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[socialactionfoundationforequity:14107 Fwd: India's Fastest Multi-Billionaire.

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Sharma ji,

Please see this link and video of the same dynasty .....

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:14107 If the person who killed 90+ people in Norway was a Muslim

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If the person who killed 90+ people in Norway was a Muslim, the Press would have declared him as terrorist and the act as terrorism. For now, he is just an "Assailant", "Attacker" (Reuters), "Gunman" (BBC, CNN & Al Jazeera). Looks like "Terrorist" is a name reserved for Muslims???. The US Dept of State calls it an "Act of violence" (not an "Act of Terrorism"). [copied]

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Dear Friends;

Please help. I need full text for the below mentioned reference.

Methods for the analysis of the saffron metabolites crocin, crocetins,
picrocrocin and safranal for the determination of the quality of the
spice using thin-layer chromatography, high-performance liquid
chromatography and gas chromatography Original Research Article
Journal of Chromatography A, Volume 624, Issues 1-2, 30 October 1992,
Pages 497-502
V. Sujata, G.A. Ravishankar, L.V. Venkataraman

doi:10.1016/0021-9673(92)85699-T

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Re: Medarticles Need Help for articles

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From: anandkumarreddy <anandkumarreddy@gmail.com>
To: medarticles@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 27 July, 2011 9:03:04 PM
Subject: Re: Medarticles Need Help for articles

All sent

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On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Dharmender Rathee <rathee_dharmender04@yahoo.com> wrote:
Plz help in finding these articles
 
 
1. Anticancer Agents Med Chem. 2006 Nov;6(6):503-12.

Tumor physiology and delivery of nanopharmaceuticals.

 

2. Nanopharmaceuticals I: nanocarrier systems in drug delivery

 
3. Nanopharmaceuticals II: application of nanoparticles and nanocarrier systems in pharmaceutics and nanomedicine

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Re: Medarticles Need Help for articles

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On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Dharmender Rathee <rathee_dharmender04@yahoo.com> wrote:
Plz help in finding these articles
 
 
1. Anticancer Agents Med Chem. 2006 Nov;6(6):503-12.

Tumor physiology and delivery of nanopharmaceuticals.

 

2. Nanopharmaceuticals I: nanocarrier systems in drug delivery

 
3. Nanopharmaceuticals II: application of nanoparticles and nanocarrier systems in pharmaceutics and nanomedicine

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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* I didn't dream this - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c3911a80efcc65e3?hl=en
* Cadel's drug test results.. - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ab0df9dabf534128?hl=en
* Photos of Armstrong In Grenoble and/or Paris - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8f20bc81b62ad48c?hl=en
* Market value of Cervelo & BMC - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9e4f5f2b3efb3b81?hl=en
* Contador - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f0bc53933ae697d0?hl=en
* So much for Michael Ball's empire - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ef0a9623d3e77943?hl=en
* 2011 TDF a boring race - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d19806b313dc8185?hl=en
* Most bizarre moments of final stage - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7107ac85e5422ced?hl=en
* If your name is Schleck... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e2cf8420a23a7787?hl=en
* The Ride of Shame - Mark Cavendish in 4" heels just like a slut in Manhattan
heading home at 8 AM - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c69456e1ab39719b?hl=en
* ADULT SEX PHOTOS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bbd15cce43c98d5b?hl=en

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TOPIC: I didn't dream this
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c3911a80efcc65e3?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 26 2011 8:32 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<254e5ab7-79d2-4048-be5d-6c8bb7840668@q11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 6:26 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 26, 1:37 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/07/2011_tour_de_france_part_2.h...
> >
> > > Also photo 11 is maybe the best of the Tour this year.
> >
> > I was hoping you wouldn't choose this one:http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/...
> >
> > Some very good desktop backgrounds in those pictures.  Thanks for
> > posting the link.
> >
> > What was up with the guy in the background of the picture you posted?
> > He's grabbing his crotch while looking at those two burly guys dressed
> > up as hooker nurses or whatever they were supposed to be.
>
> One "naughty" nurse, one Smurfette. I can't account for the guy in the
> background, but that's as likely to be an ill-timed "adjustment" as
> anything else, or even an absentminded funny-looking hand placement.
>
> Or he's, um, saluting the riders.

He's staring at the one in whites.

