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Can anyone please get me the following article:

title: ROLE OF OIL ON PHYSICAL PROPERTIES OF CORN MASA FLOURS AND
SENSORY CHARACTERISTICS OF CORN TORTILLAS

authors: REYNA LUZ VIDAL-QUINTANAR1,*, JANE LOVE2, LAWRENCE ALLAN
JOHNSON2

Journal of Food Processing and Preservation
Volume 25, Issue 1, pages 1–14, April 2001

DOI: 10.1111/j.1745-4549.2001.tb00439.x

link: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-4549.2001.tb00439.x/pdf

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Dear Anand/William,

Thanks very much for the help.

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> > Please help me with the following articles.
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> > 1. By Czopek, Anna et al  European Journal of Medicinal Chemistry,
> > 45(4), 1295-1303; 2010
> > Link:http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0223523409006230
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> > 2. Bioorganic & Medicinal Chemistry, 13 (20), 5873-5883; 2005Link:
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On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:01 AM, aatif amin <aatifamin93@gmail.com> wrote:
please send me the following research article.

Role of hydrogen sulfide in mercury resistance determined by plasmid
of Clostridium cochlearium T-2
Hidemitsu S. K. Pan-Hou and Nobumasa Imura

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Extracellular matrix proteases - cytokine regulation role in cancer and pregnancy.
Huang SC, Sheu BC, Chang WC, Cheng CY, Wang PH, Lin S.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 2:53 am
From: Percy Flage


On 10/08/2011 05:27, JKConey wrote:
> Above all else, this is my biggest worry this year. I'm one of the few
> here that liked what I saw in McKnight, the few chances he got. I'm
> hoping he's ready to get lots of touches, but I'm scared to death that
> Shott will fall back and be in love with LT all over again.

Greene and McKnight sharing the load on 1st and 2nd, LdT in there on 3rd
downs only.

That's what I'd like to see.

--
Percy Flage
"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 5:49 am
From: "JohnC\(TX\)"


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"Percy Flage" <percy.flage_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 10/08/2011 05:27, JKConey wrote:
>> Above all else, this is my biggest worry this year. I'm one of the few
>> here that liked what I saw in McKnight, the few chances he got. I'm
>> hoping he's ready to get lots of touches, but I'm scared to death that
>> Shott will fall back and be in love with LT all over again.
>
> Greene and McKnight sharing the load on 1st and 2nd, LdT in there on 3rd
> downs only.
>
> That's what I'd like to see.
>
> --
> Percy Flage
> "Life is too short to have to explain everyday."

I think you will see LT quite a bit on passing downs for his ability to
catch but also because he is one heck of a blocker. We need to see what
McKnight can do as Greene has only two years left. He looked good vs
Buffalo but it was Buffalo but to me that has more value than runnng around
2nd & 3rd stringers in pre-season.

I haven't heard a peep about Bilal Powell the 4th rounder.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 6:05 am
From: "JohnC\(TX\)"


I was using Google Groups which has seemed to stop working so I started
using this for usenet:

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It is free and then you use whatever reader you want.

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 6:28 am
From: "JohnC\(TX\)"


Papa, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.

It worked with Moore. It sticks with me that John Madden said that when he
was coaaching he thought it took 5 years for an OL to be ready.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/08/jets_see_matt_kroul_as_ideal_t.html

Jets see Matt Kroul as ideal to jump from one side of the ball to the other
Published: Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 9:20 PM Updated: Wednesday, August
10, 2011, 2:44 AM
By Conor Orr/The Star-Ledger

Saed Hindash/The Star-LedgerLast season, Matt Kroul was a defensive lineman,
seen here sacking Eagles quarterback Mike Kafka in a preseason game. The
Jets have moved him over to the offensive line.
From Jets coach Rex Ryan's vantage point, Matt Kroul had all the attributes
to complete a position change.

For nearly a decade of high school, college and pro football, Kroul toiled
on the defensive line, soaking up all the tricks offensive linemen could
throw at him. He wrestled at his Iowa high school, learning what Ryan
referred to as "body control."

The conversation to make Kroul a hybrid offensive and defensive lineman went
down Friday. He didn't hesitate when Ryan asked.

"If that allows me to make the 53 (man roster), I said, 'Yeah, let's do the
thing,'" Kroul said.

Kroul spent Saturday - the team's off day - learning the terminology used on
the offensive side of the ball. By Sunday, his number changed from 98 to 66.
His practice jersey switched from defensive green to offensive white. He
worked out on the opposite end of the field from his former defensive
colleagues.

"It was a different experience, obviously," Kroul said. "Eight years of my
life I've been playing defensive line. It's a change, but you just take it
in stride and learn as fast as you can, get thrown in there and do the best
you can."

There is a precedent, one Kroul takes comfort in during this transition
period. Jets starting right guard Brandon Moore made the same change early
in his NFL career and is considered one of the best players in the NFL at
his position.

Amid the shuffle, Kroul said Moore already came to him and told him he could
stop by for advice whenever needed.

The thought was Kroul would understand how to block a defensive lineman
naturally. He would have an idea of attack points and know how to cloak a
play so as not to give away its direction by his movements.

He could also save a roster spot by serving as a backup on both sides of the
ball, allowing the team to pad other positions.

"It's a completely different perspective. You're just looking at things from
the other side of the line," said Kroul, a second-year player out of Iowa.
"As a defensive lineman, you know where your guys are at, now it's a lot
more reading, a lot more knowing where guys are at."

He is not yet ready to say which Jets defensive linemen are the toughest to
block, mostly because he is not yet ready to block them.

"So much stuff is going on right now," he said. "I'm just kind of sitting
back and absorbing it."

But he is prepared to let his mind wander. If it worked for Moore, maybe it
could work for him. The goal, Kroul said, is to keep moving up the food
chain one way or the other.

"This almost provides me with the better chance," he said. "Last year I was
always kind of one guy off on the defensive line. It's kind of like you're
almost there but you're not. This change will hopefully bring me to that
point."


