Friday, July 1, 2011

Re: Medarticles Please, I need some articles

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Hi,
here is one paper. 

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 10:42 AM, FJC2007 <francisco.jarac@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends

Please, I need the next papers:

1) "Caste-specific cuticular lipids in the stingless bee Friesella
schrottkyi"
Túlio M. Nunes1,2, E. David Morgan2, Falko P. Drijfhout2 and Ronaldo
Zucchi1
Apidologie
Volume 41, Number 5, September-October 2010, 579 - 588
DOI: 10.1051/apido/2010042

Link: http://www.apidologie.org/index.php?option=com_article&access=doi&doi=10.1051/apido/2010042&Itemid=129

2) "Setosa membrane structure and occurrence of eicosenol in honeybees
(Apis sp.)"
Stephen J. Martina, Junichi Takahashib and Falko P. Drijfhoutc
Apidologie
Volume 38, Number 1, January-February 2007, 104 - 109
DOI: 10.1051/apido:2006057

Link: http://www.apidologie.org/index.php?option=com_article&access=doi&doi=10.1051/apido:2006057&Itemid=129

3) "Host Specific Social Parasites (Psithyrus) Indicate Chemical
Recognition System in Bumblebees"
Stephen J. Martin, Jonathan M. Carruthers, Paul H. Williams and Falko
P. Drijfhout
JOURNAL OF CHEMICAL ECOLOGY
Volume 36, Number 8, 855-863
DOI: 10.1007/s10886-010-9805-3

Link: http://www.springerlink.com/content/t02n412gr731uljp/

4) "Is parasite pressure a driver of chemical cue diversity in ants?"
Stephen J. Martin1,*, Heikki Helanterä2 and Falko P. Drijfhout3
Proc. R. Soc. B
22 February 2011 vol. 278 no. 1705 496-503

Link: http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/278/1705/496

5) "A Mosaic of Chemical Coevolution in a Large Blue Butterfly"
David R. Nash1,*, Thomas D. Als2,†, Roland Maile3,‡, Graeme R. Jones3
and Jacobus J. Boomsma1
Science 4 January 2008:
Vol. 319 no. 5859 pp. 88-90
DOI: 10.1126/science.1149180

Link: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/319/5859/88

6) "Nestmate recognition in the stingless bee Frieseomelitta varia
(Hymenoptera, Apidae, Meliponini): sources of chemical signals"
Túlio M. Nunesa, , , Sidnei Mateusa, Izabel C. Turattib, E. David
Morganc and Ronaldo Zucchia
Animal Behaviour
Volume 81, Issue 2, February 2011, Pages 463-467
doi:10.1016/j.anbehav.2010.11.020

Link: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000334721000463X

7) "Selective preying of the sphecid wasp Trachypus boharti on the
meliponine bee Scaptotrigona postica: potential involvement of caste-
specific cuticular hydrocarbons"
DIRK KOEDAM1, E. DAVID MORGAN2,*, TÚLIO M. NUNES2, EDA FLÁVIA L. R. A.
PATRICIO3, VERA L. IMPERATRIZ- FONSECA3,4
Physiological Entomology
Volume 36, Issue 2, pages 187–193, June 2011
DOI: 10.1111/j.1365-3032.2010.00769.x

Link: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-3032.2010.00769.x/abstract;jsessionid=B690CC0200AE28F328EE8B9306794D05.d02t03

8) "Identification of the alkaloidal venoms of some Monomorium ants of
Saudi Arabia"
Ashraf M.A. Mashalya, 1, Ashraf M. Ahmeda, 1, Mohammed S. Al-Khalifaa,
Túlio M. Nunesb and E. David Morganb
Biochemical Systematics and Ecology
Volume 38, Issue 5, October 2010, Pages 875-879
doi:10.1016/j.bse.2010.09.005

Link: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305197810001602

9) "Azadirachtin, a scientific gold mine"
E. David Morgan
Bioorganic & Medicinal Chemistry
Volume 17, Issue 12, 15 June 2009, Pages 4096-4105
doi:10.1016/j.bmc.2008.11.081

Link: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0968089608011346

10) "Trail pheromones of ants"
E. DAVID MORGAN
Physiological Entomology
Volume 34, Issue 1, pages 1–17, March 2009
DOI: 10.1111/j.1365-3032.2008.00658.x

Link: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-3032.2008.00658.x/abstract

Thank you very much

FJ

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Medarticles Please, I need some articles

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Dear Friends

Please, I need the next papers:

1) "Caste-specific cuticular lipids in the stingless bee Friesella
schrottkyi"
Túlio M. Nunes1,2, E. David Morgan2, Falko P. Drijfhout2 and Ronaldo
Zucchi1
Apidologie
Volume 41, Number 5, September-October 2010, 579 - 588
DOI: 10.1051/apido/2010042

Link: http://www.apidologie.org/index.php?option=com_article&access=doi&doi=10.1051/apido/2010042&Itemid=129

2) "Setosa membrane structure and occurrence of eicosenol in honeybees
(Apis sp.)"
Stephen J. Martina, Junichi Takahashib and Falko P. Drijfhoutc
Apidologie
Volume 38, Number 1, January-February 2007, 104 - 109
DOI: 10.1051/apido:2006057

Link: http://www.apidologie.org/index.php?option=com_article&access=doi&doi=10.1051/apido:2006057&Itemid=129

3) "Host Specific Social Parasites (Psithyrus) Indicate Chemical
Recognition System in Bumblebees"
Stephen J. Martin, Jonathan M. Carruthers, Paul H. Williams and Falko
P. Drijfhout
JOURNAL OF CHEMICAL ECOLOGY
Volume 36, Number 8, 855-863
DOI: 10.1007/s10886-010-9805-3

Link: http://www.springerlink.com/content/t02n412gr731uljp/

4) "Is parasite pressure a driver of chemical cue diversity in ants?"
Stephen J. Martin1,*, Heikki Helanterä2 and Falko P. Drijfhout3
Proc. R. Soc. B
22 February 2011 vol. 278 no. 1705 496-503

Link: http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/278/1705/496

5) "A Mosaic of Chemical Coevolution in a Large Blue Butterfly"
David R. Nash1,*, Thomas D. Als2,†, Roland Maile3,‡, Graeme R. Jones3
and Jacobus J. Boomsma1
Science 4 January 2008:
Vol. 319 no. 5859 pp. 88-90
DOI: 10.1126/science.1149180

Link: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/319/5859/88

6) "Nestmate recognition in the stingless bee Frieseomelitta varia
(Hymenoptera, Apidae, Meliponini): sources of chemical signals"
Túlio M. Nunesa, , , Sidnei Mateusa, Izabel C. Turattib, E. David
Morganc and Ronaldo Zucchia
Animal Behaviour
Volume 81, Issue 2, February 2011, Pages 463-467
doi:10.1016/j.anbehav.2010.11.020

Link: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000334721000463X

7) "Selective preying of the sphecid wasp Trachypus boharti on the
meliponine bee Scaptotrigona postica: potential involvement of caste-
specific cuticular hydrocarbons"
DIRK KOEDAM1, E. DAVID MORGAN2,*, TÚLIO M. NUNES2, EDA FLÁVIA L. R. A.
PATRICIO3, VERA L. IMPERATRIZ- FONSECA3,4
Physiological Entomology
Volume 36, Issue 2, pages 187–193, June 2011
DOI: 10.1111/j.1365-3032.2010.00769.x

Link: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-3032.2010.00769.x/abstract;jsessionid=B690CC0200AE28F328EE8B9306794D05.d02t03

8) "Identification of the alkaloidal venoms of some Monomorium ants of
Saudi Arabia"
Ashraf M.A. Mashalya, 1, Ashraf M. Ahmeda, 1, Mohammed S. Al-Khalifaa,
Túlio M. Nunesb and E. David Morganb
Biochemical Systematics and Ecology
Volume 38, Issue 5, October 2010, Pages 875-879
doi:10.1016/j.bse.2010.09.005

