 6/21/2011 1:53 PM, Choppy Warburton wrote:
>
> >>> On Jun 21, 9:46 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 6/21/2011 8:21 AM, Fred Bucephalus Birchmore wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Jun 20, 6:31 pm, MagillaGorilla<magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Anton Berlin wrote:
> >>>>>>> Lance made his millions via doping - now Scott can make his because he
> >>>>>>> didn't dope.
>
> >>>>>>>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jTI9p0lZ7kWyu2jMoYZ...
>
> >>>>>> Moninger already sued Vitamin Cottage years ago as well as the supplement manufacturer and settled out of court.
>
> >>>>>> Magilla
>
> >>>>> His lawyer should have included Hot Dog Heaven and Joe's Donuts along
> >>>>> with Vitamin Cottage. These multi-national corporations need to be
> >>>>> reigned in.
>
> >>>>> Seriously, how much is a "big" settlement from Vitamin Cottage
> >>>>> worth ? Did he get some 40% off coupons for his next purchase ?
>
> >>>> What I don't get is why it's easier to concoct this elaborate
> >>>> and unbelievable story than just admit that he did it and got
> >>>> caught. This is right up there with a chimeric twin.
>
> >>>> If he was going to sue anyone it'd be the lab that screwed up
> >>>> faking the analysis of the supplement he was claiming was
> >>>> contaminated. They were making it up and still couldn't get it
> >>>> right!
>
> >>>> F
>
> >>> Bob, you truly are the leading cum gurgling schoolgirl of RBR. Why
> >>> don't you try selling your stupid ideas and home made bukkake videos
> >>> to the Japanese?
>
> >> Dumbass,
>
> >> Compare Moninger to a guy like Bergman, who has been able to move
> >> on with his life and cycling career. Moninger will have this
> >> hanging over him for the rest of his life and for the rest of his
> >> life the dishonesty will be there. How did that work out for guys
> >> like Floyd and Tyler?
>
> >> I really don't get it. It makes no sense to me. I could give a shit
> >> about the dope but the dishonesty about the dope is much worse.
>
> >> F
>
> > And yet you coddle and caress Lance's ball sack with your tongue as if
> > it was the fountain of youth.
>
> Have you edited Moninger's wikipedia page yet? They'll want a reference,
> fortunately lawsuits are public record. Even Lafferty can look that shit
> up.
>
> And for everyone's benefit could you please keep both hands on the
> keyboard when writing about LANCE? Thanks.
He does. He just has an extra digit on the keyboard as well. Oddly
enough they're all the same size.
R
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 8:37 am
From: Vagina Gorilla
On Jun 22, 8:53 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 9:39 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 6/21/2011 6:33 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> > > On Jun 21, 2:40 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >> On 6/21/2011 1:53 PM, Choppy Warburton wrote:
>
> > >>> On Jun 21, 9:46 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> On 6/21/2011 8:21 AM, Fred Bucephalus Birchmore wrote:
>
> > >>>>> On Jun 20, 6:31 pm, MagillaGorilla<magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Anton Berlin wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Lance made his millions via doping - now Scott can make his because he
> > >>>>>>> didn't dope.
>
> > >>>>>>>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jTI9p0lZ7kWyu2jMoYZ...
>
> > >>>>>> Moninger already sued Vitamin Cottage years ago as well as the supplement manufacturer and settled out of court.
>
> > >>>>>> Magilla
>
> > >>>>> His lawyer should have included Hot Dog Heaven and Joe's Donuts along
> > >>>>> with Vitamin Cottage. These multi-national corporations need to be
> > >>>>> reigned in.
>
> > >>>>> Seriously, how much is a "big" settlement from Vitamin Cottage
> > >>>>> worth ? Did he get some 40% off coupons for his next purchase ?
>
> > >>>> What I don't get is why it's easier to concoct this elaborate
> > >>>> and unbelievable story than just admit that he did it and got
> > >>>> caught. This is right up there with a chimeric twin.
>
> > >>>> If he was going to sue anyone it'd be the lab that screwed up
> > >>>> faking the analysis of the supplement he was claiming was
> > >>>> contaminated. They were making it up and still couldn't get it
> > >>>> right!
>
> > >>>> F
>
> > >>> Bob, you truly are the leading cum gurgling schoolgirl of RBR. Why
> > >>> don't you try selling your stupid ideas and home made bukkake videos
> > >>> to the Japanese?
