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Today's topics:
* "They shoot horses, don't they?" - what is going on??? - 4 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/32a03f633947e783?hl=en
* Cycling Tougher than Football ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9889935739593829?hl=en
* Cadel bores to the championship! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3f85c64fccb40b7d?hl=en
* WWLD - 7 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1814b47671c50717?hl=en
* French TV reporters car and occupants shown on ITV4! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2e5ad09b7773df1c?hl=en
* Hoorgerland said... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e74cbde6b0462f9a?hl=en
* Kolobnev - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b7801113d2b36f3d?hl=en
* Boring tour so far - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0cfca4e728a97da5?hl=en
* Steve Bauer: Tour de France has toughest anti-doping rules in sports - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/45bf0e9f7f0f8ea2?hl=en
* 25 years of the Tour - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5327b35a6f7efb2f?hl=en
* That car driver needs to be executed - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dab23173438aea08?hl=en
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TOPIC: "They shoot horses, don't they?" - what is going on???
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/32a03f633947e783?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 11:55 am
From: Dumbass
On Jul 10, 8:53 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "Zenon" <zenon_jask...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0b8ce46f-bafa-411a-aa5a-a48c90f17f96@s33g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2011/tour-de-france/photos/stage-09/242-...
>
> > There is no way that he's starting after the rest day.
>
> "It's only a flesh wound."
>
> Ouch. What is going on at this year's TdF anyway? I can't see anything
> different in terms of cars & motorbikes & road choices. Is it the lack
> of any single team taking control?
Some of it is a bad combination of roads + weather. (1) One stage
where a crosswind combined with narrow roads to make every GC
contender fear that the peleton would split, so everybody and his team
tried to bunch up to much. They all said it was a scary day (2) Wet
roads on a downhill contributed to the crash that took out Vino. I
think it had stopped raining so maybe they took too much risk having
trouble judging the conditions.
And the car crash is just over the top. There is a police
investigation. Talk of law suits. I think drivers will get more
careful.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 12:58 pm
From: Fred Bucephalus Birchmore
On Jul 10, 3:17 pm, Zenon <zenon_jask...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2011/tour-de-france/photos/stage-09/242-...
>
> There is no way that he's starting after the rest day.
Johny rode today dumbass "Today I felt better on the bike than I felt
in bed or walking, It was
a lot of adrenaline that got me through the day, I think."
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 1:10 pm
From: Dumbass
On Jul 12, 3:58 pm, Fred Bucephalus Birchmore
<fred.b.birchm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 3:17 pm, Zenon <zenon_jask...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2011/tour-de-france/photos/stage-09/242-...
>
> > There is no way that he's starting after the rest day.
>
> Johny rode today dumbass "Today I felt better on the bike than I felt
> in bed or walking, It was
> a lot of adrenaline that got me through the day, I think."
Now if he can just get through the nights without giving up...
The press cars have to stay 2 minutes away from him and every other
under the new rule.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 3:18 pm
From: BL
On 7/10/2011 4:17 PM, Zenon wrote:
> http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2011/tour-de-france/photos/stage-09/242-RTR2OPVS.jpg
>
> There is no way that he's starting after the rest day.
Poor guy. Hope he's had a recent tetanus shot.
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TOPIC: Cycling Tougher than Football ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9889935739593829?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 12:56 pm
From: Fred Bucephalus Birchmore
Cyclists ride for 4-5 hours at a time and risk life and limb doing
so. NFL players go for 4-5 seconds at a time and then sub in someone
from the bench.
Bo Jackson never even showed up for that Tour de France thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sz6xhPkGJ4&feature=related
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TOPIC: Cadel bores to the championship!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3f85c64fccb40b7d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 1:01 pm
From: Dumbass
I rooting for Cadel to win. And win in style, by never even trying to
pass the leader. Just like a big puppy dog on a lease,
Of course, he'd need some luck in the TT.
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TOPIC: WWLD
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1814b47671c50717?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 1:11 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<8192ec8e-ef50-49ba-ab58-0b3d2ba181c5@gc3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Dumbass <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 12, 2:33 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > On 7/12/2011 12:53 PM, Dumbass wrote:
> >
> > > But I don't know the history that well. To what extent did he risk
> > > losing the TDF in the name of honor?
> >
> > If you can't shift your fucking bike you don't deserve to win.
> > Waiting in that situation would have rewarded stupidity.
> >
> > If you are in a race this weekend and blow a shift we all know
> > you will get nothing but love from your competitors. This is
> > as it should be.