Link: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305197810001602

9) "Azadirachtin, a scientific gold mine"
E. David Morgan
Bioorganic & Medicinal Chemistry
Volume 17, Issue 12, 15 June 2009, Pages 4096-4105
doi:10.1016/j.bmc.2008.11.081

Link: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0968089608011346

10) "Trail pheromones of ants"
E. DAVID MORGAN
Physiological Entomology
Volume 34, Issue 1, pages 1–17, March 2009
DOI: 10.1111/j.1365-3032.2008.00658.x

Link: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-3032.2008.00658.x/abstract

Thank you very much

FJ

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Medarticles Please Help me with this articles

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Please mod, help me. i really needs fulltext articles for this (its
about lupus nephritis) :

1.Review: Lupus nephritis: pathologic features, epidemiology and a
guide to therapeutic decisions
Lupus April 2010 19: 557-574, first published on January 20, 2010
http://lup.sagepub.com/content/19/5/557.full.pdf+html

2.Systemic Lupus Erythematosus: A Therapeutic Update
Journal of Pharmacy Practice February 2009 22: 29-52, first published
on September 9, 2008
http://jpp.sagepub.com/content/22/1/29.full.pdf+html

3.Review: New treatment strategies for proliferative lupus nephritis:
keep children in mind!
Lupus August 2007 16: 684-691,
http://lup.sagepub.com/content/16/8/684.full.pdf+html

4.High dose methylprednisolone therapy for the treatment of severe
systemic lupus erythematosus
Lupus June 2007 16: 387-393,
http://lup.sagepub.com/content/16/6/387.full.pdf+html

5. Current management of lupus nephritis: popular misconceptions
Lupus March 2007 16: 217-220
http://lup.sagepub.com/content/16/3/217.full.pdf+html

6. Prognostic factors in lupus nephritis
Lupus January 2005 14: 39-44,
http://lup.sagepub.com/content/14/1/39.full.pdf+html

Thanks a lot for your help!!

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:14020 National Law school to come up in Guwahati

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National Law school to come up in Guwahati
http://www.igovernment.in:81/site/national-law-school-come-guwahati

It will be first such institute for integrated five years law degree
course in the northeast and will formally be operational in September
this year
Submitted on 07/01/2011
By Amritanshu/ Sumeer
Guwahati: The Northeast will soon have a National Law school and
Judicial Academy in Guwahati. The institution is coming up near
Guwahati and will start functioning from September.

The National Law School & Judicial Academy, Assam has been established
under the National Law School & Judicial Academy, Assam Act, 2009.

The academic session would commence with the five-year BALLB course
from September 1 next. The first year classes will be held for the
time being at the North East Judicial Officers'Training Institute
situated at Ulubari in Guwahati till the infrastructure of the academy
comes up.

Already 800 applications have been received from the aspiring students
and the initial intake in the first year will be limited to 60
students. Out of total initial intake, 25 per cent seats will be
reserved for the students of Assam.

Assam government has allotted 21 acres for the permanent campus of the
academy at Amingaon in North Guwahati. The process for acquisition of
additional 78 acres of land is being initiated. The total project cost
would be to the tune of Rs 300 crore.

The state government will borne the additional funds for building the
necessary infrastructure and for running expenses.

The Director General of the academy Gurjeet Singh has already assumed
office on May 27 last. The Chief Justice of Guwahati High Court is the
President of the Governing Council of the academy.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:14019 India to unveil new disability law soon

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India to unveil new disability law soon
http://www.igovernment.in:81/site/india-unveil-new-disability-law-soon

Final draft of the Rights of Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011has
been submitted by the committee to the Social Justice and Empowerment
Ministry
Submitted on 07/01/2011

New Delhi: The final draft of a new disability law has been submitted
to Social Justice and Empowerment Minister Mukul Wasnik.

According to a statement, the committee appointed by the Ministry to
draft the new legislation presented the final draft of the Rights of
Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 to the minister, reports IANS.

"The Persons with Disabilities Act, 1995 was proposed to be replaced
by a new legislation in the light of the experience gained in the
implementation of the Act, developments that have taken place in the
disability sector over the years, and also the commitments under the
UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (UNCRPD),"
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A committee under Sudha Kaul, Vice Chairperson of the Indian Institute
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rec.bicycles.racing - 24 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Doping is Killing the Sport! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/364451b639fe888d?hl=en
* Will Och Punish Georgio? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bef5f8c6927f0180?hl=en
* The Real Lance Effect - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/89868c71f58eec39?hl=en
* Quickstep Bus Stopped - 9 messages, 9 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6c70281e58c0a183?hl=en
* TdF starts Saturday - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8b9da5489d98ed56?hl=en
* BMC Going the Way of Willy V. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4d940b3a7f6287ba?hl=en
* rbr memes infecting the real world - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/30289bbdacc159ff?hl=en
* Doing the TdF on a vegan diet - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0acff4204585f4d2?hl=en
* Could be the most boring tour ever - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5ec5a3f1a207bbdd?hl=en
* New Lance Commercial is Gay - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8425bcd42f455174?hl=en
* Anything interesting happen since last July? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/36829545011a539d?hl=en

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TOPIC: Doping is Killing the Sport!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/364451b639fe888d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 11:23 am
From: Fred Flintstein


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-to-visit-the-tour-de-france

Sponsors won't touch Lance with a ten foot pole. No one will go
near him.

F

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Will Och Punish Georgio?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bef5f8c6927f0180?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:22 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<ac1e032a-8bf2-4082-a9a4-d055833e519b@n5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 28, 7:14 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > On 6/28/2011 11:22 AM, MagillaGorilla wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Will Ochowicz punish Hincapie (by leaving him off the Tour team?)
> > > because he testified before the grand jury that Lance is a doper and a
> > > complete fraud which will likely be the linchpin testimony that sends
> > > Lance to the bighouse?  I think Och will...Och retaliated against former
> > > USA Cycling CEO Gerard Bisceglia and got him fired with the help of
> > > Weisel soldier Steve Johnson.
> >
> > > You know Och is gonna punish Hincapie in some major way...Lance already
> > > had a sit down and put the hit out for it.  And Och, being the Made Man
> > > he is in the Lance Family will be obligated to carry out the boss'
> > > orders or risk losing his Capo status.
> >
> > > La Cosa Nostra,
> >
> > > Magilla
> >
> > Dumbass,
> >
> > I recommend asking google before posting.
> >
> > http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/06/news/bmc-announces-squad-for-2...
> >
> > F
>
> Dumbasses,
>
> Och can't leave Hincapie off the Tour team. As you know,
> Novitsky's investigation is aimed at bringing down Weisel
> and Ochowicz (Lance is just a sideshow). If Och takes action
> against Georgie, that would be retaliation and witness tampering,
> and the FBI takes that very seriously.

Whoa. This stuff is complicated. I'm beginning to
appreciate Lafferty's analysis.