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 7:35 am
From: Michael


On Aug 10, 9:28 am, "JohnC\(TX\)" <johnctxjetss...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Papa, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
>
> It worked with Moore.  It sticks with me that John Madden said that when he
> was coaaching he thought it took 5 years for an OL to  be ready.
>
> http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/08/jets_see_matt_kroul_as_ideal...
>
> Jets see Matt Kroul as ideal to jump from one side of the ball to the other
> Published: Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 9:20 PM     Updated: Wednesday, August
> 10, 2011, 2:44 AM
>  By Conor Orr/The Star-Ledger
>
> Saed Hindash/The Star-LedgerLast season, Matt Kroul was a defensive lineman,
> seen here sacking Eagles quarterback Mike Kafka in a preseason game. The
> Jets have moved him over to the offensive line.
> From Jets coach Rex Ryan's vantage point, Matt Kroul had all the attributes
> to complete a position change.
>
> For nearly a decade of high school, college and pro football, Kroul toiled
> on the defensive line, soaking up all the tricks offensive linemen could
> throw at him. He wrestled at his Iowa high school, learning what Ryan
> referred to as "body control."
>
> The conversation to make Kroul a hybrid offensive and defensive lineman went
> down Friday. He didn't hesitate when Ryan asked.
>
> "If that allows me to make the 53 (man roster), I said, 'Yeah, let's do the
> thing,'" Kroul said.
>
> Kroul spent Saturday - the team's off day - learning the terminology used on
> the offensive side of the ball. By Sunday, his number changed from 98 to 66.
> His practice jersey switched from defensive green to offensive white. He
> worked out on the opposite end of the field from his former defensive
> colleagues.
>
> "It was a different experience, obviously," Kroul said. "Eight years of my
> life I've been playing defensive line. It's a change, but you just take it
> in stride and learn as fast as you can, get thrown in there and do the best
> you can."
>
> There is a precedent, one Kroul takes comfort in during this transition
> period. Jets starting right guard Brandon Moore made the same change early
> in his NFL career and is considered one of the best players in the NFL at
> his position.
>
> Amid the shuffle, Kroul said Moore already came to him and told him he could
> stop by for advice whenever needed.
>
> The thought was Kroul would understand how to block a defensive lineman
> naturally. He would have an idea of attack points and know how to cloak a
> play so as not to give away its direction by his movements.
>
> He could also save a roster spot by serving as a backup on both sides of the
> ball, allowing the team to pad other positions.
>
> "It's a completely different perspective. You're just looking at things from
> the other side of the line," said Kroul, a second-year player out of Iowa.
> "As a defensive lineman, you know where your guys are at, now it's a lot
> more reading, a lot more knowing where guys are at."
>
> He is not yet ready to say which Jets defensive linemen are the toughest to
> block, mostly because he is not yet ready to block them.
>
> "So much stuff is going on right now," he said. "I'm just kind of sitting
> back and absorbing it."
>
> But he is prepared to let his mind wander. If it worked for Moore, maybe it
> could work for him. The goal, Kroul said, is to keep moving up the food
> chain one way or the other.
>
> "This almost provides me with the better chance," he said. "Last year I was
> always kind of one guy off on the defensive line. It's kind of like you're
> almost there but you're not. This change will hopefully bring me to that
> point."

I'm not Papa, but... :-)

I have seen Kroul play in pre-season games. Kroul wont even been a
good back-up for the o-line. Not now... Not ever. This transition
was motivated for two reasons, IMHO... Kroul can not be valuable as a
pro d-line guy because he does not have moves or leverage and the Jets
are in major need for depth at o-line now. Hunter is the clear
starter at RT and Vlad is clueless. Vlad is so clueless, he may remain
clueless despite his ideal build, strenght and foot speed. That
leaves only Turner as an o-line back up for right now. Hence, the
Kroul experiment. Kroul will be off the roster next season, I'd say.


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 8:19 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"JohnC(TX)" <johnctxjetsspam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e428791$1@news.x-privat.org...
> Papa, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
>
> It worked with Moore. It sticks with me that John Madden said that when
> he was coaaching he thought it took 5 years for an OL to be ready.
>
> http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/08/jets_see_matt_kroul_as_ideal_t.html
>
> Jets see Matt Kroul as ideal to jump from one side of the ball to the
> other
> Published: Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 9:20 PM Updated: Wednesday,
> August 10, 2011, 2:44 AM
> By Conor Orr/The Star-Ledger
>
> Saed Hindash/The Star-LedgerLast season, Matt Kroul was a defensive
> lineman, seen here sacking Eagles quarterback Mike Kafka in a preseason
> game. The Jets have moved him over to the offensive line.
> From Jets coach Rex Ryan's vantage point, Matt Kroul had all the
> attributes to complete a position change.
>
> For nearly a decade of high school, college and pro football, Kroul toiled
> on the defensive line, soaking up all the tricks offensive linemen could
> throw at him. He wrestled at his Iowa high school, learning what Ryan
> referred to as "body control."
>
> The conversation to make Kroul a hybrid offensive and defensive lineman
> went down Friday. He didn't hesitate when Ryan asked.
>
> "If that allows me to make the 53 (man roster), I said, 'Yeah, let's do
> the thing,'" Kroul said.
>
> Kroul spent Saturday - the team's off day - learning the terminology used
> on the offensive side of the ball. By Sunday, his number changed from 98
> to 66. His practice jersey switched from defensive green to offensive
> white. He worked out on the opposite end of the field from his former
> defensive colleagues.
>
> "It was a different experience, obviously," Kroul said. "Eight years of my
> life I've been playing defensive line. It's a change, but you just take it
> in stride and learn as fast as you can, get thrown in there and do the
> best you can."
>
> There is a precedent, one Kroul takes comfort in during this transition
> period. Jets starting right guard Brandon Moore made the same change early
> in his NFL career and is considered one of the best players in the NFL at
> his position.
>
> Amid the shuffle, Kroul said Moore already came to him and told him he
> could stop by for advice whenever needed.
>
> The thought was Kroul would understand how to block a defensive lineman
> naturally. He would have an idea of attack points and know how to cloak a
> play so as not to give away its direction by his movements.
>
> He could also save a roster spot by serving as a backup on both sides of
> the ball, allowing the team to pad other positions.
>
> "It's a completely different perspective. You're just looking at things
> from the other side of the line," said Kroul, a second-year player out of
> Iowa. "As a defensive lineman, you know where your guys are at, now it's a
> lot more reading, a lot more knowing where guys are at."
>
> He is not yet ready to say which Jets defensive linemen are the toughest
> to block, mostly because he is not yet ready to block them.
>
> "So much stuff is going on right now," he said. "I'm just kind of sitting
> back and absorbing it."
>
> But he is prepared to let his mind wander. If it worked for Moore, maybe
> it could work for him. The goal, Kroul said, is to keep moving up the food
> chain one way or the other.
>
> "This almost provides me with the better chance," he said. "Last year I
> was always kind of one guy off on the defensive line. It's kind of like
> you're almost there but you're not. This change will hopefully bring me to
> that point."
________________________________________________________________