>
> > >> Dumbass,
>
> > >> Compare Moninger to a guy like Bergman, who has been able to move
> > >> on with his life and cycling career. Moninger will have this
> > >> hanging over him for the rest of his life and for the rest of his
> > >> life the dishonesty will be there. How did that work out for guys
> > >> like Floyd and Tyler?
>
> > >> I really don't get it. It makes no sense to me. I could give a shit
> > >> about the dope but the dishonesty about the dope is much worse.
>
> > >> F
>
> > > And yet you coddle and caress Lance's ball sack with your tongue as if
> > > it was the fountain of youth.
>
> > Have you edited Moninger's wikipedia page yet? They'll want a reference,
> > fortunately lawsuits are public record. Even Lafferty can look that shit
> > up.
>
> > And for everyone's benefit could you please keep both hands on the
> > keyboard when writing about LANCE? Thanks.
>
> He does. He just has an extra digit on the keyboard as well. Oddly
> enough they're all the same size.
>
> R
Ryan and Bob your doubleteam on Lance's ballsack is interfering with
Liz Hatches plan to suck her way to the top. Don't your tongues ever
get tired ?
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TOPIC: Theme song for the soggy bottom boys of cycling Lance, Kevin, Allen
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6c43c5ae7672c30a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 8:52 am
From: Vagina Gorilla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2dqgUkJOvs
And you don't want to know what's making those bottoms soggy .
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TOPIC: Promises - promises
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/345d27a2ede4270a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 8:49 am
From: Vagina Gorilla
Who ever even heard about these fuckers ?
http://www.worldbike.com/Media/Langdale.pdf
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TOPIC: Can you win the TdF if you TT like a Fred?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a782cd166629d8d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 10:05 am
From: "Benjo Maso"
> "ilan" schreef in bericht news:4cee5fcc-2dca-4cc5-be12-01e860f5d566
> Concerning #2, recall that in the 1995 Tour, Indurain caught Armstrong
> after only 16km, and he said he had no clue how anyone could ride that
> fast. Armstrong subsequently managed to get to Indurain's level while
> losing over 10kg.
No, he didn't. According to Ed Coyle in September 1993 Armstrong weighted
75,1 kg (according the Motorola team guide 74,91). Ten years later Armstrong
declared to be satisfied with "a low 74kg", which, by the way, was his
weight just before the Tour. Of course, hors saison he weighted much more
(79-80 kg), but thtat's another matter.
> That is probably the one question I would like to ask Armstrong, if I
> ever get the chance.
> Personally, I think that the answer is mostly in his improved
> position, Armstrong had the most horrible scrunched up riding style
> pre-cancer. The other is learning higher pedalling cadence more
> consistent with his physiology.
> For the cynics, I think the drug question is meaningless, EPO was
> already universal in 1995, and ever other lousy TT guy equivalent to
> Armstrong had the same opportunity from 1995 to 1999.
The drug question isn't meaningless. Takings EPO isn't enough. The
Gewiss-Ballan team made a sensation 1994, not because they were taking EPO
(which was already in 1987 or 1988 introduced in the peloton), but because
they knew how to use it and how to combine it with other drugs.
>This is consistent with my current thoughts about time trialing, I
> think it comes down to learning how to pedal and for many riders that
> is just too hard (learning) people underestimate the stupidity of
> professional riders. That goes a long way to explaining Armstrong's
> improvement, as well as smart guys like Jalabert or Kelly. Look at
> Vinokourov who can't time trial, though he's definitely not an idiot,
> his pedaling technique has been proved mediocre, e.g., his two up
> sprint against Comesso in the Tour in which he was ridiculously
> overgeared.
I wouldn't say Vinokourov cannot time trial. He won the ITT in the 2006
Vuelta and finished three or four times third in the Tour (after Armstrong
and Ullrich).
Benjo
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 11:10 am
From: "Benjo Maso"
"ilan" schreef in bericht
news:4cee5fcc-2dca-4cc5-be12-01e860f5d566@m18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
This is consistent with my current thoughts about time trialing, I
think it comes down to learning how to pedal and for many riders that
is just too hard (learning) people underestimate the stupidity of
professional riders. That goes a long way to explaining Armstrong's
improvement, as well as smart guys like Jalabert or Kelly. Look at
Vinokourov who can't time trial, though he's definitely not an idiot,
his pedaling technique has been proved mediocre, e.g., his two up
sprint against Comesso in the Tour in which he was ridiculously
overgeared.
