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Today's topics:

* If your name is Schleck... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e2cf8420a23a7787?hl=en
* Doping thread...or not? - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/acd35f1d4b7c8a05?hl=en
* The Ride of Shame - Mark Cavendish in 4" heels just like a slut in Manhattan
heading home at 8 AM - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c69456e1ab39719b?hl=en
* Post-TDF pic for Anton - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d2bd1e5265538142?hl=en
* Most bizarre moments of final stage - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7107ac85e5422ced?hl=en
* I thought this might happen. Another positive doping test. - 3 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bd7773a949de4688?hl=en
* 2011 TDF a boring race - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d19806b313dc8185?hl=en
* Crank length selection and seat position. Not just knee over pedal. Is this
correct? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6c8039f828f97835?hl=en
* Market value of Cervelo & BMC - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9e4f5f2b3efb3b81?hl=en
* Magilla hasn't earned the red most combative monkey even once this year - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7546867c817e7030?hl=en

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TOPIC: If your name is Schleck...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e2cf8420a23a7787?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 8:11 am
From: atriage


On 25/07/2011 15:01, Choppy Warburton wrote:
> On Jul 25, 8:10 am, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 25, 5:23 am, thirty-six<thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 11:37 pm, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jul 23, 3:37 pm, thirty-six<thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Jul 23, 5:48 pm, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Jul 23, 9:48 am, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On 23/07/2011 16:40, Adama wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Le 23/07/2011 17:12, atriage a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> ...then today's racing didn't necessarily proceed in an advantageous
>>>>>>>>> manner.
>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like "only one TT stage in the Tour" is still one too many for them ...
>>
>>>>>>> Somebody needs to lock them in a wind tunnel with a bicycle for six months.
>>
>>>>>>> --
>>
>>>>>> Much of the time loss seemed to have come from Schleck's tentative
>>>>>> descending, whereas Evans was nailing it in the twistier parts of the
>>>>>> descent. You'd have thought he was riding a crit bike, not a TT bike.
>>
>>>>> It didn't have the curly handlebar but the dropped position is still
>>>>> there. As long as a rider can get his weight forward he is able to
>>>>> control it well at speed. There really isn't a lot of difference once
>>>>> a rider lifts off the saddle and balances the bike into and out of a
>>>>> corner.
>>
>>>> You do know the steering geometry, and therefore the handling, is
>>>> significantly different between a TT bike and regular road bike,
>>>> right?
>>
>>> No! What are these significant differences?
>>
>> A good TT bike is designed to be very stable at speed in a straight or
>> reasonable straight line, stable enough to keep the front end from
>> being too affected by strong cross winds. Bikes that are super stable
>> in a straight line tend not to turn well, not without significant
>> steering input.
>>
>> You can start w/ the trail figures for the fork/headtube angle. Then
>> there's also the typically ever so slightly shorter chainstay, coupled
>> with the significantly steeper seattube angle, placing the weight of
>> the rider much further forward. The much lower bars will put the
>> weight of the rider lower. You may say that once the rider stands on
>> the pedals the seattube angle doesn't matter, but the position of the
>> bars changes everything about the position of the rider's CoG compared
>> to a standard road bike position.
>>
>> Like I said, you can learn to ride a TT bike down a mtn, but I doubt
>> anyone who's not a supreme bike handler could do it well the first
>> time they try as it's not intuitive.
>
> So practicing is somehow beneficial ? What about training ? Does it
> help to train ?

The best way to learn to ride a TT bike downhill is to change your name to
Fabian and go live in Switzerland.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 8:16 am
From: Jimmy July


On 7/25/2011 7:01 AM, Choppy Warburton wrote:
> On Jul 25, 8:10 am, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 25, 5:23 am, thirty-six<thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 11:37 pm, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jul 23, 3:37 pm, thirty-six<thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Jul 23, 5:48 pm, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Jul 23, 9:48 am, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On 23/07/2011 16:40, Adama wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Le 23/07/2011 17:12, atriage a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> ...then today's racing didn't necessarily proceed in an advantageous
>>>>>>>>> manner.
>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like "only one TT stage in the Tour" is still one too many for them ...
>>
>>>>>>> Somebody needs to lock them in a wind tunnel with a bicycle for six months.
>>
>>>>>>> --
>>
>>>>>> Much of the time loss seemed to have come from Schleck's tentative
>>>>>> descending, whereas Evans was nailing it in the twistier parts of the
>>>>>> descent. You'd have thought he was riding a crit bike, not a TT bike.
>>
>>>>> It didn't have the curly handlebar but the dropped position is still
>>>>> there. As long as a rider can get his weight forward he is able to
>>>>> control it well at speed. There really isn't a lot of difference once
>>>>> a rider lifts off the saddle and balances the bike into and out of a
>>>>> corner.
>>
>>>> You do know the steering geometry, and therefore the handling, is
>>>> significantly different between a TT bike and regular road bike,
>>>> right?
>>
>>> No! What are these significant differences?
>>
>> A good TT bike is designed to be very stable at speed in a straight or
>> reasonable straight line, stable enough to keep the front end from
>> being too affected by strong cross winds. Bikes that are super stable
>> in a straight line tend not to turn well, not without significant
>> steering input.
>>
>> You can start w/ the trail figures for the fork/headtube angle. Then
>> there's also the typically ever so slightly shorter chainstay, coupled
>> with the significantly steeper seattube angle, placing the weight of
>> the rider much further forward. The much lower bars will put the
>> weight of the rider lower. You may say that once the rider stands on
>> the pedals the seattube angle doesn't matter, but the position of the
>> bars changes everything about the position of the rider's CoG compared
>> to a standard road bike position.
>>
>> Like I said, you can learn to ride a TT bike down a mtn, but I doubt
>> anyone who's not a supreme bike handler could do it well the first
>> time they try as it's not intuitive.
>
> So practicing is somehow beneficial ? What about training ? Does it
> help to train ?

Not to the best of A. Schleck's knowledge.

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TOPIC: Doping thread...or not?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/acd35f1d4b7c8a05?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 8:14 am
From: atriage


On 25/07/2011 16:07, BL wrote:
> On 7/24/2011 9:12 PM, ilan wrote:
>> On Jul 24, 6:23 pm, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>>> So the winners average speed this year is 1.1 mph below LA's 2005 peak (all time
>>> highest) speed but higher than Bertie Dopador's last year. It's 0.1mph below
>>> Pantani's winning average in 1998 when Marco's haemocrit levels were off the
>>> scale
>>> (allegedly).http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/07/news/tour-de-france-winners-an...
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Well, I certainly enjoyed the "Anti-doping experts believe in credible
>> figures" article on CyclingNews
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2011-tour-de-france-the-cleanest-in-recent-years
>>
>> The two remarks I enjoyed most were:
>>
>> 1. riders have appeared to cross the finish line in more obvious
>> states of fatigue than in the recent past.
>>
>> 2. Grappe said he feared future possibilities of "manipulating the
>> muscle fibers, the central nervous system and the tolerance threshold
>> to pain."
>>
>> They are so ludicrous that they don't even need to be explicitly
>> refuted. I find these supposed experts contemptible, and yet they are
>> necessary for my well-being -- I'm so insecure that their mediocrity
>> makes me feel better about myself.
>>
>> -ilan
> Blocking pain, eh. Isn't that something of what amphetamines do? So we will see
> the dopers in future fall off the bike like Simpson. Lovely.