> >
> > F
> >
> > PS I have no special love for Contador but I don't get why I
> > should feel sorry for some guy that can't shift his fucking
> > bike.
>
> So, is that the prevailing ethic? If you lose a chain it's your
> fault?
> No dishonor in taking advantage of your mishap?
Correct. It's a _race_. Everybody is under _pressure_.
Winning requires getting everything right including
handling _pressure_. People under pressure make more
mistakes---such as blowing a shift. AMF.
--
Old Fritz
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 1:14 pm
From: Fred Flintstein
On 7/12/2011 2:49 PM, Dumbass wrote:
> On Jul 12, 3:23 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> On 7/12/2011 1:57 PM, Dumbass wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2:33 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 7/12/2011 12:53 PM, Dumbass wrote:
>>
>>>>> But I don't know the history that well. To what extent did he risk
>>>>> losing the TDF in the name of honor?
>>
>>>> If you can't shift your fucking bike you don't deserve to win.
>>>> Waiting in that situation would have rewarded stupidity.
>>
>>>> If you are in a race this weekend and blow a shift we all know
>>>> you will get nothing but love from your competitors. This is
>>>> as it should be.
>>
>>>> F
>>
>>>> PS I have no special love for Contador but I don't get why I
>>>> should feel sorry for some guy that can't shift his fucking
>>>> bike.
>>
>>> So, is that the prevailing ethic? If you lose a chain it's your
>>> fault?
>>> No dishonor in taking advantage of your mishap?
>>
>> Just like I said, drop a chain in your next race. Tell us
>> what happens.
>>
>> And if you have a problem because you did something stupid
>> it ain't a mishap. It's the cost of being stupid.
>>
>> And this goes triple(!) for people that modify a sponsor's
>> stock equipment.
>>
>> F- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> If that is the general assumption, then why is Contador not using that
> as a public defense of his actions?
>
> Seems to me that opinion is divided on the matter.
Contador, being more gracious than the average rbr reader, chose
not to rub Schleck's nose in it. Don't read anything into that
that isn't there.
F
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 2:27 pm
From: Simply Fred
Choppy Warburton wrote:
> Lance wouldn't have been as gracious as Johny Hoogerland the other
> day. He would have embarrased all of America and made Texas proud at
> the same time by being some kind of vengeful asshole. It's the way
> Bush would have wanted it.
Its interesting to speculate what HE would have done in that situation.
Its even more interesting to speculate what BL would have done when it
occurred.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 3:03 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Jul 12, 9:49 pm, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 12, 3:23 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 7/12/2011 1:57 PM, Dumbass wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 12, 2:33 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >> On 7/12/2011 12:53 PM, Dumbass wrote:
>
> > >>> But I don't know the history that well. To what extent did he risk
> > >>> losing the TDF in the name of honor?
>
> > >> If you can't shift your fucking bike you don't deserve to win.
> > >> Waiting in that situation would have rewarded stupidity.
>
> > >> If you are in a race this weekend and blow a shift we all know
> > >> you will get nothing but love from your competitors. This is
> > >> as it should be.
>
> > >> F
>
> > >> PS I have no special love for Contador but I don't get why I
> > >> should feel sorry for some guy that can't shift his fucking
> > >> bike.
>
> > > So, is that the prevailing ethic? If you lose a chain it's your
> > > fault?
> > > No dishonor in taking advantage of your mishap?
>
> > Just like I said, drop a chain in your next race. Tell us
> > what happens.
>
> > And if you have a problem because you did something stupid
> > it ain't a mishap. It's the cost of being stupid.
>
> > And this goes triple(!) for people that modify a sponsor's
> > stock equipment.
>
> > F- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If that is the general assumption, then why is Contador not using that
> as a public defense of his actions?
>
> Seems to me that opinion is divided on the matter.
Dumbass,
Please stop styling yourself "Dumbass", as you are
a disgrace to the honorable tradition of rbr dumbasses.
It's 2011, not 2010, nobody gives a damn about your
opinion on last year's race, and I don't consider it a
matter of honor that we should have to wait for you for
a year to catch up.
Thanks,
Fredmaster Ben
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 4:01 pm
From: Jimmy July
On 07/12/2011 12:49 PM, Dumbass wrote:
> If that is the general assumption, then why is Contador not using that
> as a public defense of his actions?
>
> Seems to me that opinion is divided on the matter.