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: The Real Lance Effect
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/89868c71f58eec39?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:34 pm
From: Phil H


On Jun 29, 1:00 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > "MagillaGorilla" <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:4E0AAE4F.8A4D55F8@sandiegozoo.com...
> > > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> > >> "MagillaGorilla" <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:4E09F02B.4D53030A@sandiegozoo.com...
> > >> > Lance Again
> > >> > By Ray Keener
> > >> > June 7, 2011
>
> > >> > Lance's impact on the bike industry is as controversial as his
> > >> > alleged
> > >> > drug use. With all the recent chatter and analysis, let's correct
> > >> > some
> > >> > of the revisionist history being spun.
>
> > >> > I read recently another Lance defender talking about the huge
> > >> > positive
> > >> > impact Lance's Tour successes have had on the industry.
>
> > >> > The facts are simple: Between 1999 and 2009, call it The Lance
> > >> > Decade,
> > >> > unit sales, dollar sales and participation in the U.S. bicycle
> > >> > market
> > >> > all declined.
>
> > >> > Unit sales: Sales of adult bicycles declined from 11.6 million
> > >> > units
> > >> > in
> > >> > 1999 to 10.2 million in 2009.
>
> > >> > Participation: Declined from 42.4 million to 39.3 million in the
> > >> > same
> > >> > period.
>
> > >> > Overall industry sales, much harder to track, are generally agreed
> > >> > to
> > >> > be
> > >> > flat, which means down when adjusted for inflation.
>
> > >> > reference:http://www.bicycleretailer.com/post-296/lance-again
>
> > >> Below is my response, posted on Ray's blog as well as our website
> > >> (where
> > >> you can follow a couple of links to data)
> > >>http://chainreactionblogs.com/sport/?p=166-
>
> > >> Ray: You're a reasonable guy and I generally agree with most things
> > >> you
> > >> write. But in this case it  appears that you decided first that Lance
> > >> was bad (or at best neutral) for the industry and then searched for
> > >> facts to support that belief.
>
> > >> For example the choice of using 2009 for *any* forward-looking
> > >> comparison is suspect. 2009 was a disaster for our industry but not
> > >> because of Lance or doping scandals. It was a disaster for the world
> > >> economy. Maybe Boulder got by unscathed but Silicon Valley sure
> > >> didn't.
> > >> And if instead of 2009 you use either 2008 or 2010 you get a very
> > >> different story. How different? About 20% different!
>
> > >> Participation figures are more discouraging, showing a downward trend
> > >> in
> > >> raw numbers of "participants" but these figures as well are suspect
> > >> at
> > >> least as far as our part of the industry is concerned. The majority
> > >> of
> > >> "participants" are not cyclists; anyone who has simply ridden around
> > >> the
> > >> block is considered a "participant." If we were to measure miles
> > >> ridden
> > >> and participation in Centuries Gran Fondos and the various benenfit
> > >> rides would the story be the same? I don't think so.
>
> > >> Further you ignore the wane & wan of the typical product cycle and
> > >> its
> > >> impact on your numbers. The mountain bike had peaked and was on a
> > >> decline and I don't think many feel Lance had much to do with the
> > >> fortunes & misfortunes of that part of the market. For what it's
> > >> worth
> > >> my take on Lance's value and sales in our stores are that it was
> > >> significant for the first three years and after that was a benefit
> > >> spread pretty wide among road bikes in general rather than
> > >> specifically
> > >> Trek.
>
> > >> There comes a point of saturation; the message to "Buy a Trek because
> > >> that's what Lance rides" is susceptible to so many people and then
> > >> they've bought their bikes and you get a backlash effect of
> > >> "everyone's
> > >> got a Trek I want something different." Other brands found ways to
> > >> capitalize on this including different value propositions (lower
> > >> pricing
> > >> for a given set of components and tell people "Our bike is just as
> > >> good
> > >> maybe better and costs less because you're not paying for Lance!").
> > >> We
> > >> felt both of those so please before anyone assumes that a non-Trek
> > >> dealer couldn't survive because they didn't have Lance think again.
> > >> The
> > >> manufacturers and IBDs are smarter than that.
>
> > >> But it's obvious that Trek has received great benefit from their
> > >> association with Lance and it's equally obvious that Trek is aware
> > >> that
> > >> Lance is not enough. Trek has put much of their profit back into
> > >> advocacy and works entirely unrelated to Lance that should have a
> > >> greater effect long-term on getting those "once around the block"
> > >> folk
> > >> to view their bike as a serious utilitarian vehicle.
> > >> To sum up Trek did not mortgage their future through supporting Lance
> > >> and it's entirely possible that without Lance during the 2000-2005
> > >> period (industry-wide) sales could have been substantially lower than
> > >> they were.
>
> > >> Thanks Mike Jacoubowsky Partner Chain Reaction Bicycles (Redwood City
> > >> &
> > >> Los Altos California... not the mail-order place in the UK)
>
> > >> --Mike--     Chain Reaction Bicycles
> > >>www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> > > So if you use 2008, which was a good year, then the numbers show the
> > > opposite, huh?   Okay, so riddle me this Joker. Lance was retired in
> > > 2008
> > > and 2007, yet sales went up.  How can that be due to the so-called
> > > Lance
> > > Effect?
>
> > So you're trying to make my point? That the "Lance effect" was/is
> > over-stated?
>
> > > Second, if sales go up in 2011 and 2012 and Lance is retired, then
> > > explain
> > > that in the context that Lance was retired and his effect is
> > > essentially
> > > ZERO, if not negative due to his pending doping case.
>
> > > Finally, when Lance goes to prison, and bike sales go up, will you
> > > attribute that to the Lance Effect too?
>
> > When that happens, I think I'll let BL explain it to us. I don't think
> > we're smart enough to understand.
>
> > > My point is there is no Lance Effect.  Maybe for Trek there was, but
> > > outside of that, fuggettuhbouttit.
>
> > On that I disagree. I think the bike biz was heading into a downward
> > spiral, and the resurgence of the road bike was what kept a good chunk
> > of the industry afloat. The constant coverage of anything-Lance in
> > Sports Illustrated and elsewhere got cycling a lot of exposure and made
> > road bikes sexy. Companies like Giant, Specialized & Bianchi all likely
> > saw their road bike sales surge in popularity. Trek definitely saw
> > bigger increases, but it was road bikes in general that derived the most
> > benefit, regardless of who made them (with some exception at the high
> > end, where the desire to ride the exact same frame as Lance definitely
> > helped certain models).
>
> > > Magilla
>
> > > P.S.  Do you think Trek liked the title of Lance's most successful
> > > book:
> > > "It's Not About the Bike"
>
> > Publicly, Trek never took issue with the title of that book, and
> > privately, I could never get anyone to say anything beyond "That's just
> > Lance." Me? I thought it was childish, arrogant, and terribly
> > inconsiderate of one of the three companies that helped Lance get back
> > on the bike. But I was told, more than once, that I was trying to make
> > something big out of nothing. Whatever was said behind closed doors I
> > was not privvy to. My access is primarily with engineers and product
> > people, not those who cut sponsorship deals.
>
> > --Mike--     Chain Reaction Bicycles
> >www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> Behind the scenes, Trek was fuming at that book title, but they are just as
> much of a pussy as everyone else when it comes to confronting Big Tex.
> Same with Nike and Radio Shack who are now re-assessing their relationship
> with Lance, despite their adamant public denials.  When Lance is in federal
> prison and USADA has to conduct its doping case against him through a
> telephone conference from behind prison walls, and Aspen Bully loses
> several of his Tour wins, then you might stand the chance of getting a
> semi-truthful quote from one those sponsor sycophant hangers-on.
>
> Just think of the new marketing angles....
>
> "Club Fed" glasses by Oakley
> "Steel Bars" model by Trek made out of NOS Reynolds 753
> "Bighouse Lycra" by Nike (available in county lock-up zebra stripes or
> casual solid federal penitentiary "Lance" classic color)
>
> BL may very well end up being the resident Messiah of rbr and he will get
> his own plaque and shit.
>
> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

BL the Messiah, ain't never going to happen, the lawyer logic and
obsessive personality disqualify him. Even if Lance goes down, it
won't be for anything BL has trotted out. That has been nothing more
than bitch slaps.