Nobody had a worse pedaling technique than Michel Pollentier "the first
cyclist who doesn't know how to ride a bicycle" (L'Equipe). A small, skinny
guy. All the same, an excellent time trialist. Beat Merckx in the Tour 1974,
Moser in the Giro, etc.
Benjo
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 12:42 pm
From: Simply Fred
ilan wrote:
> This is consistent with my current thoughts about time trialing, I
> think it comes down to learning how to pedal
Benjo Maso wrote:
> Nobody had a worse pedaling technique than Michel Pollentier "the first
> cyclist who doesn't know how to ride a bicycle" (L'Equipe). A small,
> skinny guy. All the same, an excellent time trialist. Beat Merckx in the
> Tour 1974, Moser in the Giro, etc.
Pedaling technique is a red herring.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 1:22 pm
From: ilan
On Jun 22, 7:05 pm, "Benjo Maso" <benjo.m...@upcmail.nl> wrote:
> > "ilan" schreef in bericht news:4cee5fcc-2dca-4cc5-be12-01e860f5d566
> > Concerning #2, recall that in the 1995 Tour, Indurain caught Armstrong
> > after only 16km, and he said he had no clue how anyone could ride that
> > fast. Armstrong subsequently managed to get to Indurain's level while
> > losing over 10kg.
>
> No, he didn't. According to Ed Coyle in September 1993 Armstrong weighted
> 75,1 kg (according the Motorola team guide 74,91). Ten years later Armstrong
> declared to be satisfied with "a low 74kg", which, by the way, was his
> weight just before the Tour. Of course, hors saison he weighted much more
> (79-80 kg), but thtat's another matter.
>
> > That is probably the one question I would like to ask Armstrong, if I
> > ever get the chance.
> > Personally, I think that the answer is mostly in his improved
> > position, Armstrong had the most horrible scrunched up riding style
> > pre-cancer. The other is learning higher pedalling cadence more
> > consistent with his physiology.
> > For the cynics, I think the drug question is meaningless, EPO was
> > already universal in 1995, and ever other lousy TT guy equivalent to
> > Armstrong had the same opportunity from 1995 to 1999.
>
> The drug question isn't meaningless. Takings EPO isn't enough. The
> Gewiss-Ballan team made a sensation 1994, not because they were taking EPO
> (which was already in 1987 or 1988 introduced in the peloton), but because
> they knew how to use it and how to combine it with other drugs.
>
> >This is consistent with my current thoughts about time trialing, I
> > think it comes down to learning how to pedal and for many riders that
> > is just too hard (learning) people underestimate the stupidity of
> > professional riders. That goes a long way to explaining Armstrong's
> > improvement, as well as smart guys like Jalabert or Kelly. Look at
> > Vinokourov who can't time trial, though he's definitely not an idiot,
> > his pedaling technique has been proved mediocre, e.g., his two up
> > sprint against Comesso in the Tour in which he was ridiculously
> > overgeared.
>
> I wouldn't say Vinokourov cannot time trial. He won the ITT in the 2006
> Vuelta and finished three or four times third in the Tour (after Armstrong
> and Ullrich).
>
> Benjo
My information is that Armstrong's 1995 weight was approximately 84kg.
To restate, Armstrong TT improvement must be due to position and
technique because of the 200+ other pros using similar drugs, none of
them had similar improvement. Moreover, everyone can improve his
position, but it takes a complete rethinking of everything you've ever
done to change pedaling style.
It appears to me that Johan Bruyneel who was known as one of the
leading proponents of high cadence spinning (I recall reading at the
time that he spent hours training in a 42x15 fixed gear, which leads
to fast spinning at the speeds he trained) somehow managed to figure
out that this was the key to Armstrong's progression as a grand tour
rider.
It appears to me that climbing an flat TT pedaling style are
fundamentally different and different muscles are used in different
ways. I just heard an interview with David Zabriskie who directly
referred to this by stating that climbing requires constant pressure
on the pedals, which doesn't suit him. Conversely, climbers used to
putting constant pressure when climbing could apply it to flat time
trialing thereby wasting energy, that is, no getting the muscular
power to the pedals.
-ilan
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 4:29 pm
From: Brad Anders
On Jun 22, 1:22 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It appears to me that climbing an flat TT pedaling style are
> fundamentally different and different muscles are used in different
> ways. I just heard an interview with David Zabriskie who directly
> referred to this by stating that climbing requires constant pressure
> on the pedals, which doesn't suit him. Conversely, climbers used to
> putting constant pressure when climbing could apply it to flat time
> trialing thereby wasting energy, that is, no getting the muscular
> power to the pedals.