It is. All the dumbasses think Contador should have waited, the rest of
humanity thinks bike riders should know how to shift.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 4:02 pm
From: Jimmy July
On 07/12/2011 12:11 PM, Choppy Warburton wrote:
> On Jul 12, 1:33 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> On 7/12/2011 12:53 PM, Dumbass wrote:
>>
>>> But I don't know the history that well. To what extent did he risk
>>> losing the TDF in the name of honor?
>>
>> If you can't shift your fucking bike you don't deserve to win.
>> Waiting in that situation would have rewarded stupidity.
>>
>> If you are in a race this weekend and blow a shift we all know
>> you will get nothing but love from your competitors. This is
>> as it should be.
>>
>> F
>>
>> PS I have no special love for Contador but I don't get why I
>> should feel sorry for some guy that can't shift his fucking
>> bike.
>
> Dumbass, ever since Shimano introduced indexed shifting no one knows
> how to shift a bike and therefore deserved to win.
I thought Suntour introduced indexed shifting.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 4:04 pm
From: ilan
On Jul 12, 10:11 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <8192ec8e-ef50-49ba-ab58-0b3d2ba18...@gc3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 12, 2:33 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> > > On 7/12/2011 12:53 PM, Dumbass wrote:
>
> > > > But I don't know the history that well. To what extent did he risk
> > > > losing the TDF in the name of honor?
>
> > > If you can't shift your fucking bike you don't deserve to win.
> > > Waiting in that situation would have rewarded stupidity.
>
> > > If you are in a race this weekend and blow a shift we all know
> > > you will get nothing but love from your competitors. This is
> > > as it should be.
>
> > > F
>
> > > PS I have no special love for Contador but I don't get why I
> > > should feel sorry for some guy that can't shift his fucking
> > > bike.
>
> > So, is that the prevailing ethic? If you lose a chain it's your
> > fault?
> > No dishonor in taking advantage of your mishap?
>
> Correct. It's a _race_. Everybody is under _pressure_.
> Winning requires getting everything right including
> handling _pressure_. People under pressure make more
> mistakes---such as blowing a shift. AMF.
>
> --
> Old Fritz
No that is dirty tactics. Take Eddy Merckx who was 8 minutes down on
Ocana, he attacked on a dangerous wet descent and thereby incited
Ocana to make a mistake, crash terribly, and lose the Tour. I think
Novitzky should investigate Eddy Merckx and indict him for attempted
murder.
-ilan
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TOPIC: French TV reporters car and occupants shown on ITV4!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2e5ad09b7773df1c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 1:14 pm
From: rpm120
On Jul 12, 9:14 am, Jimmy July <F...@Burger.com> wrote:
> On 07/11/2011 02:53 PM, atriage wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11/07/2011 22:01, atriage wrote:
> >> On 11/07/2011 20:48, RicodJour wrote:
> >>> On Jul 11, 3:20 pm, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 11/07/2011 19:58, atriage wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 11/07/2011 16:16, rpm120 wrote:
> >>>>>> On Jul 11, 6:05 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 11, 7:56 am, RicodJour<ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2:42 am, rpm120<wjgreenw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Highlights of this stage on British TV (ITV4) had a scene where
> >>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>> caught up to the car and driver that caused the accident.
>
> >>>>>>>>> The French TV reporters car was backing into a parking space
> >>>>>>>>> for press
> >>>>>>>>> vehicles after the race. All the occupants were shielding their
> >>>>>>>>> faces.
> >>>>>>>>> The driver was…wait for it…a young women!
>
> >>>>>>>>> Maybe there is a reason former pro's who actually raced the
> >>>>>>>>> Tour are
> >>>>>>>>> hired as drivers?
>
> >>>>>>>> I couldn't find that video. Post a link to it. I've also read
> >>>>>>>> reports that someone from the ASO made a point of saying it was
> >>>>>>>> a man
> >>>>>>>> driving.
>
> >>>>>>>> R
>
> >>>>>>> They might have done a switcharoo knowing that a woman wouldn't get
> >>>>>>> the shit beat out of her.
>
> >>>>>> True, they might have switched. The front passenger was hiding like a
> >>>>>> man being hauled away by the police.
> >>>>>> You might be able to watch the same Stage 9 highlights here:
> >>>>>>http://www.itv.com/itv4/
>
> >>>>> Yeah I've just seen it, the passenger looked like a woman and the
> >>>>> driver a man
> >>>>> but of course that was later and the commentary team didn't know
> >>>>> which one was
> >>>>> driving at the time. The woman looked like she was in tears...I
> >>>>> suspect she
> >>>>> already knew some serious shit was about to hit the fan.