The bookmakers will start offering odds on how far up Ventoux they'll get before
this happens.

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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 10:36 am
From: BL


On 7/25/2011 11:14 AM, atriage wrote:
> On 25/07/2011 16:07, BL wrote:
>> On 7/24/2011 9:12 PM, ilan wrote:
>>> On Jul 24, 6:23 pm, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>>>> So the winners average speed this year is 1.1 mph below LA's 2005
>>>> peak (all time
>>>> highest) speed but higher than Bertie Dopador's last year. It's
>>>> 0.1mph below
>>>> Pantani's winning average in 1998 when Marco's haemocrit levels were
>>>> off the
>>>> scale
>>>> (allegedly).http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/07/news/tour-de-france-winners-an...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Well, I certainly enjoyed the "Anti-doping experts believe in credible
>>> figures" article on CyclingNews
>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2011-tour-de-france-the-cleanest-in-recent-years
>>>
>>>
>>> The two remarks I enjoyed most were:
>>>
>>> 1. riders have appeared to cross the finish line in more obvious
>>> states of fatigue than in the recent past.
>>>
>>> 2. Grappe said he feared future possibilities of "manipulating the
>>> muscle fibers, the central nervous system and the tolerance threshold
>>> to pain."
>>>
>>> They are so ludicrous that they don't even need to be explicitly
>>> refuted. I find these supposed experts contemptible, and yet they are
>>> necessary for my well-being -- I'm so insecure that their mediocrity
>>> makes me feel better about myself.
>>>
>>> -ilan
>> Blocking pain, eh. Isn't that something of what amphetamines do? So we
>> will see
>> the dopers in future fall off the bike like Simpson. Lovely.
>
> The bookmakers will start offering odds on how far up Ventoux they'll
> get before this happens.
>
You got that right. :-)


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 11:51 am
From: RicodJour


On Jul 24, 9:12 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, I certainly enjoyed the "Anti-doping experts believe in credible
> figures" article on CyclingNewshttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2011-tour-de-france-the-cleanest-in-r...
>
> The two remarks I enjoyed most were:
>
> 1. riders have appeared to cross the finish line in more obvious
> states of fatigue than in the recent past.

Holy shit. I just realized that I was a doper in high school! The
lacrosse and soccer (football to the wanker crowd) coach used to have
us do wind sprints at the end of practice. The guy who won the wind
sprint got to stop and go have a nice cool drink from the water
bucket. I was fast, but not the fastest so I saved my energy for the
sprints I could win, but if the coach saw you dogging it, he'd make
you run laps. So I developed a quite convincing Gasp!-I'm-DYING! look
when doing the preliminary sprints. I had no idea that I was covering
up for being a doper.

Maybe acting lessons will become required for dopers so they'll look
convincingly drained at the end of a tough stage.

R


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 12:46 pm
From: Simply Fred


RicodJour wrote:
> Maybe acting lessons will become required for dopers so they'll look
> convincingly drained at the end of a tough stage.

I think they teach that at the LANCE academy in the 2nd semester as the
1st semester is dedicated to The Shit that will Kill them 101.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 1:03 pm
From: atriage


On 25/07/2011 20:46, Simply Fred wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
>> Maybe acting lessons will become required for dopers so they'll look
>> convincingly drained at the end of a tough stage.
>
> I think they teach that at the LANCE academy in the 2nd semester as the 1st
> semester is dedicated to The Shit that will Kill them 101.
>
LMAO.

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TOPIC: The Ride of Shame - Mark Cavendish in 4" heels just like a slut in
Manhattan heading home at 8 AM
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c69456e1ab39719b?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 8:25 am
From: atriage


On 24/07/2011 22:19, Uncle Dave wrote:
> On Jul 24, 4:57 pm, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Looks like they'll give the green points jersey to anyone whether they
>> actually race or just follow the route of the tour in the autobus,
>> stopping for croissants, leisurely riding through the mountains and
>> taking in the scenery.
>>
>> Even getting motorized - Gruber like assists up the hard parts.
>>
>> The gruppetto is an embarrassment to the legitimate riders that finish
>> the Tour by earning the honor rather than by exemption and favor.
>>
>> Throw out this lousy rule and throw out the lousy riders that decide
>> to coast and soft pedal to Paris.
>>
>> I prefer to watch 80 cyclists ride into Paris over 140 dubious
>> achievers.
>
> Although it's always nice to see your fellow countrymen win something,
> I think the decision to make more points available during the stages
> was wrong. Although there is more to HTC than Cavendish, they are the
> only team built around a sprinter. (If there were others they were
> pretty bad at it so forget them.) Making more points so easily
> available to the sprinters has made the green jersey the sprinters'
> jersey. I don't think it was intended to be that, rather it rewarded
> the rider who was consistently highly placed throughout rather than
> just on those stages where the race was decided. A battler. The sort
> of rider I like to see winning it is a Gilbert (or Jalabert indeed
> anyone whose name ends in "lbert") - somebody who tries like fuck and
> blows up on a regular basis because of it. There have been sprinters
> who have won it in the past purely on merit, for example Abdou who
> never enjoyed the kind of team protection that Cavendish does or
> Kelly. The decision to waive the time barrier twice was a travesty
> IMHO. So I agree pretty much entirely with the sentiment here, the
> green jersey definitely got devalued in this Tour to the point where
> it smacks of a fix.
>
> Happily, the cricket was much more exciting

Morning Tuffers [see note 1]

> well anything is more exciting than the last stage in the Tour

You are Magilla and I claim my 3 cents.

> since they added a 100-odd km
> neutralised zone - so I only saw the last few km. Horribly
> predictable mush for the masses.

Nice bit of elitism there, maybe all spectators should be required to be able to
name all the winners of the last 50 editions of Paris-Nice...that would make sense.

Note 1. For the benefit of USAians Tuffers (Phil Tufnell) was an English cricket
player who was a *bit* challenged in the grey matter department. When England
were playing in Australia the Aussie fans used to yell "Hey Tuffers, lend us yer
brain, we're building an idiot"

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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 9:55 am
From: Uncle Dave


On Jul 25, 4:25 pm, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
> On 24/07/2011 22:19, Uncle Dave wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 24, 4:57 pm, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> >> Looks like they'll give the green points jersey to anyone whether they
> >> actually race or just follow the route of the tour in the autobus,
> >> stopping for croissants, leisurely riding through the mountains and
> >> taking in the scenery.
>
> >> Even getting motorized - Gruber like assists up the hard parts.
>
> >> The gruppetto is an embarrassment to the legitimate riders that finish
> >> the Tour by earning the honor rather than by exemption and favor.
>
> >> Throw out this lousy rule and throw out the lousy riders that decide
> >> to coast and soft pedal to Paris.
>
> >> I prefer to watch 80 cyclists ride into Paris over 140 dubious
> >> achievers.
>
> > Although it's always nice to see your fellow countrymen win something,
> > I think the decision to make more points available during the stages
> > was wrong.  Although there is more to HTC than Cavendish, they are the
> > only team built around a sprinter.   (If there were others they were
> > pretty bad at it so forget them.)  Making more points so easily
> > available to the sprinters has made the green jersey the sprinters'
> > jersey.  I don't think it was intended to be that, rather it rewarded
> > the rider who was consistently highly placed throughout rather than
> > just on those stages where the race was decided.  A battler.  The sort
> > of rider I like to see winning it is a Gilbert (or Jalabert indeed
> > anyone whose name ends in "lbert") - somebody who tries like fuck and
> > blows up on a regular basis because of it.  There have been sprinters
> > who have won it in the past purely on merit, for example Abdou who
> > never enjoyed the kind of team protection that Cavendish does or
> > Kelly.  The decision to waive the time barrier twice was a travesty
> > IMHO.  So I agree pretty much entirely with the sentiment here, the
> > green jersey definitely got devalued in this Tour to the point where
> > it smacks of a fix.
>
> > Happily, the cricket was much more exciting
>
> Morning Tuffers [see note 1]
>
> > well anything is more exciting than the last stage in the Tour
>
> You are Magilla and I claim my 3 cents.

