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Today's topics:
* Armstrong In Deep Trouble - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/17bafe0bcaa26b94?hl=en
* Longo is a Granny - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/eb2c598a6202dcd2?hl=en
* Set Up?? Another Possibility - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4cd3917154c5c24b?hl=en
* Lafferty - you seriously need to take it down a notch - 7 messages, 6
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a64b97d8a9644198?hl=en
* Spanish court overturns Heras' suspension - the courts are candy-ass - 4
messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4ecf39273d1af3d1?hl=en
* Now hear is a guy just trying to perform an important public service - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e78865a83b80ae4d?hl=en
* 40 days to take back control of your body - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/43b1a006613d24a2?hl=en
* It's just a question of time before the US Govt takes down the greatest
cyclist of all time. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6110e18c5b66e7be?hl=en
* RBR injury status ? Kunich ? Jobst ? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5f409bd538b30c7a?hl=en
* Pull Your Pants Up... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/928f9b81a7534efc?hl=en
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TOPIC: Armstrong In Deep Trouble
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/17bafe0bcaa26b94?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 23 2011 11:09 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Jun 23, 5:55 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 23, 10:21 pm, Andy Coggan <acog...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 23, 2:14 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On 6/23/2011 11:34 AM, Andy Coggan wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 23, 10:17 am, BL<b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > >> On 6/23/2011 8:47 AM, Andy Coggan wrote:> On Jun 22, 11:38 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"<Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
>
> > > >>>> There's something a bit odd about the whole coincidence thing. The
> > > >>>> article says that Tyler thought Lance was out of town, and thus wouldn't
> > > >>>> run into him in the restaurant. Huh? Aspen is small but not tiny; there
> > > >>>> are a number of places to eat, and the chances of randomly running into
> > > >>>> Lance in one is quite small. On the other hand, the odds of running into
> > > >>>> Lance in a restraint which he is known to frequent... well first of all,
> > > >>>> it's odd that that's where Tyler would choose to eat, and second... I
> > > >>>> don't even know where to go with the second point. It just smells fishy.
>
> > > >>> Put-up job by Outside magazine?
>
> > > >>> Andy Coggan
>
> > > >> Care to elaborate with facts to substantiate that speculative comment? I
> > > >> think you've been reading Polish and friends over on The Clinic.
> > > >> Infectious that. LOL!!
>
> > > >> The Outside event and Hamilton's involvement were well known in advance.
> > > >> Unless you're saying that Outside grabbed Armstrong off the street, made
> > > >> him sit at the bar and forced him to put out his arm to block Hamilton's
> > > >> path. Armstrong will have to take the responsibility for HIS actions.
>
> > > >> Spoken with any Radio Shack trainers lately, Andy?
>
> > > > It was merely a possibility that had occurred to me, and I meant
> > > > Hamilton's presence in Aspen in general, not the encounter in the bar.
> > > > After all, it is hard to imagine too many people paying good money to
> > > > ride with Hamilton, so why Outside would bother to bring him to Aspen
> > > > in the first place is a bit beyond me. As well, Outside is also the
> > > > magazine that ran the pic of Armstrong labeled Pharmstrong on the
> > > > cover. It therefore would not surprise me to learn that rather than
> > > > merely reporting some news, they tried to orchestrate the creation of
> > > > some (and quite successfully at that).
>
> > > Any facts to back up your speculation?
>
> > None whatsoever. That's why it is called speculation.
>
> > > > As for Radio Shack trainers, I have not spoken to Allen Lim since
> > > > before his association with Landis. I have spoken to the top
> > > > physiologist at CTS more recently, but not in the last year or so.
>
> > > Be sure to not hold anything back from the Feds if the come a calling.
>
> > Yeah, like *that's* going to happen...they'd learn more by subponeaing
> > Tugboat.
>
> > Andy Coggan
>
> Take this for what it's worth, but everything you post here could be
> scrutinized by federal authorities. One simple reason is that since
> there isn't much actual evidence, they could start looking at any
> random objectively verifiable scribbling by someone with actual
> credentials.
>
> In other words, prudence is indicated when people are under
> investigation for bar room non brawls.
>
Actually, this explains a lot.