>
> >>>> Cancel that, I've just watched it in slo-mo on the ITV player...both
> >>>> the
> >>>> occupants were definitely men. Here's the link for anyone
> >>>> WGAS.http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=254650&module=most-watched...
>
> >>> I can't get that to play. Does ITV limit playback to the eurozone or
> >>> something?
>
> >> Probably just England, it's done on "a need to know basis" :) I'll try
> >> and post
> >> a screen grab tomorrow.
>
> > A bad day for male chauvinism
> >http://s1121.photobucket.com/home/atriage/index
>
> These pictures prove that the driver was either male, female or The Loch
> Ness Monster. Big Foot is ruled out, as pictures of him are invariably
> clearer than this.
Yes, I was going to say the same. In HD, as I first saw, the driver
is clearly a women. So yes, this fits the old stereotype. But what
really matters is how experienced was the driver? Did this happen
because a press car let a VIP drive? What really matters is that they
only use experienced drivers who know how painful it is to have your
race ended like that. Most of the available drivers would probably be
men, maybe even former pros. What a shame!
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 2:22 pm
From: Simply Fred
Jimmy July wrote:
> These pictures prove that the driver was either male, female or The Loch
> Ness Monster. Big Foot is ruled out, as pictures of him are invariably
> clearer than this.
Could be a grey with a blue cooler box.
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TOPIC: Hoorgerland said...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e74cbde6b0462f9a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 2:03 pm
From: Jimmy July
On 07/12/2011 12:05 PM, Dumbass wrote:
> "Today I felt better on the bike than I felt in bed or walking, It was
> a lot of adrenaline that got me through the day, I think."
Excellent! That's almost a confession, right there!
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TOPIC: Kolobnev
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b7801113d2b36f3d?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 2:10 pm
From: Simply Fred
Jimmy July wrote:
> I'm glad your around to connect the dots for us. Without you, we
> wouldn't have known LANCE was responsible for Kolobnev's doping. Keep up
> the good work!
LANCE is Putin's supplier too.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 3:15 pm
From: BL
On 7/12/2011 1:12 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "BL"<bl@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:8eydnfoX0ZbIp4HTnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> "Kolobnev is one of five Russian riders caught up in the Italian
>> police investigation into Dr Michele Ferrari and his links to Lance
>> Armstrong. His medical record and contract were seized by police from
>> Padova in April." Along with Popo's computer.
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kolobnev-denies-doping-after-positive-test-at-the-tour-de-france
>>
>> And today Popo has a fever foring him to quit the Tour. Priceless.
>
> So tell me, are the Italians inept or just thorough? How long have they
> had Popo's computer?
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
Why don't you be a good Fanboy and ask that question over on either the
RS team site or at Livestrong?
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 3:16 pm
From: BL
On 7/12/2011 12:10 PM, Jimmy July wrote:
> On 07/12/2011 07:44 AM, BL wrote:
>> On 7/12/2011 8:49 AM, Scott wrote:
>>> On Jul 12, 6:13 am, BL<b...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> "Kolobnev is one of five Russian riders caught up in the Italian police
>>>> investigation into Dr Michele Ferrari and his links to Lance Armstrong.
>>>> His medical record and contract were seized by police from Padova in
>>>> April." Along with Popo's
>>>> computer.http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kolobnev-denies-doping-after-positive...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And today Popo has a fever foring him to quit the Tour. Priceless.
>>>
>>> BL = one trick pony.
>>> SSDD
>>>
>> Scott = Moron with nothing useful to type.
>
> I'm glad your around to connect the dots for us. Without you, we
> wouldn't have known LANCE was responsible for Kolobnev's doping. Keep up
> the good work!
Too bad you don't connect dots very well. Your conclusion isn't
supported by what we presently know.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 4:15 pm
From: ilan
On Jul 12, 2:13 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Kolobnev is one of five Russian riders caught up in the Italian police
> investigation into Dr Michele Ferrari and his links to Lance Armstrong.
> His medical record and contract were seized by police from Padova in
> April." Along with Popo's computer.http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kolobnev-denies-doping-after-positive...
>
> And today Popo has a fever foring him to quit the Tour. Priceless.
Kolobnev leaves TdF for using diuretic, and if confirmed will have to
pay back 5 times his salary. Person who ran down Flecha and Hoogerland
get ejected from TdF and a severe verbal reprimand from the race
organiser.
-ilan
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 4:21 pm
From: RicodJour
On Jul 12, 7:15 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kolobnev leaves TdF for using diuretic, and if confirmed will have to
> pay back 5 times his salary. Person who ran down Flecha and Hoogerland
> get ejected from TdF and a severe verbal reprimand from the race
> organiser.
