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Today's topics:
* Another casualty of stage 8's bad driving. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/968c307aa114068b?hl=en
* Voeckler - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9157a7b092967649?hl=en
* team rwanda - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d57803ce8e7e8310?hl=en
* French TV reporters car and occupants shown on ITV4! - 9 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2e5ad09b7773df1c?hl=en
* 2011 TDF Crash fest. No dead yet. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b6d3691accf66d52?hl=en
* "They shoot horses, don't they?" - what is going on??? - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/32a03f633947e783?hl=en
* French television brings it. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2265f3ea61fe5c7f?hl=en
* Theory of evolution proved - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8865aafbdf70de99?hl=en
* Why d'ya do it Alex? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3120846873f8023a?hl=en
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TOPIC: Another casualty of stage 8's bad driving.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/968c307aa114068b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 10:04 am
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jul 11, 2:57 am, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Nobody is talking about a bunch of pro racers riding
> into a ditch on a descent. I'm not sure anyone would
> have noticed if it were a shear drop into a ravine.
That would have been worse, but on one hand riders tend to pick their
crash escape routes based on reducing harm. In other words, the
Astanas went off there (given the bad bodge-up of the corner everyone
was making) because it was a ditch and not a ravine. Fofonov emerged
unscathed, but Vino had the bad luck to find a tree on the way down.
Had it been a ravine, they would have probably tried another exit:
maybe just max braking and pile into the back of the riders ahead.
That's usually the most popular choice in these circumstances.
Not that bad things don't happen on descents (RIP Wouter), but for
that matter many of the sheer drops that are actually on ProTour race
routes are not that sheer. The last few fatal racing accidents I can
remember were from hitting something hard that wasn't far from the
road at all. Beloki's famous career-ending hip break came from hitting
the road. Someone here (Benjo?) will remember better than I, but the
last fatal bike-racing incident where the deadly element was, in
essence, a fall from height, may have involved a race caravan vehicle,
not a racer*. Of course, this leads into an enjoyably pointless debate
about what constitutes an injury due to a fall off a cliff or not: did
Vino break his femur because he hit a tree, or because he fell on a
tree?
The scariest-looking descents may not be where the worst accidents
happen. The least fatal kind of descent would be one where the
switchbacks came too quickly for riders to build up much speed: they
might be terrifying and tetchy, but any crash at 40 km/h is much
different from one at 70 km/h.
*Just looking at le Tour, racer Francisco Cepeda died after falling
into a ravine in 1935. The doubly-fatal Virot/Wagter motorcycle crash
in 1957 was described in one report I found as a crash down a ravine:
http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/vi/alex-virot-1.html
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TOPIC: Voeckler
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9157a7b092967649?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 10:18 am
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jul 10, 5:07 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 1:58 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>
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> > On Jul 10, 7:36 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 11, 1:08 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > In 2004 we flew to France for the Tour, starting the trip in
> > > > a village in the Ariege. Voeckler had yellow, after taking a
> > > > big gap in one of the early stages. Stage 13 ended at Plateau
> > > > de Beille, and I was at the saddle in between the Col d'Agnes
> > > > and the Port de Lers. The lead group came through and Voeckler
> > > > was absent.
>
> > > > He followed after a bit, looking like hell. There was no doubt
> > > > in my mind that this was his last day in the lead. He started
> > > > the day with 5:24 on Armstrong and he had already coughed up
> > > > some of that with two climbs left including the haul up to the
> > > > Plateau. If he had been able to maintain contact with the
> > > > front group he'd have had a chance. But being dropped at that
> > > > stage of the race meant it was over for him.
>
> > > > He looked to be near death as he came by.
>
> > > > It turned out to be a good spot to see the race because one
> > > > of the Tour sponsors had set up a private tent complete with a
> > > > jumbotron. We didn't have access to the tent but there were no
> > > > bad views of the jumbotron. Once the race went through there
> > > > was a pretty large crowd in front of the massive screen.