Coggan is well advised to post here as it gives the
investigators something meaningless to trawl through,
but easy to find. It's much better to be subpoenaed about
some random thing you posted on Usenet, than to have
the investigators, failing to find any actual evidence easily,
decide that they should subpoena, say, the email and lab
notebooks of anyone who was ever in the same room
as Allen Lim. Not that that would reveal anything, but
the subpoena would be a royal pain in the ass to deal with.
It's a bit like the old joke about how there's a one in a million
chance there's a bomb on an airplane, but there's a one in
a trillion chance there are _two_ bombs on an airplane,
so to be safe you should always carry a bomb on yourself.
At least that way you know the bomb is under control.
Similarly, I expect that this whole barroom non-brawl
is a setup by LANCE to distract attention - now no one will
ever figure out that he had the kitchen at Cache Cache
cut up and serve Basso's dog, so it couldn't be introduced
as material evidence.
But Birillo was old and a bit tough, hence the kerfuffle
about the Outside magazine table being dissatisfied and
leaving without a tip. It all hangs together, you see?
The truth is out there, and on any given Tuesday,
it may come to light.
Fredmaster of Puppets Ben
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 5:41 am
From: Anton Berlin
Ever hear of an intimidated person going closer to
> seek physical contact?
Oh retard of the day you disappoint us all when you type without
thinking...MMA fighters wanting to knee someone
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 5:45 am
From: "A. Dumas"
Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Jun 23, 5:55 pm, ilan wrote:
>> On Jun 23, 10:21 pm, Andy Coggan wrote:
>>> Yeah, like *that's* going to happen...they'd learn more by subponeaing
>>> Tugboat.
>>
>> Take this for what it's worth, but everything you post here could be
>> scrutinized by federal authorities. One simple reason is that since
>> there isn't much actual evidence, they could start looking at any
>> random objectively verifiable scribbling by someone with actual
>> credentials.
>>
>> In other words, prudence is indicated when people are under
>> investigation for bar room non brawls.
>
> Actually, this explains a lot.
>
> Coggan is well advised to post here as it gives the
> investigators something meaningless to trawl through,
> but easy to find. It's much better to be subpoenaed about
> some random thing you posted on Usenet, than to have
> the investigators, failing to find any actual evidence easily,
> decide that they should subpoena, say, the email and lab
> notebooks of anyone who was ever in the same room
> as Allen Lim. Not that that would reveal anything, but
> the subpoena would be a royal pain in the ass to deal with.
>
> It's a bit like the old joke about how there's a one in a million
> chance there's a bomb on an airplane, but there's a one in
> a trillion chance there are _two_ bombs on an airplane,
> so to be safe you should always carry a bomb on yourself.
> At least that way you know the bomb is under control.
>
> Similarly, I expect that this whole barroom non-brawl
> is a setup by LANCE to distract attention - now no one will
> ever figure out that he had the kitchen at Cache Cache
> cut up and serve Basso's dog, so it couldn't be introduced
> as material evidence.
>
> But Birillo was old and a bit tough, hence the kerfuffle
> about the Outside magazine table being dissatisfied and
> leaving without a tip. It all hangs together, you see?
> The truth is out there, and on any given Tuesday,
> it may come to light.
>
> Fredmaster of Puppets Ben
Ha ha! Excellent.
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TOPIC: Longo is a Granny
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/eb2c598a6202dcd2?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 5:47 am
From: "A. Dumas"
ilan wrote:
> [Longo] just got the women's record for the Mount Washington hill climb.
Funny, because
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2011-02-11-3731406206_x.htm
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 6:47 am
From: RicodJour
On Jun 24, 8:47 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> ilan wrote:
>
> > [Longo] just got the women's record for the Mount Washington hill climb.
>
> Funny, because http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2011-02-11-3731406206_x.htm
That's a great article.
R
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 10:23 am
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jun 24, 6:47 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 8:47 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
>
> > ilan wrote:
>
> > > [Longo] just got the women's record for the Mount Washington hill climb.
>
> > Funny, becausehttp://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2011-02-11-3731406206_x.htm
>
> That's a great article.
>
> R
I know it speaks too closely to RBR's Second-Greatest Obsession*, but
did you notice that Longo gave the closest answer an active cyclist
can to "hell yeah I doped, so what?"
*#1 is still LANCE, and with him well into his second retirement, even
I am surprised.