Phil H


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:38 pm
From: Phil H


On Jun 28, 9:47 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > "MagillaGorilla" <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:4E09F02B.4D53030A@sandiegozoo.com...
> > > Lance Again
> > > By Ray Keener
> > > June 7, 2011
>
> > > Lance's impact on the bike industry is as controversial as his alleged
> > > drug use. With all the recent chatter and analysis, let's correct some
> > > of the revisionist history being spun.
>
> > > I read recently another Lance defender talking about the huge positive
> > > impact Lance's Tour successes have had on the industry.
>
> > > The facts are simple: Between 1999 and 2009, call it The Lance Decade,
> > > unit sales, dollar sales and participation in the U.S. bicycle market
> > > all declined.
>
> > > Unit sales: Sales of adult bicycles declined from 11.6 million units
> > > in
> > > 1999 to 10.2 million in 2009.
>
> > > Participation: Declined from 42.4 million to 39.3 million in the same
> > > period.
>
> > > Overall industry sales, much harder to track, are generally agreed to
> > > be
> > > flat, which means down when adjusted for inflation.
>
> > > reference:http://www.bicycleretailer.com/post-296/lance-again
>
> > Below is my response, posted on Ray's blog as well as our website (where
> > you can follow a couple of links to data)
> >http://chainreactionblogs.com/sport/?p=166-
>
> > Ray: You're a reasonable guy and I generally agree with most things you
> > write. But in this case it  appears that you decided first that Lance
> > was bad (or at best neutral) for the industry and then searched for
> > facts to support that belief.
>
> > For example the choice of using 2009 for *any* forward-looking
> > comparison is suspect. 2009 was a disaster for our industry but not
> > because of Lance or doping scandals. It was a disaster for the world
> > economy. Maybe Boulder got by unscathed but Silicon Valley sure didn't.
> > And if instead of 2009 you use either 2008 or 2010 you get a very
> > different story. How different? About 20% different!
>
> > Participation figures are more discouraging, showing a downward trend in
> > raw numbers of "participants" but these figures as well are suspect at
> > least as far as our part of the industry is concerned. The majority of
> > "participants" are not cyclists; anyone who has simply ridden around the
> > block is considered a "participant." If we were to measure miles ridden
> > and participation in Centuries Gran Fondos and the various benenfit
> > rides would the story be the same? I don't think so.
>
> > Further you ignore the wane & wan of the typical product cycle and its
> > impact on your numbers. The mountain bike had peaked and was on a
> > decline and I don't think many feel Lance had much to do with the
> > fortunes & misfortunes of that part of the market. For what it's worth
> > my take on Lance's value and sales in our stores are that it was
> > significant for the first three years and after that was a benefit
> > spread pretty wide among road bikes in general rather than specifically
> > Trek.
>
> > There comes a point of saturation; the message to "Buy a Trek because
> > that's what Lance rides" is susceptible to so many people and then
> > they've bought their bikes and you get a backlash effect of "everyone's
> > got a Trek I want something different." Other brands found ways to
> > capitalize on this including different value propositions (lower pricing
> > for a given set of components and tell people "Our bike is just as good
> > maybe better and costs less because you're not paying for Lance!"). We
> > felt both of those so please before anyone assumes that a non-Trek
> > dealer couldn't survive because they didn't have Lance think again. The
> > manufacturers and IBDs are smarter than that.
>
> > But it's obvious that Trek has received great benefit from their
> > association with Lance and it's equally obvious that Trek is aware that
> > Lance is not enough. Trek has put much of their profit back into
> > advocacy and works entirely unrelated to Lance that should have a
> > greater effect long-term on getting those "once around the block" folk
> > to view their bike as a serious utilitarian vehicle.
> > To sum up Trek did not mortgage their future through supporting Lance
> > and it's entirely possible that without Lance during the 2000-2005
> > period (industry-wide) sales could have been substantially lower than
> > they were.
>
> > Thanks Mike Jacoubowsky Partner Chain Reaction Bicycles (Redwood City &
> > Los Altos California... not the mail-order place in the UK)
>
> > --Mike--     Chain Reaction Bicycles
> >www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> So if you use 2008, which was a good year, then the numbers show the
> opposite, huh?   Okay, so riddle me this Joker. Lance was retired in 2008
> and 2007, yet sales went up.  How can that be due to the so-called Lance
> Effect?
>
> Second, if sales go up in 2011 and 2012 and Lance is retired, then explain
> that in the context that Lance was retired and his effect is essentially
> ZERO, if not negative due to his pending doping case.
>
> Finally, when Lance goes to prison, and bike sales go up, will you
> attribute that to the Lance Effect too?
>
> My point is there is no Lance Effect.  Maybe for Trek there was, but
> outside of that, fuggettuhbouttit.
>
> Magilla
>
> P.S.  Do you think Trek liked the title of Lance's most successful book:
> "It's Not About the Bike"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


"It's Not About the Bike"

A little incongruous with "the shit that'll kill them" don't you
think? It's only a book title after all.

Phil H


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 2:03 pm
From: Mark


On Jun 30, 1:59 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Oakley. ...listening to how the CEO and
> the rest of the executive staff of Doper Lover Boys plan to handle the
> pending indictment of their boy.
>
> Magilla

"Yeah, I'm an Oakley athlete for life."

"Whether they like it or not."

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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:38 pm
From: "William R. Mattil"


On 7/1/2011 12:33 PM, BL wrote:
> and taken into police custody to be searched.
> http://www.ouest-france.fr/ofdernmin_-Tour-de-France.-Le-bus-de-la-Quick-Step-saisi-a-Challans_6346-1857131-fils-tous_filDMA.Htm
>


What a retard ..............


"Updated: Nothing found in search, bus to be released"


Since I really doubt that you'd mention this since you are too busy
running around crying "WOLF!" and calling the rest of us fanboys.


Maybe you should take up a hobby ? I hear Chess is interesting.


Bill

--

William R. Mattil

http://www.celestial-images.com


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:45 pm
From: BL


On 7/1/2011 3:38 PM, William R. Mattil wrote:
> On 7/1/2011 12:33 PM, BL wrote:
>> and taken into police custody to be searched.
>> http://www.ouest-france.fr/ofdernmin_-Tour-de-France.-Le-bus-de-la-Quick-Step-saisi-a-Challans_6346-1857131-fils-tous_filDMA.Htm
>>
>>
>
>
> What a retard ..............
>
>
> "Updated: Nothing found in search, bus to be released"
>
>
> Since I really doubt that you'd mention this since you are too busy
> running around crying "WOLF!" and calling the rest of us fanboys.
>
>
> Maybe you should take up a hobby ? I hear Chess is interesting.
>
>
> Bill
>
Wrong yet again, FuckTard. I posted that hours ago when that was the
latest. Note also, that I made no comment or speculation as to what
might have been found or why that team's bus was searched. Once again
in your desire to vent in my direction you merely make yourself look
like the moronic FuckTard that you are. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!


== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 1:22 pm
From: Simply Fred


BL wrote:
>> and taken into police custody to be searched.
>> http://www.ouest-france.fr/ofdernmin_-Tour-de-France.-Le-bus-de-la-Quick-Step-saisi-a-Challans_6346-1857131-fils-tous_filDMA.Htm

William R. Mattil wrote:
> "Updated: Nothing found in search, bus to be released"

What, not even a hot teenage chick in a bikini ?


== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:35 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 7/1/2011 12:45 PM, BL wrote:
> On 7/1/2011 3:38 PM, William R. Mattil wrote:

>> Since I really doubt that you'd mention this since you are too busy
>> running around crying "WOLF!" and calling the rest of us fanboys.

> Wrong yet again, FuckTard.

Actually, you might want to consider what he says about crying "WOLF"
all the time.


== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:40 pm
From: atriage


On 01/07/2011 21:22, Simply Fred wrote:
> BL wrote:
>>> and taken into police custody to be searched.
>>> http://www.ouest-france.fr/ofdernmin_-Tour-de-France.-Le-bus-de-la-Quick-Step-saisi-a-Challans_6346-1857131-fils-tous_filDMA.Htm
>>>
>
> William R. Mattil wrote:
>> "Updated: Nothing found in search, bus to be released"
>
> What, not even a hot teenage chick in a bikini ?

Team buses are so boring these days. :)


== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:40 pm
From: ilan


On Jul 1, 7:33 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> and taken into police custody to be searched.http://www.ouest-france.fr/ofdernmin_-Tour-de-France.-Le-bus-de-la-Qu...

Do you still believe that DSK is guilty?

-ilan


== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 4:01 pm
From: Ben Trovato


On Jul 1, 3:40 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Do you still believe that DSK is guilty?
>

You don't get to his position on mineral water.


== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:45 pm
From: Scott


On Jul 1, 4:40 pm, atriage <atri...@notvalid.net> wrote:
> On 01/07/2011 21:22, Simply Fred wrote:
>
> > BL wrote:
> >>> and taken into police custody to be searched.
> >>>http://www.ouest-france.fr/ofdernmin_-Tour-de-France.-Le-bus-de-la-Qu...
>
> > William R. Mattil wrote:
> >> "Updated: Nothing found in search, bus to be released"
>
> > What, not even a hot teenage chick in a bikini ?
>
> Team buses are so boring these days. :)

Team buses are a red herring.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 4:35 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


On Jul 1, 3:45 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:

> ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

Unless you have video proof of yourself doing that, I don't believe
it.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 1:31 pm
From: Simply Fred


Fred Flintstein
> <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net> wrote:
>> Leipheimer, L 65.0
>> Nibali, V 65.0

Victor Kan wrote:
> I wonder how Levi feels about about being given the same odds of
> winning as a guy who's not even entered in the race.

It could be worse. They could have listed Wouter Weylands and Andrei
Kivilev above him.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 2:29 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


On Jun 30, 6:50 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> You need to read some other sources.

yeah, like that Mormon fraud-biter expert. That dude does all his own
original research, and I'm sure a Mormon would never make shit up.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 2:33 pm
From: BL


On 7/1/2011 5:29 PM, derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 30, 6:50 pm, BL<b...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> You need to read some other sources.
>
> yeah, like that Mormon fraud-biter expert. That dude does all his own
> original research, and I'm sure a Mormon would never make shit up.
>
Feeling insecure as always, I see. I feel your pain.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:29 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jul 1, 11:25 am, "T. Miller" <thiswayt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 4:44 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm sitting in an airport across from a guy wearing a t-shirt
> > that says:
>
> >     "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
> >                             -- Ben Franklin
>
> In wine there is wisdom,
> In beer there is freedom,
> In water there is bacteria.
>

Dumbass,

If Benjamin Franklin had said that, he would have
said "In water there are bacteria."

Thanks,
Fredmaster Ben

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:38 pm
From: ilan


On Jul 1, 11:04 am, "T. Miller" <thiswayt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good for Dave if he can pull it off but I would think eating that much
> fiber and ruffage would cause you to spend your day worrying about
> shitting your pants
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230431440457641412418487...

Robert Millar.

-ilan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:40 pm
From: ilan


On Jul 1, 1:58 am, Phil <prh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now that its been cleaned up, no one doing any thing at all right? All
> of the riders are as clean a a 14 year old going to sunday school.
> Probably we will see one of the slowest TDF's ever with half of the
> peloton droping out. I mean whoi the heck wants to kill them selves
> for 2000 miles without some kind of assistance? This will probably
> look more like a charity ride than a race. Ya gotta admit it was
> pretty nifty when the Lance Man looked back over his shouloder and
> gave Jan "THE LOOK" then took off UP the mountain to win the stage and
> basically the whole damn race. intimidating as hell. Or when Lemond
> cam from waaaaaaay back to beat Fignon by a few seconds.....Landis
> making up all that time, leading everyone out for sooo many miles when
> he had not come close to doing any thing like that before!  Talk about
> excitement! Glued to the TUBE!. What are we gonna get now? A bunch of
> wanna be racers riding thru the pretty countyside of France, huffing
> and puffing their way thru the Alps.  chuckle!

Who now can compare to Pereiro?

-ilan

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 4:34 pm
From: Zenon


On Jun 30, 10:45 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > "MagillaGorilla" <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:4E0BFD58.2D417ADA@sandiegozoo.com...
> > > Fred Fredburger wrote:
>
> > >> On 6/29/2011 8:23 PM, MagillaGorilla wrote:
> > >> > Michelob Light....Doper Boy is riding a mountain bike and then he's
> > >> > golfing...it's so fucking queer I just want to beat you people with
> > >> > a
> > >> > pipe and then paint Levi's bald head like an Easter egg.
>
> > >> > Thanks,
>
> > >> > Magilla
>
> > >> "Doper Boy" is the least specific description a professional cyclist
> > >> ever. You could save us all a bunch of confusion if all your posts
> > >> read
> > >> like:
>
> > >> Stuff ... and things.
>
> > > There's only one Doper Boy who has an endorsement deal with Michelob.
>
> > > Magilla
>
> > So Lance does Michelob LIght commercials and gets paid a lot of money.
> > You post here and get???
>
> > And we're saying Lance is the dope?
>
> > --Mike--     Chain Reaction Bicycles
> >www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> Michelob likely has a morals clause in their endorsement contract with
> Doper Boy� and he will have violated that clause when he gets arrested for
> a felony.  Ba-ba Michelob money, Doper Boy.
>
> How do you like them fucking apples, Matt Damon?
>
> If I were to rape a chimp, I would likewise lose my endorsement deal with
> Samsonite.
>
> Magilla
>
> P.S. Lance is also going to end up forking over $15 million for his defense
> attorneys and PR mouth HOLE Fabio..  I'm not sure if that cost will include
> appellate lawyers and post conviction relief appeals though.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

.
.
.
No worries. Lance "I CURED CANCER" Armstrong is selling his little
Texas love shack (i.e., the stabin' cabin) where he was bangin' all
those girls that looked like his mother and that'll put a dent in his
attorney bill. Get this, the stabin' cabin is in a place called
Deadman's Hole. Too funny! When Lancie is repeatedly gang raped in
prison that's how they'll refer to his ass - Deadman's Hole.
.
.
http://www.zillow.com/blog/2009-06-15/lance-armstrong-drops-price-on-texas-estate/
http://raisingtheroof.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/bike-champ-lance-armstrong-selling-deadmans-hole/
.
.
.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 5:04 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 30, 10:45 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> P.S. Lance is also going to end up forking over $15 million for his defense
> attorneys and PR mouth HOLE Fabio..  I'm not sure if that cost will include
> appellate lawyers and post conviction relief appeals though

Yeah, but that's where you miss the point - that $15M or whatever it
ends up being will be enough to keep LA out of jail and able to still
say he never doped. He won't get convicted. Did he dope? Of course.
Did Postal use sponsor money for dope? Most likely. Did LA lie to
prosecutors, the FBI, and all those women he banged who looked like
his mom? Absolutely. Are there witnesses to support the case against
LA? You could fill a stadium.

However, like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, nearly everyone with that much
money and power who is accused of a crime has enough money to get off.
OJ did and they had him BY THE BALLS (and he had two). LA will skate,
too. Why you, Laff, and Anton don't see this is hard to understand.
Perhaps you guys actually believe all that stuff you learned in civics
class.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 5:18 pm
From: ilan


On Jul 2, 2:04 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 10:45 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > P.S. Lance is also going to end up forking over $15 million for his defense
> > attorneys and PR mouth HOLE Fabio..  I'm not sure if that cost will include
> > appellate lawyers and post conviction relief appeals though
>
> Yeah, but that's where you miss the point - that $15M or whatever it
> ends up being will be enough to keep LA out of jail and able to still
> say he never doped. He won't get convicted. Did he dope? Of course.
> Did Postal use sponsor money for dope? Most likely. Did LA lie to
> prosecutors, the FBI, and all those women he banged who looked like
> his mom? Absolutely. Are there witnesses to support the case against
> LA? You could fill a stadium.
>
> However, like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, nearly everyone with that much
> money and power who is accused of a crime has enough money to get off.
> OJ did and they had him BY THE BALLS (and he had two). LA will skate,
> too. Why you, Laff, and Anton don't see this is hard to understand.
> Perhaps you guys actually believe all that stuff you learned in civics
> class.

I sort of agree with you, except that your last sentence misses the
point: the reason those guys are acquitted and probably will have
their charges dropped, is a basic civics lesson which should be taught
in every class, the American criminal justice system is designed to
help the defendant.

The OJ case changed the way prosecutors handle their cases, instead of
long-winded presentations, they keep it short and understandable, I
saw it for myself at the Peterson trial. The DSK case should also
change how prosecutors handle foreign dignitaries with very busy
schedules by not rushing with the severest possible charges.
Hopefully, the Armstrong case will also have repercussions, namely,
not to waste time trying to nail someone who at the worst, cheated at
a meaningless game.