It's a Hell of a lot easier going that way than the other. He has to have
shown some athletic ability to have been on defense all those years. Still,
that is a huge change. It works in high school, maybe some college, I have
no idea what happens at that level. He should have some "feet" though which
is more than some appear to have.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 8:23 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1b3a6fd3-8af3-4256-864b-0630a0d78a5f@h9g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 10, 9:28 am, "JohnC\(TX\)" <johnctxjetss...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Papa, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
>
> It worked with Moore. It sticks with me that John Madden said that when he
> was coaaching he thought it took 5 years for an OL to be ready.
>
> http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/08/jets_see_matt_kroul_as_ideal...
>
> Jets see Matt Kroul as ideal to jump from one side of the ball to the
> other
> Published: Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 9:20 PM Updated: Wednesday, August
> 10, 2011, 2:44 AM
> By Conor Orr/The Star-Ledger
>
> Saed Hindash/The Star-LedgerLast season, Matt Kroul was a defensive
> lineman,
> seen here sacking Eagles quarterback Mike Kafka in a preseason game. The
> Jets have moved him over to the offensive line.
> From Jets coach Rex Ryan's vantage point, Matt Kroul had all the
> attributes
> to complete a position change.
>
> For nearly a decade of high school, college and pro football, Kroul toiled
> on the defensive line, soaking up all the tricks offensive linemen could
> throw at him. He wrestled at his Iowa high school, learning what Ryan
> referred to as "body control."
>
> The conversation to make Kroul a hybrid offensive and defensive lineman
> went
> down Friday. He didn't hesitate when Ryan asked.
>
> "If that allows me to make the 53 (man roster), I said, 'Yeah, let's do
> the
> thing,'" Kroul said.
>
> Kroul spent Saturday - the team's off day - learning the terminology used
> on
> the offensive side of the ball. By Sunday, his number changed from 98 to
> 66.
> His practice jersey switched from defensive green to offensive white. He
> worked out on the opposite end of the field from his former defensive
> colleagues.
>
> "It was a different experience, obviously," Kroul said. "Eight years of my
> life I've been playing defensive line. It's a change, but you just take it
> in stride and learn as fast as you can, get thrown in there and do the
> best
> you can."
>
> There is a precedent, one Kroul takes comfort in during this transition
> period. Jets starting right guard Brandon Moore made the same change early
> in his NFL career and is considered one of the best players in the NFL at
> his position.
>
> Amid the shuffle, Kroul said Moore already came to him and told him he
> could
> stop by for advice whenever needed.
>
> The thought was Kroul would understand how to block a defensive lineman
> naturally. He would have an idea of attack points and know how to cloak a
> play so as not to give away its direction by his movements.
>
> He could also save a roster spot by serving as a backup on both sides of
> the
> ball, allowing the team to pad other positions.
>
> "It's a completely different perspective. You're just looking at things
> from
> the other side of the line," said Kroul, a second-year player out of Iowa.
> "As a defensive lineman, you know where your guys are at, now it's a lot
> more reading, a lot more knowing where guys are at."
>
> He is not yet ready to say which Jets defensive linemen are the toughest
> to
> block, mostly because he is not yet ready to block them.
>
> "So much stuff is going on right now," he said. "I'm just kind of sitting
> back and absorbing it."
>
> But he is prepared to let his mind wander. If it worked for Moore, maybe
> it
> could work for him. The goal, Kroul said, is to keep moving up the food
> chain one way or the other.
>
> "This almost provides me with the better chance," he said. "Last year I
> was
> always kind of one guy off on the defensive line. It's kind of like you're
> almost there but you're not. This change will hopefully bring me to that
> point."

I'm not Papa, but... :-)

I have seen Kroul play in pre-season games. Kroul wont even been a
good back-up for the o-line. Not now... Not ever. This transition
was motivated for two reasons, IMHO... Kroul can not be valuable as a
pro d-line guy because he does not have moves or leverage and the Jets
are in major need for depth at o-line now. Hunter is the clear
starter at RT and Vlad is clueless. Vlad is so clueless, he may remain
clueless despite his ideal build, strenght and foot speed. That
leaves only Turner as an o-line back up for right now. Hence, the
Kroul experiment. Kroul will be off the roster next season, I'd say.
_______________________________________________________

There you go...Michael knows a lot more about him than I do apparently. I
barely remember him.


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 8:31 am
From: Michael


On Aug 10, 11:23 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1b3a6fd3-8af3-4256-864b-0630a0d78a5f@h9g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 10, 9:28 am, "JohnC\(TX\)" <johnctxjetss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Papa, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
>
> > It worked with Moore. It sticks with me that John Madden said that when he
> > was coaaching he thought it took 5 years for an OL to be ready.
>
> >http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/08/jets_see_matt_kroul_as_ideal...
>
> > Jets see Matt Kroul as ideal to jump from one side of the ball to the
> > other
> > Published: Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 9:20 PM Updated: Wednesday, August
> > 10, 2011, 2:44 AM
> > By Conor Orr/The Star-Ledger
>
> > Saed Hindash/The Star-LedgerLast season, Matt Kroul was a defensive
> > lineman,
> > seen here sacking Eagles quarterback Mike Kafka in a preseason game. The
> > Jets have moved him over to the offensive line.
> > From Jets coach Rex Ryan's vantage point, Matt Kroul had all the
> > attributes
> > to complete a position change.
>
> > For nearly a decade of high school, college and pro football, Kroul toiled
> > on the defensive line, soaking up all the tricks offensive linemen could
> > throw at him. He wrestled at his Iowa high school, learning what Ryan
> > referred to as "body control."
>
> > The conversation to make Kroul a hybrid offensive and defensive lineman
> > went
> > down Friday. He didn't hesitate when Ryan asked.
>
> > "If that allows me to make the 53 (man roster), I said, 'Yeah, let's do
> > the
> > thing,'" Kroul said.
>
> > Kroul spent Saturday - the team's off day - learning the terminology used
> > on
> > the offensive side of the ball. By Sunday, his number changed from 98 to
> > 66.
> > His practice jersey switched from defensive green to offensive white. He
> > worked out on the opposite end of the field from his former defensive
> > colleagues.
>
> > "It was a different experience, obviously," Kroul said. "Eight years of my
> > life I've been playing defensive line. It's a change, but you just take it
> > in stride and learn as fast as you can, get thrown in there and do the
> > best
> > you can."
>
> > There is a precedent, one Kroul takes comfort in during this transition
> > period. Jets starting right guard Brandon Moore made the same change early
> > in his NFL career and is considered one of the best players in the NFL at
> > his position.
>
> > Amid the shuffle, Kroul said Moore already came to him and told him he
> > could
> > stop by for advice whenever needed.
>
> > The thought was Kroul would understand how to block a defensive lineman
> > naturally. He would have an idea of attack points and know how to cloak a
> > play so as not to give away its direction by his movements.
>
> > He could also save a roster spot by serving as a backup on both sides of
> > the
> > ball, allowing the team to pad other positions.
>
> > "It's a completely different perspective. You're just looking at things
> > from
> > the other side of the line," said Kroul, a second-year player out of Iowa.
> > "As a defensive lineman, you know where your guys are at, now it's a lot
> > more reading, a lot more knowing where guys are at."
>
> > He is not yet ready to say which Jets defensive linemen are the toughest
> > to
> > block, mostly because he is not yet ready to block them.
>
> > "So much stuff is going on right now," he said. "I'm just kind of sitting
> > back and absorbing it."
>
> > But he is prepared to let his mind wander. If it worked for Moore, maybe
> > it
> > could work for him. The goal, Kroul said, is to keep moving up the food
> > chain one way or the other.
>
> > "This almost provides me with the better chance," he said. "Last year I
> > was
> > always kind of one guy off on the defensive line. It's kind of like you're
> > almost there but you're not. This change will hopefully bring me to that
> > point."
>
> I'm not Papa, but... :-)
>
> I have seen Kroul play in pre-season games. Kroul wont even been a
> good back-up for the o-line.  Not now... Not ever.  This transition
> was motivated for two reasons, IMHO... Kroul can not be valuable as a
> pro d-line guy because he does not have moves or leverage and the Jets
> are in major need for depth at o-line now.  Hunter is the clear
> starter at RT and Vlad is clueless. Vlad is so clueless, he may remain
> clueless despite his ideal build, strenght and foot speed.   That
> leaves only Turner as an o-line back up for right now.  Hence, the
> Kroul experiment.  Kroul will be off the roster next season, I'd say.
> _______________________________________________________
>
> There you go...Michael knows a lot more about him than I do apparently.  I
> barely remember him.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