...a severe....verbal....reprimand. Wow - makes my blood run cold.
Stoopid fookers. I hope Sky does sue and the police suspend the
drivers license for a year for reckless driving. They need to teach
the stupid schmucks a lesson and let the other idjits know there are
real repercussions, not just a harsh talking to. And the ASO needs to
de-headify their sphincter.
R
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TOPIC: Boring tour so far
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0cfca4e728a97da5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 2:16 pm
From: Simply Fred
BL wrote:
>> rbr died a few years ago, my friend.
Jimmy July wrote:
> Really. All that's left are professional fanboys being paid by LA or CFE.
Asshat,
I'm still waiting for my cheque,
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TOPIC: Steve Bauer: Tour de France has toughest anti-doping rules in sports
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/45bf0e9f7f0f8ea2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 2:34 pm
From: --D-y
On Jul 12, 2:32 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On Jul 12, 6:29 pm, Jason Spaceman <jspace...@linuxquestions.net>
> wrote:
>
> > From the article:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > As the 98th Tour de France enters its second week, professional
> > cyclists will inevitably be chastised as dopers.
>
> > But sports fans' argument that the Tour de France is just too tough of
> > a race to win without doping betrays an ignorance of the prevention
> > measures now in place.
>
> > The Tour de France is the toughest and most demanding sporting event
> > in the world. This year's route covers 3,430 kilometres in 21 stages
>
> An average ridin day of 102 miles a day the lazy so and sos. No
> wonder they stick it in kms and not miles any more.
>
> > over mountainous terrain, about the same distance as riding between
> > Calgary and Toronto.
>
> > In the fight against doping, professional cycling takes a leading role
> > that sets the sport apart from the NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL, CFL and Formula
> > 1, with the goal of working toward clean sport.
>
> > Cycling regulates and polices the sport like no other league or sport
> > governing body in the world.
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I must admit, they do have a difficult job but with the millions now
> invested the professional teams will always be one step ahead.
>
> Averaging to a hundred miles a day is probably a good thing to help
> exclude the use conditioned use of pharmacological aids simply to keep
> up. It's a level at which all riders should be able to recuperate
> from unless they are medically unfit to ride.
People use drugs to be better at chess. IOW, distance doesn't have
anything to do with the problem of "doping". It's a problem of getting
an advantage to, first of all win (witness drug use at your local
amateur crit series) and second of all to reap the many rewards of
winning or at least showing well consistently.
This is a problem without a solution-- "exclude" means "solution".
There isn't one.
--D-y
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TOPIC: 25 years of the Tour
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5327b35a6f7efb2f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 3:02 pm
From: Fred Flintstein
In the 25 editions of the Tour to complete since Hinault
won in 1985 there have been only 4 riders not from the US
or Spain to win.
US
Lemond (3)
LANCE (7)
Spain
Delgado (1)
Indurain (5)
Pereiro (1)
Sastre (1)
Contador (3)
Ireland
Roche (1)
Denmark
Riis (1)
Germany
Ullrich (1)
Italy
Pantani (1)
In that period the only American or Spanish riders to
take 2nd were Delgado (1987), and Beloki (2002). The
list of also rans is more geographically diverse:
France (Virenque, Fignon, Hinault)
Holland (Rooks)
Italy (Chiappucci, Bugno, Basso)
Switzerland (Rominger, Zülle)
Latvia (Ugrumov)
Germany (Ullrich, Klöden)
Australia (Evans)
Luxembourg (A. Schleck)
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F
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TOPIC: That car driver needs to be executed
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dab23173438aea08?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2011 4:29 pm
From: thirty-six
On Jul 12, 6:52 pm, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> thirty-six wrote:
> > On Jul 12, 3:46 pm, A. Dumas wrote:
> >> In HD:http://ewoud.home.xs4all.nl/cycling/20110710_tourdefrance_carcrash_72...
> >> inluding ITV4 screen caps of driver and passenger.
>
> > Looks like a woman. Cross-over steering is bad, as is steering with
> > one hand. How else did the indicater stalk get knocked, did the
> > passenger grab the wheel to mitgate the injuries?
>
> The screenshots are not from the same video and not from the same time.
> ITV4 crew followed them into a parking lot. It's up on their website,
> accessible to UKians.
New video evidence from inside the car tells what really happened.
http://youtu.be/bx_XBnGx1LE?t=29s
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