So explain to me what is so exciting about watching a bunch of lycra-
clad poofs chatting and swigging champagne whilst leisurely riding
their bikes through the countryside? (And I use the term "poof"
advisedly in a purely illustrative and non-sexual sense.)
>
>  > since they added a 100-odd km
>  > neutralised zone - so I only saw the last few km.  Horribly
>  > predictable mush for the masses.
>
> Nice bit of elitism there, maybe all spectators should be required to be able to
> name all the winners of the last 50 editions of Paris-Nice...that would make sense.

Happily, now that's over we can get back to the real racing in a week
or three. I wonder how many real bike fans turn out on the Tour route
to watch? Not many compared to other races would be my guess. Fair
weather fans making a lot of noise and a nuisance of themselves.

Speaking of the cricket, there's a lot to be said sometimes for not
having any work. Really good game all in all and an exciting and
satisfying end today. I've tried watching baseball on ESPN America
but nobody seems to do anything.

UD

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 1:02 pm
From: atriage


On 25/07/2011 17:55, Uncle Dave wrote:
> > The sort
>> > of rider I like to see winning it is a Gilbert (or Jalabert indeed
>> > anyone whose name ends in "lbert") - somebody who tries like fuck and
>> > blows up on a regular basis because of it. There have been sprinters
>> > who have won it in the past purely on merit, for example Abdou who
>> > never enjoyed the kind of team protection that Cavendish does or
>> > Kelly. The decision to waive the time barrier twice was a travesty
>> > IMHO.

A totally inconsistent statement and indicative of some bias on your
part...here's the punchline:-
Gilbert finished in the bus on stage 19...if you're gonna enforce the cut
consistently then fast Phil wouldn't have been in Paris, along with such other
*minor* luminaries like Fabian Cancellara. Or are you gonna say that a bus with
Fast Phil in it is OK to continue but one with Marvellous Mark isn't for some
reason. Maybe you should write to ASO and explain your thinking. Another thing
[while I'm at it] road cycle racing is a team sport, Cavendish wins sure but who
really wins in HTC Highroad because Frank put together by far the best team for
flat/rolling stages. No arguments please, the results speak for themselves, it's
no good whining that Cavendish is protected....the whole FUCKING point is
exactly that, that's what HTC do.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 1:35 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <8f2dnSe3fYRTF7DTnZ2dnUVZ8m2dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
atriage <atriage@satriage.net> wrote:

> (Phil Tufnell) was an English cricket
> player who was a *bit* challenged in the grey matter department. When England
> were playing in Australia the Aussie fans used to yell "Hey Tuffers, lend us yer
> brain, we're building an idiot"

Didn't his brother, Nigel, play in a heavy metal band?

--
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 1:38 pm
From: Choppy Warburton


On Jul 25, 3:02 pm, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
> On 25/07/2011 17:55, Uncle Dave wrote:
>
> >   >  The sort
> >>  >  of rider I like to see winning it is a Gilbert (or Jalabert indeed
> >>  >  anyone whose name ends in "lbert") - somebody who tries like fuck and
> >>  >  blows up on a regular basis because of it.  There have been sprinters
> >>  >  who have won it in the past purely on merit, for example Abdou who
> >>  >  never enjoyed the kind of team protection that Cavendish does or
> >>  >  Kelly.  The decision to waive the time barrier twice was a travesty
> >>  >  IMHO.
>
> A totally inconsistent statement and indicative of some bias on your
> part...here's the punchline:-
> Gilbert finished in the bus on stage 19...if you're gonna enforce the cut
> consistently then fast Phil wouldn't have been in Paris, along with such other
> *minor* luminaries like Fabian Cancellara. Or are you gonna say that a bus with
> Fast Phil in it is OK to continue but one with Marvellous Mark isn't for some
> reason. Maybe you should write to ASO and explain your thinking. Another thing
> [while I'm at it] road cycle racing is a team sport, Cavendish wins sure but who
> really wins in HTC Highroad because Frank put together by far the best team for
> flat/rolling stages. No arguments please, the results speak for themselves, it's
> no good whining that Cavendish is protected....the whole FUCKING point is
> exactly that, that's what HTC do.

Atriage, you really enjoy the taste of Cavengoo sliding down your
throat.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 1:48 pm
From: atriage


On 25/07/2011 21:38, Choppy Warburton wrote:
> On Jul 25, 3:02 pm, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>> On 25/07/2011 17:55, Uncle Dave wrote:
>>
>>> > The sort
>>>> > of rider I like to see winning it is a Gilbert (or Jalabert indeed
>>>> > anyone whose name ends in "lbert") - somebody who tries like fuck and
>>>> > blows up on a regular basis because of it. There have been sprinters
>>>> > who have won it in the past purely on merit, for example Abdou who
>>>> > never enjoyed the kind of team protection that Cavendish does or
>>>> > Kelly. The decision to waive the time barrier twice was a travesty
>>>> > IMHO.
>>
>> A totally inconsistent statement and indicative of some bias on your
>> part...here's the punchline:-
>> Gilbert finished in the bus on stage 19...if you're gonna enforce the cut
>> consistently then fast Phil wouldn't have been in Paris, along with such other
>> *minor* luminaries like Fabian Cancellara. Or are you gonna say that a bus with
>> Fast Phil in it is OK to continue but one with Marvellous Mark isn't for some
>> reason. Maybe you should write to ASO and explain your thinking. Another thing
>> [while I'm at it] road cycle racing is a team sport, Cavendish wins sure but who
>> really wins in HTC Highroad because Frank put together by far the best team for
>> flat/rolling stages. No arguments please, the results speak for themselves, it's
>> no good whining that Cavendish is protected....the whole FUCKING point is
>> exactly that, that's what HTC do.
>
> Atriage, you really enjoy the taste of Cavengoo sliding down your
> throat.


SIT AND SPIN, FAGGOT BOI

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 9:37 am
From: Dwayne


http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/races11/tdf11/tdf11st21eh-pilsner.jpg


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 10:47 am
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 25, 11:37 am, Dwayne <dwayne_dillh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/races11/tdf11/tdf11st21eh-pilsne...

What is she doing out in the daylight ? She's not supposed to leave
her cave until after midnight.

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TOPIC: Most bizarre moments of final stage
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 9:05 am
From: Ben Trovato


On Jul 24, 5:40 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am not sure how to order these:
>
> 1. Head of France Television sports Daniel Bilalian talking about this
> year's Tour and the inspiring performance of Thierry Voeckler.
>

Did he confound "Thomas Voeckler" and "Thierry Adam"?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 10:46 am
From: Jim Feeley


Ben Trovato <benn.trovato@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 24, 5:40 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am not sure how to order these:
>>
>> 1. Head of France Television sports Daniel Bilalian talking about this
>> year's Tour and the inspiring performance of Thierry Voeckler.
>>
>
> Did he confound "Thomas Voeckler" and "Thierry Adam"?