papa.. he is a big dude... 310 lbs or so... but gets little push off
the ball for his size, does not seem to be able to torque and twist
offensive line guys and he and has heavy feet. i'd bet he does good in
the weight room, can learn the play book and has excellent over all
strength. since he lacks "moves" and technique for d-line, may be
they think he can be a good guy to "get in the way" of someone. if
they do convert him to o-line, he'll be a "one and done" player I
think. he probably wont be able to recover or adjust after first
contact.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 3:12 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3923f674-ec32-4cff-b899-a9aa9022b2e2@a27g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 10, 11:23 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1b3a6fd3-8af3-4256-864b-0630a0d78a5f@h9g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 10, 9:28 am, "JohnC\(TX\)" <johnctxjetss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Papa, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
>
> > It worked with Moore. It sticks with me that John Madden said that when
> > he
> > was coaaching he thought it took 5 years for an OL to be ready.
>
> >http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/08/jets_see_matt_kroul_as_ideal...
>
> > Jets see Matt Kroul as ideal to jump from one side of the ball to the
> > other
> > Published: Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 9:20 PM Updated: Wednesday, August
> > 10, 2011, 2:44 AM
> > By Conor Orr/The Star-Ledger
>
> > Saed Hindash/The Star-LedgerLast season, Matt Kroul was a defensive
> > lineman,
> > seen here sacking Eagles quarterback Mike Kafka in a preseason game. The
> > Jets have moved him over to the offensive line.
> > From Jets coach Rex Ryan's vantage point, Matt Kroul had all the
> > attributes
> > to complete a position change.
>
> > For nearly a decade of high school, college and pro football, Kroul
> > toiled
> > on the defensive line, soaking up all the tricks offensive linemen could
> > throw at him. He wrestled at his Iowa high school, learning what Ryan
> > referred to as "body control."
>
> > The conversation to make Kroul a hybrid offensive and defensive lineman
> > went
> > down Friday. He didn't hesitate when Ryan asked.
>
> > "If that allows me to make the 53 (man roster), I said, 'Yeah, let's do
> > the
> > thing,'" Kroul said.
>
> > Kroul spent Saturday - the team's off day - learning the terminology
> > used
> > on
> > the offensive side of the ball. By Sunday, his number changed from 98 to
> > 66.
> > His practice jersey switched from defensive green to offensive white. He
> > worked out on the opposite end of the field from his former defensive
> > colleagues.
>
> > "It was a different experience, obviously," Kroul said. "Eight years of
> > my
> > life I've been playing defensive line. It's a change, but you just take
> > it
> > in stride and learn as fast as you can, get thrown in there and do the
> > best
> > you can."
>
> > There is a precedent, one Kroul takes comfort in during this transition
> > period. Jets starting right guard Brandon Moore made the same change
> > early
> > in his NFL career and is considered one of the best players in the NFL
> > at
> > his position.
>
> > Amid the shuffle, Kroul said Moore already came to him and told him he
> > could
> > stop by for advice whenever needed.
>
> > The thought was Kroul would understand how to block a defensive lineman
> > naturally. He would have an idea of attack points and know how to cloak
> > a
> > play so as not to give away its direction by his movements.
>
> > He could also save a roster spot by serving as a backup on both sides of
> > the
> > ball, allowing the team to pad other positions.
>
> > "It's a completely different perspective. You're just looking at things
> > from
> > the other side of the line," said Kroul, a second-year player out of
> > Iowa.
> > "As a defensive lineman, you know where your guys are at, now it's a lot
> > more reading, a lot more knowing where guys are at."
>
> > He is not yet ready to say which Jets defensive linemen are the toughest
> > to
> > block, mostly because he is not yet ready to block them.
>
> > "So much stuff is going on right now," he said. "I'm just kind of
> > sitting
> > back and absorbing it."
>
> > But he is prepared to let his mind wander. If it worked for Moore, maybe
> > it
> > could work for him. The goal, Kroul said, is to keep moving up the food
> > chain one way or the other.
>
> > "This almost provides me with the better chance," he said. "Last year I
> > was
> > always kind of one guy off on the defensive line. It's kind of like
> > you're
> > almost there but you're not. This change will hopefully bring me to that
> > point."
>
> I'm not Papa, but... :-)
>
> I have seen Kroul play in pre-season games. Kroul wont even been a
> good back-up for the o-line. Not now... Not ever. This transition
> was motivated for two reasons, IMHO... Kroul can not be valuable as a
> pro d-line guy because he does not have moves or leverage and the Jets
> are in major need for depth at o-line now. Hunter is the clear
> starter at RT and Vlad is clueless. Vlad is so clueless, he may remain
> clueless despite his ideal build, strenght and foot speed. That
> leaves only Turner as an o-line back up for right now. Hence, the
> Kroul experiment. Kroul will be off the roster next season, I'd say.
> _______________________________________________________
>
> There you go...Michael knows a lot more about him than I do apparently. I
> barely remember him.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

papa.. he is a big dude... 310 lbs or so... but gets little push off
the ball for his size, does not seem to be able to torque and twist
offensive line guys and he and has heavy feet. i'd bet he does good in
the weight room, can learn the play book and has excellent over all
strength. since he lacks "moves" and technique for d-line, may be
they think he can be a good guy to "get in the way" of someone. if
they do convert him to o-line, he'll be a "one and done" player I
think. he probably wont be able to recover or adjust after first
contact.

I really do not feel I can evaluate a player unless I really get to see him
play...a lot. When did this guy ever play in games?


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 3:18 pm
From: John C TX

> papa.. he is a big dude... 310 lbs or so... but gets little push off
> the ball for his size, does not seem to be able to torque and twist
> offensive line guys and he and has heavy feet. i'd bet he does good in
> the weight room, can learn the play book and has excellent over all
> strength.  since he lacks "moves" and technique for d-line, may be
> they think he can be a good guy to "get in the way" of someone.  if
> they do convert him to o-line, he'll be a "one and done" player I
> think.  he probably wont be able to recover or adjust after first
> contact.

I am not an expert in any way on OL but I have to believe he is
probably quicker than most OL. He had 4.83 time in the 40.