Andy Coggan and I had a discussion here on how pedaling forces differ
between climbing and riding in the flats. I don't think we came to any
kind of conclusion as to why guys who are good climbers often aren't
good TT'er's and vice versa. Sure, position and equipment make a
difference, but there's something more going on here. Technique? There
are plenty of good ITT'er's who spin, some who push huge gears, some
who are slick as snot, others who rock all over. Indurain had a
terrible position on the bike, we used to call him "monkey on a
stick" (no relation to Magilla). A guy like Indurain simply should not
have been as good a climber as he was (dope or not) - but he was.
One thing that's often discounted is the mental side of it. You
remember Kevin Metcalfe? I heard he just set a national 40K record for
50+ (or something like that). He told us that he was able to hold a
180 bpm heart rate for a full 40K, that's got to be insanely difficult
to do and not simply give in to the pain. Is climbing different?
If I had any answers, maybe I'd climb and be able to ride in the flats
better. Unfortunately, not.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 5:43 pm
From: "Benjo Maso"
"ilan" schreef in bericht
news:59abf761-0023-4f0d-84ab-5401dd692cb6@em7g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
My information is that Armstrong's 1995 weight was approximately 84kg.
Certainly not. Even Ferrari and Armstrong himself ever claimed his weight
was more than 80kg. Before his illmes his weight fluctuated between 74,9 and
80 kg, from 1999 to 2005 between 74 and 79,7.
To restate, Armstrong TT improvement must be due to position and
technique because of the 200+ other pros using similar drugs, none of
them had similar improvement.
What about Bjarne Riis? Before 1993, the year he said he started taking EPO,
he Riis rode 7 ITT's in the Tour de France (I don't count climbing TT's).
His results: 88th, 64th, 67th, 89th, 138th, 79th. In 1993: 12th, 21th; 1994:
6th; 1995: 2nd, 2nd; 1995: 2nd, 4th; 1996: 2nd; 4th; 1997: 3rd, 93th (the
ITT when he threw away his bike!)
Moreover, everyone can improve his
position, but it takes a complete rethinking of everything you've ever
done to change pedaling style.
It appears to me that Johan Bruyneel who was known as one of the
leading proponents of high cadence spinning (I recall reading at the
time that he spent hours training in a 42x15 fixed gear, which leads
to fast spinning at the speeds he trained) somehow managed to figure
out that this was the key to Armstrong's progression as a grand tour
rider.
According to Daniel Coyle's 'Lance Armstrongs War, it was Michele Ferrari's
idea.
"Ferrari had watched the East Africans come to dominate the long distance
running scene, and, as a former runner, he was fascinated by what seemed a
glaring inefficiency in their form. Rather than the lovely antelope strides
of other runners, the Kenyans ran with short, quick steps. They didn=t run,
they scooted. It was hardly pretty; moreover, it had been shown by many
studies that the ideally efficient running stride was long, not short. All
the same, these inefficient Kenyans
seemed to win an awful lot. An idea began to form.
(...)
"It was a bold idea, one that appealed to Ferrari because it represented a
logical step in the evolution of the ultimate athlete; one who shifts the
stress from powerful but unreliable muscles onto the more resilient
cardiovascular system. They worked with Armstrong to raise his cadence from
the conventional range to 100 rpms, a move that Ferrari regards as the key
to all that has happened since."
It appears to me that climbing an flat TT pedaling style are
fundamentally different and different muscles are used in different
ways. I just heard an interview with David Zabriskie who directly
referred to this by stating that climbing requires constant pressure
on the pedals, which doesn't suit him. Conversely, climbers used to
putting constant pressure when climbing could apply it to flat time
trialing thereby wasting energy, that is, no getting the muscular
power to the pedals.
And yet, some of the best climbers were excellent time trialists as well:
not only Coppi, but also Bobet, Gaul, Merckx, Oca�a, Van Impe, Fignon, etc.
Benjo
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TOPIC: Doping is Killing the Sport!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/364451b639fe888d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 10:43 am
From: Jimmy July
On 06/21/2011 08:44 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/saxo-bank-renews-sponsorship-for-2012
Wonderful. It's a meta-troll. I love it!
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TOPIC: Armstrong In Deep Trouble
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/17bafe0bcaa26b94?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 1:49 pm
From: BL
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8826/Lance-Armstrong-investigation-Former-federal-prosecutor-speaks-about-possible-witness-tampering-charges.aspx
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 2:05 pm
From: ilan
On Jun 22, 10:49 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8826/Lance-Armstrong-investigation-...