Thierry Voeckler is the name of a driver for France TV. No relation to
Thomas, but one of his most-valued domestiques.

--
Jim
Jim Feeley
POV Media


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TOPIC: I thought this might happen. Another positive doping test.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 10:16 am
From: atriage


On 25/07/2011 15:02, Choppy Warburton wrote:
> They were planning to do a urine test but it appears she drank it
> thinking it was RedBull and vodka shooter.

Her urine was probably higher proof than most spirits.

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 1:12 pm
From: Ben Trovato


On Jul 25, 5:24 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
> atriage a écrit profondement:
>
> | On 25/07/2011 04:26, ilan wrote:
> | > On Jul 25, 5:14 am, Vagina Gorilla<vaginagori...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> | >>http://tinyurl.com/3sm7f2c
> | >
> | > Fairness dictates waiting for confirmation by the B sample.
> | >
>
> | CAS will wait till she appears in person before making an appeal decision.
>
> No need for that
>
> Marie Stuart, Reine d'Ecosse set a precedeent 500 years ago.
>
> She had Lord Huntley dug up and hauled his ass into court to be found
> Guilty of Treason.
>
> Then she hung the Wanker
>
> No information is available on whether Huntley put up a good defense or
> not
>
> The Parasite Class of Kings, Queens, Dukes etc., of course, are not
> renowned for Grey Matter, but the Stuart Branch takes the Biscuit.
>
> Why ever would a beleagured Catholic Queen in a Nominally Protestant
> Land upset the Huntleys, the Only Catholic family of any Stature in
> HaggisReich who would support her and more importantly have put 10,000
> loyal soldiers at her back when she had only Bothwell's few Borderers
> otherwise to support her when her Bastard, strained through the sheets,
> half Brother, James,  was running her out of HaggisReich for an Up Close
> and Personal Rendezvous in what passed in Elizabethan England as a
> Prototypical Chop-Square??
>
> Go Figure
>
> --
> Davey Crocketthttp://azurservers.com

Mary Stuart hardly set the precedent, she followed one at least
several centuries old, practiced by various popes against their
predecessors. The posthumous trial of the 4th Earl of Huntly after
his death from apoplexy served to forfeit Huntly property to the
Scottish crown, though it was eventually restored to his son, the 5th
Earl.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 1:16 pm
From: Simply Fred


Davey Crockett wrote:
>> No need for that
>> Marie Stuart, Reine d'Ecosse set a precedeent 500 years ago.
>> She had Lord Huntley dug up and hauled his ass into court to be found
>> Guilty of Treason.
>> Then she hung the Wanker

Ben Trovato wrote:
> Mary Stuart hardly set the precedent, she followed one at least
> several centuries old, practiced by various popes against their
> predecessors. The posthumous trial of the 4th Earl of Huntly after
> his death from apoplexy served to forfeit Huntly property to the
> Scottish crown, though it was eventually restored to his son, the 5th
> Earl.

Sounds like the kind of stuff they'd do in Texas or Iran.

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TOPIC: 2011 TDF a boring race
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d19806b313dc8185?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 12:40 pm
From: "FAT"


As bad as the NBA. Turn it on right at the end, tie score, see what
happens. Boring until then.

"Randall" wrote in message
news:90372c91-2a45-4125-830f-0250e76408ca@g5g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

This years TDF was one of the most boring ones I have seen in decades.
This year did not not have a patron and race is less exciting. The
leaders spent most of the tour watching each other. Hopefull we will
see more panache next year.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 12:44 pm
From: atriage


On 25/07/2011 20:40, FAT wrote:
> As bad as the NBA. Turn it on right at the end, tie score, see what happens.
> Boring until then.

Shut the fuck up you top-posting pant-stain.

--

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TOPIC: Crank length selection and seat position. Not just knee over pedal. Is
this correct?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6c8039f828f97835?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 12:59 pm
From: thirty-six


On Jul 25, 3:13 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 25, 12:27 am, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I hypothesise that the correct maximum crank length for any distance
> > rider is that which sets the pedal axle not behind the sit spots made
> > upon the saddle by the ischial projections but as near to it.   The
> > knee should also not pass forward of the pedal axle in the forward
> > position so limiting the smallest size and saddle position.
>
> > The crank length when at the maximum then sets the seat to bottom
> > bracket position very closely. 170mm cranks give me no leeway in
> > position and my seat position is set at 74deg.  This limitation of
> > position causes discomfort in my back after about 5 hours (or less).
> > A 5mm shorter crank permits a 5mm position change on the saddle,
> > necessary to get on the rivet and also useful when climbing.  My other
> > bike allows this mobility and I may ride 8 hours without incident.
> > The position changes are not necessarily concious efforts.
>
> > With accurate measurements of pelvis to knee and knee to pedal spindle
> > then accurate suggestions of crank lengths may be made using
> > trigonometry.
>
> > Have I overlooked something which also would have a bearing on crank
> > length choice not covered by the method I present?
>
> With proper saddle height and cleat position--everything else usually
> falls right into place. A long femur might want the saddle back a cm
> or two, and a short torso might beg for a compact stem. I'm not a
> professional fitter, but there's really no substitute for putting a
> body on a trainer and listening to it.

I've realised that what I have said could be simplified to use cranks
less than half the length of the upper leg and the position will
follow. I've given you the reasons why.
If the cranks are short it gets pretty hard to get sufficiently out
of position to cause a problem but position may need refinement with
crank lengthening. As others have found, handlebar position is not
quite so critical and 10 or 15mm in stem length or height increments
will satisfy all but The Great Eddy. Long cranks however will make
handlebar position more critical (for a distance cyclist) as the
naturally economic leg position is restricted in the saddle.

How do typical Tour riders get on with 172mm cranks steaming up the
Alps? Why, they soak their feet in phosphates each night to grow
their legs longer.

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TOPIC: Market value of Cervelo & BMC
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 1:35 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau


On Jul 24, 10:07 pm, Randall <randall.shim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have any idea of what Cervelo or BMC is worth...? It's
> hard to tell because these are private companies. But I still find it
> hard to believe they can afford to sponsor a pro team. Cervelo is no
> longer a main sponsor however.

As you said, Cervelo is no longer a title sponsor. I think we can
safely assume Garmin has deeper pockets.

http://lavamagazine.com/features/kona/bike-count#axzz1T9KLLD23

The 2010 Ironman bike count* found somewhere close to a million
dollars in Cervelos at the event. 468 bikes, more than 1/4 of the
total. USA Triathlon says they have 135k members, which is way higher
than I expected. So that argues that you're not crazy if you think
Cervelo has sold 30,000 bicycles just to American tri-geeks serious
enough to do at least a sprint Tri.

A little hand-waving suggests to me that their annual sales are
probably in the 10-50 thousand bikes, which is a big range, but only
one order of magnitude. Let's call that annual revenues in the $10-50
million range. I'm probably optimistic, though.

http://www.manta.com/c/mm46ggr/trek-usa

This profile of Trek says they're a company with revenues in the
$20-50 million range. I'm almost certain Cervelo isn't as big as Trek.
I'd assume then that 10,000 bicycles and $10 million annual revenue is
closer to the truth than $50 million.