-ilan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 4:53 pm
From: ilan

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TOPIC: The Real Lance Effect
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/89868c71f58eec39?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 30 2011 5:07 pm
From: Phil


On Jun 28, 10:15 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Lance Again
> By Ray Keener
> June 7, 2011
>  
> Lance's impact on the bike industry is as controversial as his alleged
> drug use. With all the recent chatter and analysis, let's correct some
> of the revisionist history being spun.
>
> I read recently another Lance defender talking about the huge positive
> impact Lance's Tour successes have had on the industry.
>
> The facts are simple: Between 1999 and 2009, call it The Lance Decade,
> unit sales, dollar sales and participation in the U.S. bicycle market
> all declined.
>
> Unit sales: Sales of adult bicycles declined from 11.6 million units in
> 1999 to 10.2 million in 2009.
>
> Participation: Declined from 42.4 million to 39.3 million in the same
> period.
>
> Overall industry sales, much harder to track, are generally agreed to be
> flat, which means down when adjusted for inflation.
>
> reference:http://www.bicycleretailer.com/post-296/lance-again

To say that Lance Did NOT have any positive affect on Cycling is sort
of like saying Babe Ruth Did Not have any affect on baseball


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 30 2011 6:14 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Jun 28, 5:06 pm, Ronko <ronkreu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <4E09F02B.4D530...@sandiegozoo.com>,
> magi...@sandiegozoo.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Lance Again
> >By Ray Keener
> >June 7, 2011
> > 
> >Lance's impact on the bike industry is as controversial as his alleged
> >drug use. With all the recent chatter and analysis, let's correct some
> >of the revisionist history being spun.
>
> >I read recently another Lance defender talking about the huge
> positive
> >impact Lance's Tour successes have had on the industry.
>
> >The facts are simple: Between 1999 and 2009, call it The Lance
> Decade,
> >unit sales, dollar sales and participation in the U.S. bicycle market
> >all declined.
>
> >Unit sales: Sales of adult bicycles declined from 11.6 million units in
> >1999 to 10.2 million in 2009.
>
> >Participation: Declined from 42.4 million to 39.3 million in the same
> >period.
>
> >Overall industry sales, much harder to track, are generally agreed to
> be
> >flat, which means down when adjusted for inflation.
>
> >reference:http://www.bicycleretailer.com/post-296/lance-again
>
> Bike shops around Oakland, CA are showing slower sales and laying off
> people over the last year or two. That is a result of the overall
> economy. If you think October 2008 was an anomoly, be advised none
> of the fundamental financial and economic issues have been resolved.
> Bicycle slaes, and many other retail items, have declined because of
> the macro-economic climate. Companies are profitable because they're
> sucking more work out of less employees.
>
> Overall I think Lance brought bicycles more into the public
> consciousness, a good thing. He certainly did a lot of Trek and his own
> financial well-being.

A buddy of mine has had a modest sized (2500 sq ft) shop for 20 years
in a region of the country with year round riding weather. He had a
record year last year and the first four months of this year have been
his best ever for each of those months.

He did say that the middle of the market has bottomed out; virtually
all of his sales are either high end or basic bikes.


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 30 2011 9:16 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
news:4E0CB975.E2CB6119@sandiegozoo.com...
>
>
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
>> > Behind the scenes, Trek was fuming at that book title, but they are
>> > just as
>> > much of a pussy as everyone else when it comes to confronting Big
>> > Tex.
>> > Same with Nike and Radio Shack who are now re-assessing their
>> > relationship
>> > with Lance, despite their adamant public denials. When Lance is in
>> > federal
>> > prison and USADA has to conduct its doping case against him through
>> > a
>> > telephone conference from behind prison walls, and Aspen Bully
>> > loses
>> > several of his Tour wins, then you might stand the chance of
>> > getting a
>> > semi-truthful quote from one those sponsor sycophant hangers-on.
>> >
>> > Just think of the new marketing angles....
>> >
>> > "Club Fed" glasses by Oakley
>> > "Steel Bars" model by Trek made out of NOS Reynolds 753
>> > "Bighouse Lycra" by Nike (available in county lock-up zebra stripes
>> > or
>> > casual solid federal penitentiary "Lance" classic color)
>> >
>> > BL may very well end up being the resident Messiah of rbr and he
>> > will
>> > get
>> > his own plaque and shit.
>> >
>> >
>> > Magilla
>>
>> Dang, you almost got it right. "Steel Bars" sounds so Oakley it's
>> incredible. Surprised they don't already have one with that name. I'd
>> trademark it quickly.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Oakley. ...listening to how the
> CEO and
> the rest of the executive staff of Doper Lover Boys plan to handle the
> pending indictment of their boy.
>
> Magilla

It's impressive and almost inspirational to see such high morals we
attribute to American businesses. I'm almost teary-eyed over the high
regard you have for the business community. Deeply touching. The images
of American board rooms where high-minded people are aghast at someone
representing their company getting caught for spitting on the sidewalk.

Do you think Oakley really cares? Do you think Oakley customers are
turned off by the idea that one of their endorsed athletes might have
doped and kept the game running years longer than anyone would think
possible? My guess is that the typical Oakley customer either doesn't
care of thinks cool, I did white gangsta.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 30 2011 10:39 pm
From: Randall


Lance has only had a positive impact on bike sales at least for Trek.
If Lance's reputation negatively impacted sales then Trek be directly
affected by it first. But if indeed Lance had such a negative impact
on bike sales we would have seen it this year.


I think the industry has been focusing too much on the high end racing
bikes. Sure these $2000> bikes are cool to own and ride, but there is
a limited number of consumers who can afford to buy one. The other
problem is that there has not been enough product development other
price ranges. It is actually harder to develop a low to midrange bikes
that performs well and the consumer wants. But when marketing and all
the other factors come together a company can sell a lot of bikes.
Back in the 80's the Dave Scott Ironman sold like crazy.

On Jun 28, 8:15 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Lance Again
> By Ray Keener
> June 7, 2011
> Lance s impact on the bike industry is as controversial as his alleged
> drug use. With all the recent chatter and analysis, let s correct some
> of the revisionist history being spun.
>
> I read recently another Lance defender talking about the huge positive
> impact Lance s Tour successes have had on the industry.
>
> The facts are simple: Between 1999 and 2009, call it The Lance Decade,
> unit sales, dollar sales and participation in the U.S. bicycle market
> all declined.
>
> Unit sales: Sales of adult bicycles declined from 11.6 million units in
> 1999 to 10.2 million in 2009.
>
> Participation: Declined from 42.4 million to 39.3 million in the same
> period.
>
> Overall industry sales, much harder to track, are generally agreed to be
> flat, which means down when adjusted for inflation.
>
> reference:http://www.bicycleretailer.com/post-296/lance-again

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:20 am
From: Simply Fred


MagillaGorilla wrote:
>> I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Oakley. ...listening to how the
>> CEO and
>> the rest of the executive staff of Doper Lover Boys plan to handle the
>> pending indictment of their boy.

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Do you think Oakley really cares? Do you think Oakley customers are
> turned off by the idea that one of their endorsed athletes might have
> doped and kept the game running years longer than anyone would think
> possible? My guess is that the typical Oakley customer either doesn't
> care of thinks cool, I did white gangsta.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YH-9jw5Kzs>


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:21 am
From: Simply Fred


MagillaGorilla wrote:
>> BL may very well end up being the resident Messiah of rbr and he will get
>> his own plaque and shit.

Jimmy July wrote:
> If he becomes a "Messiah", he'll ascend to heaven and we'll never hear
> from him again. That's how that seems to work. If there's anything I can
> do to help bring this about, let me know.

Shirley you mean raptured.


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:32 am
From: Simply Fred


Phil wrote:
> To say that Lance Did NOT have any positive affect on Cycling is sort
> of like saying Babe Ruth Did Not have any affect on baseball

Why do rbr threads always end up involving fattening foods ?