Armstrong was already investigated for witness tampering when he
chased down a break with Simeoni in the last stage of the Tour de
France. The videotape evidence there was clear, Simeoni will be
brought to testify at the trial to confirm the incident.
-ilan
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 2:31 pm
From: BL
On 6/22/2011 5:05 PM, ilan wrote:
> On Jun 22, 10:49 pm, BL<b...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8826/Lance-Armstrong-investigation-...
>
> Armstrong was already investigated for witness tampering when he
> chased down a break with Simeoni in the last stage of the Tour de
> France. The videotape evidence there was clear, Simeoni will be
> brought to testify at the trial to confirm the incident.
>
> -ilan
Doubtful that Simeoni will be anything more than a tourist visiting
Armstrong's trial. Apples vs. oranges Ilian
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 2:29 pm
From: Brad Anders
On Jun 22, 1:49 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8826/Lance-Armstrong-investigation-...
If there are impartial third parties that heard LA threaten Tyler,
then LA is definitely in trouble. If there are videotapes that show LA
acting in a threatening manner towards Tyler, or there are impartial
third parties that saw him act threateningly, then LA is definitely in
trouble. However, if it just comes down to Tyler's word against LA's
word, I doubt anything will happen - and that's what it's looking like
right now. The videotapes don't seem to exist, and at least in that
article, it doesn't seem anyone other than Tyler and Lance actually
heard their conversation.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 2:56 pm
From: BL
On 6/22/2011 5:29 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> On Jun 22, 1:49 pm, BL<b...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8826/Lance-Armstrong-investigation-...
>
> If there are impartial third parties that heard LA threaten Tyler,
> then LA is definitely in trouble. If there are videotapes that show LA
> acting in a threatening manner towards Tyler, or there are impartial
> third parties that saw him act threateningly, then LA is definitely in
> trouble. However, if it just comes down to Tyler's word against LA's
> word, I doubt anything will happen - and that's what it's looking like
> right now. The videotapes don't seem to exist, and at least in that
> article, it doesn't seem anyone other than Tyler and Lance actually
> heard their conversation.
It has already been reported that Armstrong physically stopped Hamilton.
That lends credibility to Hamilton's allegations. If you bothered to
read the article, you'd have read that tampering charges are often
brought with only the witness' statement of what happened. I suggest
that you also take a good look at the description of the meeting on the
Outside reporter's blog.
The fact that the restaurant owner has admitted giving Armstrong advance
warning of Hamilton's presence is also a major problem for Armstrong as
his presence and physical stopping of Hamilton indicates intent to
intimidate.
It is being reported elsewhere the the US Attorney has, in a letter to
Armstrong's counsel, asked for Armstrong to relate his side of the
encounter. Lance truly screwed himself.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 2:56 pm
From: ilan
On Jun 22, 11:05 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 10:49 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8826/Lance-Armstrong-investigation-...
>
> Armstrong was already investigated for witness tampering when he
> chased down a break with Simeoni in the last stage of the Tour de
> France. The videotape evidence there was clear, Simeoni will be
> brought to testify at the trial to confirm the incident.
>
> -ilan
Moreover, during the USPS years, Armstrong was well known for
following his teammates and taking shelter from the wind as well as
taking pace, thereby using them for his own ends. During all those
tour wins, did any other rider from USPS win a stage, why did one of
his teammates only win a stage when they switched to Discovery
Channel? Inquiring minds want to know.....
-ilan
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 3:45 pm
From: BL
http://outside-blog.away.com/blog/2011/06/lance-armstrong-and-tyler-hamilton-walk-into-a-bar.html
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TOPIC: RBR injury status ? Kunich ? Jobst ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5f409bd538b30c7a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 4:22 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jun 19, 10:03 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ca71086c-e158-4a6f-9432-f96674177ea2@r20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 19, 7:28 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Last we know Kunich really did take one to the noggin due to an
> > exploding fork and Jobst was going in to PT
>
> > Any updates ?
>
> =========
> Maybe MJ has an update on Jobst, I haven't heard much since he went
> home. Last stuff I saw on Kunich looked pretty bad, he was seriously
> f'ed up from that crash.
> =========
>
> Nothing new from my end; I'll see what I can find out. It's been a
> couple months since they brought him by the shop on his first trip away
> from the house.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I haven't seen either on Usenet in months; I took that as a sign that
they were both better off than before their crashes.
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