Either figure is probably not enough to be the sponsor of a ProTour
team. They run in the range of $10 million annual budgets, I think.
($6M for a cheap team?) Title sponsor is probably most of that cost. I
don't think Cervelo could spend so much of its annual revenues on a
ProTour sponsorship, and they said as much when they "merged" with
Garmin. But also, the Cervelo Test Team was a Pro Continental team,
not full ProTour.

Conclusions: CEO/DS Vaughters is running a business on the same
revenue-scale as Cervelo co-founders Vroomen and White, though a very
different sort of company (Garmin-Cervelo has, in a way, 30 customers
(its sponsors), and maybe 5 of those are really crucial to its
existence).

Pro cycling teams are really big fundraising entities, more or less
acting as conduits of sponsor money towards rider salaries and racing
expenses. It's probably one of those businesses where you think that
one thing (bike racing) matters, and in fact your day-to-day business
turns out to be sponsor seduction.

Rihs' milkshake brings all the sponsors to the yard,

*I only follow this survey in search of tri-mocking fodder.

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TOPIC: Magilla hasn't earned the red most combative monkey even once this year
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 1:41 pm
From: Choppy Warburton


Magilla's found something better to do than obsess
> over someone who hasn't been relevant in 6 years.

Liz Hatch ?


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Today there are 77 million old people in India. This number is likely
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90% of the older people are from unorganized sector with no social
security.
40% of the old live below poverty line.
75% of the old are from the rural areas.
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73% of the old are illiterate.

Longevity has been one of the greatest achievements of the 20th
century. There are older people today than ever before and their
number is on the increase.The last century was also responsible for
rapid industrialization and urbanization. In India these developments
brought about major changes in our social structure. The centuries old
joint family system has disintegrated - with it collapsed the safety
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Issues

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73% of the 60+ age group in India are illiterate with a little access
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Shelters

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www.indianngos.com/issue/agecare.htm

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In a country like India where familial relationships are held in high
regard, crime & abuse against the elderly is rarely talked about. But
more & more elderly like are finding the courage to come out in the
open and highlight what is an extremely closeted and complex
phenomenon: Elder Abuse.

Each year HelpAge focuses on the issue and has driven home the
importance of safety and security of our elders. This year to raise
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marked in Delhi, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, West Bengal,
Goa, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat & Haryana.

In the national capital an interactive discussion was held with the
senior citizens of Delhi. Dr. Kiran Bedi, first and highest ranking
woman officer of the IPS, was the chief guest at the event. She signed
in her support along with Dr. Shyamlha Pappu, Sr. Advocate of the
Supreme Court & Member of Law Commission of India and Mr. M.M.
Sabharwal, President Emeritus, HelpAge India. They all wore badges
which said "Say No to Elder Abuse" as part of HelpAge India's silent
advocacy. Giving the police perspective was Additional DCP (General
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take action to make the city safer for senior citizens and to
encourage senior citizens to empower themselves against their own
vulnerability.

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members of the society, so one could keep a tab on the implementation
of promises made by policy & decision makers.

Pre-event research done by the organization brought out the startling
fact that the crime against elders in Delhi is more than double than
that in Bangalore and four times more in Mumbai. Of the total cases of
crime against senior citizens registered in Delhi, the highest form of
crime was hurting a senior (42.2%) followed closely murder (35.5%) and
then robbery (13.3%).

The outcome of the drive was tremendous in the national capital and
within a week's time Mr. Y.S. Dadwal, Delhi Police Commissioner,
announced a Security Drive for the Senior Citizens of Delhi, which
included:

Our role is that of an enabler between two groups of people.

◦A comprehensive security audit for senior citizens homes.

◦an inspector in each of the 130 stations in the city to be put in
charge of this drive who will be the nodal officer who will prepare
the audit report and inform the district DCP's.

◦All police stations have been instructed to ensure that seniors are
not harassed by property dealers and land sharks.

◦The police will help senior citizens to install basic security
equipment like door chains, magic eye, safety locks, iron grills etc.
by liaisoning with the contractors for the equipment.

◦A major focus will be on servant verification with the aim to verify
80% of domestic help by end of drive.
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Hi. Could someone give me access to articles below ?

5200 year old acupuncture in central Europe ?
Dorfer, Leopold; Moser, Maximilian; Spindler, Konrad; Bahr, Frank;
Egarter-Vigl, Eduard; Dohr, Gottfried
Science, Vol. 282, Iss. 5387, p. 239 (1998)
doi: 10.1126/science.282.5387.239f


The role of acupuncture in the management of subfertility
Fertility and Sterility Volume 90 , Issue 1 , Pages 1-13, July 2008
doi:10.1016/j.fertnstert.2008.02.094
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* Crank length selection and seat position. Not just knee over pedal. Is this
correct? - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6c8039f828f97835?hl=en
* 2011 TDF a boring race - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d19806b313dc8185?hl=en
* I thought this might happen. Another positive doping test. - 5 messages, 4
authors
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* Cardboard cutout makes podium - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* `HOT SEXY PHOTOS&VIDEOS**** - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* If your name is Schleck... - 4 messages, 4 authors
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TOPIC: Crank length selection and seat position. Not just knee over pedal. Is
this correct?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6c8039f828f97835?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 24 2011 11:06 pm
From: Chalo


thirty-six wrote:
>
> I hypothesise that the correct maximum crank length for any distance
> rider is that which sets the pedal axle not behind the sit spots made
> upon the saddle by the ischial projections but as near to it.  

Since the rising leg isn't doing much work (negative work most of the
time), I don't see how it makes much difference how far back the
rising pedal is.

> The
> knee should also not pass forward of the pedal axle in the forward
> position so limiting the smallest size and saddle position.

I don't know that this matters either, except inasmuch as a crank can
be too short by other measures and might also exhibit this trait.

Chalo


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 4:19 am
From: thirty-six


On Jul 25, 7:06 am, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
> thirty-six wrote:
>
> > I hypothesise that the correct maximum crank length for any distance
> > rider is that which sets the pedal axle not behind the sit spots made
> > upon the saddle by the ischial projections but as near to it.  
>
> Since the rising leg isn't doing much work (negative work most of the
> time), I don't see how it makes much difference how far back the
> rising pedal is.

The little difference it does make should improve efficiency because
the limbs are not being contorted through unnatural angles, with
associated ligament and tendon strain nor has the rider a need to
supply energy to counter this strain (when clipped in) or keep his
feet placed securely on the pedals.
>
> > The
> > knee should also not pass forward of the pedal axle in the forward
> > position so limiting the smallest size and saddle position.
>
> I don't know that this matters either, except inasmuch as a crank can
> be too short by other measures and might also exhibit this trait.

To keep the joint mobilty within normal ranges and a knee forward of
the pedal axle in it's forward postion requires the rider to supply
additional energy to stop himself rocking forward on the seat when
pressing on. With the knee above or behind he stays firmly planted in
the seat without the wasteful rocking to and fro.