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 12:08 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jul 27, 3:08 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> Brad Anders wrote:
> > On Jul 26, 7:35 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> >> Brad Anders wrote:
> >>> Great photos, love #27, only got to see that from behind on the TV
> >>> coverage.
> >> I love the caption, more or less justifying the strike: "Alberto
> >> Contador punches a spectator dressed in medical garb who had been
> >> running alongside him sticking a stethoscope in Contador's face as he
> >> climbed Alpe d'Huez during the 19th stage on July 22, 2011."
>
> > Reminded me of Armstrong offing that guy with the double syringes.
>
> He didn't come as close, did he? And that was on a wide, uncrowded road.
> Contador had no way of avoiding this nut.

If you're close enough to be pushed over by a straight-arm
from an anorexic oatmeal-weigher trying to balance on
two 23mm tires (21mm? whatever), you may be too close.

Anyway, Armstrong just knocked that guy over because his
double-syringe pitchfork and outfit was infringing on
Didi Senft's trademark. Armstrong, whatever else you can
say about him, understands the importance of defending
one's brand.

This photo is enough to make me forgive Contador for all
those silly Pistolero gestures at finish lines.

Fredmaster Ben


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 4:31 am
From: "A. Dumas"


Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Jul 27, 3:08 am, A. Dumas wrote:
>> He didn't come as close, did he? And that was on a wide, uncrowded road.
>> Contador had no way of avoiding this nut.
>
> If you're close enough to be pushed over by a straight-arm
> from an anorexic oatmeal-weigher trying to balance on
> two 23mm tires (21mm? whatever), you may be too close.

Both are true, I think: syringe guy did come close, maybe too close,
although the syringe image was probably more offensive than his
proximity, but stethoscope guy came closer by pushing the thing into his
face.

Syringe guy may have been more threatening because he was running very
awkwardly in his restricting costume, on a snow bank, in danger of
falling into the peloton.

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TOPIC: Cadel's drug test results..
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ab0df9dabf534128?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 26 2011 7:52 pm
From: Phil H


On Jul 26, 8:21 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> When do we get Cadel's blood test results?
>
> We learned with Landis, to wait a while to see who really won, no?

Some say we are still waiting, yes?
Phil H


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 7:55 am
From: John Dacey


On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:52:59 -0700 (PDT), Phil H <pholman50@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 26, 8:21�am, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> When do we get Cadel's blood test results?
>>
>> We learned with Landis, to wait a while to see who really won, no?
>
>Some say we are still waiting, yes?
>Phil H

Leaked information from the French labratory suggest that a yet
unnamed rider from Stage 20 may have tested positive for Vegemite.
B-sample results are pending.

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 7:59 am
From: Simply Fred


John Dacey wrote:
> Leaked information from the French labratory suggest that a yet
> unnamed rider from Stage 20 may have tested positive for Vegemite.
> B-sample results are pending.

Anyone that eats that or Marmite deserves to be banned for life after
being raped by Liz.

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TOPIC: Photos of Armstrong In Grenoble and/or Paris
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8f20bc81b62ad48c?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 26 2011 9:34 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Jul 26, 7:35 pm, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 7/26/2011 6:46 PM, Jimmy July wrote:> On 7/26/2011 2:03 PM, BL wrote:
> >> On 7/26/2011 3:39 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> >>> Stocker
>
> >> Still no photos anywhere. If you read his Tweets, the way they are
> >> phrased could be read as his not being actually in France.
>
> > You're right! When he tweeted "Made it to Grenoble. Gonna be one helluva
> > a race today" he might have been at the Grenoble, KANSAS NASCAR track.
> > There probably isn't a Grenoble in KS, but work with me here.
>
> Who made it to Grenoble. Armstrong or the peloton? His Tweet about Paris
> leans toward his being there, but still, no photos anywhere.  That's a
> bit odd for the Lance/Livestrong PR machine.

Why don't you stock where his jet has been recently?


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 2:19 am
From: Simply Fred


BL wrote:
> Anyone seen any from this past weekend? Thanks.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HR2H6KJLuU>


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 6:26 am
From: BL


On 7/27/2011 12:34 AM, Plano Dude wrote:
> On Jul 26, 7:35 pm, BL<b...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 7/26/2011 6:46 PM, Jimmy July wrote:> On 7/26/2011 2:03 PM, BL wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2011 3:39 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>>>>> Stocker
>>
>>>> Still no photos anywhere. If you read his Tweets, the way they are
>>>> phrased could be read as his not being actually in France.
>>
>>> You're right! When he tweeted "Made it to Grenoble. Gonna be one helluva
>>> a race today" he might have been at the Grenoble, KANSAS NASCAR track.
>>> There probably isn't a Grenoble in KS, but work with me here.
>>
>> Who made it to Grenoble. Armstrong or the peloton? His Tweet about Paris
>> leans toward his being there, but still, no photos anywhere. That's a
>> bit odd for the Lance/Livestrong PR machine.
>
> Why don't you stock where his jet has been recently?
And somehow where his jet has been confirms that he was where his jet was?