Reading about him makes you want to root for him.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/160138-combine-snub-motivates-kroul-toward-nfl


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 4:51 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:595b0c96-fcd8-412b-ba61-70ab80948de5@l37g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

> papa.. he is a big dude... 310 lbs or so... but gets little push off
> the ball for his size, does not seem to be able to torque and twist
> offensive line guys and he and has heavy feet. i'd bet he does good in
> the weight room, can learn the play book and has excellent over all
> strength. since he lacks "moves" and technique for d-line, may be
> they think he can be a good guy to "get in the way" of someone. if
> they do convert him to o-line, he'll be a "one and done" player I
> think. he probably wont be able to recover or adjust after first
> contact.

I am not an expert in any way on OL but I have to believe he is
probably quicker than most OL. He had 4.83 time in the 40.

Reading about him makes you want to root for him.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/160138-combine-snub-motivates-kroul-toward-nfl

John, That is a very quick 40 time...and doesn't translate to "heavy feet"
but it also does not translate to a given good D lineman. Still, MOST D
lineman have a lot more athletic ability than the O does. I just want to
see him play. Certainly the attitude is good.


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TOPIC: Ellis
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/64d8fa28e5f02ee1?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 7:11 am
From: graybeard


On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:57:02 -0700, Johnny Morongo <Morongo@Burf.com>
wrote:

>On 8/9/2011 2:18 PM, graybeard wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Aug 2011 11:16:36 -0400, "WaterBoy"<someone@somewhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like Shaun Ellis is going to sign with the *Pats*. I for one am not
>>> happy with this move. This guy was consistant for the Jets... He may have
>>> not been the best, but he was always out there...
>>
>> Man, are they ever counting a lot on a rookie from Temple.
>
>Apparently everyone from Rex to the other D-linemen to Pettin to the
>water boy seems to be VERY impressed with the kid. And Ellis was not
>exactly a very good example of "playing like a Jet," or so the
>scuttlebutt says.

JM, you are too old of a dog to fall for this kind of puffery anymore.
Maybe the kid is the next coming of Suh, and if he is I will be raising
more than one glass to the perspicacity of Tannenbaum and Ryan, but in
my experience, Suh notwithstanding, a defensive lineman almost never has
much of an impact in his rookie season. It's just too difficult a
transition from running around and through college level offensive
linemen to developing the techniques necessary to deal with pro
blockers.
--
graybeard


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 7:19 am
From: eric


On Aug 7, 12:28 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:

> I'm forced to believe that somewhere down the line there is a move
> coming.  There's too much $$ in untapped cap space for this not to
> happen.  It's not like with this ruling troika (TRW) to sit on that kind
> of dough.  I smell something in the air, and no, it's not John's stinky
> feet or Burf's bad breath.

Cap room? I really don't think the Jets have any substantial cap room
left.

http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=66898&page=2

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 8:09 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Johnny Morongo" <Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
news:j1so9f$1gh$1@dont-email.me...
> On 8/8/2011 2:01 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>> "JohnC(TX)"<johnctxsjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4e3fda33$2@news.x-privat.org...
>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>
>>> "Johnny Morongo"<Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
>>> news:j1mefb$6nl$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 8/7/2011 8:16 AM, WaterBoy wrote:
>>>>> Looks like Shaun Ellis is going to sign with the *Pats*. I for one am
>>>>> not happy with this move. This guy was consistant for the Jets... He
>>>>> may
>>>>> have not been the best, but he was always out there...
>>>>
>>>> I'm forced to believe that somewhere down the line there is a move
>>>> coming. There's too much $$ in untapped cap space for this not to
>>>> happen.
>>>> It's not like with this ruling troika (TRW) to sit on that kind of
>>>> dough.
>>>> I smell something in the air, and no, it's not John's stinky feet or
>>>> Burf's bad breath.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6841262/shaun-ellis-new-york-jets-sign-new-england-patriots
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Johnny, I think we screwed the pooch here. Ellis was by far our best
>>> Dlineman last year and if they play him at 4-3 end he goes back to the
>>> position he had the most success at with us.
>>>
>>> Do we have $ available under the cap? If not then why didn't we use it
>>> on
>>> Ellis?
>>
>>
>> Good points....this will haunt them. I thought then and now that D line
>> was
>> their weakness all last year and they just got rid of the best guy they
>> had
>> on that line.
>>
>>
>
> I hope you're not basing that on the "lack of a pass rush" comments that
> are so frequently mouthed in the media, Papa. We weren't all that bad,
> and as a matter of fact were ranked 10th in the league in QB sacks last
> year. Our D-line was not as abysmal as some people seem to think.

I'm only basing it on what I saw...guys moving backwards and in the clutch
very poor run defense. The sacks come from Rex's schemes...the entire
defense is predicated on his ability to scheme. I'm not saying that is a
bad thing, he's good...but it would be great if he had some serious D
linemen. There is no substitute for the right players.

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TOPIC: Irony writ large
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7da0013004a85cdc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 7:42 am
From: Michael


On Aug 8, 9:39 am, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The Squeerlers are complaing the refs are against them.
> I think we can all agree that the Squeelers were gifted with the two most
> referee assisted wins in Super Bowls any of us ever witnessed.
> what a pack of whiners, too funny.

I dont hate a single team in the NFL... Other than the Steelers. How
many teams have gotten robbed, screwed and cheated because of the
NFL's pet brand name and the league bias for their owner ???

The Seahawks got scrweed on national TV
The Cardinals got screwed on national TV

and now I'm getting sick thinking about some of the playoff games the
Steelers "won" on the way to Superbowl games they should not have been
in.

I like the Jets any any team that is playing the Steelers... Or more
to the point... Any team that plays the *officials* that are working
Steeler's games.


==============================================================================
TOPIC: Plax vs Bray
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/490de8365e666739?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 8:09 am
From: Michael


On Aug 6, 7:29 am, Still Roper <mark_edwards_2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> for a 500k savings...we chose Burress...why?  and hes a injury waiting
> go happen...

I'd bet that Edwards screws up more off the field than we know about.
He also wanted too much money. His lenght of time waiting for a
contract speaks volumes about how he over valued his hand. Also...
Edwards is not a "singular must have" talent. Any big WR can do the
job that he did. His down field blocking will be missed, but as a wr,
he is not a daunting loss. IMHO, Mason is a better # 2 than Edwards
much less worry about what Plax can do. Even if Plax craps out
totally, that is not key. Santonio, Mason and Keller along with LT
can get the job done. The new guy J. Kerley is said to be a possible
# 3 too. The offense is up to Green and Sanchez, not Plax. Also hope
that Tom Moor can baby sit little Schotty this year.

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TOPIC: Mason
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/317de772fbbffec4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 8:12 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-BBB224.23361709082011@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <EbOdnZyH9PW_wdzTnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "Papa Carl" <papa.carl@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> We're on the same page on this one. I'm just not sure Plax will behave.
>
> I hope he does behave. If he could lose two years of his life and still
> not learn the importance of following the rules, he is brain dead and
> will not help this team.
>
> h

The stats say they do not learn from a two year loss of freedom. That is
why Vick seems so amazing, apparently he did learn something. I hope
Plaxico has seen the light, not just for the Jets sake but his own. But if
he has it will be the exception, not the rule.