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 7:25 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 6/30/2011 5:39 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
> What about participation in USA Cycling sanctioned events?
>
> IMO, the '70's were more of a period of increased interest in cycling
> in the US than the subsequent decades.

One of the things that has changed in the midwest is that USAC's grip on
racing is slipping. Our club hasn't done a race through USAC since 2004.
MTB racing turns to USAC if event insurance is a problem, and they've
also had luck using $$ from national series sponsorship as a carrot.

The rise of gravel races and alleycat events is entirely outside of
USAC's influence.

Superweek is still to biggest multi-day event and is a USAC showpiece.
The Subaru Cup race was very impressive on the MTB side, and that was
USAC also.

But when I think of large scale single-day cycling events it's stuff
that is not USAC. Chequamegon is big enough to have it's own
gravitational field. Grandview is the largest road race, at least
until the Almanzo overtakes it which it is on track to do. None of
those are USAC events.

F

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TOPIC: Could be the most boring tour ever
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 30 2011 6:27 pm
From: Jimmy July


On 6/30/2011 4:58 PM, Phil wrote:
> Now that its been cleaned up, no one doing any thing at all right? All
> of the riders are as clean a a 14 year old going to sunday school.
> Probably we will see one of the slowest TDF's ever with half of the
> peloton droping out. I mean whoi the heck wants to kill them selves
> for 2000 miles without some kind of assistance? This will probably
> look more like a charity ride than a race. Ya gotta admit it was
> pretty nifty when the Lance Man looked back over his shouloder and
> gave Jan "THE LOOK" then took off UP the mountain to win the stage and
> basically the whole damn race. intimidating as hell. Or when Lemond
> cam from waaaaaaay back to beat Fignon by a few seconds.....Landis
> making up all that time, leading everyone out for sooo many miles when
> he had not come close to doing any thing like that before! Talk about
> excitement! Glued to the TUBE!. What are we gonna get now? A bunch of
> wanna be racers riding thru the pretty countyside of France, huffing
> and puffing their way thru the Alps. chuckle!

This is just a cut and paste of a Lafferty post circa 2006. I remember it.

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TOPIC: Glandon/Galibier loop question
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 30 2011 9:21 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a092fd11-fdd5-48f0-b7e5-6f683c2653cb@y13g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 26, 10:53 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> Sorry this is a bit off-topic but figure someone here might be able to
> help with this, and it is sorta TdF related.
>
> My son and I will be in the Alps for the final week of the TdF, and
> I'd
> like to do the 100 mile loop of the Col du Glandon and Galibier. We'll
> be staying just up a bit from LaGrave, and the plan is to ride
> clockwise, dropping down into Bourg d'Oisans, then up the Glandon.
> Here's the question. Dropping down the other side of the Glandon, you
> can either take the road (which becomes D927) straight into Saint
> Etienne de Cuines and then the long valley road up to Saint Michel de
> Maurienne (which is what most rides, including the Marmotte, seem to
> do)-
>
> http://www.mapmyride.com/s/routes/view/bike-ride-map/france/bourg-d03...
>
> or stay on D926 and take that into Saint Jean de Maurienne, shortening
> the valley road to the base of the Telegraph/Tourmalet.
>
> The latter loop you can see
> here-http://www.mapmyride.com/s/routes/view/bike-ride-map/france/le-bourg-...
>
> The profile for the latter loop doesn't look like there's any
> additional
> climbing, but looks like it might be a more-interesting ride since it
> spends less time on the presumably-less-interesting valley floor.
>
> Thanks-
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
=========
Well whatever you do ride a full size freeking bike and not some 16"
drug runner favored by Amsterdam dope gangs.

Years from now looking back you'll want to see photos of yourself on
top of a pass with a best friend (your regular road bike) and not some
mutant midget justified by saving a little bit of baggage fees.
========

Anton: I hear you, loud & clear. And that was my attitude for years.
But-

#1: It's not about airline fees. I mean, sure, that's annoying, but
dragging full-sized bikes through airports, cabs and trains, as well as
a whole lot of walking, can really cause you to question whether
bringing a bike at all is worth the hassle.

#2: There are few greater joys in life than having people make fun of
your silly bike and passing them handily on the climbs.

#3: I read someplace it's not about the bike?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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TOPIC: Ochowicz Is Holding It In
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ddc98f67e5e401b9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 30 2011 9:50 pm
From: Zenon


http://www.bmc-racing.com/fr-en/team/news/team/bmc-racing-team-statement-sven-schoutteten.html


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TOPIC: www.velogames.com
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8394198f4fcccad5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 30 2011 9:48 pm
From: Zenon


Well, crackers and backstabbing motherfuckers, and that means you fat
ass, the subject website is free and fun, so pick a team and enjoy the
Tour, but you only have a couple of days left so get on the ball.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 30 2011 11:39 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


Done. Team "Not Dead Yet" is ready to take on the world.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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TOPIC: Will Och Punish Georgio?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bef5f8c6927f0180?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 1:58 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jun 29, 10:56 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Fred Flintstein wrote:
> >
> > The odds of Novitsky coming after LANCE for possession are zero.
>
> Maybe in 1999, the odds are zero, but after convening a grand jury and
> spending $10 million on this investigation, the odds are considerably
> higher.  And considering Novitzky has a 100% conviction rate for big-name
> athletes for doping, your claim that the odds are zero is not good.
>
> Let me help you out here since you seem to have some problems understanding
> how this case is gonna go down.  Novitzky is gonna use the possession of
> doping products to make a conspiracy and racketeering case.  So although he
> likely won't have jurisdiction to make a possession case, it will be a
> material fact to proving the rest of the case.
>
> And then you got Travis "Tiger" Tygart who in fact will go after Lance and
> convict him of doping.  Lance will be stripped of at least 1 Tour win.  And
> don't think for one minute that doing that won't grab headlines and be just
> as bad for Lance as being convicted of some crime.
>
> If Lance loses any of his Tour wins because of a doping conviction, his
> legacy is gone.  Travis Tygart is gonna file charges and this whole house in
> Dripping Springs is gonna melt away like a popsicle on a hot Austin street.

Novitsky doesn't have a 100% conviction rate for doping.
Prosecutors fed by Novitsky have a conviction rate for
ancillary charges associated with lying about doping, or
covering up doping, or writing bad checks. Nobody's gotten
convicted for doping. Partly because it's hard to prove, and
partly because it isn't illegal.

Travis Tygart can't "convict" Texas Lech of anything. Tygart
isn't a prosecutor and a USADA hearing isn't a court.
However, Tygart might be able to make Jan Ullrich the
retroactive winner of another Tour de France or two,
That would be pretty cool and a major victory in the
War on Dope.

But I don't think it will happen.

Fredmaster Ben

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TOPIC: Doing the TdF on a vegan diet
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0acff4204585f4d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 2:04 am
From: "T. Miller"


Good for Dave if he can pull it off but I would think eating that much
fiber and ruffage would cause you to spend your day worrying about
shitting your pants

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304314404576414124184873028.html

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TOPIC: rbr memes infecting the real world
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/30289bbdacc159ff?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 2:25 am
From: "T. Miller"


On Jun 28, 4:44 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sitting in an airport across from a guy wearing a t-shirt
> that says:
>
>     "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
>                             -- Ben Franklin

In wine there is wisdom,
In beer there is freedom,
In water there is bacteria.

>
> This is a bad sign for the real world.
>
> If any of you have read the Borges story
> "Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius," I think that must be what's
> going on here.
>
> Fredmaster Ben


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TOPIC: TdF starts Saturday
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8b9da5489d98ed56?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 2:30 am
From: Victor Kan


On Jun 29, 12:16 pm, Fred Flintstein
<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net> wrote:
...
> Nibali, V          65.0

Wow, they're giving odds on a guy who's not even entered?