I thank you for your response, could you please elaborate on what
measures a bicycle crank can be too short?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 7:13 am
From: landotter


On Jul 25, 12:27 am, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> I hypothesise that the correct maximum crank length for any distance
> rider is that which sets the pedal axle not behind the sit spots made
> upon the saddle by the ischial projections but as near to it.   The
> knee should also not pass forward of the pedal axle in the forward
> position so limiting the smallest size and saddle position.
>
> The crank length when at the maximum then sets the seat to bottom
> bracket position very closely. 170mm cranks give me no leeway in
> position and my seat position is set at 74deg.  This limitation of
> position causes discomfort in my back after about 5 hours (or less).
> A 5mm shorter crank permits a 5mm position change on the saddle,
> necessary to get on the rivet and also useful when climbing.  My other
> bike allows this mobility and I may ride 8 hours without incident.
> The position changes are not necessarily concious efforts.
>
> With accurate measurements of pelvis to knee and knee to pedal spindle
> then accurate suggestions of crank lengths may be made using
> trigonometry.
>
> Have I overlooked something which also would have a bearing on crank
> length choice not covered by the method I present?

With proper saddle height and cleat position--everything else usually
falls right into place. A long femur might want the saddle back a cm
or two, and a short torso might beg for a compact stem. I'm not a
professional fitter, but there's really no substitute for putting a
body on a trainer and listening to it.

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TOPIC: 2011 TDF a boring race
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d19806b313dc8185?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 12:26 am
From: Uncle Dave


On Jul 25, 4:44 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
> Randall a écrit profondement:
>
> | This years TDF was one of the most boring ones I have seen in decades.
> | This year did not not have a patron and race is less exciting. The
> | leaders spent most of the tour watching each other. Hopefull we will
> | see more panache next year.
>
> You sure got that right
>
> It's much more exciting watching a bunch of domestiques pushing the
> likes of Pharmstrong around the course in a wheelchair.

LOL

UD


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 12:32 am
From: Uncle Dave


On Jul 25, 6:12 am, Randall <randall.shim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 24, 10:02 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <d80e458c-9354-4979-b74a-bc0da2aad...@e20g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >  Randall <randall.shim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 24, 9:06 pm, Nagurski <nagur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jul 24, 7:09 pm, Randall <randall.shim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > This years TDF was one of the most boring ones I have seen in decades.
> > > > > This year did not not have a patron and race is less exciting. The
> > > > > leaders spent most of the tour watching each other. Hopefull we will
> > > > > see more panache next year.
>
> > > I was hoping to see more attacks from the  favorites this year. The
> > > 1989 TDF was one the most exciting because Lemond & Fignon were
> > > attacking each other all the time. The leaders spent 99% of the time
> > > to see who would weaken. Sure we saw Contador and Andy Schleck attack
> > > in the alps, but it's still a bit mundane in terms of tour history.
>
> Well at least in this years TDF they did. When Hinault & Indurain they
> did not.

The years that Hinault dominated were competitive, though not much,
but the Indurain years were just awful. He had the best drugs, sorry
lungs, and he rode like an automaton while nobody else around him did
anything much. Such a shame his lungs stoped being so big just when
they discovered a meaningful test for EPOS. For non-yanks the
Armstrong years were almost as bad. At least this year we saw some
proper racing. Surely, if the winner isn't decided till the last
couple of days that has to indicate good racing? Certainly, just
about everyone they interviewed on Eurosport thought it was the best
race for years, as did the commentators. I'm not a big fan of the
Tour, preferring to watch real racing, but I thought it was a lot
better than it has bee for years and had it on every day. Haven't
done that for about fifteen years.

UD


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 3:28 am
From: Simply Fred


Uncle Dave wrote:
> The years that Hinault dominated were competitive, though not much,
> but the Indurain years were just awful. He had the best drugs, sorry
> lungs, and he rode like an automaton while nobody else around him did
> anything much. Such a shame his lungs stoped being so big just when
> they discovered a meaningful test for EPOS.

There was a meaningful test for EPO in 1996 ?

Those were the glory years for Ugromov and Riis et al.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 3:35 am
From: atriage


On 25/07/2011 11:28, Simply Fred wrote:
> Uncle Dave wrote:
>> The years that Hinault dominated were competitive, though not much,
>> but the Indurain years were just awful. He had the best drugs, sorry
>> lungs, and he rode like an automaton while nobody else around him did
>> anything much. Such a shame his lungs stoped being so big just when
>> they discovered a meaningful test for EPOS.
>
> There was a meaningful test for EPO in 1996 ?
>

No doubt racing history and the list of winners would be *quite* different if
their actually had been.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 1:32 am
From: atriage


On 25/07/2011 04:26, ilan wrote:
> On Jul 25, 5:14 am, Vagina Gorilla<vaginagori...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/3sm7f2c
>
> Fairness dictates waiting for confirmation by the B sample.
>

CAS will wait till she appears in person before making an appeal decision.

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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 5:24 am
From: Davey Crockett


atriage a écrit profondement:

| On 25/07/2011 04:26, ilan wrote:
| > On Jul 25, 5:14 am, Vagina Gorilla<vaginagori...@gmail.com> wrote:
| >> http://tinyurl.com/3sm7f2c
| >
| > Fairness dictates waiting for confirmation by the B sample.
| >
>
| CAS will wait till she appears in person before making an appeal decision.

No need for that

Marie Stuart, Reine d'Ecosse set a precedeent 500 years ago.

She had Lord Huntley dug up and hauled his ass into court to be found
Guilty of Treason.

Then she hung the Wanker

No information is available on whether Huntley put up a good defense or
not

The Parasite Class of Kings, Queens, Dukes etc., of course, are not
renowned for Grey Matter, but the Stuart Branch takes the Biscuit.

Why ever would a beleagured Catholic Queen in a Nominally Protestant
Land upset the Huntleys, the Only Catholic family of any Stature in
HaggisReich who would support her and more importantly have put 10,000
loyal soldiers at her back when she had only Bothwell's few Borderers
otherwise to support her when her Bastard, strained through the sheets,
half Brother, James, was running her out of HaggisReich for an Up Close
and Personal Rendezvous in what passed in Elizabethan England as a
Prototypical Chop-Square??

Go Figure


--
Davey Crockett
http://azurservers.com


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 7:02 am
From: Choppy Warburton


They were planning to do a urine test but it appears she drank it
thinking it was RedBull and vodka shooter.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 8:04 am
From: BL


On 7/25/2011 8:24 AM, Davey Crockett wrote:
> atriage a écrit profondement:
>
> | On 25/07/2011 04:26, ilan wrote:
> |> On Jul 25, 5:14 am, Vagina Gorilla<vaginagori...@gmail.com> wrote:
> |>> http://tinyurl.com/3sm7f2c
> |>
> |> Fairness dictates waiting for confirmation by the B sample.
> |>
>>
> | CAS will wait till she appears in person before making an appeal decision.
>
> No need for that
>
> Marie Stuart, Reine d'Ecosse set a precedeent 500 years ago.
>
> She had Lord Huntley dug up and hauled his ass into court to be found
> Guilty of Treason.
>
> Then she hung the Wanker
>
> No information is available on whether Huntley put up a good defense or
> not
>
> The Parasite Class of Kings, Queens, Dukes etc., of course, are not
> renowned for Grey Matter, but the Stuart Branch takes the Biscuit.
>
> Why ever would a beleagured Catholic Queen in a Nominally Protestant
> Land upset the Huntleys, the Only Catholic family of any Stature in
> HaggisReich who would support her and more importantly have put 10,000
> loyal soldiers at her back when she had only Bothwell's few Borderers
> otherwise to support her when her Bastard, strained through the sheets,
> half Brother, James, was running her out of HaggisReich for an Up Close
> and Personal Rendezvous in what passed in Elizabethan England as a
> Prototypical Chop-Square??
>
> Go Figure
>
>
Thanks for the memory. I have a vague recollection of this event from a
course in high school too many years ago.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 8:07 am
From: atriage