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TOPIC: Jets off season moves... I like it !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7b63fa170c6be1b2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 7:57 am
From: Michael


Seems like many fans dont like the moves the Jets made this off
season. I like them all VERY much.

1. Mason is an upgrade over Cotch. I think a nice upgrade. He is
good enough to be a # 2 if Plax does not arrive.
2. B. Edwards was productive, but he is not a singular "must have"
talent. He also does not seem to be able to stay out of trouble.
Also condier that when he gets a contract, he may go right back to
dropping balls.
3. Plax. So long as he does not get injured, this could be a VERY nice
addition. Small risk, high reward. Again... They were smart to get
Mason if Plax craps out.
4. Brad Smith.... Bye Bye Brad... Special teamers are not worth 4mm.
And take the wild cat with you.
5. Cromartie: Wiffing on Nnamdi was a black eye for Tanny, but they
came through with plan B. As an unintentional plus, Cro has a chip on
his shoulder and is jacked up to outplay Nnamdi. He may just do it.
7. Strickland: Love it. If he stays standing he is an excellent cover
guy.
8. Poole. Love it... great depth and was really coming along in the
Jets syste. Those additions REALLY put the db's in good shape. No
worries AT all in the defensive backfield.
9. Ellis... Ouch !! This one sucks, because Ellis had a lot left in
the tank... BUT... probably not for much longer. This game ends for
everyone. If Wilkerson pans out, Ellis wont be missed and the Jets
save money.

Also want to say... Devito and Pouha are not *journeymen*. Both of
them are bona fied statign qualty dt's. The problem is that neither
of them were true two gappers. That is, I think why we did not see
Pace and BLT get to the qb more often. They had double duty. If
either Wilkerson or K. Ellis is good enough to draw a double team...
watch out... The word is thus far that Wilkerson is going to be
fantastic right from the get go.

IMHO... This is the best defensive roster the Jets have had since Rex
came on board.

The offense is not up to Plax working or not working. It is up to
Green, McKnight and above all, Sanchez. Lets also hope that Tom Moor
has some good advice for Shotty

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TOPIC: With the addition of Ochocinco, the Pats still dont have a single WR
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ffc431ec3cbc96a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 11:02 am
From: MZ


On Aug 2, 10:06 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Jul 29, 1:03 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 9:44 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > 1. Chad Ochocinco: Washed up retread.
> > > 2. Branch: Washed up retread.
>
> > For retreads, they both outperformed Santonio Holmes last year, who
> > you regularly drool over.  You might be lacking objectivity here,
> > Michael.
>
> > > 3. Tate: Has proven nothing.
> > > 4. Welker: System cog. Not a bona fied WR
>
> > Others would claim he's been a top 5 WR in the NFL over the past 4
> > years.  His stats certainly bear this out.
>
> > > 5. Edelman: Wishes he was Welker.
>
> > > Put the Ochocinco addition together with Fat Albert and it appears
> > > that BB has gone off the deep end.  It can work out well from time to
> > > time when you give up a first round pick for additional later picks.
> > > It can also work out well to take on a guy in the twilight of his
> > > career and get additional production out of him for small risk.
> > > BUT... You cant win year in and year out with the habit of thinking
> > > you can put a swarm of budget manpower on an NFL field and expect to
> > > win anything. The past few years have proven that BB can win without
> > > either cheating or at least having a few bona fied stars on the
> > > field.
>
> > The Patriots won a super bowl in '01 for no other reason than by
> > signing "washed up retreads."
>
> > > Nice to see that they are content to hand the division over to the
> > > Jets rather than try to bring in elite players for once.
>
> > Don't the Jets have to actually win the division for a change before
> > you declare them the frontrunners?  The Jets haven't even made any
> > additions yet.  They've just lost players.  The Pats return everyone
> > from last year, plus all the draft picks they've added and now
> > Ochocinco and Haynesworth.
>
> MZ... I not trying to be an ass here or spew fan BS.  I know Welker is
> super productive and the other guys cotribute. The fact that BB won a
> superbowl with recycled guys is exactly what I am trying to get at.
> It can work, but I really think BB has made a habbit of avoiding guyz
> with super skills because they cost $$$ and in his mind, he does not
> need them.  The Jets are not that great of a team.  They should have
> lost Detroit, Cleveland, Texans... Super skilled guys bailed them out
> with individual talents.  That's what I think the Pats are lacking.  A
> second punch that you get from guys like Santonio and Revis.

But some of these "recycled guys" had "super skills". You always say
(or at least imply) that "retreads" are not good players. That
players who do poorly in one stint, or whose skills are apparently on
the decline, never rebound. There are some obvious counterexamples --
namely, Dillon and Moss. But, in '01, when they brought in a slew of
"retreads", many of these guys put in top quality seasons. Otis Smith
is an example in '01 -- amazing season. Bryan Cox also had a really
good year, and so did Roman Phifer. There wasn't a better NT in
football than Ted Washington in '03. Then you have Rodney Harrison,
etc. These guys were all crucial towards winning a championship. So
I think you're underestimating the potential impact of players like
this.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 11:11 am
From: Michael


On Aug 10, 2:02 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 10:06 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 1:03 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 29, 9:44 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > 1. Chad Ochocinco: Washed up retread.
> > > > 2. Branch: Washed up retread.
>
> > > For retreads, they both outperformed Santonio Holmes last year, who
> > > you regularly drool over.  You might be lacking objectivity here,
> > > Michael.
>
> > > > 3. Tate: Has proven nothing.
> > > > 4. Welker: System cog. Not a bona fied WR
>
> > > Others would claim he's been a top 5 WR in the NFL over the past 4
> > > years.  His stats certainly bear this out.
>
> > > > 5. Edelman: Wishes he was Welker.
>
> > > > Put the Ochocinco addition together with Fat Albert and it appears
> > > > that BB has gone off the deep end.  It can work out well from time to
> > > > time when you give up a first round pick for additional later picks.
> > > > It can also work out well to take on a guy in the twilight of his
> > > > career and get additional production out of him for small risk.
> > > > BUT... You cant win year in and year out with the habit of thinking
> > > > you can put a swarm of budget manpower on an NFL field and expect to
> > > > win anything. The past few years have proven that BB can win without
> > > > either cheating or at least having a few bona fied stars on the
> > > > field.
>
> > > The Patriots won a super bowl in '01 for no other reason than by
> > > signing "washed up retreads."
>
> > > > Nice to see that they are content to hand the division over to the
> > > > Jets rather than try to bring in elite players for once.
>
> > > Don't the Jets have to actually win the division for a change before
> > > you declare them the frontrunners?  The Jets haven't even made any
> > > additions yet.  They've just lost players.  The Pats return everyone
> > > from last year, plus all the draft picks they've added and now
> > > Ochocinco and Haynesworth.
>
> > MZ... I not trying to be an ass here or spew fan BS.  I know Welker is
> > super productive and the other guys cotribute. The fact that BB won a
> > superbowl with recycled guys is exactly what I am trying to get at.
> > It can work, but I really think BB has made a habbit of avoiding guyz
> > with super skills because they cost $$$ and in his mind, he does not
> > need them.  The Jets are not that great of a team.  They should have
> > lost Detroit, Cleveland, Texans... Super skilled guys bailed them out
> > with individual talents.  That's what I think the Pats are lacking.  A
> > second punch that you get from guys like Santonio and Revis.
>
> But some of these "recycled guys" had "super skills".  You always say
> (or at least imply) that "retreads" are not good players.  That
> players who do poorly in one stint, or whose skills are apparently on
> the decline, never rebound.  There are some obvious counterexamples --
> namely, Dillon and Moss.  But, in '01, when they brought in a slew of
> "retreads", many of these guys put in top quality seasons.  Otis Smith
> is an example in '01 -- amazing season.  Bryan Cox also had a really
> good year, and so did Roman Phifer.  There wasn't a better NT in
> football than Ted Washington in '03.  Then you have Rodney Harrison,
> etc.  These guys were all crucial towards winning a championship.  So
> I think you're underestimating the potential impact of players like
> this.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Could be, Mark... This is not a hard science. My main point is that
BB migth be sitting high in his ivory tower given some if his choices
with who he signs and who he lets go. Just because you can get
production out of marginal guys, or guys in the twilight of their
career is not a justificatin to ignore elite players that want big $$
$, act out like king $hit and back every last bit of it up on the
field... especially at critical times in critical games... like
santonio. I'll take a new car lot over a second hand car lot any day
of the week.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 5:13 pm
From: eric