>
> > > > Lance ground up the lead group into andouillette to take the
> > > > stage and yellow. All that remained was to wait for the clock
> > > > to deliver the final blow to the fading Voeckler.
>
> > > > Voeckler appeared with most of his lead having passed into
> > > > memory. There are moments that you remember from the Tour and
> > > > for me one of them is the roar that came as Voeckler sprinted
> > > > for the finish line to save his yellow jersey by seconds. I
> > > > don't know where he got that. The guy that had passed through
> > > > earlier was not capable of it.
>
> > > > This year's Stage 14 follows the same route from Saint-Gaudens
> > > > to Plateau de Beille. And Voeckler is poised to make it another
> > > > heroic day. I'll be cheering for him. He didn't win, but he
> > > > rode with courage.
>
> > > > F
>
> > > Time for my annual post of the Mon Tour de France a Moi video:http://www.wat.tv/video/mon-tour-france-par-thomas-qrbe_2h0s9_.html
> > > Two years ago, I posted it right before his first TdF stage win. But
> > > now, it no longer applies at all, as this year, he's in the leading
> > > group doing late solo attacks. It's kind of late to post, but I felt
> > > that he was up to something today when I saw that he didn't attack
> > > yesterday in the final climb. By the way, that Plouay win is still
> > > amazing, his first big victory and when he stopped being "le petit
> > > francais" and became a serious rider.
>
> > Yep, that was a memorable stage. I fell in love with the guy after he
> > was dropped like four or five times, and kept clawing his way back. I
> > remember thinking they'd have to shoot the guy and beat him with clubs
> > to keep him down. Guy's got heart.
>
> > R
>
> I'm actually more impressed with him now that he's racing better. In
> 2004 he was doing that yo-yoing off the back which is just too
> annyoing. I hope he won't do it this year. I also don't quite
> understand the practice of these French guys to bury themselves to
> keep the yellow jersey just one more day. I don't believe in
> "panache", Speaking of which, I'm truly enjoying my time away from
> France :).
While I might agree that Voeckler was comically dramatic in his last
jersey defense, he (and most other riders, and even most teams) don't
have a chance of winning it all. For Voeckler then and now, every day
in yellow was pretty much the maximum accomplishment that was
conceivable, met or exceeded personal and team goals, and was probably
worth a surprisingly quantifiable amount of money, both in sponsorship
dollars and at contract negotiation time.
I looked up the prize money, though: In 2011, the daily prize for
being the wearer of the maillot jaune is 350 Euros. In comparison,
first person to the top of a Cat 3 climb gets 300, and the daily
winner of the combativity prize gets 2000. http://www.letour.fr/2011/TDF/COURSE/docs/reglement.pdf
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TOPIC: team rwanda
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d57803ce8e7e8310?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 10:18 am
From: Ben Trovato
The current _New Yorker_ has an article on bike racing in Rwanda. If
you wondered whatever happened to J. Boyer, he's managing Team
Rwanda. I also learned that he was a vegetarian in the peloton, after
his mother had clothed, housed, and educated him thanks to her
inheritance from the Swift meat-packing fortune. The young members of
team Rwanda had to overcome hunger, illiteracy, wooden bikes, and the
legacy of genocide.
Abstract here (article behind the pay wall):
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/07/11/110711fa_fact_gourevitch
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 10:53 am
From: Choppy Warburton
On Jul 11, 12:18 pm, Ben Trovato <benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The current _New Yorker_ has an article on bike racing in Rwanda. If
> you wondered whatever happened to J. Boyer, he's managing Team
> Rwanda. I also learned that he was a vegetarian in the peloton, after
> his mother had clothed, housed, and educated him thanks to her
> inheritance from the Swift meat-packing fortune. The young members of
> team Rwanda had to overcome hunger, illiteracy, wooden bikes, and the
> legacy of genocide.