> Leipheimer, L 65.0

Or is it just a subtle dig at Leipheimer and his chances?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 5:34 am
From: ilan


On Jun 29, 6:16 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 6/29/2011 10:06 AM, --D-y wrote:
>
> > Pass it on!
> > --D-y
>
> Current odds @ unibet
>
> Contador, A         1.7
> Schleck, Andy       3.25
> Gesink, R          17.0
> Evans, C           28.0
> Van den Broeck, J  28.0
> Schleck, Frank     35.0
> Wiggins, B         35.0
> Basso, I           40.0
> Sanchez, S         45.0
> Klöden, A          55.0
> Leipheimer, L      65.0
> Nibali, V          65.0
> Vinokourov, A      75.0
> Brajkovic, J      100.0
> Hesjedal, R       100.0
> Horner, C         100.0
> VandeVelde, C     100.0
> Casar, S          150.0
> Gadret, J         200.0
> Martin, Tony      200.0
> Cunego, D         250.0
> Kern, C           250.0
> Kreuziger, R      250.0
> Fuglsang, J       300.0
> Mollema, B        300.0
> Danielson, T      325.0
> Cancellara, F     350.0
> Charteau, A       350.0
> Coppel, J         350.0
> Chavanel, Sylvain 500.0
> Gerdemann, L      500.0
> Gilbert, Philippe 500.0
> Moncoutié, D      500.0
> Taaramae, R       500.0
> Karpets, V        750.0
> Voeckler, T       750.0
> De Weert, K       800.0
> Hoogerland, J    1000.0

That appears to be the odds of winning at the end of the race. The
odds of winning after the CAS decision are different, in particular,
Contador's probability decreases by 50%, etc. I wonder when the
bookies plan to pay out.

-ilan


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 9:43 am
From: Victor Kan


On Jun 29, 12:16 pm, Fred Flintstein
<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net> wrote:
> Leipheimer, L      65.0
> Nibali, V          65.0

I wonder how Levi feels about about being given the same odds of
winning as a guy who's not even entered in the race.

Nevermind the guys with even higher payouts next to their names...


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TOPIC: Just a reminder...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0b4a21e0768cb0cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:59 am
From: Uncle Dave


... that nobody starts racing for the money or the glory. They do it
because they love it:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/529174/happy-50th-birthday-malcolm-elliott.html

More comebacks than Frank Sinatra :-) I had him written off when he
joined the yanks almost twenty years ago. Yes, it's possible he may be
chock full of drugs, I don't know, but it's a nice story nonetheless.

UD


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 6:33 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 7/1/2011 5:59 AM, Uncle Dave wrote:
> ... that nobody starts racing for the money or the glory. They do it
> because they love it:
>
> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/529174/happy-50th-birthday-malcolm-elliott.html
>
>
> More comebacks than Frank Sinatra :-) I had him written off when he
> joined the yanks almost twenty years ago. Yes, it's possible he may be
> chock full of drugs, I don't know, but it's a nice story nonetheless.

Or maybe they do it because they can't find a decent job. Sort of
like Alexi Grewal.

F


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 7:23 am
From: Uncle Dave


On 01/07/2011 14:33, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 7/1/2011 5:59 AM, Uncle Dave wrote:
>> ... that nobody starts racing for the money or the glory. They do it
>> because they love it:
>>
>> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/529174/happy-50th-birthday-malcolm-elliott.html
>>
>>
>>
>> More comebacks than Frank Sinatra :-) I had him written off when he
>> joined the yanks almost twenty years ago. Yes, it's possible he may be
>> chock full of drugs, I don't know, but it's a nice story nonetheless.
>
> Or maybe they do it because they can't find a decent job. Sort of
> like Alexi Grewal.

And I thought I was cynical old bastard till I found you blokes...

UD


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 7:34 am
From: "Dave Lee"


"Uncle Dave" wrote in message
news:2uCdnQT17pXNRZDTnZ2dnUVZ8tydnZ2d@bt.com...

On 01/07/2011 14:33, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 7/1/2011 5:59 AM, Uncle Dave wrote:
>> ... that nobody starts racing for the money or the glory. They do it
>> because they love it:
>>
>> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/529174/happy-50th-birthday-malcolm-elliott.html
>>
>>
>>
>> More comebacks than Frank Sinatra :-) I had him written off when he
>> joined the yanks almost twenty years ago. Yes, it's possible he may be
>> chock full of drugs, I don't know, but it's a nice story nonetheless.
>
> Or maybe they do it because they can't find a decent job. Sort of
> like Alexi Grewal.

And I thought I was cynical old bastard till I found you blokes...

UD

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Gotta agree with you here. Some lazy bastard doesn't want to work hard.
So he decides that the best answer for him is professional bicycle racing
where he can just lounge around, take a few pills/injections, and reap
the rewards available to the elite cyclists.

dave


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TOPIC: $50,000 BOUNTY on Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Sasha Obama and Malia
Obama
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a3ba344bbb49383f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 5:28 am
From: "FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer"


$50,000 BOUNTY on Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Sasha Obama and Malia Obama

13 yr old Vito Jacinta Jr interrogated by Secret Service for commenst about
Obama
http://digitallife.today.com/_news/2011/05/18/6667233-secret-service-interrogates-13-year-old-over-facebook-post

Marine Kody Ray Brittingham charged with threatening Obama
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,185857,00.html


But here, I POSTED a $50k BOUNTY on Barack Obama, his wife Michelle
Obama and his children Malia Obama and Sasha Obama and these IMPOTENT
US GOVT FBI, CIA and NSA PSYCHOPATHS dont have the guts to arrest
and prosecute me.

KILL the MASS MURDERERS, TERRORISTS, SADISTS, PERVERTS and
PSYCHOPATHS george bush, rumsfeld, paul wolfowitz, dick cheney, FBI director
Robert Mueller III, NSA director Keith Alexander, CIA director David
Patraeus, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and National Intelligence director
Dennis
Blair

1) Bomb these American Federal Buildings and American INFRASTRUCTURE
BUILDINGS and KILL as many FBI, CIA, DNI and NSA PSYCHOPATHS.

FBI Headquarters - Edgar Hoover Building in Washington DC
CIA Headquarers in Langley, Virginia
NSA Headquarters in Ft George Meade, Maryland
DNI Headquarters in Washington DC
US Capitol Building
GoldenGate Bridge SanFrancisco
Empire State Building, Newyork
Brooklyn Bridge, Newyork
Hoover Dam, Nevada
Willis Tower, Chicago
Washington Monument, Washington DC
Lockheed Martin Corporate Headquarters
Northrop Grumman Headquarters
Xe Company Headquarters

I CHALLENGE any readers to email my post to FBI, CIA, NSA and
Secret Service and get me arrested.......They will NOT arrest me because of
this reason.

This is my profile at FBI, CIA and NSA
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy/msg/6212b297461a5bc0?hl=en

You MORONS.........just listen to me.......Everything mentioned in the
following document is REAL and FBI, CIA and NSA had this technology for more
than 20 years........

Covert Operations of NSA- Mind Control
http://www.scribd.com/doc/25664429/Conspiracy-Mind-Control-Covert-Ope...

This is how the WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN TERRORISTS are RAPING, TORTURING
and KILLING POWERLESS Americans for decades.....

MODUS OPERANDI OF FBI, CIA and NSA PSYCHOPATHS and TERRORISTS
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.mindcontrol/msg/9329d2af1c6e5f8b?h...

Your psychopathic governments programmed your brains to think every one who
accuses the government of tortures is "delusional".

MKULTRA and COINTELPRO were never terminated. They merely became SECRET
TORTURES.

What is MKULTRA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mkultra

What is COINTELPRO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cointelpro


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TOPIC: Quickstep Bus Stopped
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6c70281e58c0a183?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 10:33 am
From: BL


and taken into police custody to be searched.
http://www.ouest-france.fr/ofdernmin_-Tour-de-France.-Le-bus-de-la-Quick-Step-saisi-a-Challans_6346-1857131-fils-tous_filDMA.Htm

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TOPIC: Doping is Killing the Sport!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/364451b639fe888d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 11:23 am
From: Fred Flintstein


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-to-visit-the-tour-de-france

Sponsors won't touch Lance with a ten foot pole. No one will go
near him.

F


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