On 25/07/2011 13:24, Davey Crockett wrote:
> atriage a écrit profondement:
>
> | On 25/07/2011 04:26, ilan wrote:
> |> On Jul 25, 5:14 am, Vagina Gorilla<vaginagori...@gmail.com> wrote:
> |>> http://tinyurl.com/3sm7f2c
> |>
> |> Fairness dictates waiting for confirmation by the B sample.
> |>
>>
> | CAS will wait till she appears in person before making an appeal decision.
>
> No need for that
>
> Marie Stuart, Reine d'Ecosse set a precedeent 500 years ago.
>
> She had Lord Huntley dug up and hauled his ass into court to be found
> Guilty of Treason.
>
> Then she hung the Wanker

Och that'll larn the bastad.

> No information is available on whether Huntley put up a good defense or
> not
>
> The Parasite Class of Kings, Queens, Dukes etc., of course, are not
> renowned for Grey Matter, but the Stuart Branch takes the Biscuit.
>
> Why ever would a beleagured Catholic Queen in a Nominally Protestant
> Land upset the Huntleys, the Only Catholic family of any Stature in
> HaggisReich

HaggisReich, I like that.

> who would support her and more importantly have put 10,000
> loyal soldiers at her back when she had only Bothwell's few Borderers
> otherwise to support her when her Bastard, strained through the sheets,
> half Brother, James, was running her out of HaggisReich for an Up Close
> and Personal Rendezvous in what passed in Elizabethan England as a
> Prototypical Chop-Square??
>
> Go Figure

Probably not worth the effort..."History is bunkum"...(Henry Ford I believe).

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TOPIC: Cardboard cutout makes podium
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 2:57 am
From: atriage


On 24/07/2011 22:47, DirtRoadie wrote:
> On Jul 24, 3:21 pm, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>> No not Schleck.http://www.bicycling.com/tour-de-france/home/garmin-takes-home-tours-...
>> --
>
> That's funny!
> Add the caption "Injured Zabriskie is speechless on the podium"

Garmin soigneur says Zabriskie extremely stiff before presentation.
--


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 3:29 am
From: Simply Fred


DirtRoadie wrote:
>> That's funny!
>> Add the caption "Injured Zabriskie is speechless on the podium"

atriage wrote:
> Garmin soigneur says Zabriskie extremely stiff before presentation.

He must be a cardboard character.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 4:52 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jul 25, 12:29 pm, Simply Fred <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> DirtRoadie wrote:
> >> That's funny!
> >> Add the caption "Injured Zabriskie is speechless on the podium"
> atriage wrote:
> > Garmin soigneur says Zabriskie extremely stiff before presentation.
>
> He must be a cardboard character.

You mean "premium figurine."

Thanks,
Fredmaster Ben

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TOPIC: `HOT SEXY PHOTOS&VIDEOS****
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 2:51 am
From: 143


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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 5:35 am
From: Davey Crockett


143 a écrit profondement:

Hey WOG, did you ever hear the one about the Nice British Gentleman who
put a HIT on his Swedish Wife on their Honeymoon?

Take a look, I can't quite make up my mind if he's from Yorkshire,
Lancashire or Stinking Karachi

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/1207/20101207__20101208_A11_ND08SAFRICA~p1.JPG


--
Davey Crockett
Flying the Flag of the English
The Flag of Hengest and Horsa
http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg

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TOPIC: If your name is Schleck...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e2cf8420a23a7787?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 4:23 am
From: thirty-six


On Jul 23, 11:37 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 3:37 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 5:48 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 23, 9:48 am, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On 23/07/2011 16:40, Adama wrote:
>
> > > > > Le 23/07/2011 17:12, atriage a écrit :
> > > > >> ...then today's racing didn't necessarily proceed in an advantageous
> > > > >> manner.
>
> > > > > Looks like "only one TT stage in the Tour" is still one too many for them ...
>
> > > > Somebody needs to lock them in a wind tunnel with a bicycle for six months.
>
> > > > --
>
> > > Much of the time loss seemed to have come from Schleck's tentative
> > > descending, whereas Evans was nailing it in the twistier parts of the
> > > descent.  You'd have thought he was riding a crit bike, not a TT bike.
>
> > It didn't have the curly handlebar but the dropped position is still
> > there.  As long as a rider can get his weight forward he is able to
> > control it well at speed.  There really isn't a lot of difference once
> > a rider lifts off the saddle and balances the bike into and out of a
> > corner.
>
> You do know the steering geometry, and therefore the handling, is
> significantly different between a TT bike and regular road bike,
> right?

No! What are these significant differences?

>
> Can you make a TT bike corner well?  Sure, if you know what you're
> doing.  That was the whole frikkin' point of the post, dumbass... that
> Evans knew what he was doing and Schleck did not.
>
> Geez, pay attention.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 6:10 am
From: Scott


On Jul 25, 5:23 am, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 11:37 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 3:37 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 23, 5:48 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 23, 9:48 am, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 23/07/2011 16:40, Adama wrote:
>
> > > > > > Le 23/07/2011 17:12, atriage a écrit :
> > > > > >> ...then today's racing didn't necessarily proceed in an advantageous
> > > > > >> manner.
>
> > > > > > Looks like "only one TT stage in the Tour" is still one too many for them ...
>
> > > > > Somebody needs to lock them in a wind tunnel with a bicycle for six months.
>
> > > > > --
>
> > > > Much of the time loss seemed to have come from Schleck's tentative
> > > > descending, whereas Evans was nailing it in the twistier parts of the
> > > > descent.  You'd have thought he was riding a crit bike, not a TT bike.
>
> > > It didn't have the curly handlebar but the dropped position is still
> > > there.  As long as a rider can get his weight forward he is able to
> > > control it well at speed.  There really isn't a lot of difference once
> > > a rider lifts off the saddle and balances the bike into and out of a
> > > corner.
>
> > You do know the steering geometry, and therefore the handling, is
> > significantly different between a TT bike and regular road bike,
> > right?
>
> No!  What are these significant differences?
>

A good TT bike is designed to be very stable at speed in a straight or
reasonable straight line, stable enough to keep the front end from
being too affected by strong cross winds. Bikes that are super stable
in a straight line tend not to turn well, not without significant
steering input.

You can start w/ the trail figures for the fork/headtube angle. Then
there's also the typically ever so slightly shorter chainstay, coupled
with the significantly steeper seattube angle, placing the weight of
the rider much further forward. The much lower bars will put the
weight of the rider lower. You may say that once the rider stands on
the pedals the seattube angle doesn't matter, but the position of the
bars changes everything about the position of the rider's CoG compared
to a standard road bike position.