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TOPIC: Set Up?? Another Possibility
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4cd3917154c5c24b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 5:50 am
From: Anton Berlin
On Jun 23, 9:06 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> BL wrote:
> > On 6/23/2011 6:25 PM, BL wrote:
> > > On 6/23/2011 3:42 PM, MagillaGorilla wrote:
> > >> BL wrote:
>
> > >>> From the Clinic:
>
> > >>> So, you are suggesting that the witness tampering was a far more
> > >>> intricate and orchestrated endeavor, with significantly greater
> > >>> premeditation.
>
> > >>> Armstrong not only tampered with a federal witness, but rather than
> > >>> simply avoiding Hamilton he created a complex "trap" within which he
> > >>> manipulated Hamilton into a confrontation.
>
> > >>> "No your honor. Rather than avoiding the witness, I created a complex
> > >>> trap wherein I actually ensured a confrontation with the witness".
>
> > >>> Got it.
>
> > >> Gunderson will never testify in federal court. He will plead not guilty
> > >> and go to trial and rely on getting the right jury consultant to pick
> > >> the right sycophants to acquit. If I were one of the federal
> > >> prosecutors, I would have the jurors strip searched to make sure they're
> > >> not wearing a Livestrong band around their ball sack (or pussy
> > >> apparatus).
>
> > >> Gunderson actually believes his own lies at this point. And I'm sure
> > >> his attorneys are egging him on just to run up the billable hours since
> > >> if they go to trial, they will be able to charge overtime. But
> > >> Gunderson is being fed a load of lies by his one-trick pony defense team
> > >> like, "We'll destroy them at trial, Lance, don't worry about it,
> > >> champ"....
>
> > >> Magilla
>
> > > I agree he'll go to trial, but I don't think the criminal attorneys he's
> > > hired will give him anything but accurate appraisals of his situation.
> > > He won't listen to any talk of cutting a deal unless it's an amazing one
> > > which it won't be. A trial will be a goldmine for them. I'll predict his
> > > trial defense will run him $2-5 million.
>
> > As I think of it, it will run him $5-10 million, if not more.
>
> Yeah, it will be around $5-10 million, but Livestrong Foundation will likely
> cover it.
>
> Magilla
You have a valid point there. Or another FraudLandis style defense
fund ? Texas is as good as place as any to hide and hold wealth in
its various forms. If Lance is like anyone else in Texas with a few
million or more he's spent the 20-30k to set up a number of trusts
that keep his cash pretty much safe except for the US govt that will
soon default or devalue.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 8:27 am
From: --D-y
On Jun 23, 2:21 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> From the Clinic:
>
> So, you are suggesting that the witness tampering was a far more
> intricate and orchestrated endeavor, with significantly greater
> premeditation.
>
> Armstrong not only tampered with a federal witness, but rather than
> simply avoiding Hamilton he created a complex "trap" within which he
> manipulated Hamilton into a confrontation.
>
> "No your honor. Rather than avoiding the witness, I created a complex
> trap wherein I actually ensured a confrontation with the witness".
>
> Got it.
"One more time for Brian":
Not really very "intricate" or "orchestrated". Petty workplace
politics setup bullshit, except at a fancy diner in Aspen.
One more time-- Outside has gone to Aspen for an annual event for how
many years? Given a little "hang" time, it's not hard to pick up on
"who goes where"-- which celebrity does what-- in what is still
geographically a small town. So Outside, which has an axe to grind
with Lance (having published good things about him, even while
publishing a story detailing a reporter's ease in "getting on a
program" and the big improvement in his athletic performance, which of
course is All Lance's Fault) and also "must" distance the magazine
from CHEATING in athletics, just sends a crew out, wink wink, finds
out via old contacts and acquaintances where Lance dines in Aspen
while it's hot as Hades in Austin and everyone who can leave, leaves,
and sets up a "party" complete with ready, on-the-party-wagon-payroll
witnesses. If "Tyler thought Lance wasn't in town", that was just a
part of the setup and again, nothing needed to be said "on record".
"Sit back and watch", nothing to it. The not tipping business is
revealing IRT attitude-- "Our work here is done, you've been used".
If Novitsky had set this trap, you'd be bragging on him.
--D-y
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TOPIC: Lafferty - you seriously need to take it down a notch
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a64b97d8a9644198?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 6:03 am
From: Anton Berlin
Look man after reading so many of these "carry or fucktard" style
posts I can see how eventually what you are is so loud that no one can
hear what you're saying anymore.
Hell - even Jabouskey seems reasonable lately at times.