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 6:26 am
From: BL


On 7/27/2011 5:19 AM, Simply Fred wrote:
> BL wrote:
>> Anyone seen any from this past weekend? Thanks.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HR2H6KJLuU>
:-)


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TOPIC: Market value of Cervelo & BMC
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9e4f5f2b3efb3b81?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 26 2011 10:05 pm
From: Randall


On Jul 25, 4:30 am, Victor Kan <victor....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 25, 1:07 am, Randall <randall.shim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any idea of what Cervelo or BMC is worth...? It's
> > hard to tell because these are private companies. But I still find it
> > hard to believe they can afford to sponsor a pro team. Cervelo is no
> > longer a main sponsor howeve

I am really surprised that BMC does not have any other major sponsors
or other sponsors on the team clothing.


> IIRC, BMC bikes and the team were co-founded by Andy Rihs who also co-
> founded Phonak (which interestingly changed their corporate name in
> 2007), which has a 6.4B (US$) market cap:
>
> http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.a...
>
> So I would guess that Rihs is comparable in wealth to Bob Stapleton
> who owns Highroad and funded (or still funds?) the team out of his own
> pocket.


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TOPIC: Contador
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f0bc53933ae697d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 26 2011 10:36 pm
From: Randall


Contador formally announced that he will not enter the Vuelta or ride
the Giro next year. Since the Giro has become so tough I sort of
understand his reasons. The Giro route and competition has become very
tough in recent years that it is very difficult for a potential TDF
winner to win. without burning out is chances. I still believe it is
possible for a rider to win the double. Part of the problem is
resisting the temptation to make senseless attacks.

I would like to see AC enter some fall races. In a strange fateful way
it is good that AC lost the TDF and spared cycling another disgraced
TDF winner. AC's doping case should have been settled before the start
of the TDF.

(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-rules-out-riding-vuelta-
espana )

> No, Contador already said he is satisfied with a Giro win this year.

>
> > Wonder if he will be sufficiently annoyed now to attempt the Vuelta in
> > September ...


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TOPIC: So much for Michael Ball's empire
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ef0a9623d3e77943?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 26 2011 10:21 pm
From: Plano Dude


http://www.greatamerican.com/auctions/AuctionEventDetails.aspx?EventID=567


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 5:20 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 7/27/2011 12:21 AM, Plano Dude wrote:
> http://www.greatamerican.com/auctions/AuctionEventDetails.aspx?EventID=567

If you click on the online catalog, pages 2 and 3 have his
car collection.

F


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 5:25 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 7/27/2011 7:20 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 7/27/2011 12:21 AM, Plano Dude wrote:
>> http://www.greatamerican.com/auctions/AuctionEventDetails.aspx?EventID=567
>>
>
> If you click on the online catalog, pages 2 and 3 have his
> car collection.
>
> F

Sorry, click on the image gallery for detailed car porn.

F


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 7:13 am
From: dave a


On 7/27/2011 5:25 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 7/27/2011 7:20 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>> On 7/27/2011 12:21 AM, Plano Dude wrote:
>>> http://www.greatamerican.com/auctions/AuctionEventDetails.aspx?EventID=567
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you click on the online catalog, pages 2 and 3 have his
>> car collection.
>>
>> F
>
> Sorry, click on the image gallery for detailed car porn.
>
> F

I see that it lists his Shelby GT350 as having a 427 ci engine. If so,
that would be right in line with MB devaluing everything he touches.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 7:32 am
From: dave a


On 7/27/2011 7:13 AM, dave a wrote:
> On 7/27/2011 5:25 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>> On 7/27/2011 7:20 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2011 12:21 AM, Plano Dude wrote:
>>>> http://www.greatamerican.com/auctions/AuctionEventDetails.aspx?EventID=567
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you click on the online catalog, pages 2 and 3 have his
>>> car collection.
>>>
>>> F
>>
>> Sorry, click on the image gallery for detailed car porn.
>>
>> F
>
> I see that it lists his Shelby GT350 as having a 427 ci engine. If so,
> that would be right in line with MB devaluing everything he touches.

and then there is this

http://tinyurl.com/4yhl42k

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TOPIC: 2011 TDF a boring race
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d19806b313dc8185?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 26 2011 11:51 pm
From: William Fred


Jimmy July <Fred@burger.com> wrote in news:4e2f719f$1@news.x-privat.org:

> Most people in this NG are capable of predicting some events with
> reasonable certainty. We do not agonize over whether the sun will rise
> tomorrow. The probability is high enough that there is no suspense
> there.
>
> The fact that you don't understand Fredmaster's point about
> predictability does NOT make you appear more intelligent. On the other
> hand, I'm betting that appearing intelligent is not a major concern of
> yours.
>

Well, that's 50/50 now isn't it?