On Aug 10, 2:11 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 2:02 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 2, 10:06 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 29, 1:03 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 29, 9:44 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > 1. Chad Ochocinco: Washed up retread.
> > > > > 2. Branch: Washed up retread.
>
> > > > For retreads, they both outperformed Santonio Holmes last year, who
> > > > you regularly drool over.  You might be lacking objectivity here,
> > > > Michael.
>
> > > > > 3. Tate: Has proven nothing.
> > > > > 4. Welker: System cog. Not a bona fied WR
>
> > > > Others would claim he's been a top 5 WR in the NFL over the past 4
> > > > years.  His stats certainly bear this out.
>
> > > > > 5. Edelman: Wishes he was Welker.
>
> > > > > Put the Ochocinco addition together with Fat Albert and it appears
> > > > > that BB has gone off the deep end.  It can work out well from time to
> > > > > time when you give up a first round pick for additional later picks.
> > > > > It can also work out well to take on a guy in the twilight of his
> > > > > career and get additional production out of him for small risk.
> > > > > BUT... You cant win year in and year out with the habit of thinking
> > > > > you can put a swarm of budget manpower on an NFL field and expect to
> > > > > win anything. The past few years have proven that BB can win without
> > > > > either cheating or at least having a few bona fied stars on the
> > > > > field.
>
> > > > The Patriots won a super bowl in '01 for no other reason than by
> > > > signing "washed up retreads."
>
> > > > > Nice to see that they are content to hand the division over to the
> > > > > Jets rather than try to bring in elite players for once.
>
> > > > Don't the Jets have to actually win the division for a change before
> > > > you declare them the frontrunners?  The Jets haven't even made any
> > > > additions yet.  They've just lost players.  The Pats return everyone
> > > > from last year, plus all the draft picks they've added and now
> > > > Ochocinco and Haynesworth.
>
> > > MZ... I not trying to be an ass here or spew fan BS.  I know Welker is
> > > super productive and the other guys cotribute. The fact that BB won a
> > > superbowl with recycled guys is exactly what I am trying to get at.
> > > It can work, but I really think BB has made a habbit of avoiding guyz
> > > with super skills because they cost $$$ and in his mind, he does not
> > > need them.  The Jets are not that great of a team.  They should have
> > > lost Detroit, Cleveland, Texans... Super skilled guys bailed them out
> > > with individual talents.  That's what I think the Pats are lacking.  A
> > > second punch that you get from guys like Santonio and Revis.
>
> > But some of these "recycled guys" had "super skills".  You always say
> > (or at least imply) that "retreads" are not good players.  That
> > players who do poorly in one stint, or whose skills are apparently on
> > the decline, never rebound.  There are some obvious counterexamples --
> > namely, Dillon and Moss.  But, in '01, when they brought in a slew of
> > "retreads", many of these guys put in top quality seasons.  Otis Smith
> > is an example in '01 -- amazing season.  Bryan Cox also had a really
> > good year, and so did Roman Phifer.  There wasn't a better NT in
> > football than Ted Washington in '03.  Then you have Rodney Harrison,
> > etc.  These guys were all crucial towards winning a championship.  So
> > I think you're underestimating the potential impact of players like
> > this.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Could be, Mark... This is not a hard science.  My main point is that
> BB migth be sitting high in his ivory tower given some if his choices
> with who he signs and who he lets go.  Just because you can get
> production out of marginal guys, or guys in the twilight of their
> career is not a justificatin to ignore elite players that want big $$
> $, act out like king $hit and back every last bit of it up on the
> field... especially at critical times in critical games... like
> santonio.  I'll take a new car lot over a second hand car lot any day
> of the week.

The Patriots signed Logan Mankins to a 6 year contract today.

So much for your theory.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 12:08 pm
From: MZ


On Aug 5, 8:43 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> "Hammer" <stuart.feldha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fe749b7e-fc44-47c6-a9b0-01993ec3b655@y16g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> :http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view/20110801re...
> :
> : So we lost:
> :
> : Braylon Edwards
> : Jerricho Cotchery
> : Brad Smith
> :
> : Our #2, #3, and #4 wideouts, and we got an aging Burress who is
> : already injured. How can it make sense to take so many targets away
> : from Mark Sanchez who we already know has no consistency? Who's our #3
> : wideout if Mason doesn't work out?
>
> W H A T  ! ...,   "... if (Derrick) Mason doesn't work out?"
>
> True that Rex isn't the brilliant HC that Jets fans have been making him out
> to be after only one unquestionably hard earned playoff appearance. But
> dude... Rex isn't the only one buzzin' big time if you have any doubts about
> what Derrick Mason  brings to the field each and every game of his career.
> Not one of the ex-Ravens that Rex brought to JetsLife Stadium before him can
> shine his shoes to this day. In fact Derrick Mason is the only ex-Raven that
> Ravens fans would want to have back if that were at all possible.
>
> Derrick is a pure possesion reciever that your own young QB will learn to
> count on if he wants to play a while in this league, just as our own QB
> (Flacco) has for the past three seasons in a row since his rookie arrival in
> B'more. In that time Flacco has taken the Ravens to three consecutive
> playoff appearances with much thanks going to Mr. Derrick Mason from his
> fans in B'more for being a major contributor in that and in Flacco's
> continued developement. So much so in fact that I would not be surprised to
> see Flacco regress for a season while acclimating to an offense without his
> guaranteed abilities. Brandon Stokely and Wes Welker are the only two clutch
> possession receivers of his caliber and that can either match or exceed
> Derrick's career accomplishments. I can't count Heinz Ward in that elite
> group because Ben usually creates the time for Ward to get open. Mason
> single handedly did that for Kyle Boller, Steve McNair and Joe Flacco. He'll
> do it for Sanchez as well.
>
> Now Derrick comes to the Jets whom he believes are his next best option as
> the vessel toward attaining his SB ring. Without it Derrick will not become
> an inductee into the NFL - Hall Of Fame. When he hangs 'em up Derrick
> deserves to be there and I personally don't care with which team he can
> accomplish that with now that he is no longer a Raven. So if that comes via
> the NY Jets this season, ...next season, or the next then I'll be pulling
> for the Jets even if they go up against my Ravens in a Divisional playoff
> game. To that end I have no hesitation in saying... GO JETS !
> --
>      ~Drew
>
>            "Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
>             Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> : Add that to the losses of other Jets to retirement, the continued
> : aging of the rest of the Jets (including people like Tomlinson), and
> : how can we be better than last year? Aside from draft choices, who
> : have we acquired in free agency?