At the core 99.9% of people here agree with the conclusion that Lance
Armstrong doped and is a pathological liar but arguing every little
point and stooping to calling everyone names on an hourly basis just
taints the credibility of your view and this message board.
So try to be respectful and respond as if you were in the same room as
these people and their families.
There could be young children in here and we don't need a bunch of
fucking cunts and cocksuckers making the forum look like some whores
ass that's just been gang banked in a bukkake video.
Thank you.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 6:43 am
From: RicodJour
On Jun 24, 9:03 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Look man after reading so many of these "carry or fucktard" style
> posts I can see how eventually what you are is so loud that no one can
> hear what you're saying anymore.
>
> Hell - even Jabouskey seems reasonable lately at times.
>
> At the core 99.9% of people here agree with the conclusion that Lance
> Armstrong doped and is a pathological liar but arguing every little
> point and stooping to calling everyone names on an hourly basis just
> taints the credibility of your view and this message board.
>
> So try to be respectful and respond as if you were in the same room as
> these people and their families.
>
> There could be young children in here and we don't need a bunch of
> fucking cunts and cocksuckers making the forum look like some whores
> ass that's just been gang banked in a bukkake video.
>
> Thank you.
Hear, hear!
R
PS Your pizza smells like diseased aborigine twat.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 8:03 am
From: ilan
On Jun 24, 3:03 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> At the core 99.9% of people here agree with the conclusion that Lance
> Armstrong doped and is a pathological liar
>
> Thank you.
I doubt that there are 1000 people here, so make that < 99.9% since I
don't believe that at all.
-ilan
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 8:44 am
From: "A. Dumas"
Anton Berlin wrote:
> So try to be respectful and respond as if you were in the same room as
> these people and their families.
That's rich, coming from you.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 9:00 am
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"
On Jun 24, 9:03 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So try to be respectful and respond as if you were in the same room as
> these people and their families.
Do you use this same approach with the smelly, schizophrenic,
shirtless dude in the park, who stands around watching the kids play
on monkey bars?
I didn't think so.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 9:40 am
From: Anton Berlin
On Jun 24, 10:44 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
> > So try to be respectful and respond as if you were in the same room as
> > these people and their families.
>
> That's rich, coming from you.
Rich irony dumbass. (possible it doesn't translate across cultures
though)
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 11:02 am
From: Brad Anders
The only points of contention regarding LA that the group seems to be
split on are if there's enough evidence to convict him of an actual
crime, and if he's convicted, whether it will make any difference in
the level of doping in today's pro peloton. Everyone knows LA's a
doper, as was everyone on Postal, all the teams Postal competed
against, and most (if not all) top-level pros today.
Until this confrontation in the restaurant happened, I haven't heard
of any testimony or evidence against LA that I think a jury would
convict him on. However, if the restaurant incident results in
intimidation charges, I suspect LA won't be able to squirm out of it,
and would make any other case the govt. brings a lot tougher for LA.
Stupid move on LA's part.
As for if any conviction will make any difference, the answer has to
be "no". As long as doping products that actually improve performance
are readily available and can be used with little chance of detection,
a significant number of athletes will use them - regardless of the
sport. The fact that a big wheel like LA went down for it won't change
that. It WILL help out Novitsky's career, however, which is why he
went after LA in the first place.
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TOPIC: Spanish court overturns Heras' suspension - the courts are candy-ass
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4ecf39273d1af3d1?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 6:51 am
From: Rick Burger
WTF! Are you serious?! The man was found guilty,and yet 5 years later
is now good to go? So Lance does have a chance to save face. Next,
Oscar Sevilla and Team Kelme will be considered a clean.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/spanish-court-overturns-heras-suspension
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 8:02 am
From: --D-y
On Jun 24, 8:51 am, Rick Burger <rickburge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> WTF! Are you serious?! The man was found guilty,and yet 5 years later
> is now good to go? So Lance does have a chance to save face. Next,
> Oscar Sevilla and Team Kelme will be considered a clean.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/spanish-court-overturns-heras-suspension
Sounds like there was an appeal and a reversal of sorts.
Yes, Lance Armstrong might escape the death penalty. Tough toenails
for the haters.
Sevilla and Kelme were probably just doing like everyone else, or most
everyone else. We'll never know the truth.
Which of your rights do you want to give up when the cops, who knew
you were doing *something* wrong, come for you?