> Abstract here (article behind the pay wall):http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/07/11/110711fa_fact_gourevitch
behind the pay wall - modern term for "unread"
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:13 pm
From: "rick-paulos@uiowa.edu"
On Jul 11, 12:53 pm, Choppy Warburton <choppywarbur...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Jul 11, 12:18 pm, Ben Trovato <benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The current _New Yorker_ has an article on bike racing in Rwanda. If
> behind the pay wall - modern term for "unread"
The article is worth paying for at your local newstand.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:50 pm
From: RicodJour
On Jul 11, 3:13 pm, "rick-pau...@uiowa.edu" <rick-pau...@uiowa.edu>
wrote:
> On Jul 11, 12:53 pm, Choppy Warburton <choppywarbur...@yahoo.com>
> > On Jul 11, 12:18 pm, Ben Trovato <benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The current _New Yorker_ has an article on bike racing in Rwanda. If
> > behind the pay wall - modern term for "unread"
>
> The article is worth paying for at your local newstand.
I think it's worth you scanning it and posting it.
R MacdJour
RBR Chief Financial Cheapskate
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TOPIC: French TV reporters car and occupants shown on ITV4!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2e5ad09b7773df1c?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 11:58 am
From: atriage
On 11/07/2011 16:16, rpm120 wrote:
> On Jul 11, 6:05 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 7:56 am, RicodJour<ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2:42 am, rpm120<wjgreenw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Highlights of this stage on British TV (ITV4) had a scene where they
>>>> caught up to the car and driver that caused the accident.
>>
>>>> The French TV reporters car was backing into a parking space for press
>>>> vehicles after the race. All the occupants were shielding their faces.
>>>> The driver was…wait for it…a young women!
>>
>>>> Maybe there is a reason former pro's who actually raced the Tour are
>>>> hired as drivers?
>>
>>> I couldn't find that video. Post a link to it. I've also read
>>> reports that someone from the ASO made a point of saying it was a man
>>> driving.
>>
>>> R
>>
>> They might have done a switcharoo knowing that a woman wouldn't get
>> the shit beat out of her.
>
> True, they might have switched. The front passenger was hiding like a
> man being hauled away by the police.
> You might be able to watch the same Stage 9 highlights here:
> http://www.itv.com/itv4/
Yeah I've just seen it, the passenger looked like a woman and the driver a man
but of course that was later and the commentary team didn't know which one was
driving at the time. The woman looked like she was in tears...I suspect she
already knew some serious shit was about to hit the fan.
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== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:20 pm
From: atriage
On 11/07/2011 19:58, atriage wrote:
> On 11/07/2011 16:16, rpm120 wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 6:05 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 11, 7:56 am, RicodJour<ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 11, 2:42 am, rpm120<wjgreenw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Highlights of this stage on British TV (ITV4) had a scene where they
>>>>> caught up to the car and driver that caused the accident.
>>>
>>>>> The French TV reporters car was backing into a parking space for press
>>>>> vehicles after the race. All the occupants were shielding their faces.
>>>>> The driver was…wait for it…a young women!
>>>
>>>>> Maybe there is a reason former pro's who actually raced the Tour are
>>>>> hired as drivers?
>>>
>>>> I couldn't find that video. Post a link to it. I've also read
>>>> reports that someone from the ASO made a point of saying it was a man
>>>> driving.
>>>
>>>> R
>>>
>>> They might have done a switcharoo knowing that a woman wouldn't get
>>> the shit beat out of her.
>>
>> True, they might have switched. The front passenger was hiding like a
>> man being hauled away by the police.
>> You might be able to watch the same Stage 9 highlights here:
>> http://www.itv.com/itv4/
>
> Yeah I've just seen it, the passenger looked like a woman and the driver a man
> but of course that was later and the commentary team didn't know which one was
> driving at the time. The woman looked like she was in tears...I suspect she
> already knew some serious shit was about to hit the fan.
>
Cancel that, I've just watched it in slo-mo on the ITV player...both the
occupants were definitely men. Here's the link for anyone WGAS.
http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=254650&module=most-watched&title=tour-de-france-2011
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== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:48 pm
From: RicodJour
On Jul 11, 3:20 pm, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
> On 11/07/2011 19:58, atriage wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11/07/2011 16:16, rpm120 wrote:
> >> On Jul 11, 6:05 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jul 11, 7:56 am, RicodJour<ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jul 11, 2:42 am, rpm120<wjgreenw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Highlights of this stage on British TV (ITV4) had a scene where they
> >>>>> caught up to the car and driver that caused the accident.