Like I said, you can learn to ride a TT bike down a mtn, but I doubt
anyone who's not a supreme bike handler could do it well the first
time they try as it's not intuitive.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 7:01 am
From: Choppy Warburton


On Jul 25, 8:10 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 25, 5:23 am, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 11:37 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 23, 3:37 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 23, 5:48 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 23, 9:48 am, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 23/07/2011 16:40, Adama wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Le 23/07/2011 17:12, atriage a écrit :
> > > > > > >> ...then today's racing didn't necessarily proceed in an advantageous
> > > > > > >> manner.
>
> > > > > > > Looks like "only one TT stage in the Tour" is still one too many for them ...
>
> > > > > > Somebody needs to lock them in a wind tunnel with a bicycle for six months.
>
> > > > > > --
>
> > > > > Much of the time loss seemed to have come from Schleck's tentative
> > > > > descending, whereas Evans was nailing it in the twistier parts of the
> > > > > descent.  You'd have thought he was riding a crit bike, not a TT bike.
>
> > > > It didn't have the curly handlebar but the dropped position is still
> > > > there.  As long as a rider can get his weight forward he is able to
> > > > control it well at speed.  There really isn't a lot of difference once
> > > > a rider lifts off the saddle and balances the bike into and out of a
> > > > corner.
>
> > > You do know the steering geometry, and therefore the handling, is
> > > significantly different between a TT bike and regular road bike,
> > > right?
>
> > No!  What are these significant differences?
>
> A good TT bike is designed to be very stable at speed in a straight or
> reasonable straight line, stable enough to keep the front end from
> being too affected by strong cross winds.  Bikes that are super stable
> in a straight line tend not to turn well, not without significant
> steering input.
>
> You can start w/ the trail figures for the fork/headtube angle.  Then
> there's also the typically ever so slightly shorter chainstay, coupled
> with the significantly steeper seattube angle, placing the weight of
> the rider much further forward.  The much lower bars will put the
> weight of the rider lower.  You may say that once the rider stands on
> the pedals the seattube angle doesn't matter, but the position of the
> bars changes everything about the position of the rider's CoG compared
> to a standard road bike position.
>
> Like I said, you can learn to ride a TT bike down a mtn, but I doubt
> anyone who's not a supreme bike handler could do it well the first
> time they try as it's not intuitive.

So practicing is somehow beneficial ? What about training ? Does it
help to train ?


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 8:11 am
From: atriage


On 25/07/2011 15:01, Choppy Warburton wrote:
> On Jul 25, 8:10 am, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 25, 5:23 am, thirty-six<thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 11:37 pm, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jul 23, 3:37 pm, thirty-six<thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Jul 23, 5:48 pm, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Jul 23, 9:48 am, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On 23/07/2011 16:40, Adama wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Le 23/07/2011 17:12, atriage a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> ...then today's racing didn't necessarily proceed in an advantageous
>>>>>>>>> manner.
>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like "only one TT stage in the Tour" is still one too many for them ...
>>
>>>>>>> Somebody needs to lock them in a wind tunnel with a bicycle for six months.
>>
>>>>>>> --
>>
>>>>>> Much of the time loss seemed to have come from Schleck's tentative
>>>>>> descending, whereas Evans was nailing it in the twistier parts of the
>>>>>> descent. You'd have thought he was riding a crit bike, not a TT bike.
>>
>>>>> It didn't have the curly handlebar but the dropped position is still
>>>>> there. As long as a rider can get his weight forward he is able to
>>>>> control it well at speed. There really isn't a lot of difference once
>>>>> a rider lifts off the saddle and balances the bike into and out of a
>>>>> corner.
>>
>>>> You do know the steering geometry, and therefore the handling, is
>>>> significantly different between a TT bike and regular road bike,
>>>> right?
>>
>>> No! What are these significant differences?
>>
>> A good TT bike is designed to be very stable at speed in a straight or
>> reasonable straight line, stable enough to keep the front end from
>> being too affected by strong cross winds. Bikes that are super stable
>> in a straight line tend not to turn well, not without significant
>> steering input.
>>
>> You can start w/ the trail figures for the fork/headtube angle. Then
>> there's also the typically ever so slightly shorter chainstay, coupled
>> with the significantly steeper seattube angle, placing the weight of
>> the rider much further forward. The much lower bars will put the
>> weight of the rider lower. You may say that once the rider stands on
>> the pedals the seattube angle doesn't matter, but the position of the
>> bars changes everything about the position of the rider's CoG compared
>> to a standard road bike position.
>>
>> Like I said, you can learn to ride a TT bike down a mtn, but I doubt
>> anyone who's not a supreme bike handler could do it well the first
>> time they try as it's not intuitive.
>
> So practicing is somehow beneficial ? What about training ? Does it
> help to train ?

The best way to learn to ride a TT bike downhill is to change your name to
Fabian and go live in Switzerland.

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TOPIC: Market value of Cervelo & BMC
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 4:30 am
From: Victor Kan


On Jul 25, 1:07 am, Randall <randall.shim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have any idea of what Cervelo or BMC is worth...? It's
> hard to tell because these are private companies. But I still find it
> hard to believe they can afford to sponsor a pro team. Cervelo is no
> longer a main sponsor however.

IIRC, BMC bikes and the team were co-founded by Andy Rihs who also co-
founded Phonak (which interestingly changed their corporate name in
2007), which has a 6.4B (US$) market cap:

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=882368

So I would guess that Rihs is comparable in wealth to Bob Stapleton
who owns Highroad and funded (or still funds?) the team out of his own
pocket.

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TOPIC: Cuisine for RBR Regulars on final day of Tour de France
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae04618c4c093624?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 5:31 am
From: "A. Dumas"


Simply Fred wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> Also, I have to say that as much as I tip the hat to any pro, and
>> understand that finishing high on GC is an enormous achievement,
>> nobody really gives a shit about top-10 GC placings.
>
> It does help with contract negotiations.

Yes. Points matter to teams.

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TOPIC: I hope Cadel Evans doesn't win
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c2e175eb616977e1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 7:08 am
From: Choppy Warburton


On Jul 21, 1:22 pm, Vagina Gorilla <vaginagori...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't stand to see all of that crying

I'd hate to see him watch "Ol Yeller" or Beaches - I hear Cadel is
quite the fan of Bette Midler.

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TOPIC: Doping thread...or not?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/acd35f1d4b7c8a05?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 8:07 am
From: BL


On 7/24/2011 9:12 PM, ilan wrote:
> On Jul 24, 6:23 pm, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>> So the winners average speed this year is 1.1 mph below LA's 2005 peak (all time
>> highest) speed but higher than Bertie Dopador's last year. It's 0.1mph below
>> Pantani's winning average in 1998 when Marco's haemocrit levels were off the
>> scale (allegedly).http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/07/news/tour-de-france-winners-an...
>> --
>
> Well, I certainly enjoyed the "Anti-doping experts believe in credible
> figures" article on CyclingNews
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2011-tour-de-france-the-cleanest-in-recent-years
>
> The two remarks I enjoyed most were:
>
> 1. riders have appeared to cross the finish line in more obvious
> states of fatigue than in the recent past.
>
> 2. Grappe said he feared future possibilities of "manipulating the
> muscle fibers, the central nervous system and the tolerance threshold
> to pain."
>
> They are so ludicrous that they don't even need to be explicitly
> refuted. I find these supposed experts contemptible, and yet they are
> necessary for my well-being -- I'm so insecure that their mediocrity
> makes me feel better about myself.
>
> -ilan
Blocking pain, eh. Isn't that something of what amphetamines do? So we
will see the dopers in future fall off the bike like Simpson. Lovely.


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