I also think that with FAT you have to be very specific, so you should
say "the sun will *appear* to rise tomorrow." However, be prepared to
debate even that point, or at least hope that if you get into an
argument, Fredmaster will find the topic interesting enough to take it up
on your behalf.

--
Bill Fred


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 2:24 am
From: Simply Fred


William Fred wrote:
> Well, that's 50/50 now isn't it?
>
> I also think that with FAT you have to be very specific, so you should
> say "the sun will *appear* to rise tomorrow." However, be prepared to
> debate even that point, or at least hope that if you get into an
> argument, Fredmaster will find the topic interesting enough to take it up
> on your behalf.

And speaking of 50/50, you can hope that if Fredmaster doesn't take it
up Scott will as he could use arguing with 36 and FAT (they do sound
like something made by IBM) as a substitute for anaerobic intervals on
an indoor trainer.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 7:31 am
From: William Fred


Simply Fred <none@mailinator.com> wrote in
news:pa25g8-uqa.ln1@linux-205.tricom.co.za:

>
> And speaking of 50/50, you can hope that if Fredmaster doesn't take it
> up Scott will as he could use arguing with 36 and FAT (they do sound
> like something made by IBM) as a substitute for anaerobic intervals on
> an indoor trainer.
>
>

I love July in rbr. It's like Mardi Gras for retards who were admitted
into mensa as a prank.

--
Bill Fred

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 12:16 am
From: Bob Martin


in 657599 20110726 231201 ilan <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote:
>Actually, I was surprised that it was never once mentioned that
>Jalabert had finished 4th in the Tour, his highest placing, especially
>since he's the TV commentator. So that placing doesn't carry that much
>weight, it isn't considered a career highlight for Moreau, and they
>didn't mention Sean Kelly or Steve Bauer either, not even as evidence
>that 4th is regularly obtainable by sprinters and classics riders.

Didn't Virenque have a 2nd and a 3rd?

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TOPIC: If your name is Schleck...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 1:19 am
From: thirty-six