>
> >>>>> The French TV reporters car was backing into a parking space for press
> >>>>> vehicles after the race. All the occupants were shielding their faces.
> >>>>> The driver was…wait for it…a young women!
>
> >>>>> Maybe there is a reason former pro's who actually raced the Tour are
> >>>>> hired as drivers?
>
> >>>> I couldn't find that video. Post a link to it. I've also read
> >>>> reports that someone from the ASO made a point of saying it was a man
> >>>> driving.
>
> >>>> R
>
> >>> They might have done a switcharoo knowing that a woman wouldn't get
> >>> the shit beat out of her.
>
> >> True, they might have switched. The front passenger was hiding like a
> >> man being hauled away by the police.
> >> You might be able to watch the same Stage 9 highlights here:
> >>http://www.itv.com/itv4/
>
> > Yeah I've just seen it, the passenger looked like a woman and the driver a man
> > but of course that was later and the commentary team didn't know which one was
> > driving at the time. The woman looked like she was in tears...I suspect she
> > already knew some serious shit was about to hit the fan.
>
> Cancel that, I've just watched it in slo-mo on the ITV player...both the
> occupants were definitely men. Here's the link for anyone WGAS.http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=254650&module=most-watched...
I can't get that to play. Does ITV limit playback to the eurozone or
something?
R
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:09 pm
From: "rick-paulos@uiowa.edu"
"Sorry the video can't not be found"
Guess it didn't happen after all.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 2:01 pm
From: atriage
On 11/07/2011 20:48, RicodJour wrote:
> On Jul 11, 3:20 pm, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>> On 11/07/2011 19:58, atriage wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 11/07/2011 16:16, rpm120 wrote:
>>>> On Jul 11, 6:05 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 11, 7:56 am, RicodJour<ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2:42 am, rpm120<wjgreenw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Highlights of this stage on British TV (ITV4) had a scene where they
>>>>>>> caught up to the car and driver that caused the accident.
>>
>>>>>>> The French TV reporters car was backing into a parking space for press
>>>>>>> vehicles after the race. All the occupants were shielding their faces.
>>>>>>> The driver was…wait for it…a young women!
>>
>>>>>>> Maybe there is a reason former pro's who actually raced the Tour are
>>>>>>> hired as drivers?
>>
>>>>>> I couldn't find that video. Post a link to it. I've also read
>>>>>> reports that someone from the ASO made a point of saying it was a man
>>>>>> driving.
>>
>>>>>> R
>>
>>>>> They might have done a switcharoo knowing that a woman wouldn't get
>>>>> the shit beat out of her.
>>
>>>> True, they might have switched. The front passenger was hiding like a
>>>> man being hauled away by the police.
>>>> You might be able to watch the same Stage 9 highlights here:
>>>> http://www.itv.com/itv4/
>>
>>> Yeah I've just seen it, the passenger looked like a woman and the driver a man
>>> but of course that was later and the commentary team didn't know which one was
>>> driving at the time. The woman looked like she was in tears...I suspect she
>>> already knew some serious shit was about to hit the fan.
>>
>> Cancel that, I've just watched it in slo-mo on the ITV player...both the
>> occupants were definitely men. Here's the link for anyone WGAS.http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=254650&module=most-watched...
>
> I can't get that to play. Does ITV limit playback to the eurozone or
> something?
>
Probably just England, it's done on "a need to know basis" :) I'll try and post
a screen grab tomorrow.
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== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 2:35 pm
From: Uncle Dave
On Jul 11, 9:13 am, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
> On 11/07/2011 07:42, rpm120 wrote:> Highlights of this stage on British TV (ITV4) had a scene where they
> > caught up to the car and driver that caused the accident.
>
> > The French TV reporters car was backing into a parking space for press
> > vehicles after the race. All the occupants were shielding their faces.