I like Mason a lot, but he seems to be a bit redundant in an offense
that already has Cotchery and a good pass-catching TE.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: First official depth chart as posted on www.newyorkjets.com
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4d5674a071107316?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 2:39 pm
From: graybeard


Initial impressions: OL depth - be afraid, be very afraid.

(Position depth listed on website as First, Second, Third, Other)

Offense
------------
WR Plaxico Burress, Jeremy Kerley, Logan Payne, Michael Campbell,
Courtney Smith
LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Dennis Landolt, Curtis Duron
LG Matt Slauson, Chris Stewart, Taylor Boggs
C Nick Mangold, Robby Felix, Zane Taylor
RG Brandon Moore, Robert Turner, Matt Kroul
RT Wayne Hunter, Vladimir Ducasse, Pete Clifford
TE Dustin Keller, Matthew Mulligan, Jeff Cumberland, Josh Baker
WR Santonio Holmes, Derrick Mason, Patrick Turner, Scotty McKnight,
Dan DePalma
QB Mark Sanchez, Mark Brunell, Greg McElroy, Drew Willy
FB John Conner, Brian Toal
RB Shonn Greene, LaDainian Tomlinson, Joe McKnight, Bilal Powell,
Chris Jennings

Defense
-------------
DE Muhammad Wilkerson, Ropati Pitoitua, Jarron Gilbert
NT Sione Pouha, Kenrick Ellis, Martin Tevaseu
DT Mike DeVito, Marcus Dixon, Lorenzo Washington, Carlton Powell
OLB Bryan Thomas, Jamaal Westerman, Stafford Gatling
WLB Bart Scott, Josh Mauga, Brashton Satele, David Herron
MLB David Harris, Nick Bellore, Joey LaRocque, Matthias Berning
OLB Calvin Pace, Garrett McIntyre, Eddie Jones, Brandon Long
CB Darrelle Revis, Kyle Wilson, Donald Strickland, Richard Taylor
CB Antonio Cromartie, Marquice Cole, Julian Posey, Ellis Lankster
S Eric Smith, Brodney Pool, Emanuel Cook, Davon Morgan
S Jim Leonhard, Dwight Lowery, Byron Landor, DaJuan Morgan

Special Teams
----------------------
K Nick Folk, Nick Novak
P T.J. Conley, Chris Bryan
H T.J. Conley, Chris Bryan
PR Jeremy Kerley, Kyle Wilson, Joe McKnight
KR Jeremy Kerley, Kyle Wilson, Antonio Cromartie, Joe McKnight
LS Tanner Purdum, Wilson Raynor, Matthew Mulligan

--
graybeard


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 3:08 pm
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> Initial impressions: OL depth - be afraid, be very afraid.
>
> (Position depth listed on website as First, Second, Third, Other)
>
> Offense
> ------------
> WR  Plaxico Burress,  Jeremy Kerley,  Logan Payne,  Michael Campbell,
> Courtney Smith
> LT  D'Brickashaw Ferguson,  Dennis Landolt,  Curtis Duron
> LG  Matt Slauson,  Chris Stewart,  Taylor Boggs
> C  Nick Mangold,  Robby Felix,  Zane Taylor
> RG  Brandon Moore,  Robert Turner,  Matt Kroul
> RT  Wayne Hunter,  Vladimir Ducasse,  Pete Clifford
> TE  Dustin Keller,  Matthew Mulligan,  Jeff Cumberland,  Josh Baker
> WR  Santonio Holmes,  Derrick Mason,  Patrick Turner,  Scotty McKnight,
> Dan DePalma
> QB  Mark Sanchez,  Mark Brunell,  Greg McElroy,  Drew Willy
> FB  John Conner,  Brian Toal
> RB  Shonn Greene,  LaDainian Tomlinson,  Joe McKnight,  Bilal Powell,
> Chris Jennings
>
> Defense
> -------------
> DE  Muhammad Wilkerson,  Ropati Pitoitua,  Jarron Gilbert
> NT  Sione Pouha,  Kenrick Ellis,  Martin Tevaseu
> DT  Mike DeVito,  Marcus Dixon,  Lorenzo Washington,  Carlton Powell
> OLB  Bryan Thomas,  Jamaal Westerman,  Stafford Gatling
> WLB  Bart Scott,  Josh Mauga,  Brashton Satele,  David Herron
> MLB  David Harris,  Nick Bellore,  Joey LaRocque,  Matthias Berning
> OLB  Calvin Pace,  Garrett McIntyre,  Eddie Jones,  Brandon Long
> CB  Darrelle Revis,  Kyle Wilson,  Donald Strickland,  Richard Taylor
> CB  Antonio Cromartie,  Marquice Cole,  Julian Posey,  Ellis Lankster
> S  Eric Smith,  Brodney Pool,  Emanuel Cook,  Davon Morgan
> S  Jim Leonhard,  Dwight Lowery,  Byron Landor,  DaJuan Morgan
>
> Special Teams
> ----------------------
> K  Nick Folk,  Nick Novak
> P  T.J. Conley,  Chris Bryan
> H  T.J. Conley,  Chris Bryan
> PR  Jeremy Kerley,  Kyle Wilson,  Joe McKnight
> KR  Jeremy Kerley,  Kyle Wilson,  Antonio Cromartie,  Joe McKnight
> LS  Tanner Purdum,  Wilson Raynor,  Matthew Mulligan
>
> --
> graybeard

I hate to say it but I like our depth better than last year.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 3:38 pm
From: graybeard


On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:08:12 -0700 (PDT), John C TX
<johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:

>I hate to say it but I like our depth better than last year.

At some positions we look fine, but Hunter, who was our best sub on the
OL last year, is now starting, and Moore is still hurting. I don't feel
too great about trusting Sanchez' health and well-being to a bunch of
guys whose names I don't even recognize.
--
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