On Jul 27, 4:12 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 7:06 am, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 26, 12:56 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 25, 11:26 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 25, 2:10 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 25, 5:23 am, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 23, 11:37 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 23, 3:37 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 5:48 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 9:48 am, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On 23/07/2011 16:40, Adama wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Le 23/07/2011 17:12, atriage a écrit :
> > > > > > > > > > >> ...then today's racing didn't necessarily proceed in an advantageous
> > > > > > > > > > >> manner.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Looks like "only one TT stage in the Tour" is still one too many for them ...
>
> > > > > > > > > > Somebody needs to lock them in a wind tunnel with a bicycle for six months.
>
> > > > > > > > > > --
>
> > > > > > > > > Much of the time loss seemed to have come from Schleck's tentative
> > > > > > > > > descending, whereas Evans was nailing it in the twistier parts of the
> > > > > > > > > descent.  You'd have thought he was riding a crit bike, not a TT bike.
>
> > > > > > > > It didn't have the curly handlebar but the dropped position is still
> > > > > > > > there.  As long as a rider can get his weight forward he is able to
> > > > > > > > control it well at speed.  There really isn't a lot of difference once
> > > > > > > > a rider lifts off the saddle and balances the bike into and out of a
> > > > > > > > corner.
>
> > > > > > > You do know the steering geometry, and therefore the handling, is
> > > > > > > significantly different between a TT bike and regular road bike,
> > > > > > > right?
>
> > > > > > No!  What are these significant differences?
>
> > > > > A good TT bike is designed to be very stable at speed in a straight or
> > > > > reasonable straight line, stable enough to keep the front end from
> > > > > being too affected by strong cross winds.  Bikes that are super stable
> > > > > in a straight line tend not to turn well, not without significant
> > > > > steering input.
>
> > > > Like a touring bike, should be not that far off that used in the
> > > > regular stages of the TdF, minimising effort to save energy.  It means
> > > > the bike follows the road unless the rider wakes up and starts yanking
> > > > the steering.  With all the twitchiness I've seen this year, it is
> > > > obvious that relaxed frame geometry is not as common as it should be
> > > > for such a race.
>
> > > > > You can start w/ the trail figures for the fork/headtube angle.  Then
> > > > > there's also the typically ever so slightly shorter chainstay,
>
> > > > The short chainstay is for aerodynamics and selling.  More significant
> > > > to control is CofG  The back wheel does nothing if it's in the air,
> > > > it's mostly irrelevant as a touch of the front brake will tighten up a
> > > > corner.  Of course you need a good front wheel to be able to learn to
> > > > descend at such speeds.
>
> > > > >  coupled
> > > > > with the significantly steeper seattube angle, placing the weight of
> > > > > the rider much further forward.  The much lower bars will put the
> > > > > weight of the rider lower.  You may say that once the rider stands on
> > > > > the pedals the seattube angle doesn't matter, but the position of the
> > > > > bars changes everything about the position of the rider's CoG compared
> > > > > to a standard road bike position.
>
> > > > But it's essentially the same position a rider gets into to negotiate
> > > > the twisty bits on a road/touring bike.  Right on the nose or just
> > > > above the nose of the saddle.  About 100mm forward of the neutral
> > > > position.
>
> > > > > Like I said, you can learn to ride a TT bike down a mtn, but I doubt
> > > > > anyone who's not a supreme bike handler could do it well the first
> > > > > time they try as it's not intuitive.
>
> > > > I know.
>
> > > You apparently know nothing about the current rage for positioning for
> > > TT bikes, and little about how people descend quickly on standard road
> > > bikes.
>
> > > Firstly, who the hell slides forward onto the nose of the saddle to
> > > descend?  All you'd end up doing is messing w/ your CoG and making it
> > > impossible to properly weight the outside pedal.
>
> > Moving forward prevents longitudinal weight shift when transferring
> > weight to the outer pedal.  Standing on the pedal has to be assumed is
> > going to happen to negotiate a tighter turn so getting the weight
> > almost in place leads to a more stable bike while braking hard.  I
> > have the experience, and sitting in the saddle until it's too late
> > doesn't work unless you enjoy road rash.
>
> > > Secondly, damn near everyone who's ever spent a minute in a windtunnel
> > > (all the top pros have, BTW) or who's had a professional bike fit (all
> > > the pros, period) have the saddle on their TT bike slammed as far
> > > forward as the rules will allow, with the appropriate adjustment to
> > > saddle height to keep the relative bend in the leg at TDC correct.
>
> > Low back and breathing space, so what?
>
> > > Lastly, throw in the difference in front end geometry (going from
> > > neutral trail to high trail) and add a deep dish front wheel to boot,
> > > and the steering techniques for a standard road bike vs TT bike could
> > > hardly be more different.
>
> > Are you claiming there is something wrong with the wheels?
>
> > > I'm guessing you've not done a TT since they invented aero bars and
> > > all you did to ride a TT was to bolt on the bars and away you go.
>
> > I was adopting the position without additional bars and in hilly time
> > trials before clip-on bars were available.  Forward weight stabilises
> > the machine.
>
> Newsflash:  TT bikes these days are, for all intents and purposes,
> completely different than what you were riding back in the day.

Yeah they use equal size wheels today, just like any other road or
touring bike. The slammed position is not new, it was generally found
using a sloping stem and deep drop bars but the small front wheel with
a cow horn handlebar was also used. Stop being silly, the rider still
sits between the wheels with the steered wheel at the front but with a
additional tiller steering bar. So it takes a bit of practice to
develop the skill of steering by tiller. Get over it, what do want a
computer to follow the white line?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 2:28 am
From: Simply Fred


thirty-six wrote:
<snip>
thirty-six wrote:
<snip>
thirty-six wrote:
<snip>

Scott wrote:
> Newsflash: TT bikes these days are, for all intents and purposes,
> completely different than what you were riding back in the day.

Presumably the zoning regulations in Colorado allow the building of
windmills in backyards for tilting practice.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 1:52 am
From: atriage


On 26/07/2011 16:51, Uncle Dave wrote:
> On Jul 26, 9:11 am, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>> On 26/07/2011 09:00, Uncle Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway, I'm pleased Cavendish won the green jersey at last. Maybe now
>>> he'll stop poncing around and get back to what he does best -
>>> partnering Wiggins in the madison.
>>
>> Yeah that was some double act. I think the world champeenship is the next thing
>> on the agenda. This year's TdF seems to indicate we should be able to put
>> together a strong team.
>
> Um, I was joking. The last thing either of them should do is go back
> to the track - except for the odd Six maybe - though the draw of
> London 2012 might prove too much.
>

I was talking about the world road race, but yeah I'd love to see them in
Belgium again.


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