> > The driver was…wait for it…a young women!
>
> Good, that gives more options as to where the mini-pumps should be shoved.
Good idea - they might even make a profit out of the incident and pay
compensation too!
UD
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 2:53 pm
From: atriage
On 11/07/2011 22:01, atriage wrote:
> On 11/07/2011 20:48, RicodJour wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 3:20 pm, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/07/2011 19:58, atriage wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11/07/2011 16:16, rpm120 wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 11, 6:05 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 11, 7:56 am, RicodJour<ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2:42 am, rpm120<wjgreenw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Highlights of this stage on British TV (ITV4) had a scene where they
>>>>>>>> caught up to the car and driver that caused the accident.
>>>
>>>>>>>> The French TV reporters car was backing into a parking space for press
>>>>>>>> vehicles after the race. All the occupants were shielding their faces.
>>>>>>>> The driver was…wait for it…a young women!
>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe there is a reason former pro's who actually raced the Tour are
>>>>>>>> hired as drivers?
>>>
>>>>>>> I couldn't find that video. Post a link to it. I've also read
>>>>>>> reports that someone from the ASO made a point of saying it was a man
>>>>>>> driving.
>>>
>>>>>>> R
>>>
>>>>>> They might have done a switcharoo knowing that a woman wouldn't get
>>>>>> the shit beat out of her.
>>>
>>>>> True, they might have switched. The front passenger was hiding like a
>>>>> man being hauled away by the police.
>>>>> You might be able to watch the same Stage 9 highlights here:
>>>>> http://www.itv.com/itv4/
>>>
>>>> Yeah I've just seen it, the passenger looked like a woman and the driver a man
>>>> but of course that was later and the commentary team didn't know which one was
>>>> driving at the time. The woman looked like she was in tears...I suspect she
>>>> already knew some serious shit was about to hit the fan.
>>>
>>> Cancel that, I've just watched it in slo-mo on the ITV player...both the
>>> occupants were definitely men. Here's the link for anyone
>>> WGAS.http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=254650&module=most-watched...
>>
>> I can't get that to play. Does ITV limit playback to the eurozone or
>> something?
>>
> Probably just England, it's done on "a need to know basis" :) I'll try and post
> a screen grab tomorrow.
A bad day for male chauvinism
http://s1121.photobucket.com/home/atriage/index
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== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 2:50 pm
From: Uncle Dave
On Jul 11, 8:48 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 3:20 pm, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 11/07/2011 19:58, atriage wrote:
>
> > > On 11/07/2011 16:16, rpm120 wrote:
> > >> On Jul 11, 6:05 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Jul 11, 7:56 am, RicodJour<ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> On Jul 11, 2:42 am, rpm120<wjgreenw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>> Highlights of this stage on British TV (ITV4) had a scene where they
> > >>>>> caught up to the car and driver that caused the accident.
>
> > >>>>> The French TV reporters car was backing into a parking space for press
> > >>>>> vehicles after the race. All the occupants were shielding their faces.
> > >>>>> The driver was…wait for it…a young women!
>
> > >>>>> Maybe there is a reason former pro's who actually raced the Tour are
> > >>>>> hired as drivers?
>
> > >>>> I couldn't find that video. Post a link to it. I've also read
> > >>>> reports that someone from the ASO made a point of saying it was a man
> > >>>> driving.
>
> > >>>> R
>
> > >>> They might have done a switcharoo knowing that a woman wouldn't get
> > >>> the shit beat out of her.
>
> > >> True, they might have switched. The front passenger was hiding like a
> > >> man being hauled away by the police.
> > >> You might be able to watch the same Stage 9 highlights here:
> > >>http://www.itv.com/itv4/
>
> > > Yeah I've just seen it, the passenger looked like a woman and the driver a man
> > > but of course that was later and the commentary team didn't know which one was
> > > driving at the time. The woman looked like she was in tears...I suspect she
> > > already knew some serious shit was about to hit the fan.