--D-y
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 8:08 am
From: ilan
On Jun 24, 3:51 pm, Rick Burger <rickburge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> WTF! Are you serious?! The man was found guilty,and yet 5 years later
> is now good to go? So Lance does have a chance to save face. Next,
> Oscar Sevilla and Team Kelme will be considered a clean.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/spanish-court-overturns-heras-suspension
Finally, the courts are deciding that the laboratories should be held
accountable to scientific standards. Next, I would hope that they
would overturn Mayo and Valverde.
That also sends a clear signal to the Armstrong investigators, in case
they are considering using the tainted 1999 AFLD samples.
-ilan
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 12:38 pm
From: Victor Kan
On Jun 24, 11:08 am, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> That also sends a clear signal to the Armstrong investigators, in case
> they are considering using the tainted 1999 AFLD samples.
So even in retirement, some of Lance's [ex-]domestiques help him
through difficult terrain?
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TOPIC: Now hear is a guy just trying to perform an important public service
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e78865a83b80ae4d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 7:42 am
From: Choppy Warburton
Hardly seems like it should be against the law.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_nm/us_newmexico_prostitution
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TOPIC: 40 days to take back control of your body
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/43b1a006613d24a2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 8:39 am
From: ilan
http://www.fitnext.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFG7vzywBis
http://livre.fnac.com/a3399250/Erwann-Mentheour-La-methode-fitnext-d-Erwann-Mentheour
-ilan
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 9:42 am
From: Anton Berlin
On Jun 24, 10:39 am, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.fitnext.com/
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFG7vzywBis
>
> http://livre.fnac.com/a3399250/Erwann-Mentheour-La-methode-fitnext-d-...
>
> -ilan
All of these 'be your best' programs look like they would cut into my
sleeping on the couch and doing nothing time.
No thanks. A 40 day commitment is more than I can handle.
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TOPIC: It's just a question of time before the US Govt takes down the greatest
cyclist of all time.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6110e18c5b66e7be?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 9:59 am
From: Vagina Gorilla
If they got this guy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110624/ts_yblog_thelookout/king-of-infomercials-arrested-on-fraud-charges-after-skipping-court
Russ Dalbey must be next
http://www.information-entertainment.com/RussDalbey.html
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TOPIC: RBR injury status ? Kunich ? Jobst ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5f409bd538b30c7a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 10:28 am
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jun 23, 8:19 am, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 6/23/2011 3:00 AM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 6:57 pm, Jimmy July<F...@burger.com> wrote:
> >> On 6/22/2011 4:22 PM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
> >>> On Jun 19, 10:03 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"<Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> "Brad Anders"<pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>>news:ca71086c-e158-4a6f-9432-f96674177ea2@r20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> On Jun 19, 7:28 pm, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Last we know Kunich really did take one to the noggin due to an
> >>>>> exploding fork and Jobst was going in to PT
>
> >>>>> Any updates ?
>
> >>>> =========
> >>>> Maybe MJ has an update on Jobst, I haven't heard much since he went
> >>>> home. Last stuff I saw on Kunich looked pretty bad, he was seriously
> >>>> f'ed up from that crash.
> >>>> =========
>
> >>>> Nothing new from my end; I'll see what I can find out. It's been a
> >>>> couple months since they brought him by the shop on his first trip away
> >>>> from the house.
>
> >>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> >>> I haven't seen either on Usenet in months; I took that as a sign that
> >>> they were both better off than before their crashes.
>
> >> Better dead than on Usenet, eh?
>
> > Dead is probably a wash. But posting to usenet is a lot like competing
> > in the Special Olympics.
>
> All of the posters to rbr are special, Ryan.
Ryan Cousineau Likes This.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 12:07 pm
From: Simply Fred
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> But posting to usenet is a lot like competing
>> in the Special Olympics.
BL wrote:
> All of the posters to rbr are special, Ryan.
Those of us who dope for the special olympics are extra special.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2011 11:03 am
From: Phil H
On Jun 23, 5:23 pm, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jun 23, 3:17 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 6'3" and normally 175lb when doing the pursuit....down to 160lb for
> > the TdF.
>
> That's the way Lance used to do it.
> --D-y
Yep, an increase of 1mph in climbing speed on a steep climb is the
difference between a pace setter and a shelled rider and is probably
just as much a difference between a doper and a clean rider. What's in
your wallet?
Phil H
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