>
> > Cancel that, I've just watched it in slo-mo on the ITV player...both the
> > occupants were definitely men. Here's the link for anyone WGAS.http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=254650&module=most-watched...
>
> I can't get that to play. Does ITV limit playback to the eurozone or
> something?
UK only I expect. It's very frustrating. If you go to a German
channel's website you will normally be able to access everything but
the English rights are far more valuable than other languages and so
are highly protected. Same with the Beeb which is a great shame as
the world looks to the Beeb for impartialnews.
I used to listen to my local small town UK radio station on the web
while working in Germany and emailed the DJ about something. He then
boasted on air about how they had listeners far away. The web site
was doctored to UK only quite soon after that once the legal eagles
heard that. Dumb move on my part :-(
UD
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 2:45 pm
From: Uncle Dave
On Jul 11, 4:16 pm, rpm120 <wjgreenw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 6:05 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 7:56 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 11, 2:42 am, rpm120 <wjgreenw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Highlights of this stage on British TV (ITV4) had a scene where they
> > > > caught up to the car and driver that caused the accident.
>
> > > > The French TV reporters car was backing into a parking space for press
> > > > vehicles after the race. All the occupants were shielding their faces.
> > > > The driver was…wait for it…a young women!
>
> > > > Maybe there is a reason former pro's who actually raced the Tour are
> > > > hired as drivers?
>
> > > I couldn't find that video. Post a link to it. I've also read
> > > reports that someone from the ASO made a point of saying it was a man
> > > driving.
>
> > > R
>
> > They might have done a switcharoo knowing that a woman wouldn't get
> > the shit beat out of her.
>
> True, they might have switched. The front passenger was hiding like a
> man being hauled away by the police.
> You might be able to watch the same Stage 9 highlights here:http://www.itv.com/itv4/
> The in race commentary is the same as Versus (Phil Ligget and Paul
> Sherwan), but tends to have more detail from from Chris Boardman and
> others.
I wonder why Liggett kept banging on about Ohio (IIRC) in commentary
when I switched channels for a while the other day. Now I know. If
only somebody would knock Phil bloody Liggett off his bike - nothing
serious just enough to keep him out of France for three weeks he's not
such a bad bloke really - just before the Tour each year I'd watch
ITV's coverage too. 25 years ago he was the only option, but I can't
stand listening to him for more than a minute or two now. Gary Imlach
should do commentary and Liggett should join David Duffield sipping
Pims and sharing memories while watching at home. Having said that,
the bloke who took over from Duffield for Eurosport makes a mistake a
minute and is just as prone to trying to make the mundane sound
exciting as Liggett. "Oh! I do believe he's changed gear there Sean,
what do you think?" In the youthful days of European satellites in
the late 80s/early 90s, when things were technologically less
restricted, you could choose soundtracks on Eurosport. One choice -
and they had the same on Sky's interactive football coverage for years
- was the original feed sans commentary. Bliss!
UD
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TOPIC: 2011 TDF Crash fest. No dead yet.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b6d3691accf66d52?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:08 pm
From: "rick-paulos@uiowa.edu"
The tour has a considerable history of riders, drivers and fans
getting killed during the event. Despite the numerous nasty crashes,
no reports of anyone dead this year. Yet.
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TOPIC: "They shoot horses, don't they?" - what is going on???
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/32a03f633947e783?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:28 pm
From: Ronko
In article <LPmdnQa7m7Y_1IfTnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
MikeJ@ChainReaction.com says...
>
>
>"Zenon" <zenon_jaskula@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:0b8ce46f-bafa-411a-aa5a-
a48c90f17f96@s33g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2011/tour-de-france/photos/stage-
09/242-RTR2OPVS.jpg
>>
>> There is no way that he's starting after the rest day.
>
>"It's only a flesh wound."
>
>Ouch. What is going on at this year's TdF anyway? I can't see anything
>different in terms of cars & motorbikes & road choices. Is it the lack
>of any single team taking control?
>
>We're looking more like Rollerball all the time. Which might be good for
>audience numbers, but at some point people will be pointing to us as a
>sport too dangerous to continue. We suffer concussions and soldier on.
>We fly through barbed-wire fences and soldier on. We botch up blood
>transfusions and nearly kill ourselves and soldier on.
>
>We all wanted Horner to continue. But who wasn't blown away by the
>things he said as he was riding in to the finish, or being taken away on
>the stretcher? The 'Tours team doctor knew how bad off he was and
>assigned an ambulance and surgeon to stay with him those lonely 20
miles
>after the crash. Let the rider decide if it's time. But when the rider
>is incoherent, is he the person to make that decision?
>
>"Rollerball" (the original, not the remake) and "They shoot horses,
>don't they?"... is that us?
>
>--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
>
This is a good assessment of allowing riders to continue when the line
between "tough it out" and insanity have clearly been crossed. Horner not
knowing if he had finished the stage, when he had, should be a wake up
call that medical procedures need to be changed in favor of protecting the
riders.
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TOPIC: French television brings it.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2265f3ea61fe5c7f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:30 pm
From: Ronko
In article <rubrum-00DE3B.14532410072011@news.albasani.net>,
rubrum@pacbell.net says...
>
>
>I am relieved that the French television car
>did not take out Thomas Voeckler.
>
>--
>Old Fritz
Yes, would have been interesting when the French Parliament discuss
bringing the guillotine back.
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TOPIC: Theory of evolution proved
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8865aafbdf70de99?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:17 pm
From: Simply Fred
atriage wrote:
>>> If you (or anyone else) was told by some incredibly advanced aliens
>>> that they
>>> were going to recreate that crash exactly as it happened [...]
HankB wrote:
>> I bow down to our incredibly advanced alien accident recreating
>> overlords!
atriage wrote:
> And so you should, the whole fucking history of mankind is all their work.
Including all those fjords.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:47 pm
From: RicodJour
On Jul 11, 4:17 pm, Simply Fred <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> atriage wrote:
> >>> If you (or anyone else) was told by some incredibly advanced aliens
> >>> that they
> >>> were going to recreate that crash exactly as it happened [...]
> HankB wrote:
> >> I bow down to our incredibly advanced alien accident recreating
> >> overlords!
> atriage wrote:
> > And so you should, the whole fucking history of mankind is all their work.
>
> Including all those fjords.
Won an award, they did.
R
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 2:50 pm
From: Jimmy July
On 07/11/2011 01:17 PM, Simply Fred wrote:
> atriage wrote:
>>>> If you (or anyone else) was told by some incredibly advanced aliens
>>>> that they
>>>> were going to recreate that crash exactly as it happened [...]
>
> HankB wrote:
>>> I bow down to our incredibly advanced alien accident recreating
>>> overlords!
>
> atriage wrote:
>> And so you should, the whole fucking history of mankind is all their
>> work.
>
> Including all those fjords.
>
But not the chjevys.
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TOPIC: Why d'ya do it Alex?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3120846873f8023a?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 2:04 pm
From: atriage
Shock horror, Russian fails dope test.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cycling/14116083.stm
--
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 3:02 pm
From: atriage
On 11/07/2011 22:04, atriage wrote:
> Shock horror, Russian fails dope test.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cycling/14116083.stm
>
http://www.katushateam.com/2011/eng/main.php?mod=news&m=07&n=736
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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 3:26 pm
From: RicodJour
On Jul 11, 6:02 pm, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
> On 11/07/2011 22:04, atriage wrote:> Shock horror, Russian fails dope test.
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cycling/14116083.stm
>
> http://www.katushateam.com/2011/eng/main.php?mod=news&m=07&n=736
>
> --
Pay five times his salary as a fine....hmmm. Seems like a pretty good
deterrent to me. If they wanted to make it an even harsher penalty
they should make the dope-test failing rider enroll in one of those
celebrity rehab shows.
R
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 11 2011 3:31 pm
From: ilan
On Jul 11, 11:04 pm, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
> Shock horror, Russian fails dope test.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cycling/14116083.stm
>
> --
Give him a break, he was retaining water, bad time of the month.
-ilan
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